# MYSTERIOUS FOREST VOICES STALK WITNESS IN BRADFORD, PENNSYLVANIA

An episode of [Bigfoot Society](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1453429066), 25 Jun 2026, 54 min.

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Bud grew up in the forests surrounding Bradford, Pennsylvania, where one summer afternoon an earth-shaking scream echoed through a valley and left a lasting impression. Years later, while repeatedly crossing a mountain to visit his girlfriend, he began hearing strange vocalizations that sounded like conversations hidden deep in the woods. As an adult living near Elijah Clark State Park in Georgia, Bud discovered a series of massive footprints near a secluded cove. The tracks were unlike anything he had encountered before, and the reaction from a wildlife officer only deepened the mystery. In this episode, Bud shares decades of experiences spanning Pennsylvania and Georgia, including unexplained screams, possible Sasquatch vocalizations, pine cone throwing incidents, large footprints, nighttime activity around his property, and unusual tree structures found in remote areas. Locations discussed include Bradford, Pennsylvania, the Allegheny National Forest region, Kinzua Viaduct, Elijah Clark State Park, Clark Hill Lake, Lincolnton, Georgia, and North Georgia. If you've ever wondered how a lifetime of seemingly unrelated events can point toward something hidden in the forests, this conversation is one you'll want to hear from beginning to end. 📖 Follow Jeremiah's cancer health updates here: https://www.caringbridge.org/site/569ef3d3-68be-11f1-8790-97fdfd2bbc64 🗣️ Share Your Story Had a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience? Send it to bigfootsociety@gmail.com – your story might be featured on the show! 🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube 🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube 💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts! 📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed) 👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share 🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist 🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters 💥 Support the Show & Get Perks ✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member ✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here 📱 Let’s Connect • Instagram: @bigfootsociety • Twitter: @bigfoot_society • TikTok: @bigfoot.society 🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links) These help support the show at no extra cost to you: • Beam (Better Sleep): Try Beam • Wildgrain (Better Bread): Join Here • Seed (Probiotics): Get Seed • Medi-Share (Healthcare): Learn More • LMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNT • Organic and non-GMO groceries delivered for less http://thrv.me/uarEhS 🎙️ Podcasting Tools: • Repurpose.io: Try It • Descript: Sign Up • Streamyard: Start Recording • Riverside.fm: Try Riverside 🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon ☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here 🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy 📬 Mailing Address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: You're listening to Big for Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
[0:03] Speaker 1: In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to
[0:05] Speaker 1: bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've
[0:08] Speaker 1: seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers
[0:12] Speaker 1: to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
[0:16] Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
[0:20] Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
[0:24] Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
[0:27] Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
[0:30] Speaker 1: So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers
[0:33] Speaker 1: as he continues his fight against cancer. For more updates
[0:37] Speaker 1: about his medical journey, please go to the carring Bridge
[0:40] Speaker 1: link in the show notes. Thank you, all right, Big
[0:44] Speaker 1: for Society, Welcome back to another episode. We've got the
[0:46] Speaker 1: privilege of talking to Bud today. Bud is a well
[0:50] Speaker 1: you know, we were talking about that right before the show,
[0:54] Speaker 1: and Bud is a even though he has never had
[0:57] Speaker 1: a sighting, he is a big football leaver from down
[1:01] Speaker 1: there in North Georgia. Because he's had some really interesting
[1:03] Speaker 1: things happen, and we're going to get into that later on.
[1:08] Speaker 1: But welcome to the show, Bud. How are you doing today, sir?
[1:11] Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. It's a pleasure and an honor to
[1:14] Speaker 2: be on your show. You're obviously one of the best,
[1:17] Speaker 2: and your work proves it well.
[1:21] Speaker 1: I appreciate the kind words. And if you want to
[1:23] Speaker 1: see a great background. Of course, this is for everyone
[1:27] Speaker 1: over on maybe Apple Podcasts or Spotify. There is a
[1:31] Speaker 1: version of this over on YouTube and you can Bud's
[1:34] Speaker 1: got a Sasquatch sign and maybe a little little stuff
[1:38] Speaker 1: from it. Looks like the Steelers. There is that the
[1:41] Speaker 1: yeah oh in the West Virginia big for shirt. So
[1:43] Speaker 1: make sure you head over to YouTube and follow us
[1:46] Speaker 1: over there. So throw us a subscribe. We just passed
[1:48] Speaker 1: ninety k and we're coming up coming out quick on
[1:51] Speaker 1: one hundred k. So you know, Bud, is there anything
[1:54] Speaker 1: else that the listeners would want to know about you
[1:57] Speaker 1: before we get going?
[2:00] Speaker 2: I don't think so. Just born and raised in northwest Pennsylvania,
[2:05] Speaker 2: you know, four hours north of Pittsburgh, two hours east
[2:08] Speaker 2: the Erie Alleghanty National Forest that was our playground. And
[2:14] Speaker 2: after college I moved down to Georgia. I did live
[2:18] Speaker 2: over in South Carolina across the River. I lived near
[2:20] Speaker 2: Augusta and then Lincoln and Georgia, then moved out to
[2:25] Speaker 2: where I'm at now in North Georgia, probably like about
[2:27] Speaker 2: ten years ago. Okay, so, but very interested in these
[2:32] Speaker 2: big foot because of things that I experienced. And the
[2:37] Speaker 2: thing about it which I'm going to, you know, go
[2:39] Speaker 2: into is I didn't really think about it when I
[2:41] Speaker 2: was actually experiencing that because I didn't really know what
[2:44] Speaker 2: I was experiencing until later then I figured out, Okay, wow,
[2:50] Speaker 2: that's kind of spooky.
[2:52] Speaker 1: So oh absolutely, yeah, that is intriguing to me. But
[2:57] Speaker 1: so you know, let's get right into it. Feel free
[3:00] Speaker 1: to take take us back to when maybe your first
[3:05] Speaker 1: experience that you realized later in life that there was
[3:09] Speaker 1: there was something happening at that point of your life.
[3:11] Speaker 1: And I know we've got a few pictures along the way,
[3:14] Speaker 1: so even even a better reason for individuals to check
[3:18] Speaker 1: out the YouTube version this time.
