# BIGFOOT MAKES EYE CONTACT with Witness on Sauvie Island, Oregon

An episode of [Bigfoot Society](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1453429066), 24 Aug 2026, 1 h 13 min.

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Originally released as Episode 547 of Bigfoot Society on 10/4/24. A quiet drive through Oregon farmland turns into a moment that stays with a witness for years. In this episode of Bigfoot Society, Jeremiah Byron talks with Colleen, an Oregon outdoorswoman who spent her life hunting, fishing, hiking, and camping across the Pacific Northwest. During the fall of 2020 on Sauvie Island, she and her partner encountered a large black, humanlike figure crossing a remote access road in broad daylight. The figure looked directly at them, continued calmly across the road, then appeared to stop and watch them before disappearing into dense blackberry hedges. As the years passed, Colleen began connecting that unforgettable encounter with other unexplained experiences from across Oregon. She shares reports of mysterious tree knocks while hiking near Scappoose, unsettling nighttime footsteps outside her home on Sauvie Island, possible vocal exchanges she once believed were owls, and recent activity near her current rural property bordering miles of forest. She also reflects on childhood camping trips near Mount Hood and how those memories have taken on new meaning. This conversation explores what happens after a life-changing encounter, how personal perspectives evolve over time, and why protecting the wild places of the Pacific Northwest has become even more important to her.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: You're listening to Bigflet Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
[0:03] Speaker 1: this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
[0:05] Speaker 1: you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
[0:08] Speaker 1: something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
[0:12] Speaker 1: quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
[0:16] Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
[0:20] Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
[0:24] Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
[0:27] Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
[0:30] Speaker 1: So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers
[0:33] Speaker 1: as he continues his fight against cancer. For more updates
[0:37] Speaker 1: about his medical journey, please go to the carring Bridge
[0:40] Speaker 1: link in the show notes. Thank you all right, BIGFT Society.
[0:44] Speaker 1: You've got the privilege of talking to Colleen from Oregon.
[0:47] Speaker 1: Colleen's an individual that I've been talking to off and
[0:51] Speaker 1: on to try to get on the show. And Colleen's
[0:54] Speaker 1: had some very interesting things happen that she's going to
[0:57] Speaker 1: share with us today. But thank you so much for
[1:00] Speaker 1: coming on the show and welcome calling.
[1:04] Speaker 2: Thank you Jeremiah. Basically I grew up out here. I
[1:11] Speaker 2: was born in Oregon City, grew up hunting, fishing, camping,
[1:16] Speaker 2: and hiking with my dad and my family, and feel
[1:20] Speaker 2: really comfortable out in the woods. I never really thought
[1:25] Speaker 2: about it too much. Bigfoot was just kind of like
[1:27] Speaker 2: an emblem, like a character like Smoky the Bear or
[1:31] Speaker 2: something like that, so I never really thought twice about it.
[1:39] Speaker 2: On twenty twenty, I was living on Sauvie Island. It's
[1:43] Speaker 2: like a big river island that's really close to Portland, Oregon.
[1:49] Speaker 2: It's on the Columbia River and it's like thirty five
[1:53] Speaker 2: square miles. It's like it's a really big highland. I
[1:57] Speaker 2: didn't know how big it was when I started living
[2:00] Speaker 2: on there, and it was really special to be living
[2:02] Speaker 2: out there because it's like a big agricultural community and
[2:10] Speaker 2: it's known for having beaches that people like to go to,
[2:13] Speaker 2: and the locals kind of suffer a little bit because
[2:17] Speaker 2: it's a bit overused, underfunded, and you know, they kind
[2:23] Speaker 2: of suffer a little bit for having people come out
[2:26] Speaker 2: there and just tear it all up basically. But during
[2:32] Speaker 2: the shutdown, I kind of felt lucky to be out there.
[2:37] Speaker 2: It was just me and my partner and our Dog,
[2:40] Speaker 2: and we had like this double wide right on the
[2:44] Speaker 2: river in this little trailer court really, and so we
[2:55] Speaker 2: there's a lot of areas all over the island that
[2:57] Speaker 2: are privately owned this they're in a trust with the
[3:02] Speaker 2: state and the Oregon Department Official Wildlife, so they do
[3:08] Speaker 2: open up these interior areas for just a part of
[3:13] Speaker 2: the year, less than half of the year. It's open
[3:16] Speaker 2: for people to go out and spend some time, you know, respectfully.
[3:22] Speaker 2: And so we'd go out for walks all the time,
[3:26] Speaker 2: take Kansas to the Dog and one of these spots
[3:31] Speaker 2: I call the Savannah because it was just like big
[3:34] Speaker 2: opens to me, grassland, and some folks have their cattle
[3:39] Speaker 2: out there, and there's some lakes and you know, really
[3:43] Speaker 2: nice stands of trees and it's just really pretty. So
[3:49] Speaker 2: it's only a two miles down the road from where
[3:54] Speaker 2: we were living. So we hop in the car and
[3:58] Speaker 2: we're going to go out there, and it's like September,
[4:01] Speaker 2: it's right before they're gonna shut down the island basically
[4:05] Speaker 2: for this hunting season, and so we're just trying to
[4:08] Speaker 2: get out there a little bit before you know, we're
[4:10] Speaker 2: not allowed to be out there. And we turn off
[4:15] Speaker 2: the main road onto a dirt road, and it's kind
[4:19] Speaker 2: of a longer drive to the cattle guard that we
[4:24] Speaker 2: got to go over, which is on the dyke for
[4:29] Speaker 2: the Columbia River. It's like a straight away and we're
[4:35] Speaker 2: cruising down at about like twenty miles an hour because
[4:40] Speaker 2: we kick up a lot of dust. And I'd say
[4:44] Speaker 2: that the stretch is about half a mile or three
[4:47] Speaker 2: quarter mile before you get to the end where you
[4:50] Speaker 2: enter the pasture land. And getting towards the end, me
[4:59] Speaker 2: and my part were just kind of rambling along and
[5:06] Speaker 2: about sixty feet maybe yards. I'm not really the best
[5:13] Speaker 2: with this, but there was a black individual that came
[5:22] Speaker 2: out from what I thought was a trail at the time,
[5:27] Speaker 2: and he was crossing kind of diagonally to a access
[5:32] Speaker 2: road for fields. They have, like all these cornfields because
[5:36] Speaker 2: they're trying to bring in migratory birds and feer and
[5:40] Speaker 2: whatever else. So there's all these access roads to these
[5:44] Speaker 2: adjacent fields. So he was crossing, you know, diagonally kind
[5:49] Speaker 2: of towards us and continuing on this access road. And
[5:54] Speaker 2: so when he enters our vision from behind, you know,
[5:59] Speaker 2: kind of some tall trees and BlackBerry bushes growing into
[6:04] Speaker 2: the trees. You know. We didn't say a word to
[6:09] Speaker 2: each other. We were just looking at this and trying
[6:13] Speaker 2: to understand what we were looking at. And when he
[6:20] Speaker 2: steps out into the gravel road, he looks at us,
[6:27] Speaker 2: and it almost seems like he's not expecting us to
[6:31] Speaker 2: be there. But he doesn't change his posture, he doesn't
[6:37] Speaker 2: speed up, he doesn't, you know, he looked right at
[6:44] Speaker 2: me and continued crossing the road. And my partner at
[6:51] Speaker 2: the time, he's like slowing down obviously because someone's crossing.
[6:55] Speaker 2: And I don't remember what I said, if I said
[6:59] Speaker 2: any thing, but we slowed down, and we're just kind
[7:06] Speaker 2: of in shock, I think. And so as we continue
[7:12] Speaker 2: to roll up to the access road, you know, we
[7:15] Speaker 2: stop to see if we can see him walking down further.
