# Terrified in British Columbia | Fraser River Valley

An episode of [Bigfoot Society](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1453429066), 6 Jan 2026, 1 h 36 min.

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Rob is a physical therapist based out of the Fraser River Valley of British Columbia, Canada. In this episode of Bigfoot Society, we journey with Rob through experiences he has had, what happens when one goes down the rabbit holes. Rob has been become an encounter collector in this region and the account he shares in this episode are unlike any others you've heard before. Contact Rob here: robharr@icloud.com 🗣️ Share Your Story Had a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience? Send it to bigfootsociety@gmail.com – your story might be featured on the show! 🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube 🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube 💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts! 📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed) 👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share 🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist 🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters 💥 Support the Show & Get Perks ✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member ✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here 📱 Let’s Connect • Instagram: @bigfootsociety • Twitter: @bigfoot_society • TikTok: @bigfoot.society 🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links) These help support the show at no extra cost to you: • Beam (Better Sleep): Try Beam • Wildgrain (Better Bread): Join Here • Seed (Probiotics): Get Seed • Medi-Share (Healthcare): Learn More • LMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNT • Organic and non-GMO groceries delivered for less http://thrv.me/uarEhS 🎙️ Podcasting Tools: • Repurpose.io: Try It • Descript: Sign Up • Streamyard: Start Recording • Riverside.fm: Try Riverside 🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon ☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here 🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy 📬 Mailing Address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: You're listening to BIGFA Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
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[1:19] Speaker 2: You've got the.
[1:19] Speaker 1: Privilege of talking to Rob today. Rob is a physical
[1:23] Speaker 1: therapist from around the Harrison Hot Springs area and man,
[1:28] Speaker 1: we've been trying to set up a chat for a
[1:30] Speaker 1: while now and I'm excited to have Rob on. He
[1:32] Speaker 1: is the first interview of twenty twenty six for being recorded.
[1:37] Speaker 1: So there you go. But you know, Rob, welcome to
[1:40] Speaker 1: the show. How are you doing today, sir?
[1:45] Speaker 2: Very good? Yeah, Happy New Year to you and all
[1:48] Speaker 2: your listeners. I didn't realize on the first one, so
[1:51] Speaker 2: I guess I guess the pressure is on.
[1:52] Speaker 1: Really no pressure at all. Also, do we want to
[1:59] Speaker 1: point out that you are you said you're immigrant from
[2:04] Speaker 1: England to Canada to this area.
[2:07] Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, that's right. People can probably tell by my accent.
[2:15] Speaker 2: I am now a Canadian citizen. I'm a dual citizen,
[2:18] Speaker 2: but I meet here with my family in twenty sixteen,
[2:21] Speaker 2: in July twenty sixteen to an area in southern BC
[2:28] Speaker 2: right near the Washington border. Well, actually it's Chilliwak It
[2:34] Speaker 2: it's in the Fraser Fraser Valley and very close to
[2:40] Speaker 2: the Chililat Lake Valley. So I've got mountains and forests
[2:45] Speaker 2: and rivers right on the doorstep.
[2:48] Speaker 1: You land in Chiliac area in the Fraser Valley. How
[2:54] Speaker 1: quickly did you realize I'm in the middle of something
[2:57] Speaker 1: interesting going on here with all this bigfoots stuff. When
[3:00] Speaker 1: did that start kicking in for you?
[3:04] Speaker 2: Well? I could look back now in hindsight and realize
[3:07] Speaker 2: it happened really in October, but I didn't quite realize
[3:13] Speaker 2: what was going on at the time, if that makes sense.
[3:16] Speaker 2: So I guess that sort of leads me into what happened.
[3:22] Speaker 2: I've always grown up in a rural area in the UK,
[3:24] Speaker 2: and I've always loved the countryside and wildlife, and we've
[3:27] Speaker 2: got it all here, you know, beautiful heights. And at
[3:33] Speaker 2: the time our youngest was sick and we went. It
[3:38] Speaker 2: was a Sunday in early October, so it just started raining.
[3:43] Speaker 2: We found out, you know how true it is about
[3:46] Speaker 2: the Pacific Northwest being a rainforest. But we went out
[3:51] Speaker 2: for a hike, really just looking to go out two
[3:55] Speaker 2: three hours just for a short hike, and we went
[3:57] Speaker 2: up the Chilliwack Lake road and picked a trail. It
[4:04] Speaker 2: was another lake, and we were under the assumption that
[4:07] Speaker 2: it was just going to be maybe, you know, an
[4:09] Speaker 2: hour or two hike. I'm now a far more experienced hiker.
[4:14] Speaker 2: I pretty much go out every weekend hiking, and this
[4:17] Speaker 2: hike to get to this lake is probably eight to
[4:22] Speaker 2: ten hours or more one way, So we grossly misjudged it.
[4:28] Speaker 2: But anyway, we went off, and yeah, you know, at
[4:32] Speaker 2: the time, we had no bear spray, no knives, you know,
[4:35] Speaker 2: I carry those things now as well as a backpack,
[4:38] Speaker 2: you know, with a survival kit in and first aid kit.
[4:42] Speaker 2: And off we went.
[4:43] Speaker 3: And the trail is quite.
[4:46] Speaker 2: You know, quite well marked and clear, and it's a
[4:52] Speaker 2: typical trail here. You're going through thick forest, lots of
[4:56] Speaker 2: cedar and Douglas firs and hemlock trees, and and we
[5:01] Speaker 2: were going up and we've been going about maybe forty
[5:04] Speaker 2: five minutes. And the one thing I must stress is
[5:07] Speaker 2: there's like a makeshift parking lot, and we were the
[5:11] Speaker 2: only car there the whole time, and even when we left,
[5:15] Speaker 2: there was no other vehicles and there was nobody up
[5:18] Speaker 2: there at all. We didn't see any sign of anybody
[5:22] Speaker 2: camping or anything like this. But anyway, we went up
[5:28] Speaker 2: and part of the way up there was a very
[5:31] Speaker 2: large tree that had uprooted, you know, it had crashed down,
[5:36] Speaker 2: big tree, you know, something like it, probably like a
[5:39] Speaker 2: Douglas fir, and all the roots were exposed and they
[5:43] Speaker 2: had bits of like soil and earth on them. And
[5:48] Speaker 2: the nice thing about this trail is at the start
[5:50] Speaker 2: of the trailhead people have left like makeshift their branches,
[5:54] Speaker 2: but they sort of modeled them into sort of walking sticks,
[5:58] Speaker 2: walking canes. So we all picked one of those just
[6:02] Speaker 2: for fun. And when we were near this tree, the
[6:07] Speaker 2: youngest than me just started chiseling away at the earth
[6:10] Speaker 2: around the roots. You know, I was you know, we
[6:12] Speaker 2: were saying how amazing it is to see the you know,
[6:15] Speaker 2: the roots of the tree. And then my youngest started
[6:22] Speaker 2: whacking the roots, you know, these are big roots, with
[6:25] Speaker 2: his sick and you know, he did that for a bit.
[6:30] Speaker 2: It was all good fun, and then we carried further
[6:33] Speaker 2: on up and then I'd say, you know, it was
[6:36] Speaker 2: a while later that you know, it dawned upon us
[6:40] Speaker 2: that this lake was probably quite a lot further than
[6:43] Speaker 2: what we realized. So my wife, she was doing some
[6:48] Speaker 2: care work at the time while she was waiting for
[6:50] Speaker 2: her nursing qualifications to be accepted, and she had to
[6:55] Speaker 2: do a late shift, and she said, look, I want
[6:56] Speaker 2: to get back and relax a bit before you know,
[6:59] Speaker 2: my work. So we turned around and we went back
[7:03] Speaker 2: down and we came back to the very same tree route,
[7:09] Speaker 2: and my wife was ahead, my my youngest was in
[7:13] Speaker 2: the middle, and I was at the back. And he
[7:18] Speaker 2: started digging and then really whacking the tree route again,
[7:22] Speaker 2: and then I joined in with him, you know, smacking
[7:25] Speaker 2: the tree root with our with our sticks. Now realizing
[7:31] Speaker 2: you know, your your tree knocking. But at the time,
[7:35] Speaker 2: you know, we were just fitting a room and my
[7:38] Speaker 2: wife had stopped at the same time. And you know,
[7:42] Speaker 2: this was on like a like a decline, like a
[7:44] Speaker 2: gradient the way the trail was going, and we stopped
[7:47] Speaker 2: for a bit and my wife was saying, listen, you know,
[7:52] Speaker 2: I want to get back. And as we were just
[7:56] Speaker 2: talking that there was obviously big trees near us, like
[8:01] Speaker 2: there is in the forest, and this rock just just
[8:08] Speaker 2: came out, flying out the bush. You know, it wasn't
[8:10] Speaker 2: a rock that tumbled, It didn't fall from high. It
[8:13] Speaker 2: flew out from the bush and the way I can
[8:17] Speaker 2: describe it, the trajectory, it was like in a straight line,
[8:20] Speaker 2: so it wasn't a loose bit of rock. And it
[8:23] Speaker 2: flew right out, hit this tree a few meters in
[8:29] Speaker 2: front of us, and hit the ground. So you know,
[8:31] Speaker 2: I caught it out of my periphery. You heard it,
[8:35] Speaker 2: you know, hit the tree, and then you heard it
[8:37] Speaker 2: like flat on the ground. And my wife must have
[8:41] Speaker 2: seen it as well, and she spun right around to
[8:44] Speaker 2: me and said, was that a rock? Wore a stone?
[8:50] Speaker 2: And I was not knowing what was going on, and
[8:55] Speaker 2: I said yeah. And then I'm a bit of a
[8:58] Speaker 2: practical joker, you know, back in England, if we were
[9:01] Speaker 2: walking in the woods or something, you know, i'd throw
[9:03] Speaker 2: a stone in the bushes to you know, make a
[9:06] Speaker 2: sown and make out it was an animal or something,
[9:08] Speaker 2: just to try and scare people. So my wife thought
[9:11] Speaker 2: it was me and she said did you do that?
[9:13] Speaker 2: And I was going no, And she said, be honest
[9:18] Speaker 2: with me, did you do that? And I said no?
[9:20] Speaker 2: And she said, well who did that? And I said
[9:22] Speaker 2: I don't know. And we were going back and forth
[9:25] Speaker 2: like this and maybe a minute, and then a second
[9:29] Speaker 2: one came out from the same area and hit the
[9:33] Speaker 2: tree again, the same tree. Couldn't believe it hit the
[9:36] Speaker 2: same tree. And I won't say the language that we use,
[9:43] Speaker 2: but you know, my wife was like, we're going, you know,
[9:45] Speaker 2: we've got to go, and I kind of went for
[9:49] Speaker 2: a brief second or two said hang on, hang on,
[9:53] Speaker 2: And I was looking up into the forest and I
[9:58] Speaker 2: couldn't see anything. But then you could hear something kind
[10:04] Speaker 2: of breaking branches. But by the sound of it, these
[10:07] Speaker 2: weren't small like twigs or branches. This was heavy breaking.
[10:13] Speaker 2: And then there was just this sense of we've got
[10:18] Speaker 2: to go right now. You know, this complete I wouldn't
[10:22] Speaker 2: call it dread, but just this. We've got to get
[10:24] Speaker 2: out of there. So we were, you know, we were
[10:29] Speaker 2: almost running back down this trail. I mean I was
[10:32] Speaker 2: at the back, my wife was in the front, and
[10:34] Speaker 2: the youngest was in the middle. And I was virtually
[10:36] Speaker 2: pushing my youngest and I said to him, I don't care,
[10:39] Speaker 2: You've got to keep I don't care how tired you want,
[10:41] Speaker 2: You've got to keep moving. And as soon as we
[10:45] Speaker 2: started to move, I could still hear, you know, the
[10:48] Speaker 2: odd things breaking, and then the other thing I could
[10:51] Speaker 2: hear The only way I can decide it is sometimes
[10:55] Speaker 2: when I've been hiking on trails, if you're hiking with
[10:58] Speaker 2: somebody or hiking yourself, if you jump down onto a trail,
[11:02] Speaker 2: it almost sounds like the ground is hollow. It's a
[11:05] Speaker 2: weird sound, and I could hear like thuds, and by
[11:12] Speaker 2: the sense of it, it was something big. Anyway, we
[11:17] Speaker 2: were walking down for the first minute or two, I
[11:20] Speaker 2: kept looking behind and I was just convinced we were
[11:23] Speaker 2: going to get jumped. You know. I was convinced, and
[11:27] Speaker 2: I don't know by what or who, but I was
[11:29] Speaker 2: just convinced, you know, we ain't going to make it
[11:32] Speaker 2: to the car. And none of us were talking. I
[11:36] Speaker 2: was just occasionally going to my youngest. I was pushing
[11:38] Speaker 2: him in the back when he was slowing down, and
[11:40] Speaker 2: I said, just keep going. I said, you've just got
[11:41] Speaker 2: to do this. And then in time, I don't know,
[11:45] Speaker 2: twenty minutes or so, we started to see the car.
[11:49] Speaker 2: There was a bit of relief. We got down to
[11:52] Speaker 2: the parking lot, got in the car, didn't quite burn
[11:58] Speaker 2: rubber getting out of there, but got out of there quick,
[12:01] Speaker 2: straight on the lake road, and we were going home.
