# Hidden Bigfoot Archives Reveal Southwest Secrets in New Mexico & Oklahoma | Archives

An episode of [Bigfoot Society](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1453429066), 10 Aug 2026, 2 h 01 min.

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Step back into the Bigfoot Society archives with two unforgettable interviews that first aired on October 2 and October 3, 2024 as Episodes 545 and 546. Veteran researcher, actor, and investigator Jesus Payan shares decades of Bigfoot research spanning New Mexico, Oklahoma, and the American Southwest. From reports passed along by Forest Service employees and law enforcement to military sightings near White Sands Missile Range, strange encounters on Native lands, and firsthand experiences deep in the mountains, this conversation explores some of the most compelling stories from a lifetime spent pursuing the unknown. Then, Oklahoma witness Mary takes us into the forests surrounding Grand Lake of the Cherokees, where generations of her family quietly accepted Sasquatch as part of everyday life. She recounts childhood sightings, mysterious knocks and whoops, oversized footprints, strange nests, intimidating encounters near homes, and decades of activity stretching across Delaware County, Mayes County, the Illinois River, and beyond. These archive conversations capture the eyewitness accounts that helped shape Bigfoot Society into what it is today. Whether you're hearing them for the first time or revisiting these classic interviews, you'll discover why these stories continue to resonate with listeners years later. Resources: Breaking Discoveries Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakingDicoveries Contact Jesus: breakingbadsgonzo420@gmail.com 📖 Follow Jeremiah's cancer health updates here: https://www.caringbridge.org/site/569ef3d3-68be-11f1-8790-97fdfd2bbc64 🗣️ Share Your Story Had a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience? Send it to bigfootsociety@gmail.com – your story might be featured on the show! 🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube 🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube 💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts! 📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed) 👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share 🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist 🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters 💥 Support the Show & Get Perks ✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member ✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here 📱 Let’s Connect • Instagram: @bigfootsociety • Twitter: @bigfoot_society • TikTok: @bigfoot.society 🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links) These help support the show at no extra cost to you: • Beam (Better Sleep): Try Beam • Wildgrain (Better Bread): Join Here • Seed (Probiotics): Get Seed • Medi-Share (Healthcare): Learn More • LMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNT • Organic and non-GMO groceries delivered for less http://thrv.me/uarEhS 🎙️ Podcasting Tools: • Repurpose.io: Try It • Descript: Sign Up • Streamyard: Start Recording • Riverside.fm: Try Riverside 🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon ☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here 🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy 📬 Mailing Address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: You're listening to Bigft Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
[0:03] Speaker 1: this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
[0:05] Speaker 1: you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
[0:08] Speaker 1: something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
[0:12] Speaker 1: quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
[0:16] Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
[0:20] Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
[0:24] Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
[0:27] Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
[0:30] Speaker 1: So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers
[0:33] Speaker 1: as he continues his fight against cancer. For more updates
[0:37] Speaker 1: about his medical journey, please go to the caring Bridge
[0:40] Speaker 1: link in the show notes. Thank you all right, Bigfoot Society,
[0:44] Speaker 1: You've got the privilege of talking to mister Jesus Paian today.
[0:48] Speaker 1: He is known for a variety of things. He's been
[0:52] Speaker 1: a Hollywood actor, stuntman, and encrypted UFO researcher for over
[0:55] Speaker 1: thirty years. Jesus, how are we doing tonight? That's awesome.
[1:01] Speaker 1: Been looking forward to talking to you for quite a while,
[1:04] Speaker 1: my friend. Thank you for coming on the show. I've
[1:06] Speaker 1: heard that you've been into a lot of interesting the
[1:10] Speaker 1: things regarding your bigfoot research. But let's let's start right
[1:15] Speaker 1: from the beginning. What was it that first got you
[1:17] Speaker 1: into researching sasquatch or Bigfoot.
[1:22] Speaker 2: Well, when I first started out, I was about four
[1:25] Speaker 2: years old and my mom had a book called Arthur
[1:28] Speaker 2: She's It was Arthur she Clark's book, My Serious World,
[1:31] Speaker 2: and that was like the first time I saw anything
[1:34] Speaker 2: with Bigfoot related in there. And that's all the Luckiness Monster.
[1:38] Speaker 2: I was living in England with my parents and we
[1:41] Speaker 2: went to the Luckiness in Scotland and hunted mess you
[1:44] Speaker 2: for two weeks on the rock. And yeah, so it
[1:47] Speaker 2: started early from me. And also it was like I
[1:51] Speaker 2: was seeing UFOs already, you know, by that time, it's
[1:54] Speaker 2: barely between four and five. And when I was seeing
[1:58] Speaker 2: my first UFOs that I can remember about a little
[2:01] Speaker 2: over hours drive for me was the Randallstrom Forest incident.
[2:07] Speaker 2: I have you heard of that. It's like England's rather.
[2:10] Speaker 1: Well exactly, there was a lot going on.
[2:13] Speaker 2: And then when I came to the States anytime, and
[2:16] Speaker 2: you know, an elemental that we had have those scholastic
[2:19] Speaker 2: little book sales, anything that was you know, cryptid related
[2:23] Speaker 2: or ufolderything. I always would, you know, try to get
[2:27] Speaker 2: and then it didn't. I would say, it didn't become
[2:29] Speaker 2: actual research until after two thousand. Okay, so after two thousand,
[2:37] Speaker 2: that's when I first got to experience it physically by
[2:43] Speaker 2: being chased. Me and my family were chased by what
[2:46] Speaker 2: I believe was an adolescent sasquatch. Well for us, it
[2:50] Speaker 2: looks like a six foot tall, you know, full grown,
[2:53] Speaker 2: you know, scary thing. But six foot tall sasquatch is
[2:56] Speaker 2: pretty short for especially a male you know that world.
[3:00] Speaker 2: But yeah, that was my first taste of the unknown,
[3:05] Speaker 2: officially as in crypto wives. So my folks we moved
[3:10] Speaker 2: to Ridolso, New Mexico. My mom got a job at
[3:13] Speaker 2: the forest apartment, and my sensor got a job at
[3:16] Speaker 2: the local police department, and we moved into a cabin there.
[3:21] Speaker 2: And on the first couple of days we were there,
[3:23] Speaker 2: I got to hear a bigfoot screen called yield, a long,
[3:28] Speaker 2: high pitch, almost like if you if you were going
[3:32] Speaker 2: really fast down the road and you just like at
[3:35] Speaker 2: least ninety there was no anything to hit, and you
[3:38] Speaker 2: just sland on your brakes and just held onto your
[3:40] Speaker 2: backs until you stopped. It's a real long that's something
[3:46] Speaker 2: I could describe something, something's skiddy, but it was just
[3:49] Speaker 2: way too long. And we're in the mountains and the
[3:50] Speaker 2: little straight roads to do that, everything in the forest
[3:55] Speaker 2: shut up. My mom was right there, my ball was
[3:56] Speaker 2: right there, and my central was right there, and it
[3:59] Speaker 2: just got super dupery, you know. I was like, what
[4:01] Speaker 2: the heck was I you know, and then it did
[4:03] Speaker 2: it again, and my mom jodged. So maybe it's bigfoot
[4:08] Speaker 2: and was not. I think it. I think it is.
[4:11] Speaker 2: And I ran inside, jumped on the computer and looked
[4:13] Speaker 2: up bigfoot audio calls, you know, recordings of sasquatch, and
[4:18] Speaker 2: I found one that matched exactly what we just heard.
[4:21] Speaker 2: And then that was when it got really I guess addictive.
[4:26] Speaker 2: And my mom working with the Force apartment, they would
[4:29] Speaker 2: get reports from campers and some of their their control
[4:33] Speaker 2: guys and rangers, but they couldn't do the investigating because
[4:38] Speaker 2: it's not supposed to exist. But there are allowed to
[4:40] Speaker 2: tell me about it. You know. They didn't say who reported,
[4:43] Speaker 2: but they tell me the area was reported, and my
[4:45] Speaker 2: sister would also get you know, big The police department
[4:48] Speaker 2: would get Bigfoot reports and we're gonna have to go
[4:51] Speaker 2: check them out because it's not supposed to exist. So
[4:54] Speaker 2: I would end up burning all the different areas that
[4:56] Speaker 2: they were at and start That's when I really started
[4:59] Speaker 2: doing my church, i'd say two thousand three ish, or
[5:04] Speaker 2: what i'd call research versus just thinking it's real cool
[5:07] Speaker 2: and trying to meet up on anything that I could find,
[5:10] Speaker 2: because back then, YouTube wasn't what YouTube is today. The
[5:14] Speaker 2: Internet wasn't really better what it is today. And you
[5:17] Speaker 2: know that's your uber rich in that that time, you know,
[5:21] Speaker 2: in two thousand and three, So I'd say that's when
[5:24] Speaker 2: I officially started doing actual research into it.
[5:28] Speaker 1: That is absolutely fascinating. How what was your age at
[5:31] Speaker 1: that time period in two thousand and three?
[5:34] Speaker 2: In two thousand and three, I was thirty three.
[5:41] Speaker 1: Okay, that's cool. So you're thirty three, Your mom was
[5:44] Speaker 1: getting you the reports from the forestry department, your sister
[5:47] Speaker 1: is giving you other stuff from the police department. Man,
[5:50] Speaker 1: that sounds like an absolute dream and you're living your
[5:54] Speaker 1: your real life X files out there, but all.
[5:57] Speaker 2: Oh times three.
[5:59] Speaker 1: Oh thank goodness. What was the craziest thing that you
[6:02] Speaker 1: saw coming through from your mom or your sister, I
[6:07] Speaker 1: would say.
[6:08] Speaker 2: A rancher called and he reported that his cattle were
[6:13] Speaker 2: freaking out. His dog started freaking out, so he ran
[6:15] Speaker 2: out to the field and he saw a sasquatch trying
[6:20] Speaker 2: to steal a cow and it was grabbing it from behind.
[6:23] Speaker 2: I'm basically you saw it look kind of its kind
[6:25] Speaker 2: of suspect or sus the way it was grabbing it.
[6:28] Speaker 2: But it was just trying to, I guess, carry it off.
[6:32] Speaker 2: But I grabbed it from behind like it was gonna
[6:34] Speaker 2: do a heimlicnumber to the cow, and the cow was struggling,
[6:38] Speaker 2: and there was footprints left in the mud where the
[6:41] Speaker 2: cow was moving forward a while the sasquatch is heels
[6:45] Speaker 2: were digging in. And at the time, you know, I
[6:47] Speaker 2: hadn't done anything casting. I didn't have any casting stuff either,
[6:51] Speaker 2: so I didn't even think about it. I was just like,
[6:52] Speaker 2: oh wow, because I found out where it was, I
[6:55] Speaker 2: went to go talk to the guy, and yeah, there
[6:57] Speaker 2: was tracks and everything still. So to me, that one
[6:59] Speaker 2: was the weirdness from my mom's from the forest apartment
[7:03] Speaker 2: unofficially allegedly, and then from my sisters the police department
[7:08] Speaker 2: reade out some downs. She got a phone call from
[7:12] Speaker 2: a at taxing woman from the reservation, and the lady
[7:16] Speaker 2: was you know, there was other phone calls to name
[7:18] Speaker 2: I want too because she was standing in the middle
[7:19] Speaker 2: of the street and wouldn't move. It said, she wouldn't
[7:22] Speaker 2: leave that spot until police came and picked her up
[7:25] Speaker 2: because she was so scared. And what happened was this
[7:28] Speaker 2: is in the middle of the daytime, early afternoon. She
[7:32] Speaker 2: was walking by the Walgreens and was walked the street
[7:36] Speaker 2: that goes kind of behind it and downward, you know,
[7:38] Speaker 2: down to the canyon, and there was two sasquatch digging
[7:43] Speaker 2: through the trash cans the big old you know, there's
[7:46] Speaker 2: big trash cans of the flippy lids the sores have
[7:49] Speaker 2: and we had just recently had major fires, so a
[7:53] Speaker 2: lot of the sasquatch and other animals were coming into
[7:56] Speaker 2: town for you, looking for food because everything was burnt.
[8:00] Speaker 2: So she got so freaked out and when they when
[8:02] Speaker 2: she you know, she she's screamed. They looked up and
[8:06] Speaker 2: walked right back into you know, towards the canyon in
[8:08] Speaker 2: the forest, and that's when she started freaking out and people, yeah,
[8:12] Speaker 2: she was all the cops and then when my sister
[8:15] Speaker 2: got there, she told her the same thing and told
[8:18] Speaker 2: her that she's not moving from that spot unless she
[8:21] Speaker 2: my sister gave her a ride anywhere. But there she
[8:24] Speaker 2: wasn't to go anywhere explicitly just I don't want to
[8:28] Speaker 2: be anywhere near this spot. Please just take me somewhere else,
[8:31] Speaker 2: you know. So I thought that was out of the two,
[8:35] Speaker 2: those are the most interesting from from her mom and
[8:38] Speaker 2: my sister. Now, a very even more interesting occasion happened
[8:43] Speaker 2: in the same area and Mescalero Apatri. I was on
[8:47] Speaker 2: the reservation hanging out with you know, some friends were
[8:50] Speaker 2: having a little get together, and this one lady comes
[8:53] Speaker 2: up to me and she's hey, they say that you're
[8:55] Speaker 2: into the whole you know, bigfoot sasquatch thing, the Harry boys,
[8:59] Speaker 2: and like, yeah, yeah, I kind of hand. She was, well,
[9:02] Speaker 2: my neighbor. She was a single mom. She's the story
[9:05] Speaker 2: she told me. Her neighbor, just a single mom with
[9:08] Speaker 2: two kids. They were in their cabin and a female
[9:12] Speaker 2: bigfoot in her they believe, with the male child, which
[9:17] Speaker 2: was like fighting tall just you know, how to use
[9:19] Speaker 2: the handle, and walked in her cabin and her and
[9:23] Speaker 2: the kids ran into the room, locked the door, and
[9:27] Speaker 2: the mother sasquatch and the child Jashquatched, the juvenile rummaged
[9:31] Speaker 2: through her kitchen in the fridge and we're eating stuff
[9:33] Speaker 2: and just making a mess. And after about thirty minutes
[9:37] Speaker 2: they had they finally had left and they came out
[9:40] Speaker 2: of the room and the kitchen was all messed up,
[9:44] Speaker 2: and she said, and can you believe it, they left
[9:46] Speaker 2: the door open. Oh the you know, the cold air
[9:48] Speaker 2: got out. But she was more mad at their conditioning situation.
[9:53] Speaker 2: Then there's two freaking sps squatch in your house.
[9:57] Speaker 1: That's that's that checks out, though, you know it's funny. Wow,
[10:00] Speaker 1: well it sounds like there's quite a bit of activity
[10:03] Speaker 1: in that area.
[10:05] Speaker 2: Oh yeah. From all through all my research that I
[10:07] Speaker 2: figured out, I've been like kind of following their trail, because,
[10:11] Speaker 2: like I said, after two thousand and three later, I
[10:13] Speaker 2: ended up becoming a law enforcement investigator Boughtyguard Pen detention
[10:20] Speaker 2: Federal detention officer and worked as a you know, a
[10:23] Speaker 2: hearing officer, And so I was able to now and
[10:27] Speaker 2: like really improve my investigative skills and tracking skills, and
[10:31] Speaker 2: took every opportunity that my mom's the Ports Department would
[10:34] Speaker 2: give you know, classes, any type you know of anything
[10:37] Speaker 2: to do with animals and tracks and you know the
[10:39] Speaker 2: local fauna. Because of that, I was able to start
[10:42] Speaker 2: really putting together where they travel and how far they travel.
[10:46] Speaker 2: And I didn't realize that sasquatch do go through deserts
[10:50] Speaker 2: and they're able to run one hundred miles and not
[10:54] Speaker 2: a problem for them to just go and they'll travel
[10:58] Speaker 2: all the way to a different mountain range here, because
[11:02] Speaker 2: there was about sixty miles in between our mountain ranges
[11:05] Speaker 2: and White Tins Missile Range, the Halmon Air Force Base
[11:09] Speaker 2: that leads all the way to a Passo, Texas and
[11:11] Speaker 2: what is Mexico. And I followed the trail because there
[11:15] Speaker 2: were reports from the military guys doing their patrol at
[11:19] Speaker 2: the missile range and they report seeing sasquatch out there
[11:23] Speaker 2: at night, and one of them reported, you know, seeing
[11:26] Speaker 2: one running with their hum V. They're driving the full
[11:30] Speaker 2: full speed, you know, I think it was like forty
[11:32] Speaker 2: five or fifty five or something, and it was keeping up,
[11:35] Speaker 2: it was going all fours just running with them. And
[11:38] Speaker 2: then you go farther down the mountain range, which I
[11:41] Speaker 2: believe the Oregon Mountains. Eventually they'll get to the.
[11:44] Speaker 3: Border patrol area where the where the the border is,
[11:48] Speaker 3: and they have reports from the Border Club themselves at
[11:52] Speaker 3: nine ten using their fleer, you know, so you can
[11:54] Speaker 3: see the heat signature, and they would occasionally.
[11:57] Speaker 2: See a sasquatch squad it inside a big bush, waiting
[12:01] Speaker 2: for legal immigrants. And there's been bodies found out there,
[12:07] Speaker 2: you know, dismembered, but they say it's cartel. We don't know.
[12:10] Speaker 2: But I think it's really interesting that in that same
[12:12] Speaker 2: area there's hills, there, mountains, smaller mountains that have tons
[12:16] Speaker 2: of old mines, okay, old silver mines and Ochurber's mines.
[12:21] Speaker 2: And the local urban legend for a long time in
[12:25] Speaker 2: that area was that there's a witch that there's in
[12:28] Speaker 2: those those caves and if you go up there, she'll
[12:31] Speaker 2: she'll catch you and eat you. And the description of
[12:34] Speaker 2: the witch is about an eight foot tall, hairy covered monster.