[7:21] Speaker 2: And that's where we saw him about fifty again, possibly
[7:27] Speaker 2: sixty feet down, and there's the BlackBerry brambles. It's a
[7:33] Speaker 2: hedge that's kind of a barrier for I believe Cornfield
[7:38] Speaker 2: that's beyond it. And he's standing there waiting for us,
[7:45] Speaker 2: almost and he's and so we look at each other
[7:48] Speaker 2: again and we just sit there for a few seconds,
[7:52] Speaker 2: and then he dips into the hedge and he's out
[7:54] Speaker 2: of you, and we never talked about it. I think
[8:01] Speaker 2: that our relationship was getting twenty twenty pretty hard. We
[8:07] Speaker 2: ended up, you know, splitting up the following February, so
[8:13] Speaker 2: I wonder if that was a part of it. Our
[8:15] Speaker 2: communication was just kind of shot to pieces already, and
[8:19] Speaker 2: so we weren't or how I feel about it is
[8:24] Speaker 2: like it took me years to digest just that small
[8:31] Speaker 2: window of time that that experience was until I was
[8:37] Speaker 2: just kind of like, yeah, that's that happened. I saw
[8:42] Speaker 2: him with someone, and so it wasn't until the end
[8:51] Speaker 2: of last year that I kind of just started thinking
[8:54] Speaker 2: about it again. So, you know, three almost four years later,
[9:02] Speaker 2: I'm just kind of like, yeah, okay, so so it's
[9:05] Speaker 2: all bigfoot. And I hadn't talked to anyone about it,
[9:11] Speaker 2: not a soul. And I was sitting at like a
[9:15] Speaker 2: local bar, and I kind of threw it out there
[9:19] Speaker 2: and yeah, people were like, okay, okay, calling sure. But
[9:30] Speaker 2: after that was when I was still having having drinks
[9:34] Speaker 2: and I after the bar closed one night, I invited
[9:40] Speaker 2: a couple my friends up. I just got a cat
[9:42] Speaker 2: and I was trying to socialize them. He was a
[9:44] Speaker 2: really cute little kitten, and they came up and we
[9:47] Speaker 2: sipped some wine, and then I was like, Okay, these
[9:49] Speaker 2: are my friends and I'm just gonna share it with them,
[9:53] Speaker 2: and I told him the story, and one friend he
[9:58] Speaker 2: didn't say anything. He didn't he wasn't critical, and he
[10:04] Speaker 2: didn't have any experience himself. He just kind of listened.
[10:08] Speaker 2: And then my other friend made me like repeat it
[10:15] Speaker 2: like three times, and each time that I kind of
[10:19] Speaker 2: ran over it again, I could tell that he was
[10:23] Speaker 2: very skeptical of it, and I was like, sure, you know,
[10:27] Speaker 2: this is I should I totally should expect this, you know.
[10:30] Speaker 2: And then on the third run through the story, He's like,
[10:35] Speaker 2: what do you mean he was waiting for you? And
[10:38] Speaker 2: I was kind of like, yeah, like what do I mean?
[10:42] Speaker 2: You know, I don't really know what I mean by that,
[10:46] Speaker 2: Like why was he why was he still standing there
[10:49] Speaker 2: waiting looking at us? And at any rate, he never
[10:56] Speaker 2: was very satisfied with anything that I had to say
[11:01] Speaker 2: to like clarify my experience or anything like that. But
[11:08] Speaker 2: a few months later he was van living and sometimes
[11:14] Speaker 2: he'd stay in a French property on the island, which
[11:17] Speaker 2: wasn't far from where we were at and I was
[11:22] Speaker 2: working nights, so I was up usually and he calls
[11:25] Speaker 2: me in the middle of the night and he sounds
[11:31] Speaker 2: really shook, and he's just saying, I am so sorry
[11:36] Speaker 2: that I made you explain yourself. I'm sorry I made
[11:41] Speaker 2: you feel like you were lying. But there's that it's
[11:50] Speaker 2: walking around my van, and I am so freaked out
[11:53] Speaker 2: right now, and I just, you know, I just was like, oh,
[11:58] Speaker 2: you know, some people they go world deep, and you know,
[12:04] Speaker 2: and you know there's some some folks just roaming a
[12:10] Speaker 2: little bit to check the property lines. They could be
[12:13] Speaker 2: curious about you being on your friend's property. You know.
[12:16] Speaker 2: I just tried to I wanted to calm them down
[12:18] Speaker 2: a little bit because I didn't I didn't want them
[12:21] Speaker 2: to be scared like that, you know, even though I
[12:25] Speaker 2: did feel this kind of like, so somebody believes me,
[12:30] Speaker 2: you know, I don't sound so crazy now to this person,
[12:35] Speaker 2: and that I found a little bit of comfort in.
[12:40] Speaker 2: But that around that time, since I was kind of
[12:44] Speaker 2: trying to, you know, wrap my head around that experience
[12:48] Speaker 2: from twenty twenty, I got on the internet and I
[12:50] Speaker 2: really didn't go very deep. I just found some Reddit
[12:54] Speaker 2: threads and I, you know, didn't see any other sightings
[13:03] Speaker 2: in that area. And uh, but I heard about like
[13:08] Speaker 2: tree knocking and the structures and stuff, and I was like, yeah,
[13:13] Speaker 2: that's you know, that doesn't really that doesn't really apply
[13:16] Speaker 2: to my experience. And I didn't really get the tree knocking.
[13:23] Speaker 2: But we fast forward to about a month ago, maybe
[13:33] Speaker 2: maybe six weeks ago, going on six weeks ago. I
[13:39] Speaker 2: had been really struggling with making in meet and I
[13:47] Speaker 2: had had a living situation completely fall to pieces, and
[13:53] Speaker 2: I was just I kind of had it, and I
[13:58] Speaker 2: was going to go for a walk and clear my
[14:02] Speaker 2: head out on some trails out outside of Scappoose. And
[14:08] Speaker 2: I go out on these trails. It's really nice, but
[14:12] Speaker 2: it's hot lately, so I could hear some water below,
[14:18] Speaker 2: and I was like, man, why don't these trails just
[14:21] Speaker 2: go down to this little creek that's a lane, you know.
[14:25] Speaker 2: I think I can make it down to this little creek,
[14:28] Speaker 2: you know. So I go off trail and I get
[14:34] Speaker 2: down to this cute little creek and it's this little
[14:38] Speaker 2: open area and I spend some time down there and
[14:42] Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, so I should probably get back out
[14:47] Speaker 2: before it starts getting dim out here, and I looked
[14:52] Speaker 2: the way I came and I was like, man, that
[14:54] Speaker 2: was kind of a little hairer than it looked. Maybe
[14:58] Speaker 2: maybe if I just follow along this creak a little bit,
[15:00] Speaker 2: there'll be another way up that won't be as as rough,
[15:05] Speaker 2: you know. So I'm kind of following a little deer
[15:08] Speaker 2: trail along this creek and it starts kind of getting
[15:15] Speaker 2: you know, full of stinging nettles, and I'm like, Okay,
[15:20] Speaker 2: this is this is kind of ridiculous, but you know,
[15:24] Speaker 2: it would be even more ridiculous to turn around, you know,
[15:27] Speaker 2: Like I just I felt like I knew like how
[15:32] Speaker 2: I'd get back to the road that my my car
[15:34] Speaker 2: was parked on. I never I never felt lost. I
[15:39] Speaker 2: never admitted to myself that I was at any rate.
[15:41] Speaker 2: And so I'm getting out there, and I'm seeing tracks
[15:45] Speaker 2: for animals in the mud and mostly deer and raccoon,
[15:50] Speaker 2: and I know that there's homesteads out there. I'm I'm
[15:55] Speaker 2: I'm half expecting to just like bust through somebody's you know,
[15:58] Speaker 2: rhododendrons into their backyard, which would have been embarrassing, but
[16:02] Speaker 2: I was, you know, I was open to that at
[16:04] Speaker 2: this moment. You know. And I kind of come to
[16:07] Speaker 2: this point where the creek really becomes thick brush and
[16:14] Speaker 2: there's some big down trees, and I just kind of
[16:18] Speaker 2: take a minute and I don't really think about what
[16:21] Speaker 2: am I going to do next? You know, which way
[16:24] Speaker 2: do I think is best to go? And I decided
[16:29] Speaker 2: that I needed to go up this ridge. I was like,
[16:35] Speaker 2: I know there's a road up there. I think it's
[16:37] Speaker 2: I think it's like forty feet up. I can see
[16:40] Speaker 2: it kind of flattens out, and I bet you that's
[16:43] Speaker 2: a road. And so I'm going up and I'm feeling
[16:48] Speaker 2: absolutely ridiculous, Like you just hear stories of hikers getting
[16:55] Speaker 2: lost and getting choppered out, and I'm just always like
[16:59] Speaker 2: thinking that these folks are idiots. And here I am, uh,
[17:05] Speaker 2: kind of getting into some really thicked stuff, but still
[17:08] Speaker 2: not admitting that I'm completely lost. I know that I
[17:12] Speaker 2: know that there's a way out and that there's property,
[17:15] Speaker 2: there's there's something I'm going to come across, you know.
