# Bailey Sarian Has a Hollywood Ghost

An episode of [Ghosted! by Roz Hernandez](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1450864418), 8 Dec 2025, 1 h 10 min.

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Roz is elated for the return of the ICONIC Bailey Sarian, host of Murder, Mystery, and Makeup. It's time for tea AND terror as they discuss Bailey’s haunted house, vampires, and the even darker side of Ed and Lorraine Warren! Want to share YOUR paranormal experience on the podcast? Email your *short* stories to GhostedByRoz@gmail.com and maybe Roz will read it out loud on the show... or even call you! Be sure to follow the show @GhostedByRoz on Instagram. Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3WwYCsr See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:07] Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spooky, Joky.
[0:12] Speaker 1: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait
[0:15] Speaker 1: a minute, he I'm ghosted. I gos nandas p. Hey boo,
[0:28] Speaker 1: it's me Ros and welcome to Ghosted by Ros Hernandez,
[0:34] Speaker 1: the podcast where I talk to people that I like
[0:37] Speaker 1: about the paranormal. Y'all. Bailey Sarian is on the pod.
[0:45] Speaker 1: She was on years ago, and you know, it was
[0:50] Speaker 1: so long ago that I'm like, let's just hear her
[0:53] Speaker 1: stories again. I remembered as she was telling me. But
[0:57] Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know, some of these old episod
[1:01] Speaker 1: I reference certain things like my Patreon that I used
[1:05] Speaker 1: to have and that doesn't exist anymore, and so people
[1:07] Speaker 1: are constantly like, I want to see that's listen. I
[1:11] Speaker 1: love when people go back and listen to old episodes,
[1:13] Speaker 1: but you do have to keep in mind that, like
[1:15] Speaker 1: they are old, so some things have changed. So we're
[1:18] Speaker 1: kind of doing a do over years later, and she's
[1:21] Speaker 1: got new ghost stories. And of course, you know Bailey Sarian,
[1:26] Speaker 1: she's huge on YouTube, murder, mystery and makeup. I mean,
[1:32] Speaker 1: she's she's just everything I love. She's so cool and
[1:36] Speaker 1: people are constantly trying to tell me that she needs
[1:39] Speaker 1: to come on this pod. So I'm so happy it
[1:41] Speaker 1: worked out and she brought it. You're gonna love it. First,
[1:46] Speaker 1: let's get into a ghost story. This one is from James,
[1:51] Speaker 1: a listener who sent me an email. James writes, my
[1:55] Speaker 1: sister lives in this house and it was very haunted.
[2:00] Speaker 1: She had ghost investigators come and they caught a lot
[2:03] Speaker 1: of EVPs. One EVP said there were eight people present
[2:08] Speaker 1: in the house and some pictures of orbs have faces
[2:11] Speaker 1: in them. I used to come and watch my nephew
[2:14] Speaker 1: when he was a baby with my partner at the time.
[2:18] Speaker 1: We would be sitting in the living room and hear
[2:20] Speaker 1: someone walking above us back and forth, and I knew
[2:23] Speaker 1: we were alone. My nephew would also stare at the
[2:28] Speaker 1: stairs that went upstairs all the time and make baby noises,
[2:32] Speaker 1: and we freaked out once when a lady coughed close
[2:36] Speaker 1: to my ear because he heard it too. I thought
[2:40] Speaker 1: it was the baby monitor just picking up a random
[2:43] Speaker 1: cell phone, but we could not figure out where that
[2:47] Speaker 1: would have come from. One night we were over there
[2:51] Speaker 1: and we caught odd orbs on our phone cameras and
[2:56] Speaker 1: my phone for some reason died suddenly, so I was
[3:00] Speaker 1: using his I'm assuming James is talking here about his
[3:06] Speaker 1: partner at the time. Okay, so James Lice, I was
[3:11] Speaker 1: alone and suddenly, as I went to take a picture
[3:15] Speaker 1: on his partner at the times phone, the Scruff app
[3:20] Speaker 1: appeared with a message where my partner had been talking
[3:24] Speaker 1: to someone. Okay, hang on, if you don't know Scruff,
[3:26] Speaker 1: it's one of these like Grinder gay hookup apps. Okay.
[3:30] Speaker 1: I stood there stunned because I thought this was a
[3:33] Speaker 1: monogamous relationship, and to think I wasted seven years of
[3:36] Speaker 1: my life. I confronted him, and of course he got
[3:39] Speaker 1: mad and blamed me for going through his phone, which
[3:42] Speaker 1: was not the case because I trusted him and I
[3:45] Speaker 1: was just using the camera. He had other issues too,
[3:49] Speaker 1: because he was also very narcissistic and abusive. Okay, well,
[3:52] Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but this that's for another podcast. James writes. Anyway,
[3:57] Speaker 1: we are not together anymore, but I believe that the
[4:00] Speaker 1: spirit in the house knew he was a bad person
[4:03] Speaker 1: and had his phone glitch to show me what he
[4:06] Speaker 1: had been up to. She has since had a priest
[4:09] Speaker 1: come over because she was attacked by some shadow thing
[4:13] Speaker 1: leaving claw marks on her sheets, and he threw holy
[4:17] Speaker 1: water everywhere and blessed it, and since then all the
[4:20] Speaker 1: ghosts went away. Wow, James, that is uh something I
[4:26] Speaker 1: would love to think that the ghost in your sister's
[4:29] Speaker 1: house busted your partner at the time. Damn this juicy.
[4:36] Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing. I appreciate that. Speaking of Scruff and
[4:41] Speaker 1: Grinder and that sort of thing, you know, I do
[4:43] Speaker 1: do these videos on YouTube which are essentially a low
[4:46] Speaker 1: budget ghost hunting reality show that I do completely by myself.
[4:51] Speaker 1: It's called ros Hernandez The Haunted Doll, and I meet
[4:54] Speaker 1: guys on Grinder that joined me to go ghost hunting,
[4:58] Speaker 1: and I have been posting quite consistently. I'm very proud
[5:01] Speaker 1: of myself, and I have filmed multiple There is a
[5:06] Speaker 1: new one that has recently just come out, so go
[5:09] Speaker 1: look at it. Tell me what you think. I'm so
[5:11] Speaker 1: happy that so many people have been watching and enjoying.
[5:14] Speaker 1: And you know, if you keep watching, I'll keep making them.
[5:17] Speaker 1: So that's just called The Haunted Doll ros Hernandez The
[5:20] Speaker 1: Haunted Doll on YouTube. Okay, speaking of YouTube, we've got
[5:27] Speaker 1: the icon of YouTube. Bailey Sarian on with this show.
[5:37] Speaker 1: Oh my god, high Hi, you're back. I am. You
[5:42] Speaker 1: were on this like so long ago?
[5:45] Speaker 2: Was it COVID?
[5:46] Speaker 1: I think it was COVID because I remember I was
[5:50] Speaker 1: I was doing my makeup when I was talking to you,
[5:52] Speaker 1: and I was in my living room, so it was
[5:54] Speaker 1: definitely like a long time ago.
[5:56] Speaker 2: We were in the studio, Yeah, definitely, And I was
[5:58] Speaker 2: excited to meet you in person.
[6:00] Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't believe it.
[6:02] Speaker 2: Yourself, clamorous, thank you.
[6:06] Speaker 1: You're everything I love like glamor, spooky, weirdness, funny.
[6:12] Speaker 2: Weird, Yeah, yeah, sarcastic, yeah, cry Oh, dead inside a
[6:18] Speaker 2: little but like not but not Yeah.
[6:20] Speaker 1: No, I love that you're in touch with the dead
[6:23] Speaker 1: inside of you. But it's not. It's not like you're
[6:26] Speaker 1: you know, overwhelmed by it. No, you're not just like
[6:29] Speaker 1: dead inside. Some people are just dead inside. Yeah.
[6:33] Speaker 2: It's easy to get there though, especially with everything that's
[6:35] Speaker 2: going on. It's just how do you not feel dead inside? Sometimes?
[6:40] Speaker 1: No? I totally understand. Yeah, But you know what's so
[6:43] Speaker 1: weird is like, as the world is so horrible, I
[6:47] Speaker 1: enjoy the more morbid things, like I enjoy morbid, creepy
[6:52] Speaker 1: all that stuff. So much more like I don't know why, but.
[6:56] Speaker 2: Well, same here.
[6:57] Speaker 1: But it's like but the world is already fucked up,
[7:00] Speaker 1: but I'm just like, tell me about a cannibal.
[7:04] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm like make it worse. Ye, Like everything
[7:06] Speaker 2: is awful, but like, let me make it worse and
[7:09] Speaker 2: like find something even more awful.
[7:10] Speaker 1: But somehow it makes me feel better.
[7:12] Speaker 2: Yes, exactly exactly.
[7:14] Speaker 1: We were just talking about estate sales before we started recording,
[7:19] Speaker 1: because you got that incredible vintage Vivian Westwood jacket. I
[7:24] Speaker 1: don't know if.
[7:25] Speaker 2: It's vintage vintage. I don't know what year, like where
[7:27] Speaker 2: to place it, but it was I found it at
[7:29] Speaker 2: the estate sale.
[7:30] Speaker 1: Well it was at least a year old. That's vintage.
[7:33] Speaker 2: Oh right, I don't know if it was ever worn,
[7:36] Speaker 2: but I put it on.
[7:37] Speaker 1: It was brand now I know.
[7:39] Speaker 2: I was like, it's made for me. I have to
[7:40] Speaker 2: have this.
[7:41] Speaker 1: I love an estate sale so much too. Well, first
[7:44] Speaker 1: of all, I always want to know everything about who
[7:46] Speaker 1: the person. Like I go in there and I'm it's
[7:48] Speaker 1: like it's not a crime scene, but it's like I'm
[7:51] Speaker 1: like putting the pieces together. I'm like, Okay, there's a
[7:53] Speaker 1: photo over there of like an older lady. I wonder
[7:56] Speaker 1: who she was. Oh, now, all this stuff over here,
[7:58] Speaker 1: says Nancy on it case, so we know her name
[8:00] Speaker 1: was Nancy. We know she lived in Glendale.
[8:03] Speaker 2: Okay, if I do the same exact thing, I start
[8:05] Speaker 2: like trying to put the pieces together of like who
[8:07] Speaker 2: is this person?
[8:08] Speaker 1: Because I don't tell you all a lot a lot
[8:10] Speaker 1: of the time.
[8:11] Speaker 2: No, it's kind of weirdier in someone's house just buying
[8:13] Speaker 2: all their stuff. But I love it because I'm a
[8:16] Speaker 2: little bit of a voyeur. Is that it voyeurvoyeuristic? I
[8:20] Speaker 2: love just like peeping in on how people live, what
[8:23] Speaker 2: does their house look like, what do they read, what's
[8:25] Speaker 2: on their bookshelves? You know, like what I love it.