[12:39] Speaker 1: Mm. Wow, yeah, I want to verify. I want to
[12:48] Speaker 1: I guess just make sure I heard it right. Something
[12:50] Speaker 1: you said a minute ago. So you're saying that there
[12:53] Speaker 1: are actual reports you've taken from Border patrol where Sasquatch
[12:58] Speaker 1: is pretty much just dispatching or believed to dispatch illegal
[13:02] Speaker 1: immigrants as they cross the border.
[13:06] Speaker 2: A passle. My family I have. My uncle's was one
[13:11] Speaker 2: of a sheriff you know, Pasto, Texas. And my other
[13:14] Speaker 2: uncle is a police officer and his son is a
[13:17] Speaker 2: police officer. He's a detective there at the department now.
[13:20] Speaker 2: And one of my other uncles was the border patrol.
[13:23] Speaker 2: So I got to hear from you know them. And
[13:25] Speaker 2: there's actually a video on YouTube with a Border patrol
[13:29] Speaker 2: agent telling the same story. It's on YouTube, like he's
[13:33] Speaker 2: in uniform and everything. He's talking about them seeing big yeah,
[13:37] Speaker 2: big poots out there.
[13:38] Speaker 1: You know, that's absolutely fascinating. Do you get a lot
[13:42] Speaker 1: of reports from that hollom And Air Force Base and
[13:44] Speaker 1: the White Sands area?
[13:48] Speaker 2: Not really too like bunches. The base has a lot
[13:52] Speaker 2: of wear crap going on because of the misshole range,
[13:54] Speaker 2: Like do you remember that movie or hero of the
[13:57] Speaker 2: movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Sure that happened
[14:01] Speaker 2: here on that that missile age that it was based
[14:05] Speaker 2: on that here. So there's there's more UFO reports here
[14:10] Speaker 2: in that area of the of the base than Sasquatch.
[14:14] Speaker 2: But they have been, you know, multiple reports of those
[14:19] Speaker 2: weird things being found out there. I think it's a
[14:23] Speaker 2: big Sasquatch files or big Foot files with Linn. Do
[14:27] Speaker 2: you know her name? Lynn? Her name, yeah, Yeah. She
[14:30] Speaker 2: used to have the playlists of different reports and one
[14:33] Speaker 2: of was like the reports from you know wild Man
[14:36] Speaker 2: from the eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundred reports, and then
[14:38] Speaker 2: she had a section where it was military reports and
[14:43] Speaker 2: in her in one of those videos, she also talks
[14:47] Speaker 2: about Holloman Air Force Base, talking about, you know, some
[14:51] Speaker 2: of the reports that have been turned in from there.
[14:54] Speaker 2: So I would say the more the most reports out
[14:59] Speaker 2: here is normally UFOs and closer to the reservation, it's
[15:05] Speaker 2: more common to hear about the Bigfoot situation. It's occasional
[15:09] Speaker 2: in Ridoso, which is everything from where I'm sitting right
[15:13] Speaker 2: now in this moment. Everything I'm talking about is pretty
[15:16] Speaker 2: much within an hour at most. Well, I do the
[15:20] Speaker 2: majority of my research, which I do it everywhere now,
[15:23] Speaker 2: but the majority of my research I live at the
[15:26] Speaker 2: base of the mountain here and it's in Cloud Crop,
[15:28] Speaker 2: New Mexico, and it's about fifteen to twenty minute drive
[15:32] Speaker 2: to my location, so it's a right right here. And yeah,
[15:36] Speaker 2: it's speaking if people are coming out more and more
[15:39] Speaker 2: willing to talk about this because it's become mainstream, you know,
[15:42] Speaker 2: the sasquatch deal, because of the Internet. But yeah, it's trip.
[15:48] Speaker 1: It really, it really is. It's I mean, I've only
[15:51] Speaker 1: been in this for about five years, and I can
[15:53] Speaker 1: even see a difference over the last five years. It
[15:56] Speaker 1: just continues to become more and more mainstream. The focus
[16:01] Speaker 1: of the interview is definitely going to be on Bigfoot,
[16:03] Speaker 1: but I am going to ask a question just because
[16:05] Speaker 1: if I don't, my listeners would be like, why didn't
[16:08] Speaker 1: you ask a question? So, but we'll twist it. You see.
[16:12] Speaker 1: So you're you're greatly known for playing a role in
[16:16] Speaker 1: the show Breaking Bad correct, Yes, yes, sir, so during
[16:23] Speaker 1: the filming of that show, did the topic of Bigfoot
[16:26] Speaker 1: ever come up? Yes, out of the stories you can share.
[16:33] Speaker 2: Well, the when you're in between scenes, sometimes there's an
[16:39] Speaker 2: hour in between or or less or more depending on
[16:43] Speaker 2: how technical the scene is, and they have to reset
[16:45] Speaker 2: you know, everything explosions or gunshots or whatever. So I
[16:50] Speaker 2: would always be bored as hell and I'm curious and
[16:54] Speaker 2: I'd go, you know, talk to the other you know,
[16:55] Speaker 2: actors and the game man believe in Bigfoot, you know
[16:59] Speaker 2: what I mean. And they'd be like, no, do you
[17:03] Speaker 2: and I'm like and then I would tell him, you know,
[17:06] Speaker 2: experiences that I've had. So the one person that showed
[17:12] Speaker 2: the most interest in it was R. J. Mittie. He
[17:16] Speaker 2: plays Walt Junior. I'm breaking bad and yeah, I ended
[17:21] Speaker 2: up Me and him ended up being roommates and living
[17:23] Speaker 2: in La together. So she was the most interesting, you
[17:27] Speaker 2: know in Bigfoot, and I wanted to hear everything I
[17:29] Speaker 2: had to talk about it and wanted to plan a hunt,
[17:33] Speaker 2: and then his mom said no, that that would not
[17:36] Speaker 2: be good for his career. And then yeah, I got
[17:41] Speaker 2: offered two different TV shows. Do you remember the TV
[17:44] Speaker 2: show Sons of Anarchy? Sure, yep, yeah, okay. There was
[17:48] Speaker 2: a girl and an actress named Kristin Renton. She was
[17:52] Speaker 2: the two main characters. The are brothers and one was
[17:55] Speaker 2: named Toby and he had like a long beard. His
[17:58] Speaker 2: wife on the show, girlfriend were pretty cool. They were
[18:01] Speaker 2: going to do a big foot hunting show with me
[18:04] Speaker 2: and her because it became so they heard so much
[18:07] Speaker 2: about you know, me and being connected with that stuff,
[18:10] Speaker 2: and they thought to me, but it didn't work out.
[18:14] Speaker 2: She ended up doing some other project. And that never happened.
[18:18] Speaker 2: Then I got offered another show that I was going
[18:22] Speaker 2: to be doing it with Megan Fox and me, and
[18:25] Speaker 2: it was gonna be the US doing investigations around the
[18:29] Speaker 2: world of all the weird stuff, you know, not just
[18:32] Speaker 2: big Foot, not just pupil, not just go she not
[18:34] Speaker 2: even alive, bit of everything and where it was all
[18:38] Speaker 2: ready to go. And then Victoria's Secret offered her, Oh,
[18:44] Speaker 2: I was like quarter million dollars to go do a
[18:48] Speaker 2: runway tour with them or something, and they paid price
[18:54] Speaker 2: as much as that they were offering her to do
[18:56] Speaker 2: the show. So she went with the Victoria's Secret tea
[18:58] Speaker 2: and then met her new husband that you know today
[19:00] Speaker 2: machine Bene Kelly Kelly.
[19:02] Speaker 1: What could have been? That would have been a very
[19:04] Speaker 1: interesting show, And I mean, who knows, you may even
[19:07] Speaker 1: get something offered in the future.
[19:09] Speaker 2: I mean right, yeah, well I had just got married,
[19:15] Speaker 2: so that didn't work out too well. My wife was
[19:18] Speaker 2: like no, no, she was like no other come on,
[19:27] Speaker 2: you know no. So yeah, it was like the producers
[19:30] Speaker 2: wuldn't mean in the Christien from the sense of anarchy
[19:32] Speaker 2: to spend two weeks in the forest, no cameras, no
[19:36] Speaker 2: nobody else just mean to her, and they wanted me
[19:38] Speaker 2: to teach her for two weeks every single thing possibly
[19:42] Speaker 2: I knew about hunting and tell squad you know, so
[19:44] Speaker 2: for the show, and that was just did knock out
[19:49] Speaker 2: you know.
[19:50] Speaker 1: No, no, that that would have not made it better.
[19:54] Speaker 2: I'm a professor, I'm a professional. I mean, I'm not
[19:56] Speaker 2: I'm not a dog, and I think, man, I don't
[20:00] Speaker 2: blame any women that would be mentioned, but doing that,
[20:05] Speaker 2: they'd be like, no, sorrybody, you know.
[20:07] Speaker 1: If that had happened that two week period, what kind
[20:10] Speaker 1: of things would have you had brought up during that time?
[20:16] Speaker 2: Well, first thing I would show her is how to
[20:19] Speaker 2: recognize an area that has sasquatch in it more than likely.
[20:24] Speaker 2: That's how I try. I don't just go to random
[20:27] Speaker 2: spots first, of course, I'll i'll, you know, look up
[20:30] Speaker 2: the areas where there's in reports. But I only go
[20:33] Speaker 2: in certain areas that I see the telltale signs of sasquatch,
[20:37] Speaker 2: which is their feelings there, their wooden hieroglyphs. You know
[20:42] Speaker 2: pretty much that they're used to talk to each other.
[20:45] Speaker 2: They're not for us humans to know. We're not supposed
[20:48] Speaker 2: to know, you know, exactly what's going on with it?
[20:51] Speaker 2: So you know, that would be the first thing to
[20:53] Speaker 2: show that if you see these specific things like is
[20:56] Speaker 2: that a tree lane? The giant x is trees that
[20:59] Speaker 2: are sticking the ground upside down, things that humans can't
[21:03] Speaker 2: do without a major tractor or say a crane. And
[21:08] Speaker 2: if you know you're like, okay, well somebody came in
[21:11] Speaker 2: here with a tractor or a crane, they could have
[21:13] Speaker 2: moved these things. Then like you know, I would tell her, Okay,
[21:16] Speaker 2: if that's the case, then where did it have to
[21:22] Speaker 2: go through to get to that spot? And if those
[21:24] Speaker 2: trees are knocked down for it to go through there,
[21:27] Speaker 2: then probably wasn't one of those things. Anything that you
[21:31] Speaker 2: see that's odd in the forest, you got to ask
[21:33] Speaker 2: yourself first can a human do it? And if a
[21:38] Speaker 2: human could possibly pull it off, then you got to
[21:40] Speaker 2: ask yourself why, why would they do that? And how
[21:44] Speaker 2: far are you into the mountains? Like would somebody go, Man,
[21:49] Speaker 2: it would be so funny. I'm gonna make a wood
[21:51] Speaker 2: structure and hopefully in the next like ten years, somebody
[21:54] Speaker 2: accidentally walk on to it and it gets up big.
[21:56] Speaker 2: But you know, it's like, okay, if you ever lifted wood.
[22:01] Speaker 2: If you're out there or done any wood chopping, a
[22:05] Speaker 2: log that's long, it's longer than four feet and an
[22:08] Speaker 2: inches thick, they get pretty heavy, you know. So when
[22:12] Speaker 2: you're dealing with giant teepees forty fifty foot teepees and
[22:18] Speaker 2: these logs, you go there and you got to look
[22:20] Speaker 2: and see, did this just fall over? Is it snowfall?
[22:24] Speaker 2: You know? Is it a dying tree? Is it a
[22:26] Speaker 2: disease tree? If the root did not come out of
[22:32] Speaker 2: where it's at, it was brought there. And if it
[22:36] Speaker 2: was brought there, could a human have done it? And
[22:38] Speaker 2: then a human couldn't have done it, which animal on
[22:41] Speaker 2: that force could have done it? If you can't figure
[22:43] Speaker 2: out all the noose species in that force that possibly,
[22:47] Speaker 2: somehow strangely could pull that off, which usually isn't the case,
[22:51] Speaker 2: then you then you fall into it might have been
[22:54] Speaker 2: a bigfoot. Does it fall into the normal quote unquote
[22:58] Speaker 2: normal huge structures situations that are commonly found in bigfoot areas.
[23:03] Speaker 2: Then you can say, hey, I think it's a bigfoot.
[23:06] Speaker 2: And then from there that's when you go deeper into
[23:08] Speaker 2: looking for tracks for you know, seats where they'll sit,
[23:14] Speaker 2: you know, and eat ups from the pine cones and
[23:18] Speaker 2: watching certain areas, stuff like that, little things like that
[23:22] Speaker 2: to look out for and to always I would tell
[23:25] Speaker 2: her not to throw out the baby with the backwater,
[23:29] Speaker 2: because a lot of bigfoot researchers do this. They'll see
[23:33] Speaker 2: smaller things, small structures or something, and they'll just automatically like, yeah, no,
[23:39] Speaker 2: it's too that's two way too low. It was a deer.
[23:42] Speaker 2: A deer broke that branch. A deer did this. It
[23:44] Speaker 2: was a deer. You can't throw away what you're finding
[23:48] Speaker 2: because they have children. And how do we teach our
[23:52] Speaker 2: children to do what we want them to do. We
[23:54] Speaker 2: show them and they copy us. So if I'm a
[23:57] Speaker 2: big old sasquatch and I'm making a big old you
[24:00] Speaker 2: know TP or say like a wigwam a little shelter,
[24:05] Speaker 2: or doing the grid patterns with the wood on the
[24:08] Speaker 2: you know, making these weird strange grids with the fallen trees,
[24:12] Speaker 2: and then you're finding the little versions of them, more
[24:15] Speaker 2: than likely it's either a juvenile or one of the
[24:19] Speaker 2: little sasquatches. The little feet, the sasquatches, what they're tying,
[24:23] Speaker 2: they're like the wars. Yeah, there's so much to I
[24:27] Speaker 2: would have the future, but I'd have two full weeks
[24:30] Speaker 2: to go through it all and that would have been enough.
[24:32] Speaker 1: Have you gotten to the point where you are you
[24:35] Speaker 1: know exactly what bigfoot is or you've made the decision
[24:38] Speaker 1: in your mind, Okay, this is what bigfoot is, this
[24:41] Speaker 1: is what it's all about.
[24:45] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, one, without a question, that's real. What's real? Two,
[24:53] Speaker 2: I believe it's a human. I don't think it's local
[24:57] Speaker 2: fauna or just a big a a gorilla or a chimpanzee.
[25:02] Speaker 2: Not that they're stupid or anything, but it's just it's
[25:04] Speaker 2: not just an animal. It's actually it's a human, and
[25:08] Speaker 2: it's just a really very large one that can now
[25:12] Speaker 2: do everything we can do easily and survive, you know,
[25:15] Speaker 2: way easier. But I really do believe that the Sasquatch
[25:19] Speaker 2: were the first version of humans, and at some point
[25:23] Speaker 2: they got well study you know, ancient history and the
[25:28] Speaker 2: Sumerians and all the different Native American stories of the
[25:32] Speaker 2: first ones that were here. Were mischievous. They were too big,
[25:35] Speaker 2: they're too strong, they didn't want to listen. They were
[25:37] Speaker 2: causing tons of problems. And call them gods, call them presidents,
[25:42] Speaker 2: call them whoever was in charge got pissed off in
[25:47] Speaker 2: pretty much kind of like banned them from interacting with us,
[25:53] Speaker 2: and they were sent all to the depths of the
[25:56] Speaker 2: forest around the world. They were toming going amongst the
[25:58] Speaker 2: men again. And we're getting now people are finding a
[26:02] Speaker 2: bunch of big, giant airy dudes in these forests. But
[26:06] Speaker 2: it's way more complicated than that. I think it's not
[26:09] Speaker 2: just you know, really comminents that have survived from you know,
[26:12] Speaker 2: way back when, because there's reports of them being with
[26:16] Speaker 2: aliens or gray's or retilions, whatever you want to call them,
[26:21] Speaker 2: demons all the same little word guys are the big
[26:24] Speaker 2: heads and the big you know, those big almond shape eyes.
[26:27] Speaker 2: Some are green, some are gray, some are white, some
[26:30] Speaker 2: are dark brown some but they've been seen with them.
[26:34] Speaker 2: UFO reports are often followed a big fociding or orbs glowing.
[26:41] Speaker 2: Then you got the people that say, you know, they
[26:42] Speaker 2: can jump into different dimensions. I think that they're like
[26:46] Speaker 2: humans in the sense that some are wild inbred and
[26:54] Speaker 2: just kind of like Neanderthal men, but way way more
[26:58] Speaker 2: primitive primitive. And then I think there's some that are
[27:01] Speaker 2: like us in the hippy sense. Make love not war,
[27:05] Speaker 2: We love you, We care about humans, they try to
[27:08] Speaker 2: protect us. There's the stories that where you find, you know,
[27:10] Speaker 2: here little kids or somebody was saved by one. And
[27:14] Speaker 2: then there's the ones that hate us with a passion,
[27:17] Speaker 2: that'll eat us out of anger, not because they're hungry.
[27:21] Speaker 2: And then, like I said, this goes on the ones
[27:23] Speaker 2: that I'm guessing our military has that they're messing with.
[27:28] Speaker 2: And like I said, there's so much to them that
[27:30] Speaker 2: it's not I can't just stick them in one little section.
[27:34] Speaker 2: But for sure they are real and some sort of
[27:39] Speaker 2: human because you know, we worked on the DNA of
[27:41] Speaker 2: Sasquatch with the other project. It's half human period. The
[27:47] Speaker 2: other half we're not. The military knows. But the mother
[27:52] Speaker 2: the mate Hundri DNA was a human mother, first one
[27:56] Speaker 2: when they were first made, which goes to the story
[28:00] Speaker 2: with the the Sumerians of when they created man and
[28:05] Speaker 2: the first one was covering hair they made it was
[28:09] Speaker 2: articles on the nation and they combining with a human mother,
[28:14] Speaker 2: and uh commented from where they were occupying apparently in
[28:22] Speaker 2: local commented, Yeah, for slave slavery renisons.