[3:21] Speaker 2: Okay, So mine mine basically started when I was about
[3:25] Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen years old, you know, living and growing up
[3:28] Speaker 2: in Bradford, and I was with I believe one of
[3:32] Speaker 2: my brothers and a friend. My father was with us,
[3:36] Speaker 2: but he was in the house at one of his
[3:38] Speaker 2: friend's house, and we just happened to drive out there
[3:41] Speaker 2: with him, and it was then kind of like the
[3:43] Speaker 2: proximity of one of the pictures I have, which is
[3:46] Speaker 2: called the Dorn Estate. It's a very nice place that
[3:51] Speaker 2: we have on the outkiritts of Barrappera. These people obviously
[3:54] Speaker 2: have a lot of money, and there's a lot of
[3:56] Speaker 2: wildlife and things out there. It wasn't actually within their area,
[4:00] Speaker 2: but wasn't too far from it as the crop lies,
[4:05] Speaker 2: and we were basically just standing outside on the road
[4:09] Speaker 2: waiting for my father to get done, you know, talking
[4:13] Speaker 2: to whoever he was talking to, or you know, whatever
[4:15] Speaker 2: business he was doing. And it was probably i'd say
[4:21] Speaker 2: twelve thirty one o'clock in the afternoon, a nice summer day,
[4:27] Speaker 2: you know, up in Pennsylvania, and all of a sudden
[4:31] Speaker 2: I heard one of their yells or screams or you
[4:35] Speaker 2: know whatever they're actually calling it. And it was one
[4:40] Speaker 2: of those guttural you know, I mean, it's just I
[4:47] Speaker 2: never I mean, I've been out well my whole life
[4:52] Speaker 2: up in Pennsylvania, and i know pretty much every sound
[4:55] Speaker 2: there is. You know, it wasn't a train, you know,
[4:58] Speaker 2: it wasn't a moose, it wasn't an elk, it wasn't
[5:01] Speaker 2: you know, something like that. And it literally felt like
[5:05] Speaker 2: the ground was shaking, and I wish I could have
[5:09] Speaker 2: recorded obviously I couldn't, but I didn't even think I
[5:12] Speaker 2: had a phone back then. But it just echoed down
[5:17] Speaker 2: this valley, and you know, we sat there, stood there,
[5:22] Speaker 2: I should say, for probably like fifteen minutes, just looking
[5:24] Speaker 2: at each other like what was that? You know, of course,
[5:30] Speaker 2: at that age you're not really thinking about really looking
[5:34] Speaker 2: into it anymore than just trying to think, hey, what
[5:36] Speaker 2: could have made that noise? But I knew at that
[5:40] Speaker 2: moment that whatever made it, it was nothing I'd ever
[5:44] Speaker 2: heard before, and whatever made that had to have the
[5:48] Speaker 2: lung capacity of just something that was enormous. I mean,
[5:54] Speaker 2: it was just I can't even explain it, and it
[5:59] Speaker 2: was just that awesome really, So of course, at that age,
[6:05] Speaker 2: fifteen minutes later, you know, our conclusion was, hey, that
[6:07] Speaker 2: was pretty cool. You know, go on with life, right,
[6:12] Speaker 2: So you know, I played nine different sports growing up,
[6:15] Speaker 2: so I was in pretty good shape. You know. That's
[6:18] Speaker 2: kind of like a marine, you know. So, and behind
[6:21] Speaker 2: my house, if you look at the picture, that we're
[6:24] Speaker 2: looking at right now. If you go to the right
[6:27] Speaker 2: hand side of it and go straight up, you can
[6:29] Speaker 2: see that mountain right there. I had a girlfriend that
[6:33] Speaker 2: lived on the other side of that mountain later, a
[6:36] Speaker 2: couple of years later, and I didn't have a car,
[6:40] Speaker 2: I couldn't go visit her. So, you know, I was
[6:42] Speaker 2: in pretty good shape, so I figured, well, why don't
[6:45] Speaker 2: I just walk right over the mountain. I can't walk,
[6:49] Speaker 2: and it would take me forever and go to the mountain.
[6:52] Speaker 2: I figured, well, maybe an hour and a half. Yeah,
[6:55] Speaker 2: right there. And I lived on a street called Summer Street,
[7:00] Speaker 2: and right toward the bottom of Summer Street there's a curve.
[7:02] Speaker 2: So if anybody who knows this area, which probably some
[7:05] Speaker 2: of the people see that, will know if you go
[7:07] Speaker 2: straight up in the woods. We had oil leases and
[7:09] Speaker 2: things up there, so we had little side roads and things.
[7:12] Speaker 2: But uh, you know, when the when the summer was in,
[7:15] Speaker 2: I mean it was pretty thick, really thick, and on
[7:19] Speaker 2: the top of that hill. I would go up to
[7:22] Speaker 2: the top, find a way to the top, and then
[7:25] Speaker 2: have to kind of traverse to the right and then
[7:29] Speaker 2: figure out a way where I needed to go down
[7:32] Speaker 2: the other side.
[7:33] Speaker 1: You know.
[7:33] Speaker 2: Of course, after a while I did figure it out.
[7:35] Speaker 2: But there were some guidelines up on the top of
[7:37] Speaker 2: the hill, like I believe there was an old homestead
[7:40] Speaker 2: up there, because you could see like a little pasture
[7:42] Speaker 2: and a fence and things like that, and I kind
[7:44] Speaker 2: of use that, you know, as as a guy. Well
[7:48] Speaker 2: what happened was and I probably I don't know how
[7:51] Speaker 2: many times I went up over that mountain because you know,
[7:53] Speaker 2: when you you know, you got to grow up and
[7:56] Speaker 2: you want to see him right. So but there were
[7:59] Speaker 2: time when I would hear people talking, right, and it
[8:04] Speaker 2: wasn't like normal people talking. And people I've spoken to
[8:09] Speaker 2: have actually told me he said, you know, you're probably
[8:11] Speaker 2: one of the few people in the world that have
[8:13] Speaker 2: heard these things talk so many times. And you know,
[8:17] Speaker 2: back then I was fearless. I mean, I was like
[8:19] Speaker 2: a marine. So I'd be and it was always within
[8:23] Speaker 2: the same I would say half a mile area, always
[8:28] Speaker 2: in that area. Uh, never in the wintertime, you know,
[8:32] Speaker 2: always in the summer. And I would hear like all
[8:37] Speaker 2: you know, pop pop, you know, and all that, and
[8:40] Speaker 2: I would be like, what is that. You know, I've
[8:42] Speaker 2: been chased by bears. I sat on rattlesnakes. I you know,
[8:47] Speaker 2: it's like, you know, I was fearless back then, and
[8:50] Speaker 2: I looked. I tried to figure out who is that,
[8:52] Speaker 2: Who's making that noise? What is that? And I would
[8:55] Speaker 2: look you know, of course I never I never saw anything.
[8:59] Speaker 1: You know.
[8:59] Speaker 2: I would hear like heavy footsteps and things and think, okay,
[9:03] Speaker 2: that was a big deer, you know. But because my
[9:06] Speaker 2: focus was I want to just go see my girlfriend.
[9:09] Speaker 2: So I was thinking about it, but not thinking about
[9:14] Speaker 2: it right after it happened. About nine or ten times,
[9:19] Speaker 2: I was still really thinking about it. But I you know,
[9:23] Speaker 2: who am I going to tell? Right, Hey, I heard
[9:26] Speaker 2: these noises, this is what they sound like?
[9:28] Speaker 1: What was that? Right?
[9:30] Speaker 2: And of course I had no proof of of seeing anything.
[9:34] Speaker 2: So eventually, obviously I graduated, I moved south, and this
[9:45] Speaker 2: is when I started to put everything together. I lived
[9:49] Speaker 2: on a street called Bermunta Avenue and it was in Lincolnton, Georgia,
[9:54] Speaker 2: and it was by the lake. Well it was it
[9:57] Speaker 2: was clark Hill Lake. They turned it into Thurman Lake
[10:01] Speaker 2: and Damon Lake. And I was about a mile from
[10:05] Speaker 2: a state park called Elijah Clark State Park. And I
[10:11] Speaker 2: had a lake house out there wasn't a fancy lake house.
[10:15] Speaker 2: In fact, I didn't even have central heat and air.
[10:18] Speaker 2: But you know, I got up so early in the
[10:20] Speaker 2: morning and left so late. It got home so late
[10:23] Speaker 2: at night that I really needed. I just had a
[10:25] Speaker 2: fan or a ceiling fan, a couple of you know,
[10:27] Speaker 2: window units. And this is where it started. I was
[10:32] Speaker 2: at the state park and we used to have a
[10:35] Speaker 2: banjo pull out there every couple of years, or every
[10:39] Speaker 2: every year really until they stopped it. And there are
[10:44] Speaker 2: times when I would get a cabin at the lake
[10:47] Speaker 2: or at the state park because you know, the South
[10:51] Speaker 2: gets hot, right, and I was out of town a lot,
[10:55] Speaker 2: so even on the weekends, I would be in a
[10:57] Speaker 2: hotel somewhere, you know, paid by my company or whatever.