[17:19] Speaker 2: So I get up to where my vision, uh my
[17:24] Speaker 2: visual perception stopped and it did level out, but it
[17:28] Speaker 2: continued up again, and so I'm just I'm so exhausted
[17:32] Speaker 2: by this point, but I gotta do it. I gotta
[17:36] Speaker 2: go up and I, you know, get up this ridge
[17:44] Speaker 2: and that's got some trees so I can kind of
[17:48] Speaker 2: take some breathers here and there. And I'm like, oh,
[17:51] Speaker 2: I can see it. I can see the road, okay,
[17:55] Speaker 2: And I getting this this like anxious push to get
[18:00] Speaker 2: to it. And I stepped through a pile of a
[18:05] Speaker 2: wood and oh, what's that. It's hornets. I stepped into
[18:14] Speaker 2: a nest of ground hornets underneath this wood pile, and
[18:19] Speaker 2: they were all over me. And I'm allergic to bees.
[18:27] Speaker 2: I never carry a shot kit, but I should, because
[18:30] Speaker 2: I mean, they told me that if I was to
[18:32] Speaker 2: get into anaphylectic shock again, it would happen faster. I
[18:36] Speaker 2: probably have about fifteen minutes if I was to ever
[18:40] Speaker 2: get stung again. That happened a long time ago when
[18:46] Speaker 2: I was a child. But when this is happening to me,
[18:49] Speaker 2: I just try to run, and I'm not very good
[18:54] Speaker 2: at running. At this point, I'm exhausted and I'm screaming,
[19:01] Speaker 2: just screaming. I can't even hear myself, but I I
[19:07] Speaker 2: know I'm screaming, and they're just staying on me. They're
[19:11] Speaker 2: in my hair. There there in my clothes. They're like
[19:15] Speaker 2: in all the tender underarm areas or just what a mess.
[19:24] Speaker 2: And I probably had gone about one hundred feet like
[19:31] Speaker 2: along the ridge and finally I just laid down and
[19:38] Speaker 2: most of them had left me alone. There was a
[19:41] Speaker 2: couple of diehards, but I had just I just was like, okay, okay, okay.
[19:45] Speaker 2: So so I'm just got to sit here and I
[19:49] Speaker 2: got to figure out if I'm if I'm gonna go
[19:54] Speaker 2: in to inflective shock here, you know, kind of waiting
[19:58] Speaker 2: to see if I have any breathing issue use and
[20:00] Speaker 2: just kind of give myself a minute, and I want
[20:04] Speaker 2: to slow my heart rate down if I can't, And
[20:10] Speaker 2: I managed to do that a little bit, and I
[20:11] Speaker 2: come to the conclusion that, you know, I'm I'm not
[20:15] Speaker 2: going into an eplectic shock. And how lucky am I
[20:21] Speaker 2: to be able to get up and step onto this
[20:25] Speaker 2: logging road that was three feet from me, Like I
[20:29] Speaker 2: just step out on this road, and I'm just I
[20:35] Speaker 2: can't believe that I just climbed up that thing. I
[20:38] Speaker 2: look down and I can't even see the creek anymore,
[20:42] Speaker 2: you know, I can't even hear the creek anymore. And
[20:47] Speaker 2: and I'm looking at this road and I decide, okay, like,
[20:52] Speaker 2: let's go to the left. I think, I think that
[20:55] Speaker 2: this is the way that I want I need to go.
[20:58] Speaker 2: I start walking, and it wasn't long before I came
[21:04] Speaker 2: to where they had bulldozed a berm, and I think
[21:09] Speaker 2: it was going to go back down into this ridge line.
[21:12] Speaker 2: So I just kind of was like, all right, I
[21:16] Speaker 2: don't think I should go this way. This isn't this
[21:18] Speaker 2: isn't the answer. So I turn around and I start
[21:22] Speaker 2: retracing my steps and I come to where I came
[21:27] Speaker 2: out and continued and there was a split, and I'd
[21:39] Speaker 2: been observing a lot of scat on the logging road,
[21:42] Speaker 2: which was pretty overgrown in some areas with BlackBerry brambles
[21:49] Speaker 2: and other small brush and I was seeing, now that
[21:55] Speaker 2: looks like black bear scat there and apps that's a
[22:01] Speaker 2: mountain lion, okay, And there's there's a lot of it.
[22:05] Speaker 2: And then there was a huge, like more than a
[22:10] Speaker 2: foot across pile, and I was like, what they were
[22:17] Speaker 2: all full of BlackBerry seeds, you know, and uh, And
[22:21] Speaker 2: I just kind of thought to myself, youse, guys are
[22:25] Speaker 2: probably pretty tired eat blackberries. Right about now, you know,
[22:31] Speaker 2: just and so I decided to I made my decision
[22:37] Speaker 2: on what road I was going to take at the split,
[22:43] Speaker 2: and about twenty feet into that, into that part of
[22:50] Speaker 2: the road, I hear behind me a click click clock
[22:58] Speaker 2: and it's like I felt like I was along. It
[23:04] Speaker 2: was like a long haired cat that was all poofed out,
[23:08] Speaker 2: like I felt.
[23:09] Speaker 3: Like like I just felt like I spiky, Like I
[23:13] Speaker 3: don't know how to describe how all these hairs that
[23:19] Speaker 3: I don't have we're standing up all around me.
[23:24] Speaker 2: And I look over my shoulder but I didn't stop,
[23:31] Speaker 2: and there was nothing, but but I could tell from
[23:35] Speaker 2: where the sound came from. It was just next to
[23:40] Speaker 2: the road where I had passed twice, and the the
[23:49] Speaker 2: logging road made up this nice little flat space, but
[23:57] Speaker 2: the ridge continued, you know, so the sound was above
[24:03] Speaker 2: my head and I just kind of it was like, oh,
[24:10] Speaker 2: because the ridge continues at a really steep incline, but
[24:16] Speaker 2: that was not a woodpecker, and I just was at
[24:24] Speaker 2: the I think that I was in already in a
[24:27] Speaker 2: moderate on its way to severe state of shock from
[24:32] Speaker 2: the hornet's nest. And this happened, and I was just
[24:37] Speaker 2: kind of like, I don't know, like what this being
[24:42] Speaker 2: is expecting for a response from me right now, but
[24:45] Speaker 2: I'm just kind of sure, you know, of course this
[24:49] Speaker 2: is going to happen now. This is when it's going
[24:51] Speaker 2: to happen, is when everything's still completely out of control.
[24:56] Speaker 2: And I, yeah, I was really lucky because the sun
[25:06] Speaker 2: was beginning to go down and I had gone in
[25:10] Speaker 2: this hike around like ten in the morning, you know,
[25:14] Speaker 2: and I'm looking at the sun figuring what time it was,
[25:18] Speaker 2: trying to figure out my position and how much time
[25:24] Speaker 2: do I have before this place gets really dark, and
[25:29] Speaker 2: just more scary because of that than it's ever been
[25:32] Speaker 2: before for me in my life. And I came across
[25:39] Speaker 2: some trees that were down on this logging road that
[25:44] Speaker 2: I guess hadn't been surveyed in quite some time, but
[25:48] Speaker 2: it was you know, trees up by their routes, you know,
[25:54] Speaker 2: stacked over each other, blocking the road which I was
[25:58] Speaker 2: coming on. That kind of seems recent. You seem like
[26:01] Speaker 2: there's still alive even, you know, like and I don't
[26:04] Speaker 2: really remember us having you know, really strong weather in
[26:09] Speaker 2: any sense in this area, so that's kind of interesting.
[26:16] Speaker 2: It took a while for me to like start feeling
[26:20] Speaker 2: like I wasn't being observed, because that's how I felt.