[8:29] Speaker 1: I went with a friend one time that was opening
[8:31] Speaker 1: up the cupboards and not like she's like open up
[8:35] Speaker 1: the fridge because she was like, I wonder if this
[8:37] Speaker 1: is like for sale and there was like expired food
[8:40] Speaker 1: in there, and I'm just like, did the person First
[8:43] Speaker 1: of all, It doesn't mean that they died, not all
[8:45] Speaker 1: the time, but that's usually what I must do. Made.
[8:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes it's just people like a divorce and they're
[8:52] Speaker 2: just trying to get rid of everything. Sure, or they're
[8:54] Speaker 2: moving cross country out of the country, so they're just
[8:58] Speaker 2: trying to get rid of everything. And I love that
[9:00] Speaker 2: because it's like any price they'll take usually, but if
[9:04] Speaker 2: it's like someone who's passed on and it's very expensive pieces,
[9:09] Speaker 2: then that's when they get out of hand, and it's.
[9:11] Speaker 1: That's when they get a company to come in and they
[9:13] Speaker 1: start pricing everything for the estate. Yeah, of course.
[9:18] Speaker 2: So but we were talking like I felt like estate
[9:23] Speaker 2: sales were really really fun, and then you know, it
[9:26] Speaker 2: caught on with TikTok and social media, like going to
[9:28] Speaker 2: an estate sale, come with me, whatever, And I love that,
[9:32] Speaker 2: but it's also made it not as fun because now
[9:35] Speaker 2: just more people come.
[9:36] Speaker 1: Well, you know what I realized with thrift stores is
[9:39] Speaker 1: that Goodwill, if you donates a good Will everything good,
[9:43] Speaker 1: they pick through and put it on Goodwill dot com. Yeah,
[9:47] Speaker 1: so when you go into a good Will, now it's
[9:49] Speaker 1: just like the scraps that nobody wants.
[9:51] Speaker 2: Right, everything is like from Forever twenty one or H
[9:55] Speaker 2: and M. Yeah, and it's like stuff that is like
[9:58] Speaker 2: what are you how are you going to sell this?
[10:00] Speaker 2: As holes all over it, Like why are you even
[10:02] Speaker 2: selling it?
[10:02] Speaker 1: It's just a waste of time, don't even go yeah right, okay,
[10:06] Speaker 1: before they legally canceled this show for not being enough
[10:10] Speaker 1: about ghosts, I must ask you. So, the last time
[10:15] Speaker 1: I saw you, you had some you had an incredible
[10:19] Speaker 1: ghost story. I'm curious if there's been any in the
[10:22] Speaker 1: past few years. And wait, let's just recap because it's
[10:26] Speaker 1: been a long time. The world is completely different since then.
[10:30] Speaker 1: I've been like five different genders since then. Okay, tell
[10:34] Speaker 1: me your ghost.
[10:35] Speaker 2: Believes my beliefs.
[10:37] Speaker 1: Just where are you at? Like you you believe in ghosts? Yeah?
[10:41] Speaker 2: I do? I why not? Why not?
[10:45] Speaker 1: You know?
[10:45] Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I always have these moments of
[10:47] Speaker 2: like you wake up or I wake up, and I'm
[10:49] Speaker 2: like I'm alive and like my body's working, and you
[10:51] Speaker 2: think about how like intricate everything is. Yeah, and it's
[10:54] Speaker 2: like I don't even know how this works or why
[10:57] Speaker 2: I'm here. So why wouldn't there be like other things?
[11:01] Speaker 1: Oh interesting?
[11:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like this. Our bodies are alone, are insane.
[11:07] Speaker 2: I don't even understand how this would works. So why
[11:10] Speaker 2: wouldn't there be other things that I just don't understand
[11:13] Speaker 2: that works out there?
[11:14] Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, that's what I always tell myself
[11:16] Speaker 1: is like I'm kind of a dumb dumb when it
[11:18] Speaker 1: comes to like like one thing I always think about
[11:21] Speaker 1: is like the internet electricity, Like I couldn't tell you
[11:27] Speaker 1: how that works.
[11:28] Speaker 2: No, when you air drop something, I don't know what that.
[11:30] Speaker 1: How is that happening?
[11:31] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[11:32] Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't want to know. And
[11:34] Speaker 1: it's kind of fun not knowing.
[11:36] Speaker 2: It's fun not knowing. And even if it was explained
[11:38] Speaker 2: to me, I still don't quite understand it. It doesn't
[11:41] Speaker 2: make sense.
[11:42] Speaker 1: And that's what I think. When you die and all
[11:45] Speaker 1: of this stuff, it's like it's way more complicated than
[11:49] Speaker 1: even if somebody did explain it to us. It's like
[11:51] Speaker 1: we wouldn't be able to understand it because we can't
[11:53] Speaker 1: experience it until it's time.
[11:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we just don't have the vocabulary
[11:57] Speaker 2: to explain what happens or what like a ghost is
[12:02] Speaker 2: or aliens or anything like that. So it's not that
[12:04] Speaker 2: I'm not a believer. I believe in it. I believe
[12:08] Speaker 2: in it. Sure, I don't know why I'm hesitant because
[12:11] Speaker 2: I've had such weird experiences, but it's just like I
[12:14] Speaker 2: respect them I'm like, I respect you ghosts. Live your life. Yeah,
[12:17] Speaker 2: Like I'm not here to hurt you, don't hurt me,
[12:19] Speaker 2: and we're good. Yeah, we can live in harmony.
[12:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
[12:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the evil ghost Those ones freak me out.
[12:25] Speaker 2: And those ones like, don't get are you.
[12:27] Speaker 1: Talking about like demons or just like asshole ghosts?
[12:30] Speaker 2: Then more demon ghosts. Those to me, I don't get
[12:36] Speaker 2: because it's like, what are you so mad about? Just leave?
[12:38] Speaker 1: But that's their whole thing, Like they live for being evil, but.
[12:43] Speaker 2: In one spot, why don't they like travel? You got
[12:46] Speaker 2: the whole world. Why are you in someone's basement?
[12:49] Speaker 1: True, I don't get that, but if they like it,
[12:51] Speaker 1: they're I know.
[12:52] Speaker 2: So Okay. I live in a house now built in
[12:54] Speaker 2: the thirties, cute house. It's it looks like a little
[12:58] Speaker 2: snow white house. And I knew, well, I knew something
[13:01] Speaker 2: was up with this downstairs bathroom. There's just something there.
[13:04] Speaker 2: You just know it, and you can't explain it to anybody,
[13:07] Speaker 2: but if you felt it, you just know. So every
[13:10] Speaker 2: time I go buy this bathroom, I'm just like, Okay,
[13:13] Speaker 2: something's there. In the beginning, I would acknowledge it and
[13:15] Speaker 2: be like I see you leave me alone, and I'll
[13:18] Speaker 2: leave you alone. And it was fine. And I would
[13:21] Speaker 2: hear like little bangs in the middle of the night
[13:24] Speaker 2: and I would just brush it off. The lights would
[13:26] Speaker 2: flicker all the time, and it's just like, well, it's
[13:29] Speaker 2: bad wiring hose. Yeah, But every time I go buy
[13:33] Speaker 2: that bathroom, I don't know what it is, but it's
[13:37] Speaker 2: just it's dark. So I have this new technique now
[13:41] Speaker 2: where like if I'm coming home, because the sun goes
[13:44] Speaker 2: down a lot earlier now, so it gets dark at
[13:46] Speaker 2: like five. You know.
[13:47] Speaker 1: That happens every year, and I don't understand why this
[13:50] Speaker 1: year it is so daunting, right, But yes.
[13:54] Speaker 2: I think I'm afraid of the dark. I think I'm
[13:56] Speaker 2: not sure I am. So what I do now is
[13:59] Speaker 2: that I try to scare the ghost before the ghost
[14:01] Speaker 2: can scare me. So when I passed this bathroom, I'll
[14:04] Speaker 2: just go by and just yell. I'm like just at
[14:09] Speaker 2: the top of my lungs and it's such a relief
[14:12] Speaker 2: to just get like that scary feeling out and then
[14:16] Speaker 2: I feel better.
[14:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet that the demon in there is like, Okay,
[14:20] Speaker 1: this bitch is crazy.
[14:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, Like oh like.
[14:22] Speaker 1: That wouldn't even be fun. You had to scare her.
[14:25] Speaker 2: Right, So if like I'm scaring the ghost, I think
[14:27] Speaker 2: I feel like, Okay, I'm now in control. You can
[14:30] Speaker 2: live here, but you're not going to scare me. Okay,
[14:34] Speaker 2: that's my approach to this. To this guy, I think
[14:36] Speaker 2: it's a guy because I did the whole history of
[14:39] Speaker 2: the house, like who lived here whatever? And the bathroom
[14:42] Speaker 2: used to be a dark room.
[14:45] Speaker 1: Oh for like photos, Yeah.
[14:47] Speaker 2: I can't take pictures. And he would go downstairs in
[14:49] Speaker 2: his dark room, sure, because it is pitch black down there,
[14:52] Speaker 2: and it's just like, what is up with his room?
[14:54] Speaker 2: So I found out it was a dark room, which
[14:56] Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense, but I couldn't find anything
[14:59] Speaker 2: like weird did he die in the house. He was
[15:02] Speaker 2: like a big wig Hollywood guy. What era in the thirties?
[15:06] Speaker 2: Oh no, so I believe he I might be missed speaking,
[15:10] Speaker 2: but he like started sad okay, right, and then he
[15:16] Speaker 2: was an attorney for Reagan okay, And I was like okay, yeah, okay,
[15:23] Speaker 2: like ok And then I was going down the list
[15:25] Speaker 2: of like all these people he represented, and it was
[15:26] Speaker 2: a bunch of Hollywood stars and I was like, oh,
[15:29] Speaker 2: the thought of like all of them in the house
[15:31] Speaker 2: is a cool thought.
[15:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.
[15:33] Speaker 2: But it's just like I wonder what kind of conversations
[15:35] Speaker 2: were going down, Like what if these walls could speak?
[15:38] Speaker 1: Sure?
[15:39] Speaker 2: I wish. I wish ghosts could just like sit down
[15:41] Speaker 2: and have a conversation versus just being a ghost.
[15:44] Speaker 1: Get me in there, yeah, get me in there. I
[15:46] Speaker 1: got the tools, do you. I will get down in
[15:49] Speaker 1: that basement or where is this downstairs? Just downstairsir? Yeah,
[15:53] Speaker 1: I'll get in that bathroom and I'll figure out.
