# Inside Area X, Oklahoma: What’s Happened in the Last 5 Years

An episode of [Bigfoot Society](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1453429066), 3 Mar 2026, 1 h 02 min.

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In this episode, we explore the recent experiences of Rick, a board member of the North American Wood Ape Conservancy, who has spent the last five years conducting boots-on-the-ground research in a remote region of southeast Oklahoma known as Area X. Making repeated trips from Arizona into the rugged Ouachita Mountains, Rick shares what has unfolded during ongoing field operations in one of the most closely studied Bigfoot research areas in the country. He describes active nights in camp marked by rocks landing at their feet, trees being pushed over shortly after arrival, and loud strikes against cabin walls in the early morning hours. Rick recounts a daylight sighting witnessed by a teammate of a reddish-brown upright figure moving through sunlight, as well as thermal imagery captured during a tense bluff charge near camp. He details the discovery of extensive trackways circling structures and skirting camp perimeters, small human-like footprints found in the dirt, gray figures moving through thick brush, and preserved hair samples awaiting future analysis. Rick also discusses the introduction of an all-female field team designed to observe activity patterns from a different angle, along with reports of guttural “faux speech” vocalizations heard before dawn near the cabins. Drawing from five years of continued investigation, he offers insight into how the activity in Area X has evolved and what long-term research in a single location reveals about these elusive beings. Join us as we step into the woods of southeast Oklahoma and examine what has been unfolding in Area X over the last five years. Resources for Listeners: • North American Wood Ape Conservancy – https://woodape.org 🗣️ Share Your Story Had a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience? Send it to bigfootsociety@gmail.com – your story might be featured on the show! 🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube 🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube 💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts! 📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed) 👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share 🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist 🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters 💥 Support the Show & Get Perks ✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member ✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here 📱 Let’s Connect • Instagram: @bigfootsociety • Twitter: @bigfoot_society • TikTok: @bigfoot.society 🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links) These help support the show at no extra cost to you: • Beam (Better Sleep): Try Beam • Wildgrain (Better Bread): Join Here • Seed (Probiotics): Get Seed • Medi-Share (Healthcare): Learn More • LMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNT • Organic and non-GMO groceries delivered for less http://thrv.me/uarEhS 🎙️ Podcasting Tools: • Repurpose.io: Try It • Descript: Sign Up • Streamyard: Start Recording • Riverside.fm: Try Riverside 🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon ☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here 🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy 📬 Mailing Address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
[0:03] Speaker 1: this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
[0:05] Speaker 1: you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
[0:08] Speaker 1: something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
[0:12] Speaker 1: quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
[0:16] Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
[0:20] Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
[0:24] Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
[0:27] Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
[0:30] Speaker 1: So stay with us. I've got Rick with me. Rick
[0:33] Speaker 1: is on the board of directors for the Rick is
[0:36] Speaker 1: on the board of directors for the NAWAC for about
[0:41] Speaker 1: two years, and of course we're talking about the organization
[0:45] Speaker 1: based down there in southeast Oklahoma. As we'll hear more
[0:48] Speaker 1: about Rick ben in the mental health profession for eighteen
[0:52] Speaker 1: years with a doctorate in forensic psychology. So a little
[0:55] Speaker 1: bit of information about him. But welcome to the show.
[0:58] Speaker 2: Rick.
[0:59] Speaker 1: How are you doing today's sir?
[1:00] Speaker 2: I do really well? Thank you? How are you?
[1:03] Speaker 1: I'm doing great? A little information about how this all
[1:09] Speaker 1: came about. Had an individual from your organization reach out
[1:13] Speaker 1: to me about a previous episode, and this individual was like, Hey,
[1:17] Speaker 1: we would love to kind of touch base with this
[1:19] Speaker 1: person you talked to, and I was like, I would
[1:21] Speaker 1: love to touch base with you guys. So and thankfully
[1:24] Speaker 1: we were able to work something out. As we were
[1:26] Speaker 1: talking about beforehand, it has been about five years since
[1:33] Speaker 1: there's I guess you could say maybe a public update
[1:36] Speaker 1: about what's been going on with then AWAC. So we
[1:40] Speaker 1: will see about where a conversation will lead today and
[1:44] Speaker 1: what kind of information will get through updates. But you know, again,
[1:48] Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to have you on. Is there anything
[1:51] Speaker 1: else that listeners would need to know about you Rick
[1:54] Speaker 1: before we get started?
[1:57] Speaker 2: Well, I I don't think I would put myself in
[2:01] Speaker 2: the typical bigfoot hunter category, if that's what you want
[2:04] Speaker 2: to say. I was never too much into outdoor activity.
[2:09] Speaker 2: I enjoyed it just to get to do it very much.
[2:13] Speaker 2: I've always loved the topic, but I wasn't really sure
[2:19] Speaker 2: what I'd be able to participate or what I would
[2:23] Speaker 2: be able to bring to the group. You know, I'm
[2:25] Speaker 2: not a I'm not a hunter, I'm not an outdoorsman,
[2:29] Speaker 2: but I can observe, and I am willing to make
[2:33] Speaker 2: the drive from Arizona to Oklahoma multiple times a year,
[2:37] Speaker 2: boots on the ground, and I can keep field notes
[2:40] Speaker 2: and take pictures and do other things that need to
[2:43] Speaker 2: be done. So I think sometimes people feel they have
[2:50] Speaker 2: to have a certain set of skills or attributes to
[2:53] Speaker 2: be successful, and I group like this and I don't.
[2:55] Speaker 2: I think it's more just your your willingness to participate
[2:58] Speaker 2: and learning.
[2:59] Speaker 1: That's fair fantastic. How about this. Can you think of
[3:05] Speaker 1: a situation where you experienced something at the beginning of
[3:08] Speaker 1: your time in Area X, where things got extremely real
[3:13] Speaker 1: for you and you're like, oh, this place is not
[3:15] Speaker 1: just a story, like this is actually happening right here.
[3:19] Speaker 2: Yes, I'm fortunate in the sense that my first my
[3:24] Speaker 2: first venture in there, it rained a lot. We had
[3:26] Speaker 2: a lot of rain that week, which is notorious for
[3:29] Speaker 2: rain in that area. I don't remember if it was
[3:32] Speaker 2: the second or third night. But we sit around what
[3:35] Speaker 2: we call dark camp, so we don't have lights, we
[3:37] Speaker 2: don't have a fire. We just kind of spread out
[3:40] Speaker 2: in front of where we're camping with thermal imagers and
[3:44] Speaker 2: just listen, watch see what we can detect and I
[3:48] Speaker 2: remember Kathy Strain had said on I believe it was
[3:51] Speaker 2: a one of the documentaries out there. Anyway, she had said,
[3:57] Speaker 2: they're always watching it. We just assume they're always watching it.
[4:00] Speaker 2: I told the gang I want to try something, and I,
[4:03] Speaker 2: you know, being the new guy, I know everything's been
[4:06] Speaker 2: tried before. But I just picked up a big rock
[4:09] Speaker 2: from next to me and I chucked into the woods
[4:11] Speaker 2: in front of us. And about thirty seconds later, we
[4:14] Speaker 2: hear that that indistinctible sound of something coming through the
[4:19] Speaker 2: tree tops and we hear a thud on the ground,
[4:23] Speaker 2: and like, all right, let's they're here. So we got
[4:27] Speaker 2: out a three man slingshot, so with two guys holding
[4:33] Speaker 2: the giant rubber band, gone to the other and leaning back,
[4:38] Speaker 2: and we fired rocks into the woods and we'd get
[4:41] Speaker 2: I think we had three or four come back at us,
[4:43] Speaker 2: and then it just stopped. But I yeah, I remember
[4:47] Speaker 2: thinking that's okay, well this doesn't happen normally. So and
[4:53] Speaker 2: just getting down there, I mean, you do realize. I
[4:55] Speaker 2: mean you've been told over and over and over hearing
[4:57] Speaker 2: about arie X how remote it is. Once you get
[5:00] Speaker 2: out there and see it and try to walk it,
[5:04] Speaker 2: you realize this. There's nobody out there is in that situation.
[5:09] Speaker 2: So that got my attention pretty quick. I've had several
[5:12] Speaker 2: things out there were like Okay, this is this is
[5:17] Speaker 2: the real deal out.
[5:17] Speaker 1: Here absolutely for listeners that I just had a thought.
[5:24] Speaker 1: I was like, there's going to be some listeners that
[5:26] Speaker 1: have they probably won't know the area that we're talking about.
[5:31] Speaker 1: Do you have an elevator pitch of what area X is?
[5:35] Speaker 1: I mean, that's a tricky one.