[11:01] Speaker 2: But there were times I would rent a cabin because
[11:04] Speaker 2: I like to go fishing, and obviously we had a
[11:06] Speaker 2: lot of that. And if you click on the next screen,
[11:13] Speaker 2: see uh, I can show you Okay, oh this here
[11:18] Speaker 2: by the way, I'm sorry, I meant to mention this.
[11:20] Speaker 2: This is the area that I would walk up over
[11:24] Speaker 2: the mountain and then go back to the other side
[11:27] Speaker 2: and down there to the top screen is where I
[11:30] Speaker 2: would actually go to so that was the area where
[11:34] Speaker 2: I saw or heard I should say, you know all
[11:38] Speaker 2: these encounters. Yeah, that's so. This next screen is, let's
[11:47] Speaker 2: see go to the next one below that. This is
[11:51] Speaker 2: the area of where I was living. You see where
[11:54] Speaker 2: it says at eleven o five Bermuna Avenue. It was
[11:56] Speaker 2: right in that area right there, and you can see
[11:59] Speaker 2: it's not that far are from the state park, probably
[12:03] Speaker 2: about a mile. So the next screen, if you pull
[12:07] Speaker 2: that up, the cabins at a Isa Clark. Some of
[12:13] Speaker 2: them are in like little coves. So I was in
[12:17] Speaker 2: the cabin in this cove to the left where that
[12:21] Speaker 2: circle is, and I was fishing. I don't do good
[12:27] Speaker 2: at fishing, no patients and don't catch a lot. But
[12:30] Speaker 2: there was a log on the other side of the cove.
[12:33] Speaker 2: I'm thinking, okay, if I can get over to that log,
[12:37] Speaker 2: there's got to be a fish over there. For crying
[12:39] Speaker 2: out loud, you know, it literally took me thirty minutes
[12:43] Speaker 2: to go probably fifty yards because the thicket was it
[12:48] Speaker 2: was so thick around that, you know, around that cove.
[12:53] Speaker 2: When I got over there, you can see how the
[12:56] Speaker 2: road where the tip of the road is, where that
[13:01] Speaker 2: tip is where that cove is there was a little
[13:05] Speaker 2: clearing that kind of went up towards the direction of
[13:07] Speaker 2: the road. Back then, some of the buildings that you
[13:10] Speaker 2: see out by the road were not there yet. So
[13:12] Speaker 2: I think this is more of a recent picture from
[13:14] Speaker 2: the time, you know, when this happened. So there was
[13:18] Speaker 2: like a little clearing, and you know, I guess I
[13:22] Speaker 2: could compare it to see some people live out in
[13:24] Speaker 2: the country and they would have a path they would
[13:27] Speaker 2: use their mower to cut to go down to a
[13:29] Speaker 2: creek or pond or you know, something like that. But
[13:32] Speaker 2: this it wasn't very big. It just and it wasn't
[13:36] Speaker 2: the manicure you know thing. And I just happened to
[13:39] Speaker 2: look down and I see these huge footprints. They were probably,
[13:47] Speaker 2: if I had to say, if you look down out
[13:50] Speaker 2: of maybe four or five feet apart, and I was like, god, lye,
[13:54] Speaker 2: what you know, what could have made that? Right? First
[13:58] Speaker 2: of all, there was the other two little imprints in
[14:01] Speaker 2: between the two, so of course I took a picture
[14:04] Speaker 2: of it. Right, they were probably sixteen seventeen foot long.
[14:08] Speaker 2: You could see, you know what they say, the dermal ridges,
[14:11] Speaker 2: and you could see clearly, you know, the footprints and
[14:15] Speaker 2: I just kept thinking, okay, what could have made that?
[14:19] Speaker 2: My first thought was, okay, I know people have special shoes.
[14:23] Speaker 2: They were on boats, you know, they could The only
[14:25] Speaker 2: way they could have made it from a boat would
[14:27] Speaker 2: step off backwards. You can't even get a boat in there.
[14:30] Speaker 2: There's no way they could have could have even done that.
[14:34] Speaker 2: There definitely weren't fake footprints, right. So I took a
[14:38] Speaker 2: picture of them, and probably about a month or two later,
[14:42] Speaker 2: I was at the state park for this banjo pull
[14:45] Speaker 2: and I was showing them to a gentleman I had
[14:47] Speaker 2: just met that No them wasn't a friend or anything,
[14:49] Speaker 2: just a stranger. You know, you get to talking to people,
[14:52] Speaker 2: and one of the the n R Wildlife officers came
[14:57] Speaker 2: by and I said, hey, have you ever seen anything
[14:59] Speaker 2: like this? And he grabbed the picture. He looked at it,
[15:05] Speaker 2: he looked at me. He said, where'd you get these?
[15:07] Speaker 2: Do you have any more? He took them out of
[15:09] Speaker 2: my hand and just walked away, no way, and said nothing.
[15:14] Speaker 1: Oh man.
[15:15] Speaker 2: It was that moment that I thought, whoa okay? And
[15:20] Speaker 2: I was talking to the other gentleman and I said,
[15:23] Speaker 2: well that was kind of odd, now, wasn't it. Right,
[15:27] Speaker 2: That's when I started looking into and I found a
[15:31] Speaker 2: couple of yells, one from Ohio and one from Washington State,
[15:35] Speaker 2: and I was like, holy crap, that's exactly what I heard,
[15:38] Speaker 2: but maybe even a little bit more gutter all than that.
[15:41] Speaker 2: You know. I started doing some research, you know, and
[15:47] Speaker 2: kind of putting everything together, and then I started remembering
[15:50] Speaker 2: things that had happened before, you know, when I was
[15:54] Speaker 2: in Bradford. I remember one time I lived at another house.
[15:58] Speaker 2: It was on High Street. We had a brick company
[16:01] Speaker 2: right down the street, and we would play up on
[16:03] Speaker 2: the hill a lot, and my brothers and I were
[16:06] Speaker 2: up there one time just messing around. And I didn't
[16:13] Speaker 2: know if they were hiding from me or what, but
[16:14] Speaker 2: I couldn't find him, and I was looking for him,
[16:17] Speaker 2: and I started getting pine cones thrown at me. So
[16:21] Speaker 2: obviously I assume that's my brother right where are you at.
[16:24] Speaker 2: The only thing was I would have found them if
[16:27] Speaker 2: they were throwing pink. I mean, I played baseball softball.
[16:30] Speaker 2: I can see a pine cone coming and know it
[16:32] Speaker 2: had to come from that direction. It had to be,
[16:34] Speaker 2: you know, right over in there. There's no way they
[16:37] Speaker 2: could have hit from me throwing stuff at me, right, So,
[16:42] Speaker 2: but I couldn't find them. So I looked for them
[16:44] Speaker 2: for probably like forty five minutes, probably had like eight
[16:46] Speaker 2: or nine pine cones thrown at me. So finally I
[16:49] Speaker 2: was like, you know what, you guys, keep it up.
[16:50] Speaker 2: I'm leaving. Right when I got home, probably like twenty
[16:54] Speaker 2: minutes later, I said, did my brothers get home yet?