[15:55] Speaker 2: What's what William. Yes, Because a lot of these things
[15:59] Speaker 2: I watched, like the ghost Hunter stuff, I think, I
[16:03] Speaker 2: I don't. I think I hate watch it sometimes because
[16:07] Speaker 2: it's always the same where they come in and they'll
[16:09] Speaker 2: do all their bepp sure, and then did you hear that?
[16:14] Speaker 2: Did you hear that? Did you hear that? And think
[16:16] Speaker 2: that's it?
[16:17] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[16:18] Speaker 2: I want to sit down with the ghosts and be
[16:19] Speaker 2: like tell me everything.
[16:21] Speaker 1: Yes, that's me. I want the goss.
[16:25] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[16:28] Speaker 1: I just spent the whole weekend in San Francisco at
[16:31] Speaker 1: these haunted hotels.
[16:32] Speaker 2: Oh really?
[16:33] Speaker 1: Yes?
[16:33] Speaker 2: Which one?
[16:34] Speaker 1: Well? I did two that are right next door to
[16:36] Speaker 1: each other. One's called the Queen Anne and the other
[16:39] Speaker 1: ones called the Majestic, and they're both haunted by ladies.
[16:44] Speaker 1: Because I have a new rule that I don't like
[16:47] Speaker 1: ghost hunting men anymore, just because they're I don't like
[16:49] Speaker 1: invisible men like that. Just they weird me out. Okay,
[16:53] Speaker 1: So yeah, so it's just like me and the girls,
[16:55] Speaker 1: and yeah, I want to know everything. This one in
[16:59] Speaker 1: the Queen Ane Hotel, it's haunted by this lady, Mary Lake.
[17:03] Speaker 1: And she used to be the headmistress when it was
[17:06] Speaker 1: a girls' school and she got caught up in an
[17:11] Speaker 1: affair or some kind of sex scandal. Who knows what
[17:15] Speaker 1: the truth is. It was so long ago with this
[17:17] Speaker 1: local politician, and I'm like, girl, tell me everything.
[17:21] Speaker 2: Where's the book? Is there a hidden diary somewhere in
[17:24] Speaker 2: that window there?
[17:26] Speaker 1: I'll get a jackhammer, and well, I don't care, I'll
[17:31] Speaker 1: pay the fees.
[17:32] Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like women ghosts would be. They're not
[17:36] Speaker 2: as aggressive as the men typically. Yeah, at least in
[17:40] Speaker 2: the three ghosts that I think of experienced. But the
[17:44] Speaker 2: one I currently have I fully believe.
[17:46] Speaker 1: As a dude, Well, I like that your technique is working.
[17:49] Speaker 1: I think that's genius.
[17:51] Speaker 2: I don't know what else to do. I mean, I
[17:53] Speaker 2: would hand him a mop. Make yourself useful?
[17:56] Speaker 1: Well, if he's living there for free, That's what I'm saying.
[17:58] Speaker 2: And you're flickering my lights all the time anytime I
[18:01] Speaker 2: like bring something up, like jokingly, like is that you
[18:05] Speaker 2: the ghost? And then it'll flicker again. I'll be like
[18:08] Speaker 2: the gay But like, can you mop or something? Make
[18:12] Speaker 2: you like do my dishes? That'd be super up, Like
[18:14] Speaker 2: this could be a teamwork.
[18:15] Speaker 1: Listen, people all the time love to be like, well
[18:19] Speaker 1: it's their house at one point, and you you have
[18:22] Speaker 1: to co exist, and yeah, okay, okay, okay, but also
[18:26] Speaker 1: right now, this isn't their house anymore, right, and so
[18:31] Speaker 1: if they're going to be living here, squatting, frogging in
[18:36] Speaker 1: my home that I'm paying for, they better make themselves
[18:41] Speaker 1: a little bit useful.
[18:43] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
[18:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, if you can flick lights, you can put away
[18:48] Speaker 1: the groceries.
[18:49] Speaker 2: Okay, So you're the ghost queen.
[18:51] Speaker 1: So with that contrasts, I love that even better the
[18:54] Speaker 1: haunted doll.
[18:56] Speaker 2: So then let me ask you this because I don't
[18:57] Speaker 2: understand it. How come they don't leave? Why are they stuck?
[19:02] Speaker 1: I think there's a variety of reasons. I bet you
[19:06] Speaker 1: this guy. I mean, so what you said he was.
[19:09] Speaker 2: A lawyer, he was like he was he was a lawyer.
[19:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a lawyer. But like, yeah, this guy,
[19:15] Speaker 1: this is just my guess, this is just me projecting
[19:18] Speaker 1: and making shit up.
[19:19] Speaker 2: Okay, I like it.
[19:20] Speaker 1: He always wanted to be a photographer. He was always
[19:23] Speaker 1: around all of these really creative people, and he wanted
[19:27] Speaker 1: them to know, like, let me represent you, and like, yes,
[19:30] Speaker 1: i'm your lawyer, but like I'm just like you. I'm
[19:32] Speaker 1: also an artist. And he was passionate about photography and
[19:38] Speaker 1: that room that was his dark room, was his special
[19:41] Speaker 1: place where he got to experience that. So when he died,
[19:45] Speaker 1: he still goes back down to that dark room because
[19:48] Speaker 1: that's where he was happiest.
[19:50] Speaker 2: I like that. That's actually, yeah, that actually would make
[19:54] Speaker 2: a lot of sense.
[19:56] Speaker 1: That's what I think. I don't know. I haven't met
[19:58] Speaker 1: him yet. Yeah, invite me over, let me in there.
[20:01] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah I will.
[20:03] Speaker 2: I will. But that's a good point. I mean, maybe
[20:05] Speaker 2: this was his because he was like this big wig attorney,
[20:07] Speaker 2: had to do all this legal stuff, but maybe his
[20:09] Speaker 2: true passion was photography and something he wanted to be
[20:12] Speaker 2: like remembered by or to your point, like it was
[20:14] Speaker 2: his happy place and he just doesn't want to leave
[20:18] Speaker 2: that thing that he really cared about. But why, but again,
[20:23] Speaker 2: why why wouldn't you want to leave? Do you have
[20:25] Speaker 2: a choice?
[20:26] Speaker 1: Maybe he never got over that. I mean, I'm a
[20:29] Speaker 1: big believer in like unfinished business situation. Like I really
[20:35] Speaker 1: think somebody can die and they're like, but I don't
[20:39] Speaker 1: want to, like I don't I'm not ready. I think
[20:42] Speaker 1: that the people that die and are like okay, dead
[20:46] Speaker 1: and I'm going to go to the light, that's when
[20:49] Speaker 1: they're not a ghost. My theory is that those people
[20:52] Speaker 1: have the ability to like come back through a psychic again,
[20:56] Speaker 1: like they can like come and go and like everything's fine.
[20:59] Speaker 1: But the ones that are like stuck in a place,
[21:03] Speaker 1: it's because there's some kind of reason why they're just
[21:05] Speaker 1: like but I really like this house. Yeah, Or it's
[21:09] Speaker 1: like they died suddenly and they don't realize it and
[21:12] Speaker 1: they're like, what, I'm dead. No, I don't want to
[21:14] Speaker 1: be dead. Like I think there's just like some kind
[21:16] Speaker 1: of reason.
[21:17] Speaker 2: Did you ever watch the movie Susie Q. It's like
[21:19] Speaker 2: a Disney original movie. But like she died on her
[21:22] Speaker 2: prom night.
[21:23] Speaker 1: That's so deep in the depths of my brain somewhere
[21:26] Speaker 1: way back there. And I thought that I had gotten
[21:29] Speaker 1: rid of it, and you just like pulled that out
[21:31] Speaker 1: of me.
[21:32] Speaker 2: It was a tragic story. It was a Disney original movie,
[21:34] Speaker 2: I believe, and it was called Yeah, and then she
[21:38] Speaker 2: dies on her way to her prom night, but she
[21:41] Speaker 2: doesn't know she's dead, and she's just like walking around
[21:44] Speaker 2: just confused. So I could see that, but I don't know.
[21:48] Speaker 2: But why is it some people not the others? And
[21:50] Speaker 2: then where does do you believe in like reincarnation and
[21:53] Speaker 2: all that.
[21:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think to get reincarnated, you would have
[21:56] Speaker 1: to go to the light.
[21:57] Speaker 2: You'd have to accept.
[21:59] Speaker 1: Listen, none of us know anything about any of this,
[22:02] Speaker 1: I know, but this is my theory based on my
[22:05] Speaker 1: years of talking to people and just kind of like
[22:08] Speaker 1: gathering what I'm hearing. It just kind of seems like
[22:12] Speaker 1: that's how it works.
[22:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you mean? How what works?
[22:15] Speaker 1: How when you die? It works that you just if
[22:18] Speaker 1: you accept it, then you have more freedom to go
[22:22] Speaker 1: to the next one or like come back sometimes or
[22:26] Speaker 1: like you know, if someone gets out of wigi board
[22:28] Speaker 1: and they're like, I want to I want to channel,
[22:30] Speaker 1: like I want to find my old aunt or whatever.
[22:33] Speaker 1: Like she can she can be like okay, what's up. Yeah,
[22:36] Speaker 1: but if you're like stuck in a place, I think
[22:40] Speaker 1: you have to like go to that place with the
[22:42] Speaker 1: ouiji board. And then the person's like they're they're stuck there.
[22:47] Speaker 2: And that's not about doing a wigi board. But I
[22:49] Speaker 2: get scared. I'm a little scared.
[22:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the thing. You do still have to
[22:53] Speaker 1: live there. Because I'm really good at like talking to ghosts,
[22:59] Speaker 1: being nice of them but being cool with them and whatever.
[23:02] Speaker 1: But I don't get rid of ghosts. I'm not. That's
[23:06] Speaker 1: not the eviction thing and all that is not what
[23:09] Speaker 1: I do. I basically just want to hang out with
[23:11] Speaker 1: a ghost. That's why I usually don't go to people's houses.
[23:13] Speaker 1: I just did Tricksy Mittel's house, and then when I left,
[23:16] Speaker 1: I was like, hope I didn't make anything worse, because
[23:18] Speaker 1: I usually when I do this, it's like at hotels.
[23:23] Speaker 1: They're like at a place that's very like we're haunted,
[23:25] Speaker 1: come on in. And so I'm like, oh, if I
[23:29] Speaker 1: made things crazier, like they'll love it.
[23:31] Speaker 2: But I'm the same way though, like I don't necessarily
[23:34] Speaker 2: want to get rid of anything. It's just let's be cool,
[23:38] Speaker 2: let's look out for you.
[23:39] Speaker 1: And I think I don't see any harm and like
[23:42] Speaker 1: talking to a ghost like it's a human and just
[23:45] Speaker 1: letting it know, like, hey, I'll be cool if.