[28:28] Speaker 1: Some really fascinating stuff. And the thing I love about
[28:31] Speaker 1: the topic is that there's literally something for everyone in
[28:37] Speaker 1: the field of big foot. I think people that aren't
[28:39] Speaker 1: in the field of big foot, they're like, Oh, it's
[28:41] Speaker 1: just it's just whatever. But when you start looking into it,
[28:44] Speaker 1: you're like, oh, there's so many different ways I could
[28:47] Speaker 1: look into this. Now, you kind of mentioned military stuff
[28:51] Speaker 1: for a bit, and I'm curious what your your thoughts
[28:56] Speaker 1: are on this. Do you think you know how right
[28:58] Speaker 1: now we're kind of living through a u FO disclosure.
[29:01] Speaker 1: It's starting, it's happening for the last few years, and
[29:04] Speaker 1: now it's it's becoming more and more even as we're talking.
[29:08] Speaker 1: Do you think maybe we will sometimes maybe we'll we'll
[29:12] Speaker 1: lift through that with with bigfoot or Sasquatch.
[29:17] Speaker 2: I would say not by then telling us. If it
[29:24] Speaker 2: does happen, it'll be because they can't control a situation
[29:29] Speaker 2: with them. The only way I would see it coming
[29:32] Speaker 2: out because it's way too useful as an asset to
[29:37] Speaker 2: the military versus you know, like the UFOL thing. The
[29:41] Speaker 2: UFOL thing, we can't really touch. It's none in our backyard.
[29:46] Speaker 2: It's very very elusive, you know, beyond you know, looking
[29:50] Speaker 2: in the forest, and of course you have a lot
[29:53] Speaker 2: of technology themselves. They're using UFO wise that they can
[29:56] Speaker 2: get away and say, oh, it's aliens, you know, But
[30:00] Speaker 2: with the Sasquatch, and I think they're more interested in
[30:02] Speaker 2: the whole DNA aspect of it and using it for
[30:05] Speaker 2: some type of not not cool things, you know, because yeah, no,
[30:12] Speaker 2: because I you know, you'll hear from say there's no
[30:14] Speaker 2: evidence the reason some blury pictures, right, But if you
[30:20] Speaker 2: actually do the research and take the tony of the research,
[30:22] Speaker 2: there is more than enough evidence times ten, you know,
[30:26] Speaker 2: times twenty square to the root of you know what
[30:29] Speaker 2: I mean. We got we got footprints with dermal ridges
[30:32] Speaker 2: that are not human. They're the dermal ridges run the
[30:36] Speaker 2: same direction as the great apes, you know, like gorillas
[30:39] Speaker 2: and champs. We got video, We've got pictures. We've got
[30:43] Speaker 2: good pictures, and everybody complains about there's no clear pictures. Well,
[30:48] Speaker 2: we got clear pictures in the negatived it's a fake
[30:50] Speaker 2: because it can't be really too good, you know what
[30:54] Speaker 2: I mean. So like a lot of people out there
[30:57] Speaker 2: that you know, are gonna hear I'm gonna say that
[30:58] Speaker 2: that that word odd standing, don't don't.
[31:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's cool.
[31:10] Speaker 2: That Like a lot of people I.
[31:12] Speaker 1: Know, there's there's people all over the world there just
[31:14] Speaker 1: going click on this right now. It's like it's it's.
[31:16] Speaker 2: Fine, y'all, just listen now, I'll give you all some
[31:21] Speaker 2: good reasons to keep on listening. All right. So, I
[31:25] Speaker 2: think there's two reasons. A lot of people don't like
[31:29] Speaker 2: Todd sitting there. That's a huge problem in the Bigfoot
[31:31] Speaker 2: world and every other cryptid and paranormal group out there.
[31:35] Speaker 2: Oh it's so there's so much drama, silly dramas. Everybody
[31:40] Speaker 2: judges everybody by their personality, not on their evidence, but
[31:44] Speaker 2: by their personality and if they like them on it outstanding. Okay,
[31:50] Speaker 2: he's abrasive. I mean know, respect you to Todd. I know
[31:53] Speaker 2: you're passionate and you're doing what you're doing. But a
[31:58] Speaker 2: lot of people don't like how passed him as he is.
[32:01] Speaker 2: You know, when he was out hunting with Jeff Meldrum, Jeff,
[32:05] Speaker 2: you know, Jeff, Doctor Jeff said, you know, he's a
[32:08] Speaker 2: little he's just really a little overly passionate, you could say,
[32:12] Speaker 2: and it's like, look, it's obviously bitquid. Look at tars bitquit,
[32:17] Speaker 2: which because he's seeing it out there, it's obvious to him.
[32:21] Speaker 2: But doctor Jeff. He isn't ready to just declare stuff,
[32:26] Speaker 2: you know what I mean, he's the works out of university. Still,
[32:29] Speaker 2: he's got to worry about that stuff. But so I
[32:32] Speaker 2: listened to everybody's complaints about Todd standing and their complaints.
[32:36] Speaker 2: The biggest one, I said, it's fake, And I asked him,
[32:38] Speaker 2: why do you think it's fake? They'll tell me, oh,
[32:41] Speaker 2: there's there's footage of of him faking it, like, really
[32:47] Speaker 2: show it to me. Okay, let's throw that out the water,
[32:51] Speaker 2: saying nobody's been able to show me the footage that
[32:54] Speaker 2: proves that he's fake. You know. The other the next
[32:57] Speaker 2: answer is, you know, his sister in law works in
[33:00] Speaker 2: the movie industry as a makeup artist, so it was
[33:03] Speaker 2: made by her. She made the mask they put on Todd. Right,
[33:07] Speaker 2: and then it's outstanding himself or pretending to be a
[33:11] Speaker 2: big foot and taking pictures of himself. Well, Luckily, I'm
[33:16] Speaker 2: a professional, and I've been in the movie industry for
[33:19] Speaker 2: going on twenty years now, and I know special effects.
[33:24] Speaker 2: I went to coll the Mitology for makeup a long
[33:26] Speaker 2: time ago. Those are two different departments. The makeup lady,
[33:32] Speaker 2: she dusts her forehead in your nose, so it's not
[33:35] Speaker 2: too shiny for the camera. Show glue on, maybe a
[33:39] Speaker 2: fake mustache, or go to heuro put on a wig
[33:42] Speaker 2: on you. She's not a creature creator, she they don't
[33:48] Speaker 2: make animatronics, they don't make masks. You need special effects
[33:53] Speaker 2: people to do that. It's not cheap. What's soo okay
[33:59] Speaker 2: to do that? He does not scream wealthy to me.
[34:04] Speaker 2: Just that's just personal my own opinion to where he
[34:07] Speaker 2: would be wasting the money to do that, on what
[34:10] Speaker 2: it would cost. Do you remember the movie of the
[34:13] Speaker 2: Dark Crystal.
[34:14] Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, classic Jim Henson movie.
[34:16] Speaker 2: Right exactly. So I'm friends with a guy that worked
[34:21] Speaker 2: with Jim Henson on that movie, Michael McCormick. Okay, he
[34:25] Speaker 2: needed a puppeteer, you know, for Jim Henson and helps
[34:30] Speaker 2: you know, build those type of things, and for that
[34:33] Speaker 2: movie they needed a little bit of everything. Somethings are animatronics,
[34:36] Speaker 2: some things are people in suits, some things are puppets.
[34:39] Speaker 2: You know that in that movie. So I asked him,
[34:41] Speaker 2: I said, I said, Michael, do me a favor. I'm
[34:43] Speaker 2: gonna send you some images and a video. I need
[34:46] Speaker 2: to know something. Is it a mask? Is it a
[34:50] Speaker 2: puppet or is it animatronic or do you think it's
[34:55] Speaker 2: an animal? That's all I want to know. And if
[35:00] Speaker 2: you think it's animatronic or a puppet or a mask,
[35:06] Speaker 2: what kind of budget would I mean to pull that off? Okay? Now,
[35:12] Speaker 2: one of the images of the Sasquatch, it's next to
[35:15] Speaker 2: a tree which has a certain size of needles, you know,
[35:20] Speaker 2: the leaves, and with their needles of a specific type
[35:23] Speaker 2: of evergreen, you can literally figure out the size of
[35:27] Speaker 2: the head of that whatever it is by measuring those
[35:33] Speaker 2: needles next to its head, which it shows when you
[35:38] Speaker 2: do that that it's a giant freaking head. You know
[35:41] Speaker 2: it's head. It's huge. And so Michael said, it's not
[35:47] Speaker 2: a puppet for sure, it's not a mask. And if
[35:51] Speaker 2: it's animatronic, which he doesn't think it was, for that
[35:55] Speaker 2: size of a head with movable blinking eyes, and that's large,
[36:01] Speaker 2: and you have to have a whole team to run it.
[36:05] Speaker 2: If you've ever seen that type of stuff actually done
[36:08] Speaker 2: in Hollywood, you literally have five to ten people all
[36:13] Speaker 2: working different parts of that animal, fake animal, whatever you
[36:18] Speaker 2: want to call it, animatronic contings to make it all
[36:20] Speaker 2: work together to be believable for an audience, and you're
[36:24] Speaker 2: looking at a million dollars to build something like that
[36:27] Speaker 2: and have a whole team to do that, you know.
[36:32] Speaker 2: So there's a bunch of stuff points to me that no,
[36:36] Speaker 2: it's it's not fake. Sure, he may be a bracet,
[36:38] Speaker 2: he may be you know, considered a jerk or whatever,
[36:42] Speaker 2: but it's or sister in law whatever. Makeup. People don't
[36:48] Speaker 2: do that kind of stuff. And if she was doing
[36:50] Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, it would be an IMDb with
[36:53] Speaker 2: all her credits as a special effects artist in creating
[36:56] Speaker 2: creature cool stuff, you know what I mean? Because that's
[37:01] Speaker 2: animatronic and fake or puppets. She needs an award. She
[37:06] Speaker 2: needs to be working in Hollywood way more than she
[37:08] Speaker 2: is instead of putting on a lipstick and eyeshadow on
[37:11] Speaker 2: people and dying gray hair is black, you know what
[37:14] Speaker 2: I mean. That's the only reason why I think. And
[37:17] Speaker 2: I also I measured the picture. There was a look
[37:20] Speaker 2: you're thoughts standing under her mask. If you measure the
[37:23] Speaker 2: eye of that sasquatch, the main one that he shows,
[37:27] Speaker 2: you know, and you check the distance between the eyes.
[37:31] Speaker 2: I went to our college, I was a commercial art college,
[37:34] Speaker 2: I know, and that I mean, I know the humans
[37:37] Speaker 2: have one eye in between the eyes we have the
[37:40] Speaker 2: size of your left eye and the same size as
[37:43] Speaker 2: your right. I unless you've got you know, you're born,
[37:45] Speaker 2: you know, mouth formed, it's one eye in between. If
[37:49] Speaker 2: you measure the one you know, the eye on that
[37:52] Speaker 2: you know alleged Sasquatch, it's three of its eyes in
[37:59] Speaker 2: between the two. Why which is physically impossable for a
[38:02] Speaker 2: human unless you've got like elephant man syndrome or something,
[38:05] Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I don't care if
[38:08] Speaker 2: people are jerks. There's a lot of people in the
[38:10] Speaker 2: big Foo community that I can't stand. Me just want
[38:14] Speaker 2: to be like smack them just so hard. But that
[38:19] Speaker 2: does not have anything to do with real evidence, any
[38:23] Speaker 2: type of evidence. And we are dying for real evidence,
[38:27] Speaker 2: and we're going to throw it out. Some of the
[38:30] Speaker 2: best visual photography ever of Sasquage, well outside of you know,
[38:36] Speaker 2: government sources. I would try a little harder to scrutinize
[38:42] Speaker 2: it a little bit better than just doing a gift
[38:45] Speaker 2: image overlay and saying that his PI history of law
[38:50] Speaker 2: made it, you know what I mean, that's all the
[38:51] Speaker 2: evidence you got. Come on, guys, we're going backwards. We're
[38:56] Speaker 2: going backwards when we should that should be like, you know,
[39:00] Speaker 2: cares if he's a weirdo or whatever we want, we
[39:02] Speaker 2: want to call him whatever, you know. It's like it's
[39:05] Speaker 2: like imagine people getting pissed off at doctor Jef Meldrum
[39:08] Speaker 2: because his beard. Well I don't like his task watch
[39:12] Speaker 2: theories and his work on feet because you guys stupid murdered.
[39:17] Speaker 2: It's like, come on, guys, really, you guys are killing me. Dude.
[39:21] Speaker 2: Well that's the thing.
[39:22] Speaker 1: I like the mustache better a little bit, you know,
[39:24] Speaker 1: mustache medic I'd say definitely h Todd. This Todd Standing
[39:33] Speaker 1: discussion is such an interesting discussion. I will tell you this.
[39:37] Speaker 1: I did interview a gentleman who had a wild encounter
[39:41] Speaker 1: outside of Oakridge, Oregon, and the way he was very
[39:45] Speaker 1: hesitant to describe the face of it, and he was like,
[39:51] Speaker 1: I know I'm going to get I'm going to get
[39:53] Speaker 1: crud for this, But I will tell you that what
[39:57] Speaker 1: Todd Standing captured in that photo is what I saw
[40:00] Speaker 1: that day. And I know a lot of people after
[40:01] Speaker 1: I say this will not pretty much not take my
[40:04] Speaker 1: encounter seriously because there's just so many, so many people Yeah,
[40:09] Speaker 1: it's it's weird that it's such an interesting topic. But
[40:12] Speaker 1: I've never talked to Todd personally, right, but it's such
[40:17] Speaker 1: a weird how it's it's such a polarizing conversation, right, right.
[40:23] Speaker 2: You've heard of doctor bendon Nagel. Yeah, yeah, Okay, a
[40:27] Speaker 2: lot of people love that guy, A lot of people
[40:30] Speaker 2: love his research. Right, so that's all open with I
[40:33] Speaker 2: love to do this because it's so funny. I'll tell
[40:35] Speaker 2: you you heard of doctor bender Nagel. Do oh, I
[40:38] Speaker 2: love that old man. Rest his soul and you know,
[40:41] Speaker 2: alright me and oh man, he was the reird deal, right. Well,
[40:47] Speaker 2: you know he went out with Todd Standing, and Todd
[40:50] Speaker 2: showed him videos that he had with from anybody else
[40:52] Speaker 2: of says asquatches, and doctor Bendernagel said, it's real. What
[40:59] Speaker 2: do you have us? It's not fake in his own
[41:04] Speaker 2: professional opinion, Outstanding is not making it up. So are
[41:11] Speaker 2: you saying that you think doctor bender Nagels are fake too?
[41:18] Speaker 2: Or is he just an old, stupid old man that
[41:19] Speaker 2: you guys don't trust, or are you going to trust
[41:23] Speaker 2: the thirty plus years of his work, knowing this creature
[41:27] Speaker 2: and deciding for himself while he was up there actually
[41:31] Speaker 2: with Todd going to the areas and seeing all the
[41:33] Speaker 2: footage that he had. Is he scared to show more
[41:35] Speaker 2: people because everybody's all, yeah, it's fake, you know what
[41:38] Speaker 2: I mean?
[41:40] Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's a very interesting conversation, especially tough when
[41:46] Speaker 1: some of the parties involved are no longer with us,
[41:49] Speaker 1: so you can't ask them, you know.
[41:52] Speaker 2: Well, he's going video saying it. That's the thing.
[41:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, right, literally, yeah.
[41:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, that's right. Like my
[42:03] Speaker 2: issue is I don't care what other people think a
[42:07] Speaker 2: lot of people have gone out with me hunting, or
[42:10] Speaker 2: they've invited me to go with them, and for whatever reason,
[42:14] Speaker 2: I'm a weird magnet, okay, And I get interaction a lot,
[42:20] Speaker 2: especially at nighttime with all these people that I've gone
[42:23] Speaker 2: with and people that they don't like me, and they
[42:26] Speaker 2: get mad because they've had nothing going on, and I
[42:29] Speaker 2: go with them, and then all of a sudden, there's
[42:30] Speaker 2: action whatever you wanna call it. So a lot of
[42:35] Speaker 2: people they can't they can't say, oh, you're breaking new
[42:37] Speaker 2: dope because that happened when I was with him. I've
[42:41] Speaker 2: got pictures of freaking dig pots looking in my tent.
[42:46] Speaker 1: I've seen the two of them, yeah.
[42:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, and a friend, a funny looking green guy, you know,
[42:52] Speaker 2: and I've got more photo nobody has. Not too many
[42:56] Speaker 2: people I've really seen more recent because the original the
[43:00] Speaker 2: ten thing was in twenty seventeen, but this was it
[43:03] Speaker 2: last year. Yeah. I got my new phone. It's you know,
[43:06] Speaker 2: the Android Ultra thirteen twenty four or whatever, super zoom,
[43:12] Speaker 2: night pain shot honed. It talks way too much. I'm
[43:14] Speaker 2: still ain't on it type of phone, and I was.
[43:17] Speaker 2: I took my parents out campy man been camping together
[43:20] Speaker 2: in years, and we went to an area where there
[43:23] Speaker 2: was reports, you know, the campers saying that somebody was
[43:25] Speaker 2: throwing rocks in their tanner, you know, the usual you know,
[43:28] Speaker 2: silliness and the big flis like new But I was like,
[43:31] Speaker 2: I'm not hunting, I swear, let's just have enjoyed ourselves.
[43:36] Speaker 2: And yeah, eventually started hearing a weird crap and I
[43:41] Speaker 2: was like, what now the good time to try out
[43:43] Speaker 2: this night you know night shot that it has, but
[43:46] Speaker 2: there's at night vision or nothing like that. It's just
[43:49] Speaker 2: it's a five second delay and I get it. Teaching
[43:52] Speaker 2: all the light possible if there's absolutely no light. It
[43:54] Speaker 2: don't work. At least some kind of light source even
[44:00] Speaker 2: in a small, small camp fire in the count does amazing.