[16:59] Speaker 2: You know my mother? And they're like, oh, they've been
[17:01] Speaker 2: gone for like forty five minutes. They went with your
[17:04] Speaker 2: dad somewhere. So I'm like, well, I know a bear
[17:09] Speaker 2: can't throw you know, at that time, I didn't think
[17:12] Speaker 2: much of it. I'm like, okay, whatever, you know. But
[17:15] Speaker 2: looking back, you know, after I found these footprints and
[17:18] Speaker 2: after I started looking into things, there was no person
[17:22] Speaker 2: up there. A bear can't throw pine cones at people, right,
[17:28] Speaker 2: But again I didn't see anything, couldn't find anything, didn't
[17:33] Speaker 2: hear anything. So getting back to Georgia, I had purchased
[17:40] Speaker 2: a a street light that you can put in your yard.
[17:45] Speaker 2: You could rent it from like Georgia Power for like
[17:47] Speaker 2: nine dollars a month because where I lived and out
[17:50] Speaker 2: there was very dark. One night I was out there
[17:54] Speaker 2: and the cicadas are so loud down there, it's like
[17:57] Speaker 2: it'll give you a headache. And I was out there
[18:00] Speaker 2: about ten thirty one night. Just I would go out
[18:03] Speaker 2: there and just stand by my car and you know,
[18:05] Speaker 2: just listen to the woods and stuff, and all of
[18:08] Speaker 2: a sudden, it was just total silence, like everything stopped.
[18:15] Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, well that was kind of weird.
[18:19] Speaker 2: What was that, right? I heard some well if you say,
[18:25] Speaker 2: they weren't normal footsteps, you know. And at the time,
[18:30] Speaker 2: I was like, big deer. You know. Always my excuse
[18:34] Speaker 2: is always, well that's a really big deer. But that
[18:38] Speaker 2: happened several times. Also I would sleep. I had an
[18:42] Speaker 2: upstairs loft. I would sleep with my you know, the
[18:44] Speaker 2: window open, and I would hear things trumping through the
[18:48] Speaker 2: woods at two thirty in the morning, trees falling over.
[18:52] Speaker 2: I can't explain what that was, but and I can't
[18:55] Speaker 2: say that those were big butts of sasquatch, but they
[19:00] Speaker 2: certainly were not normal you know, of course always in
[19:04] Speaker 2: the summertime, you know, fall. But when that park ranger
[19:11] Speaker 2: saw those pictures and did that, like I said, that
[19:13] Speaker 2: kind of that kind of put two and two together
[19:15] Speaker 2: that look, there's there's something going on here. And after
[19:19] Speaker 2: doing all the investigation and looking them up and you know,
[19:25] Speaker 2: things have happened, and then starting to talk to other people,
[19:30] Speaker 2: I don't know what else that could tell me they
[19:37] Speaker 2: don't exist. And the one thing that sticks with me
[19:39] Speaker 2: that I just don't understand why a lot of researchers
[19:43] Speaker 2: even talk about are the gauge impressions. I mean, they've
[19:47] Speaker 2: had gauge impressions that out in the middle of nowhere,
[19:50] Speaker 2: one hundred miles out in the middle of nowhere, that
[19:53] Speaker 2: would show that whatever made those footprints, which clearly by
[19:57] Speaker 2: the area they were in, you could clearly see there
[20:01] Speaker 2: was no human intervention, right, But whatever made those had
[20:05] Speaker 2: to be you know, seven to nine feet tall, weigh
[20:09] Speaker 2: eight to twelve hundred pounds, and have over a five
[20:12] Speaker 2: foot stride. Then when you look at the tens of
[20:16] Speaker 2: thousands of eyewitnesses accounts, are you going to tell me
[20:19] Speaker 2: that every single one of those all over the world
[20:22] Speaker 2: are lying? Right? It's impossible, right, So for me, it's
[20:28] Speaker 2: not like, you know, I've got to show you that
[20:33] Speaker 2: they show me they don't exist. You know, I don't
[20:39] Speaker 2: have to show you they exist, but show me they
[20:40] Speaker 2: don't And I mean when I look at everything that
[20:44] Speaker 2: happened to me, especially when I you know, hearing hearing
[20:48] Speaker 2: them talk so many times, sometimes I think in my
[20:50] Speaker 2: mind I kind of chuckle, you know, I can imagine
[20:54] Speaker 2: what they were thinking when I was walking by, Like, oh,
[20:56] Speaker 2: here's that stupid kid again, I'm going over the mountain.
[20:59] Speaker 2: I think we should probab, we protect him, you know,
[21:01] Speaker 2: because there was a time I was up there and
[21:03] Speaker 2: I ended up. I got lost, and I was actually
[21:06] Speaker 2: between a mother and a cub, you know.
[21:09] Speaker 1: So I was like this mother and a cub there right.
[21:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, thinking this is good. But you know
[21:15] Speaker 2: I was I was always had the ability to stay
[21:17] Speaker 2: calm and just you know, not panic and okay, nice,
[21:21] Speaker 2: spare whatever. But I'll tell you what, And I think
[21:25] Speaker 2: I'm not the only one, and maybe a few will
[21:28] Speaker 2: probably admit that when we get older and like I
[21:33] Speaker 2: don't even go out in the woods anymore, you know,
[21:36] Speaker 2: I don't even do it, and I've got plenty of
[21:38] Speaker 2: places to do it. Of course, I'm not in very
[21:40] Speaker 2: good shape, so that's another reason. But and I think
[21:44] Speaker 2: that has part to do with what I'm going to say.
[21:46] Speaker 2: I think when we get older and we start realizing that,
[21:52] Speaker 2: you know, these things really do exist, and we look
[21:54] Speaker 2: at all the people that just go missing for no reason.
[22:00] Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it's Sasquatch is doing it. I
[22:03] Speaker 2: think there's other things in the world that maybe governments
[22:08] Speaker 2: have created or whatever, like dog man. You know. Uh,
[22:14] Speaker 2: but when you think about it, it's not a pleasant thought.
[22:19] Speaker 2: Just think. You know, you could just be out there
[22:23] Speaker 2: trying to enjoy yourself and then you're not. We just
[22:28] Speaker 2: had a guy what recently, I'd say, I don't know,
[22:32] Speaker 2: Blood Mountain in Georgia.
[22:34] Speaker 1: I've heard of that place.
[22:37] Speaker 2: They even saw him walking down. Where did he go?
[22:41] Speaker 2: I mean, that's not the first time that people have
[22:43] Speaker 2: gone missing there. I honestly don't think that people realize,
[22:49] Speaker 2: which is why I like to look at David Pilati's stuff.
[22:52] Speaker 2: How many people actually go missing in our country out
[22:55] Speaker 2: in the woods, even hunters, you know, just people that
[22:58] Speaker 2: are honestly I mean, I think I'll see. So the
[23:02] Speaker 2: bottom line is, I think they exist. I think there's
[23:05] Speaker 2: good ones and bad ones, you know. I think the
[23:08] Speaker 2: bad ones could be killing people. I wish I could
[23:12] Speaker 2: find this. I saw a story out of Mississippi one
[23:14] Speaker 2: time where they found a guy who was stuck behind
[23:18] Speaker 2: the seat of his pickup truck and it was one
[23:20] Speaker 2: of those old trucks where there ain't a lot of
[23:23] Speaker 2: room behind the sea and he was bent over, but
[23:26] Speaker 2: he was bent over backwards. I don't know anything that
[23:29] Speaker 2: could do that to a person, you know. So I
[23:34] Speaker 2: think there's other things out there, and I think the
[23:39] Speaker 2: government knows about it, right, But I'm one percent at
[23:46] Speaker 2: everything that I've experienced when I look back to things
[23:49] Speaker 2: I've seen, and there's no doubt in my mind that
[23:52] Speaker 2: these things exist, no.