[12:04] Speaker 2: And I would say it was probably several minutes before
[12:06] Speaker 2: one of us talked, and you know, my wife was like,
[12:11] Speaker 2: what happened back there? And I don't know. And we
[12:16] Speaker 2: got home and you know, it was it was a
[12:21] Speaker 2: weird situation and it was a scary situation. And you know,
[12:27] Speaker 2: as we were driving back, my wife said, I don't
[12:29] Speaker 2: ever want to go up there again, and to this
[12:31] Speaker 2: day she hasn't. And this is this is over nine
[12:34] Speaker 2: years ago now, So that was the initial scene. I
[12:39] Speaker 2: mean up till then, Jeremiah. You know, we're about twenty
[12:43] Speaker 2: minutes from Harrison Hot Springs and if you google Harrison
[12:48] Speaker 2: Hot Springs, that's where John Green lived and I had
[12:52] Speaker 2: a newspaper. There's a Sasquatch museum. So we've been out
[12:56] Speaker 2: to visit that and it's all touristy, you know, there's
[12:59] Speaker 2: sasquatch models everywhere and statues and would figures. And I'll
[13:05] Speaker 2: be honest with you, I just thought it's a bit
[13:07] Speaker 2: of a tourist thing, you know. I didn't put it
[13:10] Speaker 2: down to any more than that. You know, I just thought,
[13:14] Speaker 2: you know, i'd heard about it. I mean, I don't
[13:16] Speaker 2: care who you are. Most people have heard a big foot,
[13:18] Speaker 2: but to varying levels. I've heard of it back in
[13:21] Speaker 2: the UK, I think just for fun. Once years ago
[13:24] Speaker 2: in the UK, i'd seen one of the episodes of
[13:26] Speaker 2: Finding Bigfoot, but I didn't think any more of it.
[13:30] Speaker 2: I just thought it was a myth and you know,
[13:34] Speaker 2: a tourist attraction, so I knew about it from that,
[13:39] Speaker 2: but I didn't link, you know, the subject with what
[13:44] Speaker 2: happened that day in the forest. But the weird thing was,
[13:50] Speaker 2: I didn't feel it was a person either. I didn't
[13:53] Speaker 2: get the sense it was a person, because, to be
[13:57] Speaker 2: honest with you, if I thought it was a person,
[14:00] Speaker 2: somebody throwing two rocks, they weren't stones. They were probably
[14:05] Speaker 2: up and I'm trying to think maybe like a softball
[14:08] Speaker 2: sized rock throwing that at me and my family, particularly
[14:13] Speaker 2: when I've got a kid. I would have gone up
[14:15] Speaker 2: in the forest looking for them to sort them out, basically,
[14:20] Speaker 2: But I just didn't get that sense that it was
[14:22] Speaker 2: a person. But I couldn't figure out what had happened
[14:27] Speaker 2: or what it was. So that's, you know, I can
[14:31] Speaker 2: look back now and think that's when it sort of happened,
[14:36] Speaker 2: but at the time I didn't put two and two together,
[14:41] Speaker 2: So that like I say, that was around October twenty sixteen.
[14:44] Speaker 2: So you know when you asked, like, when did you
[14:46] Speaker 2: first become aware? I guess unofficially that's when things started.
[14:54] Speaker 1: I can't imagine living through that. I mean, because you're well,
[14:59] Speaker 1: you said, you're my thousand miles out there and no
[15:02] Speaker 1: one was out there.
[15:06] Speaker 2: Well, we we the car, the parking lot is right
[15:10] Speaker 2: on the road, but we were about forty five minutes
[15:15] Speaker 2: up the trail up the mountain in the forest and
[15:17] Speaker 2: then and there was nobody there. And I can tell
[15:21] Speaker 2: you now this area now there's no homeless living up there.
[15:25] Speaker 2: Nobody lives up there. It's too far out for somebody
[15:30] Speaker 2: to do that. There are homeless in that river valley,
[15:34] Speaker 2: but they're they're further down, way further down the road,
[15:37] Speaker 2: closer to the town. But up where we are or
[15:42] Speaker 2: where we were. Sorry that there were no people. And
[15:47] Speaker 2: I also think if it was a person, right, and
[15:51] Speaker 2: they were doing it to scare us to get us
[15:53] Speaker 2: out the area, why weren't they doing it when we
[15:56] Speaker 2: were going up? This happened on the way down. Would
[16:00] Speaker 2: have thought if you were somebody up there and you
[16:03] Speaker 2: didn't want folks being near you, you would stop them
[16:08] Speaker 2: from coming up, not watch them, wait for them to
[16:13] Speaker 2: go down, and then you know, try and scare them.
[16:16] Speaker 1: If that makes sense, No, it absolutely does. Thinking back
[16:22] Speaker 1: to how you saw the rock, the rocks fly out
[16:26] Speaker 1: of out of the bushes. As a physical therapist, could
[16:32] Speaker 1: you tell anything about what was throwing the rocks by
[16:36] Speaker 1: the way it was thrown.
[16:41] Speaker 2: Well, it was a straight trajectory. It was horizontal, you know,
[16:45] Speaker 2: it came straight out and it was thrown with forces.
[16:48] Speaker 2: It would be like you or I picking up a
[16:52] Speaker 2: stone and throwing a stone. I mean, you know, you've
[17:00] Speaker 2: got to remember we've been in the country for a
[17:02] Speaker 2: couple of months. I was getting to grips with you know,
[17:07] Speaker 2: the wildlife, for fauna and stuff. And you know, I
[17:10] Speaker 2: got on that day and I was thinking, right, you know,
[17:14] Speaker 2: a bear, you know, a bear can't pick a rock
[17:16] Speaker 2: up like that, and for a rock and you know,
[17:19] Speaker 2: as a as a physical therapist, there's got to be
[17:21] Speaker 2: something with with thumbs and fingers and opposing some to
[17:25] Speaker 2: grasp a rock and throw it. And you know, if
[17:33] Speaker 2: either being in Asia or South America, you'd probably think
[17:37] Speaker 2: it was a monkey or something, you know, a primate.
[17:41] Speaker 2: But but we weren't, and I didn't think that logic
[17:45] Speaker 2: would tell you it was a person. But I still
[17:49] Speaker 2: can't get my head around this. I never once felt
[17:53] Speaker 2: it was a person, and I don't know why. And
[17:56] Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, it troubled me. It really
[17:59] Speaker 2: troubled me for for a bit because there was no
[18:03] Speaker 2: people up there. I'm convinced of that. I'm convinced of that.
[18:07] Speaker 2: It was a weird feeling, but your rational brain is
[18:11] Speaker 2: saying to you, oh, only a person confer a rock.
[18:17] Speaker 2: But the flip side was I strongly felt that it
[18:21] Speaker 2: wasn't a person. And I said to my wife, you know,
[18:25] Speaker 2: do you think anybody was up there? And she said, well,
[18:27] Speaker 2: we didn't see or hear anyone. You know, we didn't
[18:30] Speaker 2: see any sign or anything like that. It's, you know,
[18:39] Speaker 2: all these years down the line, I'm still baffled by it.
[18:42] Speaker 2: I mean, there's a bit of me now that wishes
[18:46] Speaker 2: the wishes I could have. Well, I say, held my
[18:50] Speaker 2: ground and waited to see what happened. I had my
[18:53] Speaker 2: boy with me, you know, he faced is my pority,
[18:56] Speaker 2: as is my wife. If I was alone hiker now,
[18:59] Speaker 2: I mean, depending on how I felt, I would have
[19:01] Speaker 2: tried to pluck up the courage to just try and
[19:03] Speaker 2: hang in there a little bit longer and see what
[19:07] Speaker 2: it was. But you know, I must have been later
[19:10] Speaker 2: on that evening, I became a bit angry about it,
[19:13] Speaker 2: and you know, kind of it's not necessarily saying, right,
[19:20] Speaker 2: I'm going to state back, but I just wish because
[19:25] Speaker 2: I heard something moving, you know that that I heard.
[19:28] Speaker 2: You know, I could hear these like thuds, and I
[19:30] Speaker 2: could hear heavy breaking your branches. You know, you could
[19:33] Speaker 2: tell they were loud snaps. And my wife heard that
[19:37] Speaker 2: as well. I mean, it really affects I say, it
[19:42] Speaker 2: really affected her. She will not go to that area
[19:45] Speaker 2: at all. She just she just doesn't do it. And
[19:49] Speaker 2: you know, the one thing I will say in my family,
[19:51] Speaker 2: I'm the only one that believes in this subject. The
[19:54] Speaker 2: rest of my family thinks, you know, just think it's
[19:57] Speaker 2: all miss So they tease me a bit. But I
[20:02] Speaker 2: always say to my wife, well what do you think
[20:05] Speaker 2: it was that day? And all she ever said was,
[20:07] Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what it was, but
[20:09] Speaker 2: I just don't want to go back. So it was
[20:14] Speaker 2: it was a strange situation. And I let you know,
[20:20] Speaker 2: after a few days, you forget about it, and you know,
[20:23] Speaker 2: off you go again and again. I can look back
[20:28] Speaker 2: now and think I can reflect on things that happened
[20:32] Speaker 2: shortly after and think, oh, there was something going on,
[20:34] Speaker 2: and what happened. My wife had a care work. She
[20:38] Speaker 2: was doing work for a client. He just needed some
[20:41] Speaker 2: short term care, and it just so happened this client
[20:44] Speaker 2: and her husband that they're retired, but they're very keen
[20:47] Speaker 2: hikers and pretty hardcore hikers, and my wife's got to
[20:52] Speaker 2: know them. And we bought the house in the early
[20:57] Speaker 2: part of twenty seventeen, and my wife and I liked
[21:00] Speaker 2: them around one evening just to come and meet me
[21:04] Speaker 2: and my boys and see the house. And it turned
[21:09] Speaker 2: out the husband's retired from the forestry service, so he
[21:15] Speaker 2: had a job where he would go out and survey
[21:20] Speaker 2: forest for potential logging, and he would have to do
[21:24] Speaker 2: like these I guess, these surveys on it on whether
[21:28] Speaker 2: it was sustainable, harmful to the forest and stuff. And
[21:33] Speaker 2: he'd had a career out of it. And I remember, Jeremiah,
[21:38] Speaker 2: we were sat down in our lounge and my wife
[21:42] Speaker 2: and this guy's wife they went upstairs. My wife was
[21:47] Speaker 2: showing her the house and I was tatting to this
[21:50] Speaker 2: guy and we've got friends with him now. They really
[21:53] Speaker 2: introduced us to a lot of hiking and we're very
[21:55] Speaker 2: grateful to impour it. And anyway, he said, you know,
[21:59] Speaker 2: I was remember he was sitting there and he said, oh,
[22:02] Speaker 2: you know, have you been hiking? And I said, oh,
[22:03] Speaker 2: I've done a little bit, but you know, I'm kind
[22:06] Speaker 2: of new to it. And he was like, I'll take
[22:08] Speaker 2: you out. Come with me. I'll show you some great hikes.
[22:10] Speaker 2: And we got talking and I, you know, naturally started
[22:15] Speaker 2: asking him about wildlife and bears and stuff like that.
[22:19] Speaker 2: And he's chatting away. And this area we get a
[22:23] Speaker 2: lot of black bears. We don't really get grizzlies. You know,
[22:27] Speaker 2: I've heard they pass through, but you're very unlikely to
[22:31] Speaker 2: see one. But you know, black bears I've seen multiple times.
[22:35] Speaker 2: But I don't know why. I said to him, didn't
[22:38] Speaker 2: ask you a question? And he was like sure, I said,
[22:41] Speaker 2: if you're out in the forest here, I said, what,
[22:44] Speaker 2: what could throw a rock at you? And I love
[22:49] Speaker 2: back now and he told his whole expression change and
[22:53] Speaker 2: he just looked withally confused. He went, what do you mean?
[22:56] Speaker 2: So I told him what had happened. What I've just
[22:58] Speaker 2: told you, And I remember he looked upstairs, and then
[23:03] Speaker 2: he looked at me and he leant forward and he
[23:06] Speaker 2: kind of went where was this? And I was telling him,
[23:09] Speaker 2: and then he was like, we're abouts on that trail
[23:12] Speaker 2: and I said, well, I don't know he'd be precise thing,
[23:14] Speaker 2: but I was telling him and he was kind of
[23:17] Speaker 2: like and he was really thinking about it. At the time,
[23:23] Speaker 2: I was just looking at him, thinking, oh, he's giving
[23:25] Speaker 2: this a good thought. I still maintained to this day
[23:29] Speaker 2: he knows stuff and he just doesn't really tell me.
[23:32] Speaker 2: He doesn't really tell me. But anyway, then he sat
[23:35] Speaker 2: back and he went, oh, it was a crazy hermit.
[23:38] Speaker 2: And I said, oh, I disagree, and he went, no, no,
[23:42] Speaker 2: you get these weird forest hermits out there. You know,
[23:45] Speaker 2: I will say to this day I've never really met one.
[23:47] Speaker 2: But anyway, this is what he said. And we left
[23:51] Speaker 2: it at that, and he said, hey, we'll go out
[23:55] Speaker 2: for a hike in a couple of weeks. We'll show
[23:58] Speaker 2: you a different area. And it gets happened. A couple
[24:02] Speaker 2: of weeks later, his son, who's a pretty hardcore outdoorsman, hiker, skier, etc.
[24:08] Speaker 2: He came to visit and we all met up on
[24:11] Speaker 2: a different location up this river valley, and my wife
[24:16] Speaker 2: and my youngest went and my wife and his wife
[24:19] Speaker 2: walked ahead with my youngest, and I held back with
[24:22] Speaker 2: the husband and their son, who was about I don't know, thirty,
[24:28] Speaker 2: And the husband waited for the ladies and my lad
[24:32] Speaker 2: to go further ahead. And then he I remember this, Jeremiah.