[44:05] Speaker 2: And I brightened them up, and sure enough I have
[44:11] Speaker 2: it looks like a juvenile sasquash from a branch. You know,
[44:15] Speaker 2: do you remember those those red little monkeys in a
[44:18] Speaker 2: barrel that you hanging with each other? Ye doesn't that
[44:22] Speaker 2: that cloes exactly? Okay, hanging down that's a branch. And
[44:25] Speaker 2: then but this is the wildest night because I experienced
[44:29] Speaker 2: a whole bunch of different stuff, not your bigfoot stuff,
[44:32] Speaker 2: for years and years, and this was the first time though,
[44:35] Speaker 2: that I ever got in a picture what I believe
[44:38] Speaker 2: is the werewolf, wolfman, dog man, whatever they want to
[44:41] Speaker 2: call him. They're going the same night a wolf person,
[44:47] Speaker 2: dude with this mean a big foot with his eyes blowing,
[44:55] Speaker 2: and on the right side of bigfoot a gray So like,
[45:02] Speaker 2: what's going on? You know what I mean? How can
[45:04] Speaker 2: I categorize that? You know? It's like I already had
[45:08] Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen showing two sasquatch with green gray whatever
[45:12] Speaker 2: you want to call a rectilian, red eyes, green skin.
[45:15] Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. And I've been blessing
[45:18] Speaker 2: because of my my movie career. In being a semi celebrity,
[45:23] Speaker 2: a lot of different researchers they want to meet, they
[45:26] Speaker 2: want to talk to me, they want to buy me out,
[45:28] Speaker 2: you know when they're hunting and stuff. And they opened
[45:30] Speaker 2: a bunch of doors to being involved with from serious
[45:33] Speaker 2: you know, you know, cool things of researchers and working
[45:38] Speaker 2: with Jim Goodaw and you know the Falcon Project before
[45:41] Speaker 2: it tell apart, you know project, you know, yeah, you know,
[45:46] Speaker 2: I work with Jeff Meldrum, working in other anthropologists. How
[45:51] Speaker 2: do anthropologists, you know, heads of different universities coming to
[45:56] Speaker 2: me asking me questions about it and say, that's wild.
[46:00] Speaker 2: That's pretty wild stuff, you know. And I've seen him myself.
[46:04] Speaker 2: I know it's real, videotaped, great footage, you know, nothing amazing,
[46:08] Speaker 2: But it was this asquatch. I was an the one
[46:11] Speaker 2: that saw it. We're driving home, you know, on the reservation,
[46:14] Speaker 2: no aut reservation. The couple that I was giving a
[46:17] Speaker 2: right to Walmart to get some food. The wife she's
[46:20] Speaker 2: we're talking, we're talking about bigfoot, and she's like, hey,
[46:22] Speaker 2: look there's one right there. And I was like what.
[46:25] Speaker 2: We turned to the right, and sure enough there's a
[46:28] Speaker 2: big foot just walking down the irrigation show doll Over
[46:32] Speaker 2: jumped out and filmed it, you know. But yeah, there's
[46:35] Speaker 2: too much evidence that I've gotten and I'm albot anybody
[46:40] Speaker 2: scrutinizing my stuff. I don't mind telling the truth. I
[46:43] Speaker 2: don't care at all. I ain't worried and scared about nothing.
[46:46] Speaker 2: Already a public figure, people ask me no word about
[46:49] Speaker 2: it destroying my career, and I'm like, what what are
[46:51] Speaker 2: they going to destroy? But they're not gonna want me
[46:54] Speaker 2: to play a drug dealer. They won't let me play
[46:58] Speaker 2: a murderer carrying bodies in the desert. Oh no, not
[47:02] Speaker 2: the scary guy. Come on whatever, man. The only reason
[47:06] Speaker 2: I got into Hollywood is because I had to pay bills.
[47:09] Speaker 2: I found out I had a daughter, and I was like,
[47:13] Speaker 2: I need to do something that's gonna make me money.
[47:14] Speaker 2: I don't have the money to go to twelve years
[47:16] Speaker 2: of school for a lawyer or doctor, you know, I need.
[47:19] Speaker 2: I need to get into a bog look, and I
[47:21] Speaker 2: know I can make a good a good amount of
[47:23] Speaker 2: money to take care of my parents and the kids.
[47:25] Speaker 2: And yeah, that's how I got in that because I
[47:31] Speaker 2: knew I was so stereotyped by society because I'm a big,
[47:35] Speaker 2: giant Mexican, you know what I mean, ball, I had it,
[47:36] Speaker 2: got tattoos, my tear drives a whole, you know, gambit,
[47:40] Speaker 2: And yeah, I've been screwed with. I faced tons of
[47:42] Speaker 2: years in prison on false charges. Never been convicted of
[47:46] Speaker 2: the family once, but I faced them how many years.
[47:49] Speaker 2: I'm stupid crab because I matched such a script shit,
[47:53] Speaker 2: you know. And so I was like, well, man, Hollywood
[47:55] Speaker 2: should need it up. They only got normal sized Mexicans,
[47:58] Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I'm a giant one of
[48:00] Speaker 2: normal sized Mexicans. You know, six foot three is huge.
[48:04] Speaker 2: But yeah, so that's how you know. It wasn't my
[48:06] Speaker 2: dream to be an actor. I wasn't like, you know,
[48:08] Speaker 2: taking acting classes. Oh I wish, No I was. I was.
[48:11] Speaker 2: I went to my first call as an extra on
[48:15] Speaker 2: a Steven Sagam movie and I was the only giant
[48:19] Speaker 2: Mexican where he was supposed to be in East LA
[48:21] Speaker 2: beating up his Mexican gang. But they were normal size,
[48:23] Speaker 2: So I like kids beating up little kids. He's six
[48:25] Speaker 2: foot five, you know. And I was already a bodyguarded
[48:28] Speaker 2: professional fighter, law enforcement and all that stuff. And I
[48:32] Speaker 2: was like, yeah, dude, I'm down to fight him, you know.
[48:35] Speaker 2: And they're like, okay, come on, come meet him. And
[48:38] Speaker 2: we met. He tried me out, you know, for my
[48:41] Speaker 2: acting skills, you know, just some improv and he liked it.
[48:45] Speaker 2: It was good enough for his movie. And he said,
[48:47] Speaker 2: I want you to meet me at my hotel tonight
[48:50] Speaker 2: so we can fight. They wouldn't just see what I
[48:52] Speaker 2: could do. So I was like, hell, yeah, I don't care, nay.
[48:56] Speaker 2: But he says about semysical all things. Oh, he's a
[48:58] Speaker 2: fake co martial artists. No, he's a sixty five giant
[49:03] Speaker 2: that is very strong. Don't care how chubby he is
[49:06] Speaker 2: or not. But he is the only Caucasian man ever
[49:11] Speaker 2: given a permission by the to the in Japan to
[49:16] Speaker 2: chicha kido as a master fake martial arts. Can't do that,
[49:24] Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Well, yeah, so that's how
[49:26] Speaker 2: I got into Hollywood. Like that. I became just a
[49:28] Speaker 2: bad guy to fight and get shot and carry people. Yeah,
[49:33] Speaker 2: so I don't I'm not concerned about that because this
[49:35] Speaker 2: is all the big for stuff, the UNIFO stuff that
[49:37] Speaker 2: got stuff, all the weird stuff that I experience and
[49:41] Speaker 2: you know, share with everybody that was happening before any
[49:45] Speaker 2: job I had exactly.
[49:47] Speaker 1: Oh, it's you know, such an interesting path that you've
[49:51] Speaker 1: gone down. It's really cool. There's a few things I
[49:53] Speaker 1: want to circle back around real quick to make sure
[49:56] Speaker 1: that they don't disappear. So that picture that you took
[50:01] Speaker 1: just last year, where it is like the bigfoot, the
[50:04] Speaker 1: alien and the dog man type creature, is that it
[50:07] Speaker 1: sounds like that's just that's not a public thing at all.
[50:11] Speaker 2: Not Unfortunately, I haven't cut up a video yet. Are
[50:13] Speaker 2: you able to receive a pictures while wearing the phone
[50:15] Speaker 2: or no?
[50:17] Speaker 1: I mean you can my email. I have an email
[50:20] Speaker 1: you could send it to. Yeah, it's big for Society
[50:22] Speaker 1: at gmail dot com.
[50:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll send you those pictures and you can tip
[50:28] Speaker 2: bottom up.
[50:29] Speaker 1: All right, cool, you know that's good.
[50:31] Speaker 2: I'll show everybody because I do enhance images. I'll tell them,
[50:35] Speaker 2: but I will let every you know exactly what free
[50:38] Speaker 2: app I'm using on my phone right the process in
[50:41] Speaker 2: the original picture. I am happy to show them all that.
[50:44] Speaker 2: So I and all my videos on my channel on
[50:47] Speaker 2: my YouTube channel, I do that because I don't want
[50:50] Speaker 2: people doing here look at it. It's obviously been missed
[50:53] Speaker 2: with it. It's like, yes, it is. It has been brightened,
[50:56] Speaker 2: it has been sharpened. I have at a slight contrast
[50:59] Speaker 2: I have, you know, just to the ambience, so you
[51:03] Speaker 2: guys can see better. I know it's there, but not
[51:07] Speaker 2: everybody you can see what I'm seeing right now, So
[51:10] Speaker 2: I need to bring it out a little bit better
[51:13] Speaker 2: so you can see because like like I'll send you
[51:15] Speaker 2: some of the like the original shots before brightening and stuff,
[51:19] Speaker 2: like with the two bigfoots in my hand, no looking
[51:22] Speaker 2: in the tent. Some people haven't seen. I don't just
[51:25] Speaker 2: have those couple of pictures of them looking in the tent.
[51:29] Speaker 2: I've got to where they were freaking out. The guy
[51:32] Speaker 2: that I was with, he was about to, you know,
[51:33] Speaker 2: like on the verge of the official panic attack. I
[51:37] Speaker 2: shine the flashlight in their face and you can see
[51:41] Speaker 2: one of the sasquats grimace in the picture. That's right,
[51:46] Speaker 2: you know what I mean? If it was a mask,
[51:49] Speaker 2: how the hell did it do that? How can you grim?
[51:52] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And then like you've heard
[51:54] Speaker 2: a thinker thunker, He's great, okay, it's a good friend
[51:58] Speaker 2: of mine. Little losses yeah, and I think he's gotten
[52:04] Speaker 2: too concerned with people what they say. He's always trying
[52:10] Speaker 2: to prove to them, and like the legs videos, they're
[52:15] Speaker 2: like more about that than just the research anymore. I
[52:20] Speaker 2: hope he works that out and stops keeping the crap
[52:23] Speaker 2: what people say, just what he does, because I love
[52:27] Speaker 2: I love what he does, you know. But he came
[52:30] Speaker 2: out with a way to measure the faces a sasquatch
[52:34] Speaker 2: and their arms and legs is mainly you know, started
[52:37] Speaker 2: with but yeah, when you measure the face of the
[52:41] Speaker 2: majority of actual possible sasquatch images, they're they're not human proportions,
[52:49] Speaker 2: you know, for normally, unless of course, there's you know,
[52:52] Speaker 2: they're born with, you know, mild formed like if you
[52:55] Speaker 2: get your finger right now, you put it under your nose,
[52:59] Speaker 2: the top of this touch your nose, in the bottom
[53:01] Speaker 2: of your finger should touch your upper lip or at
[53:04] Speaker 2: least quotes sasquatch, not all of them, but I'll say
[53:09] Speaker 2: the majority from what we're seeing, you put you hit
[53:13] Speaker 2: two fingers, not one, but two natural their mouth begins
[53:17] Speaker 2: under that part. When he came out with that, it
[53:21] Speaker 2: was after my incident in twenty seventeen with those images.
[53:25] Speaker 2: I used his in anything he does for the face measurements,
[53:29] Speaker 2: be fit be fit. Wow, How would I know in
[53:33] Speaker 2: advance that he was going to invent that thing by
[53:36] Speaker 2: scrutinizing all these different images and videos? How would I
[53:39] Speaker 2: know that three years earlier? You know what I mean?
[53:44] Speaker 1: Exactly? I can't wait too to see those What was
[53:47] Speaker 1: it that you did with Jane Goodall?
[53:50] Speaker 2: Well, she was on the Talking Project, Oh right, yeah,
[53:54] Speaker 2: and she and she was going to be part of
[53:56] Speaker 2: the Gino project too.
[53:58] Speaker 1: Can you explaining real quick with the A lot of
[54:01] Speaker 1: people are not going to know what the Falcon Project is,
[54:03] Speaker 1: I think.
[54:04] Speaker 2: Okay, So once upon a time, a long long time ago, right,
[54:10] Speaker 2: there was a guy named William Barnes. He was always
[54:14] Speaker 2: cool to me. I'm sorry everything went crappy with it,
[54:16] Speaker 2: you know, with the situation, because he meant well, got
[54:19] Speaker 2: dealt the hard hand. But the Falcon project was a
[54:23] Speaker 2: they're going to send up an airship drone, but not
[54:27] Speaker 2: the typical journal just you know, the propellers. But it
[54:29] Speaker 2: was going to look like actual blank panda, and they
[54:32] Speaker 2: were going to send it up way high and it'd
[54:34] Speaker 2: have all the different abilities of you know, lighterer and
[54:38] Speaker 2: I don't know about lighter, but you know, night vision,
[54:41] Speaker 2: sheet sensing, you know, all that fun stuff, and they
[54:44] Speaker 2: were going to send it over areas so Bigfley wouldn't
[54:48] Speaker 2: know that they were passing by watching what's down there.
[54:52] Speaker 2: And they had multiple individuals that were going to be
[54:57] Speaker 2: on the ground. I was one of those individuals that
[55:00] Speaker 2: was going to be there for six months in the forest. Yeah,
[55:05] Speaker 2: living there and doing all the research with you know,
[55:08] Speaker 2: several other people that have been chosen. And then you
[55:11] Speaker 2: had the the anthropologists that we're going to be. We'd
[55:15] Speaker 2: report to all our information and what we're getting, you know,
[55:18] Speaker 2: the evidences of But unfortunately, it holds all the funding
[55:22] Speaker 2: and people showed up to the to the locations and
[55:28] Speaker 2: there was no one there because nobody had told them
[55:30] Speaker 2: that that had happened. Unfortunately, and luckily somebody reached out
[55:34] Speaker 2: to me before I headed out and said, hey, dude,
[55:37] Speaker 2: don't come, it's not happenying it pulled the plug, you know.
[55:42] Speaker 2: But it was a really huge thing that was going on.
[55:44] Speaker 2: It was there was lots of excitement for it. I
[55:47] Speaker 2: was excited for it. I was looking forward to just
[55:50] Speaker 2: being stuck in the forest for six months. Just you know,
[55:53] Speaker 2: I love that kind of stuff, you know, But yeah,
[55:56] Speaker 2: so it tell apart. And then they came the Genome project.
[56:01] Speaker 2: There was one hundred she study. We're working with Oxford
[56:05] Speaker 2: University on the DNA the sasquatch, and there was one
[56:10] Speaker 2: hundred samples given. And then everybody started attacking Umble Kitchen
[56:15] Speaker 2: because she's sorry telling other stuff beyond the herr her
[56:22] Speaker 2: work as a DNA expert. And people once again are
[56:26] Speaker 2: judging people on their personality or they don't like them,
[56:32] Speaker 2: not on their actual physical evidence or you know, bigger
[56:35] Speaker 2: evidence that they put forth.
[56:38] Speaker 1: There is a lot of jealousy in the field as well.
[56:43] Speaker 1: Oh yeah that I've seen that in the last five
[56:46] Speaker 1: years destroy relationships that should have lasted for decades.
[56:51] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[56:52] Speaker 1: That's that's all I'll say about that. But it's it's
[56:55] Speaker 1: it can be. Yeah, just guys, don't don't get.
[56:58] Speaker 2: From every every It's we can in film at regular jobs,
[57:04] Speaker 2: you know, changes in that where you are Humans are
[57:07] Speaker 2: just oh they can be so stupid sometimes, you know
[57:10] Speaker 2: what I mean. It's just it's the same everywhere. It
[57:14] Speaker 2: doesn't matter because I'm involved with so many different types
[57:17] Speaker 2: of the paranormal and I've been, you know, an expert
[57:20] Speaker 2: for the UFO TV shows. I dealt with, you know, ichnology, ghosts.
[57:25] Speaker 2: I'm a pastor. I've done Clinton and how I deal
[57:29] Speaker 2: with my own issues with ghost systems. I've seen UFOs,
[57:32] Speaker 2: I have seen the little gray guys. I've seen so much.
[57:36] Speaker 2: It's just that the the bigfoot thing is what people
[57:41] Speaker 2: find most interesting. I guess that I get requested to
[57:44] Speaker 2: talk about most sure, you know, and yeah, And that's
[57:47] Speaker 2: why I don't care. It's like, y'all can hate me
[57:51] Speaker 2: all you want. This is my normal life. I can't
[57:54] Speaker 2: turn it off. I'm just sharing with you guys what
[57:56] Speaker 2: what I'm experiencing with and what I believe is going on.
[58:01] Speaker 2: I Am not here to prove anything to anybody. I'm
[58:05] Speaker 2: just here to share what I'm finding out in the experience.
[58:10] Speaker 1: Have you done any research or any expeditions outside of
[58:14] Speaker 1: the Southwest.
[58:16] Speaker 2: I've done Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, California, Washington, Oregon, Oklahoma.
[58:27] Speaker 2: I've got plans already set up for Florida and upstate
[58:32] Speaker 2: New York. My research and I studied, I study every
[58:35] Speaker 2: continent in the United States of all possible sasquatch.
[58:39] Speaker 1: Related where did you go to in Oklahoma?
[58:43] Speaker 2: The comententary reservation out there, Okay, the Anobia or Anobe
[58:59] Speaker 2: or no the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so that that
[59:05] Speaker 2: kind of that area, you know what I mean? And yeah,
[59:08] Speaker 2: the big foots up there are mean, that's it's a trip, man,
[59:11] Speaker 2: because like I said, there's so many different kinds you
[59:14] Speaker 2: know that are out there. You heard the Three of
[59:16] Speaker 2: the tub Brothers. You know that whole Sasquats massacre war
[59:21] Speaker 2: between something natives in the cavalry in the big foods.
[59:26] Speaker 2: That's some wild stuff. You know, the whole Nabi incident.
