# Logger Encounters Sasquatch on the Olympic Peninsula and Realizes They Are Intelligent | Archives

An episode of [Bigfoot Society](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1453429066), 27 Dec 2025, 1 h 16 min.

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Originally released 8/3/24 Face to Face with Sasquatch on the GO Road (A Conversation with Thom Cantrall) In this riveting episode, we dive deep into the fascinating world of Sasquatch with the legendary Thom Cantrell. With tales spanning over 50 years, Thom shares his first-hand encounters with Bigfoot, including the incredible story of his first full-on sighting and his telepathic teachings from a Sasquatch named Akanishia. Listen as Thom recounts intense and sometimes unnerving experiences from the US and beyond, like his face-to-face meetings with Sasquatch, attending a Sasquatch funeral on Prince of Wales Island, and surviving life-threatening health issues with the help of his mysterious forest friends. Thom offers unique insights and profound lessons he has learned through his deeply respectful relationship with these elusive beings, making this a must-watch for Bigfoot enthusiasts and believers in the supernatural. Resources:https://thomcantrall.com Sasquatch - Face to Face (A collection of Encounters by Thom) -https://amzn.to/3WiQoUk (Amazon affiliate link) 🗣️ Share Your Story Had a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience? Send it to bigfootsociety@gmail.com – your story might be featured on the show! 🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube 🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube 💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts! 📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed) 👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share 🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist 🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters 💥 Support the Show & Get Perks ✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member ✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here 📱 Let’s Connect • Instagram: @bigfootsociety • Twitter: @bigfoot_society • TikTok: @bigfoot.society 🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links) These help support the show at no extra cost to you: • Beam (Better Sleep): Try Beam • Wildgrain (Better Bread): Join Here • Seed (Probiotics): Get Seed • Medi-Share (Healthcare): Learn More • LMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNT • Organic and non-GMO groceries delivered for less http://thrv.me/uarEhS 🎙️ Podcasting Tools: • Repurpose.io: Try It • Descript: Sign Up • Streamyard: Start Recording • Riverside.fm: Try Riverside 🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon ☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here 🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy 📬 Mailing Address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
[0:03] Speaker 1: In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to
[0:05] Speaker 1: bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've
[0:08] Speaker 1: seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers
[0:12] Speaker 1: to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
[0:16] Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
[0:20] Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
[0:24] Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
[0:27] Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
[0:30] Speaker 2: So stay with us. Welcome to Big for Society.
[0:32] Speaker 1: If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same
[0:35] Speaker 1: area as discussed in this episode, please reach out to
[0:38] Speaker 1: me directly after this episode, And if you'd like to
[0:41] Speaker 1: be on the podcast to discuss a personal bigfoot encounter,
[0:45] Speaker 1: please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at
[0:48] Speaker 1: gmail dot com. All right, Big for Society, I've got
[0:50] Speaker 1: a privilege of talking to an individual that many listeners
[0:55] Speaker 1: have reached out to me over the years to get
[0:58] Speaker 1: on the podcast, and it's just it's gotten to the
[1:03] Speaker 1: point we had to make it happen. So mister Tom
[1:06] Speaker 1: Cantrell is here and it's a pleasure to have you
[1:09] Speaker 1: with us today.
[1:10] Speaker 3: Tom, Well, thank you very much. I'm very happy to
[1:13] Speaker 3: be here. It's always fun to talk about Sasquatch. Oh.
[1:17] Speaker 1: You know, that's what I love to do too, So
[1:19] Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm in good company. But so you are
[1:22] Speaker 1: out in the Pacific Northwest, correct, Tom.
[1:25] Speaker 3: Yes, i am. I live in western Washington now. I
[1:28] Speaker 3: lived for thirty years over in the southeast part of
[1:31] Speaker 3: Washington in the desert, and now I'm over on the
[1:34] Speaker 3: west side again. Although you wouldn't know it by the weather.
[1:38] Speaker 3: The last week or so, it's been hot, you know.
[1:42] Speaker 1: I've heard that I'm actually headed out to a small
[1:45] Speaker 1: town called Oakridge, Oh yeah, next next week for a festival.
[1:50] Speaker 1: And I was looking at the weather over there and
[1:52] Speaker 1: it's over one hundred degrees and I'm like, oh my goodness,
[1:55] Speaker 1: this is this could get a little wild out there,
[1:57] Speaker 1: but we'll see. It should be good, a great time,
[2:00] Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to it.
[2:03] Speaker 3: Well, it's a little a little lower today. It's only
[2:05] Speaker 3: eighty two right now, or it's been in the nineties.
[2:09] Speaker 1: So yeah, Tom, You've got a really interesting background. You've
[2:15] Speaker 1: been involved with all sorts of things you've been involved with.
[2:18] Speaker 1: You have a military background, correct, right.
[2:21] Speaker 3: I spent nine years in the Navy on submarines, and
[2:26] Speaker 3: I got out of the Navy in nineteen seventy and
[2:30] Speaker 3: I was living on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington at
[2:32] Speaker 3: the time. And probably the main reason I got out
[2:38] Speaker 3: after nine years was they wanted me to go back
[2:41] Speaker 3: to South Carolina, South Carolina again, and I said, Hey,
[2:44] Speaker 3: there's no WAYLK in South Carolina. I know, I've looked
[2:47] Speaker 3: and they're all over here. So I still yeah, stayed
[2:53] Speaker 3: and then start college. Start college in Port Angelus for Washington,
[2:58] Speaker 3: then transferred to Versity of Washington, got my degree in
[3:02] Speaker 3: logging engineering. And I that said, I have never worked
[3:08] Speaker 3: a day as an employee of a company as logging engineer.
[3:15] Speaker 3: When I got out, I found out what they paid
[3:18] Speaker 3: and I was making more money just put my little
[3:23] Speaker 3: jip O logging outfit than what they wanted to pay me.
[3:26] Speaker 3: But I did do a lot of consulting work, especially
[3:31] Speaker 3: bridge site surveys in the state of Washington. If you're
[3:35] Speaker 3: going to build a road that crosses a stream used
[3:38] Speaker 3: by anagamus fish runs, that's a fish that are born
[3:42] Speaker 3: in fresh water and go to see and then come
[3:45] Speaker 3: back to freshwater to spawn like Sam and steelhead Lincoln
[3:50] Speaker 3: or not Lincoln, but oh dad name jumped out of
[3:56] Speaker 3: the mind. But that type of fish. You have to
[3:58] Speaker 3: have a permit from the state, and in order to
[4:01] Speaker 3: get that, you have to do you have to survey
[4:05] Speaker 3: the stream and submitted design. And that's what that'd be
[4:11] Speaker 3: hired to do. Most times. I did a lot of
[4:15] Speaker 3: property line work too, but it was mostly bridge site
[4:19] Speaker 3: surveys and in those days, in those times, it was
[4:24] Speaker 3: in old growth timber, so I'd be hiking back in
[4:27] Speaker 3: a minimum of four miles, generally five or six or
[4:30] Speaker 3: seven miles because the ones alongside the road their company
[4:34] Speaker 3: engineers took care of. They hired me for the ones
[4:37] Speaker 3: that Dad's a long hike. Well, I found out real
[4:40] Speaker 3: quick the last thing you want to do is hike in.
[4:44] Speaker 3: Do your survey. And that consisted of screen flow bed
[4:48] Speaker 3: type you know, soil rock whatever, and what you were
[4:54] Speaker 3: going to use for abut MutS, and how the bridge
[4:56] Speaker 3: was going to build be built. All of that owned
[5:00] Speaker 3: real quick that the last thing you wanted to do
[5:03] Speaker 3: was hike in. Get all your measurements and hike back out,
[5:08] Speaker 3: sit down at the table and figure out you forgot
[5:11] Speaker 3: to get one measurement. So what I would do is
[5:15] Speaker 3: when I got everything I thought I needed, I'd sit
[5:17] Speaker 3: down and do a rough drawing. And it was at
[5:20] Speaker 3: that time that I started seeing them. They would when
[5:25] Speaker 3: you get curious about what I was doing, sitting there
[5:28] Speaker 3: alone in the timber where nobody had been for four hundred,
[5:32] Speaker 3: five hundred years, you know, and here's this guy sitting
[5:36] Speaker 3: here doing this, doing something, and they'd sneak in on me,
[5:41] Speaker 3: pee around trees at me. Now, I'd been interested in
[5:46] Speaker 3: them for many, many years prior to this. It started
[5:49] Speaker 3: with Jerry Crew incident in northern California in nineteen fifty eight,
[5:55] Speaker 3: and that's what lit my fire. That was sitting in
[5:59] Speaker 3: an area not far from where I lived, and edwardly
[6:03] Speaker 3: caught my interest in and I read everything I could
[6:08] Speaker 3: get from then until after I was still in high
[6:12] Speaker 3: school time. I was fifteen years old when that happened,
[6:16] Speaker 3: and then joined the Navy right out of high school.
[6:19] Speaker 3: And when you're on the sum you don't have a
[6:21] Speaker 3: whole lot of time. The law of opportunity to physically
[6:25] Speaker 3: look for sashquatch. But after they got me up on
[6:28] Speaker 3: the pinicula, yeah, I did, and that's when I started
[6:31] Speaker 3: seeing them and it was a great time. It was.
[6:34] Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun. Wow, and I got sorry.
[6:38] Speaker 1: So when you just wanted to clarify something, So when
[6:41] Speaker 1: you said you started seeing them, that's when you're talking
[6:45] Speaker 1: about bigfoot or sasquatch.
[6:46] Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, yes, yeah they did. They'd come down and
[6:52] Speaker 3: when I was sitting there, they'd peek around the tree
[6:54] Speaker 3: at me. For a long time, I thought they only
[6:56] Speaker 3: had one eye, just went one side their head the
[6:58] Speaker 3: other because that's all I ever saw. But finally, one
[7:03] Speaker 3: day my friend and I it was September. I was
[7:09] Speaker 3: shut down logging before Firewatch fire season and he had
[7:16] Speaker 3: a day off, so we decided to go grouse hunting. Well,
[7:20] Speaker 3: grouse hunting in September is an excuse to be in
[7:24] Speaker 3: the woods when the elk or bugling. If you've never
[7:27] Speaker 3: done that, you need to do it. It's absolutely magnificent.