[24:36] Speaker 2: He tapped me on the arm and he went up.
[24:38] Speaker 2: He said, there, tell him about the rock throwing. And
[24:43] Speaker 2: I was like, well, and he meant, you know, this
[24:45] Speaker 2: is probably February, Jeremiah, you know, and very mind it
[24:47] Speaker 2: happened in October, he said. And he said, she son,
[24:51] Speaker 2: listen to this, and he said, you're tell him what happened.
[24:54] Speaker 2: So I told him it and his son looked, you
[24:57] Speaker 2: know again, looked all serious and and oh right, and
[25:02] Speaker 2: he's looking at his dad and he's Dan's looking at him.
[25:05] Speaker 2: And then the son goes, where is this? And I go, oh,
[25:08] Speaker 2: just further down here, and you know, I'm I'm going
[25:11] Speaker 2: because there's a road really and I called it the
[25:13] Speaker 2: Canadian side and the US side, and I said, oh,
[25:16] Speaker 2: the US side of the road, and the Sun went
[25:19] Speaker 2: really and he went like, what did you see? And
[25:21] Speaker 2: I didn't see anything, but I heard, you know, stuff
[25:24] Speaker 2: moving about and breaking, and he went oh. And they
[25:28] Speaker 2: both had this look. And I actually said to them
[25:30] Speaker 2: at the time, what is it? I went, just tell
[25:34] Speaker 2: me straight, what is it? And they're like, no, no, no, no, no,
[25:38] Speaker 2: it's nothing, it's nothing. And I said, there's something up.
[25:42] Speaker 2: I said, you're both looking a bit weird. You know,
[25:45] Speaker 2: you'll you'll keep this thing, you both know, and no, no, no, no, no, no,
[25:48] Speaker 2: it's good. And then they were like, come on here,
[25:51] Speaker 2: come on and let's catch them up, you know, before
[25:53] Speaker 2: we lose them. And they and they sort of left
[25:56] Speaker 2: it at that. And if I look at it now,
[25:59] Speaker 2: I think I think they knew something that they just
[26:04] Speaker 2: maybe didn't want to tell me. Whether that's because I
[26:09] Speaker 2: don't know, I would have blown it off or laughed
[26:11] Speaker 2: at them, I don't know, or or for whatever reason,
[26:15] Speaker 2: but I think they were aware of potentially what it
[26:19] Speaker 2: could have been at that time. And if I look
[26:26] Speaker 2: at it now, that was, like I guess, like a
[26:29] Speaker 2: subtle introduction. And then about yeah, it was that time
[26:34] Speaker 2: I just started working in private clinics as a physical therapist.
[26:38] Speaker 2: And you know, one of the great things about the
[26:41] Speaker 2: job of the work I do is I meet people
[26:43] Speaker 2: from all walks of life, and you know, you get
[26:47] Speaker 2: a nice report going with people and you ask them
[26:49] Speaker 2: about their work and their pastimes and stuff. And lots
[26:53] Speaker 2: of people in this area do hiking, and lots of
[26:55] Speaker 2: people do hunting. So I started asking a few hunters
[27:00] Speaker 2: and most of them were just like, well, I don't
[27:03] Speaker 2: know what that was. You know, that was a bit weird.
[27:06] Speaker 2: And then two or three of them said, oh, there's
[27:08] Speaker 2: lots of crazy people out in the area. I think
[27:12] Speaker 2: some people even told me, well, I remember them telling me, oh,
[27:17] Speaker 2: you know there's illegal grows, and you must have stumbled
[27:19] Speaker 2: across an a legal grow, and I was like, well,
[27:23] Speaker 2: it's not very well hidden. If it was, I said,
[27:25] Speaker 2: it's on a you know, it's on a hiking trail.
[27:31] Speaker 2: So I felt, you know, I guess I kind of
[27:34] Speaker 2: got over it, so to speak. Jeremiah and I was
[27:37] Speaker 2: getting more regular with my hiking and I had a
[27:40] Speaker 2: bit of kick going, you know, their spray nice I
[27:43] Speaker 2: started to you know, properly equip myself. And then it
[27:46] Speaker 2: was it was later on that year, so that's twenty seventeen,
[27:52] Speaker 2: I treated a policewoman, a member of the RCMP, and
[27:59] Speaker 2: it just happened. They were Indigenous, and you know, after
[28:03] Speaker 2: three or four visits with somebody, you know, you get
[28:05] Speaker 2: comfortable with them and you chat. And I was telling,
[28:09] Speaker 2: you know, she was asking me, you know, if you've
[28:10] Speaker 2: been out hiking and stuff, and I'm chatting away, and
[28:14] Speaker 2: I just got talking about things and she said, like,
[28:17] Speaker 2: have you seen anything cool? Like wildlife? And I was
[28:21] Speaker 2: talking and then I don't know why, but I brought
[28:24] Speaker 2: this thing up about the rocks or not the rock,
[28:28] Speaker 2: the rocks, and she said, what have you been told then?
[28:32] Speaker 2: And I said, oh, I said, well, most people tell
[28:34] Speaker 2: me it's like a hermit or a crazy person. And
[28:37] Speaker 2: then she said do you think that? And I said, oh,
[28:39] Speaker 2: I said it's weird. I said, I just didn't get
[28:41] Speaker 2: the feeling it was. I said, but I just don't
[28:44] Speaker 2: know what it was. And then and then I remember,
[28:47] Speaker 2: you know, she said, you understand I'm indigenous, you know,
[28:52] Speaker 2: I'm you know, do you understand our culture and our background?
[28:56] Speaker 2: And I said, oh, we're only very basic. And she said,
[29:01] Speaker 2: shall I tell you what I truly believe it is?
[29:03] Speaker 2: And I said, well, yeah, sure, I'd appreciate it, and
[29:05] Speaker 2: she said, I believe it's a sasquash. And initially I
[29:09] Speaker 2: kind of chuckled a bit, and then you know, I
[29:14] Speaker 2: suddenly realized I was chatting to a policewoman and she
[29:17] Speaker 2: gave me quite a stern look and she said, why
[29:20] Speaker 2: are you laughing? And I said, oh, I'm sorry. I said,
[29:23] Speaker 2: is that just you know, is that not a tourist thing?
[29:26] Speaker 2: And she said no. And she then explained the significance
[29:32] Speaker 2: of it in her culture. And she was telling me
[29:37] Speaker 2: that in her I guess tradition that they considered them
[29:44] Speaker 2: an ancient kind of tribe of humans. And I was like,
[29:49] Speaker 2: are they not like a missing link at like a
[29:50] Speaker 2: primate and she said, no, no, they're not. She said,
[29:54] Speaker 2: they're you know, they're like a unique people. And she said,
[29:59] Speaker 2: you know, a very long time ago, we actually had
[30:03] Speaker 2: links with them. And you know, I was like, this
[30:08] Speaker 2: was a bombshell for media. Am. I I was like,
[30:10] Speaker 2: oh my god, this is you know, where's this come from?
[30:13] Speaker 2: And her thoughts were she said, I think it was
[30:18] Speaker 2: throwing the rock set you could get you out, because
[30:23] Speaker 2: she felt this thing had seen something of danger maybe
[30:28] Speaker 2: like a bear or a googar, and it was ushering
[30:31] Speaker 2: you out of the area, which I thought was quite
[30:34] Speaker 2: an interesting way of looking at it. And then after that,
[30:38] Speaker 2: you know, I got on that day and I kind
[30:40] Speaker 2: of said it to my wife. You just said like, oh,
[30:43] Speaker 2: here we go, you know, just laughed and went, Now,
[30:46] Speaker 2: that's sort of nonsense. But I'm sure you know yourself
[30:51] Speaker 2: and from people you've spoken to. I went down a
[30:54] Speaker 2: massive rabbit hole that day. I got on Google and
[30:58] Speaker 2: then that was it. I was just all in, you know,
[31:00] Speaker 2: I was on all, you know, looking at everything online.
[31:05] Speaker 2: I started to listen to podcasts, I bought books, and
[31:10] Speaker 2: then for weeks afterwards, every time I went out, every
[31:13] Speaker 2: little snap or sound in the forest was a Sasqus.
[31:16] Speaker 2: You know, I can honestly say now. I became obsessed
[31:19] Speaker 2: with it. And it was a while later that I
[31:26] Speaker 2: was still treating her. She came back for a different
[31:28] Speaker 2: injury and I was looking to buy a car. I
[31:32] Speaker 2: was looking to buy a four wheel grind and she said, well,
[31:35] Speaker 2: if you do see one you like, get in touch
[31:38] Speaker 2: with my husband. I'll give you his cell phone. He's
[31:41] Speaker 2: also asked the MP he knows a lot he's a hunter,
[31:45] Speaker 2: he's indigenous as well. He'll come out and make sure
[31:47] Speaker 2: you get the right vehicle. I said, oh, that's great.
[31:52] Speaker 2: So I ended up buying a really old four runner
[31:54] Speaker 2: Toyota four Runner. I still have it. The husband, Harrison,
[31:59] Speaker 2: came out with me and when I bought it, he said,
[32:05] Speaker 2: come and pick me up. And he said, I'll show
[32:07] Speaker 2: you some kind of forest service roads, logging roads you
[32:11] Speaker 2: could drive up the River valley. And we went out
[32:14] Speaker 2: for several hours in an afternoon, you know, driving about,
[32:17] Speaker 2: getting out, looking around, and inevitably we got on this subject.
[32:22] Speaker 2: And you know, he was listening to me and he
[32:27] Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, you know, and he said, he said, yeah,
[32:30] Speaker 2: I agree with my wife. He said, I think you
[32:32] Speaker 2: came across one. And then he's got a phone out
[32:36] Speaker 2: of Jeremiah. He's got his cell phone and you have
[32:38] Speaker 2: a look at this, and it was a video of
[32:41] Speaker 2: him that his wife took from her car and they
[32:44] Speaker 2: were out in that River valley scouting for the potential game,
[32:50] Speaker 2: you know, their hunters. And on this video you can
[32:56] Speaker 2: hear this crazy vocalization and you can see the husband
[33:01] Speaker 2: looking up into the forest and you can hear his
[33:05] Speaker 2: wife he's recording him on the phone, going you know,
[33:07] Speaker 2: what the heck is that? And he's like, I don't know,
[33:11] Speaker 2: and it goes on for about thirty seconds. Looking back
[33:16] Speaker 2: bizarre it sounded almost bits like hyaenas and I'm familiar
[33:23] Speaker 2: with coyotes and I said to him, is that coyotes?
[33:25] Speaker 2: And he went no, no, no, he said they weren't.
[33:27] Speaker 2: That wasn't a coyote. He said, trust me, He said,
[33:30] Speaker 2: I know my animals. And I said, what what was that?
[33:34] Speaker 2: And he said, it's one of these, you know, one
[33:36] Speaker 2: of these beings. And then he said to me, he
[33:41] Speaker 2: said before his wife recorded it, he said, there was
[33:46] Speaker 2: other vocalizations and what were they like? And I remember it.
[33:49] Speaker 2: He always said to me it sounded like a pissed
[33:52] Speaker 2: off gorilla. And I you know, I said to him,
[33:55] Speaker 2: I said, so these things really are you know, really
[33:58] Speaker 2: are real? And he went, oh yeah, but he said
[34:00] Speaker 2: you better believe it. And he told me, I don't know.
[34:04] Speaker 2: It wasn't in this area. But he told me a
[34:07] Speaker 2: couple of things. He told me once when he was young,
[34:09] Speaker 2: he went hunting, or he was camping in the winter
[34:12] Speaker 2: off kind of hunting with his family. He was a
[34:14] Speaker 2: young kid, and when they got out in the morning,
[34:17] Speaker 2: he said there was massive footprints as well as small footprints,
[34:21] Speaker 2: much smaller footprints. But he said they looked like human footprints.
[34:26] Speaker 2: And I said, well, what was that and he said, oh,
[34:28] Speaker 2: it was clearly an adult with a young And he said,
[34:32] Speaker 2: I remember my dad and my uncle saying to me,
[34:35] Speaker 2: whatever you do, don't follow these footprints. So he was
[34:39] Speaker 2: telling me this, and then he also told me a
[34:42] Speaker 2: few years earlier, not before that, when he was a kid,
[34:48] Speaker 2: but a few years ago he was telling me. He was,
[34:52] Speaker 2: what do they call it when they do like spotting
[34:54] Speaker 2: for hunting, you know, with a scope and he was
[34:56] Speaker 2: looking up a mountainside with snow and he said, he's
[35:00] Speaker 2: or an upright being just booking it up this mountain.
[35:05] Speaker 2: And he said, Rod, there was no way a human
[35:07] Speaker 2: could do what this thing was doing. And he said
[35:10] Speaker 2: it was too big. And he said he watched it
[35:12] Speaker 2: through a scope on another mountain side, you know, for
[35:15] Speaker 2: about five minutes. So I was, you know, like I say,
[35:20] Speaker 2: that's when I started to think. And then you know,
[35:22] Speaker 2: you look into it and then you come across like
[35:25] Speaker 2: Harrison Hot Springs, Sasquatched Provincial Park, and you know, you think,
[35:30] Speaker 2: you know, I'm in an.