[23:49] Speaker 2: You're cool, you know, definitely, But then there's those scary
[23:52] Speaker 2: ones that are more there's that evil feeling behind it.
[23:56] Speaker 2: When I first moved to La, I got like I
[23:58] Speaker 2: had bad credit, not a lot of money, so it
[24:01] Speaker 2: was just like I took the first, you know, apartment
[24:05] Speaker 2: that I could find, and it was like great. It
[24:08] Speaker 2: was midtown, not great, but it was a place so
[24:12] Speaker 2: I was happy, and I knew when I first walked
[24:15] Speaker 2: in there, it was just something was so dark and heavy,
[24:19] Speaker 2: just yucky, like dread just washed over you. And I
[24:24] Speaker 2: just thought, oh, I'm depressed, Like i'm moving, I'm stressed.
[24:28] Speaker 2: There's a lot of my like it's just me right,
[24:30] Speaker 2: But it was like I would leave the house and
[24:33] Speaker 2: I would feel a hundred times better, but as soon
[24:35] Speaker 2: as I came home, it was just dread. And at
[24:38] Speaker 2: that time, I was like filming all my videos and
[24:41] Speaker 2: everything at home, so it was like hard to get
[24:43] Speaker 2: out of it. And those ones scare me because it's
[24:48] Speaker 2: like what do you want? Like what you just want
[24:51] Speaker 2: me to leave? Like how can we make this work? Ghosts?
[24:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, and see that's where I think it's a ghost
[24:59] Speaker 1: that in an unhappy way and now that emotion is
[25:04] Speaker 1: stuck there. Yeah.
[25:05] Speaker 2: I mean I had these two women come out. They
[25:08] Speaker 2: they didn't call themselves like ghosts.
[25:10] Speaker 1: I remember. This is something else along with Susie c
[25:13] Speaker 1: that I'm remembering from us talking about when you were
[25:16] Speaker 1: on last Yeah, I keep going, keep having.
[25:18] Speaker 2: A long time ago. And I had a friend reach
[25:20] Speaker 2: out to them to see if they would come. They volunteered,
[25:23] Speaker 2: they don't charge, and I didn't want them to know,
[25:26] Speaker 2: like my name or anything. So my friend reached out
[25:28] Speaker 2: and then they showed up and instantly when they walked in,
[25:31] Speaker 2: they were like oh yeah, and I was like what
[25:34] Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, there's something. I'm getting whispers in my
[25:37] Speaker 2: ear and every couple of minutes, like it was two women.
[25:40] Speaker 2: So one of them like turn and just like she's
[25:43] Speaker 2: like they're talking to me. She just keep turning and
[25:45] Speaker 2: I'm like, well, what are they saying? And she's like
[25:47] Speaker 2: I'll tell you later. I was like a gay, I'll
[25:51] Speaker 2: yeah right. And then she asked me to leave the
[25:53] Speaker 2: apartment because they just wanted to like walk around without
[25:56] Speaker 2: my input and like this is what I'm thinking, this
[25:58] Speaker 2: is what I'm being.
[25:59] Speaker 1: So they which just robbed you, really because I felt
[26:03] Speaker 1: like this was They're like, can you just leave and
[26:05] Speaker 1: let us have some alone time. I thought, your fancy,
[26:10] Speaker 1: You're so right.
[26:10] Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that. I was just like
[26:12] Speaker 2: share whatever. Yeah, I probably got robbed, but afterwards I didn't. Again,
[26:20] Speaker 2: I didn't tell them anything. And afterwards they walked me
[26:23] Speaker 2: through the apartment and it was all the spots that
[26:25] Speaker 2: I was feeling. There was something they took me to.
[26:28] Speaker 2: There was like this closet. It was a simple closet,
[26:32] Speaker 2: but again it was just very dark, heavy and my
[26:35] Speaker 2: bed faced it. So at night I would I was
[26:39] Speaker 2: I'm a little baby, but I would put my head
[26:40] Speaker 2: like under the blankets because I just felt like something
[26:43] Speaker 2: was standing there watching me. It was yucky, and it
[26:46] Speaker 2: was every single night and it was just like ugh,
[26:49] Speaker 2: and there was something about because there was also a
[26:52] Speaker 2: bathroom right next to it, there was just something there
[26:55] Speaker 2: that was yucky. Heavy and honestly angry was the feeling
[26:59] Speaker 2: I was. And then in my other bedroom, this is
[27:02] Speaker 2: where I would film and whatnot. That's when like things
[27:06] Speaker 2: would like move or fall over, and you know you're
[27:09] Speaker 2: thinking like, oh, I just misplaced it. But it was like,
[27:12] Speaker 2: I know I didn't move that picture. I know that.
[27:17] Speaker 2: You just start to feel crazy. It got to a
[27:22] Speaker 2: point where I got this really cool like not even
[27:26] Speaker 2: isn't vantage sure. It was just this grand mirror. It
[27:30] Speaker 2: was beautiful, and the lady was selling it for twenty bucks,
[27:33] Speaker 2: and I was like, I have to have this mirror.
[27:36] Speaker 2: Was this marketplace or what, No, it's just on the street.
[27:39] Speaker 2: You know, everyone just puts stuff on the street. Of course,
[27:41] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I get some good stuff. I am that
[27:43] Speaker 2: girl like let me pull over, let me look. Yeah,
[27:46] Speaker 2: And it was in beautiful mirror. So then she said
[27:51] Speaker 2: it was like her grandma's whatever, and she's like, I
[27:53] Speaker 2: just don't like that mirror. So I was like I'll
[27:54] Speaker 2: take it. So I hung it up. And there was
[27:57] Speaker 2: this one time specifically where I was you know, final
[28:01] Speaker 2: looks when we were about to leave the house. So
[28:04] Speaker 2: you're like, you know, in the hair or whatever, and
[28:07] Speaker 2: there was something I caught it in the mirror kind
[28:10] Speaker 2: of walking by, and I was alone behind you behind me,
[28:14] Speaker 2: I don't and there I didn't see like a clear person.
[28:17] Speaker 2: It was just this black like swish behind me. And
[28:22] Speaker 2: there's no windows around, there's nothing. So in that moment,
[28:26] Speaker 2: like I literally lost I think all my color and
[28:29] Speaker 2: I just stood there like when I look around, there's
[28:32] Speaker 2: nothing around. I was like okay, and then I thought, okay,
[28:38] Speaker 2: maybe I should get my carbon monoxide you know, see
[28:41] Speaker 2: if there's like an issue there. Yeah, I was like,
[28:45] Speaker 2: maybe it's that. Let me use that. Turns out I
[28:47] Speaker 2: didn't need a new carbon monoxide thing. But then so
[28:52] Speaker 2: that gets fixed. But then the mirror starts to crack
[28:56] Speaker 2: and just break, and I never looked at that again.
[29:00] Speaker 2: I got rid of it.
[29:01] Speaker 1: It was do you sell it to someone for twenty
[29:03] Speaker 1: bucks on the street fifteen fifteen markets out? He has
[29:07] Speaker 1: a crack? Now?
[29:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, that's character. But so that was
[29:12] Speaker 2: really spooky. But the ladies they walked me around and
[29:15] Speaker 2: they were saying that something very traumatic had happened in
[29:18] Speaker 2: the house. And afterwards I did some research and found
[29:20] Speaker 2: out that someone had ended their life in the room
[29:24] Speaker 2: that I filmed in Yeah, and then they were hanging
[29:27] Speaker 2: out in the closet just really like upset and mad.
[29:32] Speaker 2: So they were mad. This is what the ladies told me.
[29:36] Speaker 2: So the ladies told me that the guy who killed
[29:39] Speaker 2: himself was he was gay and he was very upset
[29:42] Speaker 2: because in the room where I filmed, it was a
[29:45] Speaker 2: bunch of makeup and they said it was making him
[29:48] Speaker 2: mad because it was all the things he wanted and
[29:50] Speaker 2: he couldn't have. And when he was alive, his parents
[29:53] Speaker 2: didn't accept him. So he ended up going into the
[29:57] Speaker 2: bathroom and he hanged him and then he I don't
[30:03] Speaker 2: remember the explanation of how he ended up in a closet,
[30:05] Speaker 2: but like metaphorical, I know, I was like maybe, but
[30:10] Speaker 2: that he would just kind of pace around the upstairs,
[30:14] Speaker 2: just angry at his life. What he wanted and he
[30:18] Speaker 2: couldn't be, and he just hated his parents and everything.
[30:24] Speaker 2: So he was just an angry, an angry guy. And
[30:27] Speaker 2: I was like, well, what do I do because my
[30:29] Speaker 2: dumb ass. At first, before I brought the ladies in,
[30:32] Speaker 2: I thought, oh, I'll offer the ghost a lipstick. So
[30:36] Speaker 2: I offered the ghost I was alone. I was like,
[30:39] Speaker 2: I just want to let you know ghosts like I
[30:40] Speaker 2: have this lipstick. You can have it. It was a
[30:44] Speaker 2: red color from Urban Decay. Can have it. I'll leave
[30:48] Speaker 2: it right here, Okay. So then when I came home,
[30:52] Speaker 2: like the lid was off, it was on the floor,
[30:56] Speaker 2: and of course you can justify this away, but truly
[30:59] Speaker 2: that there's how did that happen? I don't know. And
[31:03] Speaker 2: the ladies told me that that is what set it
[31:06] Speaker 2: off because it made him really mad because he wanted
[31:10] Speaker 2: to wear lipstick but he couldn't, and he was just
[31:14] Speaker 2: some mad, mad, sad ghost. So they went in and
[31:18] Speaker 2: they told him like, you can leave, It's okay to leave.
[31:22] Speaker 2: But nothing changed after that, and I remember I was
[31:24] Speaker 2: like I can't take this anymore because the dread and
[31:28] Speaker 2: it was so real. And so I was packing, I
[31:31] Speaker 2: was moving, and you know, I think actually you had
[31:36] Speaker 2: talked about it in the podcast you did with Bridget
[31:40] Speaker 2: where you talked about using the snapchat like the dog Teacher. Yeah,
[31:45] Speaker 2: So I remember I was like, okay, I was on
[31:48] Speaker 2: Snapchat and I was like, I'm leaving my house and
[31:50] Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the dog face showed up right
[31:53] Speaker 2: next to me. Yeah, and I was like, okay, the
[31:58] Speaker 2: ghost the same bite too. I guess like this is it.
[32:02] Speaker 2: And then a loud bang happened and that's what I
[32:06] Speaker 2: was like, and I'm out of here.
[32:07] Speaker 1: Someone else's the problem now.
[32:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that.
[32:10] Speaker 1: Sucks because it's like you could have a fun gay friend,
[32:13] Speaker 1: but it's like an evil gig guy, just like mad
[32:17] Speaker 1: mad gay guy.