[59:30] Speaker 2: That's a wild still. But like over here, you never
[59:33] Speaker 2: hear the violent stuff. There's people that have gone missing,
[59:36] Speaker 2: I'm sure, but you never hear in this area of
[59:40] Speaker 2: violent attacks or cannibalism. In Florida, it seems like they
[59:46] Speaker 2: have more of the more animalistic ape activity versus the
[59:54] Speaker 2: much smaller too. But there is giant ones out there,
[59:56] Speaker 2: but the ones that were mostly reported are you know,
[59:59] Speaker 2: six to seve to you that most you know, we
[1:00:02] Speaker 2: here the biggest one. We worked with jac Johnson. Again,
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: I got pictures of that. It's like, at least I know,
[1:00:11] Speaker 2: this sound is ridiculous but the picture of the sasquatch
[1:00:14] Speaker 2: that I'm talking about is between twenty and twenty five
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: feet tall.
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: Wow, I mean I've heard of them that that big
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: as a gentleman two gentlemen up in Oregon. Well, I
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: don't know that was track size. I'm sorry. Twenty three
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: and track size.
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: That what you like? Yeah, like Alaska, Canada up there,
[1:00:36] Speaker 2: that's where you hear about the big ones. But here
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: in New Mexico that's unheard of. The only reason why
[1:00:41] Speaker 2: I say it's that big is because the picture that
[1:00:44] Speaker 2: we have of the sasquatch, it's sitting on its butt. Okay,
[1:00:47] Speaker 2: it's sitting on the ground, and its legs are kind
[1:00:50] Speaker 2: of cross sort of, and it's sitting in the area
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: where these they're called the juniper trees, you know, the
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: evergreen type juniper trees. The tallest ones grow to about
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: twelve feet. The average is between ten and eleven feet
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: of these trees. And it's like if you ever approach
[1:01:10] Speaker 2: a mountain or a forest between the flatlands and the
[1:01:14] Speaker 2: main forest, you usually have halfway sized trees, not to
[1:01:20] Speaker 2: get an actual force to get the big boys. Right.
[1:01:22] Speaker 2: So that's the same situation here. So these trees that
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: it's sitting next to. Okay, fully grown trees. I'm looked
[1:01:32] Speaker 2: through its chest, the lower part of its chest, and
[1:01:36] Speaker 2: it's sitting down. I know that these are the trees
[1:01:40] Speaker 2: in the side of the tree because my mom wash
[1:01:42] Speaker 2: to the forest apartment and I went there and showed
[1:01:44] Speaker 2: them the picture. I was like, don't worry about whatever
[1:01:47] Speaker 2: that is, but what kind of trees are those? Where
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: is it at? I was like Madrid area. You're like, well,
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: those are guliber trees. You're like, well, how big do
[1:01:57] Speaker 2: they grow? They're like, what is that I look at about?
[1:02:00] Speaker 2: I'm just worry asking about the trees. You know.
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: It's funny. Yeah, when you're in Oklahoma in Honab, did
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: you have any interesting things happen out there?
[1:02:12] Speaker 2: Honestly I didn't. Just stories people are saying, you know, Okay, yeah,
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: so I had. I needed more time there, That's the thing.
[1:02:24] Speaker 2: I was only there for you know, a weeks maybe,
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: and to get you know, I didn't. I was doing
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: more because you know, you sart bottle of the reservations
[1:02:32] Speaker 2: and you know, doing ow wow and spending time with
[1:02:35] Speaker 2: family and stuff. So I was there. I wasn't there
[1:02:38] Speaker 2: for Bigfoot I was there to spend time with the
[1:02:41] Speaker 2: command Ches and I drum and singing with them. So yeah,
[1:02:45] Speaker 2: just it's like I said, it's just part of my life. Honestly.
[1:02:49] Speaker 2: Now it's so strange. I want to there's this Bigfoot
[1:02:53] Speaker 2: quote unquote museum up here where I live that opened up,
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: and they did it for money. They didn't really know
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: the big Foot there, you know what I mean. So
[1:03:04] Speaker 2: they're already putting it for sell and I'm hoping to
[1:03:06] Speaker 2: be able to buy it and do it right, you know,
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: really cool.
[1:03:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, and the connections you have, you'd be able to
[1:03:16] Speaker 1: really set that up good, I mean, tell.
[1:03:21] Speaker 2: So cool.
[1:03:21] Speaker 1: Cool. Jesus, this has been a really fun chat. Thank
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the show. As we
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: start to wind down, this is you know, a few
[1:03:32] Speaker 1: few ending questions. Did you have any final thoughts or
[1:03:36] Speaker 1: or how people can keep up to date with with
[1:03:38] Speaker 1: all these different things you've got going on.
[1:03:43] Speaker 2: If you go on YouTube and you type in the
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: search section, you can type in Breaking Discoveries. That's the
[1:03:49] Speaker 2: name of my channel, and Breaking Bigfoot is the series
[1:03:54] Speaker 2: on my channel. Because I do other things too, but
[1:03:57] Speaker 2: the majority of stuff is big for related But that's
[1:03:59] Speaker 2: Breaking big so you can pack in either one Breaking
[1:04:02] Speaker 2: Discoveries or Breaking Bigfoot. Then we'll see a picture of
[1:04:05] Speaker 2: a sasquatch with my face on it, and you'll see
[1:04:08] Speaker 2: the majority of everything I talked about tonight on on
[1:04:11] Speaker 2: that channel. That's what i'd say, that'd be the most
[1:04:14] Speaker 2: direct source. I don't I have like ninety videos or something.
[1:04:18] Speaker 2: I only make a video when I have new evidence.
[1:04:20] Speaker 2: If I don't have new evidence, and it takes a year,
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: you we'll see a video for a year.
[1:04:24] Speaker 4: You know.
[1:04:25] Speaker 2: I see a case it's so interesting. I got to
[1:04:27] Speaker 2: do a breakdown myself. But yeah, Breaking Discoveries is the
[1:04:31] Speaker 2: YouTube channel the Breaking big Foot series. It's there. If
[1:04:34] Speaker 2: you want to hear the podcasts that I've done, not
[1:04:37] Speaker 2: all of them, but a lot of them, just go
[1:04:39] Speaker 2: to my playlists and you'll see the podcast interviews, some
[1:04:43] Speaker 2: other interviews for my movie stuff. There's another playlist called
[1:04:47] Speaker 2: the Promul three sixty that's more of my UFO videos
[1:04:51] Speaker 2: that I've filmed and stuff like that. But yeah, if
[1:04:54] Speaker 2: you just want to learn about me, go on Google
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: or whatever search engine you're using and type in Jesus
[1:05:02] Speaker 2: Ion Junior Actor or just Jesus junior actor, Breaking Dad's Gonzo.
[1:05:08] Speaker 2: Any of those things will bring up the ridiculous amount
[1:05:11] Speaker 2: of stuff that I do, And yeah, it's it's that's me.
[1:05:15] Speaker 2: I'm here, I'm reachable. You can reach me on Facebook
[1:05:19] Speaker 2: just search my name Jess Jr. If you want to
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: write me an email, it's kind of a complicated email,
[1:05:26] Speaker 2: but it's Breaking Dad's Gonzo at gmail four twenty at
[1:05:31] Speaker 2: gmail dot com. So it's b R E A K
[1:05:34] Speaker 2: I N G B A D S g O n
[1:05:38] Speaker 2: z O four two zero at gmail dot com. If
[1:05:41] Speaker 2: you want to share your experience, images, video, hit me up.
[1:05:46] Speaker 2: I don't hate they need me to like enhance any
[1:05:50] Speaker 2: pictures or anything you think might be something interesting. I
[1:05:53] Speaker 2: don't charge. I'm happy to do it for free. I
[1:05:57] Speaker 2: just want to further the research and all that we're
[1:05:59] Speaker 2: doing in the strange and unknown.
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: That's fantastic. And I think probably because you have a
[1:06:05] Speaker 1: heart like that, that's why you have all the stuff
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: that happens to you, because you've got that pure heart.
[1:06:11] Speaker 1: That's just my personal opinion. But I've seen, you know,
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: people that are in it for money, they're usually not
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: going to experience so much. So anyways, that's an.
[1:06:21] Speaker 2: I'm broken to joke. I got too for money and
[1:06:24] Speaker 2: whatever else I can do for work. I worked my
[1:06:27] Speaker 2: ass off with my family and I am not riched
[1:06:30] Speaker 2: by any means, and I haven't made any good money
[1:06:34] Speaker 2: off of the big foot world. Like no, no, I
[1:06:39] Speaker 2: just do it because I love it and I want
[1:06:41] Speaker 2: to get the truth out there if you can. You
[1:06:45] Speaker 2: know I love it.
[1:06:46] Speaker 1: Jesus, thank you so much for coming on. It has
[1:06:48] Speaker 1: been a pleasure chatting to you tonight.
[1:06:52] Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. A honored to be on
[1:06:54] Speaker 2: your show, brother, and let's do it again soon.
[1:06:56] Speaker 1: You've got the privilege of talking to Mary today. Mary's
[1:06:59] Speaker 1: an individu that reached out to me from the great
[1:07:02] Speaker 1: state of Oklahoma with some interesting things that she's experienced
[1:07:05] Speaker 1: over the years. So Mary, it's great to have you
[1:07:07] Speaker 1: on the show today.
[1:07:10] Speaker 4: Nice to be here.
[1:07:12] Speaker 1: Absolutely, we were talking a little bit beforehand, and it
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: sounds like we'll definitely be getting into some interesting things.
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: Feel free to take us back to when all this
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: interesting stuff happened to you in your life.
[1:07:26] Speaker 4: I think the first time i'd actually experienced anything big
[1:07:32] Speaker 4: foot wise was when I was growing up on Grand
[1:07:35] Speaker 4: Lake and I lived with my grandmother and we would
[1:07:39] Speaker 4: pick cuckleberries stand the summertime, and we would be out
[1:07:42] Speaker 4: in the woods and we would hear strange knocks or
[1:07:46] Speaker 4: just strange noises that didn't sound like normal wildlife noises.
[1:07:51] Speaker 4: And anytime we would hear them, she'd be like, Okay,
[1:07:54] Speaker 4: we need to move to this area, or we need
[1:07:57] Speaker 4: to start thinking about moving back out. And I would
[1:08:01] Speaker 4: ask her one she'd be like, well, they don't like
[1:08:04] Speaker 4: us being around, and that was what she left it.
[1:08:06] Speaker 4: At night, you're young, you don't ask questions, but you
[1:08:11] Speaker 4: learned to listen for the knox, and then at times
[1:08:14] Speaker 4: you would hear the whooping, and during certain times of
[1:08:18] Speaker 4: the year there would be a lot of it, a
[1:08:21] Speaker 4: lot of activity of the whooping and knox late at night,
[1:08:25] Speaker 4: especially early summers, there was always seemed to would increase
[1:08:31] Speaker 4: and you could go out into the woods and you
[1:08:33] Speaker 4: would see, you know, footprints sometimes, or you'd see tree
[1:08:38] Speaker 4: branches down where yesterday they have been just fine. You
[1:08:42] Speaker 4: would see where the undergrowth was kind of pushed. I
[1:08:48] Speaker 4: remember finding areas where the berries were just picked bare,
[1:08:53] Speaker 4: but over in another area they were fine, and just
[1:08:57] Speaker 4: there was all kinds of just I want to say,
[1:09:00] Speaker 4: at that time, I felt like its weird, but you
[1:09:04] Speaker 4: just got used to it, you know. You learned to
[1:09:06] Speaker 4: listen for the not she learned to listen for wolves.
[1:09:10] Speaker 4: If you heard any of that, you didn't, you know,
[1:09:14] Speaker 4: stay in that area. You moved. And while I was young,
[1:09:18] Speaker 4: the first time I actually saw one, my grandmother, myself
[1:09:21] Speaker 4: and her best friend, who was a debout Christian, never
[1:09:25] Speaker 4: said bad words, didn't do anything wrong. You know, I
[1:09:28] Speaker 4: didn't think she would be the type to believe in
[1:09:29] Speaker 4: a big foot. We were out on this one ridge.
[1:09:33] Speaker 4: It was really way back into the woods, i'd say
[1:09:35] Speaker 4: two to three miles, almost to the lake. And we
[1:09:39] Speaker 4: were standing there and we looked across the haller and
[1:09:45] Speaker 4: I saw something up in the cave a crossman holler
[1:09:48] Speaker 4: and the bluff, and she was standing there beside me
[1:09:51] Speaker 4: looking in that direction. I'm like, do you see what
[1:09:54] Speaker 4: I see? Because I wasn't going to tell her if
[1:09:55] Speaker 4: she wasn't going to say I wasn't seeing. I knew
[1:09:58] Speaker 4: what I was seeing was there was a big foot
[1:10:00] Speaker 4: standing there. And she goes, yeah, I think that's a bigfoot.
[1:10:04] Speaker 4: And I was like, it is a bigfoot and she goes,
[1:10:06] Speaker 4: it's looking at us I'm like, yoahn. She goes, we
[1:10:08] Speaker 4: might need to, you know, move out this area where
[1:10:12] Speaker 4: they can't see us, because it was just staring at us.
[1:10:15] Speaker 4: There was a bigger one, and then when we were
[1:10:18] Speaker 4: moving backwards, we glanced back and there was two others,
[1:10:21] Speaker 4: two smaller ones up in there. And we went to
[1:10:24] Speaker 4: go find my grandmother and bring her over to show her,
[1:10:28] Speaker 4: and they were gone. At that point, my grandmother goes,
[1:10:30] Speaker 4: we need to leave. And as I got older, my
[1:10:33] Speaker 4: grandmother said that she had been taught when she was
[1:10:36] Speaker 4: little that you just if you hear them or see
[1:10:40] Speaker 4: something of them, leave, just go back to where you came.
[1:10:44] Speaker 4: They won't bother you as long as you're not messing
[1:10:47] Speaker 4: with them or in the area where they're at. You
[1:10:49] Speaker 4: would get you would get used to steeing like tree
[1:10:53] Speaker 4: limbs that are too high up for a person to
[1:10:56] Speaker 4: knock down or pull down. I would say pull because
[1:11:00] Speaker 4: it didn't really look like they were oct over. It
[1:11:01] Speaker 4: looked like they were deliberately broken along paths, and it
[1:11:05] Speaker 4: looked like they were a long game paths where you
[1:11:08] Speaker 4: would see the deers and stuff come through.
[1:11:11] Speaker 2: I know.
[1:11:11] Speaker 4: The one thing I did notice was there's a huge
[1:11:14] Speaker 4: spring down down on the Grand Lake. It's called the
[1:11:19] Speaker 4: Great Spring. The Indians used it because it was a
[1:11:24] Speaker 4: wonderful water source. The water there so pure and fresh tasting.
[1:11:29] Speaker 4: It's amazing. But you could always see where they were
[1:11:33] Speaker 4: around it. You could see the footprints of it, and
[1:11:36] Speaker 4: they would footprints would go back up the hills and
[1:11:40] Speaker 4: you could when you got down. There's just a different
[1:11:43] Speaker 4: feeling in that area. It's like you felt that they
[1:11:46] Speaker 4: were watching to see what you were going to do.
[1:11:50] Speaker 4: But I was never really scared of them because it
[1:11:54] Speaker 4: just wentn't something. It was just out, they're here, pay
[1:11:59] Speaker 4: attention for him. You know. They would get loud at night.
[1:12:07] Speaker 4: You know, you could hear them in the knocks and
[1:12:09] Speaker 4: the woofs really loud during the summertimes. Fallen winter wasn't
[1:12:13] Speaker 4: too bad, but summer was the main time we heard them.
[1:12:17] Speaker 4: And we'd see glimpses here there and yonder through the years.
[1:12:23] Speaker 4: You would just see like silhouettes of them.
[1:12:27] Speaker 1: The footprints that you saw over the years. How how
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: long would you estimate those footprints to be?
[1:12:35] Speaker 4: Goodness, definitely bigger, bigger than size thirteen. Okay, wow, some
[1:12:42] Speaker 4: smaller there. I had seen some through the years, it
[1:12:45] Speaker 4: was probably I would say about a woman's size four
[1:12:50] Speaker 4: or five, you know, like they were young, but the
[1:12:54] Speaker 4: big ones were definitely over thirteen. Yeah, like at twelve
[1:12:58] Speaker 4: or thirteen. My kids boys were twelves, and they were
[1:13:02] Speaker 4: definitely bigger than that.
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: The area that we're talking about, this Grand Lake area,
[1:13:08] Speaker 1: Whatke County is that.
[1:13:10] Speaker 4: It's in Delaware County. Grand Lake its Cherokees is the
[1:13:16] Speaker 4: lake was actually built. They call it Grand Lake of
[1:13:19] Speaker 4: the Cherokees because it was actually built over the Cherokee
[1:13:22] Speaker 4: Indians where they burial mountains are or used to be.
[1:13:27] Speaker 4: They tried to get as many up and moved as
[1:13:30] Speaker 4: they could, but they did miss some and so they
[1:13:32] Speaker 4: just can't come refer to it as Grand Lake over
[1:13:35] Speaker 4: the Cherokees, and then they shortened it through the years
[1:13:38] Speaker 4: to Grand like the Cherokee. That's what I was told
[1:13:40] Speaker 4: by my grandmother who was actually there when the lake
[1:13:42] Speaker 4: was built. The original town is still under the water.
[1:13:49] Speaker 4: They just literally flooded it. Once they built out where
[1:13:52] Speaker 4: they wanted the lake to go, they flooded over it.
[1:13:57] Speaker 1: I'm assuming there's been a ton of big Foot sightings
[1:14:01] Speaker 1: beside yours in that area as well.
[1:14:03] Speaker 4: Yes, yes, my sister in law experienced them through the years.
[1:14:07] Speaker 4: My nephews have, my cousins. If you go out into
[1:14:11] Speaker 4: the woods hunting up there, you're gonna hear them if
[1:14:14] Speaker 4: you don't see them. Just last year, there was a
[1:14:17] Speaker 4: woman on Facebook. She's like, what in the world am
[1:14:19] Speaker 4: I hearing? She goes it sounds like weird Indian drums
[1:14:22] Speaker 4: and we're all like, okay, that's just the big foots knocking.