[35:31] Speaker 3: Area where there's quite a rich history of this. So
[35:38] Speaker 3: that was when, you know, I started to get an
[35:43] Speaker 3: interest in this and kind of relate back to the
[35:46] Speaker 3: rock and think that there could be a potential that
[35:50] Speaker 3: this thing was doing it. So I guess it was
[35:53] Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. Might going right back to that question of
[35:57] Speaker 3: yours where the penny dropped for me, so to speak.
[36:02] Speaker 1: My goodness, what a place to start, going down a
[36:07] Speaker 1: rabbit hole into Sasquatch, I mean, is.
[36:10] Speaker 2: The perfect And I went, I went head first down.
[36:15] Speaker 2: I I'll be honest with you, I went. It was
[36:17] Speaker 2: a bit unhealthy, you know, I just you know. And
[36:23] Speaker 2: then I was also really naive and thought, I'm going
[36:27] Speaker 2: to see one of these things in no time at all.
[36:30] Speaker 2: And I would go off exploring for one of the
[36:34] Speaker 2: better word, I would go off the beaten path. I
[36:36] Speaker 2: would go off on older bandoned logging roads just to
[36:39] Speaker 2: see where things were. Just I know, it sounds mad,
[36:43] Speaker 2: and I realize now it was a bit silly, just
[36:47] Speaker 2: in the hope of finding a track or or hearing
[36:51] Speaker 2: something or potentially seeing something, you know, But I was
[36:57] Speaker 2: I'm one of these people. If I get interested in something,
[36:59] Speaker 2: you know, I'll just read anything on it. And that's
[37:02] Speaker 2: exactly what I did. And I went through this phase where,
[37:12] Speaker 2: like I say, I was all in on it, and
[37:14] Speaker 2: then I've gone through a couple of phases where I
[37:18] Speaker 2: kind of go off topic or go off the subject
[37:22] Speaker 2: because I kind of think, no, no, it's nonsense. And
[37:26] Speaker 2: we were out in Harrison Hot Springs. This is maybe
[37:30] Speaker 2: a year or so later. We were out in Harrison
[37:32] Speaker 2: Hotsprings and we went to this museum, this Sasquats Museum,
[37:35] Speaker 2: and you know, it's not the biggest museum, but it
[37:38] Speaker 2: was interesting. And you know, they've got like reports in
[37:42] Speaker 2: there and cast of footprints and to be honest, you know,
[37:45] Speaker 2: to actually see a cast of a footprint. They've got
[37:48] Speaker 2: some I believe they might be original replica cast from
[37:53] Speaker 2: the Patterson Gimling site. But you know, you look at
[37:56] Speaker 2: these cast and you think, bloody hell, you know this
[37:58] Speaker 2: is massive. You know, you really get an appreciation how
[38:02] Speaker 2: big these tracks are. Anyway, I was in chatting to
[38:07] Speaker 2: the curator, so to speak, and I said, oh, I said,
[38:11] Speaker 2: you know, we were hiking, and my wife just rolled
[38:15] Speaker 2: her eyes and she had walked off, and I I'm
[38:20] Speaker 2: going to tell her, And I told her I'd tell
[38:22] Speaker 2: him this lady what happened. And then she was like, oh,
[38:24] Speaker 2: you know, you need to speak to this guy and
[38:26] Speaker 2: it just happens. I'm probably not going to tell you
[38:31] Speaker 2: who it was, but if I did, you know that
[38:32] Speaker 2: it was straight away. This guy has written books on
[38:36] Speaker 2: the subject, and I'd actually bought some of some of
[38:39] Speaker 2: these books, and he'd helped set up the museum and
[38:42] Speaker 2: provide the cast and different stuff and photos and things.
[38:47] Speaker 2: And he was from around you know, he actually knew
[38:51] Speaker 2: like John Green, Reneida Hindon, Peter Burn and Grover Krantz
[38:56] Speaker 2: all that lot. Anyway, she said he lives fairly locally.
[39:01] Speaker 2: She said you need to get in touch with him
[39:03] Speaker 2: and tell him what happened because he records and files
[39:07] Speaker 2: all these reports. So I was like, oh great, you know,
[39:11] Speaker 2: so I got his details and like we're doing now.
[39:18] Speaker 2: He called me and I started telling him what had happened,
[39:24] Speaker 2: and he, for one of a better word, he just
[39:29] Speaker 2: rubbished it. He went, oh no, he said, it's all
[39:32] Speaker 2: it's all bs. You know, they don't throw rocks. Nobody's
[39:36] Speaker 2: ever seen one throwing a rock. I was like, really,
[39:39] Speaker 2: I said, I've read books on it and I've read reports.
[39:42] Speaker 2: He went, no, no, no, he went, they don't throw rocks.
[39:44] Speaker 2: He went, there's been no sighting of one throwing the rock.
[39:47] Speaker 2: He went, there's no evidence for it. So I was like, oh, okay,
[39:52] Speaker 2: and he said, yeah, yeah, you just you came across
[39:56] Speaker 2: a hermit and again I said, no, I don't think
[39:59] Speaker 2: I did. He said, no, you did. I said no.
[40:01] Speaker 2: I said, he had to be there at the time
[40:03] Speaker 2: to realize it wasn't a person. I said, if you'd
[40:06] Speaker 2: have been with us, you know it wasn't a person.
[40:10] Speaker 2: So we were starting to get I guess a little
[40:13] Speaker 2: bit heated over it, right, And anyway, I just thought, well,
[40:17] Speaker 2: here's here's a so called expert. So I started firing
[40:21] Speaker 2: off questions. I said, you know, what about wood knocking,
[40:25] Speaker 2: and he was like, yeah, people say they do, but
[40:29] Speaker 2: again there's no there's there's not one report of one
[40:33] Speaker 2: being thing making a wood knock or clacking rocks together.
[40:38] Speaker 2: Then I started asking other questions about other things, and
[40:41] Speaker 2: he just seemed to dismiss everything. I'm listening to him,
[40:45] Speaker 2: and to be honest, Sarah and I I was just
[40:48] Speaker 2: like this guy's been writing books on this. You know,
[40:51] Speaker 2: you can find this guy on YouTube. This guy goes
[40:54] Speaker 2: on these YouTube documentaries. You know, he's featured on some podcasts.
[40:59] Speaker 2: He famous for this. And I thought, it's just dismissing
[41:04] Speaker 2: so many things. So I said to him, do you
[41:09] Speaker 2: actually believe in it? And she kind of went, well, yeah, yeah,
[41:15] Speaker 2: and I went, so you do and he went yeah.
[41:17] Speaker 2: I went what do you think it is? And he
[41:19] Speaker 2: went oh, he said, I think it's an discovered North
[41:23] Speaker 2: American primate And I said, well, what about some of
[41:27] Speaker 2: the indigenous things about it being, you know, an ancient
[41:33] Speaker 2: human tribe. No, no, no, no, he said that. No,
[41:36] Speaker 2: it's not that at all. He went, it's an undisturbed primate.
[41:39] Speaker 2: And then I said, and this is still my view now,
[41:42] Speaker 2: and it's only my view. I appreciate that. I said
[41:45] Speaker 2: to him, do you not think we would have called
[41:48] Speaker 2: it by now? And he went no, no, it's highly intelligent.
[41:51] Speaker 2: And I said, so you're telling me there's an ape
[41:53] Speaker 2: out there more intelligent than a human. And he was like, well,
[41:57] Speaker 2: this is highly intelligent and I said, well, it can't
[42:00] Speaker 2: be that in my mind, because we would have got
[42:03] Speaker 2: one stuff in a museum or certainly catalogs by now.
[42:08] Speaker 2: But anyway, we we you know, we we finished the
[42:11] Speaker 2: phone call and I just was very negative about everything.
[42:16] Speaker 2: I just was like, you know what, this is all
[42:18] Speaker 2: complete nonsense. It's full of people who are out making
[42:22] Speaker 2: themselves to be experts and have got no true interest,
[42:25] Speaker 2: and I just taking your money. And I went off
[42:29] Speaker 2: the subject. You know, could be honest and put the
[42:32] Speaker 2: books away, stop watching anything from YouTube, stop listening to
[42:37] Speaker 2: some podcasts. I was just like, I've just been completely
[42:40] Speaker 2: had still baffled by what happened with the Rocks, but
[42:46] Speaker 2: just thought it's all you know, it's all here say
[42:52] Speaker 2: and kind of left it to that. And I guess
[42:54] Speaker 2: I went really cold on the subject. And that period
[43:01] Speaker 2: was of leading up into two thousand and you know,
[43:06] Speaker 2: there was that big world event in two thousand where
[43:09] Speaker 2: things got locked down, shut down. My clinic was closed
[43:14] Speaker 2: for two months, you know, only select businesses were open.
[43:19] Speaker 2: So I just started doing a kind of hiking every day.
[43:22] Speaker 2: I was very lucky, you know, I was going out
[43:25] Speaker 2: several times a week. My wife was still working as
[43:27] Speaker 2: a nurse, the boys were home from school, you know,
[43:30] Speaker 2: the schools were closed. So I said to my wife,
[43:33] Speaker 2: I'm going to go hiking. She said sure, and it
[43:35] Speaker 2: was great because you didn't see anyone, you had no contact.
[43:41] Speaker 2: And it was during this time that I found what
[43:46] Speaker 2: I thought might be a large track. This was the
[43:50] Speaker 2: photo that I sent you a couple of days ago.
[43:54] Speaker 2: I don't know if you got to saw it to
[43:56] Speaker 2: see it at all. Yeah, yeah, so I yeah again. Look,
[44:04] Speaker 2: it's just my opinion. I thought it looked like a
[44:06] Speaker 2: large human footprint. I took a photo of it. I
[44:12] Speaker 2: put my foot next to it. I tried to make
[44:15] Speaker 2: an impression in the ground. Didn't leave a mark at all.
[44:20] Speaker 2: You know, I weigh about two hundred and thirty pounds
[44:24] Speaker 2: at six foot, you know, I'm a pretty lean two thirty.
[44:28] Speaker 2: I go to the gym a lot and always have,
[44:30] Speaker 2: and I was pushing my foot in and couldn't leave
[44:32] Speaker 2: an indentation. I got home, I sad it to my
[44:35] Speaker 2: wife and I said, what do you think? She said,
[44:37] Speaker 2: that looks like a massive footprint, and then she laughed,
[44:43] Speaker 2: and then she went, oh, there you go. You know
[44:45] Speaker 2: you've got your big foot at last. And I don't know.
[44:49] Speaker 2: I kept it. I sent it to a couple of people.
[44:55] Speaker 2: One of them was like, yeah, yeah, that really looks
[44:58] Speaker 2: like one. One of them was like, no, no, I don't
[45:00] Speaker 2: think it is. So you know, I had the mixed
[45:05] Speaker 2: views on that, but just kept the photo anyway, you know,
[45:09] Speaker 2: just because I thought it was quite interesting. During this
[45:13] Speaker 2: period as well, id some I guess you'd call it
[45:18] Speaker 2: whooping from a value. One day when I was out hiking,
[45:22] Speaker 2: you know, whoops. As far as I know, there's not
[45:27] Speaker 2: anything recognized around here wildlifewise that will whoop like this
[45:33] Speaker 2: thing did. So for about a minute I heard this loud,
[45:36] Speaker 2: distant whooping in the mountain range. And then you know,
[45:43] Speaker 2: that kind of piqued my interest again. I guess I
[45:47] Speaker 2: started to, you know, think, hang on a second, you know. So,
[45:53] Speaker 2: but I was still, I guess, fifty to fifty sitting
[45:57] Speaker 2: on the fence. What wasn't necessarily one way or the other.
[46:03] Speaker 2: But you know, again, I was out almost every day
[46:06] Speaker 2: doing a hike for several hours a day. And then
[46:13] Speaker 2: during during that period, I was right up on an old,
[46:20] Speaker 2: very old trail going up a forest, up through a mountain,
[46:26] Speaker 2: and I don't know, I think i'll send you the
[46:28] Speaker 2: video of it. I videoed and took photos of to me,
[46:33] Speaker 2: but like quite a distinct tree formation, and I think
[46:40] Speaker 2: I showed you. I think I sent you the video again.
[46:43] Speaker 2: I don't know if you've been able to see it,
[46:44] Speaker 2: but I you know, i'd read about stuff and I thought, oh,
[46:51] Speaker 2: I wonder if it's anything to do. I then sent
[46:56] Speaker 2: it to quite a recognized in the field of this subject.
[47:02] Speaker 2: They got They kindly got back to me very promptly
[47:05] Speaker 2: and just said, oh, no, that's one hundred percent snowfall.
[47:08] Speaker 2: I've seen these all the time. That's snowfall. And you
[47:12] Speaker 2: know they've been looking into this subject way longer than
[47:17] Speaker 2: I have. So I was like, okay, that's why I
[47:24] Speaker 2: appreciate it, and just thought, yeah, I'm just I'm being
[47:28] Speaker 2: a bit irrational now I'm putting everything down to one
[47:32] Speaker 2: of these creatures. So you know, again, I wouldn't say
[47:37] Speaker 2: it quite went off the subject, but just calmed down
[47:40] Speaker 2: a little bit. So up until that point I was
[47:43] Speaker 2: I was, I guess gepping in and out of the subject,
[47:47] Speaker 2: just just based on my experience and feedback. But in
[47:53] Speaker 2: this area where this this same rough area, where this
[47:59] Speaker 2: tree structure and the footprint, I might add, well, what
[48:02] Speaker 2: I thought was a footprint I might add, was found
[48:06] Speaker 2: during this time. Train one of the local outdoor groups
[48:11] Speaker 2: here was asking for volunteers to go and help the
[48:14] Speaker 2: trail maintenance, where you just go up and you know,
[48:18] Speaker 2: cut down branches and tidy up the trail. And I
[48:21] Speaker 2: went along with it. And I went with this group
[48:23] Speaker 2: of people, probably about ten of us, and you know,
[48:27] Speaker 2: I was given a pair of loppers, and there was
[48:31] Speaker 2: this plan for the day and they and they put
[48:33] Speaker 2: us all at different stages along this trail, and the
[48:39] Speaker 2: whole time you were there, you just didn't see anybody.