[32:18] Speaker 2: Well could you imagine just you know, your parents not
[32:23] Speaker 2: accepting you at all, like poor guy. I think when
[32:26] Speaker 2: I looked it up, it was like it happened in
[32:29] Speaker 2: the forties.
[32:30] Speaker 1: Oh wow.
[32:31] Speaker 2: Because I looked up, I was like, did someone kill
[32:33] Speaker 2: themselves in this house?
[32:34] Speaker 1: Right?
[32:34] Speaker 2: And it was true someone did. And then there was
[32:37] Speaker 2: another woman who died in the kitchen, and I always
[32:40] Speaker 2: felt like there was something in the kitchen, but it
[32:42] Speaker 2: wasn't angry. And they were saying like, oh, it's just
[32:45] Speaker 2: the mom. She would always be in the kitchen, cooking, cleaning, whatever.
[32:51] Speaker 2: So she's this is just her space, and she doesn't
[32:54] Speaker 2: like it when you're in her space. She wants you
[32:56] Speaker 2: out of her space. So I guess I had multiple
[33:00] Speaker 2: people in that place. Yeah, it was a lot. I
[33:03] Speaker 2: mean it was a great price though at the time,
[33:06] Speaker 2: so I was.
[33:07] Speaker 1: Like, it is what it is, you kind of have
[33:09] Speaker 1: to deal with the yeah, even though the gay ghost
[33:13] Speaker 1: wishes you could wear lipstick. Yeah.
[33:16] Speaker 2: I mean that was one of my first like real
[33:18] Speaker 2: experiences with like, oh I get it now, and people
[33:21] Speaker 2: say there's a feeling. Yeah, So you can't explain that
[33:24] Speaker 2: to people unless you've felt it.
[33:27] Speaker 1: Honestly, I've always tried to ignore that just feeling, yeah,
[33:31] Speaker 1: just being like like either because I'm in situations where
[33:35] Speaker 1: I'm like I have to be in this room right now,
[33:38] Speaker 1: so like just ignore it. Or if I'm like ghost
[33:42] Speaker 1: hunting or ghost huntressing and I'm like I feel a
[33:46] Speaker 1: ghost or whatever, but like, okay, i'm filming this. That
[33:49] Speaker 1: doesn't translate. I don't want to be that person that's
[33:51] Speaker 1: like something I feel something like that, right, So I
[33:55] Speaker 1: always like turn it off. But a couple months ago,
[33:58] Speaker 1: I was in a haunted hotel and I started feeling
[34:01] Speaker 1: like a man, like like a man ghosts up in
[34:06] Speaker 1: my business. And ever since then, I'm like, I don't
[34:09] Speaker 1: want to experience that again, Like I don't want the
[34:12] Speaker 1: I don't want that feeling so overwhelming. It's too scary.
[34:16] Speaker 2: It can be very overwhelming. Yeah, I always let the
[34:20] Speaker 2: feelings come and I think that's something I like, I
[34:23] Speaker 2: need to learn boundaries with that because it can dictate
[34:28] Speaker 2: your whole mood and how you're feeling and your everything.
[34:31] Speaker 1: I think it can take over. I think that like
[34:34] Speaker 1: sometimes when you're just in a bad vibe, that can
[34:38] Speaker 1: really impact your life. Yeah.
[34:40] Speaker 2: I mean I've always heard or read that like if
[34:42] Speaker 2: you're in a bad place and you're vulnerable, that's the
[34:44] Speaker 2: best time for like a ghost to snatch you up.
[34:46] Speaker 2: And I don't know what they do after that.
[34:49] Speaker 1: But I think that's where it's like the evil like demon.
[34:54] Speaker 2: Vibe, right, No.
[34:55] Speaker 1: Hangout was like I was watching your video about ed
[34:58] Speaker 1: Laraye Morin, oh yeah, which I was really happy to
[35:02] Speaker 1: hear you talk about it in that way because they
[35:05] Speaker 1: come up on this podcast all the time.
[35:08] Speaker 2: I'm so sick of them. Well look, okay, to be fair,
[35:15] Speaker 2: I will acknowledge that what they did was smart business wise.
[35:22] Speaker 1: When I always talk about like, okay, no one was
[35:24] Speaker 1: like going on TV in the seventies and talking about ghosts,
[35:28] Speaker 1: and I think that that was really like that's something
[35:32] Speaker 1: they started the interest and the stuff in a way totally.
[35:36] Speaker 2: And I think Lorraine, I think she had something ed
[35:40] Speaker 2: I don't know. I think he saw an opportunity because
[35:42] Speaker 2: his whole background. I mean, he had some trauma in
[35:45] Speaker 2: the war and whatnot, and I just think he was
[35:48] Speaker 2: trying to like work things out. And then he with Lorraine,
[35:52] Speaker 2: it was like she was seeing stuff and it just
[35:55] Speaker 2: turned into a career for them. Yeah, but then and
[36:00] Speaker 2: it became them kind of making stuff up now. But
[36:05] Speaker 2: don't you feel like that's how it is with any
[36:08] Speaker 2: like content creators, Like you find your thing that you're doing,
[36:11] Speaker 2: and then maybe you go on to see a haunted place,
[36:15] Speaker 2: but nothing is happening, So like people will make stuff
[36:18] Speaker 2: up just so it's not a waste of everyone's time.
[36:21] Speaker 1: Yes, well on you once everyone's paying attention, you know,
[36:25] Speaker 1: it's like you're trying to get everyone to pay attention.
[36:27] Speaker 1: And then once they start paying attention, it's like, Okay,
[36:30] Speaker 1: we're listening, you better give us something.
[36:33] Speaker 2: But sometimes there is nothing.
[36:34] Speaker 1: And I think that happens with psychic all the time.
[36:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, So what do you think about What do you
[36:39] Speaker 2: think about Ed and Lorraine?
[36:40] Speaker 1: Okay, so years ago I became friends with Andrea paren
[36:45] Speaker 1: who is the eldest daughter of the family that the
[36:51] Speaker 1: Conjuring is based on. I love her, Andrea, I miss you.
[36:56] Speaker 1: I hope you're doing well. She's amazing. She she had
[37:02] Speaker 1: a different story than what was reported from the conjuring
[37:06] Speaker 1: when it comes to the Ed and Lorraine connection. And
[37:10] Speaker 1: I've also talked to a few other people that have
[37:13] Speaker 1: worked with them over the years that are like, first
[37:16] Speaker 1: of all, I think they were very Catholic, and I
[37:19] Speaker 1: think that that was the basis for their entire dogma
[37:23] Speaker 1: or whatever, like they're all their theories everything about ghosts
[37:27] Speaker 1: and demons were based in like if you pray to Jesus,
[37:30] Speaker 1: it'll go away, and like everything bad as a demon,
[37:34] Speaker 1: and like I just don't believe that, right right, But
[37:38] Speaker 1: and now so many people because their movies and their
[37:41] Speaker 1: books and them coming on TV all these years whatever,
[37:44] Speaker 1: Like now that's like what most people think a ghost
[37:48] Speaker 1: is is what they taught. Yeah, and dead. That article
[37:52] Speaker 1: came out the Hollywood Reporter about the woman who was
[37:58] Speaker 1: Ed's teen girlfriend.
[38:00] Speaker 2: I know, and she she worked for them, she lived
[38:04] Speaker 2: with them, lived with them, she was still in high
[38:08] Speaker 2: school when they were pregnant, yep. And it was suggested
[38:11] Speaker 2: that she allegedly should get an abortion, which she did.
[38:17] Speaker 2: I believe, right, yeah, she did, and they denied, deny,
[38:20] Speaker 2: deny that there was any relationship.
[38:22] Speaker 1: You know.
[38:22] Speaker 2: She ended up going to jail.
[38:24] Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and we're talking about that in your video. Yeah.
[38:26] Speaker 2: I think it's a state of where did it take place? Connecticut?
[38:29] Speaker 2: I don't want to but it was a some kind
[38:32] Speaker 2: of law where she got in trouble for having a
[38:35] Speaker 2: relationship with a married man at sixteen, same insane. So
[38:40] Speaker 2: then Ed was the one who like bailed her out
[38:44] Speaker 2: of jail, and then they continued their relationship low key.
[38:48] Speaker 2: I was like, what what? And there's in their contracts
[38:52] Speaker 2: for the movies. Lorraine had made sure like in all
[38:56] Speaker 2: the contracts you cannot mention any of them as like
[39:01] Speaker 2: as part of the storyline.
[39:03] Speaker 1: So which is weird? I mean to be like, yeah,
[39:06] Speaker 1: you could have the right story story, but just one thing,
[39:09] Speaker 1: no mentioning the teenage girl that my age got the pornography.
[39:14] Speaker 2: I guess he loved his pornography. Yeah, and I guess
[39:17] Speaker 2: he loved allegedly just like having an affair, the fame
[39:22] Speaker 2: of it all, you know, So it was like, do
[39:25] Speaker 2: not mention any of that. But it could have made
[39:28] Speaker 2: for an interesting, honest story.
[39:31] Speaker 1: But those movies are like, first of all, this super
[39:35] Speaker 1: hot couple that.
[39:37] Speaker 2: The actors Yeah, oh, I know, what's his name? He
[39:40] Speaker 2: gets like more botox every every movie. He's more like,
[39:45] Speaker 2: I know, this is.
[39:46] Speaker 1: So mean, but I often bring up he did not
[39:49] Speaker 1: look like the rule, not at all.
[39:51] Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no no no no.
[39:55] Speaker 1: Terrible cast. So that's good for them. But yeah, so
[39:58] Speaker 1: in the movies, it's like this hot Catholic couple that
[40:02] Speaker 1: they just love each other and they have no problems
[40:05] Speaker 1: other than fighting dbibs right, and it's you.
[40:08] Speaker 2: Know, it sounds like and they seem like they support
[40:11] Speaker 2: each other and love it and you're like, oh, that's
[40:13] Speaker 2: so great, and then you dig a little deeper and
[40:15] Speaker 2: you're like, hmm, he was kind of like just a salesman.
[40:19] Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. They They did make a lot
[40:22] Speaker 1: of money off of this stuff, which you know, if
[40:24] Speaker 1: people are working, they should make a living.
[40:27] Speaker 2: But there were just numerous occasions of where like the
[40:31] Speaker 2: families did not want them involved, but they would insert
[40:34] Speaker 2: themselves claim like we were involved in that one.
[40:37] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like come.
[40:39] Speaker 2: On yeah yeah. So I don't know. I think the
[40:42] Speaker 2: movies are great, and I think like what they did
[40:46] Speaker 2: Obviously a lot of people responded to and now because
[40:50] Speaker 2: of them, we do have, you know, people who are
[40:53] Speaker 2: interested in the paranormal and want to investigate, so pros
[40:56] Speaker 2: and cons. You know, you can take advantage of young
[41:00] Speaker 2: girls and all that stuff, but you can do good things.