[23:54] Speaker 1: Doubt at all. Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent.
[23:58] Speaker 1: You know, when you start putting yourself out there and
[24:02] Speaker 1: actually going out in the woods and you know, experiencing
[24:06] Speaker 1: things like you're seeing tracks or you're hearing what sounds like,
[24:11] Speaker 1: you know, talking like you've heard or like I've heard
[24:14] Speaker 1: roars and screams and things out in Oregon. And you know,
[24:19] Speaker 1: even though the two of us, like we haven't had
[24:23] Speaker 1: a visual there is still something out there that is
[24:29] Speaker 1: it's unexplained and the only logical explanation is that you know,
[24:35] Speaker 1: bigfoot israel out there. It's it's absolutely wild. And you know,
[24:40] Speaker 1: especially when you look at the circumstances of where Bradford,
[24:44] Speaker 1: Pennsylvania is, It's like it's right outside the Allegheny We're.
[24:51] Speaker 2: In the you know, the Allegheny National fourth Region, gotcha,
[24:55] Speaker 2: we're in that area right there.
[24:56] Speaker 1: So, you know, growing up and and then I don't know,
[25:01] Speaker 1: maybe you looked back into this area after you've grown
[25:05] Speaker 1: up into adulthood, did you start to track down any
[25:10] Speaker 1: stories from that area. I know, I've heard so many
[25:14] Speaker 1: things from that forest over the years, Bigfoot related things
[25:18] Speaker 1: that happen to people. It is just it's really really intense.
[25:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a gentleman that started a group up
[25:24] Speaker 2: in our hometown, and you know when I saw that,
[25:27] Speaker 2: I mentioned what happened to me. And there was a
[25:31] Speaker 2: lot of people I remember back then that commented on
[25:33] Speaker 2: that about things that they have had, you know, happen
[25:36] Speaker 2: in that area. And I know we've had many sightings
[25:39] Speaker 2: up in that area. Pennsylvania has a lot of sightings.
[25:44] Speaker 2: I mean, I also have relatives down in near Pittsburgh, well, Connersville, Scottdale,
[25:50] Speaker 2: Mount Pleasant kind of near the ridge that they talk about,
[25:55] Speaker 2: and Indiana, PA and places like that, and you know,
[26:00] Speaker 2: there's just so much woods down there, well in the
[26:03] Speaker 2: whole state. I mean, I just don't see how they
[26:08] Speaker 2: cannot exist. I just, you know, it's hard for anybody
[26:12] Speaker 2: to show me what I've experiences. There's just no way
[26:15] Speaker 2: that they don't. But I did have some experiences up
[26:19] Speaker 2: in back up in Bradford at our we have a
[26:23] Speaker 2: bridge called the Kenzie Viaduct and it was the Eighth
[26:26] Speaker 2: Wonder of the World before a tornado hit it and
[26:30] Speaker 2: took half of it down. But I was out there
[26:36] Speaker 2: visiting and I saw so many stick structures. It was unreal.
[26:42] Speaker 2: And I never noticed those before, you know, growing up,
[26:48] Speaker 2: they were probably all there. But the way they were
[26:51] Speaker 2: made is like what human could make that without having
[26:58] Speaker 2: a machine or something, which clearly there's no evidence of
[27:03] Speaker 2: that being used. How can they I mean, how do
[27:10] Speaker 2: you explain that? It's it's amazing, it's amazing.
[27:16] Speaker 1: So when you when you because I know in different
[27:19] Speaker 1: parts of the country there's different types of stick structures
[27:22] Speaker 1: that I've seen, how would you explain the type of
[27:25] Speaker 1: things that you were seeing around this area of Pennsylvania.
[27:30] Speaker 2: The ones I saw, I think we're more directional versus
[27:34] Speaker 2: for them to actually be, you know, staying in there
[27:37] Speaker 2: or maybe having their young staying there. I think they
[27:41] Speaker 2: were more of the exes in the the tree balancing
[27:48] Speaker 2: like it was in the circus, you know, like somebody
[27:51] Speaker 2: on a high wire, but yet it was in there good,
[27:55] Speaker 2: you know, how how they got it there? I have
[27:57] Speaker 2: no idea. Things like that were more are the ones
[28:01] Speaker 2: you know that I saw when I started thinking about
[28:04] Speaker 2: it and looking actually versus just kind of walking by,
[28:07] Speaker 2: I'm not thinking anything about it, but yeah, I saw several.
[28:10] Speaker 2: I actually we have a lot of those in Georgia too,
[28:13] Speaker 2: in North Georgia. In fact, we stayed at a place
[28:17] Speaker 2: last year in North Georgia and it's kind of like
[28:22] Speaker 2: a you know, people get married there, but yet they
[28:25] Speaker 2: have cottages and stuff and they're all out in the
[28:27] Speaker 2: woods and I don't even know, I'm assuming that people
[28:31] Speaker 2: know about it. But there's one place where there's this
[28:34] Speaker 2: huge ax. I mean, it's got to be seventy feet tall,
[28:42] Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know who made that? Like how
[28:47] Speaker 2: did they even do that? Or you know, take a
[28:50] Speaker 2: tree and shove it five feet into the ground upside
[28:53] Speaker 2: down right. I did see one of those one time,
[28:55] Speaker 2: thinking that was strong person, but a person couldn't done that.
[29:00] Speaker 1: You know, it's North Georgia has some weird stuff when
[29:04] Speaker 1: you look into it, and I mean, probably one of
[29:07] Speaker 1: the weirdest stories I've heard on the show is from
[29:12] Speaker 1: North Georgia, and I know there's an exhibit about it
[29:15] Speaker 1: over in the Expedition Bigfoot Museum. It's uh dalla NAGAEI
[29:22] Speaker 1: Dealanaga Georgia, thank you. And you have the military helicopter
[29:28] Speaker 1: that crashed, and the story goes is that the guys
[29:33] Speaker 1: were in the helicopters crashed and all of a sudden,
[29:35] Speaker 1: these like big hairy figures came out of nowhere and
[29:40] Speaker 1: trying to get in the helicopter to them, and I
[29:45] Speaker 1: think they were they were able to get them out
[29:48] Speaker 1: of there because they started firing at them from their weapons.
[29:51] Speaker 1: But he's just such such a wild account.
[29:55] Speaker 2: It reminds me of I think it was on your
[29:56] Speaker 2: channel several years ago of a I want to say,
[30:01] Speaker 2: he might have been in Virginia and he shot one
[30:06] Speaker 2: and I guess maybe the one he shot was a female,
[30:09] Speaker 2: and that the male just grabbed it and scaled a
[30:14] Speaker 2: wall that was like thirty feet high, like it was nothing.
[30:18] Speaker 2: I don't know if that was on I want to
[30:20] Speaker 2: say that was one of your stories a long time ago.
[30:26] Speaker 2: I can't remember now, but just what they can do
[30:31] Speaker 2: is just amazing.
[30:31] Speaker 1: It's it is some wild stuff. I mean, man, I've
[30:37] Speaker 1: gotten one person reached out to me about an area
[30:42] Speaker 1: in Iowa. They were in a state park and they
[30:45] Speaker 1: had seen something that looked like an extremely large orangutan
[30:50] Speaker 1: scaling the side of a rock wall. In some parts
[30:55] Speaker 1: of Iowa, we do actually have a substantial rock wall
[31:00] Speaker 1: and cliff faces in the state parks. You wouldn't think it,
[31:04] Speaker 1: but we do. And they saw it looked like an
[31:07] Speaker 1: extremely larger anguton just going across a rock wall, which
[31:12] Speaker 1: is weird. I mean, there's some weird, weird stuff out there.
