# Marc Sebastian Saw a Ghost at the Stanley Hotel

An episode of [Ghosted! by Roz Hernandez](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1450864418), 4 May 2026, 1 h 19 min.

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This week, Roz is visited by the magnetic Marc Sebastian, content creator, activist, and globe trotting ghost enthusiast! It’s a smorgasbord of spooky as the two dissect Marc’s latest adventures in ghost hunting: a mysterious encounter at The Hard Luck Castle, a spectral sighting at The Stanley hotel (also captured on video!), and a terrifying tale from Marc’s haunted childhood home in Long Island! Want to share YOUR paranormal experience on the podcast? Email your *short* stories to GhostedByRoz@gmail.com and maybe Roz will read it out loud on the show... or even call you! Be sure to follow the show @GhostedByRoz on Instagram. Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3WwYCsr See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:07] Speaker 1: What's that at the bed.
[0:10] Speaker 2: It's spooky.
[0:10] Speaker 1: Hey juky, I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
[0:14] Speaker 2: Wait a minute.
[0:16] Speaker 1: I'm ghosted as nandas plle. Hey boo, it's me Roz
[0:29] Speaker 1: and welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where
[0:34] Speaker 1: I talk to people that I like about the paranormal.
[0:39] Speaker 2: I really like this guy.
[0:41] Speaker 1: Uh, this is Mark Sebastian, who I'm sure at this point,
[0:46] Speaker 1: if you're on social media, you've probably seen in your algorithms.
[0:50] Speaker 1: It's called a Great American Gay side Quest. And he
[0:55] Speaker 1: goes all over the place, mainly not doing ghost like
[1:00] Speaker 1: he goes to like the coolest places across America, like
[1:05] Speaker 1: he I was just watching one where he was at
[1:08] Speaker 1: this Showgirl situation in Vegas. He got married in Vegas
[1:13] Speaker 1: at a really cool wedding chapel. He oh god, the
[1:18] Speaker 1: Puppet Museum in Atlanta. Like he's just always going to
[1:21] Speaker 1: fun places. And then he started doing ghost hunting videos,
[1:25] Speaker 1: which thank you everyone you all sent me. And he
[1:28] Speaker 1: just has a really fun style. I like the way
[1:31] Speaker 1: that he talks about this stuff and adventures, and we
[1:34] Speaker 1: have a lot in common. So we got him. He's here,
[1:39] Speaker 1: so we're going to get into that. He's got one
[1:40] Speaker 1: of the best ghost stories I've heard in a long time.
[1:43] Speaker 1: We're gonna hear that in a sec but first let
[1:46] Speaker 1: me tell you about me. I am going to be
[1:50] Speaker 1: single day Mayo, which, if you're listening to the Sadaya
[1:54] Speaker 1: comes out, that's tomorrow. I will be doing a show
[1:57] Speaker 1: with the True bad or the True Badour for the
[2:00] Speaker 1: Netflix as a joke festival, and I will be joined
[2:03] Speaker 1: by some ghosted favorites, including Dylan Adler, Vanessa Gonzalez, Vinnie Thomas,
[2:10] Speaker 1: and somebody else. Oh oh my god, Rachel Scanlon, who
[2:15] Speaker 1: could forget my dear? So you could go to that
[2:19] Speaker 1: fun show if you're in LA. I'm also doing my
[2:22] Speaker 1: first ever show in Vegas, and I really want people
[2:26] Speaker 1: to go because I've been asked to do shows in
[2:28] Speaker 1: Vegas for a long time, and I'm doing it on
[2:31] Speaker 1: a Tuesday, so it's gonna have to be the locals
[2:34] Speaker 1: most likely, So locals come on out spread the word.
[2:38] Speaker 1: I'm going to be there next week, which is the
[2:41] Speaker 1: twelfth of May, so come to that show. And I'm
[2:45] Speaker 1: kind of just getting my feet wet, but I'm gonna
[2:48] Speaker 1: get back out there depending on my schedule. I'm working
[2:51] Speaker 1: out some things so that I can get back on
[2:53] Speaker 1: the road and see you guys and do stand up
[2:55] Speaker 1: and make you laugh, and we'll take pictures and all
[2:58] Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So go to ros Hernandez tour
[3:02] Speaker 1: dot com for those tickets. All right, here's my conversation
[3:07] Speaker 1: with Mark Sebastian and with the show.
[3:15] Speaker 2: I don't believe that.
[3:18] Speaker 1: It's this must be a great American gay side quest
[3:25] Speaker 1: because we're joined by Mark Sebastian.
[3:28] Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, I'm really I'm so excited.
[3:32] Speaker 1: You know how I first heard about you because people
[3:35] Speaker 1: kept sending me your stuff. Oh good, good, Okay, because.
[3:41] Speaker 2: I think that you and I need me.
[3:44] Speaker 1: I felt this way for a while, and then and
[3:46] Speaker 1: then I went to West Hollywood for the first time
[3:49] Speaker 1: since literally when I used to be a local drag queen.
[3:54] Speaker 1: I probably hadn't been there since twenty nineteen. Who do
[3:56] Speaker 1: I see you?
[3:58] Speaker 2: And that's when we met. That's exactly when we and
[4:00] Speaker 2: now we're here. But I have been watching your stuff
[4:03] Speaker 2: for a while. I mean, I've already told you how
[4:05] Speaker 2: much I loved Living for.
[4:06] Speaker 1: The Dead your YouTube, but you haven't told everyone listening.
[4:10] Speaker 2: I need people to know. I think that that show
[4:13] Speaker 2: was a stroke of genius. Like I think that that
[4:15] Speaker 2: was like the slogan lightning in a bottle, Lightning in
[4:19] Speaker 2: a bottle. Yeah, I think you all struck lightning with that.
[4:22] Speaker 2: I'm pissed that, you know what, I just I loved
[4:27] Speaker 2: all of your energy. You also ghost hunt the exact
[4:29] Speaker 2: same way that I do, and I feel like not
[4:32] Speaker 2: a lot of us do it that way. I think
[4:34] Speaker 2: that there was a good mixture of people on that show,
[4:37] Speaker 2: but I feel like you really centered it in it,
[4:39] Speaker 2: like literally, because a lot of the people were like
[4:44] Speaker 2: very sensitive to what was going on, and you were like, mmm, no,
[4:47] Speaker 2: I feel like this is like this is what's going on.
[4:49] Speaker 2: You were telling jokes, you were making light of a
[4:51] Speaker 2: situation which, like many people would be scared of, and
[4:54] Speaker 2: I think that's the most important thing to do. I
[4:56] Speaker 2: think that that's how ghost hunting should be.
[4:58] Speaker 1: I agree, well, And that's the thing because like, I
[5:03] Speaker 1: don't really think I have any abilities like all those
[5:05] Speaker 1: other people, like they I don't know exactly what it's
[5:11] Speaker 1: like for like different psychics, but if they're like hearing
[5:15] Speaker 1: voices and seeing things, like I don't know how you
[5:18] Speaker 1: can just pay attention and focus. And I don't have
[5:22] Speaker 1: any of that me either, and so I'm just like,
[5:26] Speaker 1: let's just have a good time while we're also ghos
[5:30] Speaker 1: hunting is boring.
[5:32] Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more.
[5:33] Speaker 1: It's so boring.
[5:35] Speaker 2: It's so boring for the editors too, to go through
[5:37] Speaker 2: all of that footage to try to like listen for
[5:40] Speaker 2: one tiny little blip. I mean, I'm and me, I
[5:43] Speaker 2: am the editor for all my stuff, So I'm just
[5:45] Speaker 2: like bored as hell.
[5:48] Speaker 1: Okay, walk me through how we got here today. So
[5:55] Speaker 1: you start doing content, but you didn't start with ghost hunting, right,
[6:00] Speaker 1: So how did that start?
[6:03] Speaker 2: Ghost Hunting is started basically I was modeling before everything.
[6:07] Speaker 2: I was like a full time mail model.
[6:09] Speaker 1: You really, like a real model?
[6:10] Speaker 2: Can you believe? Because you know I can't.
[6:12] Speaker 1: How do you feel when people are like, yeah, model
[6:14] Speaker 1: and like but I'm like, that's so good for them,
[6:17] Speaker 1: But you have receipts. I've seen the receipts.
[6:20] Speaker 2: I do have receepts, you know what. I think that
[6:22] Speaker 2: modeling is much like like being a writer or an
[6:27] Speaker 2: actor or anything. Until you actually do it, you have
[6:31] Speaker 2: to like constantly tell people that you are, you know,
[6:33] Speaker 2: even if you're not getting paid for doing it. And
[6:35] Speaker 2: there's just a lot of people who, really, I don't know,
[6:38] Speaker 2: want to be a model. I don't know why. I
[6:40] Speaker 2: don't know why anyone desires that. It's a very unfulfilling,
[6:44] Speaker 2: like sort of brain dead job. I can talk about
[6:47] Speaker 2: it that way, I can say bad things about modeling.
[6:50] Speaker 1: My thing with my experience with people that are models, well, like,
[6:54] Speaker 1: there's always the subject of people where it's like nobody
[6:58] Speaker 1: asked you to model, like you just kind of decided
[7:01] Speaker 1: you want to do it.
[7:02] Speaker 2: Well, sometimes people do ask other people to model. It's
[7:04] Speaker 2: just like and those are usually the people that end
[7:07] Speaker 2: up doing well. People.
[7:08] Speaker 1: The ones that do well are the ones that get found. Yes,
[7:11] Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about is the people that are like,
[7:13] Speaker 1: I'm a model, and it's like no one wants.
[7:15] Speaker 2: You to be That's exactly how I feel. People love
[7:19] Speaker 2: to call themselves a model. People also do like one
[7:22] Speaker 2: shoot or one runway show and then they try to
[7:24] Speaker 2: get signed to an agency, and I think that that's
[7:28] Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't think that that's the best
[7:30] Speaker 2: use of their time. I think that I don't know,
[7:34] Speaker 2: aspiring to just be pretty or just be a model
[7:38] Speaker 2: and like a social media and just to get like
[7:41] Speaker 2: followers or something doesn't interest me as much. But I
[7:44] Speaker 2: also think that I come from like a place of
[7:46] Speaker 2: privilege that like I've already been there, done that, and
[7:49] Speaker 2: lived a thousand lives. So if that's really what someone
[7:51] Speaker 2: wants to go out and do, do it up. But also,
[7:53] Speaker 2: you're going to be broke because models don't make money.
[7:55] Speaker 2: Male models definitely don't make money. You're kidding. Models makes
[7:59] Speaker 2: your money. You have to pay basically to be on
[8:01] Speaker 2: a magazine cover.
[8:03] Speaker 1: Well, if there's any mail models out there that I
[8:06] Speaker 1: would like to meet, me, find me. So you start
[8:15] Speaker 1: doing content. So let's just fast forward to.
[8:20] Speaker 2: Like, I'm not a tangent Mont modeling.
[8:22] Speaker 1: No, it's okay. The ghost hunting side of this, you
[8:27] Speaker 1: what was the first one that you did.
[8:29] Speaker 2: First ghost hunting thing I did was the Stanley Hotel.
[8:33] Speaker 2: I went big. I started doing a great American guys
[8:37] Speaker 2: side quest because I had been lucky enough to travel
[8:42] Speaker 2: to all summer continents and I was like, Okay, that
[8:45] Speaker 2: was my dream by the time I was thirty. I
[8:46] Speaker 2: did it by the time I was thirty four whatever,
[8:50] Speaker 2: and I was like, but I feel like I haven't
[8:51] Speaker 2: explored a lot of the country in which I live,
[8:54] Speaker 2: so I'm going to go find all the really cool
[8:56] Speaker 2: things to do. I'm obsessed with collecting things. I always say,
[9:00] Speaker 2: I don't trust anyone that doesn't collect something, so I
[9:02] Speaker 2: sort of use the road trip. I know, trust me,
[9:05] Speaker 2: And I was seeing and the liboraci don't.
[9:07] Speaker 1: I collect Sylvia Brown books, love, Okay, And apparently now
[9:11] Speaker 1: I collect Sylvia Brown everything because thank you people that
[9:15] Speaker 1: have sent me to my peel box.
[9:17] Speaker 2: Wow.
[9:18] Speaker 1: I go to my peel box and almost every day
[9:20] Speaker 1: there's a no I actually have on my website. It
[9:23] Speaker 1: says no haunted objects. And I've had to put that
[9:27] Speaker 1: for a reason, wow, because they have arrived on my doorstep.
[9:31] Speaker 2: Oh my god.
[9:33] Speaker 1: But yeah, now I've got a Sylvia Brown mug. I've
[9:36] Speaker 1: got a Sylvia Brown. I've got stickers, magnets, everything you
[9:41] Speaker 1: could ever ask for.
[9:43] Speaker 2: What do you collect? Rocks, miniature crystals? Yeah, more more
[9:50] Speaker 2: like gems like that I found throughout the country. I
[9:53] Speaker 2: mean like sapphires, opals, sunstones, rubies, Okay, fossils, a lot
[9:58] Speaker 2: of fossils agate, I really love exactly, And I was
[10:05] Speaker 2: you heard me? I said, agit.
[10:07] Speaker 1: This is an ago, is it?
[10:09] Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh cute, that's dope.
[10:10] Speaker 1: Do you want to know how I figured this out?