[41:06] Speaker 2: I don't know, like how you know, It's just I
[41:08] Speaker 2: don't I don't know.
[41:10] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[41:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the movies. I'll take the movies.
[41:13] Speaker 1: What do you think of Annabelle? Do you believe that
[41:15] Speaker 1: she's like really a haunted doll that's a demon inside
[41:18] Speaker 1: of her.
[41:19] Speaker 2: That's a great question. I don't know how I feel
[41:22] Speaker 2: about haunted dolls. And I know, like haunted dolls are
[41:25] Speaker 2: like a major thing, but I don't know, like what's
[41:28] Speaker 2: a dog gonna do. I've never I guess because I've
[41:31] Speaker 2: never experienced seeing a doll and being like, oh my god,
[41:34] Speaker 2: I love this doll.
[41:35] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's liberati.
[41:37] Speaker 2: But I've never seen one where I was like where
[41:40] Speaker 2: I got that feeling?
[41:41] Speaker 1: Right? You know? Well, you know what, let me let
[41:44] Speaker 1: me try to convince.
[41:45] Speaker 2: You, Okay, I want to be convinced.
[41:47] Speaker 1: I go to eBay, where.
[41:50] Speaker 2: I've seen these little they.
[41:51] Speaker 1: Sell haunted dolls, and they are one hundred percent of
[41:54] Speaker 1: the jet do you know just because because it's people
[41:57] Speaker 1: would not be selling them if they weren't.
[41:59] Speaker 2: Really, Okay, but can't I just destroy a doll and
[42:04] Speaker 2: then be.
[42:04] Speaker 1: Like, look, no, now the demons lose. What do you
[42:07] Speaker 1: mean if you destroy it? According to Lorraine Warren, it's
[42:11] Speaker 1: not about the object. It's once it's in your possession,
[42:15] Speaker 1: that demon's attached to you.
[42:17] Speaker 2: It's so exhausting.
[42:18] Speaker 1: It's time for the dolls are living. Okay, So this
[42:26] Speaker 1: is a doll we have named Becky, Becky the Haunted Doll.
[42:31] Speaker 2: Where's she from?
[42:33] Speaker 1: Well, she comes with a whole biography. She is going
[42:36] Speaker 1: for forty nine dollars jieha show with Becky. You got it? Ross, Yes, Beggy. Oh,
[42:45] Speaker 1: she's kind of Alice in Wonderland. Like she's got blonde
[42:50] Speaker 1: blunt bangs, nice volume in her hair.
[42:54] Speaker 2: She So what what makes this a haunted doll?
[43:00] Speaker 1: Hello? Well, first of all, somebody went through the work
[43:04] Speaker 1: of finding out everything about the spirit inside of her.
[43:08] Speaker 2: Oh really okay, yeah, okay.
[43:10] Speaker 1: So it's real for forty nine dollars, okay, okay, So
[43:14] Speaker 1: this person has found out that Becky is the spirit
[43:18] Speaker 1: of a nineteen year old young woman that somehow has
[43:21] Speaker 1: gone into this doll.
[43:24] Speaker 2: Becky.
[43:24] Speaker 1: She lived from nineteen eighty six to two thousand and five.
[43:28] Speaker 1: Honestly to get out in two thousand and five. That
[43:30] Speaker 1: was a great time. But okay, So when I asked
[43:34] Speaker 1: how she died, she said, quote, I fell off the
[43:37] Speaker 1: bridge when I was leaning over to take a picture
[43:40] Speaker 1: of birds. She lived in South Carolina with her mom,
[43:46] Speaker 1: her dad, and her younger brother. She lived in a
[43:49] Speaker 1: happy home. I asked her what she was going to
[43:54] Speaker 1: be in her what was going on in her life
[43:56] Speaker 1: before she died, and she said, quote, I was going
[43:59] Speaker 1: to college for cosmetology and I wanted to be a
[44:02] Speaker 1: makeup and hairstylist for celebrities. I had a boyfriend named Blake,
[44:07] Speaker 1: and I wanted to get married after we graduated college.
[44:11] Speaker 1: I played piano and played at church and played when
[44:14] Speaker 1: we had birthday parties at our house. Okay, so basically
[44:19] Speaker 1: seems like she's a good spirit. Says she's bubbly patient, funny.
[44:24] Speaker 2: Okay, how do you get these stories though? From?
[44:29] Speaker 1: Well, they have used a spirit box. Are you familiar
[44:33] Speaker 1: with that? Yet? They've done a spirit box? It says
[44:38] Speaker 1: I think that they've really spent the time with all
[44:41] Speaker 1: the different devices to come to this conclusion. She said
[44:45] Speaker 1: a lot, She's said a whole lot. It also says
[44:50] Speaker 1: that her favorite food is corn dogs, spaghetti, and sandwiches
[44:57] Speaker 1: with turkey. You'll know she's around if you smell a
[45:01] Speaker 1: Berry scented lotion, which is very two thousand and five
[45:04] Speaker 1: about them Bodyworks Berry scented lotion, shampoo, and conditioner. It
[45:10] Speaker 1: also says she likes popcorn and pineapples. She does not
[45:16] Speaker 1: want to be held or cuddled, and yeah, it says
[45:20] Speaker 1: some of the activity that happens, she'll she'll make some
[45:22] Speaker 1: lights turn on. She'll play the piano if you have one.
[45:25] Speaker 1: It'll be distant, soft and muffled.
[45:28] Speaker 2: It's a good wouldn't mind a nice piano?
[45:30] Speaker 1: Well, that would be great if she could play, you know,
[45:33] Speaker 1: some like two thousand what if she was all oh,
[45:40] Speaker 1: I was thinking Vanessa Carlton. You'll feel cold spots around her.
[45:49] Speaker 1: And she loves to play with hair and makeup accessories.
[45:52] Speaker 1: She would have loved the red lipstick Urban Decay. So
[45:57] Speaker 1: basically that's her. For forty nine dollars, you can.
[46:00] Speaker 2: Have Becky, Do you have any haunted dolls.
[46:03] Speaker 1: Well, I have one haunted doll that my manager bought
[46:06] Speaker 1: me because he thought that I, since I talk about these,
[46:09] Speaker 1: that I would want one, and I do not.
[46:11] Speaker 2: Oh you don't.
[46:12] Speaker 1: I don't want one.
[46:13] Speaker 2: How come?
[46:14] Speaker 1: Because I don't take my work home in my home.
[46:17] Speaker 1: I want it to be no go loud. I don't
[46:21] Speaker 1: even want living people in my home. Yeah, and so
[46:26] Speaker 1: I do have this one haunted doll. I'm not really sure.
[46:28] Speaker 1: Every once in a while I hear noises in the
[46:30] Speaker 1: room that it's in, but that's just the wind, right. Yeah.
[46:34] Speaker 2: So if I die, do I get to pick the
[46:36] Speaker 2: doll I go into?
[46:37] Speaker 1: I think? So? I think. I think that's sort of
[46:40] Speaker 1: how this works, is that I believe that when you die,
[46:44] Speaker 1: you get to you get three choices Heaven, hell or
[46:46] Speaker 1: haunted eBay doll okay, And so I think if you
[46:50] Speaker 1: choose that option, it could lead to a great life.
[46:53] Speaker 2: You know, you could be fun because you never know
[46:55] Speaker 2: where you're gonna end up. As a dog, you can travel.
[46:58] Speaker 1: Most likely you're going to get bought by some weird
[47:01] Speaker 1: person and uh, you're stuck with them.
[47:05] Speaker 2: But you'll be fed corn dogs.
[47:07] Speaker 1: She loves a corn dog. Yeah, now, I don't know
[47:09] Speaker 1: how she's gonna eat a corn dog, but you know what,
[47:12] Speaker 1: you can figure it out.
[47:13] Speaker 2: What would you want to be put into?
[47:16] Speaker 1: I okay, I do own several dolls that I love.
[47:21] Speaker 1: I have this Miss Piggy Love Miss Baby. It's a
[47:26] Speaker 1: Franklin Mint Miss Piggy doll, and it's everyone listening. Go
[47:30] Speaker 1: google it right now, Franklin Miss Piggy. It is the
[47:34] Speaker 1: most gorgeous. She's probably like this tall off the table,
[47:37] Speaker 1: and I'm looking for like a podium to put her on,
[47:42] Speaker 1: Like I want like a column, like a like a
[47:44] Speaker 1: Roman column, because she's like she's porcelain and she's just
[47:47] Speaker 1: like she's porcelain. Yes, Wow, she's gorgeous. I want to
[47:52] Speaker 1: be in a Miss Piggy Okay, And I'd be like
[47:55] Speaker 1: yeah all the time.
[47:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I love Miss Piggy. That's a good one.
[48:00] Speaker 1: Okay, what about you?
[48:02] Speaker 2: I have probably my American girl doll, Samantha. Okay, I
[48:08] Speaker 2: got her when I was like ten, you still have
[48:11] Speaker 2: I still have her, and occasionally I'll take her out
[48:13] Speaker 2: of the box and brush your hair and change.
[48:16] Speaker 1: Her outfits, give her a corn dog.
[48:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think she likes corn dogs. I haven't asked,
[48:22] Speaker 2: but she's cute and I like her little outfits, so
[48:26] Speaker 2: maybe that's my first thought.
[48:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would be cute.
[48:30] Speaker 2: I don't know a cute one. But I don't want
[48:32] Speaker 2: to be in a doll. I want to float around
[48:34] Speaker 2: and like mess with people, and then I want to
[48:37] Speaker 2: be reincarnated. It's like, give me some like plate time
[48:40] Speaker 2: to have some fun and just mess with the people
[48:44] Speaker 2: that I want to mess with, you know, just yeah,
[48:48] Speaker 2: just some there's some hitless people I would like to
[48:50] Speaker 2: mess with. Yeah, and then once I'm done, I would
[48:53] Speaker 2: like to then, you know, put me now in a
[48:55] Speaker 2: new a new body.
[48:58] Speaker 1: Well, sometimes I feel like if you're a ghost too,
[49:00] Speaker 1: it's sad. It's like it's move on exactly. Yeah, does
[49:05] Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
[49:06] Speaker 2: I like, aren't you born? Like don't you want to
[49:08] Speaker 2: do something else? Anything?
[49:10] Speaker 1: So I think a lot of times it's sad. Okay,
[49:12] Speaker 1: Like I was encountering some ghosts at these haunted hotels
[49:15] Speaker 1: this weekend that were from like over one hundred years ago,
[49:19] Speaker 1: and it's like, you mean to tell me, you've just
[49:20] Speaker 1: been in this hotel room for the past over one
[49:23] Speaker 1: hundred years. It's time to go, Like, it's not up
[49:26] Speaker 1: to me to make you leave, but like.