[7:31] Speaker 3: You haven't lived. You watched those big bulls bugling. And
[7:37] Speaker 3: we happened on a herd of about one hundred elk
[7:40] Speaker 3: and the herd bowl was a big five point and
[7:44] Speaker 3: we followed them mos pubbly for three or four hours,
[7:48] Speaker 3: and finally came to a turk cut, and it kind
[7:52] Speaker 3: of had a box in the corner of the timber
[7:54] Speaker 3: with a turk cut on two sides, and they either
[7:58] Speaker 3: had to go out in the turk cut or come
[8:01] Speaker 3: back by us, and about half of them did each.
[8:05] Speaker 3: And that five point was up on a ridge and
[8:10] Speaker 3: the clkcut udling his throat out, trying to get his cows,
[8:14] Speaker 3: his ladies back together again, and he was not happy.
[8:19] Speaker 3: So we decided it was time to leave them alone.
[8:22] Speaker 3: Of course we'd gotten separated by that time. Garry was
[8:26] Speaker 3: somewhere else, but that happened a lot with us. He
[8:29] Speaker 3: was a forester also, so you know, we could navigate
[8:33] Speaker 3: anywhere in that timber without not having to worry about
[8:37] Speaker 3: one of us getting lost. And I was working my
[8:40] Speaker 3: way back alone and I saw an opening ahead of me,
[8:46] Speaker 3: and generally that means a water hole, and it's always
[8:51] Speaker 3: curious to see what's around a waterhole. So I decided
[8:54] Speaker 3: to sneak in on it. And I got right to
[8:57] Speaker 3: the edge of it, and great big spruce you there,
[9:01] Speaker 3: and I kind of sneaked up behind that and peeked
[9:04] Speaker 3: around and it was in a waterhole. It was an
[9:06] Speaker 3: area blown down timber about five six acres and there
[9:11] Speaker 3: were two bears. I thought that there were sitting there
[9:16] Speaker 3: eating mushrooms. And then one of them stood up. That
[9:20] Speaker 3: was no bear. He was about probably forty forty five
[9:25] Speaker 3: yards from me, and great big males ass watch. He
[9:32] Speaker 3: looked around, made sure everything was all right, and kneeled
[9:35] Speaker 3: back down and started eating oyster mushroom to growing down trees.
[9:40] Speaker 3: They're delicious, I envied him. And then his mate stood up.
[9:45] Speaker 3: She looked around and back down. And I had about
[9:49] Speaker 3: thirty minutes probably to watch them like this. And then
[9:53] Speaker 3: in that time they moved within about thirty thirty five
[9:56] Speaker 3: yards of me, and I fell at GUSTA wing hit
[10:01] Speaker 3: the back of my neck and I oh, I busted,
[10:03] Speaker 3: and I had four eyeballs just snapped to me. So
[10:07] Speaker 3: I just stepped out from the seat from that big
[10:10] Speaker 3: spirit street and just to let him know I must
[10:13] Speaker 3: be there, and I said, you know, I'm just here
[10:16] Speaker 3: watching you. I thought, I don't would like to learn
[10:18] Speaker 3: from you. Well, he stepped back, and he allowed the
[10:23] Speaker 3: female to step in front of him to go back
[10:25] Speaker 3: into the timber, and as she did, she picked up
[10:28] Speaker 3: a baby and just put it on her chest, and
[10:31] Speaker 3: he held on while she made her way back in
[10:34] Speaker 3: the timber. And I yelled, I thank you for sharing
[10:37] Speaker 3: your family with me. And he turned around, and I
[10:41] Speaker 3: swear he nodded at me. I really, to this day,
[10:44] Speaker 3: and that's been this nineteen seventy two, I think to
[10:49] Speaker 3: this day, you know, fifty two years later, I still
[10:51] Speaker 3: think that he nodded at me before he turned and
[10:55] Speaker 3: walked back into the timber. It was that was quite
[10:58] Speaker 3: a and that's the first time I ever got to
[11:00] Speaker 3: see them full one from head toe and to sit
[11:07] Speaker 3: and watch with them. That happened many times since then,
[11:10] Speaker 3: but that was the first time. It was absolutely fantastic
[11:15] Speaker 3: because you can imagine.
[11:18] Speaker 2: Tom.
[11:18] Speaker 1: That is absolutely incredible. I want to ask a question
[11:22] Speaker 1: that to some people is going to sound really silly,
[11:25] Speaker 1: but I'm just going to ask it. So you're in
[11:28] Speaker 1: the early seventies, from what you just said, I'm guessing
[11:33] Speaker 1: as of that time, you had no electronic devices on you.
[11:37] Speaker 3: Correct, I had nothing, you know, not at all. I
[11:41] Speaker 3: think I had a little camera, but there's you know,
[11:45] Speaker 3: something that'd be something like a sure shot or you know,
[11:50] Speaker 3: nothing fancy at all.
[11:54] Speaker 1: Do you think that because you didn't, There seems to
[11:58] Speaker 1: be a conversation coming up in the community where people
[12:01] Speaker 1: are wondering, I think if they go into these areas
[12:05] Speaker 1: without electronic devices on them, Oh yet, do you think
[12:11] Speaker 1: that's connected at all times?
[12:13] Speaker 3: Absolutely? Absolutely, leave that stuff at home. If you want
[12:18] Speaker 3: to have an experience, leave that. Leave the electronics at home.
[12:23] Speaker 3: You know, I carry a camera, but they know me now,
[12:27] Speaker 3: and they know I'm not even going to take a
[12:29] Speaker 3: picture of the countryside unless I ask permission first, and
[12:35] Speaker 3: even if there's nothing around, I will ask permission because
[12:38] Speaker 3: I know they're watching me. They watched me one time.
[12:41] Speaker 3: One hundred percent of the time I'm in there, and
[12:44] Speaker 3: I always ask you, I'm going to take a picture now,
[12:47] Speaker 3: it's that's all right. And if I don't hear anything
[12:51] Speaker 3: in contrary, then I'll go ahead and do it now.
[12:54] Speaker 3: But always, and that's all I ever carry. The most
[12:57] Speaker 3: I ever carry is a camera. Don't carry anything else.
[13:02] Speaker 3: It's just I found out many many years ago that
[13:07] Speaker 3: you carry electronics and they'll just avoid you.
[13:11] Speaker 1: Who was your mentor in the field of bigfoot?
[13:15] Speaker 3: Nobody, I just said, I just had to learn everything
[13:19] Speaker 3: on my own as I went. As far as I knew,
[13:21] Speaker 3: I was the only person that was even doing any
[13:25] Speaker 3: study on them at all. My friend that I was
[13:27] Speaker 3: with that day, he didn't believe in them. He thought
[13:30] Speaker 3: they were a joke. My family just wanted to make
[13:34] Speaker 3: fun of anything that I found, so I quit talking
[13:37] Speaker 3: to them about it, and I was entirely on my
[13:39] Speaker 3: own for bees until twenty ten, okay until twenty I
[13:46] Speaker 3: finally found on the internet twenty actually twenty on nine,
[13:54] Speaker 3: and I found that there were other people around the
[13:57] Speaker 3: country doing this, not many of them, but there were.
[14:03] Speaker 3: And I found a person named Narla Williams Sarle Colette
[14:07] Speaker 3: now and she's God got meythink. But up to that time,
[14:15] Speaker 3: I had, you know, thirty years of facts and no
[14:20] Speaker 3: way to collate them. And talking to Arla, I got
[14:23] Speaker 3: started being able to collate them, and that really really helped.
[14:31] Speaker 3: I helped unbelievably. I had to the point. It was
[14:40] Speaker 3: September twenty fifth, twenty ten, when I met my teacher
[14:45] Speaker 3: and he is a nine foot three inch Sasquatch named Akanisha,
[14:52] Speaker 3: and that has just brought things together. Now I know why,
[14:56] Speaker 3: and there's believing they're still more mystery than there is
[15:03] Speaker 3: fact to them. But at least I at least I
[15:08] Speaker 3: know what I'm doing in the direction I'm going, and
[15:11] Speaker 3: I didn't for many many years.
[15:15] Speaker 1: It's absolutely fascinating. So it sounds like you had a
[15:17] Speaker 1: good thirty years where you were investigating researching sasquatch by yourself,
[15:24] Speaker 1: in really no contact with the outside research community. Were
[15:28] Speaker 1: there any absolutely, were there any lessons that you learned
[15:33] Speaker 1: during that time that you feel are just were invaluable
[15:37] Speaker 1: to figure out looking back on that time, Yeah.
[15:40] Speaker 3: A lot. Number one. I learned that they are not
[15:44] Speaker 3: just an animal, that they are another US. Of course,
[15:49] Speaker 3: there was no DNA work at that time, but just
[15:53] Speaker 3: studying them, just being with them, being around them, there
[15:58] Speaker 3: was just too much that they did that showed intelligence.
[16:03] Speaker 3: One time I was I can't remember the name of
[16:08] Speaker 3: the creek out on the west end of the Olympic Peninsula.
[16:12] Speaker 3: Pardon me, I'm maybe one years old and then short
[16:15] Speaker 3: term memory is terrible. But I was on this creek.