[31:15] Speaker 1: But you've had these experiences, You've looked into stuff. Do
[31:19] Speaker 1: you have any idea of what Bigfoot is or or
[31:24] Speaker 1: any leanings certain ways that the years that you've looked
[31:30] Speaker 1: into this.
[31:33] Speaker 2: I just think that they've been here for a long time,
[31:41] Speaker 2: you know. I think they evolved over time. And I
[31:46] Speaker 2: don't know a lot about that particular subset, but I
[31:53] Speaker 2: think they I do believe they came across the strait,
[31:57] Speaker 2: you know, and that's how they got here. And you know,
[32:05] Speaker 2: i'll see I don't want to see one because I
[32:09] Speaker 2: probably have a heart attack. You know. If I was
[32:13] Speaker 2: younger and in shape and my mind was like a marine,
[32:16] Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah, let me see it, as long
[32:18] Speaker 2: as it's way down there, you know. But I mean,
[32:23] Speaker 2: if I saw one from a distance, a big distance,
[32:26] Speaker 2: that would be one thing. But just to come up
[32:29] Speaker 2: on one, it probably scam me to death. But I
[32:34] Speaker 2: think they're they just say they're part human or whatever.
[32:39] Speaker 2: I mean, they're pretty smart. They're not stupid. They plan
[32:44] Speaker 2: things they can hide from you. I don't know about
[32:47] Speaker 2: the paranormal stuff. I mean, I believe in UFOs, you know,
[32:53] Speaker 2: and there's things that in science that you know, you
[33:01] Speaker 2: look at that and say, well, there's no way that
[33:03] Speaker 2: could happen. But I don't know. I don't know if
[33:06] Speaker 2: they can go from I look at the story from
[33:08] Speaker 2: up in Erie, Pennsylvania, at the lake where the four
[33:11] Speaker 2: the couples were out there and they saw one just
[33:14] Speaker 2: kind of come down from a ship, you know or whatever. Yep.
[33:19] Speaker 2: And I mean, I think we know UFOs are real.
[33:22] Speaker 1: Or we're past that point for sure. You know. That
[33:26] Speaker 1: is like the government's telling us very much.
[33:29] Speaker 2: But I just I mean, I mean, just look at
[33:32] Speaker 2: their face as some of them, I mean, it looks human.
[33:35] Speaker 2: You know. I know in Russia, didn't they have one
[33:38] Speaker 2: captivity that actually mingled with the the people in the
[33:45] Speaker 2: along like the thirties or forties.
[33:47] Speaker 1: That's the story. Yeah, that's the story. If you look
[33:50] Speaker 1: into old the first rendition of Monster Quests, Doug Hijack
[33:57] Speaker 1: put out, there's a really interesting Uh, there's at least
[34:00] Speaker 1: one interesting episode about the what the the Russians were
[34:06] Speaker 1: doing trying to create some type of hybrid soldier. I
[34:13] Speaker 1: believe I might have that wrong, but I think I've
[34:15] Speaker 1: got it right. And you know, you guys can check
[34:17] Speaker 1: that out. It might be on YouTube. But it is
[34:20] Speaker 1: a wild it's a wild episode. And then there is
[34:24] Speaker 1: there's also the other story and man, what is Maybe
[34:28] Speaker 1: someone can put in the comments. I think it begins
[34:30] Speaker 1: with a Z A z or V the name of
[34:34] Speaker 1: the female individual.
[34:35] Speaker 2: Female?
[34:36] Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, interesting story, Yeah, and I believe, Yeah.
[34:42] Speaker 2: I had heard, and I don't, like I said, I
[34:45] Speaker 2: don't know that the dog men ever are connected to
[34:52] Speaker 2: the government somehow. And somebody would tell me one time
[34:56] Speaker 2: that if China ever attacked us, that they could assemble
[34:59] Speaker 2: those than like twenty minutes or something.
[35:01] Speaker 1: I don't know, I imagine, but it would be the
[35:05] Speaker 1: worst we've had.
[35:07] Speaker 2: We've had sightings of those up here, like not too
[35:09] Speaker 2: far from my house, the area I live in. It's
[35:13] Speaker 2: called Canton. And then we've got l A j Oh,
[35:16] Speaker 2: Yeah for LJ. And then Blue Rich you know where
[35:19] Speaker 2: the museum is. Yeah, and I guess they've seen them
[35:23] Speaker 2: in cemeteries and yeah, things like that. I mean, if
[35:28] Speaker 2: those are if those are real, I don't know what
[35:32] Speaker 2: to say. I probably won't go outside my house a little.
[35:36] Speaker 1: I mean, there was, dude, there was I was just
[35:41] Speaker 1: in Tennessee, in Middle Tennessee at a park with a
[35:47] Speaker 1: guy and we were like, it's a really active area, dude.
[35:54] Speaker 1: We were. We were in this cemetery and he's like,
[35:59] Speaker 1: you should do a big foot call. I was like,
[36:01] Speaker 1: all right, So when I do that, I do it
[36:03] Speaker 1: just a I just imitate Bobo's how Like I just
[36:07] Speaker 1: rip off Bobo pretty much is what I do. And
[36:11] Speaker 1: I know joke like we have it on I have
[36:14] Speaker 1: it on film, I just haven't put it out yet
[36:16] Speaker 1: where I do the call and then seconds later there
[36:22] Speaker 1: is one that responds. We do it, I do it again,
[36:26] Speaker 1: and then there's multiple responses of the same type of call.
[36:30] Speaker 1: And I was able to check with certain individuals. Was
[36:35] Speaker 1: there an expedition in this area that same time? There
[36:39] Speaker 1: was not? And I mean, dude, they were they were
[36:42] Speaker 1: shooting back where they were howling back within like half
[36:46] Speaker 1: a second a second much quicker then. Like if you're
[36:50] Speaker 1: a human and you're like, oh, I'm going to try
[36:52] Speaker 1: to like replicate that and do it back, it's going
[36:54] Speaker 1: to take you more than a few seconds to do it. Usually,
[36:56] Speaker 1: like you have to get prepared.
[36:59] Speaker 2: Uh.
[36:59] Speaker 1: It was so weird, weird stuff down there. I've never
[37:05] Speaker 1: run into dog man stuff. I hope that I never do.
[37:09] Speaker 1: That's the goal, never to do it. Yeah, but I
[37:12] Speaker 1: mean you'll keep putting yourself out there and you can
[37:15] Speaker 1: run into weird stuff. But you were also in a
[37:19] Speaker 1: in this book, correct Sharon Sharon Ebe's book.
[37:23] Speaker 2: Yes, she reads out to me. I guess she saw
[37:29] Speaker 2: my story or whatever, and I got to talking to her.
[37:32] Speaker 2: She's done several books. This particular book, it's a thick book.
[37:36] Speaker 2: It's got My story is probably not the best one
[37:39] Speaker 2: in there because the way it was written. There's some
[37:42] Speaker 2: things that were left out because you know, they don't
[37:44] Speaker 2: have a lot of room and stuff in somebody's book.
[37:46] Speaker 2: But there are a lot of good information in that
[37:50] Speaker 2: book right there. And I think she just did another one.
[37:54] Speaker 2: But yeah, I think she's up in Nova Scotia.