[26:26] Speaker 2: And that instance, it took probably like a half a
[26:29] Speaker 2: mile a mile before I was like, oh, I can
[26:33] Speaker 2: kind of just breathe a little easier. But I just was.
[26:40] Speaker 2: I just was keeping my pace and I didn't make
[26:44] Speaker 2: any wrong turns because there was a number of splits
[26:47] Speaker 2: that I came across, and I came out of these
[26:54] Speaker 2: logging roads. I mean, they're supposed to be closed. I'm
[26:57] Speaker 2: not supposed to be in there. I'm trespassing. I think
[27:01] Speaker 2: that it might have been like Warehouser Land outside and
[27:09] Speaker 2: I made it out to Dutch Canyon Road and walked out,
[27:16] Speaker 2: and that's kind of the end of where that experience is.
[27:24] Speaker 2: The thing about the click click clack, you know, was
[27:33] Speaker 2: that the three knocks were a very uh precise beat.
[27:47] Speaker 2: They didn't they they were. It was a very tight beat,
[27:53] Speaker 2: but the third was a completely different pitch, which confused
[28:00] Speaker 2: just confuses me still because I'm just like, okay, so
[28:05] Speaker 2: you know, like if you take a two by four,
[28:09] Speaker 2: like maybe one, maybe the wide side makes a different
[28:13] Speaker 2: sound than the short side, you know, because you can't
[28:16] Speaker 2: just this guy didn't didn't set something down and pick
[28:19] Speaker 2: up another one, you know, to make a different pitch
[28:25] Speaker 2: and sound than the other two. You know, that's the
[28:29] Speaker 2: part where it just really got my attention that that
[28:35] Speaker 2: something intelligent was trying to convey a point to me.
[28:42] Speaker 2: And I was pretty I don't know, I don't want
[28:54] Speaker 2: to say it just it stressed me out necessarily, but
[28:58] Speaker 2: but it did. It kind of became hyper fixated on
[29:02] Speaker 2: trying to understand this more. And I don't really have
[29:08] Speaker 2: a lot of close friends at this point in my life,
[29:11] Speaker 2: and but I'm spending time with my mom trying to
[29:17] Speaker 2: build things up from the ground up here and talking
[29:23] Speaker 2: to her about it, and she's like, you know, he
[29:26] Speaker 2: could have been trying to let you know that that
[29:29] Speaker 2: was that was the right way to go, to encourage
[29:33] Speaker 2: you to get out the right way, you know, And
[29:37] Speaker 2: I just kind of was like, Yeah, that totally could
[29:42] Speaker 2: make sense. You I just can't. I can't know in
[29:49] Speaker 2: that respect. And so since that, you know, last six
[29:57] Speaker 2: weeks or so, I've kind of really immersed myself and
[30:01] Speaker 2: people's stories, and I, you know, kind of have a
[30:10] Speaker 2: different perspective on a couple of things about living on
[30:15] Speaker 2: Sauvie island, Like I I thought that I was totally
[30:21] Speaker 2: hoohooing with a with an owl out there out past
[30:27] Speaker 2: the tree line across from our porch, and I just
[30:31] Speaker 2: felt like, you know, like a nature woman, like I
[30:37] Speaker 2: thought of, you know, I had I had an owl friend,
[30:40] Speaker 2: Like how cool is that? And I mean I saw
[30:42] Speaker 2: that owl. It came and checked me out on the
[30:46] Speaker 2: beach one night, so I was sold. But every time
[30:51] Speaker 2: and and I was kind of like, well, where is
[30:54] Speaker 2: this guy I'm trying to where in the trees is
[30:57] Speaker 2: this guy that's out here? It's always responding to me
[31:02] Speaker 2: when I'm making my crappy owl call, and I kind
[31:09] Speaker 2: of look at that very differently now. And then there
[31:12] Speaker 2: was also a night where we had the thickest fog
[31:16] Speaker 2: I've ever seen on the island, being on the river
[31:19] Speaker 2: like that, and all the leaves had fallen. This might
[31:25] Speaker 2: have been after I think it was possibly after our
[31:31] Speaker 2: seeing him crossing. And I was out sitting on the
[31:36] Speaker 2: porch having ciders and I can hear somebody walking in
[31:40] Speaker 2: the leaves out in front of where we park our cars,
[31:44] Speaker 2: and I was like, who is this person walking in
[31:50] Speaker 2: the trees over here? And I was thinking that it
[31:54] Speaker 2: was somebody that was trying to have an encampment nearby
[31:59] Speaker 2: and thought that there being a really thick fog would
[32:04] Speaker 2: be a good time to go poke around. And I
[32:07] Speaker 2: didn't like that, so I started kind of like talking.
[32:10] Speaker 2: I was like, you know, you really really not a
[32:12] Speaker 2: good idea for you to be poking around here. And
[32:16] Speaker 2: I called my partner out and I'm just like, there's
[32:21] Speaker 2: somebody walking out over here, and he's just you know,
[32:24] Speaker 2: like I said, our relationship was kind of shot to
[32:26] Speaker 2: pieces at that point. And there's a can of sider
[32:30] Speaker 2: in my hand, and he's just kind of like, okay,
[32:32] Speaker 2: all right, calling whatever, and he goes inside. He never
[32:37] Speaker 2: hears anything because he doesn't even he doesn't believe me.
[32:39] Speaker 2: He doesn't spend any time on the porch with me,
[32:42] Speaker 2: and so it's just me and this person that I
[32:48] Speaker 2: mean thirty thirty feet from me, you know. And when
[32:54] Speaker 2: I talked to it, it stopped, it was listening to me,
[32:57] Speaker 2: and I was like, hey, I just I mean, you know,
[33:00] Speaker 2: folks over here, they just are on the island itself.
[33:03] Speaker 2: They do not take kindly to folks wandering around on properties.
[33:09] Speaker 2: You're going to get hurt, You're going to get shot,
[33:11] Speaker 2: you know, like you need to think about that and
[33:15] Speaker 2: and be very very careful. You know. I wasn't like
[33:18] Speaker 2: threatening it to shoot it or anything, but I just
[33:23] Speaker 2: it needs to know that it's very dangerous to be
[33:26] Speaker 2: going around people's homes like that. It's just very dangerous.
[33:30] Speaker 2: And and it did. It just kind of started backing
[33:33] Speaker 2: up and and I think it went towards this tree
[33:36] Speaker 2: line that I would wo who at from my porch,
[33:41] Speaker 2: and I just never put all that together ever before that.
[33:48] Speaker 2: So yeah, and then there was even there was even
[33:59] Speaker 2: when we go camping, we'd always camp out on Mount
[34:03] Speaker 2: Hood and we'd go out to twenty four to forty
[34:11] Speaker 2: six out past Ripplebrook Ranger Station, and we had this
[34:15] Speaker 2: spot called Big Fan. And this was way back in
[34:19] Speaker 2: the day when there wasn't a lot of people out
[34:21] Speaker 2: there ever, and the ranger would come and try to
[34:25] Speaker 2: see firewood and warning, did not have your fire too big.
[34:29] Speaker 2: And some mold big trees out there. And it's right
[34:33] Speaker 2: on the Collar Wash where it splits off into the
[34:35] Speaker 2: Clackamas River. It's a really beautiful site and it's big
[34:39] Speaker 2: enough to hold a couple of families. So one year
[34:42] Speaker 2: we went with another family, and that night, my friend's
[34:50] Speaker 2: dad he's like, so, you know about the mountain men, right,
[34:56] Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, okay, you know this is some
[35:01] Speaker 2: campfire stuff. Sure, I just think it was twelve at
[35:05] Speaker 2: the time. And he's like, yeah, there's mountain men out here.
[35:09] Speaker 2: And then my dad's standing there, and I think he's
[35:12] Speaker 2: trying to mitigate where he thinks this is going, because
[35:15] Speaker 2: we never talked about Bigfoot, you know, more than Harry
[35:19] Speaker 2: and the Henderson's, you know. And my dad's like, there
[35:24] Speaker 2: are some men that come back from Vietnam that did
[35:29] Speaker 2: not adjust to society and they prefer to stay out
[35:32] Speaker 2: in the woods. And my friend's dad, I think, takes
[35:37] Speaker 2: his cue and kind of lets up a little bit
[35:42] Speaker 2: and he's like, no, they come into your camp at
[35:46] Speaker 2: night when everyone's asleep, and they just take some beer
[35:49] Speaker 2: and some hot dogs, just enough for a snack, you know.