[1:14:26] Speaker 4: You know, I'll just leave it alone. They'll be fine.
[1:14:29] Speaker 4: You're not gonna die, It's okay. Because she was freaking
[1:14:32] Speaker 4: out about it, she thought something really strange is going on.
[1:14:36] Speaker 4: I think my grandmother said she first remember hearing about
[1:14:40] Speaker 4: them as early as when.
[1:14:45] Speaker 2: Some of her.
[1:14:46] Speaker 4: Ancestors had settled in the area and they come off
[1:14:48] Speaker 4: the trailott hears, and she said it was just, you know,
[1:14:53] Speaker 4: they've always been there. She felt like, I know. There's
[1:14:57] Speaker 4: one thing I noticed was weird to me was we
[1:15:01] Speaker 4: had actually seen one time one year we went out
[1:15:05] Speaker 4: and there was a cabin. It used to be an
[1:15:09] Speaker 4: old bootlegg cabin. Bootleggers would stay in it and did
[1:15:16] Speaker 4: their little moonshine stills and stuff in there. Anyway, I
[1:15:19] Speaker 4: was out there exploring one day and I thought, oh,
[1:15:22] Speaker 4: my going and see, you know what's in this thing.
[1:15:24] Speaker 4: I go inside and there's a big nest in the building.
[1:15:29] Speaker 4: Like they had actually discovered they could use the building
[1:15:33] Speaker 4: as protection from the elements, and they built a big
[1:15:36] Speaker 4: nest in there. And it stunk so bad. Oh my goodness,
[1:15:41] Speaker 4: did it stink. I remember coming out there thinking, oh,
[1:15:44] Speaker 4: that's where's I skunk. It was so bad because the
[1:15:48] Speaker 4: smell is just I don't even know how to describe it.
[1:15:52] Speaker 4: It's just awful. And even today where I live at now,
[1:15:57] Speaker 4: if I hear if I am out and I smell that,
[1:15:59] Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, they're around here somewhere, because once you
[1:16:02] Speaker 4: smell it, you don't forget it.
[1:16:05] Speaker 1: What materials were was the nest made out.
[1:16:07] Speaker 4: Of brush leaves mainly. I think there was a little
[1:16:14] Speaker 4: bit of maybe pine stuff in it. That was mostly
[1:16:18] Speaker 4: brush and leaves. I would say about the size of
[1:16:24] Speaker 4: the love seats, and Diane in like with, yeah, yeah,
[1:16:33] Speaker 4: it was decent sized. It was a decent sized thing,
[1:16:38] Speaker 4: and I thought it was cool. But once I told
[1:16:40] Speaker 4: my grandmother, She's like, Nope, you're staying out there.
[1:16:43] Speaker 1: So this is a weird one. But did you get
[1:16:46] Speaker 1: close enough to see what specific type of brush was
[1:16:49] Speaker 1: used in the nest?
[1:16:51] Speaker 4: To me, it looked like young oak saplings, okay, brush
[1:16:58] Speaker 4: because up in that area is mainly the brush would
[1:17:02] Speaker 4: be oak or walnut about that material. That's mainly what's out.
[1:17:11] Speaker 4: There's oak and walnut trees, some elm, but not much.
[1:17:17] Speaker 4: But that's what looked like it was. And then, like
[1:17:19] Speaker 4: I said, the pine, there was pine needles and they
[1:17:23] Speaker 4: might have took some pine limbs off.
[1:17:28] Speaker 2: Wow.
[1:17:29] Speaker 1: So that that's very very interesting, especially the part where
[1:17:34] Speaker 1: it's inside.
[1:17:36] Speaker 4: See, that's what threw me was because before then I
[1:17:39] Speaker 4: had seen, you know, where you could tell where they
[1:17:41] Speaker 4: had not trees over to kind of make a protection.
[1:17:45] Speaker 4: And I know that they have been in the caves
[1:17:49] Speaker 4: from seeing the one the cave obviously, but also the
[1:17:53] Speaker 4: Great Spring has a cave behind it, and it was
[1:17:55] Speaker 4: common knowledge that something large lived in there, and you
[1:17:58] Speaker 4: didn't go in there, and so we're like, okay, what
[1:18:04] Speaker 4: would be in there that's large? And I asked one
[1:18:07] Speaker 4: of my cousins, I'm like, well, is it the panther?
[1:18:10] Speaker 4: And he goes, no, it's not the panther, Like oh, okay,
[1:18:13] Speaker 4: And I left at that because I knew what he
[1:18:15] Speaker 4: was talking about. It's not the panther.
[1:18:17] Speaker 1: The legend was that people would see a large creature
[1:18:20] Speaker 1: then and in that area of the cave.
[1:18:23] Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yep, they would hit in the cave. I think.
[1:18:28] Speaker 4: I don't know who, but there was a story that
[1:18:30] Speaker 4: I heard from my dad that some kids went down
[1:18:34] Speaker 4: in there and came hauling that out and never went back.
[1:18:37] Speaker 2: Wow.
[1:18:38] Speaker 4: So I'm like, I didn't try it myself because I
[1:18:41] Speaker 4: can't swim, so I was not to get to the cave.
[1:18:44] Speaker 4: You have to go through the water and obviously I
[1:18:46] Speaker 4: wasn't going to do that if I can't swim, because
[1:18:48] Speaker 4: it's a very deep spring. Oh it's a natural spring.
[1:18:51] Speaker 1: Yes, so I get it now. So in order this
[1:18:55] Speaker 1: is a cave behind the waterfall, you had to swim
[1:18:57] Speaker 1: through the waterfall.
[1:18:58] Speaker 4: Oh no, there's no waterfall. Oh, there's no waterfall. It's
[1:19:01] Speaker 4: a big spring about the size oh goodness of a
[1:19:06] Speaker 4: thirty but thirty house. It's that big around. I mean,
[1:19:10] Speaker 4: it's a huge spring and it fed into Grand Lake
[1:19:14] Speaker 4: and behind it was the cave, and you'd have to
[1:19:16] Speaker 4: go through the spring to get up into the cave.
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's wild. When you had the sighting, were
[1:19:27] Speaker 1: you close enough that you were able to notice any
[1:19:30] Speaker 1: details about what you saw.
[1:19:32] Speaker 4: Or I could just tell that one of them was tall,
[1:19:36] Speaker 4: you know, very tall, and then two smaller ones. I
[1:19:40] Speaker 4: could tell that they did have the long hair. It
[1:19:43] Speaker 4: looked like reddish brown to me. But I was a
[1:19:48] Speaker 4: holler away from them. I couldn't tell close up features,
[1:19:51] Speaker 4: but you could tell what they were because it was daytime.
[1:19:55] Speaker 4: It was like maybe about six It got out there
[1:20:02] Speaker 4: about seven thirty. It was probably it was mid mornings.
[1:20:07] Speaker 4: It's probably about ten or eleven when we saw them,
[1:20:11] Speaker 4: because I remember after that she's like, we're coming home
[1:20:14] Speaker 4: and it's a long walk back out and it's on
[1:20:19] Speaker 4: an old wagon trail.
[1:20:26] Speaker 1: Have there ever been any reports in that area of
[1:20:29] Speaker 1: aggressive encounters.
[1:20:34] Speaker 4: I've heard of some, but I don't know if it
[1:20:38] Speaker 4: was actual. I don't think they were physical, but they
[1:20:44] Speaker 4: were scary.
[1:20:45] Speaker 2: I know.
[1:20:45] Speaker 4: I've heard of hunters coming out just scared to death
[1:20:48] Speaker 4: of something they've heard or seen in there, but they
[1:20:50] Speaker 4: won't talk about it. We've noticed dogs, the hunting dogs
[1:20:54] Speaker 4: would come hauling out for no apparent reason. You can
[1:21:01] Speaker 4: tell when there's they're around two. Because you don't hear
[1:21:04] Speaker 4: as much wildlife. It's like the wildlife stays more quiet.
[1:21:12] Speaker 1: Does anyone ever poor any like weird communication or hearing
[1:21:19] Speaker 1: any like language type stuff or anything I've gotten in
[1:21:23] Speaker 1: the area.
[1:21:26] Speaker 4: I hadn't heard anything. I don't know if anyone else
[1:21:31] Speaker 4: has on that. They've never really said. I know most
[1:21:34] Speaker 4: of what we heard was always just the whoops and
[1:21:38] Speaker 4: the knocks. Now, when you could hear some knocks, you'd
[1:21:42] Speaker 4: hear like a series of knocks followed by whoops, and
[1:21:46] Speaker 4: then they'd knock again, and you could tell they're becoming
[1:21:49] Speaker 4: from different areas. You know, you could tell if you
[1:21:55] Speaker 4: stand out there and listen, you could tell like if
[1:21:57] Speaker 4: once to the right of you and then there from
[1:22:00] Speaker 4: left they would respond.
[1:22:02] Speaker 1: Okay, So you had situations where you were having multiple
[1:22:06] Speaker 1: talking to or yes, something communicating through knock patterns all
[1:22:11] Speaker 1: around you.
[1:22:13] Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah, that's common, especially in the early evenings.
[1:22:19] Speaker 4: I was always out in the woods. They're definitely up there.
[1:22:23] Speaker 4: They travel through this area regularly. I know today they
[1:22:27] Speaker 4: still have people here in them and seeing them and.
[1:22:31] Speaker 1: Just so listeners know what we're looking at here. So
[1:22:35] Speaker 1: we're in the northeast corner of Oklahoma here, which is
[1:22:39] Speaker 1: over by the Ozarks, right.
[1:22:42] Speaker 4: Yeah, there's areas where it's very heavily wooded, not a
[1:22:44] Speaker 4: lot of people. There's cave you know, caves that go
[1:22:50] Speaker 4: distances in there. I know it's closed up now, but
[1:22:55] Speaker 4: they're used to be a cave that did run from
[1:23:01] Speaker 4: what is now Grove and come out on the south
[1:23:05] Speaker 4: side of Grove up on a hill and you can
[1:23:07] Speaker 4: actually when the water goes down you can see the
[1:23:09] Speaker 4: one cave entrance.
[1:23:11] Speaker 2: Wow.
[1:23:11] Speaker 4: But the other side is now under a parking lot.
[1:23:15] Speaker 4: So I know the caves run through, and that could
[1:23:19] Speaker 4: be one way where they're getting from one area to
[1:23:21] Speaker 4: the other is through the caves. And I know there's
[1:23:24] Speaker 4: caves in there people have not been in because they're
[1:23:27] Speaker 4: up on hillsides or they're just too far to get
[1:23:32] Speaker 4: to very easily.
[1:23:35] Speaker 1: There's a question I want to ask you, mainly for
[1:23:38] Speaker 1: just my own curiosity because of the geography of the area,
[1:23:42] Speaker 1: that this is a factor I'd seen come up in
[1:23:45] Speaker 1: different areas that are like yours. Are there also reports
[1:23:49] Speaker 1: of other things besides Bigfoot that would also be considered
[1:23:55] Speaker 1: similar creatures in that scenaria.
[1:23:58] Speaker 4: There's ski laes.
[1:24:00] Speaker 1: What's that.
[1:24:02] Speaker 4: Ascily is like a little they call them little people. Okay,
[1:24:07] Speaker 4: but there's little creatures. You'll hear them, see them occasionally.
[1:24:12] Speaker 4: There is definitely a lot of paranormal activity, ghost lies,
[1:24:18] Speaker 4: that's just something else you get used to seeing and hearing.
[1:24:22] Speaker 4: That's just part of it. There's panthers up in there,
[1:24:29] Speaker 4: there's black panthers, there's haven't I personally haven't seen any
[1:24:42] Speaker 4: aliens up in there, but you know, I've heard a
[1:24:44] Speaker 4: couple of people say, swhear they've seen them.
[1:24:48] Speaker 2: I do know.
[1:24:48] Speaker 4: You know, you see weird bites occasionally. That just something
[1:24:55] Speaker 4: that's unexplained.
[1:24:57] Speaker 1: Those are all things that I was not expecting to
[1:25:00] Speaker 1: just come up. That's that's pretty intense.
[1:25:03] Speaker 4: I grew up, I grew up around there, so I'm
[1:25:05] Speaker 4: used to it, you know, I'm used to. I live
[1:25:08] Speaker 4: in a haunted house, I'm used to.
[1:25:09] Speaker 1: Okay, what was it like growing up in an area
[1:25:11] Speaker 1: where there's everything from little people to ghosts, to black panthers, aliens, bigfoot?
[1:25:17] Speaker 4: For me, it was normal. Okay, for me, it was
[1:25:20] Speaker 4: absolutely normal because I was just raised up that it's
[1:25:24] Speaker 4: part of what's up there. You know, it's just around.
[1:25:27] Speaker 4: You accept it, and they won't mess with you if
[1:25:30] Speaker 4: you don't mess with them, you know, if you don't
[1:25:35] Speaker 4: show no aggression towards them, or you know, and you
[1:25:37] Speaker 4: knowledge they're there, then you're fine. Yeah, that's just why
[1:25:42] Speaker 4: my grandmother taught me. And so I've never I've always
[1:25:45] Speaker 4: had the acceptance of it. So it's not like I
[1:25:47] Speaker 4: moved in I'm like, oh, no, what am I dealing with.
[1:25:51] Speaker 4: I always knew what I was dealing with, and so
[1:25:53] Speaker 4: it never bothered me. I mean, I ran free all
[1:25:56] Speaker 4: over those woods, and I was a kid grown up
[1:25:59] Speaker 4: in the eighties and I was all over the place
[1:26:03] Speaker 4: up in there. Never phase me a bit to be
[1:26:04] Speaker 4: out in the middle of nowhere by myself with them.
[1:26:06] Speaker 4: Even today, you know, you just you accept it and deal.
[1:26:11] Speaker 2: With it and go on.
[1:26:13] Speaker 1: Did you ever have any interactions with the Skeees that.
[1:26:17] Speaker 2: You know of?
[1:26:18] Speaker 4: No? No, Thankfully they chose to leave me alone because
[1:26:22] Speaker 4: they're achievous little things. But my cousins have told stories
[1:26:25] Speaker 4: about them, you know, stealing their stuff and putting it
[1:26:27] Speaker 4: in different spots or terrorizing them. But thankfully they chose
[1:26:33] Speaker 4: to leave me alone. I think it's just because I'm like,
[1:26:35] Speaker 4: you know whatever, right, is.
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: This another name for the fay?
[1:26:38] Speaker 2: Do you think?
[1:26:39] Speaker 1: Have you ever heard that term?
[1:26:40] Speaker 4: I think so. I believe so. I believe so because
[1:26:42] Speaker 4: skeely is an Indian term from what I've understood, and
[1:26:46] Speaker 4: so it very well could be. To me that it
[1:26:49] Speaker 4: makes perfect sense.
[1:26:51] Speaker 1: Okay, So you mentioned you have you've lived with in
[1:26:57] Speaker 1: a haunted house, which is I'm sure you have all
[1:27:01] Speaker 1: sorts of weird stories to do with that.
[1:27:05] Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got well, I've lived
[1:27:10] Speaker 4: in hont house grown up through the years, we've lived
[1:27:12] Speaker 4: them on the one ware and Nail is currently haunted,
[1:27:14] Speaker 4: so yeah, it's done. While I was growing up with
[1:27:21] Speaker 4: the where we lived at was on the old wagon trail,
[1:27:26] Speaker 4: it was on the actual settlers trail. My family farm
[1:27:30] Speaker 4: was one of the first farms actually put as a
[1:27:34] Speaker 4: farm when Indians got land, and there was numerous areas
[1:27:41] Speaker 4: where you could have cold spots or you'd see just
[1:27:43] Speaker 4: a white figure. There was an old cabin that was
[1:27:49] Speaker 4: it had to have had something to do with cowboys
[1:27:56] Speaker 4: or something, because when it's rainy nights and thunder storm
[1:28:00] Speaker 4: and if you stand outside where the cabin used to be,
[1:28:03] Speaker 4: you can hear the bottles clanking, and you can hear
[1:28:08] Speaker 4: it sounds like they're playing cards. And you can't hear
[1:28:11] Speaker 4: what they're saying, but you hear the chatter the little mummers.
[1:28:15] Speaker 4: You can't make up what they're saying, but you can
[1:28:16] Speaker 4: hear them. And then also in that same area, and
[1:28:20] Speaker 4: this is also, you know, this is all in the
[1:28:22] Speaker 4: same area where you've had the sightings and stuff, there's
[1:28:25] Speaker 4: an Indian. You'll see an Indian. He's got a headdress
[1:28:29] Speaker 4: on and he's tall, very solemn looking. But we call
[1:28:37] Speaker 4: him the Guardian because he'll watch you while you're out
[1:28:39] Speaker 4: in the woods and you'll see him ever so often,
[1:28:41] Speaker 4: and it's just like he's there making sure you get
[1:28:43] Speaker 4: in and out of the woods. Okay, he just said,
[1:28:47] Speaker 4: so watch just so. We just call him the Guardian.
[1:28:49] Speaker 4: That's what my cousins and I grew up calling him.
[1:28:51] Speaker 1: And you've seen that yourself personally, Yes, how tall would
[1:28:55] Speaker 1: you say?
[1:28:56] Speaker 2: That is?
[1:28:57] Speaker 4: About six foot? Yeah, five eight to six foot, very tall,
[1:29:03] Speaker 4: very solemn, weathered face. You know, even through even though
[1:29:10] Speaker 4: it was you know, obviously white, you could still see
[1:29:13] Speaker 4: the weathering. You could still tell he was very old.
[1:29:18] Speaker 1: When you say that there are reports of aliens in
[1:29:21] Speaker 1: this area. Are you saying more like UFO encounters or
[1:29:24] Speaker 1: there's actually like aliens being seen.
[1:29:29] Speaker 4: Well, the two guys I went to high school with
[1:29:31] Speaker 4: swear they saw Yova. They swear to goodness they saw Yova.