[10:12] Speaker 1: How true story. I'm at a swap meet. I'm looking
[10:19] Speaker 1: at these beautiful rings, and I say, I'm just I'm
[10:22] Speaker 1: literally looking at this ring. I'm trying to cover up
[10:24] Speaker 1: my nails because they fellow. I'm literally looking at this
[10:28] Speaker 1: ring beautiful. And all of a sudden, I hear a voice,
[10:31] Speaker 1: this woman behind the counter. She goes, Yep, I get
[10:38] Speaker 1: a lot of baggots, and you said.
[10:43] Speaker 2: The exact same thing.
[10:44] Speaker 1: I said, excuse me, mm hmm. She said agots, I
[10:48] Speaker 1: got a lot of them, and I said same, I'm
[10:53] Speaker 1: about to get me a lot of baggots.
[10:56] Speaker 2: I was even looking for fire ragt so abbreviated I think.
[11:00] Speaker 1: I've been there before. I so I bought three aggots, okay,
[11:07] Speaker 1: and now I wear them all the time.
[11:08] Speaker 2: I love aga, I I've loved as, I love vagot,
[11:14] Speaker 2: love vagos, I love vagots.
[11:17] Speaker 1: So back to you.
[11:18] Speaker 2: So, I wanted to do this sort of road trip
[11:21] Speaker 2: where I started at a sapphire mine in Montana and
[11:25] Speaker 2: ended in Denver at the Stanley Hotel. Just a bunch
[11:29] Speaker 2: of things did you have like equipment, Like, no, it
[11:31] Speaker 2: was just me and my iPhone every single season. That's
[11:33] Speaker 2: how you need. Literally every single season I've done so
[11:37] Speaker 2: far has been filmed with me and my iPhone. I've
[11:39] Speaker 2: edited almost every video, I've produced every video. It's just
[11:43] Speaker 2: been like a lot easier to do that than having
[11:47] Speaker 2: to worry about a bunch of other people's schedules. I
[11:50] Speaker 2: can go do it.
[11:52] Speaker 1: I'm so with you on that, because I started doing
[11:56] Speaker 1: Michos hunting series like two years ago over something where
[12:00] Speaker 1: I go find guys on grinder to go go something
[12:02] Speaker 1: with on hotel rooms, and part of that mind thank you.
[12:09] Speaker 1: Part of that was like I don't want I don't
[12:12] Speaker 1: need anyone's input. I don't want to have to deal
[12:15] Speaker 1: with schedules. I can do this when I have a
[12:18] Speaker 1: weekend free or whatever. And unfortunately, like so often, so
[12:24] Speaker 1: sorry ladies, Like there's so many brilliant lesbians in the
[12:28] Speaker 1: world that are like, let me come on, but I'm like,
[12:31] Speaker 1: I need to find someone that night. I need Like,
[12:36] Speaker 1: so if there's a lesbian grinder or something, I'm not
[12:40] Speaker 1: gonna schedule, Hey, are you available this day? I can't.
[12:43] Speaker 2: I have to be like who's free right now, right now,
[12:46] Speaker 2: fantasy is sort of the whole timeline of grinders right
[12:49] Speaker 2: now exactly.
[12:52] Speaker 1: So before we get to Stanley, did you, like, where
[13:01] Speaker 1: were you with ghosts, Like, did you believe in them?
[13:03] Speaker 1: Had you had experiences?
[13:05] Speaker 2: I have always believed in ghosts for my entire life.
[13:09] Speaker 2: As I told you, I'm born November first, which someone
[13:12] Speaker 2: once told me that that meant I was more susceptible
[13:15] Speaker 2: of the paranormal activity that was happening around you.
[13:17] Speaker 1: Literally, if someone just tells me one thing once forever,
[13:20] Speaker 1: I'm like that my personality told me that I'm going
[13:23] Speaker 1: to marry a Jewish man literally like twenty years ago.
[13:27] Speaker 2: And so you're on all the Jewish dating sites I'm
[13:30] Speaker 2: on Jay now.
[13:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, and it has not come true, but those the
[13:34] Speaker 1: only psychic and I've been to hundreds at this point
[13:38] Speaker 1: that ever told me that. And I'm if I meet
[13:40] Speaker 1: a Jewish guy, I'm like to say, you know, it's
[13:43] Speaker 1: possible I might be your life.
[13:45] Speaker 2: Huh. Wow. That's a great way to open up a
[13:47] Speaker 2: conversation as well on a first date.
[13:50] Speaker 1: I've tried it many times and it turns out it's
[13:52] Speaker 1: not a great way.
[13:52] Speaker 2: Oh well, I think that's more on them than it
[13:55] Speaker 2: is on you. Yeah, because the right guy will then
[13:58] Speaker 2: be like, wow, maybe you are, or alternatively, maybe they'll
[14:03] Speaker 2: say I also met a psyekic and they told me
[14:06] Speaker 2: that you were going to be my wife.
[14:07] Speaker 1: That's the thing. I need to find another dumb dumb.
[14:10] Speaker 1: I need to find someone that's.
[14:11] Speaker 2: Like so important to find dumb dumbs.
[14:13] Speaker 1: Well, my astrologers at one time.
[14:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, hard to find any any good dumb dumbs. These days,
[14:19] Speaker 2: I can sit down and have a conversation about that
[14:21] Speaker 2: is true astronomy.
[14:26] Speaker 1: Okay, wait, so where'd you grow up? I'm wait, I'm
[14:29] Speaker 1: going to guess you grew up in like New England.
[14:32] Speaker 2: Not technically no, but I grew up in Long Island.
[14:36] Speaker 1: Okay.
[14:37] Speaker 2: So I've always said that there's the Long Island medium.
[14:39] Speaker 2: I'm more of the Long Island's small Okay.
[14:43] Speaker 1: Did you ever see her around?
[14:45] Speaker 2: No? Never?
[14:45] Speaker 1: Unfortunately, you're telling me you would go to Deli's and
[14:48] Speaker 1: she wouldn't come up to you.
[14:49] Speaker 2: It's not devastating. My mother talks like her, though, and
[14:52] Speaker 2: I still have I for some of my words. I
[14:54] Speaker 2: feel like, if I ever get angrier, I'm talking super
[14:56] Speaker 2: fast and long Island will come out. But I feel
[14:58] Speaker 2: like I'm very conscious sort of suppressed my long Island accent,
[15:02] Speaker 2: which I regret now because I feel like it would
[15:04] Speaker 2: have made me so much cooler than having a sort
[15:06] Speaker 2: of whatever.
[15:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, you're pretty neutral right now. Yeah, did you ever
[15:11] Speaker 1: go to the Amneville House.
[15:12] Speaker 2: Of course I've But the Amitieville house is not actually
[15:15] Speaker 2: the one that people go to, is not actually the
[15:16] Speaker 2: real Amityville house. There's like one that looks like the
[15:19] Speaker 2: Amityville house, and then down the street is the actual
[15:21] Speaker 2: Amityville house.
[15:22] Speaker 1: Oh well, that's kind of genius that they throw people
[15:25] Speaker 1: off exactly.
[15:25] Speaker 2: I think that the one that was built they changed
[15:30] Speaker 2: the outside of the actual house because they were getting
[15:32] Speaker 2: too many visitors. And then I think that one of
[15:34] Speaker 2: the other places down the street changed their out like
[15:38] Speaker 2: outer face of their house, the exterior of their house
[15:40] Speaker 2: to match the actual Amityville house. And then I think
[15:43] Speaker 2: charged people to like take photos or whatever in it.
[15:45] Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of nice for the people.
[15:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, Amnyville. The Omnyville horror house story is so crazy
[15:51] Speaker 2: because it's like one of the biggest paranormal investigations to
[15:54] Speaker 2: ever happened.
[15:54] Speaker 1: And it's like I had none of that.
[15:57] Speaker 2: What do you say, don't I don't really buy a
[15:59] Speaker 2: lot of it. Like I like have been very honestly
[16:06] Speaker 2: struggling lately about about the paranormal. I talked to me,
[16:10] Speaker 2: and that's why I wanted to come on here and talk.
[16:11] Speaker 1: To you, because I am I've been struggling to I.
[16:14] Speaker 2: Feel like, like as I said, I've had such a
[16:18] Speaker 2: giant paranormal presence in my life. I feel like I've
[16:21] Speaker 2: always believed in ghosts. I've always They've always terrified me.
[16:25] Speaker 2: And then the more that I've explored the paranormal, like
[16:28] Speaker 2: the more haunted places that I've gone to, I believe
[16:32] Speaker 2: in ghosts. Okay, thank you, and I and I know
[16:36] Speaker 2: that I will never discredit anyone's experiences. If that's like
[16:41] Speaker 2: what you've experienced, I am so happy that you've had that.
[16:44] Speaker 2: And I've definitely experienced some things that have been unexplainable,
[16:48] Speaker 2: but I just have never felt super uncomfortable in a
[16:53] Speaker 2: space that has like been famously haunted, like going in
[16:58] Speaker 2: the Stanley Hotel, going on the Queen Mary in the
[17:02] Speaker 2: Clown Motel, the clim Hotel. Please, I loved it, slept
[17:05] Speaker 2: so nice slept in silence in the pitch black because
[17:07] Speaker 2: I was not unscared. I also put on a full
[17:09] Speaker 2: clown beat to go ghost hunting.
[17:12] Speaker 1: I love that.
[17:12] Speaker 2: I was fab but I mean, and you've been to
[17:15] Speaker 2: the clim Hotel, like you've had a lot of people
[17:17] Speaker 2: had experiences from your show in there. I just didn't
[17:21] Speaker 2: feel that much. It wasn't that freak.
[17:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So here's where I've landed at this point.
[17:28] Speaker 1: I feel like there's definitely places that are probably haunted,
[17:35] Speaker 1: especially these places where there's a lot of foot traffic
[17:39] Speaker 1: or like a lot of people going looking for the ghosts.
[17:41] Speaker 1: I think those ghosts are like they need a day
[17:44] Speaker 1: off sometimes, and it happens to be every time I'm there.
[17:47] Speaker 2: And I.
[17:51] Speaker 1: When it comes to like my overall beliefs of like
[17:54] Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna go so far as to say
[17:56] Speaker 1: I don't believe in ghosts because of my experiences, but
[18:00] Speaker 1: I just don't think everything's a ghost. I've literally been
[18:04] Speaker 1: to places where I've seen I'll tell you one. I
[18:08] Speaker 1: went to this place in Joshua Tree, and when I'm
[18:11] Speaker 1: on YouTube, the TV show Ghost Adventures went there and
[18:16] Speaker 1: they kept showing that their emf meter was like going
[18:21] Speaker 1: crazy outside of the most haunted room, and I go
[18:25] Speaker 1: there and it starts going crazy. I start waving this
[18:28] Speaker 1: thing around. I realize off camera to the side is
[18:35] Speaker 1: an Internet router that makes the machine go crazy. Now,
[18:42] Speaker 1: come on, and this is the thing. When you're making
[18:47] Speaker 1: paranormal TV, there's a lot of instinct to, oh, you
[18:54] Speaker 1: have to show scary stuff happening all the time. And
[18:59] Speaker 1: I I think, if you're fun and funny and whatever,
[19:02] Speaker 1: you don't Hello.
[19:04] Speaker 2: I've said this a million times. I think that.
[19:10] Speaker 1: Everyone's faking. Like I'm telling you, I watch these YouTube shows.
[19:15] Speaker 1: These bitches are faking. But and I'm sure people realize
[19:19] Speaker 1: that or they don't care or whatever. It is fine,
[19:23] Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, that's not what it's about.
[19:28] Speaker 2: For me.
[19:29] Speaker 1: I want to see if something's real, and if it is,
[19:31] Speaker 1: I'll tell you. But if there's nothing happening, I'll also
[19:34] Speaker 1: tell you that and hopefully you know, you'll laugh and
[19:38] Speaker 1: you'll like my outfit.
[19:40] Speaker 2: I think if you're ghost hunting a period on the
[19:43] Speaker 2: last part most certainly, I feel like if you're ghost
[19:46] Speaker 2: hunting and your entire video relies solely on the fact
[19:48] Speaker 2: that you've captured something. You're not doing a very good,
[19:52] Speaker 2: very good job at hosting the hunt.
[19:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
[19:55] Speaker 2: I've also been with so many people who have thought
[19:58] Speaker 2: that that's what I would have wanted in the video,
[20:01] Speaker 2: so that they've been like super traumatic and super excitable
[20:04] Speaker 2: and they get really scared very easily. And I'm just like,
[20:09] Speaker 2: I don't know what we're doing here.
[20:10] Speaker 1: But here's what I'll say about that. I do think
[20:14] Speaker 1: the audience likes being scared, of course, when they're watching
[20:20] Speaker 1: these things and there's a there is a type of
[20:22] Speaker 1: paranormal investigator that's been doing this for forever and they're
[20:26] Speaker 1: not even scared. They view the ghosts like they're humans
[20:29] Speaker 1: and whatever. And I'm like, I want to be scared
[20:33] Speaker 1: a little bit watching this. So and I I personally
[20:36] Speaker 1: do get fucking scared being at these places by myself.
[20:42] Speaker 2: So I.
[20:44] Speaker 1: I I'm okay with people being scared now if they're
[20:47] Speaker 1: like faking it, Like I don't like any faking.