[16:20] Speaker 3: It was laid EXAs and archery season and that's the
[16:23] Speaker 3: reason I was out there, and I had been there
[16:26] Speaker 3: most of the afternoon when I was where I was
[16:31] Speaker 3: had my stand. It was in a little brush patch
[16:35] Speaker 3: next to a major trail alongside this creek, and the
[16:40] Speaker 3: creek was a series in this area was a series
[16:42] Speaker 3: of beaver dams. There'd be a pond, a dam, another pond,
[16:47] Speaker 3: the dam, and the pond behind that one right on
[16:50] Speaker 3: up the creek and about oh, I don't know. It
[16:55] Speaker 3: was probably three in the afternoon, and that in that
[17:00] Speaker 3: area at that time of the year, it's dark by
[17:03] Speaker 3: four point thirty, so it was late in the day.
[17:07] Speaker 3: I heard some splashing and I looked down the stream
[17:11] Speaker 3: and I could see a sash watch it in the
[17:13] Speaker 3: beaver pond. And actually I watched, and pretty quick there
[17:18] Speaker 3: were two of them there, and turned out actually there
[17:21] Speaker 3: were three of them before when they got close enough
[17:24] Speaker 3: to me, when they got in the pond in front
[17:26] Speaker 3: of me where I could watch what they're doing. They
[17:29] Speaker 3: were running the salmon that were in the stream. Goodman
[17:33] Speaker 3: Creek was the name of the creek. They were running
[17:36] Speaker 3: the salmon up against the beaver dam ahead of them
[17:40] Speaker 3: and then picking them up. And as I watched him,
[17:44] Speaker 3: he was squeezing them with his arm against his body,
[17:49] Speaker 3: and some he would keep, some he would throw back,
[17:52] Speaker 3: And it took me fifteen twenty twenty five minutes of
[17:56] Speaker 3: watching to figure out what he was doing. Uh, and
[18:01] Speaker 3: what I finally realized. He squeezed them. If nothing came out,
[18:05] Speaker 3: he threw him back. Those were spawned out. But if
[18:08] Speaker 3: the eggs or sperm came out, they were fresh. They
[18:10] Speaker 3: hadn't spawned yet. And I don't know if you know
[18:13] Speaker 3: it about salmon, but once they spawn, they start just
[18:16] Speaker 3: like they've got cancer and start dying, and I mean
[18:20] Speaker 3: they change color, they get these big open sores on them. So, yeah,
[18:26] Speaker 3: nobody's gonna want to eat that. Well they don't either. Yeah,
[18:30] Speaker 3: they're intelligent enough know that. Then I looked down and
[18:33] Speaker 3: his thumbnail, he was close enough I could see it.
[18:37] Speaker 3: It looks just like a knife the way it was shaped,
[18:40] Speaker 3: and he was sitting right down the middle. If if
[18:44] Speaker 3: they had eggs, he'd keep the eggs. If they didn't,
[18:46] Speaker 3: heed to just keep the heart on the liver, okay,
[18:51] Speaker 3: struggle the rest of it out and then slit the back.
[18:55] Speaker 3: So he had cut them on each side of the
[18:59] Speaker 3: spine and then hang them over a tree lamb while
[19:02] Speaker 3: if she was fishing, and when it got time to leave,
[19:05] Speaker 3: they took them all with them. That's a high degree
[19:07] Speaker 3: of intelligence to do that, to fillay them out like that,
[19:12] Speaker 3: number one, to check them to see if there's fawn.
[19:15] Speaker 3: Number two, to follow them like that to dry and
[19:19] Speaker 3: they dry them just like the Indians did and store them.
[19:26] Speaker 3: So yeah, that's a a high degree of intelligence there.
[19:29] Speaker 3: I knew even then. Since I met my teacher, I
[19:33] Speaker 3: realized just how high it is. But at that time
[19:39] Speaker 3: I had no doubt that they were an intelligent being.
[19:43] Speaker 3: Just looked kind of strange.
[19:46] Speaker 1: Tom, Can you share the story of how you met
[19:49] Speaker 1: your teacher?
[19:50] Speaker 3: Sure? Sure? Like I said, it was the twenty fifth
[19:53] Speaker 3: of September twenty ten, and I had been cabin bowns.
[19:59] Speaker 3: You got to remember I living in desert then, and
[20:01] Speaker 3: it was hot, and I didn't go out much during
[20:05] Speaker 3: the heat. I would worked, but the job I had
[20:09] Speaker 3: was absolutely fantastic. Twenty By twenty ten I was retired,
[20:14] Speaker 3: but my last job was as a an engineer estimating
[20:21] Speaker 3: an engineer for an asphalt company, and if it was hot,
[20:24] Speaker 3: i'd go to the library or go to the contractor's
[20:30] Speaker 3: office where they where they put all the upcoming jobs
[20:35] Speaker 3: forbid and find out what was coming up and who
[20:37] Speaker 3: was bidding on it, and you know, stay in the cool.
[20:41] Speaker 3: If it was cool, i'd work, go out and work
[20:43] Speaker 3: the field somewhere. So it was a fun job. And
[20:47] Speaker 3: actually it's the fun most fun job I ever had
[20:49] Speaker 3: in my life, other than falling timber and doing this one.
[20:54] Speaker 3: It wasn't trying to kill me with every tree they
[20:56] Speaker 3: came to but on the that but I retired. They
[21:02] Speaker 3: forced me to retire in two thousand and seven. My
[21:06] Speaker 3: heart went story on me. And so twenty ten I
[21:11] Speaker 3: was going to take a trip, just the day trip,
[21:14] Speaker 3: maybe stay overnight, just to get out of the house.
[21:19] Speaker 3: In September, late September it cooled off enough. Plus that's
[21:26] Speaker 3: the time between the end of of archery elk season
[21:33] Speaker 3: and the beginning to muzzle over our elk season, and
[21:36] Speaker 3: it's the time when the elk are muling the most.
[21:40] Speaker 3: I mean, they're deep rut and you never know what
[21:43] Speaker 3: you're going to see. So I was decided to go
[21:47] Speaker 3: take this trip, and I mentioned it Arla, and but
[21:53] Speaker 3: two days before I was going to go, she says,
[21:56] Speaker 3: this road you're going on, does is there a pollowood
[22:00] Speaker 3: on that? And I said, well, the road I'm going on.
[22:03] Speaker 3: I've never been on I've been on the top of
[22:06] Speaker 3: the ridge both sides of this of this river it's
[22:09] Speaker 3: Tushi River, but I've never been on this road because
[22:15] Speaker 3: it was a Boise Cascade tree farm prior, and they
[22:19] Speaker 3: shut it down and beaded it over to the e
[22:23] Speaker 3: Matilla Indian Reservation, the tribes of the Indian Reservation, and
[22:28] Speaker 3: they've had it shut while they rebuilt the road. It
[22:31] Speaker 3: was in terrible condition. Now the road's finished and they've
[22:35] Speaker 3: got the gate opened and it's accessible, and I want
[22:38] Speaker 3: to just go in and check it out. And she said, well,
[22:41] Speaker 3: I see a large male sasquatch with a red stripe
[22:46] Speaker 3: on his chest, and he's looking for you. And now
[22:51] Speaker 3: you've got to remember, Arla is very much of a shaman.
[22:56] Speaker 3: She's half Cherokee, quarter chalked Off, and quarter Scottish, so
[23:02] Speaker 3: all three are mystics. But she has she's amazed me
[23:07] Speaker 3: and what she's done on many times. One time prior
[23:10] Speaker 3: to this occasion, my heart was giving me a bad time,
[23:15] Speaker 3: bad enough I call the paramedics. They came. I was
[23:19] Speaker 3: on the gurney headed out the door when my phone
[23:21] Speaker 3: rang in Washington. She's in eastern Oklahoma. And she says,
[23:28] Speaker 3: who are those people? And what's wrong with you? Now?
[23:32] Speaker 3: If that doesn't blow you away, there's nothing in the
[23:35] Speaker 3: world going to And so I explained, But so she
[23:40] Speaker 3: told me about this this, I said, Well, I'll do
[23:43] Speaker 3: is I'll drive in and if I find a pile
[23:46] Speaker 3: of wood, I'll just set up there. I don't know
[23:48] Speaker 3: where I'm going, but I'm just going to set up
[23:51] Speaker 3: my little my watch station. And when I go, when
[23:54] Speaker 3: I'm researching Sasquatch, I do go trumpet in the woods. Never.
[24:01] Speaker 3: What I do is I take my folding chair. And
[24:05] Speaker 3: I learned this from those early days when I was
[24:08] Speaker 3: sitting there drawing up my bridge site and they'd come
[24:12] Speaker 3: peek at me. I have a folding chair, I open
[24:16] Speaker 3: it up. I have a nice chest with the fried
[24:20] Speaker 3: chicken hips and boiled eggs and diet PEPSI in it.
[24:25] Speaker 3: And I have my kindle. I opened the chair, put
[24:29] Speaker 3: my bottom down in it, grab a chicken hip, a
[24:33] Speaker 3: boiled egg, and a diet PEPSI open my kindle and
[24:36] Speaker 3: I read and within an hour there'll be somebody peeking
[24:40] Speaker 3: around a tree at me. And usually now and that
[24:45] Speaker 3: at that age I was seeing more and more of them,
[24:49] Speaker 3: and so I just I'd found a pile of timber
[24:54] Speaker 3: timber that she was talking about, and I just sat
[24:57] Speaker 3: up there. It was a nice hil area. I put
[24:59] Speaker 3: my uh my step on the stop, got a little
[25:03] Speaker 3: older type setup that I use and some uh it's
[25:10] Speaker 3: like incense, only actually it's a it's a it smells
[25:14] Speaker 3: like berries. It's just great. And my eagle feathers and
[25:18] Speaker 3: hang them and then I just sit and wait. And
[25:26] Speaker 3: about two in the afternoon, I missed time one thing
[25:29] Speaker 3: on this trade ship. I had timed all right for
[25:32] Speaker 3: the season. Deer season was done, but I forgot paul
[25:38] Speaker 3: Turkey season. Now nobody goes says I'm going turkey hunting
[25:43] Speaker 3: in September. But it's a great excuse to take the
[25:47] Speaker 3: gun on the truck and go for a ride on
[25:49] Speaker 3: a Saturday, Okay. And that's what happened. I had four
[25:53] Speaker 3: trucks past me and one set of three horses right
[25:58] Speaker 3: coming out of a high country there, and about two
[26:04] Speaker 3: in the afternoon, and this is the first time I've
[26:08] Speaker 3: ever had them speak to me telepathically, okay. And I
[26:15] Speaker 3: get this message and said I can't come out. There's
[26:19] Speaker 3: too many people they might find might see me. Said, oh,
[26:24] Speaker 3: I'm sorry about that. I didn't have to be here today.