[49:29] Speaker 2: Come on, there's a big, bad world out there.
[49:31] Speaker 1: There's a way somewhere. You could come back as a tortoise,
[49:35] Speaker 1: like you could go. You could if you be a leaf.
[49:39] Speaker 1: Yeah just for a little bit, just try it out
[49:41] Speaker 1: for a little bit. Flowah, but you have to leave
[49:44] Speaker 1: this one first, then you can come back. Maybe you
[49:47] Speaker 1: could be an eBay dom. Maybe you could be I
[49:49] Speaker 1: don't know, some a pancake and an eye hop. You
[49:53] Speaker 1: could be all kinds of things.
[49:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, why limit yourself to just being a
[49:57] Speaker 2: ghost in a basement. Yeah, just doesn't make sense to
[50:01] Speaker 2: me that part, Like I can't figure out.
[50:04] Speaker 1: But but we don't know because we're not dead.
[50:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, stay tuned, Stay tuned.
[50:09] Speaker 1: Hey can I play you some ghost voices? Yeah, it's
[50:12] Speaker 1: time for EVP or ev plase. Okay, So here's what
[50:22] Speaker 1: we're gonna do. I got a YouTube dot com.
[50:24] Speaker 2: You've heard of that, right, I've heard of this website.
[50:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, so I I find ghost voices that people have posted.
[50:33] Speaker 2: Like I heard this in my house and I recorded
[50:35] Speaker 2: it type of thing.
[50:36] Speaker 1: Usually it depends. Sometimes they're like ghost hunters, but other
[50:41] Speaker 1: times it's it's that. But these I have two for
[50:44] Speaker 1: you today that are both from the same account. It
[50:48] Speaker 1: is called ghost hunts Source six. Good, so I think
[50:55] Speaker 1: I think that they're definitely I'm assuming ghost hunters with
[50:59] Speaker 1: a name like that.
[51:00] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[51:00] Speaker 1: This first one was recorded at the State Theater in Springfield, Ohio.
[51:07] Speaker 1: All Right, tell me what this ghost is saying.
[51:11] Speaker 2: Okay, that's not it?
[51:17] Speaker 1: Is it? That's it? Okay?
[51:20] Speaker 2: Sorrs lo full sentences. Let me close my eyes. What
[51:31] Speaker 2: one more time? Is he asking for a lighter?
[51:39] Speaker 1: Totally? It's like you got a lighter? That is not
[51:45] Speaker 1: what ghost hunt? Source six? Oh? Okay, did they think
[51:49] Speaker 1: it was I'm gonna give you a B C D?
[51:51] Speaker 1: Did they think it was a Joe Biden b liar? C?
[52:00] Speaker 1: Fire or d? Are you hiring?
[52:05] Speaker 2: Fire and liar are very similar and it could be
[52:08] Speaker 2: either way. One more time fire, I'm gonna say fire.
[52:16] Speaker 2: Final answer.
[52:17] Speaker 1: They believe it was liar, okay, which sounds more like lighter.
[52:20] Speaker 1: You were very close.
[52:23] Speaker 2: What was the context like, were they asking like how'd
[52:26] Speaker 2: you die?
[52:27] Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah I did. I did add it down the clip.
[52:30] Speaker 1: But I believe the person said something something that was
[52:33] Speaker 1: like referring to ghost activity like oh, I just I
[52:37] Speaker 1: just felt something over here or whatever. And then also
[52:40] Speaker 1: the gohoest of like liar, oh, the ghost called out
[52:44] Speaker 1: the person that was ghost hutting. Okay, next up is
[52:50] Speaker 1: same same people, and this one is at a private business.
[52:56] Speaker 1: I don't know the context. What is this ghost saying? Bottom?
[53:03] Speaker 1: I hate these That one's creepy.
[53:08] Speaker 2: I don't know what theo what.
[53:14] Speaker 1: I'll give you some options.
[53:19] Speaker 2: Sounds like a same like father.
[53:21] Speaker 1: Bottom, father, Yeah, yeah, yeah, very breathy father. Well did
[53:30] Speaker 1: they think it was a what up? B? What child? C?
[53:40] Speaker 1: Water or d what the heck?
[53:49] Speaker 2: Now? I hear water?
[53:51] Speaker 1: That is what they believe. Okay, and that go sounds thirsty.
[53:57] Speaker 1: Get that ghosts of water.
[53:59] Speaker 2: You need some water, poor guy.
[54:01] Speaker 1: Okay, let's do one last thing. I'm just gonna rapid
[54:05] Speaker 1: fire throw off some ghosty, paranormal and explainable things. I'm
[54:10] Speaker 1: curious your thoughts. What do you think about like coincidences then,
[54:17] Speaker 1: like do you have things in your life where you're
[54:19] Speaker 1: like those too good to be true or do you
[54:22] Speaker 1: just go like eh, whatever.
[54:24] Speaker 2: I love a coincidence. I'm a true believer that like
[54:27] Speaker 2: there are no coincidences. I feel like it's life kind
[54:30] Speaker 2: of like lining you up and reminding you like you're
[54:34] Speaker 2: on the right path.
[54:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[54:36] Speaker 2: So if it's like or if you're like thinking of somebody, well,
[54:40] Speaker 2: I don't know if that far. If you're thinking about
[54:42] Speaker 2: someone and then they text you and it's just kind
[54:44] Speaker 2: of to me it's like, oh, life is telling me,
[54:46] Speaker 2: like we need to talk. Or it's like if you
[54:51] Speaker 2: meet someone randomly on the street and then a month
[54:55] Speaker 2: later you see them again. To me, I take that
[54:59] Speaker 2: as like either I'm on the right place or depending
[55:02] Speaker 2: on like the situation, it's like, Okay, so this person
[55:07] Speaker 2: I'm seeing them again, Like maybe there's there's just something there.
[55:11] Speaker 1: So you you do let your brain go to that
[55:14] Speaker 1: where you're like, I wonder what it means.
[55:16] Speaker 2: Totally why not? Why not? I mean one of the
[55:19] Speaker 2: addswers sometimes like uh, there was one time where I
[55:23] Speaker 2: traveled to like New York and I ran into like
[55:26] Speaker 2: an old neighbor and yeah, super coincidence. And I don't
[55:30] Speaker 2: know what to make of that. But in a way,
[55:32] Speaker 2: how I took it was like, wow, look how far
[55:35] Speaker 2: we've both come, because we both came from like not
[55:38] Speaker 2: great situations, and it was like maybe just a life
[55:41] Speaker 2: reminder of like hey, we're we're doing it like we're okay,
[55:45] Speaker 2: and like just to connect and be on the same
[55:49] Speaker 2: hate not the same page, but like in a different
[55:52] Speaker 2: point in our lives. I don't know. I think there's
[55:55] Speaker 2: something there. I don't know what, but I love when
[55:58] Speaker 2: that happens. I don't feel like it's random, like something
[56:03] Speaker 2: I think is lining you up and kind of telling
[56:06] Speaker 2: you where to go if you're paying attention, you know.
[56:09] Speaker 1: Love that. Yeah, what about Bigfoot?
[56:14] Speaker 2: I have mixed feelings on Bigfoot. I love the idea
[56:18] Speaker 2: of Bigfoot and they're being like creatures, skin walkers stuff
[56:23] Speaker 2: like that, but then at times I feel like, for
[56:28] Speaker 2: like indigenous people, a lot of the times the sasquatch
[56:31] Speaker 2: or the skin walkers are on reservations. And I was
[56:36] Speaker 2: listening to this interview with a group of Indigenous people
[56:41] Speaker 2: and they're like, it feels like it's gimmicky and like
[56:45] Speaker 2: we're indigenous therefore, like we have Bigfoot and these creatures
[56:50] Speaker 2: and it's kind of dismissing us as people were just
[56:55] Speaker 2: known as like we have these creatures lingering around and
[57:00] Speaker 2: I don't know. So I was like listening to that
[57:01] Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, It's an interesting I never
[57:03] Speaker 2: thought of it that way, where it's kind of like,
[57:06] Speaker 2: I don't know, the feeling is kind of disrespectful, sure
[57:12] Speaker 2: the small group that had given this interview, and then
[57:15] Speaker 2: there's the other side of like, well there's big footsteps around,
[57:20] Speaker 2: you know, like this this sightings are always blurry, which
[57:25] Speaker 2: is frustrating because we live in a time where we
[57:28] Speaker 2: all have cameras that are pretty good quality, Like, how
[57:31] Speaker 2: come nobody has like given us something solid, Yeah, besides
[57:35] Speaker 2: the footprints and whatnot.
[57:38] Speaker 1: I like to amaze what I will say as someone
[57:41] Speaker 1: that like wants to capture a ghost on film, when
[57:45] Speaker 1: there's times when I'm like, I think there's a ghost
[57:47] Speaker 1: right next to be, it's like you grab like the
[57:50] Speaker 1: camera and you're like shaking, and like I can't imagine
[57:54] Speaker 1: seeing Bigfoot. Just like, first of all, being out in
[57:57] Speaker 1: the woods terrifying to begin with, and then all wasn't
[58:00] Speaker 1: usually a big, giant, hairy man, I would die.
[58:04] Speaker 2: My first instinct is not to grab my phone, you know,
[58:07] Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I agree, it's like maybe that's why,
[58:11] Speaker 2: but still it's we don't have one picture. Doesn't anyone
[58:16] Speaker 2: have like a GoPro that they could just wear like.
[58:18] Speaker 1: What is it? It is suspicious?
[58:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, but like the I've seen, I think it was
[58:24] Speaker 2: like the newest unsolved mysteries they did where it was
[58:28] Speaker 2: like big foots literal foots, like leaving this woman's home. Yeah,
[58:33] Speaker 2: and that that would freak me out. I would move
[58:36] Speaker 2: right away.
[58:37] Speaker 1: I think Bigfoot is a ghost really Yeah. I think
[58:40] Speaker 1: Bigfit's a ghost of like a caveman. Ah, and that's
[58:44] Speaker 1: why you can't capture him. That's what I think, all right.
[58:48] Speaker 1: Next one, do you have a conspiracy theory that you
[58:51] Speaker 1: think is fun?
[58:52] Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of conspiracy theories have gotten
[58:55] Speaker 2: there was a time when it was really fun.
[58:56] Speaker 1: I know. But that's why I'm trying to take it back.