[48:42] Speaker 2: You know, they agreed to meet at certain times. I
[48:46] Speaker 2: was bending overlooking and in the forest I heard this.
[48:52] Speaker 2: I can't limit it at all, this weird whistling. So
[48:56] Speaker 2: I heard it. I sort of still that, looked around,
[49:02] Speaker 2: looked into the forest where it came from, didn't hear anything.
[49:07] Speaker 2: Turned around again, bent over, started cutting stuff again. It
[49:12] Speaker 2: was all the game. And I did the same thing.
[49:15] Speaker 2: I got up, I looked around again, and nothing again.
[49:18] Speaker 2: And this happened three or four times. And the last
[49:25] Speaker 2: time it happened, I turned around and looked into the
[49:27] Speaker 2: forest for quite a while, probably for two or three minutes,
[49:30] Speaker 2: because I thought, you know, I knew somebody playing games
[49:33] Speaker 2: with me, And it was about half an hour later
[49:36] Speaker 2: everybody met up and I saw the person who was
[49:41] Speaker 2: way up the trail ahead of me coming back down
[49:44] Speaker 2: round like a switched back, and I said, how far
[49:49] Speaker 2: up were you? And then she said, oh, I was
[49:51] Speaker 2: way up there. And I said was there anyone between
[49:54] Speaker 2: you and me? And she said no? And I said
[49:59] Speaker 2: to will you we at me? And she went no, no, no, no,
[50:02] Speaker 2: she said I've been up there. I said were you?
[50:04] Speaker 2: I said, were you like playing tricks from me? And
[50:07] Speaker 2: she said no, no, I wasn't. So I didn't say
[50:12] Speaker 2: any more than that. But it wasn't a bird whistle,
[50:17] Speaker 2: you know. It wasn't anything like that. And it was
[50:18] Speaker 2: every time I turned the back, something or somebody was
[50:22] Speaker 2: whistling at me. So again I can't I'm not even
[50:27] Speaker 2: going to try and attempt to whistle like it was.
[50:30] Speaker 2: But it didn't sound like a bird to me. And this,
[50:37] Speaker 2: you know again, I just spoke to this lady about it,
[50:39] Speaker 2: and she said, well are you asking? And I said, oh,
[50:41] Speaker 2: somebody was whistling at me and she just went, oh, okay,
[50:44] Speaker 2: that's weird. And I didn't think any more of it,
[50:49] Speaker 2: so I sort of, you know, left it at that. Again,
[50:53] Speaker 2: I kept hiking, you know, I kept hiking the whole time,
[50:56] Speaker 2: but I kind of went out with the mindset of
[51:00] Speaker 2: go out and enjoy the high forget about this thing,
[51:03] Speaker 2: just you know, appreciate the grey outdoors and listen to
[51:07] Speaker 2: the sounds of nature. So I, I'll be honest with you, Jeremiah,
[51:10] Speaker 2: I went a little bit unhealthy with it at times.
[51:13] Speaker 2: I just I just got to became a little bit
[51:14] Speaker 2: too obsessed with it, which wasn't a good thing. And
[51:18] Speaker 2: you know, depending on who I spoke to, I'll glow
[51:20] Speaker 2: hot and cold, you know, sort of regarding it. But
[51:25] Speaker 2: then what I started to do is a physical therapist,
[51:30] Speaker 2: I started to you know, when I'm chatting to a patient,
[51:34] Speaker 2: I asked them what they do, you know, in the
[51:36] Speaker 2: spare time. And if they were like, oh, I'm a
[51:40] Speaker 2: high court hunter, I'll go, oh, right, you know where
[51:43] Speaker 2: you go. And then I I try and get a
[51:46] Speaker 2: grasp on how receptive they are. And I always go like,
[51:51] Speaker 2: have you see you know a lot of wildlife? And
[51:54] Speaker 2: if they say no, I leave it at that. But
[51:56] Speaker 2: if they say, oh, yeah, I've seen stuff, and then
[51:58] Speaker 2: I'll say like, you know, you see any other stuff,
[52:00] Speaker 2: and I'll say I'll even say, like, yeah, anything weird happened.
[52:05] Speaker 2: And that's when I've started to get really accounts from
[52:11] Speaker 2: people that told me stuff. And usually when they told me,
[52:17] Speaker 2: I've then told him about the original incident back in
[52:21] Speaker 2: twenty sixteen with the rocks, and then we get talking
[52:24] Speaker 2: about the subject. But I remember one of them was
[52:28] Speaker 2: a guy and he said he was driving over one
[52:31] Speaker 2: of the bridges up this river valley and he's Adam,
[52:36] Speaker 2: and he saw one of these things in the river
[52:40] Speaker 2: really bathing and washing, you know, sort of stooped over wedding. It's,
[52:48] Speaker 2: you know, I say, rubbing itself, almost like if you're
[52:51] Speaker 2: in a shower and you're scratching your back, washing your back.
[52:54] Speaker 2: And he said to me, one hundred percent it's one
[52:59] Speaker 2: of these things. He said it wasn't a person. And
[53:03] Speaker 2: I said to him to believe in him, and he said, well,
[53:05] Speaker 2: I'm ninety nine percent convinced I've seen one, so he said,
[53:08] Speaker 2: I do. So he was an interesting one. And I
[53:13] Speaker 2: had a patient who is Indigenous. He lives on one
[53:20] Speaker 2: of the reserves up near one of the lakes here,
[53:25] Speaker 2: and he recalls as a kid, one of these things
[53:31] Speaker 2: on a regular basis, looking in through the bedroom window
[53:34] Speaker 2: at him and his siblings when he was younger. And
[53:39] Speaker 2: again he also said, as an adult, he's seen one
[53:44] Speaker 2: in the river in the summer. And he, you know,
[53:49] Speaker 2: when I asked him, he's similar to the the you know,
[53:54] Speaker 2: the policewoman going back years before. He said, you know,
[53:59] Speaker 2: we believe they're like an ancient side, but he thinks
[54:03] Speaker 2: that they have special abilities, you know, they they're almost
[54:08] Speaker 2: sort of supernatural beings. So he went down quite a
[54:16] Speaker 2: spiritual route on it, I guess, and I'm you know,
[54:19] Speaker 2: I'm you know. I wasn't disagreed with him. A tool,
[54:22] Speaker 2: you know, I said, yeah, you know, I get it,
[54:25] Speaker 2: but the best one I had, And this one I
[54:29] Speaker 2: didn't even ask about the subject or try any prompts.
[54:33] Speaker 2: This this guy, he moved here from Northern Ireland. And
[54:40] Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever heard of somebody from
[54:42] Speaker 2: Northern Ireland. It's not like the Irish accent that you
[54:45] Speaker 2: would think of. It's a very separate accent to a
[54:50] Speaker 2: Republic of Irish accent. It's a very thick, kind of
[54:54] Speaker 2: like almost gruff accent, and he was telling me he
[54:59] Speaker 2: was about set two years old. He was incredibly fit,
[55:02] Speaker 2: and he said, I've always hunted and I said, oh,
[55:06] Speaker 2: like deer and he said no, bear and I said bear.
[55:08] Speaker 2: He said, yeah, I love I love bear. He said,
[55:11] Speaker 2: you know there meet their sausages, what have you? And
[55:16] Speaker 2: he said, you know, Rob, he said, I'm not one
[55:19] Speaker 2: of these hunters that sit in a deer stand. He said,
[55:22] Speaker 2: you know, I go on foot and I'm tracking these things.
[55:27] Speaker 2: But anyway, you know, I started asking him about wildlife
[55:30] Speaker 2: and things, and he's telling him about the hunting, and
[55:32] Speaker 2: I was treating him and I was doing a technique
[55:35] Speaker 2: and then right out the blue, he just looked at
[55:37] Speaker 2: me with a big smile on his face and he went,
[55:39] Speaker 2: I've seen a sasquatch, you know. And momentarily I thought
[55:43] Speaker 2: he's he been talking to does he know my wife
[55:46] Speaker 2: or something? So I almost looked at him and went
[55:49] Speaker 2: all right, and then I went and he went yeah,
[55:54] Speaker 2: and he went you probably don't believe me, and I said, well,
[55:57] Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I said, tell me what happened
[56:00] Speaker 2: and he said he moved to Canada when he was
[56:04] Speaker 2: eighteen or nineteen years old, and he bought a motorbike,
[56:09] Speaker 2: and he had he'd had a motorbike in Northern Ireland,
[56:13] Speaker 2: and you know the roads there are tarmac roads. They're
[56:16] Speaker 2: not like logging roads, you know forest service roads that
[56:19] Speaker 2: you have here. So he said, I got this motorbike
[56:22] Speaker 2: and he said, rob, I rode it everywhere I went
[56:24] Speaker 2: up the mountains, he said. I was always in the
[56:27] Speaker 2: mechanic shop having repaired. He said, I just went over
[56:30] Speaker 2: the roughest roads. But this is the story that always
[56:35] Speaker 2: stands out. He said it was in the summer. He
[56:38] Speaker 2: was coming up, I guess up a forest service road,
[56:41] Speaker 2: a logging road, and he said, I saw a staff
[56:45] Speaker 2: watched sunbathing. And I was like, what do you mean sunbathing?
[56:50] Speaker 2: And he said sunbathing. So he described this thing sitting
[56:56] Speaker 2: on a rocky ledge on its side. If you can
[57:00] Speaker 2: visualize this one he propped up, resting on one elbow
[57:06] Speaker 2: and I was like, oh yeah, I could see what
[57:09] Speaker 2: you say, sundaying. And I said what happened and he said, well,
[57:12] Speaker 2: I was driving up and he said I just saw
[57:16] Speaker 2: this giant naked hairy man and I went what And
[57:21] Speaker 2: he went, I saw this giant naked hairy man and
[57:25] Speaker 2: he said. He said, I waved down, and he said
[57:31] Speaker 2: I carried on riding and I waved at him and
[57:33] Speaker 2: I said, so you thought it was a giant naked
[57:35] Speaker 2: hairy man and he went, yeah, that's what it looked like.
[57:38] Speaker 2: And I went, he did you not think it was
[57:41] Speaker 2: a bit weird? And he went, I don't know, Rob.
[57:43] Speaker 2: He said, I just arrived it. He rode after waving
[57:47] Speaker 2: at it, and then he said, then this thing got
[57:49] Speaker 2: up and he said I hit the brakes immediately because
[57:52] Speaker 2: he said it was enormous, like he just got it
[57:55] Speaker 2: as a giant. And he said it got up and
[58:00] Speaker 2: he said, Rob, i'll tell you now, knowing what I
[58:02] Speaker 2: know about hunting, you went, it got up the side
[58:05] Speaker 2: of this mountain so quick and so swiftly. There's no
[58:11] Speaker 2: way a person could have done it. And he said
[58:14] Speaker 2: it went up the mountain and it was gone. And
[58:15] Speaker 2: I said what do you do? And he said, I
[58:17] Speaker 2: turned around and went back because he said it scared me.
[58:20] Speaker 2: And I said, so, was it like a primate and
[58:26] Speaker 2: he went no, no, he said it's not a primate.
[58:28] Speaker 2: He said it's a giant naked hairy man. And that's
[58:32] Speaker 2: all he kept describing it. As, and I said, so
[58:35] Speaker 2: you sent there giants. He said, yeah, it's like a
[58:36] Speaker 2: giant man rob and he said it definitely was a man.
[58:39] Speaker 2: He said, you know, because I remember he made a
[58:41] Speaker 2: joke he said this. He said, this man would be
[58:43] Speaker 2: popular with the lady's rob, if you know what I mean.
[58:46] Speaker 2: And I went, oh, okay, but he said, all these
[58:50] Speaker 2: people will tell you it's like a primate or something
[58:54] Speaker 2: along those lines. He said, not what I saw, but
[58:57] Speaker 2: he said massive like he was saying. It was about
[59:00] Speaker 2: a foot broad as anything, very muscular, and he said
[59:04] Speaker 2: for speed. It went up the mountain. And it was
[59:07] Speaker 2: interesting because he said, I just went away and thought, oh,
[59:12] Speaker 2: I saw a massive, naked, hairy man. And again I said,
[59:16] Speaker 2: did you know, I think that was a bit strange
[59:18] Speaker 2: and he went, well, I don't know. And then he
[59:21] Speaker 2: started dating a Canadian and he was telling me he
[59:25] Speaker 2: was somewhere with it and they were looking through a
[59:27] Speaker 2: book and there was like a drawing or something like
[59:32] Speaker 2: that of a sasquatch and then he went, oh, what's
[59:35] Speaker 2: this and his girlfriend at the time said, oh, we
[59:39] Speaker 2: call it's a sasquatch. And then he was like, oh,
[59:43] Speaker 2: I've seen that, and then he said. She was saying,
[59:47] Speaker 2: what do you mean you've seen it? And he said, oh,
[59:49] Speaker 2: I saw it, you know. Then he told what happened
[59:51] Speaker 2: and she went, no, no, these things aren't really and
[59:53] Speaker 2: he went, yeah, they I've seen one, but he always
[59:56] Speaker 2: called it. It's weird. He calls a sas watch, but
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: he talks about a giant man. It was because when
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: he came back on a subsequent visit, I asked him
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: more and he would use the term sasquatch, but he
[1:00:14] Speaker 2: was adamant, adamant it was a giant hairy man, not
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: not fur but hair. And then he said to me,
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: I said, have you ever seen one again? Since? He
[1:00:23] Speaker 2: went no, But he said I've smelt them. And I
[1:00:25] Speaker 2: said you smelt them and he said yeah. He said
[1:00:27] Speaker 2: rob he said, I've smelt bear, and I've smelt a
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: bear and it's got quietive think smell. He went, these thing.