[35:54] Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, okay, sure, So I stayed up.
[36:02] Speaker 2: I stayed up, and I waited to mature. Everybody was
[36:05] Speaker 2: asleep before I let myself fall asleep, and I got
[36:11] Speaker 2: up first as well, and I went and I looked
[36:15] Speaker 2: in that cooler, and sure, sure enough, there was less
[36:17] Speaker 2: stuff in there, and I was like, man, I didn't
[36:19] Speaker 2: hear anything come into camp, you know. So it just
[36:21] Speaker 2: really fascinated me that there's people people ing around me
[36:28] Speaker 2: and I can't hear, see, or be aware of them
[36:32] Speaker 2: at all. It just it just totally blew my mind.
[36:35] Speaker 2: What I didn't know was that was probably one of
[36:38] Speaker 2: the last times that our family went camping out there together.
[36:42] Speaker 2: My dad's mental health kind of started to deteriorate, and
[36:47] Speaker 2: you know, having teenagers just was taking wearing our parents out,
[36:52] Speaker 2: and we just never did it again. But I remember
[36:54] Speaker 2: we had gone back to that spot yearly now for
[36:58] Speaker 2: I sent up my tent, I share it with my
[37:01] Speaker 2: sister and brother of geting like, oh, I'm just kind
[37:04] Speaker 2: of lay here for a minute, and I like laid
[37:08] Speaker 2: there and I could just hear the trees, and I
[37:11] Speaker 2: was like, man, it just like it just feels like
[37:15] Speaker 2: they remember me, like like like we're familiar to the trees,
[37:22] Speaker 2: you know. And I have like these these thoughts about
[37:26] Speaker 2: like you know, when people pass away, you know, they
[37:31] Speaker 2: kind of after a certain point, they they kind of
[37:35] Speaker 2: become more elemental and they come into the forests and
[37:40] Speaker 2: some of it's dark and some of it's not, you know,
[37:43] Speaker 2: but it's just it's just so beautiful, big and sacred,
[37:47] Speaker 2: you know. And and I just always thought that I'm
[37:53] Speaker 2: a really weird kid, like to you know, like I
[37:58] Speaker 2: didn't I wouldn't even share those thoughts of anyone, you know,
[38:01] Speaker 2: because I was that weird kid, and I wasn't trying
[38:05] Speaker 2: to perpetuate it more than it already was that way,
[38:08] Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to be normal so bad, and yeah,
[38:16] Speaker 2: like that was that's basically all the the past. And
[38:23] Speaker 2: now we're living in this remote area, an unincorporated land
[38:29] Speaker 2: at a butt blm land with transmission lines, wooden transmission lines.
[38:35] Speaker 2: There's a reservoir nearby with a preserve forests around it,
[38:44] Speaker 2: and behind our property the forest goes all the way
[38:48] Speaker 2: to the coast for forty miles. And I don't want
[38:53] Speaker 2: to go for walks by myself. Me and my mom
[38:57] Speaker 2: will walk when she's up for it, and we'll just
[38:59] Speaker 2: pay a little walk down logging road down our neighbor's property.
[39:04] Speaker 2: And and so you know, last week we uh take
[39:11] Speaker 2: the dog, and even my cat went with me that time. Billy,
[39:16] Speaker 2: he's a year and a half and he wanted to
[39:19] Speaker 2: follow us and you know, I totally am into that
[39:23] Speaker 2: that he was freaked out about the forest. You know,
[39:26] Speaker 2: it's pretty overwhelming for a little guy. And we're only
[39:29] Speaker 2: like one hundred and fifty feet from the house, and
[39:37] Speaker 2: me and my mom got the dog and she's a
[39:40] Speaker 2: little further up, and I'm trying to coax Billy because
[39:44] Speaker 2: he's timid. When I look back at Billy, he was frozen.
[39:49] Speaker 2: He was locking eyes with something, and my Mom's continuing
[39:54] Speaker 2: me to walk, and so I'm like, oh, I better
[39:57] Speaker 2: go pick him up, you know, and go get him.
[39:59] Speaker 2: And I walk up and as soon as I come
[40:01] Speaker 2: close enough to him, he's like, yep, let's get out
[40:03] Speaker 2: of here. He starts logging back and I go to
[40:08] Speaker 2: pick him up, and I can hear a movement on
[40:10] Speaker 2: either side of this logging road. And I finished picking
[40:18] Speaker 2: up Billy and he's all about being held at this moment,
[40:22] Speaker 2: and I can hear the tree ox and I caught three.
[40:28] Speaker 2: But I went hey, Mom, and she stopped and waited
[40:33] Speaker 2: for me to catch up with her with the leaving
[40:36] Speaker 2: my arms. You know, let's let me carry him a
[40:38] Speaker 2: whole fifty feet. And I was like, ah, I thought,
[40:43] Speaker 2: I here's some treeknocks there. You know, I thought I
[40:47] Speaker 2: heard three, you know, what did you hear? She was like,
[40:49] Speaker 2: I was, I heard four or five? And they were gentle.
[40:51] Speaker 2: They weren't. They weren't Louie the Slugger tree Knox and whatever.
[40:58] Speaker 2: We continue and I want to check out this kind
[41:01] Speaker 2: of overgrown road that was pretty near where our stopping
[41:05] Speaker 2: point was last time. And I was thinking about leaving
[41:09] Speaker 2: a special rock or something, but I didn't bring one
[41:11] Speaker 2: with me. So we go down this little road and
[41:15] Speaker 2: I thought I saw visual movement, but whatever, possibly a deer.
[41:22] Speaker 2: We stand there a little bit and then there's, you know,
[41:25] Speaker 2: a rapid like five knock and we're just like, okay,
[41:30] Speaker 2: you know, let's go ahead and hit back. And then
[41:33] Speaker 2: there was a ground squirrel that started like calling, super agro,
[41:39] Speaker 2: like yoked out squirrel out there, just calling on. When
[41:45] Speaker 2: we started heading out now, it was just kind of huts.
[41:48] Speaker 2: That's pretty interesting. So yeah, growing up out here and
[41:56] Speaker 2: living out here is really great. But all of a sudden,
[42:02] Speaker 2: very recently, there's just like this whole new kind of
[42:08] Speaker 2: shift in my perception for it, and it's been pretty
[42:14] Speaker 2: challenging to adjust to it because I need to just
[42:19] Speaker 2: go to work, you know, and it's kind of you know,
[42:24] Speaker 2: you have like this mind blowing experience and then you
[42:27] Speaker 2: just got to go do some really mundane stuff. How
[42:31] Speaker 2: could you do anything else when this is you know,
[42:37] Speaker 2: has like so much meaning behind it, that means so
[42:41] Speaker 2: much other stuff is real and true, and it's just
[42:48] Speaker 2: kind of shatters your you know, agreed upon understanding of
[42:54] Speaker 2: your reality. And I just you know, there's a part
[42:57] Speaker 2: of me that was just like man, that's in a
[42:59] Speaker 2: way it can be really scary, And this is the
[43:01] Speaker 2: kind of stuff in the twentieth century that you know,
[43:04] Speaker 2: people would try to put these folks into a cage
[43:07] Speaker 2: so you can observe them and feel safe, and you
[43:10] Speaker 2: know they need to be protected. They don't. They're in
[43:13] Speaker 2: a lot of danger. All these fires and people literally
[43:20] Speaker 2: trying to make history and some gruesome way. It's pretty scary.
[43:25] Speaker 2: So I just kind of worry about them now.
[43:30] Speaker 1: So Colin, you definitely have been through a lot. Thank
[43:34] Speaker 1: you for sharing that entire account. Do you mind if
[43:40] Speaker 1: I ask you a few questions about different things?
[43:44] Speaker 2: Sure? Sure.
[43:46] Speaker 1: First off, I want to say I'm glad you're okay.