[20:50] Speaker 2: I agree, I don't like any faking whatsoever. Everyone always
[20:53] Speaker 2: asks how I sleep at all these paranormal places. I
[20:56] Speaker 2: don't do that.
[20:57] Speaker 1: I don't sleep at them.
[20:58] Speaker 2: No, oh, I sleep whatever one of them.
[21:00] Speaker 1: No, I don't do that. Oh we did that living
[21:02] Speaker 1: for the dead, and I'll never do it again.
[21:04] Speaker 2: I mean mine sponsored by ambient That's that's how I sleep.
[21:08] Speaker 1: Good for you.
[21:08] Speaker 2: I sleep well and I sleep deep and hard, good
[21:12] Speaker 2: for you. All by yourself, all by myself, like in
[21:16] Speaker 2: the Cloud Hotel and the Stanley Hotel.
[21:18] Speaker 1: Queen Mary wasn't by myself. I was with my friend Mel.
[21:21] Speaker 2: But you know, I agree with I want people. I
[21:26] Speaker 2: want to be scared when I'm watching these things. It's
[21:27] Speaker 2: very difficult to frighten me. I will say that the
[21:31] Speaker 2: most scared that I've been on any of these trips
[21:35] Speaker 2: was not even in a allegedly haunted place. It was
[21:39] Speaker 2: in this place called the hard Luck Castle, which is
[21:42] Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere, Nevada. It's twenty five miles
[21:46] Speaker 2: to the nearest person, terrifying h and the twenty five
[21:50] Speaker 2: mile marker is pretty much Area fifty one. That's like
[21:53] Speaker 2: the nearest person with the boundary of Area fifty one,
[21:57] Speaker 2: so it's like right next Area fifty one. Went up
[22:00] Speaker 2: there on a sort of like random day. This girl
[22:04] Speaker 2: who works with me, she helps find all these different places,
[22:07] Speaker 2: and I just went there. I really loved it. The
[22:10] Speaker 2: first night I was there, I was like not scared
[22:11] Speaker 2: at all, even though it was pitch blackout.
[22:13] Speaker 1: What's the story? Like, what's it supposed to?
[22:15] Speaker 2: It is a huge like round castle on a giant
[22:19] Speaker 2: mountain in Nevada. That inside of it is a one
[22:23] Speaker 2: of like the only like twenty eight pipe organs in America.
[22:29] Speaker 2: It doesn't work anymore.
[22:30] Speaker 1: But there's also like a huge spiral staircase.
[22:32] Speaker 2: There's an observatory at the top that's all glass, but
[22:35] Speaker 2: it's built over an old gold mine, old gold mine,
[22:40] Speaker 2: so built over an old gold mine, people can go
[22:42] Speaker 2: underneath it. It's very like the descent down there. Oh god,
[22:47] Speaker 2: I know, but I only looked at the sort of
[22:50] Speaker 2: beginning of the mine. I did not go fully into
[22:53] Speaker 2: the mine because I was a little frightened. But the
[22:55] Speaker 2: second night that I was there, I stayed there because
[22:57] Speaker 2: I liked it so much. I thought that it was
[22:59] Speaker 2: such a cool place. I didn't get the footage I
[23:01] Speaker 2: really wanted, which was like having a day and night tours,
[23:03] Speaker 2: so I stayed the extra night. That second night. I've
[23:07] Speaker 2: never been so scared of my life because I needed
[23:09] Speaker 2: to go get something out of my car. I needed
[23:10] Speaker 2: to get my sleeping pills out of the car. I
[23:13] Speaker 2: forgot them in there, and when I went outside, I
[23:16] Speaker 2: could not see my hand in front of my face.
[23:18] Speaker 2: I've never seen darkness like that in my entire life.
[23:20] Speaker 2: You could see every single star, like the galaxies. It
[23:24] Speaker 2: was just frightening. And so I'm making up all these
[23:27] Speaker 2: stories inside of my head. I'm going, well, what if
[23:29] Speaker 2: the skin walker jumps from on top of the balcony
[23:32] Speaker 2: and then you know, drags me to the ground, or
[23:35] Speaker 2: what if I'm in the car and then I turned
[23:36] Speaker 2: the headlights on and there's something standing there. Because I
[23:38] Speaker 2: can freak myself out so easily, much more so than
[23:41] Speaker 2: a ghost can do it, and I had to stay there.
[23:44] Speaker 2: But the scariest part, and this is on camera as well,
[23:46] Speaker 2: was that I was like having a conversation with my phone,
[23:49] Speaker 2: because that's usually what I do when I'm really scared,
[23:51] Speaker 2: because like it just feels like I'm talking to people,
[23:53] Speaker 2: I'm having a conversation and being like I feel like
[23:55] Speaker 2: this is going to happen. I feel like this is
[23:56] Speaker 2: gonna happen. And then I see something out of the
[23:58] Speaker 2: corner of my eye move outside the window, and I
[24:00] Speaker 2: look and I'm like, Okay, no, I didn't just see
[24:03] Speaker 2: that there's no way. I saw that there's absolutely no way.
[24:06] Speaker 2: And then I look over again I see something. I
[24:07] Speaker 2: definitely see something move out of the window, and I go,
[24:09] Speaker 2: oh my god. And I don't know, I don't know
[24:14] Speaker 2: what I thought it would be. I don't know if
[24:15] Speaker 2: I thought it would be an alien or skin walker.
[24:17] Speaker 2: But I go up to the window. I'm like having
[24:19] Speaker 2: a panic attack. I put the window, the phone up
[24:21] Speaker 2: to the window, and as as it like focuses, it
[24:24] Speaker 2: is a giant owl. Like I'm talking, like this big
[24:28] Speaker 2: massive owl, just like sitting that last part out a
[24:33] Speaker 2: giant owl.
[24:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, we just want we just want the part that
[24:36] Speaker 1: feels like a ghost story.
[24:37] Speaker 2: I know. Well, but that being said, there is evidence
[24:42] Speaker 2: to explain, or ever evidence rather to promote the theory
[24:46] Speaker 2: that sometimes aliens come down in the form of owls.
[24:49] Speaker 1: There we go, We got there.
[24:51] Speaker 2: I think it's from the Fourth Kind. That's movie whatever
[24:56] Speaker 2: that movie is, that's like set it's about aliens and
[24:58] Speaker 2: Gnome Alaska. I forget what that movie is called, but
[25:02] Speaker 2: it's that is like talks all about the owl. The
[25:04] Speaker 2: person who is being abducted by aliens all the time,
[25:07] Speaker 2: sees them as owls.
[25:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean there's stories of like witches turning
[25:13] Speaker 1: into owls and stuff like that. Maybe it's some spooky
[25:17] Speaker 1: or a skin walker, a shape shift.
[25:19] Speaker 2: Why I thought that the skin walker was actually what
[25:21] Speaker 2: scared me the most. I also love cryptids. I know
[25:23] Speaker 2: Vinnie Thomas as well does, but I'm a big like
[25:26] Speaker 2: I may not believe in ghost but I firmly believe
[25:28] Speaker 2: that there is maybe one to two big feats.
[25:31] Speaker 1: Did you hear about they've been talking about this the
[25:36] Speaker 1: famous Patterson Gimlin tape, the original tape. It's turning out
[25:41] Speaker 1: that it's pretty convincing that it is not real.
[25:46] Speaker 2: We can't have any we cannot have nice things. I know.
[25:49] Speaker 1: It's like everything is coming out at once right now
[25:52] Speaker 1: with like truths of the world, and I don't it's
[25:56] Speaker 1: too much at once, bigfoot ghosts, But that's where I
[26:01] Speaker 1: like ghosts. The ghosts. I don't think we'll ever be
[26:06] Speaker 1: able to like confirm, not the way that like you
[26:09] Speaker 1: could with aliens or something or a bigfoot or like
[26:12] Speaker 1: I think ghosts, it's always going to be mysterious and
[26:15] Speaker 1: we're never gonna.
[26:16] Speaker 2: Know what's your most convincing story of the power normal,
[26:24] Speaker 2: like something that made you go okay, that really made
[26:28] Speaker 2: me think, okay, there's something outside of it.
[26:30] Speaker 1: I'll tell you.
[26:31] Speaker 2: Please do and i'll tell you mine.
[26:34] Speaker 1: After I went to a place that I has come
[26:38] Speaker 1: to my attention. You've been the Copper Queen.
[26:42] Speaker 2: Oh my god.
[26:43] Speaker 1: Yes, the Copper Queen Hotel in Bisbee, Arizona is hands
[26:50] Speaker 1: down the scariest place I have ever been.
[26:55] Speaker 2: Wow.
[26:55] Speaker 1: I will never step foot in that place again, that's
[26:58] Speaker 1: not true. I probably would. Money's right.
[27:02] Speaker 2: Always, If the money's right, we all have a prize.
[27:05] Speaker 1: I love the town of Bisbee, have been on earth.
[27:10] Speaker 2: Love it. We should go and they would welcome us
[27:13] Speaker 2: with open arms.
[27:14] Speaker 1: They're the nicest people there. It's the most beautiful little
[27:17] Speaker 1: town had. Then and then you go to hell, which
[27:22] Speaker 1: is the fucking Copper Queen. I mean, lovely place, lovely staff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[27:29] Speaker 1: I had to stay there for seven days or something
[27:32] Speaker 1: like that, many days when we shot Living for the
[27:36] Speaker 1: Dead there, which anyone wondering you cannot see it anywhere.
[27:41] Speaker 2: That was the TV, which is me the hell off.
[27:43] Speaker 2: Like that really angers me, because like it's such a
[27:47] Speaker 2: good show, more people should be able to see it.
[27:49] Speaker 2: I feel like queer ghost hunting is such an unexplored,
[27:53] Speaker 2: pun intended medium, but it's so annoying. It's so frustrating
[27:57] Speaker 2: that that people can't watch. The genus side is.
[28:00] Speaker 1: Well, we're doing it, you and I have right now.
[28:05] Speaker 1: So we stayed there, and for a few days that
[28:08] Speaker 1: we stayed there, there was nobody in the building. We
[28:10] Speaker 1: had the full place to ourselves, us and our crew.
[28:15] Speaker 1: And I have told this story many times, but it
[28:17] Speaker 1: still gets under my skin. I had countless things happened there,
[28:22] Speaker 1: so many and I'm not the first one to say
[28:26] Speaker 1: that's a ghost, that's a goops. The one that really
[28:29] Speaker 1: got me I was hanging out with the crew. It
[28:32] Speaker 1: was late because there was no way I was sleeping,
[28:34] Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, these people are partying and
[28:37] Speaker 1: having a good time. I'm just gonna hang out with them,
[28:39] Speaker 1: you know, like the little lobby kind of like real small.
[28:45] Speaker 1: But we're sitting down there and there's like the cool staircase.
[28:49] Speaker 2: Because that's what we're talking about.
[28:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, We're sitting in the lobby, everyone's laughing, having a
[28:55] Speaker 1: good time, being loud. Whenever all of a sudden we
[28:59] Speaker 1: hear this like, no, Well, actually, I was facing the
[29:04] Speaker 1: stairs and all of a sudden, I see something go
[29:07] Speaker 1: onto the ground and I'm processing it and then as
[29:11] Speaker 1: soon as it hits the ground, everyone goes, what the
[29:13] Speaker 1: hell was that? And we're like, and I saw that
[29:19] Speaker 1: the thing just went down and it was a coffee pod,
[29:23] Speaker 1: like a kr Rig coffee pod thing, and it had
[29:27] Speaker 1: flown down the stairs. And the straightest men that didn't
[29:35] Speaker 1: believe in this stuff, and they filmed these TV shows
[29:37] Speaker 1: a million times and nothing's ever happened to them. They
[29:40] Speaker 1: were stunned. We had a rule that nobody can fuck
[29:44] Speaker 1: with each other like this, and they went right up
[29:47] Speaker 1: to the stairs instantly and there was nobody around, like
[29:50] Speaker 1: so it It's always been in the back of my
[29:52] Speaker 1: mind that somebody could have done that. But I grabbed
[29:56] Speaker 1: people by the shirt collars the next day and I
[29:59] Speaker 1: was like, dude, tell me, dude then, and I really
[30:02] Speaker 1: don't think that anyone did.
[30:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got like they were showing off for you.
[30:07] Speaker 1: That was crazy. That is now, what was your experience there?
[30:12] Speaker 2: I had like a one when I was a child
[30:14] Speaker 2: and one when I like recently, you want it?
[30:17] Speaker 1: Wait, wait, these are that you're scarious. Yeah, okay, yeah,
[30:20] Speaker 1: tell me you're scariest, and then I want to hear
[30:21] Speaker 1: about you at the Copper Queen.