[26:27] Speaker 3: It could have been Tuesday. I'm retired. It's a little
[26:31] Speaker 3: bit of Tuesday instead of a Saturday. And I had
[26:34] Speaker 3: stopped and picked a box of apples in a box
[26:38] Speaker 3: of grapes for them on my way out and had
[26:42] Speaker 3: them there, and I asked, do you need me to
[26:47] Speaker 3: leave the fruit for you? And if you've remember heard
[26:51] Speaker 3: the sasquats laugh, it's it's worthwhile, especially when it's nine
[26:55] Speaker 3: foot three inch. Stall got a chest like, oh, you
[26:58] Speaker 3: can't believe his shoulders are like fifty four inches across.
[27:03] Speaker 3: He's saying, to imagine what his chest looks like. And
[27:07] Speaker 3: it's just a big rumble. And he says, have you
[27:10] Speaker 3: looked at the river? And I, oh, okay, you could
[27:15] Speaker 3: walk across the river on the salmon that we're in it. So, no,
[27:19] Speaker 3: they weren't hurting for food right then he said, perhaps
[27:23] Speaker 3: if you brought them in the time of the white stuff.
[27:26] Speaker 3: I said, okay, I can do that. I can do that.
[27:30] Speaker 3: So I said it would it be just as well
[27:33] Speaker 3: that I went home now and came back another day.
[27:36] Speaker 3: He's yes, that would probably be good. So that's what
[27:39] Speaker 3: I did. I packed everything up, put my chair away,
[27:42] Speaker 3: put my ice chest away, put my candle away, and
[27:46] Speaker 3: I had one foot in the car. I had my
[27:48] Speaker 3: right foot under the steering wheel, sitting down in the
[27:51] Speaker 3: driver's seat. And he stood up across me, across the
[27:55] Speaker 3: little road there, about twelve feet from me, and I
[28:00] Speaker 3: wanted you to see me before you left, to know
[28:04] Speaker 3: the numbreel, and I'll contact you later on. I said, okay,
[28:10] Speaker 3: we can do that, and he'd been He just disappeared
[28:15] Speaker 3: right about it in there and standing right in front
[28:19] Speaker 3: of me, and his head had just reached a major crossband.
[28:23] Speaker 3: There was a little hawthorn tree there and he was
[28:26] Speaker 3: standing right under it, and his tree had just reached
[28:29] Speaker 3: a major branch of that tree. So I was majored
[28:33] Speaker 3: dad just to see. And he's nine foot three inches tall.
[28:37] Speaker 3: And I named that hawthorn tree Nathaniel, But you know
[28:40] Speaker 3: what else are you going to name a hawthorn? Right?
[28:45] Speaker 3: And so he left. I left, and a few days
[28:51] Speaker 3: later I got a cold. Can you come out anytime soon?
[28:56] Speaker 3: I say, you can come out anytime you want me
[28:58] Speaker 3: to tomorrow. Then, so I went out and the gate
[29:04] Speaker 3: was shut. Who was midweek and the gate was shut
[29:07] Speaker 3: into that road right at the end of that property.
[29:10] Speaker 3: There's nobody there is. It's a big, wide open area.
[29:14] Speaker 3: I parked there and walked up the road in the
[29:16] Speaker 3: the ways and looked up on the hill. There he is.
[29:21] Speaker 3: And he has his daughter with him at this time,
[29:25] Speaker 3: and she's red body, her whole body is red hair,
[29:29] Speaker 3: and she's hiding behind Dad, peeking around his leg. He's
[29:33] Speaker 3: at me. He's probably seven or eight years old at
[29:35] Speaker 3: the time, and he said, I know you have some
[29:43] Speaker 3: concerns about you. What were you're you're learning from us
[29:49] Speaker 3: and your priesthood that you hold. He says, no, this
[29:53] Speaker 3: we have the same creator, We serve the same creator.
[29:59] Speaker 3: And I asked, well, what about Christ do you know
[30:01] Speaker 3: about question? Yes, Christ is the savior for mankind, not
[30:07] Speaker 3: for us. And the next question, I asked, well do
[30:11] Speaker 3: you have a savior? And the answer is when I
[30:14] Speaker 3: hear a lot from them that's not for you to know.
[30:18] Speaker 3: At this time, what he's conveyed was he'd like to
[30:23] Speaker 3: have me be their scribe. And that's why I've written
[30:27] Speaker 3: fifteen books over the next twelve years.
[30:31] Speaker 1: That is absolutely incredible. So the books that you've been writing.
[30:36] Speaker 1: You're saying, they've been telling you to write down things
[30:40] Speaker 1: in these books.
[30:42] Speaker 3: Yes, he quite often will make sure that I know
[30:46] Speaker 3: something so I can write about it, and I write
[30:50] Speaker 3: in two different ways. Some of them like Sasquatch of Truth,
[30:57] Speaker 3: twenty one Days to Destiny, Sasquat Search for a New Man,
[31:02] Speaker 3: Sasquatch Face to Pace, those are all one hundred percent
[31:05] Speaker 3: true facts. They're nonfiction. Others like Martie's Story After Armageddon,
[31:17] Speaker 3: the other four they're novels, but they have story, you know,
[31:24] Speaker 3: facts about Sasquatch in them. And what I do here,
[31:27] Speaker 3: I do this so that the haters can't hate. If
[31:32] Speaker 3: I want to tell something really critical or important about them,
[31:36] Speaker 3: I'll include it in a novel. Then when somebody attached
[31:40] Speaker 3: me about hey, it's a novel, they can't argue. It
[31:43] Speaker 3: frustrates the daylights out of them. And I love that.
[31:47] Speaker 3: But to anybody to whom it's important, those those things
[31:54] Speaker 3: dealing with Sasquatch and those books are one hundred percent true.
[32:00] Speaker 3: So I mean one hundred percent true in my vision.
[32:05] Speaker 3: You got to remember, we all see things in light
[32:09] Speaker 3: of our own history.
[32:11] Speaker 2: Okay, absolutely, So.
[32:14] Speaker 3: What I see may not be what somebody else will see.
[32:17] Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just how I see it. That's
[32:19] Speaker 3: how I related. And you know, I don't tell untruth.
[32:24] Speaker 3: I don't. I don't make make up stories. But other
[32:30] Speaker 3: people may have had different experiences. That's all right.
[32:35] Speaker 1: Yes, that that first interaction with your teachers is very,
[32:40] Speaker 1: very interesting, and it's just there's a lot to learn
[32:46] Speaker 1: from that. Just a random question. Do you know how
[32:55] Speaker 1: many toes that they had?
[32:59] Speaker 3: Oh? Some, most have five, some have six, and I've
[33:02] Speaker 3: even seen some with four.
[33:05] Speaker 1: Okay, so you have seen actual ones that have four.
[33:09] Speaker 3: Absolutely.
[33:11] Speaker 1: So I've interviewed people for a few years now in
[33:15] Speaker 1: the subject, and something that will come up, and I'm
[33:19] Speaker 1: curious about your thoughts on it is there are certain
[33:23] Speaker 1: parts of the US, like southeast Alaska, where if there's
[33:27] Speaker 1: four toad sasquatch, that can lead to some really you know,
[33:32] Speaker 1: interesting interactions. Have you found that the number of toes,
[33:37] Speaker 1: if there's a four toad sasquatch, that things can you know,
[33:41] Speaker 1: turn south pretty quick?
[33:42] Speaker 3: Or No. I sat with a group that had all three,
[33:48] Speaker 3: some had four, some had most had five, and a
[33:51] Speaker 3: few had six. And that was in uh and Prince
[33:55] Speaker 3: of Wales Island, Alaska. Okay, okay, but eighteen of them
[34:01] Speaker 3: at a funeral. Yeah, and that they had, you know, varying,
[34:09] Speaker 3: It just varies. I find that most negative interactions, actually,
[34:16] Speaker 3: I find that all negative interactions are caused by the
[34:20] Speaker 3: human being in the interaction. There's a lack of respect
[34:24] Speaker 3: there somewhere that creates a problem. Okay. The last thing
[34:32] Speaker 3: that a species like them would want to do, who
[34:35] Speaker 3: are trying to stay hidden, is to attack the dominant
[34:41] Speaker 3: species in the in the bio. They will do not
[34:47] Speaker 3: want to be brought to attention, Okay, but they can be.
[34:53] Speaker 3: You can do things wrong. Also, in my book of Sasquatch,
[34:59] Speaker 3: based as a compilation of thirty two face to pace
[35:03] Speaker 3: encounters across the country, and you wouldn't believe how many
[35:08] Speaker 3: of them expressed how frightened they were fighting further alive.
[35:12] Speaker 3: They could absolutely couldn't move, they were so scared, and
[35:16] Speaker 3: all of us didn't were standing there looking at them.