[43:49] Speaker 1: In general, I'm very glad you're okay, keep being okay,
[43:56] Speaker 1: all right. Yeah, So it feels like there was a
[44:04] Speaker 1: point where you'd said that you may have had a
[44:07] Speaker 1: visual of something, But the way you were talking about
[44:11] Speaker 1: it feels like you may have talked yourself out of it.
[44:15] Speaker 1: Maybe like when our logical I say, like when our
[44:18] Speaker 1: logical side of our brain kind of talks too loud
[44:22] Speaker 1: and it over talks our big foot side. Do you
[44:26] Speaker 1: remember anything about what you think you may have seen
[44:30] Speaker 1: or any details about that that time?
[44:34] Speaker 2: So you're talking about walking along with my mom? Yeah,
[44:37] Speaker 2: a week ago. So yeah, So I had looked down
[44:50] Speaker 2: this little road and it's completely covered in green, you know,
[44:54] Speaker 2: it's but it's really wide, and I figure there might
[44:58] Speaker 2: have been a road to an old homestead. It's very
[45:05] Speaker 2: level and it and it looks like the creek. It
[45:09] Speaker 2: even has like a covert, uh so that the road
[45:17] Speaker 2: continues over the creek. And I just kind of was
[45:21] Speaker 2: curious if the road turned a little bit. So I
[45:27] Speaker 2: had stepped into the road so that all of that
[45:32] Speaker 2: vision vision was opened to me, and as I looked down,
[45:38] Speaker 2: it was like a a blur of and it was
[45:47] Speaker 2: like maybe a little black, maybe a little can and
[45:51] Speaker 2: it was just to the right, which there was no
[45:56] Speaker 2: rushing through the brush. The I mean the forest floor
[46:03] Speaker 2: over here isn't the thickest brush in all places. Sometimes
[46:09] Speaker 2: you can see pretty far as far as like you know,
[46:12] Speaker 2: forest floors are concerned, but in this area there there
[46:19] Speaker 2: was it was pretty thick, you know, and there's the
[46:22] Speaker 2: creek right there, so you really just couldn't vanish without
[46:29] Speaker 2: making a sound. And even like when you when you
[46:35] Speaker 2: alerted her, because we come across to your quite often
[46:38] Speaker 2: and they freeze and they're perfectly fine lockinize with you,
[46:45] Speaker 2: but they'd rather just kind of stay still as long
[46:48] Speaker 2: as you don't move towards them. And they'll do that
[46:50] Speaker 2: until you move out of out of their visual spectrum.
[46:55] Speaker 2: Not that they'll move off or you'll get them ooped,
[47:00] Speaker 2: and then they'll they'll make noise, they'll do their little
[47:04] Speaker 2: prance hop away and that is a very particular sound.
[47:11] Speaker 2: And there was none of that, absolutely none of that.
[47:14] Speaker 2: But the sounds that we heard, the five tree knocks,
[47:20] Speaker 2: which were softer, so they weren't alerting everyone within a
[47:27] Speaker 2: mile and a half. They were alerting us or someone
[47:33] Speaker 2: closer to them perhaps, And it wasn't necessarily threatening, but
[47:40] Speaker 2: it was. But it was definitely like a very thorough acknowledgment,
[47:45] Speaker 2: and it would have been in the general direction that
[47:48] Speaker 2: this movement that I saw was going in. You know,
[47:55] Speaker 2: when we came back down the road on the way home,
[47:57] Speaker 2: I was like, you know, so, I know I heard
[48:00] Speaker 2: moving on both sides, but I don't know what Billy
[48:04] Speaker 2: was looking at. And the five tree knocks came from
[48:10] Speaker 2: that side of the road, and I was like, I
[48:12] Speaker 2: want to make extra pay extra attention because they had
[48:16] Speaker 2: they've done some logging nearby, and they got a bulldozers
[48:23] Speaker 2: busting up the ground on the road, so it's much
[48:29] Speaker 2: easier to leave an imprint. So I was trying to
[48:35] Speaker 2: pay a little extra attention. We didn't see anything, but
[48:38] Speaker 2: certainly our Calhoun Ricky was certainly very interested in some
[48:47] Speaker 2: areas with alerting in other areas. And you know, and
[48:55] Speaker 2: later that night, you know, my mom's husband went to
[48:59] Speaker 2: bed and so I was like, you know, so about that,
[49:07] Speaker 2: what do you think it was? And she's like, I
[49:09] Speaker 2: don't know what that was? All right, Well was it
[49:13] Speaker 2: a woodpecker? She goes, no, No, that was not a bird. Yeah,
[49:18] Speaker 2: that's as far as it went. But I definitely feel
[49:23] Speaker 2: like this would be ideal area for an animal to live,
[49:32] Speaker 2: except that we're closer and closer to more developed areas.
[49:38] Speaker 2: But like I said, from here west, it's just it's
[49:44] Speaker 2: just all forest.
[49:46] Speaker 1: So that's wild. And that was just a week ago,
[49:49] Speaker 1: and yeah, that's that's that's very interesting. Definitely keep me
[49:58] Speaker 1: in the loop about that, because I mean, that could ease.
[50:01] Speaker 1: There could be other stuff that happened out there easily.
[50:05] Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like our I asked my mom
[50:09] Speaker 2: about our property that we're on, and it's like how
[50:13] Speaker 2: long has this been a home? You know? And the
[50:19] Speaker 2: property goes back in record to like nineteen oh five,
[50:27] Speaker 2: so this wasn't recently settled, you know, which I would think,
[50:32] Speaker 2: would you know, you would I would. I would expect
[50:36] Speaker 2: more disruption if that were the case. If you know,
[50:40] Speaker 2: if you had recently encroached on areas that may have
[50:45] Speaker 2: been considered somebody else's that they would be more apt
[50:49] Speaker 2: to being a little bit more upset about being disturbed.
[50:57] Speaker 2: But from what I understand, you know, like these these
[51:03] Speaker 2: these folks out here, you know, I think that they're
[51:08] Speaker 2: when they showed up, so were these homes were here,
[51:12] Speaker 2: so that's kind of like this understanding that they both exist.
[51:18] Speaker 2: And I'm just, yeah, I'm terribly interested to you know,
[51:25] Speaker 2: continued to go for walks, and but I don't want
[51:29] Speaker 2: to do it alone. And uh, and I just I do.
[51:34] Speaker 2: I just want to be really thoughtful because like I
[51:40] Speaker 2: said before, I just you know, I want them to
[51:44] Speaker 2: stay mysterious in a way. I don't I think that
[51:48] Speaker 2: it's necessary for you know, them to be completely understood
[51:53] Speaker 2: inside and out and every little feature of them need
[51:56] Speaker 2: to be documented. And you know, I don't think that
[52:00] Speaker 2: that's necessary at all. And and I just I'm just
[52:06] Speaker 2: so worried about them in that way.
[52:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's very interesting viewpoint. And I can I
[52:17] Speaker 1: can definitely see what you're saying for sure. Do you
[52:21] Speaker 1: have any close neighbors to that property?
[52:27] Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, we do. There's we're at the end of
[52:32] Speaker 2: a dirt road that's off of another dirt road, off
[52:35] Speaker 2: another dirt road, and there's folks right across from the
[52:39] Speaker 2: end of our road from us. And then there's another
[52:41] Speaker 2: stead on our road that I would say is like
[52:47] Speaker 2: two hundred feet or so from us, like an acre away,
[52:55] Speaker 2: and they're the ones that have just recently cleared some
[52:58] Speaker 2: of this area near where we live, and I think
[53:02] Speaker 2: there's even another further neighbor and their family has large
[53:08] Speaker 2: areas of land divided between their family members and they
[53:13] Speaker 2: log from time to time too, but I haven't really
[53:18] Speaker 2: gotten to know any of them. What's interesting is that,
[53:22] Speaker 2: like when we get down to the main turn off
[53:26] Speaker 2: to get onto uh, the main paved road on that
[53:32] Speaker 2: corner is a homestead and they have a wood carving
[53:40] Speaker 2: of they put right there, you know. So it's it's
[53:45] Speaker 2: pretty curious. I wouldn't know how to from from what
[53:51] Speaker 2: I understand, you know, we look like Portlanders basically, so
[53:59] Speaker 2: even though her Husban then grew up around this area,
[54:03] Speaker 2: you know, me showing up and my mom, you know,
[54:06] Speaker 2: we're you know, these invaders from an urban area that
[54:13] Speaker 2: isn't really well looked upon by a large amount of
[54:18] Speaker 2: people over a wide area. And so I wouldn't even
[54:24] Speaker 2: know how I would begin to broach even a small
[54:29] Speaker 2: talk conversation. I think that it would take a lot
[54:32] Speaker 2: to gain anyone's confidence at all in this area too.