[30:22] Speaker 2: Okay, my I think my scariest really was when I
[30:26] Speaker 2: was a kid, when I was like, I think probably
[30:29] Speaker 2: thirteen or fourteen. My dad passed away when I was twelve,
[30:33] Speaker 2: and when he was sick, he would always talk to
[30:35] Speaker 2: me about how if I was being really bad, if
[30:37] Speaker 2: I was misbehaving, that he was going to come back
[30:39] Speaker 2: and haunt me, and that like I knew it would
[30:40] Speaker 2: be him. And so I for the entirety of my life,
[30:43] Speaker 2: I was always petrified of my house because after he
[30:45] Speaker 2: passed away, I was like, oh my god, he's going
[30:47] Speaker 2: to come back and haunt me, and like I know
[30:48] Speaker 2: it's going to be him. And there would be times
[30:51] Speaker 2: where I would be like looking in the refrigerator and
[30:53] Speaker 2: feel like I saw someone behind me and like the
[30:55] Speaker 2: reflection of it a white refrigerator, can you believe? And
[30:58] Speaker 2: I would feel like, I know, that's this various part
[31:00] Speaker 2: of the story, but I would I would like look
[31:03] Speaker 2: see something. There would be time where I would wake
[31:04] Speaker 2: up in the middle of the night and the exactly
[31:07] Speaker 2: but as a human it was an. It was a
[31:10] Speaker 2: human and owl drag. I know, you really feel like
[31:14] Speaker 2: you saw like no one hundred percent. But behind me,
[31:16] Speaker 2: I would always see things. I would wake up in
[31:18] Speaker 2: the the faucets would be on. There would just be
[31:20] Speaker 2: like certain things that I would really get freaked out.
[31:22] Speaker 2: But then something really weird happened, which was I came
[31:25] Speaker 2: home from school one day the phone was ringing. As
[31:27] Speaker 2: soon as I got off the bus, I walked up
[31:29] Speaker 2: the stairs and I went to go into the phone
[31:32] Speaker 2: in my mom's room, which is the room where my
[31:33] Speaker 2: father passed away. He was like in a hassa's bed
[31:35] Speaker 2: that was next to my mom's bed. And as I'm
[31:38] Speaker 2: walking in, I noticed that my mom has it's probably
[31:40] Speaker 2: a year and a half after he passed away. I'm
[31:42] Speaker 2: noticing that she has taken all the decorative pillows that
[31:44] Speaker 2: she had once put up in the attic because it
[31:47] Speaker 2: was like too much for you know, to do every morning.
[31:50] Speaker 2: She had all these little decorative pillows like every Longhland
[31:52] Speaker 2: mother does has like these pillows that have like one
[31:55] Speaker 2: side that are like, you know, a beautiful embroidery or whatever,
[31:58] Speaker 2: and then the other side is just very plain and
[31:59] Speaker 2: so so I noticed walking in. I was like, these pillows,
[32:02] Speaker 2: she's putting our pillows back out, like she must be
[32:04] Speaker 2: doing okay, like she's It was just like a heart
[32:05] Speaker 2: warring moment of being like, oh, my mom's like getting
[32:07] Speaker 2: back into her groove again. I hear the phone ringing.
[32:10] Speaker 2: I go into the room. I pick up the phone.
[32:12] Speaker 2: It's my mom. She's asking me what I want for dinner.
[32:14] Speaker 2: I'm like talking to her for a second and I
[32:16] Speaker 2: go oh, like, also, I saw that you put the
[32:18] Speaker 2: pillows out, and she was like oh yeah, blah blah blah.
[32:21] Speaker 2: And then I hear knock out the front door and
[32:22] Speaker 2: I go, oh, hold on, Mom, sorry, someone's at the
[32:24] Speaker 2: front door. And I can hear my dog and he's
[32:26] Speaker 2: like scratching at the front glass, and I'm going, oh, wait,
[32:29] Speaker 2: hold on, someone really is here, and let me put
[32:30] Speaker 2: the phone down. I put the phone down. I walk
[32:32] Speaker 2: out of my mom's room. I walk down the stairs.
[32:33] Speaker 2: I go to the door. There's no one there, and
[32:35] Speaker 2: I was like, okay, that was weird. So I opened
[32:38] Speaker 2: the door and people are still at the bus stop
[32:40] Speaker 2: from when they just got dropped off. So I am
[32:43] Speaker 2: asking people, hey, who just came up and knocked to
[32:44] Speaker 2: my door and they were like, no one knocked on
[32:47] Speaker 2: your door. And I was like, what I just heard knocking?
[32:50] Speaker 2: My dog was scratching at the glass. What is going on?
[32:53] Speaker 2: So but I didn't think anything of it. I thought
[32:55] Speaker 2: they were just like fucking with me, honestly. So then
[32:58] Speaker 2: I start walking up the stairs and as I'm walking
[32:59] Speaker 2: the stairs, I know to set. The door to my
[33:01] Speaker 2: mother's room is closed, and I did not close the door.
[33:04] Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, that's really weird because I definitely
[33:06] Speaker 2: didn't close the door. She's still on the phone. Yeah,
[33:09] Speaker 2: she's still on the phone on the bed. The phone
[33:11] Speaker 2: is I left the phone on the bed, like literally
[33:13] Speaker 2: right on the bed and ran downstairs. So I see
[33:17] Speaker 2: that the door is closed. I opened the door. The
[33:19] Speaker 2: phone is on the floor, and I'm like, oh my god,
[33:22] Speaker 2: what is going on? And then I look at the
[33:24] Speaker 2: I look at the bed. All the pillows are flipped,
[33:27] Speaker 2: all the pillows that were flipped from the actual I
[33:30] Speaker 2: know I have This is like this story is like
[33:32] Speaker 2: one that's like it makes me feel so scared because
[33:35] Speaker 2: I feel like people are gonna think I'm absolutely insane.
[33:37] Speaker 2: But this is that podcast. So we're I'm telling you, yeah,
[33:40] Speaker 2: I'm not here. I saw the pillows were flipped. I
[33:43] Speaker 2: know that the pillows were flipped. Like I remember looking
[33:46] Speaker 2: at the embroider. I remember seeing the flowers and the
[33:48] Speaker 2: little house, and then as I walked back in, the
[33:50] Speaker 2: pillows were flipped, just the decorative ones. But I noticed it,
[33:53] Speaker 2: and I went, oh, my god. So I go to
[33:57] Speaker 2: the phone. It's there's no one there anymore. You can
[33:59] Speaker 2: hear like the dial tone. I hang up that phone
[34:01] Speaker 2: and then I go back downstairs and call my mom
[34:03] Speaker 2: on the kitchen phone. And I call her and she
[34:06] Speaker 2: was like what just happened? And I was like what, Like, Mom,
[34:08] Speaker 2: I have no idea what to tell you. The pillows flipped.
[34:11] Speaker 2: I'm really I'm really scared right now. I feel like
[34:13] Speaker 2: someone's fucking with me. I feel like someone's in the house,
[34:15] Speaker 2: Like please, can you come home? Blah blah blah. I'm
[34:17] Speaker 2: like yelling at her, and she's like, okay, okay, Like
[34:19] Speaker 2: if you feel like someone's in the house, get out
[34:21] Speaker 2: of the house and go get someone, go get one
[34:22] Speaker 2: of your neighbors to come with you, and like go
[34:24] Speaker 2: look around the house. And I was like okay, and
[34:26] Speaker 2: she was like did you say something to me on
[34:27] Speaker 2: the phone before you hung up? And I was like no,
[34:30] Speaker 2: and she was like I heard whispering and I was like,
[34:33] Speaker 2: oh my god, it's happening. And I was like, wait,
[34:36] Speaker 2: but I'm not even I remember thinking myself, wait, but
[34:37] Speaker 2: I'm not even being bad, Like I'm not even like
[34:40] Speaker 2: misbehaving or anything. Why is my dad haunting me? I
[34:43] Speaker 2: go outside, I see the person who like, there's this
[34:45] Speaker 2: guy named Rolando who's across the street from me, who
[34:48] Speaker 2: lives across the street. And I was like, Orlando, can
[34:50] Speaker 2: you come and come with me inside of the house
[34:51] Speaker 2: because I need to see if someone's in there. And
[34:53] Speaker 2: he just he had just moved there from Ecuador and
[34:57] Speaker 2: so his English was pretty broken, but he was learning.
[34:59] Speaker 2: He was intergrad and he was like yes, yes, And
[35:02] Speaker 2: I was like, okay, can you bring a weapon? And
[35:03] Speaker 2: he brings a yellow whiffleball bat And so then we
[35:06] Speaker 2: go inside the house. We're looking around. I'm like looking,
[35:10] Speaker 2: I'm like, we got to go upstairs. We have to
[35:11] Speaker 2: check the room, like I think that it's in my
[35:12] Speaker 2: mom's room. We go upstairs. The door is still open,
[35:15] Speaker 2: all the pillows on the bed are still flipped the
[35:17] Speaker 2: opposite way that I had just seen them, and he's
[35:20] Speaker 2: looking at the pillows like I'm going the pillows they
[35:22] Speaker 2: flipped like, and he's like what And I'm like trying
[35:24] Speaker 2: to show him that, like this side was on this side,
[35:27] Speaker 2: and he's not understanding. But I'm also like on the
[35:30] Speaker 2: phone with my mom, like in her room, talking to her,
[35:33] Speaker 2: being like I'm trying to explain to Rolando, I'm having
[35:36] Speaker 2: trouble blah blah blah. Rolando's being like, okay, he's looking
[35:39] Speaker 2: at the closets in the bathroom or downstairs in my
[35:42] Speaker 2: room in the basement. We're looking all around, and so
[35:46] Speaker 2: Rolando's like, I don't think anyone's in here. We're going
[35:48] Speaker 2: to go sit outside. So we go. We go sit outside,
[35:50] Speaker 2: and we wait for my mom to come because she
[35:51] Speaker 2: worked at a place that sold in home theaters like
[35:55] Speaker 2: ten minutes away. She was like, I'm just gonna come
[35:57] Speaker 2: home to make sure you're okay. So she came home.
[36:00] Speaker 2: Me and Rowando were sitting outside of the curb. We're
[36:01] Speaker 2: like trying to talk and I'm trying to explain Tom
[36:04] Speaker 2: what just happened. And so then we go into my
[36:07] Speaker 2: house and We're walking up the stairs and I'm trying
[36:10] Speaker 2: to explain my mom what's going on. I'm trying to
[36:11] Speaker 2: explain to Rolando. And as we go back upstairs, the
[36:14] Speaker 2: door's closed again, and I was like, oh my god,
[36:18] Speaker 2: it's closed again. I know I left it open, And
[36:20] Speaker 2: at that point Rolando also knew that I had left
[36:23] Speaker 2: that door open, so he was looking pretty scared a witness.
[36:26] Speaker 2: And so then as we opened the door, I look
[36:29] Speaker 2: at the bed again and all the closure then flipped
[36:30] Speaker 2: again back around to the same side that it was
[36:32] Speaker 2: in the first place, and Rolando flips. He is like
[36:36] Speaker 2: he is freaking out, like he's getting so scared. He
[36:39] Speaker 2: has no idea what's going on. He thinks that like
[36:41] Speaker 2: I'm fucking with him. He thinks that like he's like
[36:43] Speaker 2: trying to call someone on his phone. My mom's freaking
[36:46] Speaker 2: out because she's like, what's going on. I don't understand.
[36:48] Speaker 2: It was a whole mess. It was just like a
[36:50] Speaker 2: really that that moment in my life is what I
[36:53] Speaker 2: credit having. It's what made me believe in the power
[36:58] Speaker 2: normal because I was like, I cannot explain in the
[37:00] Speaker 2: flipped pillows, like that is just one thing that I
[37:02] Speaker 2: cannot explain. And so you're saying they were back to
[37:05] Speaker 2: back again, Yeah, they were. So they were like embroidery
[37:09] Speaker 2: side facing me the first time. Then when I, you know,
[37:11] Speaker 2: the door closed and I came back in, they were
[37:13] Speaker 2: flipped opposite right, And then when me and Rolando had explored,
[37:16] Speaker 2: they were still opposite. And then after we got home,
[37:19] Speaker 2: or after my mom got home and me and Rolando
[37:21] Speaker 2: were sitting outside when we went back up, they were
[37:23] Speaker 2: then flipped again, and no one had been in the house,
[37:26] Speaker 2: so Orlando had seen it at this point. It wasn't
[37:28] Speaker 2: just me now, Orlando had just noticed that the pillows
[37:30] Speaker 2: had been flipped, and we'd been sitting outside together the
[37:33] Speaker 2: entire time. So that was what made me really believe
[37:35] Speaker 2: in the paranormal.
[37:37] Speaker 1: Did your mother or anyone in the house have other experiences.
[37:41] Speaker 2: So like throughout like the entire course of us living
[37:45] Speaker 2: in that house, I think every one of us had
[37:47] Speaker 2: different experiences that we weren't telling each other because we
[37:49] Speaker 2: were kind of scared that one my mom was gonna
[37:52] Speaker 2: think we were crazy. But my mom would often wake
[37:56] Speaker 2: up to her bathroom door being closed in the light
[37:58] Speaker 2: being on. She would her computer. She was like big
[38:01] Speaker 2: onto selling things on eBay, And sometimes when she'd be
[38:04] Speaker 2: typing on the computer, she would walk away, and then
[38:06] Speaker 2: she'd come back and there'd be things typed on the keys,
[38:08] Speaker 2: like not words, just like random keystrokes. The radio would
[38:12] Speaker 2: turn on by itself. My sister one time saw a
[38:16] Speaker 2: pair of feet kick up in my mom's room as
[38:18] Speaker 2: she was walking upstairs, like in the dark, and she
[38:21] Speaker 2: called my brother because my brother was out at a party,
[38:23] Speaker 2: and he came home and was like going around the
[38:25] Speaker 2: entire house with a knife, being like, what did you see?