[5:38] Speaker 2: That's a great, great question. So I would just say, yeah,
[5:40] Speaker 2: down in the in the southeast corner of Oklahoma and
[5:46] Speaker 2: the Washington Mountains, it's it's a secluded area. I mean
[5:50] Speaker 2: there's there's ben cabins I think throughout throughout the years,
[5:53] Speaker 2: but it's very difficult to get down in there. There's
[5:56] Speaker 2: a lot of private land down in there. But yeah,
[6:02] Speaker 2: it's the terrain is I've never I've never experienced anything
[6:06] Speaker 2: like that. Living in Arizona, I've done a lot of hiking.
[6:13] Speaker 2: You have to keep your eyes on the ground a
[6:15] Speaker 2: lot to survive out there. It's it's pretty rough. I
[6:18] Speaker 2: actually missed a sighting watching where I was walking and
[6:22] Speaker 2: uh so it gets a lot of rain. I know,
[6:26] Speaker 2: it's we call it a moderate rainforest. It's it gets
[6:30] Speaker 2: a lot of rain every year, and I've been in
[6:33] Speaker 2: there a couple of times where there's just you can't
[6:35] Speaker 2: do much of anything, just have to wait out the rain.
[6:36] Speaker 2: It's so heavy and so solid. But because of that,
[6:40] Speaker 2: there's also a lot of us a lot of resources,
[6:42] Speaker 2: a lot of food, a lot of animals, a lot
[6:44] Speaker 2: of wildlife. It's it's a beautiful area and it's a
[6:47] Speaker 2: little bit scary at the same time.
[6:50] Speaker 1: I want to clarify something with you because you said
[6:53] Speaker 1: you were watching the ground, and I was like, well, so,
[6:58] Speaker 1: because I'm aware you've got a lot of snakes and
[7:00] Speaker 1: things in there, I mean, is it's a dangerous area,
[7:03] Speaker 1: right right?
[7:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah. If you don't like spiders, you might
[7:10] Speaker 2: want to skip out, or don't be the first guy
[7:13] Speaker 2: walking in line through paths. But a lot of spiders,
[7:17] Speaker 2: a lot of snakes, rattlesnakes, and copperhends out there. So
[7:21] Speaker 2: not only watching we are going there, but just the
[7:23] Speaker 2: uneven ground and the rocky terrain. It's yeah, I've fallen
[7:31] Speaker 2: several times. I don't know how you know. I've made
[7:34] Speaker 2: it out there find I know some people have hurt
[7:36] Speaker 2: themselves out there, but it's it's not hard to do.
[7:41] Speaker 1: And another interesting fact, it's a treacherous drive even to
[7:46] Speaker 1: get into that area, correct.
[7:48] Speaker 2: Right, That's correct. You have to have certain type of
[7:52] Speaker 2: be able to get in there. Some people have been
[7:54] Speaker 2: a little braver than others, so if they've attended to
[7:58] Speaker 2: get been there. But I'm going in for my seventh
[8:03] Speaker 2: week of research this summer, and I'll be white knuckling
[8:07] Speaker 2: it just like you did the first six. It's yeah,
[8:11] Speaker 2: it's a ride.
[8:13] Speaker 1: How many years are those seven weeks spread out over
[8:16] Speaker 1: that you've been in there?
[8:20] Speaker 2: Think I first went in in two thousand and twenty two.
[8:24] Speaker 2: It was my first summer in there. I did. First
[8:27] Speaker 2: couple of summers I did, I did two weeks, split up,
[8:32] Speaker 2: and then I've gone in for the last just one
[8:35] Speaker 2: time a week. You know, life and other obligations obviously
[8:39] Speaker 2: step in. But I wanted to get as much as
[8:41] Speaker 2: I could those first first couple of years.
[8:43] Speaker 1: So absolutely, so let's let's get into it.
[8:49] Speaker 2: Then.
[8:52] Speaker 1: What are maybe some interesting events or potential discoveries that
[8:59] Speaker 1: you you've had as an organ organization in the last
[9:03] Speaker 1: five years in this area.
[9:06] Speaker 2: We've had one of the most amazing trackways I've I've seen.
[9:12] Speaker 2: I didn't get to see it until months and months
[9:14] Speaker 2: and months after it was discovered, but it was still
[9:16] Speaker 2: pretty pristine when we saw it. It was pretty clearly
[9:20] Speaker 2: of two individuals that just wandered around this this one
[9:24] Speaker 2: area and had a we had a tree twist on there,
[9:30] Speaker 2: we collected some hair samples and and I think later
[9:34] Speaker 2: in that same week they found another trackway down where
[9:39] Speaker 2: Elton Higgins had the famous mud hole track that he
[9:42] Speaker 2: found that's where he kind of realized he's in a
[9:44] Speaker 2: good area. And it was in that same spot and
[9:46] Speaker 2: it was just trailed off into the woods. And so
[9:50] Speaker 2: we've had that, we've did a lot of there was
[9:52] Speaker 2: some really good field work done on that. We're still
[9:55] Speaker 2: looking and getting some information out of that. And we
[9:59] Speaker 2: did aren't what we call, well, we called the Asset team,
[10:04] Speaker 2: but it's a it's a team at camp made up
[10:08] Speaker 2: strictly of females, female researchers, and they don't they don't
[10:13] Speaker 2: go in there acting like our normal research teams. They're
[10:16] Speaker 2: just camping. They're just having fun. They're you know, cooking
[10:21] Speaker 2: by the fire. They'll go for day hikes, whatever, they're doing.
[10:24] Speaker 2: But then we have an other team that's about a
[10:27] Speaker 2: mile or so away camped and they will sneak in
[10:30] Speaker 2: over time at night and monitor camp, monitor the hills,
[10:33] Speaker 2: monitor the area. And we've had some pretty interesting things
[10:37] Speaker 2: happen happen with those teams. So we're continuing with that.
[10:40] Speaker 2: I think this is our I think this will be
[10:42] Speaker 2: our third year doing that. So had a pretty decent
[10:47] Speaker 2: bluff charge from one of our members and we got
[10:51] Speaker 2: some thermal imaging that we can't quite determine what it is.
[10:54] Speaker 2: It looks big, but with thermal imaging it's it can
[10:58] Speaker 2: be really hard to discover or what that is. But
[11:01] Speaker 2: so we've been doing that as well for the last
[11:03] Speaker 2: few years.
[11:06] Speaker 1: That is all incredible. How long would you say that
[11:10] Speaker 1: trackway went for that you were able to you were
[11:14] Speaker 1: able to follow it.
[11:17] Speaker 2: So it went around an old building. So it looks
[11:23] Speaker 2: like they came up from one area I'd say walk
[11:26] Speaker 2: in Maybee fifty fifty feet, circled this building and then
[11:33] Speaker 2: they walked off into a field or whatever you want
[11:37] Speaker 2: to call it, little clearing and even in there you
[11:39] Speaker 2: see divots and push down of old tracks that have
[11:42] Speaker 2: been there for a long time, but these were these
[11:45] Speaker 2: were really good, really good tracks. So yeah, I had
[11:48] Speaker 2: one of our other former board members that was on that,
[11:52] Speaker 2: and he's gonna hopefully get on and tell us a
[11:54] Speaker 2: little bit more of the real specific details on that.
[11:58] Speaker 2: But yeah, it was something else.
[12:01] Speaker 1: Okay, So it sounds like that any trackway questions might
[12:06] Speaker 1: be better left for this other individual than.
[12:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, more likely.
[12:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, got it, Okay, very good. The asset team is
[12:16] Speaker 1: very interesting and those two teams that's been going on
[12:21] Speaker 1: for for three years, and I it's such an interesting
[12:27] Speaker 1: idea to have an all female team like that. Has
[12:31] Speaker 1: that led to any interesting interactions with that team and uh,
[12:38] Speaker 1: you know a bigfoot coming into the camp.
[12:44] Speaker 2: Well, so nothing that's been I would say out of
[12:48] Speaker 2: the ordinary, everything out of there, coming out of theirs,
[12:51] Speaker 2: out of the ordinary. But yeah, I think there were
[12:54] Speaker 2: there were sounds heard, you know, whoops and other vocalizations
[12:58] Speaker 2: throughout the week, but it was the evening time and
[13:01] Speaker 2: nighttime when the uh, the other team was in there
[13:05] Speaker 2: kind of monitoring the area and seeing if they could
[13:08] Speaker 2: get something coming in and that's when they get the
[13:10] Speaker 2: bluff charge and it got a heat signature. They could
[13:15] Speaker 2: actually hear the thing breathing. I don't remember how far
[13:19] Speaker 2: away they thought it was, but they could hear real heavy, heavy,
[13:23] Speaker 2: almost like an asthmatic breathing, and then they got something.
[13:29] Speaker 2: I'm a thermal image.
[13:31] Speaker 1: I'm sure that thermal image has been analyzed over and
[13:34] Speaker 1: over again in the group. How are you able to
[13:42] Speaker 1: get a feel of how tall that individual was that
[13:46] Speaker 1: that was on the thermal footage?