[58:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, I again low state conspiracies where it's like I
[59:04] Speaker 2: haven't worked this one out in my head. But something
[59:07] Speaker 2: I'm thinking about is, Okay, the time change you know,
[59:09] Speaker 2: we change are the clocks and whatever? Yea, what if
[59:12] Speaker 2: someone is like changing the clocks and controlling us through
[59:17] Speaker 2: that way so we go to bed earlier, we're not
[59:20] Speaker 2: spending as much. What do you mean someone I don't
[59:23] Speaker 2: know who runs the clocks?
[59:25] Speaker 1: Oprah, No, I don't.
[59:28] Speaker 2: Think she knows how to run a clock. I think
[59:30] Speaker 2: she has people set clocks for her, but it's like
[59:33] Speaker 2: one of these tech people who are like, I don't know,
[59:36] Speaker 2: because what if one day, just what if one day
[59:39] Speaker 2: someone decides to like change it an hour ahead and
[59:42] Speaker 2: none of us would notice because everything updates on its own, right,
[59:46] Speaker 2: and then we start losing hours or gaining hours, and
[59:49] Speaker 2: we're falling behind, and then we get all confused. So
[59:53] Speaker 2: this hasn't been fully worked out in my head, and
[59:55] Speaker 2: I need to put together a PowerPoint. Sure, but I
[59:58] Speaker 2: think someone's controlling the time. It's so stupid, But that
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: was one theory I came up with with this recent
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: time change of like, why do they hate us? Why
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: did they move it up like two hours? And how
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: would we know who's fact checking this whole time thing?
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they could just do that, right.
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: But then for why, I don't know yet. I haven't
[1:00:20] Speaker 2: worked that part out, but I like to think that
[1:00:22] Speaker 2: maybe there's something there.
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: Maybe it's because these people are vampires and they want
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: more time at in the darkness. They wanted it earlier.
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: Oh, that could be nice. It's some kind of lawn
[1:00:35] Speaker 2: place to be like, Okay, the vampires need their time
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: too while they're here, so we have to, like the
[1:00:41] Speaker 2: vampire lobbyists are getting together with the government to be like, hey,
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: we need this time for the vampires to do well,
[1:00:48] Speaker 2: or the vampires are just going to take over and
[1:00:50] Speaker 2: we don't want that.
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: Do you think vampires are real? Every once in a
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: while you hear these people talk about that.
[1:00:56] Speaker 2: No, no vampires. No. I think there's people who I
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: don't want to say cosplay because there are people who
[1:01:04] Speaker 2: make it their whole identity.
[1:01:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely people that are like, yeah, I'm a vampire,
[1:01:09] Speaker 1: I drink blood.
[1:01:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, they really do. I think I watched it was
[1:01:13] Speaker 2: on like TLC. Yeah, they have great, you know, little docuseries.
[1:01:19] Speaker 2: But it was like this guy who was a vampire
[1:01:22] Speaker 2: qute unquote. He had the teeth in plants. He lived
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: the whole vampire fantasy. He had the women that would
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: come to his house also vampires with the teeth. They
[1:01:31] Speaker 2: would drink blood and they fully were like, we are
[1:01:34] Speaker 2: vampires totally.
[1:01:35] Speaker 1: But will they live for hundreds and hundreds of years
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: and never age?
[1:01:40] Speaker 2: Right? No, they swore they were.
[1:01:43] Speaker 1: I'm telling you, though, I know this is like whatever
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: if anyone as.
[1:01:47] Speaker 2: Chair she's a vampire because look at.
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: How young she looks. It's crazy. I'm just saying, I guess.
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: I could see that. I just don't see her being
[1:01:56] Speaker 2: a vampire though.
[1:01:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not. But just the idea of living forever,
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: and would.
[1:02:02] Speaker 2: You want to live forever?
[1:02:04] Speaker 1: No?
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: Really, I would love to live forever?
[1:02:08] Speaker 1: No, I would. I think you'd get it, like, yeah,
[1:02:11] Speaker 1: but wouldn't it be fun to be able to do
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: that from a cloud and just look down and be like, oh, yoh,
[1:02:16] Speaker 1: this is crazy. No, you'd rather be living ye as you?
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that'd be so fun.
[1:02:24] Speaker 1: Because but here's the thing, are you going to age?
[1:02:26] Speaker 1: I better not, because what if you're literally a four
[1:02:29] Speaker 1: hundred and fifty year old human, you'd be crumbled.
[1:02:31] Speaker 2: I don't want to do that.
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: I would be horrible.
[1:02:33] Speaker 2: If I could be a vampire, I would think I
[1:02:35] Speaker 2: would do it because I want to see all the
[1:02:37] Speaker 2: different chapters of the world's play out. I think that'd
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: be really interesting and all the fashion choices, the different
[1:02:44] Speaker 2: types of people that come and go.
[1:02:46] Speaker 1: Okay, I would only if I could start a couple
[1:02:51] Speaker 1: hundred years ago. I don't want to start now because
[1:02:54] Speaker 1: I can't see it getting any better well to be
[1:02:58] Speaker 1: stuck as the earth is like dying literally and technology
[1:03:04] Speaker 1: is taking over. I can't tell with AI or not
[1:03:08] Speaker 1: for that for another like couple hundred years, I can't.
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: Okay, but what if you could be a vampire for good?
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: So then you're tart. The people you went after are
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: the bad people in charge. You seduce them, you be
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: the hot vampire. Seduce them, you get up to like
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: some big wig, corporate, fucking loser who's ruining our lives.
[1:03:28] Speaker 2: Seduce them, bite them, take them down.
[1:03:32] Speaker 1: No, but won't they become a vampire? Oh yeah, fuck yeah, No,
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: that sounds awful. Okay, well I don't think so. I
[1:03:38] Speaker 1: also don't I don't like blood.
[1:03:40] Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, that's that's fair. You don't have to
[1:03:43] Speaker 2: be a vampire, I know, yeah, that's okay. You could
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: be a doll.
[1:03:46] Speaker 1: I know. I think I'm more suitious to be a
[1:03:48] Speaker 1: doll because also, like it's way less work, Like I
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: want to just be able to stay on like a
[1:03:56] Speaker 1: like someone's shelf. Yeah that sounds way more my pace.
[1:03:59] Speaker 1: I don't want to be flying around everywhere.
[1:04:02] Speaker 2: Oh that sounds so fun. I love it.
[1:04:05] Speaker 1: Well anyway, that's it.
[1:04:07] Speaker 2: That's it. This is too fun.
[1:04:09] Speaker 1: I know you're so cool.
[1:04:11] Speaker 2: Oh, you're so cool. I appreciate you for having me.
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well tell everyone you know where they
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: can find you and all that stuff.
[1:04:19] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[1:04:20] Speaker 1: Uh.
[1:04:21] Speaker 2: You can find me on YouTube, Instagram, I'm on TikTok,
[1:04:26] Speaker 2: I'm on podcast pat podcast Snapchat. I have two podcasts,
[1:04:32] Speaker 2: Murder Mystery, Makeup and Dark History you can watch on
[1:04:34] Speaker 2: YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts. And I'm just around.
[1:04:39] Speaker 2: I'm a floater. I'm here. I love it.
[1:04:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the coolest. All.
[1:04:44] Speaker 2: Thanks. I appreciate you.
[1:04:46] Speaker 1: I appreciate you. So I'm gonna have to hit.
[1:04:49] Speaker 2: You up so you can come over and talk to
[1:04:50] Speaker 2: my ghosts. Please would you go?
[1:04:54] Speaker 1: Oh? Well, only I only talk to ghosts off cameras
[1:04:56] Speaker 1: are rolling.
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: Oh.
[1:04:58] Speaker 1: I have no interest in talking to goes for fun.
[1:05:01] Speaker 1: I will do it if it's content for my YouTube
[1:05:05] Speaker 1: channel or I mean I can go poke my head
[1:05:10] Speaker 1: in there without cameras rolling and just see.
[1:05:12] Speaker 2: Would it be dangerous for me to do a a
[1:05:15] Speaker 2: WISI board like alone?
[1:05:17] Speaker 1: I think you should do it with me, Okay, but.
[1:05:20] Speaker 2: I don't want to film it because I don't want
[1:05:21] Speaker 2: people to see ins in my house and then plan
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: the killer.
[1:05:24] Speaker 1: But what if it's just your bathroom.
[1:05:26] Speaker 2: Oh that's true.
[1:05:27] Speaker 1: We don't have to show anything else but just the bathroom.
[1:05:30] Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't want the killer to see you, like, Okay,
[1:05:32] Speaker 2: she's got a door there to right, you know.
[1:05:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, we don't deal with the whole cribs. Yeah,
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: we just go into the bathroom. The cameras turn on
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: once we're in the bathroom, okay, and it's you, me
[1:05:43] Speaker 1: and the photographer, lawyer and the weiji board.
[1:05:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be really fun.
[1:05:49] Speaker 1: I can get us some answers, can you. Yeah.
[1:05:52] Speaker 2: I love answers. Yeah, yeah, I just want to know
[1:05:54] Speaker 2: if we're cool or not.
[1:05:56] Speaker 1: I think so. It seems like you got a good
[1:05:58] Speaker 1: thing going on.
[1:05:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel so. At least I feel it doesn't
[1:06:01] Speaker 2: feel dark like I have experienced in the past. So
[1:06:04] Speaker 2: I'll take that. Ye. Yeah, Well, thank you, thank you?
[1:06:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, bye, okay bye, Thank you so much. The Bailey, Ah,
[1:06:16] Speaker 1: it's a holiday treat. She's just a buzz She's so cool.
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: I'm obsessed. And thank y'all for always letting me know
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: who I should have on the podcast. I love it.
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: I appreciate you telling me who's got ghost stories and
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: who would be a good vibe. Always keep those coming,
[1:06:33] Speaker 1: you know, on social media and our email Ghosted by
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: Ras at gmail dot com, all all that stuff. I
[1:06:39] Speaker 1: love this community of weirdos that listen to this podcast.
[1:06:44] Speaker 1: You're also great. It's the holiday season. I've got some
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[1:07:34] Speaker 1: you want a personalized video from me, you can get
[1:07:38] Speaker 1: a cameo. I love making them. I think they're an
[1:07:41] Speaker 1: amazing gift. I always give them as gifts to other
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[1:07:47] Speaker 1: they like this person, so I'll book a video. You
[1:07:50] Speaker 1: can get one of me on my cameo. There's a
[1:07:54] Speaker 1: link in my bio on Instagram or on my website,
[1:07:57] Speaker 1: Rosernandoz tour dot com. Just order it on the website.
[1:08:02] Speaker 1: Don't download the app and do it through the app
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: because then they take a certain amount of the money money,
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: and I don't get the money. Just do it through
[1:08:10] Speaker 1: the website. It's just so much better for me. Okay. Anyway,
[1:08:14] Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if
[1:08:17] Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me. Okay, back,
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: this has been an exactly right production. Want to share
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[1:09:10] Speaker 1: the Eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying
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