[38:27] Speaker 2: Where did you see it? I've also seen these feet
[38:29] Speaker 2: kick up, Like I'm telling you, like a pair you
[38:32] Speaker 2: know how Like if someone is walking, it's really dark,
[38:35] Speaker 2: but you can just sort of make the say, five
[38:38] Speaker 2: feet in front of you, And if someone has like
[38:39] Speaker 2: a pair of white socks on, you can just sort
[38:42] Speaker 2: of see their heels as they walk away. You may
[38:43] Speaker 2: not be able to see so like as you're coming
[38:45] Speaker 2: up the stairs and your eyes are level with the
[38:47] Speaker 2: floor of the second floor, like and you're you're focusing
[38:50] Speaker 2: on that, like you can kind of see a pair
[38:52] Speaker 2: of feet kick up and and like walk into the
[38:55] Speaker 2: darkness of my mom's room. I know, really weird, and
[38:58] Speaker 2: so they were all they were all experiencing things as well,
[39:00] Speaker 2: But was.
[39:02] Speaker 1: There like was it comforting at all or how did
[39:05] Speaker 1: you take it? Because that's what it was, because I
[39:08] Speaker 1: believe that, like my grandmother hunted the house I was in,
[39:11] Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't care who you are,
[39:13] Speaker 1: this is scary as hell.
[39:14] Speaker 2: I agree, I just didn't like. I thought it was
[39:16] Speaker 2: really scary. I didn't like it at all. I was
[39:18] Speaker 2: always so petrified of we also like grew up as
[39:21] Speaker 2: kids thinking that, you know, people were going to break
[39:25] Speaker 2: into our house and murder us all the time. So
[39:27] Speaker 2: I was already scared about that. Then I was watching
[39:29] Speaker 2: a lot of ghost shows. I was watching a lot
[39:31] Speaker 2: of ghosts hunting videos. I was watching a lot of
[39:33] Speaker 2: like the reenactments where they would reenact like the ghost stories,
[39:37] Speaker 2: which I hell, yeah, I would love every much celebrity
[39:39] Speaker 2: ghost stories. Of course I've watched it. I mean, like
[39:42] Speaker 2: the Travel Channel and the Sci Fi Network turning into
[39:45] Speaker 2: like complete Powernormal Havens is something that I have been
[39:49] Speaker 2: obsessed with. I'm like, yes, more ghost shows like that.
[39:52] Speaker 2: They're so well, oh, there's like not that many, no,
[39:54] Speaker 2: I know, I think they're cancing a lot of them
[39:56] Speaker 2: because people can do it on their own with like
[39:58] Speaker 2: a video camera, like their own phone. I can go
[40:00] Speaker 2: go something.
[40:02] Speaker 1: Okay, that story was fucking good.
[40:05] Speaker 2: Thanks. I mean that, it's my number one ghost story.
[40:08] Speaker 1: So you said there was that one and then a
[40:11] Speaker 1: recent one.
[40:12] Speaker 2: The recent one is something that I caught for a
[40:14] Speaker 2: Great American Gay side Quest, which was at the Stanley Hotel,
[40:16] Speaker 2: which I was on live and we had just gone
[40:21] Speaker 2: on we'd just done a tour. You know, have you
[40:22] Speaker 2: been to Stanley? Yeah? Never, never.
[40:25] Speaker 1: I was going to last year.
[40:27] Speaker 2: Okay, maybe that should be our side quest as we
[40:28] Speaker 2: returned back to the Stanley because.
[40:30] Speaker 1: Like that have like I have a Shelley Vall costume
[40:33] Speaker 1: from The Shining I wore it last year. You know,
[40:36] Speaker 1: it was funny when you were talking about Orlando grabbing
[40:38] Speaker 1: the whiffle bat. I just the other day was going
[40:41] Speaker 1: through my storage room and I was like, do I
[40:45] Speaker 1: have any weapons? Like, let's just say someone broke in
[40:47] Speaker 1: right now.
[40:48] Speaker 2: You don't have a mini baseball bat that you got
[40:49] Speaker 2: from like Yankee Stadium or like a baseball stadum.
[40:53] Speaker 1: I've never been to a baseball stadium.
[40:55] Speaker 2: I have one that's like a like a wood knocker.
[40:58] Speaker 2: You know how in Bigfoot shows they always like knock
[41:01] Speaker 2: on the wood like they like knock on trees. Okay, sure,
[41:04] Speaker 2: I went to a Bigfoot museum once and they had
[41:05] Speaker 2: like a little bat. So now I have that on
[41:07] Speaker 2: the story right for the mm hmmm, And the sock
[41:12] Speaker 2: is for when they grab onto it and then you
[41:14] Speaker 2: oh it out From New York, I lived in Brooklyn
[41:18] Speaker 2: and like Bushwick for a long time and my house
[41:21] Speaker 2: got broken into. We don't have to have for everything,
[41:24] Speaker 2: no but the stand.
[41:26] Speaker 1: But what I was gonna say is that my what
[41:28] Speaker 1: I realized that I had in my home was my
[41:30] Speaker 1: whiffleball bat that I bought from my Shelley Duvall costume.
[41:34] Speaker 1: And that's that was the best weapon I had in
[41:36] Speaker 1: that room.
[41:36] Speaker 2: I feel confidently that you could do some damage with
[41:38] Speaker 2: the whiffleball bat if you tried hard enough.
[41:40] Speaker 1: Oh, I'll whoop anyone's ass without a doubt.
[41:44] Speaker 2: I feel confident in that.
[41:46] Speaker 1: And I'll whoop your ass if you don't tell me
[41:48] Speaker 1: this story.
[41:49] Speaker 2: So I'm on Live at probably like two or three am.
[41:52] Speaker 2: No one was ghost hunting that day that I was there.
[41:54] Speaker 2: It was in like May of last year. I was
[41:57] Speaker 2: so shocked because I was like, I thought so many
[41:58] Speaker 2: people were going to be up and like like you know,
[42:00] Speaker 2: walking around the halls, but it was just me and
[42:03] Speaker 2: I had just done the whole paranormal tour. It was
[42:05] Speaker 2: like two hours. I know, girl, it's really expensive, and
[42:08] Speaker 2: I pid.
[42:09] Speaker 1: For it myself. That's why I stopped, because I was
[42:12] Speaker 1: on my road trip and I and I was like,
[42:14] Speaker 1: this is like five hundred dollars.
[42:16] Speaker 2: It was eight hundred and fifty Yeah, for me to
[42:18] Speaker 2: stay in the children Haunted room. It was crazy. Yeah,
[42:23] Speaker 2: And so I was really like excited to do this tour.
[42:26] Speaker 2: I thought the tour kind of suck. They wouldn't let
[42:28] Speaker 2: me film anything I'm wearing, like my meta glasses. They're
[42:30] Speaker 2: like having us whole dumb dumb lollipops and pretending like
[42:32] Speaker 2: they're moving. I just like wasn't buying it. But then
[42:34] Speaker 2: at the end they showed us this like sort of
[42:37] Speaker 2: whe this other place that's right next door to it,
[42:39] Speaker 2: which is apparently their hotbed of activity is and actually
[42:43] Speaker 2: in this one building, and they showed us this sort
[42:45] Speaker 2: of like locked whiskey bar. They were like, we can't
[42:47] Speaker 2: go inside, but you guys can like look from the outside.
[42:50] Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, so it does anyone in
[42:52] Speaker 2: this Do people stay in this building? And they're like no,
[42:54] Speaker 2: it's completely empty, like it's just for events or whatever.
[42:57] Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, okay, that's interesting. I like
[43:00] Speaker 2: I want to go in there, like what the hell?
[43:01] Speaker 2: But I didn't get to go in there. But as
[43:03] Speaker 2: we're doing the live it's like two am. I'm outside
[43:06] Speaker 2: on live like with a bunch of viewers were like
[43:09] Speaker 2: going around, my service is kind of shoddy, but I'm
[43:11] Speaker 2: like whatever we're going, I like go and show them. Oll,
[43:14] Speaker 2: this is the locked whiskey bar that they were just
[43:16] Speaker 2: telling me about, like we can't go in, but you
[43:18] Speaker 2: can see from the outside, and I'm like showing them
[43:20] Speaker 2: the interior. And then someone was like, oh, can you
[43:23] Speaker 2: go around and like show us like the windows from
[43:26] Speaker 2: another one of the buildings. And I was like yeah,
[43:27] Speaker 2: So I go down the stairs, I walk down, I'm
[43:30] Speaker 2: like showing the windows of another building and they were like,
[43:32] Speaker 2: can we see the windows of the building were just
[43:33] Speaker 2: showing and so as I put the camera, I see
[43:37] Speaker 2: like my face is going faster than the camera is,
[43:40] Speaker 2: but I see in the window. Someone like peeked out
[43:43] Speaker 2: like this and then went back and I was like,
[43:45] Speaker 2: oh my god. And so then I just take off
[43:49] Speaker 2: sprinting towards the window because I was like, no, no,
[43:50] Speaker 2: if someone's in there, I want to make sure that
[43:52] Speaker 2: I get it on tape so that people like I
[43:54] Speaker 2: can sort of disprove this moment. I run up to
[43:57] Speaker 2: the window and I stick the camera up to the
[43:59] Speaker 2: window of the thing, like turn off the like any
[44:01] Speaker 2: any light that I had so you can see in
[44:02] Speaker 2: time there was no one in there. And so I
[44:04] Speaker 2: have this video and I'm in my head, I'm going,
[44:06] Speaker 2: oh my god, please let me have got that on film,
[44:09] Speaker 2: please please. I'm like begging seeing I'm like, this is
[44:11] Speaker 2: the shot. This is the shot. And as like content creators,
[44:14] Speaker 2: you know that there is like a shot. And so
[44:16] Speaker 2: I go back to my room. I'm like freaking out.
[44:18] Speaker 2: Everyone's like, what's wrong, blah blah blah. I turn off
[44:20] Speaker 2: the live, I download the live, and I fully got.
[44:22] Speaker 1: It on camera where he.
[44:26] Speaker 2: Most certainly this is incredible. This is like I feel
[44:30] Speaker 2: like my like my one piece of like ghost evidence.
[44:34] Speaker 2: And I'm like I can't explain this at all.
[44:37] Speaker 1: Oh this is good.
[44:41] Speaker 2: Can we use that in our absolutely excuse they and
[44:44] Speaker 2: I sent this to them. I sent this to the
[44:46] Speaker 2: Standing Hotel because of course, you know how people are
[44:47] Speaker 2: always like going up to the people downstairs in the
[44:49] Speaker 2: lobby being like, oh my god, I caught this really
[44:51] Speaker 2: crazy thing. When I went downstairs to go show them
[44:53] Speaker 2: this clip, they were like, oh, that is weird because
[44:57] Speaker 2: there's definitely no one in that building. Do you think
[44:59] Speaker 2: that we can use this for our tours? And I
[45:01] Speaker 2: was like, sure, Girl'll go ahead. So now when you
[45:03] Speaker 2: go on tours, apparently some of the tour GUIDs will
[45:05] Speaker 2: be like, yeah, this famous TikToker was here and like
[45:07] Speaker 2: took this video and blah blah blah. I'm like, oh, okay,
[45:10] Speaker 2: I work with t Eva. Okay, so this is the
[45:13] Speaker 2: and we'll show this. But this is the window, right.
[45:16] Speaker 2: This is like the window. The sort of light that
[45:18] Speaker 2: you can see behind it is the door, Like there's
[45:21] Speaker 2: a glass door on the other side of the room, right,
[45:23] Speaker 2: so you're seeing the light from this inner part of
[45:26] Speaker 2: the This is the this is the building of the day, right,
[45:30] Speaker 2: So that's the window. Okay, Like that that's the window
[45:35] Speaker 2: that we're going to be looking in and so it's
[45:36] Speaker 2: sort of like this U shaped building. You're seeing through
[45:39] Speaker 2: the glass door and there's light. But I'm looking at
[45:43] Speaker 2: this and if you look here, it's really faint. But
[45:48] Speaker 2: just look where this like piece, this like light is
[45:50] Speaker 2: right there. Okay, okay, and you'll see someone poke out?
[46:00] Speaker 2: Did you see it? Isn't that crazy?
[46:06] Speaker 1: Okay? So you said it was a May.
[46:09] Speaker 2: That was a May.
[46:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was since it was so expensive to
[46:14] Speaker 1: stay there, I did sneak in.
[46:17] Speaker 2: Oh okay fast May last year.
[46:19] Speaker 1: I was hoping nobody would see me.
[46:25] Speaker 2: The way that I'm so gullible that I'm like, yeah, no,
[46:28] Speaker 2: oh my god. Wait, So you stuck in? Were you
[46:29] Speaker 2: there at the same time as me?
[46:30] Speaker 1: I was there, and I was trying to avoid you
[46:33] Speaker 1: because I didn't want anyone to see me. I knew
[46:34] Speaker 1: you were on TikTok and you have a lot of
[46:36] Speaker 1: followers and I didn't, but I wanted to see, like
[46:38] Speaker 1: is that Mark?
[46:39] Speaker 2: And you were actually on your phone the entire time
[46:41] Speaker 2: while this was going on, so like you were actually
[46:43] Speaker 2: just trying watching you on live and I was like,
[46:45] Speaker 2: I caught bit, I caught you. No, but that's really good. No,
[46:49] Speaker 2: it's a weird it's a weird thing. That's the only
[46:51] Speaker 2: piece of evidence. I have something from Bisbee that I
[46:54] Speaker 2: haven't posted yet, where like it's like a calm response
[46:56] Speaker 2: where I'm like, if you're here, make a sound, and
[46:58] Speaker 2: they like make a weird like sort of the table rattles.