[13:50] Speaker 2: No, really not, I mean it could have been hunched down,
[13:54] Speaker 2: you know, it just depends on how close it was
[13:55] Speaker 2: to Sometimes with thermal imaging, you think you're looking at
[13:58] Speaker 2: a black bear until a raccoon comes out, or vice versa. So,
[14:03] Speaker 2: but it looked like it was. Anytime you have different
[14:06] Speaker 2: people looking at thermal imaging, they might pick out different things.
[14:09] Speaker 2: So and I've seen that with pictures we've taken down
[14:12] Speaker 2: there too. Or I don't see anything in that photo,
[14:15] Speaker 2: and I can clearly see what I think is a
[14:18] Speaker 2: leg or a shoulder, but it's hard to tell. So gotcha.
[14:25] Speaker 1: Have you had any let's say, any class A or
[14:31] Speaker 1: visual sightings over the last five years from team members?
[14:37] Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely so. The one that I was discussing my
[14:43] Speaker 2: second trip August of twenty two, and it was three
[14:46] Speaker 2: of us. We've been out kind of hiking the whole valley,
[14:50] Speaker 2: just being in different areas. We had settled that in
[14:53] Speaker 2: an area a couple of days prior and had rocks
[14:56] Speaker 2: coming out of the tree line at us. We were
[14:59] Speaker 2: all kind of spread out and hidden out and kind
[15:01] Speaker 2: of decided it was time to get out of there.
[15:03] Speaker 2: And then a couple of days later we went to
[15:05] Speaker 2: a different area not too far and as we went
[15:12] Speaker 2: to go look at a certain spot, and instead of
[15:16] Speaker 2: backtracking and just turning right around, we decided to go
[15:18] Speaker 2: on a bigger loop and go around and we almost
[15:21] Speaker 2: feel like we caught this animal off guard. So as
[15:25] Speaker 2: we're kind of coming up a little trail, there's three
[15:28] Speaker 2: of us. I'm in the back, another gentleman is in
[15:31] Speaker 2: between us, and we're both at the time this happened,
[15:34] Speaker 2: we're looking at our feet because we're kind of going
[15:36] Speaker 2: down this little steep rocky area, so we want to
[15:39] Speaker 2: make sure we got a good foothold. And right as
[15:41] Speaker 2: we were doing that, the guy in the front saw
[15:44] Speaker 2: an upright creature kind of hunched over like when the
[15:49] Speaker 2: way he described it, it makes me think of somebody in
[15:51] Speaker 2: a movie theater when they're kind of cutting in front
[15:53] Speaker 2: of everybody. They want to make sure they don't get
[15:54] Speaker 2: in your way, so they hunch over, and he just
[15:57] Speaker 2: darted in front of the path kish brown, he said,
[16:00] Speaker 2: like an Irish setter color. But it ran in a
[16:03] Speaker 2: patch of sunlight, so he could really see it leaning off.
[16:06] Speaker 2: And of course he's upset that he didn't. You know,
[16:09] Speaker 2: he can't get a shot off in that amount of time,
[16:11] Speaker 2: and we didn't see anything, and so we were upset
[16:15] Speaker 2: at that. But that was that was a wild afternoon.
[16:18] Speaker 2: Just kind of decompressing after that, even even though I
[16:20] Speaker 2: didn't get to see it, just talking with someone immediately afterwards,
[16:24] Speaker 2: that was that was very interesting.
[16:28] Speaker 1: I can't imagine having an encounter like that. So when
[16:33] Speaker 1: you say take a shot, that could obviously mean one
[16:40] Speaker 1: or two things, And so it leads into an interesting question,
[16:44] Speaker 1: what would you I know, at times in the past,
[16:47] Speaker 1: naw C has been really focused on trying to get
[16:51] Speaker 1: an actual, like physical specimen, but then there was a
[16:56] Speaker 1: kind of a focus on maybe getting using camera to
[17:04] Speaker 1: get an actual like photograph of one instead, and sure,
[17:08] Speaker 1: what would you say the focuses in this time and
[17:12] Speaker 1: period the last five years, what is organization's focus on
[17:16] Speaker 1: getting well.
[17:18] Speaker 2: I don't think we ever got away from trying to
[17:20] Speaker 2: collect a specimen. So I think that was always out
[17:23] Speaker 2: there for a lot of these members. There were like
[17:26] Speaker 2: members like myself and I think other members. It's just
[17:30] Speaker 2: it's a lot it's a lot of pressure to have
[17:34] Speaker 2: a fire arm. You mean, you know, hunting a deer,
[17:35] Speaker 2: you know, hunting a bear, You're hunting something that is
[17:38] Speaker 2: until you see it, apparently it's really it's hard to
[17:44] Speaker 2: pull the trigger, I think, And so I think that's
[17:46] Speaker 2: a lot of pressure for some folks. So some people
[17:49] Speaker 2: just don't want to do it. So we did try
[17:52] Speaker 2: to reinvigorate the camera group and we're still trying to
[17:56] Speaker 2: do that, so trying to figure out the best ways
[17:58] Speaker 2: of doing that and the BEG camera traps or that's
[18:02] Speaker 2: what I carry out there, besides the side arm for safety,
[18:04] Speaker 2: I carry a camera and just again the same thing
[18:09] Speaker 2: as I guess with a shot, you're just hoping you're
[18:10] Speaker 2: in the right spot at the right time. But yeah,
[18:12] Speaker 2: I'm trying to collect a specimen. That's that's never really
[18:15] Speaker 2: gone away, but a popular opinion with everybody. But when
[18:20] Speaker 2: I still when I said take a shot. I think
[18:22] Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of where we were at the time.
[18:24] Speaker 2: I don't even think we were carrying long guns into
[18:27] Speaker 2: where we were. But he had a camera with him,
[18:30] Speaker 2: and you know cameras out there, it's you charge him
[18:34] Speaker 2: up and sometimes you go for twenty minutes and they're dead, like, well,
[18:37] Speaker 2: now we're going to see something, you know, or it
[18:41] Speaker 2: just didn't have it on for whatever reason. It's it's yeah,
[18:44] Speaker 2: but to at least snap a shot, had it in
[18:46] Speaker 2: his hand and didn't get a chance to do it.
[18:49] Speaker 1: Why do you think that is that you have? So
[18:54] Speaker 1: it sounds like, at least in some instances, you have
[18:58] Speaker 1: batteries that will go dead. And do you have any
[19:02] Speaker 1: thoughts about why that might occur in that area?
[19:06] Speaker 2: You know, I think a lot of it has to
[19:08] Speaker 2: do with the weather. Honestly, it's it's very very You
[19:11] Speaker 2: went out there in the summertime. I'm not an expert
[19:15] Speaker 2: at that type of technology, but you know, they some
[19:19] Speaker 2: of the some of the items you use would would
[19:21] Speaker 2: get really hot, so I just think they're just getting
[19:22] Speaker 2: overheated and with the humidity there, I think that that
[19:25] Speaker 2: plays a big part into it. And you know, we've
[19:30] Speaker 2: heard about the big Foot curse before you know, equipment
[19:33] Speaker 2: just suddenly not working. But I just think there's a
[19:39] Speaker 2: some luck to that, I think. But yeah, I think
[19:41] Speaker 2: part of its weather. We've got some guys that kind
[19:43] Speaker 2: of figured some stuff out too. Hey, if I use
[19:45] Speaker 2: this type of an external battery pack, it tends to
[19:47] Speaker 2: last longer. So it's just a matter of getting all
[19:50] Speaker 2: the right equipment and and and you got to remember
[19:54] Speaker 2: it is turned it all on, make sure it's all charge.
[19:56] Speaker 2: You get into these long, hot hikes and you're tired,
[19:59] Speaker 2: and sometimes people just I will put this on today
[20:03] Speaker 2: or whatever. It's a big mistake.
[20:06] Speaker 1: That's the that's the time then you would need it. Yeah.
[20:10] Speaker 1: Do you feel in the last few years that there
[20:12] Speaker 1: has been an actual photograph taken of uh in this situation,
[20:18] Speaker 1: we would be definitely uh man, there's so much background information.
[20:23] Speaker 2: Guys.
[20:24] Speaker 1: If the n e w a C stands for North
[20:27] Speaker 1: American Wood A Conservancy correct, Yes, correct? Okay, so that's
[20:33] Speaker 1: our that's our foundation, guys. So do you feel that
[20:37] Speaker 1: there has been a time where there's been a photograph
[20:41] Speaker 1: taken of a wood ape in this area in the
[20:43] Speaker 1: last five years? That's been pretty good?