[54:39] Speaker 2: That's we're just kind of outsiders. But but I love
[54:43] Speaker 2: I would love.
[54:44] Speaker 1: To though, Yeah, I mean, it's it's one of those
[54:49] Speaker 1: things where it's easier said than done, right, because it's
[54:52] Speaker 1: it's it feels like if I was in that situation,
[54:56] Speaker 1: I would definitely want to first know my neighbors, and
[55:00] Speaker 1: especially if I was looking in a big foot in
[55:02] Speaker 1: that situation and one of them has a big like
[55:05] Speaker 1: carved bigfoot, I mean, it's like, come on, you got
[55:09] Speaker 1: to right again, it's easier said than done. So I
[55:12] Speaker 1: don't know, if I've.
[55:14] Speaker 2: Been around the situation, I think that from time to
[55:20] Speaker 2: time there's like some sort of a pot luck, maybe
[55:25] Speaker 2: just because there's some ranch land, and you know, some
[55:28] Speaker 2: of these families go back, you know, I think you
[55:32] Speaker 2: know too, after the Indian Wars, a lot of the
[55:38] Speaker 2: folks settled out here. The soldiers they got some nice
[55:44] Speaker 2: picks of land out here before it became settled, and
[55:47] Speaker 2: so a lot of these families have been here ever since.
[55:54] Speaker 2: And so I think that it would be really cool
[55:58] Speaker 2: if I I would definitely go and try to socialize
[56:03] Speaker 2: and see if I could mention or admire the big
[56:08] Speaker 2: folk sculpture and see where it led.
[56:13] Speaker 1: So I got the idea, Okay, here's what you're gonna do.
[56:16] Speaker 1: So you the next time they have the pot look
[56:20] Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, you make cookies that are in the
[56:26] Speaker 1: shape of a bigfoot.
[56:29] Speaker 2: I can do it.
[56:30] Speaker 1: It's like a conversational piece type deale. I don't know
[56:35] Speaker 1: I could do that. There he is, I hear him.
[56:39] Speaker 2: Yeah he's going wild. Yeah he's a knucklehead.
[56:49] Speaker 1: What I was going to ask is going back to
[56:53] Speaker 1: when you lived on the island and you had the sighting,
[56:57] Speaker 1: was it close enough that you could or do you
[57:01] Speaker 1: remember any details about the face or just details about
[57:07] Speaker 1: it in general that you know made you kind of
[57:09] Speaker 1: think like, oh, that that's weird or that is like
[57:13] Speaker 1: how they always say it is or it's not. It's different.
[57:20] Speaker 2: No clothes. Obviously I made eye contact with it, so
[57:31] Speaker 2: I but it was all black and I was I
[57:34] Speaker 2: would say it was six and a half or seven feet.
[57:40] Speaker 2: It didn't I didn't get a really good look at
[57:43] Speaker 2: the hands or I didn't even look at it its feet.
[57:47] Speaker 2: And even though I was looking right at its face,
[57:49] Speaker 2: and I mean I'm coming towards it, even though we
[57:52] Speaker 2: slowed down quite a bit, it was the only thing
[57:56] Speaker 2: I was seeing, and I still didn't get like any
[57:59] Speaker 2: more death nis. It was just kind of all in
[58:02] Speaker 2: this mess of black and I would. I felt like
[58:08] Speaker 2: the shape of its head wasn't too cone like. I
[58:11] Speaker 2: felt like it was more rounded, but perhaps was a
[58:16] Speaker 2: bit higher, you know. I think that it almost looked normal,
[58:20] Speaker 2: because some people wear their hair higher up on their
[58:23] Speaker 2: head like that, you know, So it didn't even that
[58:26] Speaker 2: didn't even visually seem like too wildly unhuman, I mean,
[58:34] Speaker 2: unhuman to me at all. And I just kind of
[58:39] Speaker 2: gone back over it and over it, and I think
[58:45] Speaker 2: it had to have heard us coming down this gravel road.
[58:51] Speaker 2: Why would it do that? You know? And again you're
[58:55] Speaker 2: talking to my mom and she's like, you know, it
[58:57] Speaker 2: could have been a young adult and it had been,
[59:02] Speaker 2: you know, corralled by its parents tell him that, no,
[59:06] Speaker 2: you can't do that, No, you can't do that. And
[59:08] Speaker 2: it's like finding its own range out there, you know,
[59:12] Speaker 2: trying to do its own thing. Not sure why, you know,
[59:16] Speaker 2: the previous generations were so paranoid about people, you know,
[59:23] Speaker 2: and because it didn't seem afraid, it's almost like it
[59:32] Speaker 2: wanted to be seen, which I just boggles my mind.
[59:37] Speaker 2: I don't get it at all. And so I mean
[59:44] Speaker 2: I don't really speak with my partner of that time
[59:48] Speaker 2: very much. He started a new relationship, and I hope
[59:53] Speaker 2: he has success, and so I just try to leave
[59:56] Speaker 2: him alone. But I was like, if I'm gonna go
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: as far as to talk to you, Jeremiah, you know,
[1:00:03] Speaker 2: I'll go ahead and reach out. So I so I did,
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: and we were texting and I was like, hey, I
[1:00:11] Speaker 2: was gonna ask you a question, and he's like, go ahead,
[1:00:14] Speaker 2: and I'm like, do you remember seeing Bigfoot? And he's like,
[1:00:19] Speaker 2: uh no, I mean was it up north? Was it south?
[1:00:22] Speaker 2: Because we were outdoors a lot and he's from the
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: Olympic Peninsula and uh And I just gave him the
[1:00:33] Speaker 2: the details of it, the synapse, and he goes, I
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: do remember that, and I was just like, okay, you know,
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: like it doesn't really do anything, it really doesn't change anything.
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: But it again just kind of like when my friend,
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: you know, apologized for being so intense about my story
[1:00:59] Speaker 2: and and you know, kind of being like I apologize
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: about that, it just kind of gave me this like
[1:01:04] Speaker 2: comfort in being believed.
[1:01:09] Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, I mean, it's always good to have
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: someone else on your side when you've experienced something that's
[1:01:20] Speaker 1: out of the ordinary like that. I can definitely get
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: that who broke eye contact first, when you had eye contact.
[1:01:27] Speaker 2: With it, I do believe that it did, or it
[1:01:34] Speaker 2: might have just gone out of view. But when we
[1:01:41] Speaker 2: pulled up and came to a stop, when we could
[1:01:44] Speaker 2: see him again in this like hedgerow, he had stopped
[1:01:54] Speaker 2: and was waiting and looked and at me. But I mean,
[1:02:02] Speaker 2: my partner was right in line with me, so I
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: would imagine that he may have felt similar that he
[1:02:10] Speaker 2: also was talking eyes with this you know person, basically
[1:02:15] Speaker 2: is how it feels, you know. And there was like
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: this just moment that lasted probably four seconds or so,
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: but felt like an extended amount of time before it
[1:02:30] Speaker 2: ducked into the hedges. And then, you know, after my
[1:02:35] Speaker 2: friend was being critical and saying, well, what do you
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: mean by it was waiting for you? He kept asking
[1:02:42] Speaker 2: that over and I was like, I kind of felt silly,
[1:02:45] Speaker 2: like it was waiting for me, Like what do I mean? Well,
[1:02:48] Speaker 2: what I think was actually happiness. It was trying to
[1:02:50] Speaker 2: make sure we weren't going to turn down that access road,
[1:02:53] Speaker 2: that we weren't going to come and try to get
[1:02:54] Speaker 2: a better look at it. That's what I think makes sense,
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: you know. And after it realized that we weren't turning
[1:03:01] Speaker 2: down that road. I mean, there's no there's no barrier
[1:03:05] Speaker 2: from us to do it, but but I would have
[1:03:07] Speaker 2: felt like it was disrespectful. That's an access road for
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: some someone's field. You know, I'm not trying to go
[1:03:14] Speaker 2: after onto somebody's private property to that extent, but I
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: know some people would. So it was, you know, worried
[1:03:24] Speaker 2: about it a little bit.