[47:02] Speaker 2: That was pretty crazy, but that was my one piece
[47:04] Speaker 2: of videography.
[47:06] Speaker 1: Tell me about your experience at the Copper Queen. Was
[47:09] Speaker 1: it terrifying to you or no?
[47:13] Speaker 2: Bisbee Grand was terrible.
[47:15] Speaker 1: I don't know anything about that. But the Okay, did
[47:18] Speaker 1: you stay on the floor, like the scary floor that
[47:21] Speaker 1: I stayed in the Copper Queen. Yeah, I stayed in
[47:23] Speaker 1: the room, the lady room.
[47:25] Speaker 2: I stayed in that lady's room.
[47:26] Speaker 1: Okay, because I didn't spend much time over there. She's
[47:30] Speaker 1: on like I want to say, the.
[47:31] Speaker 2: Third floor on the third floor.
[47:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, the fourth floor is the one that has like
[47:36] Speaker 1: multiple rooms that are haunted and that the hallways are
[47:40] Speaker 1: so narrow.
[47:41] Speaker 2: I don't think I went up to the fourth floor
[47:42] Speaker 2: unless I went to go see the pool.
[47:45] Speaker 1: I didn't even know there was a pool because I
[47:47] Speaker 1: was so scared of going places when I was in there.
[47:50] Speaker 1: But the fourth floor if I'm not mistaken, was the
[47:55] Speaker 1: floor that I stayed on, and that was so scary.
[47:59] Speaker 1: There was like multiple rooms that had because what I
[48:02] Speaker 1: love is that they have like the journal that people
[48:05] Speaker 1: like say everything that happened, a ghost journal.
[48:07] Speaker 2: That's like something I like, I love. I'm thinking that's
[48:09] Speaker 2: like the most genius thing ever, especially having a physical copy.
[48:12] Speaker 2: I love reading through the ghost I know, I know
[48:14] Speaker 2: my favorite.
[48:15] Speaker 1: And there was a lot of stuff on there that
[48:17] Speaker 1: was like the room I was staying in and whatever.
[48:20] Speaker 1: But okay, wait, so then you go to the clown Motel.
[48:23] Speaker 2: M hmm. I went to the Clomo Hotel and you
[48:25] Speaker 2: didn't feel anything nothing.
[48:26] Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Well, the Clown Motel is in Tona,
[48:29] Speaker 1: pot Nevada, and anyone that doesn't know everything is clown things.
[48:34] Speaker 2: Everything is clunt. I think that first off, as someone
[48:36] Speaker 2: who loves to collect things, I'm like, you guys are
[48:38] Speaker 2: being mean about his clown collection.
[48:40] Speaker 1: Okay, I'm so happy for them.
[48:41] Speaker 2: I'm like, I think this is really cool. Like I
[48:43] Speaker 2: think that he should have more clowns and we should
[48:45] Speaker 2: be giving him clowns. Like I think that in order
[48:46] Speaker 2: to stay there, you should have to bring a clown like,
[48:49] Speaker 2: God forbid somebody collecting clowns. Yeah, exactly, jumping down his
[48:53] Speaker 2: throat being like, you weird, what a weird scary hotel.
[48:56] Speaker 2: In reality, he's like, look at my cool clowns.
[48:58] Speaker 1: Personally, I love clowns. Same, and I wish that the
[49:01] Speaker 1: rooms were like clowns and like cute seeing whatever.
[49:05] Speaker 2: Were they not painted when you went there? Now?
[49:07] Speaker 1: They were painted all scary in show?
[49:09] Speaker 2: They were?
[49:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was in the Exorcise. I can hate that. Yeah, No,
[49:13] Speaker 1: I don't like that part at all.
[49:15] Speaker 2: But yeah.
[49:16] Speaker 1: It's also directly next to an old cemetery.
[49:19] Speaker 2: Which is the only place that I really had like
[49:20] Speaker 2: a hit. There was this one grave that I kept
[49:22] Speaker 2: getting hit on on the MF reader. I think that, honestly,
[49:25] Speaker 2: the clown Motel video will be one of the better
[49:27] Speaker 2: ones this season because I have this sort of like
[49:30] Speaker 2: crash out where I'm like, I think I don't believe
[49:31] Speaker 2: in ghosts anymore, and like I'm like having this whole
[49:33] Speaker 2: moment where I'm going like I just feel like I'm
[49:36] Speaker 2: losing a part of my like my inner child, Like
[49:39] Speaker 2: I've believed in ghosts my whole life. I'm being I've
[49:41] Speaker 2: been all these places blah blah blah, and then I'm like,
[49:43] Speaker 2: you know, I really I didn't even try the MF.
[49:45] Speaker 2: Breeder inside of the room. And so I'm sitting there
[49:47] Speaker 2: for like fifteen minutes being like, if there's anyone in here,
[49:49] Speaker 2: like you know, I'm asking questions blah blah, and then
[49:52] Speaker 2: I go, Okay, listen, this is the moment if you
[49:55] Speaker 2: want to make yourself known, if you want me to believe,
[49:57] Speaker 2: if there's just like even a small bit of something
[49:59] Speaker 2: on the other side, please just like give me a sign.
[50:02] Speaker 2: Like just I'm begging, and I'm like begging into the
[50:05] Speaker 2: camera being like come on, and then it goes off
[50:07] Speaker 2: and I was like, I was really guided at that.
[50:10] Speaker 2: It was a very when I favorit horror movies, Personal Shopper,
[50:14] Speaker 2: that ending where you know they know that movie. It's
[50:17] Speaker 2: a Christians Seuwer movie that like not a lot of
[50:19] Speaker 2: people have watched. It's like, it's like about these French,
[50:22] Speaker 2: these two French twins. One of them dies in the house,
[50:24] Speaker 2: the other one. They make a pact being like, Okay,
[50:27] Speaker 2: if there is another side, then give me a sign
[50:30] Speaker 2: after you die, and the entire movie is just basically
[50:34] Speaker 2: her being like please, like give me a sign and
[50:36] Speaker 2: she ends up like willing and a demon whatever. But
[50:39] Speaker 2: the end, the end scene is like one of the
[50:41] Speaker 2: most beautiful, like I don't know, signs of the Power normal.
[50:45] Speaker 2: I don't want to ruin it because I think it's
[50:46] Speaker 2: a really great movie and you should absolutely watch it,
[50:48] Speaker 2: but it's a really, really really cul scene.
[50:51] Speaker 1: I my experience at that place. I hated the town.
[51:00] Speaker 2: You also, is that the place where you went, well,
[51:02] Speaker 2: I think it's a ghost. The line of like someone's like, well,
[51:06] Speaker 2: what could it be? And you went, what, I'm thinking
[51:09] Speaker 2: it's a ghost. I think that was such a good
[51:12] Speaker 2: line too.
[51:13] Speaker 1: Yes, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, somebody was like,
[51:16] Speaker 1: what a photo of a clown's that had like a
[51:20] Speaker 1: squiggly line in it or something. They're like, what could
[51:22] Speaker 1: that be? And I said, I'm a true fan. Okay,
[51:24] Speaker 1: my guess is that's a ghost exactly. Yeah, that place,
[51:29] Speaker 1: that place was not the most haunted place I feel
[51:31] Speaker 1: like I ever went. But I just didn't like that place.
[51:35] Speaker 1: I didn't like seeing people with like guns on their belts,
[51:38] Speaker 1: like I saw stuff like that, which freaks me out
[51:40] Speaker 1: as like a big city person.
[51:42] Speaker 2: There were Maga hats in the line getting.
[51:44] Speaker 1: Stared at like crazy walking around that town, Like I
[51:47] Speaker 1: just didn't, like I was not comfortable there at all.
[51:52] Speaker 1: But the Exorcist room, is that like the most haunted
[51:56] Speaker 1: room or something that they said, I can't.
[51:58] Speaker 2: Remember, and like there's like all of them that are
[52:00] Speaker 2: super haunted. I said, in the one where there was
[52:02] Speaker 2: an old man who like stayed in there and was
[52:04] Speaker 2: like really sick, and he was like begging the spirits
[52:06] Speaker 2: to heal him, and so they did stay in that
[52:09] Speaker 2: room and then they healed him, and then he was
[52:13] Speaker 2: indebted to the spirit so he ended up coming back
[52:15] Speaker 2: and like dying in that room or whatever. Oh okay,
[52:18] Speaker 2: I just like didn't feel anything. I was like walking
[52:20] Speaker 2: around there being like, but here's what else.
[52:23] Speaker 1: I'll say, how many nights do you do? Usually wanted
[52:27] Speaker 1: to because in my opinion, and if budgets were unlimited whatever,
[52:35] Speaker 1: that's not the case. But I feel like these shows
[52:38] Speaker 1: that are really trying to find something, they just spend
[52:41] Speaker 1: like a month in a place because it's so hard
[52:46] Speaker 1: to say after like with ten instraints. Yeah, especially when
[52:51] Speaker 1: people like are gonna go to place for a couple
[52:52] Speaker 1: of hours, I'm like, yeah, maybe something will happen, but
[52:56] Speaker 1: like you really gotta you also gotta get the ghost
[53:00] Speaker 1: to like get comfortable. Maybe you also have to like
[53:04] Speaker 1: like if the ghost is like, Okay, I'm gonna hide
[53:06] Speaker 1: from this bitch.
[53:07] Speaker 2: Mm hmm. They could.
[53:09] Speaker 1: It's that thing where like if you're hiding in someone's
[53:11] Speaker 1: like under their bed, eventually you're gonna fart and someone
[53:16] Speaker 1: will hear. So true and wow, that's a great where
[53:19] Speaker 1: I'm like the ghost if you sit around long enough,
[53:23] Speaker 1: you're gonna they're gonna do something.
[53:25] Speaker 2: I agree. I think that, like you have to spend
[53:28] Speaker 2: a little bit of time somewhere. People are always like
[53:31] Speaker 2: going to places hoping for something to happen. My style
[53:35] Speaker 2: goes something I feel like also similar to yours, is
[53:37] Speaker 2: like if something's not happening, I'm never going to try
[53:39] Speaker 2: to coax them out, Like I don't want to harass
[53:42] Speaker 2: the ghosts. I'm very much like, yeah, if you want
[53:45] Speaker 2: to come out, do it, But also like honestly, fuck me,
[53:47] Speaker 2: like you know, I'm a man, Like why would you
[53:50] Speaker 2: be listening to a man on commands? Like you don't
[53:51] Speaker 2: need to fucking listen to me, Like stay inside if
[53:53] Speaker 2: you want I'm like very aware of the fact that
[53:56] Speaker 2: I'm asking these ghosts like perform on command. How do
[53:58] Speaker 2: I know they didn't just like use up all their
[54:00] Speaker 2: energy moving a glass in the next room, I asked nicely.
[54:04] Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, I paid for this.
[54:06] Speaker 2: And like I need the views show receipts or like,
[54:09] Speaker 2: listen please because I paid a lot of money and
[54:12] Speaker 2: I just really want something to happen.
[54:14] Speaker 1: I'm like, my TV show got canceled and now I
[54:16] Speaker 1: have to pay for all this shit so that people
[54:18] Speaker 1: can see me online. And I just need views really
[54:22] Speaker 1: bad because I feel like I should be famous by
[54:24] Speaker 1: now and I'm not. And just if you did something
[54:27] Speaker 1: it would help.
[54:29] Speaker 2: You're very famous, especially to me.
[54:33] Speaker 1: Thank you to you, and I appreciate that. Well, Uh,
[54:39] Speaker 1: tell me one more.
[54:42] Speaker 2: I think that the Bisbee one was pretty weird. I
[54:45] Speaker 2: said the Bisbee grant, and I was pretty shaken up
[54:50] Speaker 2: because I was in there and I was like trying
[54:53] Speaker 2: to ghost hunt. But sometimes when i'm ghost hunting, I'm
[54:57] Speaker 2: just like not getting anything. I'm getting like kind of frustrated.
[54:59] Speaker 2: So I just like to a break, which is so boring.
[55:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just what I tell people too. You go
[55:03] Speaker 1: to a haunted hotel room and nothing's happening. You're just
[55:06] Speaker 1: sitting in a hotel room.
[55:07] Speaker 2: Just sitting in a hotel room in the dark, going well,
[55:10] Speaker 2: well is anyone what's what's what are the people doing?
[55:14] Speaker 1: And you're like, okay, I have to keep the cameras
[55:16] Speaker 1: rolling because something could happen.
[55:18] Speaker 2: Oh my god, the amount of footage I just have
[55:20] Speaker 2: on my phone that's like forty five minutes of me
[55:22] Speaker 2: in the dark. I know, amazing shot that will me
[55:25] Speaker 2: in the dark in the clown face in the clown motel. Though,
[55:27] Speaker 2: I will say that one of my favorite shots.
[55:30] Speaker 1: This time I got motion activated.