[20:48] Speaker 2: Not that I'm aware of. Like I said, there's there's
[20:52] Speaker 2: been a couple of shots where, you know, we've if
[20:56] Speaker 2: you're out sitting around for a couple of hours and
[20:58] Speaker 2: you might keep hearing something from area. You know, we've
[21:01] Speaker 2: learned just zoom in whenever you can just start snapping
[21:04] Speaker 2: a bunch of pictures because we've gone back and looked
[21:06] Speaker 2: at someone like there's a shape of something there. I
[21:10] Speaker 2: can't you can't say it's an eight. But I think
[21:13] Speaker 2: one of these times you keep doing that, you might
[21:16] Speaker 2: might well capture something. But not that I'm aware of
[21:18] Speaker 2: nothing that that I believe. But you know, we probably
[21:22] Speaker 2: still have who knows how many hundreds or thousands of
[21:26] Speaker 2: photos to still try to produce or with with some
[21:29] Speaker 2: of the camera traps we'd had set up for years.
[21:32] Speaker 1: I can't imagine that. That's just that I totally get it, though.
[21:38] Speaker 1: I mean, it's not just you guys. There's other organizations
[21:41] Speaker 1: that have so much data that they've taken in and
[21:44] Speaker 1: they just don't have the time or the manpower to
[21:47] Speaker 1: analyze it. I totally get it. It's like, yeah, no,
[21:53] Speaker 1: there's other examples out there. I know in the past,
[21:57] Speaker 1: and I'm talking longer than five years back. There has
[22:02] Speaker 1: been times in this area where individuals have had a
[22:07] Speaker 1: what ape in their sites and they weren't able to
[22:09] Speaker 1: pull the trigger because of what they saw. Do you
[22:12] Speaker 1: has anything like that happened since or has there not
[22:16] Speaker 1: really been a situation that's gotten close like that did
[22:21] Speaker 1: back in the day.
[22:23] Speaker 2: I'm trying to think if there's been anything since then,
[22:26] Speaker 2: and I know, yeah, there's been a couple. I think
[22:31] Speaker 2: I can't think of anything since then. You've had something
[22:33] Speaker 2: in your sights, and I don't know if that's you know,
[22:38] Speaker 2: it's interesting as time goes on and we learn about
[22:41] Speaker 2: the apes, you know, they're learning about us too. So
[22:44] Speaker 2: when you first read about or hear about Area X,
[22:47] Speaker 2: it's just this other world, you know, just like stuff's
[22:50] Speaker 2: happening all the time, and it wasn't, but that's how
[22:53] Speaker 2: it appeared. But I think, you know, they haven't left
[22:56] Speaker 2: and we haven't left, so they've just learned to kind
[22:58] Speaker 2: of get around us as much as possible. And literally
[23:04] Speaker 2: last summer we found a trackway that almost just shirts
[23:07] Speaker 2: the entire camp. We found a good trackway. Let's follow it. Well,
[23:11] Speaker 2: this goes from almost a perimeter of our camp all
[23:15] Speaker 2: the way it just takes them, so they don't ever
[23:16] Speaker 2: have to be afraid that we're going to see them.
[23:20] Speaker 2: So I don't know if it's they're being more careful
[23:24] Speaker 2: or we just haven't been lucky enough.
[23:27] Speaker 1: Sure, have you experienced any situations where there's been evidence
[23:36] Speaker 1: of tool making or structure building or anything that you
[23:41] Speaker 1: might see present in other ape species as well?
[23:47] Speaker 2: Now, I personally am not. Other than we know we
[23:50] Speaker 2: found some neut crushing stations in up there. There was
[23:58] Speaker 2: there was one gentleman that was well, he was on
[24:02] Speaker 2: one of our teams. He was guse, I want to
[24:07] Speaker 2: say bumb brush, but he was aboff charged by an animal.
[24:11] Speaker 2: It clearly it was an ape. And so they went
[24:13] Speaker 2: back to see where this thing was, where it was hiding,
[24:16] Speaker 2: and where it was watching him from. And they found
[24:20] Speaker 2: a stick that was perfectly balanced on this other. There's
[24:25] Speaker 2: other stick, so if he moved it one way or
[24:27] Speaker 2: the other was going to fall. But this thing was
[24:28] Speaker 2: just sitting there perfectly balanced. I don't know how that
[24:32] Speaker 2: happens naturally, but right where the ape had been. So,
[24:38] Speaker 2: I mean that's probably the closest we've seen. I had
[24:40] Speaker 2: never seen really any stick structures I did talk about
[24:48] Speaker 2: the trackway and we found a tree. It was probably
[24:52] Speaker 2: I'm trying to think how big the tree was around
[24:54] Speaker 2: maybe you know, four or five inch diameter, and it
[24:57] Speaker 2: was it was grabbed and just you could just see
[25:00] Speaker 2: it was twisted all the way around and then pushed
[25:02] Speaker 2: over so it kind of pointed in the direction. Whether
[25:04] Speaker 2: that meant anything or that, I don't know. I think
[25:08] Speaker 2: the tree was just in its way and it was
[25:09] Speaker 2: just just doing it to do it. Like we've messed
[25:13] Speaker 2: with sticks, trees and stuff too, I don't know, but
[25:16] Speaker 2: nothing we've seen.
[25:18] Speaker 1: Absolutely. And so I've been out to Oregon in the
[25:23] Speaker 1: mount Hood National Force and I've seen some some tree
[25:27] Speaker 1: twists as well. And I don't know if you've ever
[25:30] Speaker 1: seen pictures of things like that from the PNW. If
[25:35] Speaker 1: you have, are they similar to what you're seeing then
[25:38] Speaker 1: in the area ATX area?
[25:42] Speaker 2: And like I said, well, I've only seen the one
[25:44] Speaker 2: out in X. It was pretty low to the ground too,
[25:48] Speaker 2: wasn't real high up probably four feet, so it wasn't
[25:51] Speaker 2: a big tree. So and and and that's a good
[25:55] Speaker 2: you know, that's always been a good question of mine,
[25:58] Speaker 2: is are they doing different things in different areas. You know,
[26:01] Speaker 2: maybe a similar as far as a lot of forested areas,
[26:04] Speaker 2: a lot of trees, but you know, it does seem
[26:07] Speaker 2: like there's a lot more of these structures and things
[26:09] Speaker 2: like that coming out of the Northwest than we would
[26:11] Speaker 2: see down there. The goal is ultimately to be able
[26:14] Speaker 2: to get this species identified and and then thus the
[26:19] Speaker 2: conference that the conservation piece comes in. You know, and
[26:24] Speaker 2: I've never been someone that not that I discount you know,
[26:29] Speaker 2: some of these you know, things to our environment that
[26:32] Speaker 2: have been happening, but just in the in the few
[26:34] Speaker 2: years I've seen it just to drive in, it's it's
[26:37] Speaker 2: sad some of the cutting of the trees and and
[26:41] Speaker 2: and they're not being replanted with what's being cut down,
[26:43] Speaker 2: so we're really doing a disservice to all the animals
[26:47] Speaker 2: out there. But the goal is to identify the species
[26:50] Speaker 2: so it can be protected not just from hunting but
[26:55] Speaker 2: from environmental encroachment things like that. So uh and some
[27:00] Speaker 2: of the sub goals, I mean, that's our that's our
[27:02] Speaker 2: main goal. And I know we've talked about photography and
[27:05] Speaker 2: uh uh and actually collecting, but you remember that the
[27:09] Speaker 2: Tag seven where we had sort of wood apes tagged.
[27:12] Speaker 2: We're hoping to replicate that. So one of our goals
[27:15] Speaker 2: is to with a newer technology maybe redo that. But
[27:19] Speaker 2: we need boots on the ground to do that too.
[27:21] Speaker 2: So if I could plug if anybody out there feels
[27:24] Speaker 2: like that is something that you know, they can, you know,
[27:27] Speaker 2: devote some time to get out there and do that.
[27:29] Speaker 2: We have a membership tab on our on our website
[27:32] Speaker 2: to you know, submit an application and but that was
[27:36] Speaker 2: I wasn't there for that, but the stories I heard
[27:39] Speaker 2: made me tired, and that was a lot of running
[27:41] Speaker 2: around and chasing for ten eleven months something like that.
[27:46] Speaker 2: It was is crazy. So we're hoping with some newer
[27:49] Speaker 2: technology and some more boots on the ground, maybe we
[27:51] Speaker 2: can help do this again. Oh absolutely, Yeah.
[27:55] Speaker 1: The tag seven account is just a really interesting thing
[28:00] Speaker 1: for listeners to look into, and the monograph is still
[28:04] Speaker 1: up I would imagine on your website right absolutely. Do
[28:08] Speaker 1: you feel like there have been any particular events within
[28:10] Speaker 1: the last five years that have gotten you closer to
[28:12] Speaker 1: your goal that you have as an organization?