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: He said, it stinks to high heaven. He said it's
[1:00:37] Speaker 2: worse than a skunk. And he said, I've been hunting
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: before and he said, I know, I've been very close
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: to them. But he was such an interesting one, Jeremiah,
[1:00:48] Speaker 2: because if you speak to him, it was so weird
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: because he's described in a sas watch that's what he saw.
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: But he's talking about it as if it was a
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: giant human and that's what it is in his mind.
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: And I said to him, so you're saying it's like
[1:01:04] Speaker 2: a person, and he went, oh, yeah, absolutely, but he
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: said it's the biggest person you've ever set eyes on.
[1:01:13] Speaker 2: That was one in particular that stands out to me
[1:01:19] Speaker 2: because he just said it so completely out of the blue,
[1:01:22] Speaker 2: and it was fascinating talking to him about it. And
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: he waved at this thing as well, because he just
[1:01:27] Speaker 2: thought it was a person, a big person. But he
[1:01:30] Speaker 2: said when it stood up, he said, then he realized,
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: you know, not to go any further. But this thing
[1:01:38] Speaker 2: took off anyway. And that I think was in the
[1:01:41] Speaker 2: Mission area, the mountains around Mission, because because I was
[1:01:44] Speaker 2: working in a different town, I was working in a
[1:01:46] Speaker 2: town called Abbastad at the time, and he was telling
[1:01:49] Speaker 2: me it was out that way and he still to
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: this day. I mean it was a few years ago
[1:01:54] Speaker 2: I saw him, but up until that point he was
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: still going out hunting and you know, up through the
[1:01:59] Speaker 2: mountains things. But he he said that it's not a primate.
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: He said, there's nothing primate about it or or ape
[1:02:09] Speaker 2: like about it. He said, it's it's it's a giant person.
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: And you know, it's just for me. It's fascinating when
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: when you know somebody and you know them as being
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: very genuine and nothing up to that point has made
[1:02:26] Speaker 2: you think that they fabricate or lie about anything, and
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: then they come out and tell you something like that.
[1:02:33] Speaker 2: It's incredible. So that that was, you know, a really
[1:02:39] Speaker 2: you know, interesting one for it. And then this year,
[1:02:44] Speaker 2: funnily enough, Harrison Hot Springs has a you know, it's
[1:02:48] Speaker 2: got bed and breakfast, some small hotels, and it's got
[1:02:51] Speaker 2: a large hotel, Harrison Hot Springs Hotel. And one of
[1:02:55] Speaker 2: my patients was at a conference there and she decided,
[1:02:59] Speaker 2: because her company paid for it, to stay all week
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: at the hotel rather than commute back to her home.
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: So anyway, I was asking her about what the hotel
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: was like, and this hotel is right by Harrison Lake,
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: and she went really annoying at night and I said
[1:03:20] Speaker 2: it was in the summer. I said, why is that?
[1:03:22] Speaker 2: And she's quite an overweight lady, and she said, you know,
[1:03:27] Speaker 2: when you're like me, rob, you sweat all the time.
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: So she said, I sleep with the windows open. And
[1:03:32] Speaker 2: she said, I had like the windows open to a
[1:03:35] Speaker 2: very small balcony, and these balconies look over the lake
[1:03:40] Speaker 2: and she went every night she went about two am.
[1:03:43] Speaker 2: Around that time, she went, there's this weird howling. And
[1:03:46] Speaker 2: I was like, well, do you in howling? She went,
[1:03:48] Speaker 2: it would start over one side of the lake, in
[1:03:51] Speaker 2: the mountains, and these mountains on this side of the lake,
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: on the east side, that's where that's watched Provincial Park is.
[1:03:58] Speaker 2: And you're not from Ruby Creek. I don't know if
[1:04:02] Speaker 2: you're familiar with the Ruby Creek story, but yeah, it's
[1:04:08] Speaker 2: out that way. So she said it would start on
[1:04:11] Speaker 2: that side of the mountains. And then she said, a
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: minute or two later, you hear it from the other
[1:04:18] Speaker 2: side of the mountain. And she said these calls would
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: go back and forth for I can't remember how long.
[1:04:27] Speaker 2: She said, for quite a period of time. So she said,
[1:04:29] Speaker 2: I'd lie there in bed hearing it from one side
[1:04:31] Speaker 2: and over on the other. And I said, what do
[1:04:35] Speaker 2: you think. She said, they were like screams, and they
[1:04:37] Speaker 2: were like owls. And I said like a wolf and
[1:04:42] Speaker 2: she said, no, not a wolf. And I will say
[1:04:46] Speaker 2: as far as I know, wolves are not very common
[1:04:50] Speaker 2: in this area at all. I've never met anyone who've
[1:04:53] Speaker 2: seen one. Coyotes, yeah, but not wolf. But she said
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: it wasn't like a wolf. And well I can say
[1:05:00] Speaker 2: about this particular lady is as a patient, I wasn't
[1:05:04] Speaker 2: going to press her and go, do you think it
[1:05:06] Speaker 2: was a sasquash because she probably would be the sort
[1:05:09] Speaker 2: of the patient that wouldn't come back to see me
[1:05:11] Speaker 2: because she think I was a crap pot. But in
[1:05:14] Speaker 2: my mind, I was just chucked in a way because
[1:05:18] Speaker 2: I thought, oh, you know, it's pretty interesting what she heard.
[1:05:22] Speaker 2: And I said to her, well, it must have been
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: big if you can hear it from one side and
[1:05:25] Speaker 2: then you can hear it you know something else was
[1:05:27] Speaker 2: calling from the other. And she was like yeah, I remember,
[1:05:30] Speaker 2: she said, really irritated because she said it happened every
[1:05:33] Speaker 2: night and it started to annoy me after after a while.
[1:05:37] Speaker 2: But you know, in my mind, I'm sort of thinking,
[1:05:41] Speaker 2: you know, how fortunate it was, and you know, just
[1:05:45] Speaker 2: a shame she couldn't try and somehow record it. But
[1:05:48] Speaker 2: again she would only have her her sort of cell phone.
[1:05:52] Speaker 2: But that's in you know, that's in the Harrison Hot
[1:05:55] Speaker 2: Springs area and going back. Really, he the chap that
[1:06:02] Speaker 2: I mentioned, Jeremiah, that was a retired forestry service worker.
[1:06:09] Speaker 2: I last hike with him last year. They now they
[1:06:13] Speaker 2: now go abroad a lot for vacations and things and
[1:06:16] Speaker 2: what have you. And the last time I went hiking
[1:06:19] Speaker 2: with him, he used to tease me a lot about sasquatch.
[1:06:21] Speaker 2: He used to go, you know, just always joke about it.
[1:06:24] Speaker 2: And I asked him many times over the years, have
[1:06:27] Speaker 2: you seen anything? And he went no, no, not not
[1:06:29] Speaker 2: at all. And I said you believe in it and
[1:06:32] Speaker 2: he went no, no, it's all a bunch of crap.
[1:06:34] Speaker 2: And I was like, okay. But last year I was
[1:06:37] Speaker 2: hiking with him and we were going through the forest
[1:06:41] Speaker 2: and we're just talking in general and he says, you
[1:06:45] Speaker 2: haven't seen a sasquatch And I sort of looked up
[1:06:50] Speaker 2: at him, like, oh, here we go again, and I
[1:06:52] Speaker 2: went no. And then he turned around and he looks
[1:06:55] Speaker 2: into me and he went really, And I went no.
[1:06:58] Speaker 2: I said, you know, I haven't And I went, why
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: are you doing all this again? And oh, okay, you've
[1:07:04] Speaker 2: never seen anyone? And I don't know. And I said
[1:07:06] Speaker 2: to him you'd better not tell me after all these
[1:07:10] Speaker 2: years you've seen something. And he went, well, I don't
[1:07:14] Speaker 2: think it was a sasquad. So I asked him what
[1:07:18] Speaker 2: he was on about, and what he described was I
[1:07:23] Speaker 2: guess like the Predator effect, you know, the cloaking. He
[1:07:27] Speaker 2: said he was out in the bush doing his work
[1:07:31] Speaker 2: once and he saw When I asked him, is it
[1:07:36] Speaker 2: like the Predator in the movie. He'd never seen Predator,
[1:07:39] Speaker 2: so he didn't know what I was on about. But
[1:07:41] Speaker 2: he said, it was like you were looking through a figure,
[1:07:45] Speaker 2: like a translucent figure. And really now, it's what some
[1:07:49] Speaker 2: people would say like a cloaking effect, like that Predator effect.
[1:07:53] Speaker 2: And I said, do you think it was an upright thing?
[1:07:56] Speaker 2: He said, oh yeah. He said you could see like limbs,
[1:07:59] Speaker 2: and you could see ur and it was big. So
[1:08:02] Speaker 2: I said to him, you know, what do you think
[1:08:05] Speaker 2: it was? And he said, well, it's clearly not what
[1:08:07] Speaker 2: they call a sasquatch because I couldn't see you know,
[1:08:10] Speaker 2: I could see right through it. But he'd never told
[1:08:13] Speaker 2: me that, And I said to him, why's he never
[1:08:15] Speaker 2: told me that before? And he said, well, you know,
[1:08:18] Speaker 2: why would I And I said, would you think it's
[1:08:21] Speaker 2: anything linked sasquatch, and he said, no, not at all.
[1:08:23] Speaker 2: He said, I don't know what that was, and then
[1:08:26] Speaker 2: he kind of laughed. He went, maybe it was a
[1:08:28] Speaker 2: big ghost, but he put you know, he didn't sort
[1:08:34] Speaker 2: of link it in any way. And he's the sort
[1:08:36] Speaker 2: of chat he teases me about the subject. So I
[1:08:38] Speaker 2: wasn't even going to start saying to him, Look, you
[1:08:42] Speaker 2: know some people believe these things cloak. So I again,
[1:08:46] Speaker 2: I left it at that. But for this area, it's
[1:08:52] Speaker 2: a strange area, Jeremiah, because people will tell you it's
[1:08:55] Speaker 2: the hotbed, but when you hear you don't hear too
[1:08:59] Speaker 2: much about it. And if you look at some of
[1:09:02] Speaker 2: the reports, they're from quite a long while ago, and
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: I sometimes wonder if these things are still in the
[1:09:08] Speaker 2: area much at all. But I guess it's trying to ask,
[1:09:13] Speaker 2: Like with what you do, it's trying to get the
[1:09:15] Speaker 2: right individual, to get them relaxed enough to tell you.
[1:09:20] Speaker 2: But the majority of people, if I ever hear them
[1:09:23] Speaker 2: talk about it, they rubbish the subject. They just they
[1:09:27] Speaker 2: don't think there's anything to it. You know, again, if
[1:09:33] Speaker 2: you go to Harrison Hotsprings, it's a big tourist thing,
[1:09:36] Speaker 2: but it's you know, it's an interesting subject. This where
[1:09:42] Speaker 2: are we? We're twenty twenty six. It's twenty twenty six,
[1:09:45] Speaker 2: not me today. Sorry, last year, it feels weird now
[1:09:48] Speaker 2: saying this. Last year, last summer, we had a really
[1:09:54] Speaker 2: unusual occurrence involving my youngest on Vancouver Island. So for
[1:10:02] Speaker 2: one of a better word, it was encrypted, but it
[1:10:04] Speaker 2: wasn't a sasquatch. It was a marine cryptid. Anyway, him
[1:10:07] Speaker 2: and his body saw a seawater crypted off the coast
[1:10:14] Speaker 2: where we were saying, and I realized that something like
[1:10:18] Speaker 2: this should be reported. So I got in touch with
[1:10:22] Speaker 2: the British Columbia Cryptozoological Society and they actually came out
[1:10:29] Speaker 2: to interview my son and his buddy to get a
[1:10:32] Speaker 2: description of what they saw. I'm going slightly off topic here,
[1:10:37] Speaker 2: but anyway, I then just got chatting to them about
[1:10:39] Speaker 2: general and I thought in general and I thought, pray,
[1:10:42] Speaker 2: I'll use this opportunity to talk to them about sasquatch.