[55:32] Speaker 2: Yes, I have a one of those like FASM cams
[55:35] Speaker 2: thing that I got from like a ghost hunting place
[55:37] Speaker 2: that like will be motion activated. It's cool. I like
[55:39] Speaker 2: that one a lot, and it just like has good
[55:42] Speaker 2: footage as well. But in the Busbee one, I was
[55:44] Speaker 2: like getting ready for bed. I just washed my face.
[55:47] Speaker 2: I didn't have my glasses on, and so I'm talking
[55:49] Speaker 2: to the ghost being like, okay, if there's someone here,
[55:51] Speaker 2: like please like make a noise, like you know, I'm
[55:53] Speaker 2: gonna go to bed soon. But it would be great
[55:55] Speaker 2: to have this moment and I thought I saw something
[55:58] Speaker 2: in the bathroom, so I went and I got my glass,
[56:00] Speaker 2: and then I'm like, okay, I have my glasses, like
[56:02] Speaker 2: if there's someone here, And then like as soon as
[56:05] Speaker 2: it says that, it shakes the table that my phone
[56:07] Speaker 2: is on, and I get so freaked out. I was
[56:09] Speaker 2: like it was the first time I'd ever had like
[56:11] Speaker 2: a call in response, like I'd never really had something
[56:15] Speaker 2: answer me in such a direct way. But I freak out.
[56:19] Speaker 2: I'm like what. And then as I'm like sitting there.
[56:23] Speaker 2: The more that I'm sitting there, I feel like I
[56:25] Speaker 2: keep seeing things like in the in the dark. I
[56:27] Speaker 2: feel like at this point I had this is probably
[56:30] Speaker 2: an hour later, I've already taken my ambience. So I'm
[56:32] Speaker 2: like looking in the dark, and I feel like you
[56:34] Speaker 2: can most certainly hallucinate. But I remember like sitting on
[56:38] Speaker 2: this bench in front of the bed there and like
[56:40] Speaker 2: looking out next to this corner and seeing what I
[56:43] Speaker 2: thought to be like a tiny child on all fours
[56:47] Speaker 2: with a black like sheet over it, like I just
[56:49] Speaker 2: like in flacted it and saw it in the corner,
[56:51] Speaker 2: and I'm going on camera going like I'm looking at
[56:53] Speaker 2: it right now, like I can see it and and
[56:56] Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if that that would have
[56:58] Speaker 2: been like I feel like an ambient hallucinating, Like it
[57:00] Speaker 2: wouldn't be the first time. But I saw this thing
[57:03] Speaker 2: that was on the floor. It looks like a like
[57:04] Speaker 2: a spirit Halloween animatronic. That was just like this thing
[57:08] Speaker 2: that was crouching on the floor with a black sheet
[57:09] Speaker 2: over it. And I'm looking at it and I'm looking
[57:11] Speaker 2: back and I can like still see it. That was
[57:13] Speaker 2: a weird, a weird one for me in the in
[57:15] Speaker 2: the Bisbee grand I haven't even posted that video yet, but.
[57:18] Speaker 1: You're not see you feel like you're pretty brave.
[57:21] Speaker 2: I feel like I'm pretty brave when it comes to
[57:23] Speaker 2: ghosts now, not when it comes to staying alone in
[57:26] Speaker 2: castles with aliens.
[57:27] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but to me, I would be out of there.
[57:30] Speaker 2: I'm more scared of like people than I am of
[57:33] Speaker 2: ghosts at this point.
[57:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really know where I'm at on that
[57:38] Speaker 1: because I'm kind of scared of both.
[57:40] Speaker 2: But scared of animals too a lot of time. I mean,
[57:42] Speaker 2: I love animals. Yeah, there's a lot of danger out there,
[57:44] Speaker 2: especially when you're walking around by yourself. I'm scared of
[57:46] Speaker 2: snakes that I have a snake. I know.
[57:50] Speaker 1: I remember I saw you do a live one time
[57:52] Speaker 1: with the same He's so cute. His name is Sports
[57:54] Speaker 1: and that's the thing.
[57:55] Speaker 2: And he's venomous, only mildly.
[57:58] Speaker 1: And it doesn't hurt humans, the fact that you have
[58:01] Speaker 1: a snake and you're not terrified of that at all.
[58:06] Speaker 2: I love animals, really, it tells me that you're very brave. Sharks,
[58:10] Speaker 2: I don't do the ocean. I never go in the shark.
[58:13] Speaker 2: Oh do you?
[58:14] Speaker 1: Yeah? I wish.
[58:17] Speaker 2: That. So now we're gonna look at haunted dolls. Listen, show.
[58:26] Speaker 1: You do your show right now, you're my show.
[58:31] Speaker 2: You ever heard of a dipict box? Oh jeez, there
[58:36] Speaker 2: we go. Why No, I don't know. I think that
[58:40] Speaker 2: there could be like something there. I'm like, I don't know.
[58:42] Speaker 2: Maybe people are chopping. It's a Jewish tradition. Now usually
[58:46] Speaker 2: I'm supposed to marry a Jewish guy. Yeah, well, and
[58:49] Speaker 2: maybe you can sort of lure him in with a
[58:51] Speaker 2: dipic box.
[58:52] Speaker 1: I don't think that's good. Listen, here's my thing about
[58:57] Speaker 1: stuff like that. Any item I think, and I feel
[59:03] Speaker 1: the same way about haunted hotel rooms. I think I
[59:08] Speaker 1: think that you can make a haunted hotel room. I
[59:11] Speaker 1: think you can make a haunted item. I think you could.
[59:14] Speaker 1: Something could start out as just like some silly box,
[59:17] Speaker 1: and if you start getting to the point where there's
[59:19] Speaker 1: millions of people around the world saying this box has
[59:22] Speaker 1: a demon.
[59:22] Speaker 2: In it, maybe maybe why not alternatively turn up the
[59:27] Speaker 2: drama and like start putting magnets in the cabinets and
[59:30] Speaker 2: start like when you're like just you know, someone's in
[59:33] Speaker 2: the room at the front desk, click a button and
[59:35] Speaker 2: make the cabinets open, like fly open in like a
[59:37] Speaker 2: fun way, like lean into it. If it's not really haunted,
[59:40] Speaker 2: like make it haunted.
[59:42] Speaker 1: That's one way to do it.
[59:43] Speaker 2: I would love to see that. I feel like the
[59:44] Speaker 2: Queen Mary does that.
[59:47] Speaker 1: Don't get me started on the queen marriage.
[59:48] Speaker 2: Oh that queen, that old queen, that old queen girl.
[59:54] Speaker 1: You stayed in them what is it called B three
[59:56] Speaker 1: forty be three forty?
[59:58] Speaker 2: Yeah with the have you stayed in there? Yeah? One
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: time with a grinder guy. No.
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: I went with some friends years ago and not a
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: damn thing happened to me.
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: The only thing that happened to us was like we
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: had closet doors like sort of burst open randomly that
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: I found very strange because I was like, I know,
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: I just closed those doors. There's also a really weird
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: little doll that they have. Did you see that too
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: or no?
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: Myself?
[1:00:27] Speaker 2: That ye? And I wish that you would have been
[1:00:29] Speaker 2: the little doll that's locked under a plexiglass box on
[1:00:32] Speaker 2: the top shelf and the Queen Mary B three forty closet.
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, that wasn't there, honestly take her out, Like I
[1:00:37] Speaker 1: remember them having like a Ouiji board and like fuck
[1:00:40] Speaker 1: and you never fucked with the Oigi board ever? Now
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: what's that about?
[1:00:44] Speaker 2: Never? I will never touch a Weiji board. You will
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: never catch me touching the Wichi boards. Oh, I will
[1:00:48] Speaker 2: uh oh cover why? I just I think that those
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: are really haunted. I'm like, I don't I don't want
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: to know what is going on with the Oiji board.
[1:00:56] Speaker 2: I've like that is again my style of ghost hunting
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: is not to invite them in. I'm like, if you
[1:01:01] Speaker 2: want to come, say hi, do it. I am not
[1:01:04] Speaker 2: touching that. That's like going Also, I'm gullibly, I just
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: believe that you were the ghost at the Stanley Hotel.
[1:01:10] Speaker 2: You think I'm not gonna believe if someone's moving the
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: uh plant chette a little bit, I'm gonna go, oh
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: my god, it's talking to me. It's never. I will
[1:01:19] Speaker 2: never touch it.
[1:01:20] Speaker 1: Never it will call you a slur good.
[1:01:22] Speaker 2: And I hope it will. I mean, no one else
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: does these days, so I think.
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: And let me tell you, I get a lot of baggots.
[1:01:31] Speaker 2: Same.
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: I've got agots, I've got Wiji boards, Wiji board. I actually,
[1:01:38] Speaker 1: as time has gone on, love it more and more.
[1:01:41] Speaker 2: That's so crazy. I can't believe you play with wegi wards.
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: Now that's just some childhood stuff you heard at a
[1:01:47] Speaker 1: slumber party.
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: No, I don't even some of the like most I
[1:01:52] Speaker 2: don't know revered paranormal people are like, I don't touch
[1:01:54] Speaker 2: Wigi boards name them. Uh friend Lorraine would never is
[1:02:00] Speaker 2: it ed and Lorraine not fred Edd Loraine Swortz would
[1:02:02] Speaker 2: never touch a with boring girl. I'm obsessed with them. Actually,
[1:02:06] Speaker 2: now google her she was WEEGI boring, she was we jing.
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: Just google her.
[1:02:11] Speaker 2: She was crazy. I love. I just think that they're
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: that's the most genius. Like that is the most genius
[1:02:18] Speaker 2: horror concept to have, Like an entire room filled with
[1:02:22] Speaker 2: an entire franchise filled with haunted objects like genius. You know,
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: it's the most successful horror franchise in the world, the conjuring,
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: the conjuring, like because of the world that it build,
[1:02:31] Speaker 2: conjuring out a lot of them. Yeah. Yeah, But what's
[1:02:35] Speaker 2: your favorite room movie, Carrie Carry Okay, maybe a really
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: good choice, honestly, what about you? The Playworks Project.
[1:02:43] Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one.
[1:02:44] Speaker 2: I love it.
[1:02:45] Speaker 1: I know, God a fucking that because I remember when
[1:02:48] Speaker 1: that movie you and Age, Yeah we're the same age,
[1:02:52] Speaker 1: And I remember that being like, this is a real thing.
[1:02:57] Speaker 1: And then I remember the lifeguard at the pool that
[1:03:01] Speaker 1: I went to was like I'll never forget her saying
[1:03:05] Speaker 1: my boyfriend went and he had to sleep in the
[1:03:08] Speaker 1: same bad as his male friend after seeing it, and I.
[1:03:12] Speaker 2: Was like, oh my god, the blair Witch drove him
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: to be gay?
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that he what a witch. He was
[1:03:19] Speaker 1: just doing a lot of exploring the.
[1:03:21] Speaker 2: Blair Witch project. Also, I mean, I could talk for
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: eighty years about the marketing hampened, but you know, premiered
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: it can.
[1:03:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's genius what they did there.
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: Were maid can they put all the actors in a
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: hiding like, oh, and there's also a really good thing.
[1:03:34] Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm cutting you off to now go ahead.
[1:03:37] Speaker 2: There's a really cool thing on TikTok that Michael, the
[1:03:41] Speaker 2: actor who was in it, he did an entire series
[1:03:43] Speaker 2: documenting every day they filmed the Layerbridge project because they
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: only did it for three days or three weeks, and
[1:03:48] Speaker 2: they used to leave them because there was no contact
[1:03:49] Speaker 2: between the cast and the crew. They used to leave
[1:03:52] Speaker 2: them little film bottles filled with like notes of like
[1:03:54] Speaker 2: beats they had to hit that day, so they had
[1:03:56] Speaker 2: no idea what they were doing until they got that
[1:03:58] Speaker 2: note the next morning, and he goes to reason thing,
[1:04:01] Speaker 2: it's really cool.
[1:04:02] Speaker 1: I want to see that. I the the Blair Witch thing,
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: to me is kind of on the same topic of
[1:04:09] Speaker 1: what I've been saying with you, like the urban legend
[1:04:16] Speaker 1: kind of a vibe, like that's something that I think
[1:04:19] Speaker 1: that you can like create, Like I think that you
[1:04:21] Speaker 1: can create like a witch in the woods ghost like
[1:04:24] Speaker 1: there there's probably a some kind of weirdness out in
[1:04:30] Speaker 1: those woods now because of people going out. And I
[1:04:33] Speaker 1: also think you go to a place like B three
[1:04:35] Speaker 1: point forty at the Queen Mary, you've got people NonStop
[1:04:41] Speaker 1: going in there with their wigi boards and doing all
[1:04:43] Speaker 1: kinds of shit exactly that. I don't know that it's
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: necessarily whatever ghost it was originally, but there's probably something
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: weird in.
[1:04:50] Speaker 2: There, yeah, because you're conjuring it up to be there.
[1:04:53] Speaker 1: Like there's definitely. That's what's so crazy about just hotel
[1:04:58] Speaker 1: rooms in general. It's like they turn that shit over
[1:05:02] Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you're in there, and
[1:05:04] Speaker 1: like sometimes who knows what does happen in there? You
[1:05:11] Speaker 1: can't scrub out, you know, all of whatever energy was
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: left behind.
[1:05:17] Speaker 2: I want to believe more than anything, like I really do.
[1:05:20] Speaker 2: I love the paranormal. It really does freak me out.