[28:18] Speaker 2: You know, I think, I mean, I definitely think the
[28:22] Speaker 2: Asset team has been something totally unique and there's been
[28:26] Speaker 2: activity each time that they've been out. You know, it's interesting,
[28:31] Speaker 2: I think just the different techniques that people have. You know,
[28:36] Speaker 2: I could gilly up and go hide for six hours
[28:40] Speaker 2: in one spot, or I could wear my normal clothes
[28:45] Speaker 2: and go sit in the middle of the field and
[28:49] Speaker 2: I might have the same chance. And we've had people
[28:54] Speaker 2: do both of those and have success. They're still coming around,
[28:57] Speaker 2: they're still making themselves known to us, so we just
[29:00] Speaker 2: want to be able to take advantage of that. Yeah.
[29:03] Speaker 1: Absolutely, What do you think the closest that someone from
[29:06] Speaker 1: the team has gotten to an epe in the last
[29:09] Speaker 1: five years.
[29:14] Speaker 2: I'd say that bluff charge we had. It's it been
[29:16] Speaker 2: a year now behind where we camp. That was pretty
[29:21] Speaker 2: pretty intense and got pretty close. From what we could tell,
[29:27] Speaker 2: we've had well, it's hard to tell when the power
[29:31] Speaker 2: knocks come in how close it feels like that they're
[29:34] Speaker 2: fifty yards from your cabin. They could be a lot
[29:36] Speaker 2: further than that. But we've had some power knocks, we've
[29:39] Speaker 2: had some cabin slaps, so technically guess pretty close, but
[29:43] Speaker 2: you know, the second you rush outside, there's nothing there.
[29:47] Speaker 2: So I was on a team we had two of
[29:49] Speaker 2: those at two thirty in the morning on two different
[29:52] Speaker 2: nights and it was heard by the same people, so
[29:55] Speaker 2: just different different areas of the cabin. So they're still
[29:57] Speaker 2: approaching even in the camp. But I think that bluff charge,
[30:02] Speaker 2: which was actually a pretty close story of Latrain good Spot,
[30:07] Speaker 2: that's about where that happened, so really close. Gotcha.
[30:13] Speaker 1: Have you figured out any interesting ways to initiate nothing?
[30:20] Speaker 2: I'm aware of nothing that I've come across. I think,
[30:24] Speaker 2: like I said, it's they've really gotten used to us.
[30:27] Speaker 2: Sometimes we'll sit silent for two nights in a row
[30:29] Speaker 2: and not make a sound, and then the third night
[30:31] Speaker 2: we might try a wood knocker who and we might
[30:33] Speaker 2: get a response, we might get absolutely nothing. We have
[30:36] Speaker 2: found this magic formula that that's going to make them
[30:39] Speaker 2: do it, So yeah, we keep looking for it and
[30:44] Speaker 2: we keep trying. I mean, it's we keep we just
[30:46] Speaker 2: we keep trying things. Sometimes we'll try it in a
[30:48] Speaker 2: different way if we have a way of doing that.
[30:52] Speaker 2: But I've looked over the list of things before I
[30:55] Speaker 2: got on there to think that they've tried, and I've
[30:57] Speaker 2: been pretty surprised just some of the things they've tried
[31:00] Speaker 2: to elicit responses, and some of it works, some of
[31:03] Speaker 2: it isn't.
[31:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's some really interesting things people are trying out there.
[31:09] Speaker 1: I know that a long time ago there were things
[31:14] Speaker 1: put in place of what to do if there was
[31:17] Speaker 1: a specimen that was actually taken. Is that the same
[31:21] Speaker 1: case with the organization or is that changed.
[31:26] Speaker 2: We still have Yeah, we still have a protocol in place,
[31:28] Speaker 2: so if if something were to happen, we've kind of
[31:31] Speaker 2: got everything all I'll lay out what we're going to do,
[31:34] Speaker 2: who's doing what everything?
[31:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha? Which I'm trying to think and this is
[31:41] Speaker 1: this is public. You can find it in different interviews.
[31:44] Speaker 1: Is it Artemis protocol? I think it was called that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[31:50] Speaker 2: These last five years, I think the asset team was
[31:55] Speaker 2: a really good addition, you know, seeing unity in purpose
[32:00] Speaker 2: with two different teams operating at the same time, which
[32:03] Speaker 2: is kind of interesting that the home team basically away
[32:05] Speaker 2: team sneaking in at night. But I just you know,
[32:11] Speaker 2: in my vision, I almost see as we're just we're
[32:14] Speaker 2: just keeping keep doing what we've been doing, try to
[32:18] Speaker 2: do new things, but we don't want to give up
[32:19] Speaker 2: on some of the old stuff too, because stuff has
[32:21] Speaker 2: worked in the past. So I, like I said, I
[32:26] Speaker 2: don't think it's as active as it was back in
[32:30] Speaker 2: you know, two thousand and six, seven eight, all that,
[32:32] Speaker 2: because I think we were new to the apes, but
[32:35] Speaker 2: now they're used to us. But you know, you still
[32:38] Speaker 2: get these moments of I think you catch them off
[32:41] Speaker 2: guard or a younger one decides he's going to act
[32:45] Speaker 2: up and talk. We've had we've had a couple of
[32:50] Speaker 2: instances of fust speech being heard in camp early morning.
[32:55] Speaker 2: So we've had a couple of businesses like that. We've
[32:58] Speaker 2: had a couple of other sighted just quick sightings of
[33:01] Speaker 2: a gray something big and gray going through the brush.
[33:04] Speaker 2: We've had some thermal sightings from camp that looked very interesting.
[33:11] Speaker 2: And you got one guy saying it's on two feet,
[33:14] Speaker 2: that's on two legs. The other guy when he gets
[33:16] Speaker 2: up close to it, you're not looking through thermals because
[33:20] Speaker 2: I think it was a bear part of I mean,
[33:23] Speaker 2: you just never.
[33:23] Speaker 1: Know what when you say faux speech, are you actually
[33:28] Speaker 1: I'm just gonna can you explain what you mean by
[33:32] Speaker 1: that exactly?
[33:37] Speaker 2: So faux speech obviously it's our guests. We believe it
[33:40] Speaker 2: sounds like communication. It's a garbled, jumbled I've heard it
[33:43] Speaker 2: called samurai chatter. Just a low guttural string of bowels
[33:49] Speaker 2: and consonants put together, just sounds like grumbling. But you
[33:52] Speaker 2: can hear intonation. You can almost go with that one
[33:55] Speaker 2: was bad at that one, you know, or we've had
[33:58] Speaker 2: it where they were two of them are kind of
[34:00] Speaker 2: chattering back and forth, and a much louder voice kind
[34:03] Speaker 2: of did one big loud whook and then everyone just
[34:05] Speaker 2: everything stopped. But yeah, we've had one of our guys
[34:10] Speaker 2: wake up in the early morning, pre dawn, and he
[34:12] Speaker 2: heard what sound like a conversation going on behind him,
[34:17] Speaker 2: not too far from the cabin. So just but you
[34:20] Speaker 2: can't decipher words, it's just these guttural voices and sounds.
[34:25] Speaker 2: If you it's it Sierra Sounds, run morehead, you'll see
[34:30] Speaker 2: exactly what that sounds like. It's very interesting.
[34:34] Speaker 1: Okay, And I was just going to ask that actually,
[34:37] Speaker 1: so you're saying it's very similar to the Sierra Sounds.
[34:40] Speaker 2: Son, Yes, that's what they've been saying they're hearing.
[34:45] Speaker 1: Okay, have you guys been able to get your own
[34:48] Speaker 1: recordings of that speech.
[34:52] Speaker 2: No, we've had we'll have cameras or cameras, we'll have
[34:57] Speaker 2: audio recorders out all night and we've we have record
[35:00] Speaker 2: at certain things. We have recorded some of that post speech.
[35:02] Speaker 2: I think it's on our website from years ago, but
[35:05] Speaker 2: nothing on the recent any of the recent trips in
[35:09] Speaker 2: the last five years. Yeah, we've had things that we
[35:14] Speaker 2: thought should get caught on recording and we wouldn't hear it.
[35:18] Speaker 2: Same thing with camera. But yeah, no, I haven't had
[35:23] Speaker 2: the post speech recorded I think in the last at
[35:26] Speaker 2: least five years since I've been there, even though folks
[35:29] Speaker 2: have heard it. Gotcha.
[35:36] Speaker 1: Going off of the data you guys have gotten, do
[35:42] Speaker 1: you have any idea of how big the group.
[35:46] Speaker 2: Of apes.
[35:48] Speaker 1: Is in that area, if there's males, females and juveniles,
[35:52] Speaker 1: or are there maybe multiple groups? Do you have any
[35:54] Speaker 1: information about that that you've gathered.