[37:57] Speaker 1: It's a massive book. She's she's I think I think
[38:00] Speaker 1: she's re publishing them kind of that book split apart
[38:04] Speaker 1: into other books. So it's yeah readable.
[38:07] Speaker 2: She just let me actually let me know that about
[38:09] Speaker 2: a week and a half ago when I told her
[38:11] Speaker 2: I was going to be on your show.
[38:13] Speaker 1: But if people want to read more about the the
[38:18] Speaker 1: story I share, that's the guy hiking in the woods
[38:23] Speaker 1: near Oakridge, Oregon, and there's the woods changed into jungle
[38:29] Speaker 1: and it's like he walks into a portal and then
[38:32] Speaker 1: this hairy arm with clawed fingers comes out of the
[38:36] Speaker 1: portal and almost grabs his neck and says, gotcha. Sharon
[38:41] Speaker 1: is the one that documented that story, and it's in
[38:44] Speaker 1: that book. So if you want to read more about it,
[38:48] Speaker 1: that that story was documented during a BFRO expedition somewhere
[38:53] Speaker 1: in the American Southwest a few years back. But I'll
[38:58] Speaker 1: go look at that. It's a good book.
[39:00] Speaker 2: Do you know Leanne Carnegie from up in Ontario. I
[39:05] Speaker 2: don't think so you should get her on your show.
[39:08] Speaker 2: She's done a lot of videos about stick structures and
[39:13] Speaker 2: things up in the Ontario area, which I believe is
[39:15] Speaker 2: a hotspot up there.
[39:21] Speaker 1: Yeah. When I started this, I had a few people
[39:23] Speaker 1: that said, dude, you're going to run out of people
[39:25] Speaker 1: to talk to about Bigfoot. And I was like, you
[39:27] Speaker 1: know what, I have a feeling that I'm not going
[39:30] Speaker 1: to and it'll probably outlast me. So do you think
[39:33] Speaker 1: that once you know.
[39:35] Speaker 2: Do you think that eastern eastern Tennessee, western North Carolina
[39:41] Speaker 2: is a very big hot spot?
[39:45] Speaker 1: Oh, I'd say one hundred, dude. I was actually I've
[39:49] Speaker 1: never been to North Carolina. I've been to eastern Tennessee
[39:54] Speaker 1: just recently as part of the same trip. And see
[39:59] Speaker 1: what we have over there. Oh yeah, we we were
[40:03] Speaker 1: in this We're in Harley Owens Research Area and me
[40:08] Speaker 1: and Robbie Ferrell were out there and we were in
[40:12] Speaker 1: the middle of these mountain laurels, dude, and we were
[40:15] Speaker 1: finding tracks that were I mean there were like fifteen
[40:19] Speaker 1: sixteen inches across a few feet between them, stick structures
[40:24] Speaker 1: like I've never seen like huge, huge pieces of logs
[40:28] Speaker 1: that were broken off and then placed way way up
[40:32] Speaker 1: in the Uh. Maybe I'll put some pictures in of
[40:36] Speaker 1: that that might be good. So it's incredible. And then
[40:39] Speaker 1: the crazy thing because a few months before Harley and
[40:44] Speaker 1: Robbie had been chased out of this area by bigfoot
[40:47] Speaker 1: and it was pretty intense. So he took me back
[40:50] Speaker 1: to the area. It was a spring where they usually
[40:54] Speaker 1: find tracks. We're checking it out and then all of
[40:56] Speaker 1: a sudden, I hear something up in the laurel, up
[40:58] Speaker 1: on the hill. And I wouldn't say like people will say,
[41:05] Speaker 1: you know, it came rushing towards me, like it was
[41:08] Speaker 1: a big mac truck, you know, they'll say that it
[41:11] Speaker 1: wasn't that, But it was something that was rather large,
[41:15] Speaker 1: and it was coming towards us, not to invite us
[41:19] Speaker 1: in for a cup of tea. It was more like
[41:21] Speaker 1: a like, hey, it's probably time to get out of here.
[41:25] Speaker 1: So I don't know if it was a bigfoot or
[41:27] Speaker 1: a bear. We didn't stick around either way. We're not
[41:30] Speaker 1: going to stick around to see if it's a bigfoot
[41:33] Speaker 1: or a bear and it's rushing towards us. But that
[41:36] Speaker 1: was I would say Eastern Tennessee has some weird stuff
[41:39] Speaker 1: going on. I mean, Harley's told me about mothman stuff
[41:41] Speaker 1: over there, and dog Nan and a whole weird That
[41:45] Speaker 1: area is weird as all get out.
[41:47] Speaker 2: Why do you think that researchers don't use gauge impressions
[41:52] Speaker 2: as much? Because the problem what I'm worried about right
[41:55] Speaker 2: now is with AI, every video you look at, how
[42:00] Speaker 2: do you even know? Before you you know, you could
[42:03] Speaker 2: probably get a good idea, But with AI, it's like
[42:07] Speaker 2: you couldn't believe any video you look at. So I
[42:10] Speaker 2: don't I just don't understand why they don't use the
[42:13] Speaker 2: gauge impressions. You know, I see these where they have
[42:17] Speaker 2: these big get togethers and stuff, but it seems like
[42:20] Speaker 2: they never even bring it up. But yet, to me,
[42:22] Speaker 2: if you want science, that's science.
[42:25] Speaker 1: So how would you how would let's say, how would
[42:29] Speaker 1: everyday bigfoot researcher start to to incorporate something like that
[42:35] Speaker 1: into the well?
[42:35] Speaker 2: I would say, And like I said, I don't know
[42:38] Speaker 2: what that equipment costs, so it's probably not something you
[42:41] Speaker 2: can just run out and get, you know, you know,
[42:44] Speaker 2: maybe they could collaborate together and share it. Who knows.
[42:48] Speaker 2: I don't know. I would say, like, for your example,
[42:52] Speaker 2: if you're out somewhere and you find huge footprints, you know,
[42:57] Speaker 2: sixteen eighteen feet depend on Like my brother had a
[43:02] Speaker 2: degree in agronomy, So it's a study of the soils,
[43:04] Speaker 2: you know. So it's like, I think we should start
[43:09] Speaker 2: if we can building up some kind of database with
[43:14] Speaker 2: these gauge impressions and different types of soils around the country,
[43:18] Speaker 2: different places, because you can determine like, okay, like the
[43:23] Speaker 2: one I saw, like I wish I could find that
[43:25] Speaker 2: it was so many years ago where they said, okay,
[43:27] Speaker 2: it would have to be five sport stride, which that's
[43:31] Speaker 2: not too hard to prove now because you can see
[43:33] Speaker 2: it in the footprints, but it would have to be
[43:36] Speaker 2: at least this amount of weight to make that a
[43:39] Speaker 2: kind of an impression in that type of soil. You know.
[43:44] Speaker 2: I think if they could do that and study that
[43:50] Speaker 2: and build up a database of that, that that would
[43:53] Speaker 2: be good information. You know, maybe in this area they're bigger,
[43:58] Speaker 2: maybe in this area they're not, Maybe they're you know
[44:00] Speaker 2: what I mean.
[44:00] Speaker 1: It's like that's a good idea. I think. I don't
[44:04] Speaker 1: know if this is similar to what you're saying, but
[44:06] Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are more starting to
[44:09] Speaker 1: use the newer, newer iPhones and androids. They you can
[44:14] Speaker 1: get these apps where you do a three D scan
[44:18] Speaker 1: and man, like scan a verse is a good one.