[35:20] Speaker 3: Your mind gets out of control, Okay, your mind does
[35:26] Speaker 3: strange things to you. Back in twenty fourteen, I was
[35:31] Speaker 3: driving back into camp. We were camped in northern California
[35:36] Speaker 3: on Blue Creek, which is next Ridge over from Bluff
[35:41] Speaker 3: Creek where Bob and Roger had got their film, and
[35:45] Speaker 3: I was right at the head about Buff Creek coming
[35:47] Speaker 3: back to town. I had to go to town to
[35:50] Speaker 3: get the gas for my tent heater. And at Malefuls fourteen,
[35:57] Speaker 3: right at the head of Bluff Creek on the go road,
[36:02] Speaker 3: I came around the corner and there's two of them
[36:03] Speaker 3: standing right square in the middle of the road. By
[36:06] Speaker 3: the time I got my car stopped, I was not
[36:09] Speaker 3: more than twenty feet from them, and I had two
[36:12] Speaker 3: people in the car with me. The lady in the
[36:16] Speaker 3: passenger seat was from England and she'd come over just
[36:20] Speaker 3: for that outing, and Narla was in the back seat.
[36:26] Speaker 3: And the first thing that Jackie did when she saw them.
[36:30] Speaker 1: This is Jackie talks. I've talked to Jackie three to
[36:33] Speaker 1: four years ago about this. Oh yeah, right ahead, Okay,
[36:37] Speaker 1: this is interesting.
[36:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because it's the most exciting, illustrated, illustrative mind
[36:47] Speaker 3: thing that I've ever seen. But she just yelled out
[36:50] Speaker 3: as loud as she could, I need to rattle the car.
[36:58] Speaker 3: They turned and two steps, they were three quarters to
[37:02] Speaker 3: seven eighths across the road. They turned went back across
[37:06] Speaker 3: the road, across the shoulder and down the bank in
[37:09] Speaker 3: two steps. As they disappeared, one of them said, I'm
[37:15] Speaker 3: the one you know is Patty. This is my son,
[37:21] Speaker 3: and I said, wow, yea, thats that's pretty cool. But
[37:25] Speaker 3: Jackie was totally knew though they were sasquatched in the
[37:30] Speaker 3: thirty and the pardon me, we were a mile post
[37:32] Speaker 3: fourteen and the twenty miles back to our camp. She
[37:36] Speaker 3: had convinced herself that she had not seen two sasquats
[37:41] Speaker 3: down in the road, she had seen two Mexican drug
[37:44] Speaker 3: mules wearing long haired gilli suits, backpacks, wearing flipflops. Why
[37:54] Speaker 3: because her mind didn't know what sabsquatch was, but it
[37:57] Speaker 3: knew what Mexican drug meals were. It didn't know what
[38:01] Speaker 3: Harry's body was, but it knew what a gillieshuit was,
[38:05] Speaker 3: and didn't know what a humped shoulder was, but knew
[38:08] Speaker 3: what a rucksack was, and didn't know what Ausmann pads
[38:13] Speaker 3: were on the feet, but knew what flip flops were.
[38:20] Speaker 3: So she just rationalized all this back into that's what
[38:23] Speaker 3: it had to be. And it was probably two or
[38:27] Speaker 3: three days later Arliss's Jackie do you realize you've traveled
[38:32] Speaker 3: six thousand miles to see what you saw, and now
[38:35] Speaker 3: your mind's not letting you see it. And that got
[38:39] Speaker 3: her started thinking, and by the time we got back
[38:42] Speaker 3: to the airport in Portland, she had straightened it all
[38:45] Speaker 3: out and understand and understood what her mind had done
[38:48] Speaker 3: to her and understood what she had actually seen. But
[38:51] Speaker 3: that was so so fascinating to watch happened. It was unreal.
[38:58] Speaker 1: That is incredible to hear that side of the story.
[39:01] Speaker 1: Thank you Tom for bringing that up. That's that is
[39:04] Speaker 1: really really cool, because it's been a long time since
[39:07] Speaker 1: I've been able to talk to her. I did want
[39:11] Speaker 1: to before we get too far away from it. So
[39:14] Speaker 1: when I was talking about Southeast Alaska, I was actually
[39:17] Speaker 1: referring to Prince of Wales Island. I just didn't come
[39:19] Speaker 1: out and say it. But I'm curious, So did you
[39:23] Speaker 1: you went up there to go look for sasquatch or
[39:26] Speaker 1: how did that?
[39:27] Speaker 3: Oh?
[39:27] Speaker 2: No, trip go.
[39:28] Speaker 3: I went up to salmon fishing, and after three days
[39:32] Speaker 3: I'd caught so many salmon that I was tired of
[39:35] Speaker 3: salmon vision and I just took oh, I took my
[39:38] Speaker 3: gold pan and headed up into the hills looking first
[39:42] Speaker 3: streamed pan to work my pan, and there was a
[39:46] Speaker 3: creek and I wanted to do that, And it turned
[39:51] Speaker 3: out that that the creek I wanted to work on
[39:55] Speaker 3: came out of a lake, so that kind of missed
[39:58] Speaker 3: that up for me. And so I just was out
[40:04] Speaker 3: wandering around and came on this group of sasquatch and
[40:09] Speaker 3: they asked me if I wanted to join with them.
[40:13] Speaker 3: Is you got to understand when one knows something, they
[40:16] Speaker 3: all know it. So wheneverherever I go, they know who
[40:20] Speaker 3: I am, and I don't have to I don't have
[40:25] Speaker 3: to wait for them at all.
[40:29] Speaker 1: Can you describe how those sasquatch looked like that you
[40:33] Speaker 1: saw on that island specifically?
[40:36] Speaker 3: Oh, just the same as any other buried in color
[40:39] Speaker 3: from There were no redwoods in that group, but there
[40:42] Speaker 3: were from white to black and everything in between, just
[40:46] Speaker 3: like they're just like our hair color varies, so does theirs.
[40:51] Speaker 3: And they were they were all of a size, you know,
[40:56] Speaker 3: they were much bigger than me. I was just looking
[40:59] Speaker 3: at them from somewhere between just above the navel to
[41:02] Speaker 3: the middle aged build a chest and heights. It's just
[41:09] Speaker 3: that's how it was. There were run of the mill,
[41:12] Speaker 3: And like I said, it was a burial ceremony that
[41:16] Speaker 3: they'd asked me to attend with them. And I was
[41:18] Speaker 3: with eighteen males and there were some females too. For
[41:22] Speaker 3: the ceremony, the males and females separated and one on
[41:26] Speaker 3: the one side and one on the other side.
[41:30] Speaker 1: What was your part in the ceremony? Was it just
[41:33] Speaker 1: to watch what was going on there?
[41:34] Speaker 3: Just to watch?
[41:39] Speaker 1: Did you get any feeling as to if it was
[41:43] Speaker 1: a natural death or if if something.
[41:45] Speaker 3: That was natural? Okay, it was natural? Yeah, And you
[41:49] Speaker 3: had to remember not like state of Washington, there's about
[41:53] Speaker 3: three hundred in the state of Washington, seventy two thousand
[41:58] Speaker 3: square miles. They live about one hundred years nominally unless
[42:03] Speaker 3: an accident happens, but their age is about one hundred years. Now,
[42:08] Speaker 3: that means that in the state of Washington, in those
[42:11] Speaker 3: seventy two thousand square miles, there will be three deaths
[42:14] Speaker 3: a year. Does that answer your way? You don't find
[42:18] Speaker 3: a body?
[42:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely would would make it a lot more sense.
[42:24] Speaker 1: So are they actually burying them like we do, you know,
[42:28] Speaker 1: digging a hole in the ground and.
[42:30] Speaker 3: They're all the way down? Yeah, way down and you wouldn't.
[42:36] Speaker 3: I know what they look like, so I know what
[42:37] Speaker 3: to look for, but you would never believe it was
[42:40] Speaker 3: a grave if you found one. Yeah, they'll transport transfer trees,
[42:47] Speaker 3: transplant trees a foot and a half in diameter over
[42:53] Speaker 3: the top of the grave any the year. You'll never
[42:57] Speaker 3: know that they hadn't lived there forever. And yeah, admit,
[43:01] Speaker 3: you'll never find it their graves.
[43:04] Speaker 1: How far down are they usually having to dig.
[43:06] Speaker 3: From anywhere from four feet to twenty feet depending on
[43:11] Speaker 3: the soil.
[43:14] Speaker 1: Does is the tree? Does a tree act as a
[43:16] Speaker 1: sort of sort of marker? Do they have like a
[43:19] Speaker 1: marker that honors that like we do?
[43:23] Speaker 3: They'll put a big rock there for that, Yeah, I
[43:26] Speaker 3: think that's the purpose of that. But they'll plant, you know,
[43:29] Speaker 3: two or three trees just to disguise it as what
[43:33] Speaker 3: that's for.
[43:36] Speaker 2: Very interesting.
[43:38] Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on There's there's a whole, a
[43:42] Speaker 1: whole lot in the community in the last few years
[43:45] Speaker 1: of tree structures and axes and is that a thing
[43:50] Speaker 1: that you would ever notice in your research going far?
[43:54] Speaker 3: Absolutely?
[43:54] Speaker 2: Okay.
[43:56] Speaker 3: My partners and I did it a five year study
[44:01] Speaker 3: on their glyphs and their their uh structures. We did
[44:08] Speaker 3: it in BC, and one of one of my partners
[44:12] Speaker 3: lived in BC and had a great place to do it,
[44:16] Speaker 3: and so that's where we did the study. Uh and uh. Yes,
[44:21] Speaker 3: they very definitely are are. They're a way of communication,
[44:27] Speaker 3: most of the glyphs, and it's mostly between them. If
[44:31] Speaker 3: the glyph is for you, you'll have no fun, no
[44:34] Speaker 3: trouble in understand it. You may have you may have
[44:38] Speaker 3: to think about it a little bit, but you'll have
[44:41] Speaker 3: no trouble in understanding it. If it's not for you, you're
[44:44] Speaker 3: reading somebody else's mail. And that's difficult to do because
[44:50] Speaker 3: I mean, just look at English and take the word
[44:52] Speaker 3: b O W and tell me what it means. You know,
[44:56] Speaker 3: it could be a ribbon in your hair. It could
[45:01] Speaker 3: be a bend at the waist. It could be the
[45:03] Speaker 3: front end of a ship. It can be something to
[45:06] Speaker 3: loan scenario with all of them the same word. Right.