[35:59] Speaker 2: So, I don't know. I'm sure at some point somebody's
[36:01] Speaker 2: made a guess on that. As far as the number,
[36:04] Speaker 2: you know, back in our earlier days, we definitely saw
[36:09] Speaker 2: there were visuals of little ones, so I mean to me,
[36:12] Speaker 2: there's there's definitely a breeding population out here. It was
[36:17] Speaker 2: last summer, the summer before we were walking through an
[36:19] Speaker 2: area not too close to camp, but it wasn't too
[36:23] Speaker 2: far from where we used to do some research. And
[36:26] Speaker 2: I saw some really small what looked like human footprints
[36:29] Speaker 2: in the dirt. So if they're still breeding, yeah, it's
[36:32] Speaker 2: hard to tell. I don't know how large they get
[36:34] Speaker 2: if there's one alpha male and some juvenile. So I
[36:37] Speaker 2: mean we could be looking at five to ten. It's
[36:41] Speaker 2: hard to tell. Gotcha.
[36:44] Speaker 1: And you mentioned the gray individual, which that was something
[36:48] Speaker 1: where they were your organization was seeing the gray individual.
[36:51] Speaker 1: I mean years before twenty twenty two as well, right, correct.
[36:59] Speaker 2: Correct, know if it's the same gray individual, we don't
[37:02] Speaker 2: know if that's a color phase that they get get
[37:05] Speaker 2: to when they're older like we do. But yeah, there
[37:08] Speaker 2: were two people that saw this that look like the
[37:10] Speaker 2: hind the hind end of a very large, gray, hairy
[37:14] Speaker 2: animal busting through the woods, busting into the brush. And
[37:17] Speaker 2: that was probably a couple of years ago, two three
[37:19] Speaker 2: years ago. But yeah, we've difficult gray which was I
[37:29] Speaker 2: think all the nine feet from what some people are saying.
[37:31] Speaker 2: But we've seen other gray individuals apparently out there. I
[37:34] Speaker 2: think we had a sighting of two gray individuals at
[37:36] Speaker 2: the same time one year.
[37:39] Speaker 1: Was that uh pre five years or post or after
[37:43] Speaker 1: the five year mark?
[37:44] Speaker 2: Pre? Yeah, okay, gotcha.
[37:51] Speaker 1: Has there been a time when let's say you have
[37:57] Speaker 1: someone that's new to the organization, they come down for
[38:00] Speaker 1: their first time to aria X and they are just
[38:04] Speaker 1: they are shook up, and it's like, I don't know
[38:07] Speaker 1: if this guy is going to even return after what
[38:10] Speaker 1: he experienced. Has there been anything like that that's happened
[38:13] Speaker 1: in the last five years or not.
[38:15] Speaker 2: Not in the last five years where it's been like that.
[38:16] Speaker 2: We have had some people suddenly just decided not to
[38:21] Speaker 2: go in anymore, and they just they don't want to
[38:23] Speaker 2: talk about it or say why, and we're not going
[38:25] Speaker 2: to push it. So I don't know if it's something
[38:27] Speaker 2: that was seen down there. We've had people go down
[38:32] Speaker 2: there and it wasn't like you know, Mike Mays's book
[38:37] Speaker 2: It's fantastic and whoa, This wasn't like the book at all.
[38:40] Speaker 2: You know, I didn't see anything this weekend, and so
[38:42] Speaker 2: they were they didn't want to come back either, so
[38:46] Speaker 2: kind of opposite, kind of interesting. But I've been in
[38:49] Speaker 2: there with a couple of folks that it was their
[38:51] Speaker 2: first time and they were, you know, rightfully I say, scared,
[38:58] Speaker 2: but just just cautious. And I think those first couple
[39:02] Speaker 2: couple of nights, you have to let them know what
[39:04] Speaker 2: certain sounds are. So I had to be told that
[39:07] Speaker 2: as well. What is that That's a frog? We don't
[39:10] Speaker 2: have frogs like that where I'm from, So you have
[39:13] Speaker 2: to learn the land a little bit. After two three days,
[39:15] Speaker 2: they kind of settled down and they've swall in love
[39:18] Speaker 2: with it. It's as scary as some of the nights were.
[39:22] Speaker 2: They fell in love with it. So I haven't had
[39:24] Speaker 2: anybody refuse to come back because they were too scared
[39:27] Speaker 2: in the last five years.
[39:28] Speaker 1: Gotcha, Have there been any individuals that have experienced anything
[39:33] Speaker 1: like infrasound? Is that a thing that ever comes up
[39:37] Speaker 1: down there or.
[39:41] Speaker 2: We've we've talked about it. I don't know if any
[39:43] Speaker 2: incident that where we can point that as a possible
[39:48] Speaker 2: explanations of what we had. It's it's hard to tell. Yeah,
[39:53] Speaker 2: I've heard about it and we have discussed it, but
[39:56] Speaker 2: nothing that we've nothing that we've been able to in
[40:00] Speaker 2: point that's possibly what that was. Gotcha.
[40:05] Speaker 1: You know one thing I'm I'm a fan of and
[40:09] Speaker 1: I've seen you guys have come out with a few episodes,
[40:12] Speaker 1: is are there any plans to come out with more
[40:14] Speaker 1: episodes of the UH, the podcast that is put out
[40:18] Speaker 1: by the UH, the N A W A C.
[40:20] Speaker 2: Definitely, So myself and Dusty kind of decided we needed
[40:23] Speaker 2: to we had a little bit more time. I don't well,
[40:26] Speaker 2: I can't speak for Dusty, but we're going to at
[40:28] Speaker 2: least try to get this back on the on the
[40:30] Speaker 2: on the ground. You know, when you've got a full
[40:33] Speaker 2: time job, that's a that's a tough gig to sometimes
[40:36] Speaker 2: wrangle together. But we have we have a whole lineup
[40:40] Speaker 2: of different shows that we are going to do when
[40:41] Speaker 2: you start getting those put out here, whether we do
[40:44] Speaker 2: one a month when every other month, I just you know,
[40:46] Speaker 2: sometimes it got backed up to where it was a
[40:48] Speaker 2: couple of years and it's it's a lot of work.
[40:51] Speaker 2: So but yes, absolutely we are bringing the podcast back
[40:55] Speaker 2: and so that is awesome.
[41:00] Speaker 1: That's that's really good to hear. Always a nice surprise
[41:03] Speaker 1: when you see something come out from from that feed.
[41:07] Speaker 1: There's been some really good interviews that you guys have
[41:11] Speaker 1: have put out. Can you talk a little bit about
[41:18] Speaker 1: Let's say there's someone listening and they have you know,
[41:23] Speaker 1: they've listened to this, they've listened to other interviews, they've
[41:25] Speaker 1: read the book, from Michael, and they're like, man, I
[41:31] Speaker 1: would want to try to get involved. Can you talk
[41:35] Speaker 1: a little bit about what kind of individuals the organization
[41:38] Speaker 1: is currently looking for and in the process of how
[41:42] Speaker 1: one would apply for that.
[41:45] Speaker 2: Sure, So, I mean definitely it can be difficult to
[41:50] Speaker 2: do in a in just an application setting, but we
[41:53] Speaker 2: want someone that comes on board that knows much as
[41:57] Speaker 2: much about our organization as possible. So, uh, you know,
[42:01] Speaker 2: information in print and podcasts for whatever. We want to
[42:06] Speaker 2: know that you know, people have read or listened or
[42:10] Speaker 2: you know, they're participating somewhere to get some knowledge, because
[42:13] Speaker 2: we want them to know what in a way, what
[42:14] Speaker 2: they're getting into what we're all about. And whenever you
[42:18] Speaker 2: join a group, there's some assimilation process and and we
[42:22] Speaker 2: have you know, like what works for us, and so
[42:25] Speaker 2: we do have times to meet meet up, but that
[42:27] Speaker 2: first step is the application, and it's you know, I
[42:31] Speaker 2: know there are questions on there about law enforcement or
[42:36] Speaker 2: military background and things like that, and that certainly doesn't
[42:39] Speaker 2: disqualify somebody if they don't have that. I don't have that,
[42:43] Speaker 2: but we're just one of the big things is are
[42:45] Speaker 2: you are you willing to come out? And that could
[42:47] Speaker 2: be a difficult thing for people based on location. It's
[42:49] Speaker 2: you know, we're not all over the country. We're in
[42:51] Speaker 2: one little spot in Oklahoma. But can you do it
[42:56] Speaker 2: once a year, you know, if you're willing to put
[42:59] Speaker 2: boots on the ground and willing to learn and willing
[43:03] Speaker 2: to take feedback, maybe criticism. We've had a lot of
[43:07] Speaker 2: top notch folks in the organization, but you know, it's important,
[43:12] Speaker 2: especially out in the middle of nowhere for a week,
[43:14] Speaker 2: that you're a team player. You know, how to get
[43:15] Speaker 2: along with others and follow direction and things like that.
[43:18] Speaker 2: So and then after, you know, after the application process,
[43:24] Speaker 2: we have an associate member level ships so they have
[43:27] Speaker 2: access to, you know, certain things on the on the website,
[43:32] Speaker 2: on the discussion boards, and we have a training camp
[43:35] Speaker 2: in the spring, and then we have a retreat for
[43:38] Speaker 2: members and family in the fall. It's a great time
[43:41] Speaker 2: to not only get to know each other, but to
[43:44] Speaker 2: ask questions and you know, pick people's brain and and
[43:48] Speaker 2: and just a chance for them to get to know you.