[1:29:36] Speaker 4: Whether they did or not, I don't know, but they
[1:29:39] Speaker 4: were definitely serious about it. And from where I grew
[1:29:44] Speaker 4: up it would.
[1:29:45] Speaker 2: Have been.
[1:29:47] Speaker 4: About halfway going into growth up been another really wooded area,
[1:29:55] Speaker 4: which that area itself is kind of crazy. It's got
[1:30:00] Speaker 4: weird activity. There's a cemetery up there that has the
[1:30:05] Speaker 4: grave of stan Waiti from the Cherokees, and it's said
[1:30:10] Speaker 4: that if you go to his grave at night and
[1:30:13] Speaker 4: you listen, you can hear a fiddle band play. I've
[1:30:17] Speaker 4: not got to hear it, but I've had friends that's
[1:30:19] Speaker 4: told me they've heard it, and there's just some very
[1:30:22] Speaker 4: weird stuff over in that area as well.
[1:30:24] Speaker 1: I can only imagine there's there's got to be. Are
[1:30:26] Speaker 1: there situations where these different players have been seen in
[1:30:33] Speaker 1: the same location, Like skily activity with aliens, do they
[1:30:38] Speaker 1: cross over or are they usually separate?
[1:30:41] Speaker 4: I don't know on that part, but I do know
[1:30:44] Speaker 4: that if you go out in the area where the
[1:30:46] Speaker 4: bigfoots route generally were at when I was younger, you
[1:30:50] Speaker 4: would definitely have some other activity, well, skila wise or
[1:30:54] Speaker 4: just other weird. I can't really describe it as anything
[1:30:58] Speaker 4: but weird, because you'd feel audensation that went from the
[1:31:02] Speaker 4: big Foot, but you couldn't quite place it at times.
[1:31:06] Speaker 1: The funny thing is when they just started talking about
[1:31:09] Speaker 1: whatever you just said, the phone did some really weird stuff,
[1:31:12] Speaker 1: like someone was trying to mess around with the phone.
[1:31:15] Speaker 1: Do you mind repeating that what they would do.
[1:31:20] Speaker 4: Like the skies, Well yeah, okay, Well from what my
[1:31:26] Speaker 4: cousin said, they'll either pull pranks on you, or they
[1:31:29] Speaker 4: will terrorize you, like pick on you like peck on
[1:31:32] Speaker 4: your shoulder but no one's there, or they take your
[1:31:34] Speaker 4: stuff and move it from one spot to another. Yeah,
[1:31:37] Speaker 4: especially if you were outside doing something outside, you'd have
[1:31:40] Speaker 4: a tool besides you. You turn around, look and it's gone,
[1:31:43] Speaker 4: and then it'd be way over in another spot. That
[1:31:47] Speaker 4: happened to my cousins a lot. I was very thankful
[1:31:49] Speaker 4: they left me alone.
[1:31:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'm sure that stuff like this that
[1:31:53] Speaker 1: was happening to your cousins out there that would probably
[1:31:55] Speaker 1: follow them home, I'm kissing.
[1:31:58] Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, sometimes I do know that. There was
[1:32:02] Speaker 4: one time where one summer there was a weird big
[1:32:06] Speaker 4: foot coming through. And I say weird because this one
[1:32:10] Speaker 4: would actually come up and like steering your windows and
[1:32:16] Speaker 4: rattle doors, and it terrorized my nephew's something awful and
[1:32:21] Speaker 4: entire summer, to the point where they would sleep in
[1:32:23] Speaker 4: the hallway with their bedroom doors shut, refusing to go
[1:32:26] Speaker 4: in the rooms after dark.
[1:32:30] Speaker 3: It was so bad.
[1:32:30] Speaker 4: And they lived just down the road from me. We
[1:32:33] Speaker 4: found hamprints that would have been in ninety four, Okay, yeah,
[1:32:38] Speaker 4: because I was pregnant with my first one, so yeah,
[1:32:42] Speaker 4: ninety four ninety five, somewhere right in that area.
[1:32:45] Speaker 2: Oh wow.
[1:32:45] Speaker 1: And you were saying the handprints were being found around
[1:32:48] Speaker 1: the houses as well.
[1:32:49] Speaker 4: Yes, on the yes, we could. We found handprints on
[1:32:52] Speaker 4: the window a couple of times. And then our neighbors.
[1:32:56] Speaker 4: The neighbor next to them, had been hearing weird stuff
[1:33:01] Speaker 4: at night, and her dogs were scared to go out.
[1:33:03] Speaker 4: They wouldn't even leave the yard and usually them things
[1:33:06] Speaker 4: ran all over hell in creation, cows would be clustered
[1:33:11] Speaker 4: more than normal. So it was definitely weird that year.
[1:33:16] Speaker 4: And that's why we just thought it was a weird one.
[1:33:18] Speaker 4: You know, he was more aggressive than others, but he
[1:33:21] Speaker 4: never actually, you know, hurt anyone, but he was sure
[1:33:24] Speaker 4: terrorizing people.
[1:33:27] Speaker 1: The one I wanted to ask you about specifically, were
[1:33:32] Speaker 1: there ever any reports of dog man in that area?
[1:33:38] Speaker 4: I don't remember any dog man, I do know. I
[1:33:47] Speaker 4: could never get her to describe it, but my daughter
[1:33:50] Speaker 4: was terrorized by what she called the shadow man, and
[1:33:58] Speaker 4: we spent and this was something and again that different
[1:34:01] Speaker 4: kids in the area once we got to asking around,
[1:34:04] Speaker 4: had experienced this thing just terrorizing them, and it was
[1:34:09] Speaker 4: it was scared them to the point they would not
[1:34:12] Speaker 4: leave their parents' side. I mean, we spent six months
[1:34:15] Speaker 4: with her right next to us, inside and out, because
[1:34:19] Speaker 4: she swore it could get her. But she would never
[1:34:23] Speaker 4: describe it to us, and none of the other kids
[1:34:26] Speaker 4: had seen it would describe it to us as well.
[1:34:29] Speaker 4: So we don't know for sure what that was. But
[1:34:32] Speaker 4: you could you could feel when you could feel when
[1:34:35] Speaker 4: it was around, because it felt it literally felt evil.
[1:34:40] Speaker 4: It felt like it was the worst thing, and you
[1:34:42] Speaker 4: would get really bad, like something bad's going to happen feelings.
[1:34:47] Speaker 4: That's why we thought of it.
[1:34:48] Speaker 1: As evil, so they wouldn't say what it was like.
[1:34:52] Speaker 4: They wouldn't give us a description. Okay, they wouldn't tell
[1:34:55] Speaker 4: us anything.
[1:34:56] Speaker 2: Wow.
[1:34:59] Speaker 4: Yeah, And the only time any of us ever saw
[1:35:02] Speaker 4: it was we caught a glimpse once my cousin and
[1:35:05] Speaker 4: I because we had raced home. A bunch of the
[1:35:08] Speaker 4: teenagers have been home alone and they had seen it
[1:35:10] Speaker 4: in a freak to called us. And we got there
[1:35:13] Speaker 4: and you could see something with red eyes. But that's
[1:35:19] Speaker 4: all we could tell was the red eyes. It was
[1:35:21] Speaker 4: total blackness.
[1:35:25] Speaker 1: Were the red eyes higher up or low to the
[1:35:28] Speaker 1: ground or no?
[1:35:29] Speaker 4: No, they were like maybe I would say maybe five
[1:35:34] Speaker 4: four five five, They weren't, you know, they wouldn't be
[1:35:40] Speaker 4: higher up. They wouldn't to me. It didn't look like
[1:35:43] Speaker 4: it would be a height for anything else. It was
[1:35:46] Speaker 4: definitely weird though. The eyes were definitely weird.
[1:35:50] Speaker 1: Wow, there's some some really strange things going on in
[1:35:54] Speaker 1: this Delaware County area.
[1:35:56] Speaker 4: Yes, Delaware County definitely has activity. Oh in this area
[1:36:00] Speaker 4: of Oklahoma really does. Mace County, where I'm at now,
[1:36:04] Speaker 4: is definitely weird and unusual stuff as well. I mean
[1:36:09] Speaker 4: there's been I've had a big foot sighting down here
[1:36:13] Speaker 4: that this was where my husband actually saw his first bigfoot.
[1:36:18] Speaker 4: There's a story of from back in the fifties that
[1:36:25] Speaker 4: the Army Corps of Engineers actually had a fight with
[1:36:28] Speaker 4: big foots before they built one of the dams down here. Really, yeah,
[1:36:37] Speaker 4: you'd have to give me a couple of days to
[1:36:38] Speaker 4: find my information on that, but I've got some information
[1:36:40] Speaker 4: on it that I have saved from what a friend
[1:36:46] Speaker 4: sent me about it. The story is is that they
[1:36:50] Speaker 4: told them forced them to move, and if they didn't
[1:36:53] Speaker 4: move then they were going to be killed, and they
[1:36:56] Speaker 4: flooded the area. And now that's Spavana Dam is.
[1:37:00] Speaker 1: Now you know, you've got all the time you need
[1:37:02] Speaker 1: because I've never heard of that one. That sounds really interesting.
[1:37:05] Speaker 4: Well, I'll definitely get I'll definitely get the information together
[1:37:08] Speaker 4: for you because that's one of those ones I'm like, ooh,
[1:37:11] Speaker 4: I want to, you know, dig into that myself. But
[1:37:15] Speaker 4: there's all kinds of activity. As I said, there's an
[1:37:22] Speaker 4: option over here on Highway for twelve and my husband
[1:37:26] Speaker 4: and I were there late one evening and all of
[1:37:28] Speaker 4: a sudden he comes running up to our vehicle and
[1:37:31] Speaker 4: he's like, get the kids loaded. Let's get out of here.
[1:37:33] Speaker 4: Let's get out of here. And I'm like, why, what's
[1:37:35] Speaker 4: going on? I noticed the cows were movment, but I
[1:37:37] Speaker 4: have been distracted with kids, so I didn't pay much attention. Well,
[1:37:43] Speaker 4: I glanced up when he said that, and he goes
[1:37:46] Speaker 4: about the time he's telling me, I'm seeing there's, you know,
[1:37:50] Speaker 4: familiar silhouette walking across the field. He goes, I just
[1:37:54] Speaker 4: saw something literally cross that creek in one step. I
[1:37:59] Speaker 4: was like, you may have stepped once into the Greek
[1:38:01] Speaker 4: and he goes, no, he goes, it stood on one
[1:38:03] Speaker 4: side and stepped across to together. We're getting out of here,
[1:38:07] Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, you just saw a big but
[1:38:09] Speaker 4: that's not because that's right there and we had to
[1:38:12] Speaker 4: leave immediately. And up to that point he had never
[1:38:14] Speaker 4: believed in it, but after that he's like, Okay, yep,
[1:38:18] Speaker 4: I'm a believer. I'm a believer.
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely, that's the same county area as Delaware.
[1:38:26] Speaker 4: No, it's a it's a county over Okay. Yeah, it's
[1:38:31] Speaker 4: just they're connecting counties.
[1:38:33] Speaker 1: Very very interesting. If you don't mind me asking, do
[1:38:36] Speaker 1: you have any Native American heritage yourself?
[1:38:39] Speaker 4: Yes, I do I have cherokey dilare I'm pot of
[1:38:41] Speaker 4: autom Indian.
[1:38:41] Speaker 1: Okay, awesome. Wow, It's just I can almost you know,
[1:38:47] Speaker 1: when I when I do interviews like this, I can
[1:38:50] Speaker 1: almost bank on the person definitely has some some heritage.
[1:38:56] Speaker 1: I mean it's like every single time it's it's incredible.
[1:39:00] Speaker 1: I don't know quite what it is, but there's definitely
[1:39:02] Speaker 1: a connection there. I think.
[1:39:05] Speaker 4: I think it's because you know, with us having that background,
[1:39:10] Speaker 4: if you're raised up in it like I was, I
[1:39:13] Speaker 4: was taught the old ways and whatnot, that you're more
[1:39:17] Speaker 4: accepting of it and you're more open to it. Yeah,
[1:39:20] Speaker 4: so it doesn't bother you as much.
[1:39:24] Speaker 1: Oh, I agree. I think once you know what to
[1:39:26] Speaker 1: look for, you you're going to start to see stuff
[1:39:29] Speaker 1: for sure.
[1:39:30] Speaker 4: Oh yes, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. And I tell my kids
[1:39:37] Speaker 4: when they're out in the woods, I'm like, okay, keep
[1:39:38] Speaker 4: an eye out. You know, if you hear this or
[1:39:39] Speaker 4: you spell this, you need to be watching and just
[1:39:43] Speaker 4: leave them alone.
[1:39:44] Speaker 1: The interview you kind of turn into something I wasn't expecting.
[1:39:46] Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot more going on in this area,
[1:39:49] Speaker 1: so we got a little bit distracted. But I think
[1:39:51] Speaker 1: it is definitely worth having the conversation. Are there also
[1:39:55] Speaker 1: other times that you've had what you think are Bigfoot
[1:39:58] Speaker 1: interactions in your life?
[1:40:00] Speaker 4: Yes, we were. Let's see, we had what year would
[1:40:05] Speaker 4: have been around two thousand, two thousand, two thousand, two
[1:40:14] Speaker 4: thousand and one, somewhere right in that area. I can't
[1:40:16] Speaker 4: remember exactly how old my third child was at that time.
[1:40:20] Speaker 4: We lived up on Coffeeville. I actually lived in South
[1:40:23] Speaker 4: Coffeeville on the Illinois River on a ranch, and so
[1:40:29] Speaker 4: we would go through the hayfield through this really thick
[1:40:33] Speaker 4: area of trees to go down to a river which
[1:40:36] Speaker 4: was actually the Illinois River for the kids to swim
[1:40:39] Speaker 4: and whatnot, and you would feel like you're just they're
[1:40:43] Speaker 4: just there watching you. And a couple of times it
[1:40:48] Speaker 4: made my husband so uncomfortable. He actually said we're leaving
[1:40:51] Speaker 4: now because of how intense the feeling felt. But one
[1:40:57] Speaker 4: night we were out there, there was a very bad
[1:41:00] Speaker 4: I'm coming in. We had fifteen hundred bales hey on
[1:41:02] Speaker 4: the ground, and so I was helping my husband hauled
[1:41:07] Speaker 4: hey in and my son goes, Mom, what's over there
[1:41:09] Speaker 4: in the woods? And I look and you could see
[1:41:13] Speaker 4: the outline of the of the bigfoot and edged the woods.
[1:41:19] Speaker 4: They were in enough where you couldn't see all of them,
[1:41:21] Speaker 4: but you could tell they were there, and you could
[1:41:23] Speaker 4: see its eyes and they're just watching. And when you
[1:41:28] Speaker 4: get closer to that area, it would like step closer
[1:41:32] Speaker 4: to where you're gonna it's going to come out into
[1:41:34] Speaker 4: the headlights, but not quite. And so I made them
[1:41:38] Speaker 4: a couple of the rounds getting haybales. My son kept
[1:41:41] Speaker 4: getting uneasy, so I pulled over and my husband's like,
[1:41:44] Speaker 4: what's going on. I showed him and he goes, okay,
[1:41:47] Speaker 4: he goes, i'll do that area. You just you know,
[1:41:51] Speaker 4: stay up this way because we didn't want to, you know,
[1:41:54] Speaker 4: scare my son. He was like three at the time,
[1:41:57] Speaker 4: and I was back up the way and then pretty
[1:42:01] Speaker 4: soon he's coming over. He goes, don't forget it, and
[1:42:03] Speaker 4: I'm like why and he goes, well, I just got
[1:42:06] Speaker 4: a rock throat at me. I'm like, okay, they threw
[1:42:08] Speaker 4: a rock and he goes, no, I've got a rock
[1:42:10] Speaker 4: throat at me and he held it up and it
[1:42:12] Speaker 4: was a decent sized, little little boulder and it was
[1:42:16] Speaker 4: like they were warning him to stay have that area.
[1:42:18] Speaker 4: So he actually did not get the Hay in that area.
[1:42:21] Speaker 4: He left it and I was like, well, I guess
[1:42:24] Speaker 4: they just don't want you over there, and he goes,
[1:42:26] Speaker 4: I guess not. And we left it and went home,
[1:42:29] Speaker 4: and then we went back out the next day and
[1:42:32] Speaker 4: it all you could see because of how bad the
[1:42:35] Speaker 4: storm was, well, you could tell something had been standing there,
[1:42:37] Speaker 4: but you couldn't tell any real footprints or anything, but
[1:42:40] Speaker 4: you could tell where it was sunk in from something standing.
[1:42:45] Speaker 2: That.
[1:42:45] Speaker 4: That's the only time I'd ever had anything that was
[1:42:48] Speaker 4: It wasn't even toward me, it was towards him, and
[1:42:50] Speaker 4: I think that he might have just got too close
[1:42:53] Speaker 4: for their comfort, and so they chunked the rock at him.
[1:42:57] Speaker 4: I told him, I was like, well, I told you
[1:42:58] Speaker 4: there's bigfoot around here. Just gotta watch them. And yeah.
[1:43:03] Speaker 1: Was that before or after his sighting?
[1:43:07] Speaker 4: After after? If you're in South Coffeeville, you're about fifteen
[1:43:11] Speaker 4: minutes from the border because once you get into Coffee
[1:43:14] Speaker 4: Bills when you hit the border, and it takes about
[1:43:16] Speaker 4: ten to fifteen minutes to get up in there. But
[1:43:19] Speaker 4: there's also if you get into looking to sidings, there's
[1:43:23] Speaker 4: a lot of sidings up in that area because the
[1:43:26] Speaker 4: river is one of the best places for them to
[1:43:28] Speaker 4: catch the fish. The Illinois has got some of the
[1:43:30] Speaker 4: best fishing there is.
[1:43:32] Speaker 1: Okay, the Illinois Illinois River gotcha. So a lot of
[1:43:35] Speaker 1: sightings along that interesting. I will have to look into
[1:43:40] Speaker 1: that for sure. I don't hear a lot from I'm
[1:43:43] Speaker 1: sure there is, but I've never gotten a lot from
[1:43:46] Speaker 1: that area of Kansas or Well.