[45:11] Speaker 2: It's all about context, that is.
[45:14] Speaker 3: It's all about context. And if you don't if it's
[45:17] Speaker 3: not for you, you don't know the context, so it's
[45:21] Speaker 3: impossible to know the meaning. Okay, One thing I will
[45:26] Speaker 3: tell you, there are general signs that generally mean a
[45:33] Speaker 3: specific area thought. The access almost always a welcome, welcome,
[45:39] Speaker 3: a friendship sign. The asterisk is a power sign, power symbol,
[45:47] Speaker 3: you know, so those are pretty common. You find a
[45:51] Speaker 3: lot of both of those. And when you find an
[45:56] Speaker 3: asterisk that's tied in the center, and I've got a
[45:59] Speaker 3: few of those, you know, that puts a special emphasis
[46:05] Speaker 3: on it. That's a very special spot.
[46:14] Speaker 1: On your website. I saw that it makes mention of
[46:18] Speaker 1: a c upcoming expedition, and it also makes mention of
[46:23] Speaker 1: a prior expedition back in twenty fourteen, right at the
[46:27] Speaker 1: Go Road, specifically Elk Meadows, and that it was a
[46:31] Speaker 1: very interesting expedition. Would you be able to share maybe
[46:35] Speaker 1: a little bit about what happened on that expedition.
[46:38] Speaker 3: Part of that. I already told you the deal Checkie
[46:42] Speaker 3: happened on.
[46:42] Speaker 1: That way, So that's the same thing, Okay, perfect, great, Yeah, okay,
[46:47] Speaker 1: I was curious.
[46:49] Speaker 3: Yeah, And oh my heavens, we saw had five sasquatch
[46:54] Speaker 3: sightings right in camp, the two on the road. We
[46:59] Speaker 3: had them in the lamp all night long, every night.
[47:03] Speaker 3: That camp is where the term Sashquat pinnata came from. Kathy,
[47:11] Speaker 3: one of the people there, she likes to put her
[47:15] Speaker 3: tent away from everybody else so that the young ones
[47:18] Speaker 3: will come play with their candid night and she talks
[47:22] Speaker 3: to him, has a great time. About the third morning,
[47:26] Speaker 3: she came to the fire and her eyes like like
[47:29] Speaker 3: two burnholes in a blanket. She had any sleep at all,
[47:33] Speaker 3: you know. And Arla says, you know, what's the matter,
[47:36] Speaker 3: Kathy aren't getting any sleep? She says, no, they won't
[47:39] Speaker 3: let me sleep. I you know, you know, I try
[47:43] Speaker 3: to get to sleep and they pope me through the tent.
[47:46] Speaker 3: She said, just Kat sleep at all. Well, she says,
[47:50] Speaker 3: tell them that that you need your sleep and leave
[47:53] Speaker 3: you alone tonight. He said, can I do that? Arlie said,
[47:57] Speaker 3: sure you can't because she's okay, okay, guys, listen up.
[48:02] Speaker 3: You leave me alone tonight. Go play with Nancy. Poor Nancy. Uh.
[48:08] Speaker 3: She and her husband Russ were down at the other
[48:10] Speaker 3: end of the meadow and they slept in on hammocks,
[48:17] Speaker 3: and those little guys they'd run by, and they'd as
[48:21] Speaker 3: they ran by, they'd pop them on the butt in
[48:23] Speaker 3: the hammock. And that's where that's where the terms I
[48:26] Speaker 3: squatched Prignotta came from another thing that all happened. Oh jeezu.
[48:35] Speaker 3: We had him all around the camp. Kathy was walking
[48:39] Speaker 3: back to her tent from She and I sat up
[48:42] Speaker 3: late one night talking. She's been a good friend for
[48:46] Speaker 3: so many years. And I had gone to bed, I'd
[48:50] Speaker 3: headed for my tent, and she made sure the fire
[48:52] Speaker 3: was down in good shape, that there was wood there
[48:56] Speaker 3: for the morning. Was it was late. It was after
[48:59] Speaker 3: eleven o'clock and usually I'm in bed by eight eight
[49:02] Speaker 3: point thirty. And she's walking back to her tent and
[49:08] Speaker 3: walks right face to face into one I mean six
[49:11] Speaker 3: eight feet and it just froze her in place, absolutely
[49:16] Speaker 3: frozer in place. You've got to remember, this is a
[49:19] Speaker 3: safety factory. They do that because then they can get
[49:26] Speaker 3: away and you don't don't go running off running a
[49:31] Speaker 3: mark across the field or something like. Where we were
[49:34] Speaker 3: there there were trenches all over the place and you
[49:38] Speaker 3: could run off into one of those that kill yourself.
[49:41] Speaker 3: And so it kept her still. Well. They moved outout
[49:46] Speaker 3: a position and then I'm in my tent and you're
[49:52] Speaker 3: tib tib, come here and help me. I need you,
[49:59] Speaker 3: so okay, Kath, yeah me read. Let me put my
[50:01] Speaker 3: pants bag on because I was just getting in bed.
[50:05] Speaker 3: I'd already gotten taken my medications for the evening and
[50:10] Speaker 3: was just just laying down on my bed and got
[50:14] Speaker 3: back up, pulled my pants all night, didn't put the
[50:17] Speaker 3: bitch shoes on. And it's cold. I mean, we're fifty
[50:20] Speaker 3: five hundred six thousand feet elevation in mid June. It's
[50:24] Speaker 3: cold that night. And I get over there and here
[50:28] Speaker 3: she has been over That's what happened, ken, She's I
[50:32] Speaker 3: don't know. All I saw was a great, bigger redwood
[50:35] Speaker 3: log standing up right, said. I couldn't see above his waist,
[50:41] Speaker 3: but I saw these two big redwood lugs. And I
[50:45] Speaker 3: looked up and he was back behind it by a tree.
[50:49] Speaker 3: There's a porter from senior tree that grew just behind
[50:52] Speaker 3: her tent, and he was standing there with that. And
[50:55] Speaker 3: the funny thing is they were apologizing to one another,
[50:58] Speaker 3: and neither one was to the other one, and it
[51:02] Speaker 3: was so funny. And I advised told him. I says, okay, brother,
[51:07] Speaker 3: I've got her. You can let her go. Now, you
[51:09] Speaker 3: can release her. I'll make sure she doesn't run them up.
[51:13] Speaker 3: And he did, and I told her, I just grab
[51:16] Speaker 3: you a cap and throw out my tent and stay
[51:18] Speaker 3: there tonight, and you know that that bothered her though
[51:22] Speaker 3: for quite a while. It's just been the last couple
[51:25] Speaker 3: of years now that she's pretty much returned to normal
[51:29] Speaker 3: and able to face him again. Now she didn't realize
[51:33] Speaker 3: what they'd done or why they'd done it. She knew
[51:37] Speaker 3: what they'd done, but not why they've done it. And
[51:39] Speaker 3: actually she found that out. She's a little bit better
[51:41] Speaker 3: with it, and she's back pretty much of normal now,
[51:45] Speaker 3: well normal for Kathy anyway. But yeah, that's just a
[51:51] Speaker 3: few of the things that have happened here. I wrote
[51:53] Speaker 3: what four or five different essays on things that happened
[51:58] Speaker 3: in that twenty fourteen camp, and what I want to
[52:01] Speaker 3: do in twenty and twenty twenty five is returned there
[52:07] Speaker 3: and I want to make this the event of the
[52:10] Speaker 3: decade of the twenty twenties, things that nobody's ever done
[52:17] Speaker 3: before on a camp out there. I will have to
[52:20] Speaker 3: limit the people that come, but we're going to have
[52:29] Speaker 3: a presentation every day by one person or another. We're
[52:33] Speaker 3: going to do a expedition into the Patterson Givenlan film site,
[52:42] Speaker 3: probably an overnighter. We will have several different interest groups formed.
[52:50] Speaker 3: There'll be one interest group headed by somebody that's will
[52:54] Speaker 3: knowledge in Sasquatch. There'll be another interest group headed by
[52:58] Speaker 3: somebody that's will informed. On RBS. There'll be another one
[53:03] Speaker 3: maybe owned little people, maybe on ets. And we haven't
[53:07] Speaker 3: decided that. We haven't meet a planning meeting coming up
[53:13] Speaker 3: after our camp out in the Blue Mountains this week,
[53:18] Speaker 3: So next week or two we'll plan that and get
[53:21] Speaker 3: things decided, end up and figured out. But it's on
[53:27] Speaker 3: my website, and my website is easy to find. It's
[53:31] Speaker 3: just my name dot com, Tomcantrall dot com. And the
[53:35] Speaker 3: reason I did that is I started out when I
[53:37] Speaker 3: first had a website, I used my first book name
[53:41] Speaker 3: go through Ruby Ridge dot com. But by the time
[53:44] Speaker 3: I'd written ten books, the name of my website was
[53:47] Speaker 3: too long to handle anymore.
[53:50] Speaker 2: Gotcha.
[53:51] Speaker 1: It sounds like a really interesting, fun time and I'll
[53:55] Speaker 1: definitely have the link to that in the show notes
[53:58] Speaker 1: for this. Okay, thank you, Tom, Have you ever well?
[54:03] Speaker 1: So there's a question I asked a lot of times,
[54:06] Speaker 1: and I think I already know the answer because of
[54:08] Speaker 1: how your accounts have been so far. I'm just going
[54:11] Speaker 1: to ask it though. Has there ever been a time
[54:14] Speaker 1: when you're in the woods there's been sasquatch involved where
[54:18] Speaker 1: things just get really intense and you're like, I don't
[54:21] Speaker 1: want to be in this situation right now. I'd rather
[54:24] Speaker 1: be out of this situation.