[1:10:45] Speaker 2: And they actually took me out to the Ruby Creek
[1:10:52] Speaker 2: location where the Chapman's house actually was, which was pretty
[1:10:57] Speaker 2: cool because apparently it's not an easy place to get
[1:11:00] Speaker 2: to and you can only get to it with permission
[1:11:02] Speaker 2: because you kind of go down a private road. But
[1:11:06] Speaker 2: they showed me a bit that location, and I spent
[1:11:09] Speaker 2: a day with them in that area, just driving around
[1:11:14] Speaker 2: different spots, and it was interesting talking to them. But
[1:11:21] Speaker 2: you know, they they were saying that the side things
[1:11:24] Speaker 2: are probably dying down a little bit and becoming less
[1:11:26] Speaker 2: frequent than what they were and not as not as
[1:11:31] Speaker 2: reported as often either. But for me, you know, like
[1:11:36] Speaker 2: I'm doing with you, it's nice when you can talk
[1:11:38] Speaker 2: to somebody that has an interest in it that doesn't
[1:11:41] Speaker 2: rubbish it, because you just can't talk to people in general,
[1:11:45] Speaker 2: you know, about this subject. You know, I guess if
[1:11:48] Speaker 2: you're doing you know, what you do with the podcast
[1:11:51] Speaker 2: and the channel, you know you're able to do that,
[1:11:55] Speaker 2: But in general with me, I yeah, I just I
[1:11:59] Speaker 2: don't know anyone who outside of the patients that I've
[1:12:03] Speaker 2: met who have an interest in it, will believe there's
[1:12:06] Speaker 2: anything to do with it. And I, you know, I
[1:12:10] Speaker 2: still go out every weekend, but I now go out
[1:12:14] Speaker 2: just to enjoy things, and you know, I clear my
[1:12:18] Speaker 2: head and don't think about the subject, and you know,
[1:12:23] Speaker 2: whether I will see anything again, you know, it's probably
[1:12:26] Speaker 2: unlikely that I will. But the stuff I've had to
[1:12:29] Speaker 2: me does convince me that, you know, this is a
[1:12:33] Speaker 2: real thing. And those patients that I haven't met, they
[1:12:36] Speaker 2: were genuine people. You know. I got a good handle
[1:12:39] Speaker 2: on their personality. And I'm not a lot, you know,
[1:12:42] Speaker 2: a lie detective specialist. But when when you're a physical
[1:12:45] Speaker 2: therapist and you every day spent conversing with people, you know,
[1:12:50] Speaker 2: you get to figure out yourself the little body language
[1:12:54] Speaker 2: props if a lying in different stuff. And all these
[1:12:56] Speaker 2: people were very genuine. So it's been a great experience.
[1:13:00] Speaker 2: It's so far living here.
[1:13:01] Speaker 1: You know, for sure, what an absolutely fascinating journey of
[1:13:09] Speaker 1: rob that you've you've been on. I hope that you
[1:13:11] Speaker 1: are writing stuff down that you keep running into two
[1:13:16] Speaker 1: people that are having just wild encounters in this area,
[1:13:21] Speaker 1: which I mean, good for you. I'm glad there's someone
[1:13:24] Speaker 1: up there with the right viewpoint of things that is
[1:13:28] Speaker 1: able to keep track of what's going on.
[1:13:32] Speaker 2: My goodness. Well, just just to add, following on from
[1:13:40] Speaker 2: what happened with my son and his buddy in the summer,
[1:13:44] Speaker 2: I was telling one of my coworkers at work about this,
[1:13:47] Speaker 2: and I know him really well and I went in
[1:13:50] Speaker 2: a room with him and shut the door because he asked, oh,
[1:13:52] Speaker 2: how is your vacation on Vancouver Island? And I said, oh,
[1:13:55] Speaker 2: you know, you wouldn't believe this. And then he is like,
[1:14:00] Speaker 2: I said, you probably think I'm making this up. And
[1:14:03] Speaker 2: he went no, no, and he said, and we've never
[1:14:06] Speaker 2: discussed this. And he said, hey, Robie, what do you
[1:14:08] Speaker 2: think about the whole Sasquatch thing? And I said, oh, yeah,
[1:14:12] Speaker 2: I said, I think there's something there. And he went
[1:14:13] Speaker 2: me to me too, and he said, what do you
[1:14:18] Speaker 2: think about, you know, the River valley, the mountains and
[1:14:21] Speaker 2: the trails and stuff. And I said, well, you know,
[1:14:24] Speaker 2: I'm always up there hiking. And he said it's a
[1:14:27] Speaker 2: weird area, isn't it? And I said it supposedly it is.
[1:14:35] Speaker 4: You're familiar with the missing for one one, David olidis, yes, absolutely, yeah.
[1:14:45] Speaker 4: So there are two or three cases in his book
[1:14:49] Speaker 4: that have happened up in this area. So I was
[1:14:53] Speaker 4: telling my co worker this and then he said, did
[1:14:57] Speaker 4: I ever tell you what happened when we were camping?
[1:15:01] Speaker 4: And I went no, and he went, I went camping
[1:15:03] Speaker 4: with a buddy and they were camping by a lake
[1:15:08] Speaker 4: and this lake has these designated I guess platforms where
[1:15:14] Speaker 4: you can picture tent and my coworker his tent was
[1:15:18] Speaker 4: on the one that was the furthest away from the lake.
[1:15:22] Speaker 4: Behind it was just the forest and the mountain.
[1:15:27] Speaker 2: And he said, I'll tell your Robbie said, I'll never
[1:15:29] Speaker 2: ever go back to the area again, one hundred percent,
[1:15:32] Speaker 2: not how camping. And I said, oh, what happened? And
[1:15:36] Speaker 2: he said, in the night something was playing with like
[1:15:42] Speaker 2: the zip. The zip called on his tent so he
[1:15:46] Speaker 2: could hear it being toggled with and then sort of
[1:15:50] Speaker 2: pulled down a little bit. And he said, when it
[1:15:54] Speaker 2: first happened, you know, he shot up, he pulled the
[1:15:57] Speaker 2: zipper down, stuck his head out of the tent with
[1:15:59] Speaker 2: a tour There was nothing that It's just a forest.
[1:16:03] Speaker 2: And he said, his buddy platform was I don't know,
[1:16:07] Speaker 2: several meters away. So he said he called out to
[1:16:11] Speaker 2: his body and said like, hey, you know, he's at you,
[1:16:14] Speaker 2: and his body was like no anyway. You know, they
[1:16:17] Speaker 2: forgot about it. He said. About ten minutes later, same
[1:16:21] Speaker 2: thing again, something pulling on the zipper, pulling it down
[1:16:25] Speaker 2: a little bit. I said, what did you do? Then
[1:16:28] Speaker 2: he said, I didn't stick my head out. Robbie said,
[1:16:30] Speaker 2: I was terrified. He said, I got my torch and
[1:16:32] Speaker 2: kind of shone it through the tent and he said,
[1:16:36] Speaker 2: I started yelling at my body. You know, he's at you,
[1:16:38] Speaker 2: and his buddy was yelling back at him, quite annoyed, going,
[1:16:42] Speaker 2: will you stop shouting. I'm trying to sleep, And he
[1:16:45] Speaker 2: said it happened two more times, and he said the
[1:16:48] Speaker 2: last time it happened, he said, I plucked up the
[1:16:50] Speaker 2: courage and got out the tent with a knife and
[1:16:55] Speaker 2: a torch, and he when it's so weird. Robbie went,
[1:16:58] Speaker 2: there was just nothing there. And I said, like, do
[1:17:00] Speaker 2: you think he was a raccoon or something like that?
[1:17:02] Speaker 2: And he went, no, no, And he didn't want to
[1:17:06] Speaker 2: imply sasquatch, but he was pretty spooked about it. And
[1:17:12] Speaker 2: what was interesting about that area? I was telling him
[1:17:16] Speaker 2: I had a patient who does he's not only a
[1:17:20] Speaker 2: keen hiker, but he actually helps make and maintain a
[1:17:25] Speaker 2: lot of the trails. And again we just got talking,
[1:17:31] Speaker 2: and then you know, I started to prompt him on
[1:17:34] Speaker 2: some stuff and I told him about the rocks and
[1:17:37] Speaker 2: then he said, oh, I guess you've heard about all
[1:17:39] Speaker 2: the stories of this region with the sasquatch and stuff.
[1:17:42] Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, I have, and it was really interesting.
[1:17:46] Speaker 2: And he said to me him and his wife were
[1:17:50] Speaker 2: hiking with a couple they know in that region and
[1:17:56] Speaker 2: he said, Rob, we'd heard crazy screams, like terrifying screams
[1:18:05] Speaker 2: that made them turn around and head back. And again
[1:18:08] Speaker 2: I said to him, you know, do you think it
[1:18:10] Speaker 2: was cougar or something like that? And he was like, no, no,
[1:18:13] Speaker 2: and he said, I'm convinced it's one of these things.
[1:18:16] Speaker 2: And the interesting thing about him was, and this is
[1:18:19] Speaker 2: the only time I've ever heard it mentioned by anybody.
[1:18:23] Speaker 2: On a subsequent visit, you know, naturally, I, out of
[1:18:26] Speaker 2: my own interest, I got on the subject with him
[1:18:28] Speaker 2: again and I said to him, you know, we were
[1:18:31] Speaker 2: just chatting about it, and he said, have you ever
[1:18:33] Speaker 2: heard of the little people? And I went and I went,
[1:18:38] Speaker 2: I have. Actually, I said, not a lot. I said,
[1:18:41] Speaker 2: but if you get into this subject, I said, somewhere
[1:18:43] Speaker 2: down the line, you hear about it. He said, he
[1:18:47] Speaker 2: has indigenous friends who have a like a cabin in
[1:18:51] Speaker 2: the mountain somewhere, and he was telling them about my
[1:18:56] Speaker 2: experience with the rocks, and he said to me that
[1:18:59] Speaker 2: they they said to him, tell the physical therapist that
[1:19:03] Speaker 2: that's one hundred percent of first squatch, and tell him
[1:19:06] Speaker 2: to be careful. And I was like, oh, okay. And
[1:19:09] Speaker 2: then they said to him tell him as well to
[1:19:14] Speaker 2: stay away from the little people. And I was like, well,
[1:19:19] Speaker 2: nine hundred percent, I haven't seen any little people. And
[1:19:21] Speaker 2: he said, well, Rob, they said, if you see any
[1:19:24] Speaker 2: small footprints, turn around and go back, don't go any further.
[1:19:30] Speaker 2: And that's all he ever said about it, because he said,
[1:19:32] Speaker 2: that's all they ever said about it. But that was
[1:19:35] Speaker 2: the only time that I've heard that mentioned. But what
[1:19:41] Speaker 2: was interesting that, going back years before that, the female
[1:19:44] Speaker 2: I asked cmp. I remember she said to me, if
[1:19:47] Speaker 2: you're ever out in the forest or you're hiking and
[1:19:50] Speaker 2: you hear your name being called, or you hear a
[1:19:54] Speaker 2: baby crying or anything like that, turn around and go back.
[1:20:00] Speaker 2: And that's all they said. They went, don't don't try
[1:20:03] Speaker 2: and explore it, just turn around and go back immediately
[1:20:06] Speaker 2: to back home again. So they're some fascinating things around
[1:20:12] Speaker 2: for sure, And I just wonder how many people are
[1:20:15] Speaker 2: holding something in and just not telling you, you know,
[1:20:18] Speaker 2: what it's all about.
[1:20:22] Speaker 1: A lot, Rob, I would say, it's a lot. Half
[1:20:26] Speaker 1: the people I talked to end up not going on
[1:20:28] Speaker 1: the show because they're scared to lose their job or
[1:20:32] Speaker 1: what people will say. So it is a lot, my friend,
[1:20:38] Speaker 1: you have experienced some incredible things, and I just want
[1:20:43] Speaker 1: to so the video you sent me. I don't agree
[1:20:47] Speaker 1: with the person I've said that to you, not at all,
[1:20:51] Speaker 1: not a percent. It's just is it okay if I
[1:20:57] Speaker 1: put that video in YouTuber?
[1:21:01] Speaker 2: Oh of course you can. Yeah, yeah. And I mean
[1:21:03] Speaker 2: the one thing I was just going to add about
[1:21:05] Speaker 2: the video that bent over branch and these were bloody
[1:21:10] Speaker 2: thick branches right, and tall trees right. That branch is
[1:21:15] Speaker 2: perfectly sitting in the center of that X. And I
[1:21:19] Speaker 2: had a little look and nearby what you can't see
[1:21:24] Speaker 2: in the video, I'm not sure if you could hear it,
[1:21:27] Speaker 2: there was a very small like you couldn't even call
[1:21:29] Speaker 2: it a creek, but like a runoff from further up
[1:21:31] Speaker 2: the mountain, and that middle branch that the tip of it,
[1:21:36] Speaker 2: so to speak, was wedged under the bank it. You know,
[1:21:43] Speaker 2: it wasn't just lying down on the forest floor. It
[1:21:46] Speaker 2: was wedged underneath the bank of this little creek, and
[1:21:50] Speaker 2: I just thought it looked too distinctive for me anyway,
[1:21:55] Speaker 2: you know, like number one you got that perfect X,
[1:21:58] Speaker 2: and then number two you some how got another. Well,
[1:22:03] Speaker 2: it wasn't even a branch. There was a tree that's
[1:22:06] Speaker 2: been bent right the way over and it's sitting on that.
[1:22:09] Speaker 2: I mean, you know this this lady that told me,
[1:22:13] Speaker 2: she said, look it's snowfall. Okay, I'm no, she's probably
[1:22:18] Speaker 2: seen way more than me, but I still think it
[1:22:21] Speaker 2: looked too and it was so out of the ordinary
[1:22:25] Speaker 2: of everything else around it enoughing, you know, it was strange.
[1:22:28] Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm with you. I just kind of
[1:22:33] Speaker 2: thought it's there. That's deliberate. I just don't think that's accidental.
[1:22:38] Speaker 2: I don't think it's the wind. I don't think it's
[1:22:40] Speaker 2: the snow.