[44:22] Speaker 1: Once you get a three D scan of a footprint,
[44:25] Speaker 1: you can see a lot more data than if you're
[44:27] Speaker 1: just looking at it straight with your eyes. You get
[44:31] Speaker 1: that three D scan and man, you can see exactly
[44:33] Speaker 1: how far down the toes are going, and it is
[44:37] Speaker 1: just it's it's worth people check that out. I think
[44:40] Speaker 1: scan of Verse doesn't cost anything as of this time,
[44:43] Speaker 1: but it is it's worth. You can even scan environments,
[44:48] Speaker 1: like if you're in a certain environment, you get a
[44:50] Speaker 1: three D scan of a stick structure, you know, and
[44:53] Speaker 1: that's that's totally invaluable.
[44:55] Speaker 2: And quantum I think quantum AI actually you know, not
[45:00] Speaker 2: to alarm people, but and not to get political, but
[45:04] Speaker 2: quantum AYI. Whoever controls that controls everything. It's gonna help
[45:08] Speaker 2: so many people. Unfortunately we have to control it else
[45:11] Speaker 2: China will. But I think with that kind of stuff
[45:14] Speaker 2: coming up, that'll those will be a lot more tools
[45:17] Speaker 2: that people will be able to use. But I am worried.
[45:22] Speaker 2: Like I said, if we don't with AI and everything
[45:25] Speaker 2: showing current AI where somebody throws up a video and
[45:29] Speaker 2: just kind of make it look like something, you know,
[45:33] Speaker 2: it's gonna it's gonna hurt us as far as, uh,
[45:37] Speaker 2: not our industry, but as far as researchers. Because somebody
[45:40] Speaker 2: can just say, well that's AI, you have no way
[45:42] Speaker 2: to prove it. When they have AI, that's gonna be different.
[45:45] Speaker 2: Just like quantum AYI if somebody is cheating on something,
[45:48] Speaker 2: or if somebody's doing something wrong, it'll pick it right.
[45:50] Speaker 2: From what I understand, listen to Jovon bullets Er, who's
[45:53] Speaker 2: a genius, brilliant man. It'll pick out things like you
[45:58] Speaker 2: won't have corrupt potations anymore because they'll they'll pull it out,
[46:02] Speaker 2: they'll find it right away, you know, stuff like that.
[46:04] Speaker 2: But I just I think the the gauge impressions. I
[46:09] Speaker 2: wish that, you know, they could look into that more
[46:12] Speaker 2: because I think that's going to be a key we're
[46:14] Speaker 2: going to need going forward, only because people can just say, oh,
[46:18] Speaker 2: that's not real. That's not like like we know that
[46:22] Speaker 2: the Gimlin film is real because they didn't have the
[46:25] Speaker 2: technology back then. Right, there's and and also I think
[46:29] Speaker 2: they did gauge impressions for that. But and also you
[46:34] Speaker 2: can't find a human in a monkey suit who can
[46:39] Speaker 2: make a gauge impression that's something eight hundred to twelve
[46:42] Speaker 2: bounds could make. With Dermo ridges, I strive to be
[46:47] Speaker 2: seventy nine feet tall. I mean, to me, it's just
[46:49] Speaker 2: common sense. But like I said, I don't know what
[46:51] Speaker 2: that that costs. I don't know how expensive they are.
[46:54] Speaker 2: I don't know what goes into that. Maybe because they'll
[46:58] Speaker 2: fun and get one we can pass around. I don't know.
[47:00] Speaker 1: It's a discussion. I mean, it's a discussion that could
[47:03] Speaker 1: go on for another fifty sixty years. I think, who
[47:07] Speaker 1: knows h But man, it's uh Bigfoot's Bigot's a weird topic.
[47:12] Speaker 1: It's a fun topic because as as technology progresses, then
[47:17] Speaker 1: it's just another way for us to look at the
[47:21] Speaker 1: big Foot topic and to see, Okay, maybe we can
[47:24] Speaker 1: figure it out. Now, Oh we're not. We're not close
[47:26] Speaker 1: enough yet. Maybe we can do this. But like, man,
[47:29] Speaker 1: we're talking about AI. Like if I get a video
[47:32] Speaker 1: or a photo, if it doesn't have some sort of metadata,
[47:37] Speaker 1: I can't believe it anymore. You know what I mean, Like,
[47:40] Speaker 1: it's just it's it's too bad too, because it's like
[47:42] Speaker 1: we knew it was coming. We knew it was at
[47:45] Speaker 1: the point is going to be at the point where
[47:46] Speaker 1: you get these videos that look so good, you gotta
[47:52] Speaker 1: have that metadata, you know, or something like that to
[47:55] Speaker 1: prove that it is it's real, because just anyone would
[48:00] Speaker 1: that knows even a little bit about AI can can
[48:02] Speaker 1: make even they can even make video now that looks
[48:05] Speaker 1: like it was filmed with a handycam back in the
[48:09] Speaker 1: nineties and it's got like the the dates and it
[48:13] Speaker 1: got like a Bigfoot and it looks like the Freeman footage.
[48:15] Speaker 1: It's just it's crazy. It is crazy what people are
[48:19] Speaker 1: coming out with. So you know it is you almost
[48:22] Speaker 1: have to have the video on the actual physical media
[48:26] Speaker 1: improved like here it is on the VHS tape or
[48:29] Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, ridiculous, but yeah, but Bud,
[48:36] Speaker 1: what what a fun conversation. A few things that have
[48:39] Speaker 1: never really been talked about on the show before. I
[48:41] Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on the show. I want to make
[48:44] Speaker 1: sure that you were able to share the different accounts
[48:48] Speaker 1: and stories that you'd come on to share about from
[48:53] Speaker 1: the different places you've lived in over the years. Thank you,
[48:56] Speaker 1: Thank you so much, absolutely absolutely well, well, you know,
[49:00] Speaker 1: keep us and keep us in mind. If you ever
[49:02] Speaker 1: hear anything else going on down there in North Georgia,
[49:05] Speaker 1: I would love to hear about it. You can always
[49:07] Speaker 1: send me an email and yeah, maybe we get an
[49:10] Speaker 1: update from you in the future. But thank you so
[49:12] Speaker 1: much for coming on the show today, Bud.
[49:15] Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. And like I said, I'd appreciate
[49:19] Speaker 2: everything you're doing and all your work. I listen to
[49:23] Speaker 2: your podcasts frequently. You have a lot of them, but
[49:28] Speaker 2: everyone is different and every story is different, and you
[49:32] Speaker 2: know constantly, you know, learning new things that I would
[49:37] Speaker 2: have never even thought of. So we appreciate you and
[49:39] Speaker 2: everything you're doing.
[49:41] Speaker 1: Thank you, Bud, Thank you, Bud. You have a great
[49:43] Speaker 1: rest of your day, sir.
[49:44] Speaker 2: All right, thank you, sir.
[49:47] Speaker 1: Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity
[49:50] Speaker 1: around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, Man, I
[49:53] Speaker 1: would love to get out in those woods and experience
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[51:31] Speaker 1: I want to say something directly to a very specific
[51:34] Speaker 1: group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch
[51:38] Speaker 1: or forces, and if you've seen something that no one
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[52:29] Speaker 1: that shook your faith, or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA,
[52:34] Speaker 1: or anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,
[52:39] Speaker 1: then I want to talk to you. Even if it's anonymous.
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[52:48] Speaker 1: The world needs to hear what you've been forced to
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[53:04] Speaker 1: we share reminds us that the world is bigger and
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[54:06] Speaker 1: Keep your eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop
[54:09] Speaker 1: asking what else might be out there? And see you
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