[1:43:49] Speaker 4: Most people don't talk about it. You're That's the other
[1:43:52] Speaker 4: thing is you're taught not to talk about because people
[1:43:54] Speaker 4: think you're crazy. Yeah, Like I was taught from an
[1:43:57] Speaker 4: early age, don't go to school talking about any of
[1:43:59] Speaker 4: the because people are going to think you're crazy. You know,
[1:44:03] Speaker 4: something weird happens, just pass it off. Don't go, oh,
[1:44:05] Speaker 4: well that's a ghost. Oh that was weird. You're taught
[1:44:09] Speaker 4: not to talk of it. So it's just something you're
[1:44:14] Speaker 4: used to. You go out looking for it me personally,
[1:44:18] Speaker 4: any chance I get, I'm gonna go hunt. I'm gonna
[1:44:20] Speaker 4: go look, see if I can bind me a ghost
[1:44:22] Speaker 4: or see if I can do something. But most people,
[1:44:25] Speaker 4: they're taught not to acknowledge it. Yeah, my husband was.
[1:44:32] Speaker 1: Growing up or over your lifetime, do you ever remember
[1:44:36] Speaker 1: anyone saying Hey, I've got a I got a photo
[1:44:39] Speaker 1: a big foot. I got a video from a big foot.
[1:44:42] Speaker 1: I mean they probably wouldn't have said anything anyways, to
[1:44:44] Speaker 1: be honest, that's what it sounds like.
[1:44:45] Speaker 4: Unfortunately, not I know, my cousin tried one summer.
[1:44:48] Speaker 2: He was.
[1:44:50] Speaker 4: Dead set on getting one, but he he even put
[1:44:52] Speaker 4: Troe cams up and everything, but all he got was
[1:44:54] Speaker 4: a bunch of blurr and a lot of your So
[1:44:58] Speaker 4: I was like, well, you know, you're just not on
[1:45:00] Speaker 4: the right spot.
[1:45:01] Speaker 2: I guess.
[1:45:02] Speaker 4: He goes, no, I'm I'm near that, I'm across from
[1:45:05] Speaker 4: that cave where you set. And I was like, well,
[1:45:07] Speaker 4: I don't know. I guess they don't like you. It
[1:45:10] Speaker 4: was just harassing, you know, because he was he was
[1:45:13] Speaker 4: very determined to get a picture, but he never could
[1:45:16] Speaker 4: because we had come back and I told him what
[1:45:18] Speaker 4: we'd seen and so he was like, I'm gonna go
[1:45:20] Speaker 4: ski if I can find it. But he was never
[1:45:24] Speaker 4: able to. I know he had some sightings for the years,
[1:45:26] Speaker 4: but photograph wise, unfortunately, never got to get one.
[1:45:31] Speaker 1: Gotcha. Now, growing up in that area, was there ever,
[1:45:35] Speaker 1: was there a person where everyone be like, oh you
[1:45:39] Speaker 1: saw bigfoot? Go talk to this guy. He's kinda the
[1:45:41] Speaker 1: guy who's into and around here.
[1:45:43] Speaker 5: No, no, it was all you kept quiet about it, gotcha, okay, Yeah,
[1:45:49] Speaker 5: but it was old timers up in that area, and
[1:45:52] Speaker 5: it was people that had grew had grown up in
[1:45:54] Speaker 5: that area.
[1:45:55] Speaker 4: So it was just you know, it was common knowledge.
[1:45:59] Speaker 4: You know, it was common knowledge that they were there.
[1:46:04] Speaker 4: I have families still live up there. I know that
[1:46:07] Speaker 4: they still hear stuff, they still see stuff. I definitely
[1:46:13] Speaker 4: know down in the area where I grew up at
[1:46:15] Speaker 4: there is people having you know, hearing the knocks and
[1:46:18] Speaker 4: the woofs and stuff like that.
[1:46:22] Speaker 1: It's not an area a lot of people talk. I
[1:46:24] Speaker 1: think everyone's too distracted by Southeast Oklahoma.
[1:46:27] Speaker 4: You know, yes, yes, yes, And you know, if you
[1:46:31] Speaker 4: follow the river, the Illinois comes right up and then
[1:46:37] Speaker 4: the Grand is up here and the Grand River and
[1:46:40] Speaker 4: it all flows right up well, actually flows down from
[1:46:43] Speaker 4: all of the lakes because Grand Lake, the Cherokees, flows
[1:46:46] Speaker 4: down into Lakoucci, Lakuci flows down into Lake Hudson. You know,
[1:46:54] Speaker 4: they're all just connected and everything flows down through the rivers.
[1:46:57] Speaker 4: So it's not very hard to think. If you track it,
[1:47:02] Speaker 4: they can walk, you know, and go from one area
[1:47:07] Speaker 4: to the other during the different times of the year
[1:47:11] Speaker 4: for food, for where the fish are at, you know,
[1:47:14] Speaker 4: where the game's at. Yeah, it would make sense now,
[1:47:20] Speaker 4: like a natural migration.
[1:47:23] Speaker 1: Absolutely. The longer I talk to people about this, I
[1:47:29] Speaker 1: find that one of the common factors is there's usually
[1:47:33] Speaker 1: it's by a river, and you can just follow the
[1:47:37] Speaker 1: reports up and down. For example, I'm from Iowa. You
[1:47:40] Speaker 1: can just follow the reports up and down the Des
[1:47:43] Speaker 1: Moines River through southeast Iowa. It's incredible. It sounds like
[1:47:47] Speaker 1: it's a very similar thing down there.
[1:47:50] Speaker 4: Yes, it is, because if you look at the geography
[1:47:55] Speaker 4: of the area and then you look at the sidings,
[1:47:57] Speaker 4: there's not a lot of sightings out in the western
[1:47:59] Speaker 4: parts of Oklahoma because there's not as much river, there's
[1:48:02] Speaker 4: not as much woods. But over in the southeast corner
[1:48:06] Speaker 4: all the way up to the northeast corner, that's all
[1:48:08] Speaker 4: we are is river and woods and creeks and lakes.
[1:48:14] Speaker 4: And it's the perfect area for them because there's also
[1:48:16] Speaker 4: lots of caves dripping spring state parks over here and
[1:48:21] Speaker 4: that is a huge state park that has you know,
[1:48:26] Speaker 4: natural waterfalls, caves, all kinds of stuff. Yeah, there it's
[1:48:34] Speaker 4: the perfect area for them to be.
[1:48:37] Speaker 1: Did anyone ever see anything that looked like like a tall, pale,
[1:48:43] Speaker 1: skinny like creature just really kind of weird, kind of
[1:48:48] Speaker 1: like if you remember the Lord of the Rings movies,
[1:48:51] Speaker 1: like you had Gollum.
[1:48:54] Speaker 4: I've never actually watched The Lord of the Ring. Oh okay, sorry,
[1:48:57] Speaker 4: I think the strangest creature we've seen around here and
[1:48:59] Speaker 4: be a skimwall.
[1:49:01] Speaker 1: Okay, so that could be similar, depending on what your
[1:49:04] Speaker 1: definition is. So what would be your definition of that.
[1:49:08] Speaker 4: Well, we've traditionally around here we've got two types from
[1:49:16] Speaker 4: what we call skin walkers or I personally, we have
[1:49:21] Speaker 4: a gentleman in Taallequaw or lips kind of around Talaquaw
[1:49:25] Speaker 4: that he's said to turn into a bear, and then
[1:49:30] Speaker 4: we have this one that it to me, it's creepy.
[1:49:34] Speaker 4: It's like the top half looks kind of human with
[1:49:40] Speaker 4: antlers and a very creepy face, but the bottom half
[1:49:45] Speaker 4: is like more animal. I've heard stories of people seeing
[1:49:49] Speaker 4: stuff like that, but I just like, oh, well, it
[1:49:53] Speaker 4: must be a skinwalker and pass it off because it
[1:49:56] Speaker 4: probably is something to do with that or something.
[1:49:59] Speaker 1: I've never heard of that before, especially the deer antlers.
[1:50:03] Speaker 4: Is it is?
[1:50:03] Speaker 1: It usually called labeled as a female or male.
[1:50:08] Speaker 4: Usually male. Okay, what i'd heard, And like I said,
[1:50:12] Speaker 4: I've not personally saying it. I've just heard the stories
[1:50:15] Speaker 4: of it. One of my friends, she is a full
[1:50:18] Speaker 4: blowd Turkey Indian and she lives out near Kinwood, which
[1:50:24] Speaker 4: is kim Wood. Is uh, pretty much if you're not Indian,
[1:50:28] Speaker 4: you stay out type area.
[1:50:31] Speaker 1: Why would you do that?
[1:50:32] Speaker 4: And she well, they don't like okay, yeah, yeah yeah.
[1:50:42] Speaker 4: And if they don't like you, you're not going in there.
[1:50:46] Speaker 4: And anyway, she was always told never welcome after dark,
[1:50:51] Speaker 4: Well she was. And if you welcome after dark, if
[1:50:54] Speaker 4: you hear something behind you, do not turn around. Well,
[1:50:59] Speaker 4: she was walking home the dark, she heard something behind her.
[1:51:02] Speaker 4: Well she's smart. She didn't turn around, but she held
[1:51:05] Speaker 4: her camera and took a selfie over her shoulder to
[1:51:08] Speaker 4: try to catch what it was. She described it as
[1:51:11] Speaker 4: a demon. It's pale, white, walking on all fours, red eyes,
[1:51:17] Speaker 4: scurrying after her. She made that mile walk in four minutes.
[1:51:23] Speaker 4: She was done. She goes, I don't even remember how
[1:51:25] Speaker 4: I got home. And I'm like, well, now we know
[1:51:29] Speaker 4: why they told us not to be out of dark
[1:51:32] Speaker 4: and it was just in that one area up and
[1:51:34] Speaker 4: there because they said it was really haunted and it
[1:51:38] Speaker 4: was evil and this and that's what you heard growing up.
[1:51:43] Speaker 4: And then she took this picture. Unfortunately the phone got
[1:51:47] Speaker 4: broke so she didn't get to get the picture off.
[1:51:49] Speaker 4: But it looked like a pale white creature on all fours,
[1:51:55] Speaker 4: like it was scurrying.
[1:51:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was asking about right there. Yeah, yeah,
[1:52:01] Speaker 1: that's it.
[1:52:03] Speaker 4: Okay, Well, see I didn't know what they were called.
[1:52:06] Speaker 4: We just called we was told it was a demon.
[1:52:10] Speaker 4: We really didn't know what it was, but that's what
[1:52:12] Speaker 4: they her mom had called it.
[1:52:16] Speaker 2: Oh wow.
[1:52:16] Speaker 1: So that's Kenwood, Oklahoma.
[1:52:19] Speaker 4: Yeah, up around the Kimwood Rose area, and that's about
[1:52:24] Speaker 4: from where I live now. It's about twenty minutes.
[1:52:29] Speaker 1: That's an unincorporated community. It looks like.
[1:52:33] Speaker 4: Yes, okay, yeah, yeah, you don't like breaking down out there.
[1:52:40] Speaker 1: M that is man. That kind of thing makes me
[1:52:45] Speaker 1: want to look into it, But I don't know how
[1:52:47] Speaker 1: how far I want to look into it. People they're
[1:52:50] Speaker 1: probably not want to talk at all. I would guess, no, no, no,
[1:52:55] Speaker 1: unless they reach out, no, which they're more than welcome
[1:52:58] Speaker 1: to but yeah, you don't go knocking on doors around there.
[1:53:04] Speaker 4: No, not in that area.
[1:53:07] Speaker 1: No, No, definitely not. It's been it's been some fun
[1:53:12] Speaker 1: talking to you. It's fascinating area of Oklahoma. Definitely looking
[1:53:16] Speaker 1: more into this.
[1:53:19] Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, yeah, get in touch with me anytime. I'm
[1:53:23] Speaker 4: more than happy to go out and help you hunt.
[1:53:25] Speaker 1: Absolutely, And if you ever run into any other information,
[1:53:30] Speaker 1: if you're able to pull.
[1:53:31] Speaker 4: Up what you have about, I will definitely find that
[1:53:34] Speaker 4: and send it to you because it was to me.
[1:53:36] Speaker 4: It's what I found fascinating about it was I remember
[1:53:41] Speaker 4: because when she first gave it to me, I went
[1:53:45] Speaker 4: looking and you can't find anything about it, like it's
[1:53:48] Speaker 4: they don't want you to know about it. And so
[1:53:52] Speaker 4: I was like, hmmm, I'm going to go to the
[1:53:54] Speaker 4: historical societies and I'm gonna try to pull you know,
[1:53:58] Speaker 4: more information that route.
[1:54:02] Speaker 1: Oh that's where you feeld it was the historical Society.
[1:54:07] Speaker 4: Well, she found it there and she sent it to me,
[1:54:10] Speaker 4: and so I'm going to go back and try because
[1:54:13] Speaker 4: I have to go to the historical society for a
[1:54:15] Speaker 4: grave I'm trying to find, so it won't be a
[1:54:21] Speaker 4: very hard thing for me to look into and try
[1:54:24] Speaker 4: to find more information. If I can't get that route,
[1:54:27] Speaker 4: then I know there's still some old timers alive from
[1:54:30] Speaker 4: that time that might talk to me, because I've learned
[1:54:34] Speaker 4: here in Oklahoma anyways, once these old timers get this
[1:54:38] Speaker 4: certain age, they don't care what they tell.
[1:54:40] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's great, it is so good. That is
[1:54:43] Speaker 1: a lesson I've learned myself. You need to figure out
[1:54:46] Speaker 1: where they're at and become friends with them, like buy
[1:54:50] Speaker 1: the coffee or something.
[1:54:52] Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I've learned. And I'm like, ooh,
[1:54:55] Speaker 4: I'm loving this because I can find out so much
[1:54:58] Speaker 4: more information from there than I can't any historical society
[1:55:02] Speaker 4: half the time. Absolutely, and that's actually why I'm what
[1:55:06] Speaker 4: I'm relying on to find this grave. I'm looking for
[1:55:10] Speaker 4: is to try to track down some Oldzheimer's that were
[1:55:12] Speaker 4: alive when this incident. Are not when it happened, but
[1:55:17] Speaker 4: they would have been little kids and their parents might
[1:55:21] Speaker 4: have talked about it and try to locate it. And
[1:55:25] Speaker 4: I'm like, ooh, I love these Oldzheimer's. Man, you give
[1:55:27] Speaker 4: the cup coffee, You're there for three hours learning.
[1:55:30] Speaker 1: No, that's absolutely the same is with older librarians in
[1:55:37] Speaker 1: a town, yes, and historical societies I've had I've had
[1:55:42] Speaker 1: luck with them as well.
[1:55:44] Speaker 4: Oh yes, absolutely absolutely. Now while I'm thinking about it,
[1:55:51] Speaker 4: there is enough up in Ucci. There is a cemetery
[1:55:57] Speaker 4: and there has been sightings of walking behind the cemetery,
[1:56:03] Speaker 4: and I know they're fairly recent. Where is this up
[1:56:07] Speaker 4: in Ucci?
[1:56:08] Speaker 2: Ucci?
[1:56:08] Speaker 4: Which is yeah, it's on this If you are south
[1:56:14] Speaker 4: of Grove on Highways twenty. Yeah, you take fifty nine
[1:56:20] Speaker 4: down into Jay and then from j you go like
[1:56:24] Speaker 4: you're going down fifty nine to Tahlequah, but you turn
[1:56:27] Speaker 4: onto twenty and you go into Ucchi. And when you're
[1:56:30] Speaker 4: going into Uchi, there's a huge cemetery on the left
[1:56:35] Speaker 4: hand side, and there has been as recent as last year,
[1:56:40] Speaker 4: I know for sure sightings a bigfoot behind that cemetery
[1:56:45] Speaker 4: or walking through the back edge of that cemetery.
[1:56:48] Speaker 1: I'm gonna definitely look into that. So as late as
[1:56:50] Speaker 1: last year, you're saying there's been reports and then yes,
[1:56:53] Speaker 1: that's cool.
[1:56:54] Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, I've talked to people that's had Yeah,
[1:57:00] Speaker 4: they live up in that area and they're like, man,
[1:57:02] Speaker 4: we see them all the time, you know, we hear
[1:57:05] Speaker 4: this all the time.
[1:57:07] Speaker 2: Wow.
[1:57:08] Speaker 1: Mary, Thank you so much for spending an hour of
[1:57:12] Speaker 1: your time with me and just sharing some absolutely really
[1:57:16] Speaker 1: interesting things of what's going on in this area you're
[1:57:20] Speaker 1: familiar with, and hopefully if people are listening to this
[1:57:24] Speaker 1: and they know of things going on around ucci in
[1:57:29] Speaker 1: the cemetery and all this. Man, there's even a place
[1:57:33] Speaker 1: called Monkey Island.
[1:57:34] Speaker 2: Near this.
[1:57:36] Speaker 4: Crazy Okay, so Monkey Island. Monkey Island got its name
[1:57:40] Speaker 4: because a circus was coming through a month. You've actually
[1:57:43] Speaker 4: got loose. They captured them. But yeah, yeah, this whole
[1:57:49] Speaker 4: area is. I mean, you ever come down here, you'll
[1:57:54] Speaker 4: have fun.
[1:57:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's as crazy as there's another la. It's
[1:58:01] Speaker 1: down by Texas.
[1:58:02] Speaker 2: The lake.
[1:58:05] Speaker 1: It's called Lake Texoma. Has a lot of weird stuff
[1:58:08] Speaker 1: like you guys.
[1:58:09] Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've drove over that one. That's cool. Cool
[1:58:12] Speaker 4: areas down there, Yeah, fun stuff.
[1:58:16] Speaker 1: They both look like dragons. That's weird when you when
[1:58:18] Speaker 1: you look. Anyways, man, Mary, thank you so much. Keep
[1:58:23] Speaker 1: me in mind if you ever run into any other
[1:58:25] Speaker 1: in your area.
[1:58:26] Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, thank you.
[1:58:27] Speaker 1: So much for coming on today.
[1:58:29] Speaker 4: You're welcome.
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