[1:22:41] Speaker 1: It's absolutely deliberate. I mean I would say there's nothing
[1:22:44] Speaker 1: to do with with snowload for that. That's not snowload
[1:22:48] Speaker 1: one percent in my opinion. Anyways. Also your account of
[1:22:57] Speaker 1: talking to the gentleman, which we're not going to talk
[1:23:03] Speaker 1: about that gentleman, but I get it. But it's an
[1:23:06] Speaker 1: interesting journey you went through in that, which is you know,
[1:23:12] Speaker 1: really you found the in quotation wise old man on
[1:23:16] Speaker 1: the mountain who's allegedly has all the answers. But it
[1:23:21] Speaker 1: almost made you walk away, But you came to the
[1:23:23] Speaker 1: realization that hey, I need to figure this out for
[1:23:28] Speaker 1: myself and I have experienced things, and just because some
[1:23:35] Speaker 1: other guys says it's not accurate, you know, I don't
[1:23:39] Speaker 1: think that should push people away, but unfortunately it does.
[1:23:42] Speaker 1: I mean, your story is not the first one that
[1:23:44] Speaker 1: I've heard like that, But people need to realize, hey,
[1:23:47] Speaker 1: they're they're experiencing something out there and they need to
[1:23:51] Speaker 1: figure it out for themselves and not relay, not rely
[1:23:55] Speaker 1: on the people that say they're experts, because there's no
[1:23:57] Speaker 1: experts in this field. That's what it comes down to.
[1:24:02] Speaker 2: Well, and that was a thing that annoyed me about
[1:24:05] Speaker 2: this individual on the phone. He was talking like an expert,
[1:24:12] Speaker 2: but then he was saying there are no experts, and
[1:24:15] Speaker 2: I wanted to go, well, you've written I think it's
[1:24:17] Speaker 2: three books on it, and I've seen you on different
[1:24:20] Speaker 2: YouTube documentaries and you talk about you're an expert, and
[1:24:25] Speaker 2: you rubbish anything else that doesn't follow your paradigm, so
[1:24:31] Speaker 2: to speak. And then he was almost whatever I said
[1:24:36] Speaker 2: I almost got to the point in the phone conversation
[1:24:38] Speaker 2: where I just felt like coming out with things like, oh,
[1:24:41] Speaker 2: what about whatnox, what about rock clerks, what about growing likes?
[1:24:45] Speaker 2: What about this? Everything was like, no, no, no, there's
[1:24:49] Speaker 2: no evidence. There's no evidence. There's no evidence, and the
[1:24:52] Speaker 2: things that done it for me. I just flat out
[1:24:55] Speaker 2: said to him, can I ask you believe in this?
[1:24:57] Speaker 2: And he hesitated, It wasn't like and then I just
[1:25:05] Speaker 2: you know, in the end, I was almost just playing
[1:25:07] Speaker 2: with him, you know, just because I thought what a
[1:25:10] Speaker 2: pointless time it was for me to do it. And
[1:25:16] Speaker 2: then I think the thing that got me and I
[1:25:18] Speaker 2: argued with this hi he said, I firmly believe the
[1:25:21] Speaker 2: majority of them are a case of misidentification, and it's
[1:25:26] Speaker 2: a bear. And I said, you think it's a bear
[1:25:30] Speaker 2: walking around on two legs? And he went yeah, And
[1:25:33] Speaker 2: I went, have have you ever seen a bear walk
[1:25:36] Speaker 2: on two legs? I went, they walk like a toddler
[1:25:40] Speaker 2: in a diaper that they've just had, you know, but
[1:25:43] Speaker 2: they just filled. I went, there's nothing graceful about bears
[1:25:46] Speaker 2: when they walk the two legs. And you know, thinking
[1:25:50] Speaker 2: back to the thing that this irishman said, to me
[1:25:52] Speaker 2: about this thing that went up the mountain side. He said,
[1:25:54] Speaker 2: he went a bit like an athlete, you know, on
[1:25:57] Speaker 2: two legs. There's don't go up the mountain on two legs.
[1:26:00] Speaker 2: So I argued with them and I said, that was
[1:26:02] Speaker 2: the one thing I said, I completely disagree. I said,
[1:26:05] Speaker 2: people know what a bear looks like. And I said,
[1:26:07] Speaker 2: if you look at the build of a bear on
[1:26:09] Speaker 2: two legs, they have really narrow shoulders, they kind of
[1:26:13] Speaker 2: widen out at the hips. They have broad pelvis, you know,
[1:26:16] Speaker 2: but their shoulders are narrow, and they have distinctive ears.
[1:26:20] Speaker 2: And I said, in most cases these things don't, and
[1:26:22] Speaker 2: they have massive shoulders, you know, like like plane hanger shoulders.
[1:26:28] Speaker 2: So I, yeah, I did go off it for a while,
[1:26:31] Speaker 2: but then I came back round, you know, to it again.
[1:26:34] Speaker 2: And I stay very open minded. And I just convinced
[1:26:40] Speaker 2: just from particularly the people I've spoken to, you know,
[1:26:44] Speaker 2: just when you when you see it in their eyes,
[1:26:47] Speaker 2: you see it in their manner, You're like, yeah, there's
[1:26:50] Speaker 2: no other explanation for it, no other explanation at all.
[1:26:57] Speaker 1: Rob, what a fascinating conversation. In my goodness, I really
[1:27:03] Speaker 1: didn't know a lot about what we were going to
[1:27:06] Speaker 1: be talking about. And I mean, you have really really
[1:27:10] Speaker 1: been able to talk to a lot of people in
[1:27:12] Speaker 1: this area. I hope that continues for you. It sounds
[1:27:14] Speaker 1: like people are starting to I don't know, they're just
[1:27:16] Speaker 1: kind of drawn to you for some reason, which is
[1:27:19] Speaker 1: really interesting to share their account. But is this something
[1:27:26] Speaker 1: where you hope to experience something again in the future
[1:27:31] Speaker 1: or how do you feel regarding that.
[1:27:37] Speaker 2: I'd love to get a visual just to see it
[1:27:41] Speaker 2: for myself, Yeah, and just in my mind to confirm
[1:27:47] Speaker 2: what's the rocket day? How we just love that? You know,
[1:27:53] Speaker 2: I know I can't prove it, but I'm so convinced
[1:27:55] Speaker 2: it wasn't a person. And then the only other thing that, potentially,
[1:28:00] Speaker 2: depending on your views of it, that could do it
[1:28:02] Speaker 2: is one of these things. So I would love just
[1:28:04] Speaker 2: to get enough of a visual, whether it's you know,
[1:28:10] Speaker 2: I'm driving in a car and one crosses a road
[1:28:12] Speaker 2: or head or whether I'm you know, like I do,
[1:28:15] Speaker 2: sitting on a rock with monoculars just just looking for
[1:28:18] Speaker 2: wildlife see one. I would so love to just to
[1:28:22] Speaker 2: just get that little glimpse, even if it's just a
[1:28:24] Speaker 2: second or two, where I can just go right that's it. Yeah,
[1:28:27] Speaker 2: I'm good with that, you know, I can, you know,
[1:28:31] Speaker 2: happily just be very content knowing I'm not ninety percent
[1:28:38] Speaker 2: now and one hundred percent convinced that you know there's
[1:28:42] Speaker 2: something there. Yeah, I would. I would love to love
[1:28:45] Speaker 2: to see one. I really would. I when I hear
[1:28:47] Speaker 2: people like this irishman, I listen to his account, He's
[1:28:50] Speaker 2: the one I always remember and I'm LIKELD, that must
[1:28:52] Speaker 2: have just been amazing but probably terrifying as well. But
[1:28:58] Speaker 2: you know, I absolutely would love to see Will. Yeah,
[1:29:01] Speaker 2: but I just don't think ever Will. I don't think
[1:29:03] Speaker 2: iver Will.
[1:29:07] Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. I'm hoping that, you know,
[1:29:10] Speaker 1: hopefully twenty twenty six is the year that I'm able
[1:29:13] Speaker 1: to get a visual as visual as well. But man, Rob,
[1:29:17] Speaker 1: I was just looking and reminding myself. You first reached
[1:29:22] Speaker 1: out in November of twenty twenty four, and I am
[1:29:24] Speaker 1: just so thankful that we're actually able to have this conversation.
[1:29:28] Speaker 1: Sometimes it takes a while to have them, but so
[1:29:32] Speaker 1: thankful that you were able to come on. And you
[1:29:35] Speaker 1: had also said that if people want to reach out
[1:29:39] Speaker 1: to you to talk about bigfoot in this area, they're
[1:29:43] Speaker 1: able to do.
[1:29:44] Speaker 2: So right, Yeah, yeah, I'm mold and happy. Yeah, I'm
[1:29:50] Speaker 2: old and happy.
[1:29:50] Speaker 1: Too, fantastic. I am going to put that contact info
[1:29:55] Speaker 1: then in the description for this episode, so people can
[1:30:03] Speaker 1: reach out if they would like to talk to Rob
[1:30:08] Speaker 1: about any encounters they've had in the area. And of
[1:30:11] Speaker 1: course people are always more than welcome to reach out
[1:30:15] Speaker 1: to myself if they have things to report, bigfoot sightings
[1:30:19] Speaker 1: or encounters in their area to report, they can reach
[1:30:22] Speaker 1: out to me as Bigfoot Society gmail dot com. But Rob,
[1:30:25] Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the show, and
[1:30:29] Speaker 1: I'm sure that you'll continue to run into encounters just
[1:30:34] Speaker 1: living in this area, and we'll definitely have to keep
[1:30:37] Speaker 1: in touch.
[1:30:40] Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, It's like I said, I mean, I didn't
[1:30:45] Speaker 2: have a visual, but I think I have something that
[1:30:50] Speaker 2: strongly suggests we were close to one of these things.
[1:30:52] Speaker 2: So yeah, I appreciate you, you know, seeing it was
[1:30:59] Speaker 2: a for me just to come on and talk to
[1:31:01] Speaker 2: you about it.
[1:31:02] Speaker 1: Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity
[1:31:05] Speaker 1: around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, man, I
[1:31:09] Speaker 1: would love to get out in those woods and experience
[1:31:11] Speaker 1: it for myself. Well guess what this year? You can
[1:31:17] Speaker 1: if this is interesting to you. Stay tuned because it's
[1:31:20] Speaker 1: pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth
[1:31:25] Speaker 1: through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be
[1:31:28] Speaker 1: even better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll
[1:31:32] Speaker 1: be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild.
[1:31:35] Speaker 1: I'll probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you
[1:31:40] Speaker 1: haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well,
[1:31:47] Speaker 1: you just got to be there. We'll leave it that
[1:31:49] Speaker 1: more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now
[1:31:52] Speaker 1: check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his
[1:31:57] Speaker 1: documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can
[1:32:02] Speaker 1: not only go to the festival, but you can also
[1:32:06] Speaker 1: sign up for a track deep in the wild forest
[1:32:13] Speaker 1: outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot spots
[1:32:18] Speaker 1: to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign
[1:32:22] Speaker 1: up for this. And yes, this will also be filmed
[1:32:26] Speaker 1: for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is
[1:32:29] Speaker 1: Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal.
[1:32:32] Speaker 1: It's just it's going to be a wild, wild experience.
[1:32:36] Speaker 1: To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest
[1:32:40] Speaker 1: dot com and listeners can use the code b SP
[1:32:46] Speaker 1: like Bigfoot Society Podcast in order to get a two
[1:32:49] Speaker 1: day pass for the price of a one day pass.
[1:32:53] Speaker 1: So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so
[1:32:57] Speaker 1: that you guys can can get a little help with
[1:33:04] Speaker 1: the cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see
[1:33:07] Speaker 1: you at the booth in Oakridge this year. We can
[1:33:12] Speaker 1: talk about your encounter. Was able to talk to so
[1:33:14] Speaker 1: many people last year and the year before. It is
[1:33:18] Speaker 1: an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it,
[1:33:21] Speaker 1: and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode,
[1:33:25] Speaker 1: I want to say something directly to a very specific
[1:33:28] Speaker 1: group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch
[1:33:32] Speaker 1: or forces, and if you've seen something that no one
[1:33:34] Speaker 1: can explain, or if you're a National Park ranger or
[1:33:38] Speaker 1: forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if
[1:33:41] Speaker 1: you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground,
[1:33:45] Speaker 1: or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or
[1:33:48] Speaker 1: working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed
[1:33:51] Speaker 1: to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or
[1:33:55] Speaker 1: search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks
[1:33:58] Speaker 1: that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry
[1:34:02] Speaker 1: on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government
[1:34:05] Speaker 1: contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told
[1:34:09] Speaker 1: a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,
[1:34:13] Speaker 1: or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence
[1:34:16] Speaker 1: you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,
[1:34:20] Speaker 1: or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something
[1:34:23] Speaker 1: that shook your faith, or if you work in the
[1:34:26] Speaker 1: shadows CIA, NSA or anything with clearance, and you've seen
[1:34:30] Speaker 1: what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you,
[1:34:35] Speaker 1: even if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot
[1:34:40] Speaker 1: Society at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear
[1:34:43] Speaker 1: what you've been forced to carry alone. And you're not alone.
[1:34:48] Speaker 1: You've got the story, We've got the mic. See you
[1:34:53] Speaker 1: in the woods. Thank you for listening to this episode
[1:34:56] Speaker 1: of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds
[1:34:59] Speaker 1: us that the the world is bigger and stranger than
[1:35:01] Speaker 1: we think, and that the truth is often hiding just
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