[43:51] Speaker 2: And and then that's that's how you would make that
[43:54] Speaker 2: the the research level where we say okay, so now
[43:57] Speaker 2: you're able to get in and come down to area
[44:00] Speaker 2: X with us and help us figure this out.
[44:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's definitely a good way to make
[44:05] Speaker 1: sure that the right people are in that area and
[44:09] Speaker 1: not sneaking in as it as it were. I mean,
[44:12] Speaker 1: that's that's quite the uh uh. It's really a pretty
[44:16] Speaker 1: intense vetting process, but but a good one.
[44:18] Speaker 2: So yeah, And it can be difficult to do with
[44:21] Speaker 2: times because I mean, not everyone's going to be a fit.
[44:25] Speaker 2: Even you can be passionate about the subject, but you know,
[44:28] Speaker 2: it's we have our our our ideas and how we
[44:32] Speaker 2: want to do things, and some people get in there
[44:34] Speaker 2: and even after a year or so, they're like, it's
[44:37] Speaker 2: not exactly what I thought, and they just go their
[44:39] Speaker 2: own way, you know, and we're still friends and whatever.
[44:43] Speaker 2: But it's it's, yeah, it's amazing how many people like,
[44:47] Speaker 2: oh that sounds cool. I'm just gonna submit my name
[44:50] Speaker 2: and they're just gonna bring me right on board. It's like,
[44:52] Speaker 2: so what if you what do you know about us? Nothing?
[44:54] Speaker 2: I heard you on such and such podcast. Well, do
[44:58] Speaker 2: a little research, read up on us, make sure you're
[45:01] Speaker 2: align with what we're doing. And yeah, so Mas, your application,
[45:08] Speaker 2: the initial time of being in camp and having a
[45:10] Speaker 2: rock thrown at you. It is interesting. But it was
[45:13] Speaker 2: that next two months later when the sighting occurred. That
[45:18] Speaker 2: was one of the busiest weeks. But I always say busy,
[45:22] Speaker 2: just it was so much was happening. They got to
[45:24] Speaker 2: the point we'd be seeing in camp and rocks should
[45:26] Speaker 2: just be landing in camp, and it just you didn't
[45:29] Speaker 2: even look anymore. It was to the point where, like,
[45:33] Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know who's doing it back there,
[45:34] Speaker 2: but these rocks are just a keep coming in. We
[45:36] Speaker 2: were laughing about it. But a valuable lesson that I
[45:40] Speaker 2: learned was, and I've been told this from other group members,
[45:45] Speaker 2: you know, not everything out there is bigfoot, right, so
[45:48] Speaker 2: you still have to look with a you know, an
[45:51] Speaker 2: objective lens through everything, at everything. And we had just
[45:55] Speaker 2: gotten back from the outing where we had the sighting,
[45:59] Speaker 2: and right after that we had two bears come into camp,
[46:02] Speaker 2: which I'm not fond of bears either, so that was
[46:04] Speaker 2: a great afternoon for me. Got rid of the bears,
[46:08] Speaker 2: and then we started hearing this little knock, like a
[46:11] Speaker 2: little almost sounded like a rock on rock, which is
[46:15] Speaker 2: said light tapping, and so one of the guys decided
[46:18] Speaker 2: to mimic it. And it kept going and back. We
[46:21] Speaker 2: do one, they do one, we do two, they do two,
[46:24] Speaker 2: and our eyes well popped out of our head. So
[46:26] Speaker 2: I took over the tapping while our friend decided to
[46:29] Speaker 2: get the scope out and look up. It was up
[46:31] Speaker 2: on the little hill behind the cabin. And finally he
[46:35] Speaker 2: motions to me to follow my look and just look
[46:38] Speaker 2: up into that tree and there's a woodpecker not making
[46:41] Speaker 2: the noises. So I wanted him dead because I was
[46:47] Speaker 2: thinking I was communicating with, you know, some hate. But
[46:50] Speaker 2: I realized, perfect example, perfect humbling experience of not evening
[46:54] Speaker 2: out here that you can't you know, sounds weird or odd?
[46:58] Speaker 2: Is Bigfoot? It's the you know, the rock's coming into camp.
[47:02] Speaker 2: I'm like trying to figure that out because we are
[47:04] Speaker 2: near a hill, but no, these things are landing. They're
[47:07] Speaker 2: not rolling, They're landing, and I don't know what's doing that.
[47:10] Speaker 2: And we have that metal hoots you've probably heard about too,
[47:12] Speaker 2: where it's kind of a pull through cardboard and when
[47:17] Speaker 2: you know, stuff hits that, we just have to check it.
[47:19] Speaker 2: Because you could sit there and go, that was a
[47:21] Speaker 2: rock and then you look up there and I unlet's
[47:23] Speaker 2: it bounced off. That's why we keep the whole area
[47:26] Speaker 2: clean around it. We sweep the roof. It's pickery nuts,
[47:30] Speaker 2: but every one in a while you get rocks that
[47:32] Speaker 2: are coming out there. So the cabin slat, though, for me,
[47:36] Speaker 2: I think was probably the weirdest. Two thirty in the morning,
[47:42] Speaker 2: laying on the bottom bunk and just something right behind me,
[47:44] Speaker 2: right where my backside was just smacked the cabin and
[47:49] Speaker 2: I looked at my you know, the guy on the
[47:51] Speaker 2: other bottom cabin, and I don't know what that was.
[47:54] Speaker 2: So we sat, we listened, We didn't hear any other noises.
[47:58] Speaker 2: And two nights later, the exact same time, on the
[48:02] Speaker 2: other wall, the opposite wall smack happened. So I've never
[48:06] Speaker 2: experienced anything like that. That was that was interesting. After
[48:10] Speaker 2: that one, we kind of busted that see what could
[48:12] Speaker 2: we see, Grab the thermals, grab the white lights. Didn't
[48:16] Speaker 2: see any thing, but that was definitely an interesting night.
[48:20] Speaker 2: And that was right after we'd had a power knock
[48:22] Speaker 2: I think earlier that day. So what started as a
[48:28] Speaker 2: pretty quiet week ended at pretty busy. That was July
[48:30] Speaker 2: of twenty three. I've heard about the cabin slaps, and
[48:33] Speaker 2: I've heard of other you know other strange loud noises. Now,
[48:38] Speaker 2: the first that week when we had the two of us,
[48:41] Speaker 2: the three of us there, we have the sighting. They
[48:44] Speaker 2: had some pretty good hearing. I had to really learned
[48:46] Speaker 2: to adjust my city hearing to the woods. But at
[48:50] Speaker 2: one night there was besides a howl off the distance,
[48:54] Speaker 2: they heard a loud It said it sounded like a
[48:59] Speaker 2: Volkswagen being dropped from a cliff, just this loud crash.
[49:02] Speaker 2: And we searched all the next day to kind of
[49:04] Speaker 2: figure out if we could find what possibly that could
[49:07] Speaker 2: have been, but we never came up with anything. The
[49:13] Speaker 2: other odd thing that started that week off. So the
[49:15] Speaker 2: gentleman that had the sighting, he had been there the
[49:17] Speaker 2: week four, so he was there two weeks in a row.
[49:20] Speaker 2: And so when we finally pulled in the camp and said, hey,
[49:23] Speaker 2: just to let you know, the last two teams that
[49:25] Speaker 2: have come in here, within thirty minutes, there's been a
[49:28] Speaker 2: tree knocked over in that field over there, all right,
[49:32] Speaker 2: So we just sat under the hooch and just relaxed
[49:34] Speaker 2: a little bit, and thirty two minutes after arriving, the
[49:37] Speaker 2: tree got pushed over and the one of the gentlemen
[49:43] Speaker 2: was with us. He's really good at pinpointing where sounds
[49:45] Speaker 2: are coming from. So that's about three hundred yards that way.
[49:47] Speaker 2: So we looked and we found a pushed over tree
[49:50] Speaker 2: looked pretty fresh. What we found also in that area
[49:54] Speaker 2: is in on the ash trees only up about seven
[49:59] Speaker 2: six seven feet eight feet maybe somewhere in that were
[50:02] Speaker 2: marks on the tree where it's been hit. So we're
[50:05] Speaker 2: wondering maybe that's where the knocks because they do have
[50:07] Speaker 2: a different sound on the ash trees than they did
[50:08] Speaker 2: on some of the other ones. So and it was
[50:10] Speaker 2: facing our camp, so you could knock the tree and
[50:13] Speaker 2: look right at us, and I got assuming watch what
[50:16] Speaker 2: we were doing. But that was an interesting week. I
[50:18] Speaker 2: learned a lot of interesting things. Learned not to sit back,
[50:24] Speaker 2: and you know, anything could happen anytime. I think this
[50:27] Speaker 2: is what came out of that week for me.