[54:25] Speaker 3: Yes, okay, oh, yes, that's happened. And usually it's because
[54:30] Speaker 3: I've gotten somewhere where I shouldn't be. Okay, and usually
[54:34] Speaker 3: that involves a mother and a child. But I solved it.
[54:39] Speaker 3: I just left, Okay, And don't try to push them.
[54:45] Speaker 3: I don't care what species you're talking about. A mother
[54:47] Speaker 3: is going to protect your childern and with any means possible. Also,
[54:55] Speaker 3: juvenile or adolescent males. Nobody, it's in more trouble and
[55:01] Speaker 3: in each species than adolescent males. Okay. They do the
[55:05] Speaker 3: weirdest things. There's no there's no accounting for them. Okay,
[55:12] Speaker 3: And uh, that's it's it's a terrible thing. But just leave.
[55:17] Speaker 3: Say hey, I don't want to disturb you. Talk to them.
[55:21] Speaker 3: Please talk to them. They'll understand you. And just say hey,
[55:26] Speaker 3: I don't want to disturb you, I don't want any trouble.
[55:29] Speaker 3: I'll just leave now and come back later. There's no
[55:32] Speaker 3: no problem. You know, we're in their home. What would
[55:38] Speaker 3: you do if somebody came in your home right and
[55:40] Speaker 3: started out?
[55:42] Speaker 1: Okay, was that in the Pacific Northwest that that happened?
[55:46] Speaker 3: Oh, I've had that happen in Georgia. I've had it
[55:48] Speaker 3: happen in Oklahoma. Had it happen in Alaska, I've had
[55:51] Speaker 3: a pc everywhere. It's the same thing. Yeah.
[55:57] Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about a specific place, just something,
[56:01] Speaker 1: a place that's kept coming up a few times from
[56:04] Speaker 1: different people. Is have you heard anything about Spirit Lake
[56:08] Speaker 1: in Ore again in the Wilamotte National Forest.
[56:13] Speaker 3: Oh?
[56:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, is there anything you can share about that area.
[56:18] Speaker 3: I'm not that familiar with it. I've just heard stories about.
[56:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have not been, you have heard sasquatch
[56:25] Speaker 1: experiences from that area?
[56:27] Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, yes, Oh wow.
[56:32] Speaker 1: I've heard some pretty intense things from people that are
[56:37] Speaker 1: not researchers, that are not you know, in quotations bigfoot people,
[56:41] Speaker 1: but they have been in that area doing nature things
[56:44] Speaker 1: and they've run into these creatures. So I think that
[56:50] Speaker 1: area in the wilama is a very active area just
[56:55] Speaker 1: from from.
[56:58] Speaker 3: Entire while I am at National for US exactly if
[57:01] Speaker 3: I've been and other places in there and just had
[57:04] Speaker 3: great great, great, great things happened. That's where I had
[57:08] Speaker 3: my first heating experience. Was it was the south southwest
[57:16] Speaker 3: of Mount Hood in the Alignment National Forest, and we
[57:22] Speaker 3: were in camp with Jeff Rohn and Jim Unt don't
[57:32] Speaker 3: get older now, whether right, yeah, but some of the
[57:37] Speaker 3: old oregans as watch people, Autumn Williams, that old group wow.
[57:42] Speaker 3: And there are about ten or twelve of us in
[57:45] Speaker 3: camp there and my partner, research partner, Sue, and I
[57:52] Speaker 3: were invited to join him. And I was feeling, Oh,
[57:56] Speaker 3: I was terrible. My heart was out of sink and
[58:00] Speaker 3: and it was absolutely absolutely out of this world. Hurry man.
[58:09] Speaker 3: I could barely breathe, I could, I could barely do anything.
[58:15] Speaker 3: And Jim, Jim Toman told Jeff, he says, I don't
[58:19] Speaker 3: think we're going to see tom here tomorrow. And I wasn't.
[58:22] Speaker 3: I was headed back to town to head to a doctor.
[58:26] Speaker 3: And that night and so i'd like the second or
[58:28] Speaker 3: third night in camp. So I squatch had been around
[58:33] Speaker 3: our cans all that long. I mean, I had, you know,
[58:36] Speaker 3: footprints sixteen inches long right next to my camp. And
[58:43] Speaker 3: on this particular night, I woke up just before daylight
[58:47] Speaker 3: and there was a buzzing sound, and Sue was awake.
[58:52] Speaker 3: She's where's that buzzing sound coming from? I said, right
[58:55] Speaker 3: out of my chest, And it was if you point
[58:57] Speaker 3: to points your finger right below your sternum, right at
[59:02] Speaker 3: the base of the sternum, that's where I was coming from.
[59:05] Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, it burned the spot in
[59:07] Speaker 3: my skin, and I've got pictures of it. I've posted
[59:09] Speaker 3: pictures of it, of that burned spot. And it stayed
[59:13] Speaker 3: for actually stayed for a couple of years before finally
[59:17] Speaker 3: went away. And it was just a sound, and I
[59:23] Speaker 3: thought it went for fifteen or twenty minutes before it stopped.
[59:27] Speaker 3: Two got up. She looked outside the tent, but didn't
[59:30] Speaker 3: see anything. She never went outside. She did look, I
[59:34] Speaker 3: found out later she said, no, no, that was been
[59:36] Speaker 3: going on for two or three hours. And what it
[59:40] Speaker 3: did it reset my heart. My heart is in u
[59:46] Speaker 3: as in fibrillation all the time, one hundred percent of
[59:51] Speaker 3: the time. But it made it so it was in
[59:54] Speaker 3: rhythm again, and they did at that time. They did
[59:59] Speaker 3: it one more time in a camp later on up
[1:00:01] Speaker 3: in northern Idaho. They treated it again, and that happened
[1:00:06] Speaker 3: first time in the Land of the lamit. Wow.
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: Uh, that's incredible. I mean, that's that's amazing that that
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: was able to happen. And it's definitely a good thing
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: it was able to happen as well.
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: They've kept me alive, they really have exactly.
[1:00:27] Speaker 3: I just just this last week, I had a siege
[1:00:31] Speaker 3: that hit me. I called for help from my teacher
[1:00:34] Speaker 3: and it just went away, just like you snapped your fingers.
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: Wow.
[1:00:40] Speaker 3: The last three days, my blood creature has been way
[1:00:44] Speaker 3: high all at once. I asked him for help and
[1:00:47] Speaker 3: just weren't as normal. So yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be
[1:00:54] Speaker 3: alive now if it weren't for them.
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: That's extremely interesting. So you've mentioned you've been all over
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: the US looking for sasquatch, which is incredible. Over the years,
[1:01:07] Speaker 1: did you ever were you ever able to go down
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: to Southeast Oklahoma?
[1:01:13] Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, yeah, yeah. I spoke of the Honaby conference
[1:01:16] Speaker 3: there a couple of different years, and Allah lives in
[1:01:20] Speaker 3: southeast Oklahoma, Okay, and yeah, so that's one of my
[1:01:25] Speaker 3: favorite areas because they're all over down there. But one
[1:01:30] Speaker 3: of my favorite occurrences happened in Georgia at our camp there. Okay,
[1:01:35] Speaker 3: we're west of Atlanta, only about eight or ten miles
[1:01:40] Speaker 3: from the Alabama line, and we're in camp eighteen of
[1:01:48] Speaker 3: us around the campfire, and two of them come and
[1:01:50] Speaker 3: stood right behind me at the campfire. So I tell people,
[1:01:57] Speaker 3: if anybody wants to go that one a liar got
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: to call eighteen people a wire, including the Georgia Superior
[1:02:04] Speaker 3: Court judge.
[1:02:06] Speaker 2: Who was there.
[1:02:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, oh wow, yep. And they they turned and walked
[1:02:14] Speaker 3: back in the brush. Paula Keith Bearden.
[1:02:20] Speaker 1: I've been trying to talk to Keith for a long time.
[1:02:22] Speaker 3: Yep. Oh, if you do tell him, I said, I
[1:02:26] Speaker 3: sent you, all right, he'll talk to all right, Uh,
[1:02:29] Speaker 3: good friend. And two other people anyway, oh h Jonathan
[1:02:35] Speaker 3: Goebels and a young young man I can't remember his name,
[1:02:39] Speaker 3: Jack Jack. And they took off and walked back in
[1:02:44] Speaker 3: the brush fall. And there was a third one back
[1:02:46] Speaker 3: there that wouldn't come out, but I did add two
[1:02:50] Speaker 3: of them stand right behind me his campfire. I looked
[1:02:53] Speaker 3: up over my back backwards, upside upside down, sasquats look
[1:03:02] Speaker 3: yeah and yeah, but all all everybody there, so.
[1:03:07] Speaker 2: All m tom At.
[1:03:12] Speaker 1: You know, over the years that you were your researching,
[1:03:16] Speaker 1: were you at any point able to get evidence, like,
[1:03:21] Speaker 1: did you ever cast footprints or trying to get photo
[1:03:25] Speaker 1: evidence or audio recordings or anything.
[1:03:28] Speaker 3: No, I never tried the photos and audio. But yeah,
[1:03:33] Speaker 3: I cast enough footprints admarrage full of them and finally
[1:03:37] Speaker 3: gave them all away. And now I've been working working
[1:03:45] Speaker 3: on just things. I'm sure I just did a presentation
[1:03:54] Speaker 3: or put together a PowerPoint and we're going to do
[1:03:58] Speaker 3: the the resentation on it online here sometime the next
[1:04:03] Speaker 3: week or two on absolute scientific proof of not only
[1:04:11] Speaker 3: their existence but the veracity of the patters. Medium Lunfeld.
[1:04:18] Speaker 3: It's a very simple system and it's called in thememberable
[1:04:22] Speaker 3: in days. It's just something that's taught in every anatomy
[1:04:26] Speaker 3: class and in the country. And what it is is
[1:04:30] Speaker 3: the ratio of your arm link to your leg link.