[1:03:27] Speaker 1: What was the main thing that you noticed that made
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: you give it a kind of a classification of something
[1:03:34] Speaker 1: that was human?
[1:03:39] Speaker 2: When I looked at this, I never thought about an ape.
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: I never thought about a monkey. I never thought of
[1:03:49] Speaker 2: any sort of primate that I've known of like that
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: didn't it didn't enter my mind in one in any way.
[1:03:57] Speaker 2: Like it looked like a hairy person. And I tried
[1:04:01] Speaker 2: really hard to like crank it, and it took me
[1:04:05] Speaker 2: years of digesting it myself quietly before I could just
[1:04:13] Speaker 2: say it out loud that that was a hairy person.
[1:04:17] Speaker 2: Was that was a bigfoot that was maybe not as
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: large as other bigfoot, but I mean, I actually recently
[1:04:26] Speaker 2: they got you pick farms out there. Me and my
[1:04:29] Speaker 2: sister took her son out and went very picking, and
[1:04:34] Speaker 2: I was like Hey, what do you think about throwing
[1:04:36] Speaker 2: the kid out in the water. She had no idea
[1:04:38] Speaker 2: that there were beaches out there, so we did. We
[1:04:42] Speaker 2: went and took the kid out to the beach, threw
[1:04:44] Speaker 2: him in the water, And before we left, I took
[1:04:47] Speaker 2: her down that very road. I wanted to show her
[1:04:49] Speaker 2: the savannah, and as we were coming down, I'm trying
[1:04:53] Speaker 2: to figure out where exactly it was, and it didn't
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: come out of a foot trail, was an access road
[1:05:01] Speaker 2: also that it had come out of. So it was
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: walking down these access roads and there's wetlands in between
[1:05:09] Speaker 2: these areas too. There's fields wetlands, and they all have
[1:05:12] Speaker 2: like little.
[1:05:13] Speaker 4: Access footpaths or you can access some of the Some
[1:05:17] Speaker 4: are smaller for you know, four by fours, and then
[1:05:22] Speaker 4: you have like straight up, you know.
[1:05:24] Speaker 2: Stuff for trucks. So these are straight up access roads
[1:05:31] Speaker 2: and they don't line up completely. And so it's the
[1:05:36] Speaker 2: last set of access roads before you really get to
[1:05:41] Speaker 2: the end before the cattle guard. And I finally riding
[1:05:47] Speaker 2: with my sister, I'm explaining to her, I'm letting her
[1:05:49] Speaker 2: know I had this experience. As we're rolling down this
[1:05:53] Speaker 2: road and I'm looking at I'm looking at these BlackBerry brambles, which,
[1:05:59] Speaker 2: without trees to climb, grow into BlackBerry brambles, you know,
[1:06:08] Speaker 2: they'll get like six or seven feet tall or so.
[1:06:12] Speaker 2: But these were growing into trees planted as a barrier
[1:06:18] Speaker 2: for their fields. So the tops of these BlackBerry brambles
[1:06:25] Speaker 2: were somewhere around you know, twelve feet or more. So
[1:06:30] Speaker 2: I just wonder about, like how when you see something
[1:06:34] Speaker 2: in your brain really just tries to cram it into
[1:06:37] Speaker 2: the parameters that it's used to. So you know, maybe
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: it was considerably taller than six and a half seven
[1:06:45] Speaker 2: feet like I originally thought when I had had the experience,
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: and it could have been much taller because you know,
[1:06:56] Speaker 2: there's there's no like, uh street sign, poll at the
[1:07:03] Speaker 2: at the corner there, or a mailbox. There's it's all
[1:07:07] Speaker 2: just you know, wildland tall trees and monster BlackBerry bushes.
[1:07:12] Speaker 2: So there's a question about that in my mind.
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, would you ever want to see you one again?
[1:07:26] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[1:07:29] Speaker 2: It's kind of interesting because you know, I loved Jane Goodall,
[1:07:35] Speaker 2: and everybody you know wants to feel special, right. I
[1:07:39] Speaker 2: don't necessarily feel special, Okay, I feel like people This
[1:07:43] Speaker 2: isn't as a unique experience as we're sold it is okay,
[1:07:49] Speaker 2: but uh, you know, there's like this fantasy of like, oh,
[1:07:55] Speaker 2: you know, we could be friends and I can help
[1:07:57] Speaker 2: protect them or something, you know. But I think that
[1:08:04] Speaker 2: the more I see them means that the more that
[1:08:09] Speaker 2: they are exposed to other people, which would endanger them.
[1:08:14] Speaker 2: So in a way, no, I don't know, you know,
[1:08:17] Speaker 2: you know, in my heart, you know, I have like
[1:08:20] Speaker 2: this huge love for like this region. It's not just
[1:08:26] Speaker 2: the state of Oregon specific northwest, you know, I love
[1:08:31] Speaker 2: this landscape in such an intimate way that like growing
[1:08:37] Speaker 2: up here, like you know, two twenty four got burnt
[1:08:40] Speaker 2: to a crisp you know, and when I drove out
[1:08:43] Speaker 2: that way after they opened the road up, I cannot
[1:08:46] Speaker 2: tell you how much it tore me to pieces. And
[1:08:49] Speaker 2: then I couldn't even get to the camp spot to
[1:08:51] Speaker 2: see if those trees that I felt recognized me where
[1:08:54] Speaker 2: they're not. I think they did survive, by the way,
[1:08:56] Speaker 2: but I haven't seen them myself since. But this is
[1:09:03] Speaker 2: like this really deep reverence and in this this feeling
[1:09:09] Speaker 2: of responsibility and this drive to do what I can
[1:09:12] Speaker 2: to preserve it. And and I think to do that,
[1:09:19] Speaker 2: you've got to let these areas be wild and and
[1:09:24] Speaker 2: protect them. And so you know, I think that my
[1:09:30] Speaker 2: love for them overpowers this, you know, part of me
[1:09:36] Speaker 2: to have this validate, validating experience. I'd much rather than
[1:09:43] Speaker 2: be safe and if I had to not ever see
[1:09:45] Speaker 2: one again, to ensure their safety, that's what I want.
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: I think that's a beautiful way to put it. And yeah,
[1:09:53] Speaker 1: I just let's say thank you again for spending some
[1:09:57] Speaker 1: time this afternoon sharing what you've experienced over the years, Colleen.
[1:10:01] Speaker 1: Has been a very interesting conversation and I appreciate you
[1:10:06] Speaker 1: coming on today.
[1:10:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you making time for me too. Thank
[1:10:10] Speaker 2: you so much.
[1:10:12] Speaker 1: Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something
[1:10:14] Speaker 1: directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're
[1:10:17] Speaker 1: in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've
[1:10:21] Speaker 1: seen something that no one can explain, or if you're
[1:10:24] Speaker 1: a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told
[1:10:27] Speaker 1: to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something
[1:10:31] Speaker 1: strange down on the ground, or if you're with the
[1:10:34] Speaker 1: FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled
[1:10:38] Speaker 1: upon something you're not allowed to talk about, and if
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[1:10:44] Speaker 1: heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If
[1:10:48] Speaker 1: you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field
[1:10:52] Speaker 1: or trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen
[1:10:56] Speaker 1: that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist,
[1:10:59] Speaker 1: a wild life specialist, or a field researcher under contract
[1:11:03] Speaker 1: who has found evidence you're not allowed to report. If
[1:11:06] Speaker 1: you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual
[1:11:09] Speaker 1: retreat and you saw something that shook your faith, or
[1:11:13] Speaker 1: if you work in the shadows CIA, NSA or anything
[1:11:16] Speaker 1: with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't, then
[1:11:21] Speaker 1: I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.
[1:11:26] Speaker 1: You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.
[1:11:30] Speaker 1: The world needs to hear what you've been forced to
[1:11:32] Speaker 1: carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,
[1:11:38] Speaker 1: We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank
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