[50:30] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, are you guys? Do you have audio rolling
[50:33] Speaker 1: right when you arrive in the area.
[50:37] Speaker 2: So we you know, that's one thing we need to
[50:39] Speaker 2: invest in is just to have team. You know, everyone
[50:42] Speaker 2: has individual recordings and some are really really good about
[50:45] Speaker 2: having that out constantly, and otherwise some of us will
[50:50] Speaker 2: just do it at night over overnight. But yeah, I
[50:52] Speaker 2: think that's something we need to just have running constantly.
[50:57] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean you could because you could have
[51:00] Speaker 1: something like I mean, I'm sure there's times when people
[51:03] Speaker 1: aren't in Area X, and I mean you could have
[51:07] Speaker 1: something like wildlife acoustics type recorders for the times that
[51:12] Speaker 1: you're not there, but just like long term duration recorders.
[51:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then we get you know, I know,
[51:20] Speaker 2: you can look at that visually to see what you found,
[51:23] Speaker 2: but you're going to find somebody that's gonna sit down
[51:25] Speaker 2: and do all that too. But I agree, and I
[51:29] Speaker 2: think that's where we've gotten you know, some of our
[51:31] Speaker 2: audio as well, just having it out there. Yeah.
[51:35] Speaker 1: Absolutely, this question might be one of them where it's
[51:39] Speaker 1: better for the individual is going to talk more about
[51:41] Speaker 1: the trackway. But you did mention that there has been
[51:46] Speaker 1: hair found at certain times.
[51:49] Speaker 2: Is there any.
[51:53] Speaker 1: Anything going on where that hair is being analyzed or
[51:57] Speaker 1: DNA tested or anything like that, Not.
[52:01] Speaker 2: That I'm aware of at the moment. It's being preserved
[52:04] Speaker 2: until we can figure out there's there's different thoughts on
[52:08] Speaker 2: that too, but we need to find the right the
[52:10] Speaker 2: right place to do that. You know, some places you
[52:13] Speaker 2: send stuff off it's like, oh, it's not a you know,
[52:16] Speaker 2: I don't want to know what it isn't of course,
[52:18] Speaker 2: you can't really tell me what it is. I guess,
[52:20] Speaker 2: but sometimes we've gotten some odd in the past, we've
[52:23] Speaker 2: got some odd responses with blood that we've had tested.
[52:26] Speaker 2: So at this point I think we're hanging on to
[52:28] Speaker 2: it so we can determine exactly where we want to
[52:31] Speaker 2: send that. But I don't believe that that could be wrong.
[52:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it, especially when you have evidence like that,
[52:41] Speaker 1: you just don't want to have a disappear on you.
[52:43] Speaker 1: And yeah, I know there's a there's a pretty good
[52:48] Speaker 1: uh as a gentleman. I've talked to you from North Carolina.
[52:51] Speaker 1: He's got a pretty good DNA study going on right now.
[52:54] Speaker 1: His name is Derby or cut. Oh, but that's that's
[52:58] Speaker 1: that's very interesting. It'll be cool to hear, you know,
[53:01] Speaker 1: maybe in the future if you guys are able to
[53:06] Speaker 1: analyze those somehow, or even has anyone taken like a
[53:10] Speaker 1: high powered microscope to them to see if they can
[53:14] Speaker 1: see like the modula of the hair at.
[53:16] Speaker 2: All or I don't know if they have. That's a
[53:19] Speaker 2: great question. Yeah, that would be another really good look at. Yeah.
[53:23] Speaker 1: Absolutely, wow. It's great to hear that things are still
[53:28] Speaker 1: progressing at this area in southeast Oklahoma where you know,
[53:35] Speaker 1: it's not known where the exact area is, but it
[53:38] Speaker 1: is somewhere down there in southeast Oklahoma in an extremely
[53:41] Speaker 1: active area. And it's been i mean, the organization has
[53:45] Speaker 1: been there, is it twenty plus years now?
[53:48] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[53:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's wild. It's absolutely wild to think about.
[53:52] Speaker 1: It's probably the longest that's probably the longest duration that
[53:58] Speaker 1: organization has focused on one area for for Bigfoot, I
[54:02] Speaker 1: would imagine.
[54:04] Speaker 2: I would think, so, you know, and this is where
[54:05] Speaker 2: I tend to feel that inadequacy where you know, I've
[54:09] Speaker 2: been in the organization for five or six years, and
[54:13] Speaker 2: and the giants that have come before us, you know
[54:16] Speaker 2: that that did all these this leg work and had
[54:18] Speaker 2: spent the time in the field. It's like, you know,
[54:21] Speaker 2: they they've done tons that we're just so thankful for.
[54:24] Speaker 2: And so but you know, we got to have he said,
[54:29] Speaker 2: boots on the ground, and my boots are willing to
[54:31] Speaker 2: get out there. So I've I've learned to I've learned
[54:37] Speaker 2: to love going out there. I actually had a great
[54:39] Speaker 2: fear of traveling by myself. I didn't like it. I
[54:42] Speaker 2: had a lot of anxiety and now I can't I
[54:45] Speaker 2: can't count how any trips I've made Oklahoma just between
[54:48] Speaker 2: research and training camps and together. So I absolutely love it.
[54:55] Speaker 2: It's my second home. So very cool.
[54:58] Speaker 1: Well, it has been it's been a privilege to have
[55:02] Speaker 1: you on the show and talking about any wac are
[55:06] Speaker 1: there any I want to make sure that you were
[55:08] Speaker 1: able to share everything that you had come to the
[55:11] Speaker 1: show to share today. Just to not cut you off.
[55:15] Speaker 2: No, no, no, I had a little list of ongoing operations. Oh,
[55:20] Speaker 2: I guess one of the other things that we have
[55:22] Speaker 2: asked it's because we haven't had a podcast really don't
[55:27] Speaker 2: give a chance to advertise it. But for people to
[55:29] Speaker 2: have had encounter, it's kind of like how you heard
[55:31] Speaker 2: about and getting in touch with us is we've had
[55:35] Speaker 2: people outreach us in the past that maybe have asked
[55:38] Speaker 2: for help or asked us to look we have a
[55:40] Speaker 2: member in that area, because we do have members all
[55:42] Speaker 2: over the country. If there's anything we can do to
[55:45] Speaker 2: help out, we can. So we do ask that people
[55:47] Speaker 2: submit encounter reports. We do keep our own list of
[55:50] Speaker 2: account reports that we go through. Not saying is very
[55:53] Speaker 2: often that we're going to be able to respond if
[55:54] Speaker 2: somebody feels like they need help with something. Usually they
[55:56] Speaker 2: just want to let us know, hey, I saw this
[55:58] Speaker 2: and this is what happened. But pretty much all over
[56:03] Speaker 2: the country be getting reports, so we encourage people to
[56:04] Speaker 2: continue to do that as well.
[56:06] Speaker 1: So that's awesome. Yeah, whatape dot org correct, Yes, yeah,
[56:12] Speaker 1: So it's a great website. If you want to hear
[56:16] Speaker 1: some of the best collected Bigfoot related audio, go to
[56:21] Speaker 1: that website. There's also really intense papers to read about
[56:25] Speaker 1: prior research, and then it's a really good database of
[56:30] Speaker 1: citing reports that you can read through too, So definitely
[56:33] Speaker 1: worth checking out. But then that's also where you would,
[56:38] Speaker 1: you know, look into if you're wanting to try to
[56:42] Speaker 1: apply for the the organization, that's where you could do
[56:45] Speaker 1: that as well. But Rick, Rick, thank you so much
[56:49] Speaker 1: for coming on the show. It's been great getting an
[56:51] Speaker 1: update from the NAWAC. Hopefully I'll be able to maybe
[56:56] Speaker 1: talk to some other individuals in the future, But thank
[56:59] Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the show today.
[57:01] Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Thank you so much for having us appreciate it.
[57:05] Speaker 1: Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity
[57:08] Speaker 1: around Oakridge, Oregon, and you think to yourself, Man, I
[57:11] Speaker 1: would love to get out in those woods and experience
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[57:37] Speaker 1: I'll probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you
[57:43] Speaker 1: haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well,
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[59:10] Speaker 1: you at the booth in Oakridish this year. We can
[59:14] Speaker 1: talk about your encounter. Was able to talk to so
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[59:20] Speaker 1: an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it,
[59:23] Speaker 1: and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode,
[59:28] Speaker 1: I want to say something directly to a very specific
[59:30] Speaker 1: group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch
[59:34] Speaker 1: or forces, and if you've seen something that no one
[59:37] Speaker 1: can explain, or if you're a National Park ranger or
[59:40] Speaker 1: forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if
[59:44] Speaker 1: you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground,
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