[1:05:24] Speaker 2: So I am never gonna be like I don't believe
[1:05:26] Speaker 2: in ghosts, but I am becoming more of a skeptic.
[1:05:30] Speaker 2: But that being said, like if something were to really
[1:05:33] Speaker 2: happen that was like crazy, like the pillow thing to
[1:05:36] Speaker 2: happen to me again, I would be like tea that, Okay,
[1:05:39] Speaker 2: maybe it is real.
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: Can I play some ghost voices?
[1:05:43] Speaker 2: Yes? Please? I would love nothing more.
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: It's time for EVP or ev picse.
[1:05:53] Speaker 2: Okay, I'm so ready. I go to YouTube.
[1:05:58] Speaker 1: I find alleged a alleged allegedly ghosts speaking, I'm so sorry.
[1:06:06] Speaker 2: The Liberachi doll is so fucking cat like and she's
[1:06:11] Speaker 2: staring at me and she is she thank you, you
[1:06:14] Speaker 2: will put some respect on Liberaci's name.
[1:06:16] Speaker 1: And she said beyond this, Candelabra.
[1:06:21] Speaker 2: Is a fet mm hmmm hm.
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: Put in your earbud for me. I've got two alleged
[1:06:31] Speaker 1: ghosts speaking. Okay, these are from YouTube dot com.
[1:06:36] Speaker 2: YouTube dot com shout out or maybe no shoutout? Who knows?
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: Are you putting your stuff on YouTube?
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: No? Not yet.
[1:06:43] Speaker 1: It's gonna be crazy when it happens.
[1:06:46] Speaker 2: We'll see. I'm who knows. I pitched today for something,
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: so hopefully that will work out. But everyone pitches for everything,
[1:06:56] Speaker 2: like we ain't special anymore.
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: This one was posted on YouTube by Jiffy Pop Julie
[1:07:10] Speaker 1: and it is at the Stanley Hotel, room two seventeen.
[1:07:16] Speaker 2: Which is the room where Stephen King wrote The Shining
[1:07:19] Speaker 2: is it.
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: It's allegedly haunted by miss Wilson, who died in a fire.
[1:07:24] Speaker 2: Thank you? What is this?
[1:07:28] Speaker 1: What is miss Wilson saying?
[1:07:30] Speaker 2: What's right? I'm sorry? She said, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
[1:07:41] Speaker 2: She says, I'm sorry. Of some kind.
[1:07:44] Speaker 1: It does sound like I'm sorry, but there's something before that.
[1:07:46] Speaker 2: What does she say? Okay, I'm sorry, Okay, I don't
[1:07:52] Speaker 2: know why she's saying. I do know why she's saying this.
[1:07:55] Speaker 2: Nice support what she's saying. And I think that what
[1:07:57] Speaker 2: she's saying is ice out. I don't know I heard
[1:08:00] Speaker 2: ice out. Sorry, and I you know what, I support that.
[1:08:03] Speaker 2: So actually that's right.
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: She does say that.
[1:08:08] Speaker 2: She says that.
[1:08:10] Speaker 1: Well, while I agree with you, that's not what Jiffy
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: Pop Julie thought. Well, you know what, fuck that bitch
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: like she Hey, you don't know Jiffy Pop Julie.
[1:08:22] Speaker 2: I don't know her like that. I'm Jiffy Pop Julie.
[1:08:24] Speaker 2: I actually am so sorry that was a joke. I
[1:08:26] Speaker 2: think that you're great. I love Jeffy Pop. Did she
[1:08:30] Speaker 2: think it was a.
[1:08:33] Speaker 1: I've not seen signs the movie signs. Maybe they've not
[1:08:38] Speaker 1: seen b I'm gonna go outside see I'm afraid not
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
[1:08:54] Speaker 2: Or D.
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: Christy Nome's Husband's did it is.
[1:09:04] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:09:08] Speaker 1: D double double No?
[1:09:11] Speaker 2: Those are okay. I would say, see, but I also
[1:09:15] Speaker 2: think that Jimmy Pop Julie, you should get your hearing
[1:09:17] Speaker 2: checked because like, what's.
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: The okay, so, yes, that is correct that she thought
[1:09:21] Speaker 1: it was I'm afraid not I'm sorry. Now in the clip,
[1:09:25] Speaker 1: the full clip, which is that's not what this is about.
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: We just want to try to guess with the audio
[1:09:30] Speaker 1: of the ghost speaking the same in the full clip,
[1:09:33] Speaker 1: she says, do you like that everyone knows your story
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: that comes into this hotel? And then Miss Wilson says,
[1:09:40] Speaker 1: I'm afraid not sorry.
[1:09:43] Speaker 2: Oh so she said diva.
[1:09:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, she goes, okay, I'm afraid not my love sorry, okay,
[1:09:47] Speaker 1: so knowing that I'm gonna be Jimmy pop Julie. Do
[1:09:50] Speaker 1: you like that everyone knows your story that comes into
[1:09:53] Speaker 1: this hotel? And then miss miss Wilson says.
[1:09:59] Speaker 2: I don't. I think she says I'm afraid not there's
[1:10:01] Speaker 2: something else in the beginning.
[1:10:02] Speaker 1: I think she says it's right. I think she says
[1:10:07] Speaker 1: it's my room. Sorry, sorry, I don't know. I don't
[1:10:14] Speaker 1: know what she says. Okay, listen, I don't claim to.
[1:10:17] Speaker 2: Be You're sorry, most certainly. And if that's like, if
[1:10:19] Speaker 2: that's like an EVP and she caught that, that's wild
[1:10:21] Speaker 2: because that like you can really hear someone.
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: Saying no, it's definitely something. Okay, here's another one. This
[1:10:26] Speaker 1: one's from Haunted Stories and they recorded it at love
[1:10:30] Speaker 1: her work, the Copper Queen Hotel in Bisbee, Arizona. It's
[1:10:40] Speaker 1: Claire's Day.
[1:10:41] Speaker 2: Clear's Day, it's giving Hmmm. I'm gonna say the artist
[1:10:54] Speaker 2: of this is the alien from the Spice Girls.
[1:10:58] Speaker 1: Movie, which I have on DVD.
[1:11:02] Speaker 2: Really yeah, I love that.
[1:11:04] Speaker 1: I bought a DVD player so I could watch that.
[1:11:06] Speaker 2: I bought a DVD player so I could watch Cash
[1:11:08] Speaker 2: and Treasure is some weird travel channel show. We could
[1:11:11] Speaker 2: have just shared a DVD player.
[1:11:12] Speaker 1: Frankly, I know, no, I just have one.
[1:11:19] Speaker 2: Maybe it's a ghost bird.
[1:11:22] Speaker 1: I think it's a bird that got caught in like
[1:11:25] Speaker 1: a fan that doesn't have like like a cage around it.
[1:11:34] Speaker 1: I think this is Gilbert Godfrey as the parrot in
[1:11:38] Speaker 1: aladav Please, girl, like, well, here's the thing. Haunted Stories
[1:11:42] Speaker 1: did believe that it says something?
[1:11:45] Speaker 2: Okay? Sorry?
[1:11:46] Speaker 1: Did they think it was a.
[1:11:49] Speaker 3: You've gotta be kidding me, B I would like to
[1:11:56] Speaker 3: kill you. C I've got a lot of beckets.
[1:12:06] Speaker 2: First off, I would really like to commend you or
[1:12:08] Speaker 2: d I'm a bird. Well, it's crazy because I like,
[1:12:19] Speaker 2: I forgot to write it.
[1:12:21] Speaker 1: I had to come up with one right then. D
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: crassy now just stops this, dastes and that's a double D.
[1:12:33] Speaker 1: And that's a double D.
[1:12:34] Speaker 2: I know that's right. I want to commend you on
[1:12:37] Speaker 2: your Joan Rivers impression. That was incredible. Mind you, I
[1:12:40] Speaker 2: thought that was she does have a bit of a
[1:12:43] Speaker 2: could we play one more time? It does sound it's
[1:12:49] Speaker 2: it's giving Joan Rivers just barking.
[1:12:54] Speaker 1: So which one do you think it was?
[1:12:57] Speaker 2: I'm afraid to say, like, probably A.
[1:13:00] Speaker 1: You've got to be kidding me. Yeah, I think it
[1:13:03] Speaker 1: was B.
[1:13:04] Speaker 2: I would like to kill you one more time.
[1:13:11] Speaker 1: You hear it, though, come on, I like, dick can.
[1:13:19] Speaker 2: It sounds like a burden a blender the visual I mean,
[1:13:25] Speaker 2: you put a bird in a fan before even souder. Yeah,
[1:13:28] Speaker 2: but they can't fly off if they're in a blender.
[1:13:32] Speaker 2: That's awful.
[1:13:34] Speaker 1: Okay, that doesn't sound it doesn't sound inviting, Yeah, absolutely not.
[1:13:41] Speaker 2: It sounds like static. I'm sorry, I don't this is
[1:13:44] Speaker 2: this is what I'm not buying.
[1:13:45] Speaker 1: That's okay, that's okay.
[1:13:48] Speaker 2: You want to hit the thing the gabble?
[1:13:52] Speaker 1: Oh no, not yet no, we don't do that for this,
[1:13:56] Speaker 1: but we do that do that for your stories. And
[1:13:59] Speaker 1: I will say your stories, with the exception of the
[1:14:02] Speaker 1: one when I was sneaking into the Stanley Hotel.
[1:14:07] Speaker 2: I love them. Wow, really I love your pelf story
[1:14:12] Speaker 2: very good. Thank you very much. It happened so sort
[1:14:17] Speaker 2: of like it wrote itself. That was really good.
[1:14:20] Speaker 1: Well, I guess we're pretty much done. I mean, I
[1:14:24] Speaker 1: do feel like there's so many other things that we
[1:14:26] Speaker 1: can talk about, but I do. I would love to
[1:14:30] Speaker 1: talk to you again.
[1:14:31] Speaker 2: I would love for you to come on a psychost
[1:14:33] Speaker 2: with me. I think that we should go to a haunted.
[1:14:34] Speaker 1: Please to be more famous, and you're killing it, so
[1:14:41] Speaker 1: help me.
[1:14:43] Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but I will more than
[1:14:45] Speaker 2: you are more than welcome to come along with me,
[1:14:47] Speaker 2: no matter, help me get more famous period. I mean
[1:14:51] Speaker 2: I will say that you know who who was God?
[1:14:54] Speaker 2: Did you see me the other day? Oh my god? Fuck? Yes? Wow.
[1:14:59] Speaker 2: That is one of my very uh that's amazing.
[1:15:04] Speaker 1: Exclusive bumper stickers that say ros Hernando should be more famous.
[1:15:08] Speaker 2: And I agree with that statement completely. Okay, My most
[1:15:12] Speaker 2: famous moment ever happened that night that I saw you,
[1:15:14] Speaker 2: which was that Raja was like gagged to see me
[1:15:17] Speaker 2: and always I fucking love Raja. Know I do too.
[1:15:23] Speaker 2: I love her so much, it's like my favorite winner.
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: Well, let's find a haunted place to go.
[1:15:28] Speaker 2: She wants to go too, We should go. I told
[1:15:29] Speaker 2: her that we all three of us should go.
[1:15:32] Speaker 1: She can get her own episodes.
[1:15:36] Speaker 2: One hundred percent. You're so right and I can't believe.
[1:15:38] Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. I don't want to stand
[1:15:40] Speaker 1: next to her.
[1:15:41] Speaker 2: Neither do I.
[1:15:41] Speaker 1: Honestly, that bitch is flawless. I'm not standing next to
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: her in a night vision camera.
[1:15:48] Speaker 2: It's so funny to sleep for him, because like she
[1:15:51] Speaker 2: all the queens come up, they get some dollars. Raja
[1:15:53] Speaker 2: comes up and people are just like throwing wads of cash.
[1:15:56] Speaker 1: She have everything.
[1:15:57] Speaker 2: I own, all of it.
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: I love for her. So tell people where they can
[1:16:03] Speaker 1: find you.
[1:16:04] Speaker 2: You can find me at Mark Sebastian f on TikTok
[1:16:07] Speaker 2: or on Instagram, The Mark, the Marchives, the underscoring to
[1:16:12] Speaker 2: score Marchives, getting archives, marchives, get it. But check out
[1:16:16] Speaker 2: a Great American guest Hide Quest season four, which is
[1:16:18] Speaker 2: now premiering. Yay, I'm really happy to start posting the
[1:16:22] Speaker 2: more Haunted episodes.
[1:16:25] Speaker 1: Let it kill you.
[1:16:29] Speaker 2: It's more like I want to get out of this blender.
[1:16:31] Speaker 1: Please ew Okay, that's it. Thank you so much to
[1:16:38] Speaker 1: Mark Sebastian. Okay, we're gonna do some together.
[1:16:41] Speaker 2: He and I.
[1:16:42] Speaker 1: Don't you worry. We're gonna We're gonna go go scenting
[1:16:45] Speaker 1: somewhere somehow it's happening, so look out for that. I
[1:16:50] Speaker 1: love you all but living and dead. But if I
[1:16:53] Speaker 1: didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me came back.
[1:17:04] Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production. Want to share
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[1:17:55] Speaker 1: Shilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spoop Vanessa Lilac.
[1:18:03] Speaker 1: Photography by the Terrifying Elizabeth Karen.
[1:18:07] Speaker 2: Executive produced by the.
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