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: In US, that ratio is seventy two. Our arms are
[1:04:40] Speaker 3: seventy two percent of the length of our legs. In
[1:04:44] Speaker 3: chimpanzees it's one hundred and five. Their arms are just
[1:04:48] Speaker 3: slightly longer than their legs. In gorillas it's one hundred
[1:04:52] Speaker 3: and twenty two. They're substantially longer than their legs sasquatch,
[1:05:00] Speaker 3: If you ever worked at frame three fifty four where
[1:05:03] Speaker 3: she's looking back and her arms extended. Okay, you can
[1:05:08] Speaker 3: tell the arms are longer right there. And remember decks
[1:05:13] Speaker 3: is eighty four. And if you ever want to, if
[1:05:17] Speaker 3: you ever want to check the veracity of a photograph,
[1:05:22] Speaker 3: check the intermemberble index on it. Everything in UTV puts
[1:05:27] Speaker 3: out is seventy two. It's all human. The Bob Heronymous
[1:05:36] Speaker 3: suit seventy two, who was at Leroy Blevins, who said
[1:05:42] Speaker 3: he he debunked the Patterson Gimman Thulm entirely and they
[1:05:48] Speaker 3: learned how to walk and all of that. And do
[1:05:53] Speaker 3: the intermember index it's seventy two. Do it on Patty
[1:05:58] Speaker 3: it's eighty four. Do it on the fourth of July
[1:06:03] Speaker 3: footage it's eighty four.
[1:06:06] Speaker 2: Okay, do it.
[1:06:07] Speaker 3: Do it on the Marble Mountain footage it's eighty four.
[1:06:13] Speaker 2: Is it really?
[1:06:15] Speaker 3: Do it on on Paul Freeman's eighty four?
[1:06:20] Speaker 2: Is it really? Okay? Wow?
[1:06:23] Speaker 3: Yep. Do it on Tom Seward's stuff that he posted
[1:06:29] Speaker 3: with seventy two. Do it on Todd Standings it's seventy two.
[1:06:35] Speaker 2: Gotcha, Okay, that's incredible.
[1:06:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's all you have to do. I have
[1:06:44] Speaker 3: in March seventy two. So I've got what I've done
[1:06:49] Speaker 3: is I've taken testimony of experts on the Patterson given
[1:06:53] Speaker 3: on film, starting with John Chambers and doctor Leams and
[1:07:01] Speaker 3: doctor Andrew Nelson, Uh, Jeff Jeff Melberm and Bill Muns.
[1:07:09] Speaker 3: I don't know how much bills you've done, but that
[1:07:12] Speaker 3: man has got the best best in the world at
[1:07:15] Speaker 3: proving it. And uh read his book When Roger Met
[1:07:19] Speaker 3: Patty and look at his you as a YouTube site,
[1:07:25] Speaker 3: Bill Mun's reports. When you get done there, there's no
[1:07:29] Speaker 3: way that you can even consider that it's anything but
[1:07:32] Speaker 3: the real thing. And people who were still arguing that
[1:07:36] Speaker 3: there's a fake just have no idea what they're talking about.
[1:07:40] Speaker 3: They had. They're not listening to people that know about it.
[1:07:43] Speaker 3: They're listening to their brother in law. You know, even
[1:07:48] Speaker 3: Peter Brooke, who's who ran Jim Henson Creature Shop. Can
[1:07:54] Speaker 3: you think he doesn't know something about making costumes? Absolutely,
[1:07:59] Speaker 3: he said, And he said it could not possibly be
[1:08:03] Speaker 3: a suit or as impossible to make a suit like
[1:08:06] Speaker 3: that in nineteen sixty seven. So yeah, all of these
[1:08:11] Speaker 3: things count.
[1:08:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom, I really appreciate your time today. I have
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: one more question for you before the end of your time.
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: I feel like there's a in the community, like I
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: hear a lot of things. I talk to a lot
[1:08:29] Speaker 1: of people, and there seems to be start of a
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: focus on let's capture a type specimen, but let's try
[1:08:40] Speaker 1: to pretty much put it on the slab to be blunt.
[1:08:44] Speaker 1: And I try to talk people out of that just
[1:08:48] Speaker 1: for safety reasons.
[1:08:51] Speaker 3: Please do There's no reason for it, none whatsoever. All
[1:08:56] Speaker 3: people who want or demanding proof want is to satisfy
[1:09:01] Speaker 3: their own This will show the people will have been
[1:09:04] Speaker 3: told me, no, that's not what this is about. And
[1:09:08] Speaker 3: the last thing I ever want to do is to
[1:09:10] Speaker 3: have the government having them proven to the point that
[1:09:14] Speaker 3: the government tries to take control. Look at our government's
[1:09:20] Speaker 3: track record with indigenous people and tell me how you
[1:09:24] Speaker 3: want them to. First of all, they try to put
[1:09:27] Speaker 3: them all in one place, and you can imagine that
[1:09:29] Speaker 3: was sassquatch. That's just not going to no, no, but
[1:09:38] Speaker 3: an even worst picture, everybody's going to be wanting everything
[1:09:43] Speaker 3: shut down, no logging whatsoever, nobody in the forest. Because
[1:09:50] Speaker 3: they're endangered. How do you know they're in dangered. They're
[1:09:53] Speaker 3: not dangered, we're endangered. They control their population very well.
[1:10:01] Speaker 3: I could give you examples of that and how they
[1:10:04] Speaker 3: do it, but that's not the point. The point is
[1:10:09] Speaker 3: there is no need for proof. Now they're coming forward.
[1:10:13] Speaker 3: They want want more contact, but they're choosing who they
[1:10:17] Speaker 3: want contact with, and they don't want contact with your
[1:10:21] Speaker 3: brother in law. They want contact with people they can
[1:10:25] Speaker 3: work with. And that's number one. Lose your fear. Fear
[1:10:31] Speaker 3: is one emotion they cannot work through, So lose your fear.
[1:10:37] Speaker 3: Number two, clear your heart. Be in respect. Yeah, you
[1:10:43] Speaker 3: got to be a pure heart, and you have to
[1:10:45] Speaker 3: be in respect. There is nothing that replaces respect. Okay,
[1:10:55] Speaker 3: if you do those things, then you have a very
[1:10:57] Speaker 3: good chance of having one walk up and say you know, hi,
[1:11:02] Speaker 3: I'm your teacher. Listen to me and we'll go far.
[1:11:10] Speaker 1: That's that's great advice, and I hope that people listening
[1:11:15] Speaker 1: to this take that to heart and definitely definitely think
[1:11:18] Speaker 1: about that before they are going out. But Tom, this
[1:11:22] Speaker 1: is this has been a very interesting discussion. Thank you
[1:11:26] Speaker 1: for sharing everything you've learned over the years. I really
[1:11:30] Speaker 1: appreciate being able to talk to you today.
[1:11:33] Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much. I've had very very profound
[1:11:36] Speaker 3: questions and it makes it very easy to do so,
[1:11:40] Speaker 3: and my advice to people just that relax, be yourself,
[1:11:45] Speaker 3: lose a fear. There's nothing to be fearful of. If
[1:11:48] Speaker 3: you think you have aggressive sashquatch, I made you one
[1:11:52] Speaker 3: years old, call me. All comes down in front of you.
[1:11:55] Speaker 3: It's that simple. I've been there, done that, you know, okay,
[1:12:02] Speaker 3: and my books and book pages down right now. I'm
[1:12:07] Speaker 3: working on it again. But please look at my books
[1:12:11] Speaker 3: that I've got to offer, and by one if you can.
[1:12:14] Speaker 3: I live in Social Security and an assisted living place
[1:12:19] Speaker 3: and that's my that's my extra money. They take all
[1:12:22] Speaker 3: my social Security money to pay for living here, and
[1:12:26] Speaker 3: so that's the money I kind of get around on
[1:12:29] Speaker 3: and do things with. So if you can see your
[1:12:32] Speaker 3: way for you to do it, buy a book. You'll
[1:12:35] Speaker 3: enjoy it. I'll even sign it for you if you
[1:12:37] Speaker 3: buy it off a page. They're also available in Amazon
[1:12:44] Speaker 3: to going by them there. But thank you very much
[1:12:48] Speaker 3: for this. That's been absolutely fun.
[1:12:52] Speaker 1: Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something
[1:12:54] Speaker 1: directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're
[1:12:58] Speaker 1: in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've
[1:13:01] Speaker 1: seen something that no one can explain or if you're
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told
[1:13:07] Speaker 1: to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen
[1:13:11] Speaker 1: something strange down on the ground, or if you're with
[1:13:14] Speaker 1: the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you've
[1:13:18] Speaker 1: stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And
[1:13:21] Speaker 1: if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder
[1:13:24] Speaker 1: who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.
[1:13:28] Speaker 1: If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,
[1:13:32] Speaker 1: or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're
[1:13:38] Speaker 1: a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under
[1:13:42] Speaker 1: contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.
[1:13:46] Speaker 1: If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a
[1:13:49] Speaker 1: spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,
[1:13:53] Speaker 1: or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA, or
[1:13:56] Speaker 1: anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,
[1:14:01] Speaker 1: then I want to talk to you, Even if it's anonymous.
[1:14:06] Speaker 1: You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.
[1:14:10] Speaker 1: The world needs to hear what you've been forced to
[1:14:12] Speaker 1: carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,
[1:14:19] Speaker 1: We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank
[1:14:23] Speaker 1: you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society Podcast.
[1:14:26] Speaker 1: Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is
[1:14:28] Speaker 1: bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth
[1:14:31] Speaker 1: is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you
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[1:14:58] Speaker 1: please I'd love to hear from you, so email me
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[1:15:24] Speaker 1: you are. Thanks again for following along with the Bigfoot
[1:15:27] Speaker 1: Society until next time. Keep your eyes open, trust your gut,
[1:15:31] Speaker 1: and never stop asking what else might be out there?
[1:15:33] Speaker 1: And see you in the woods.

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