# A Very Haunted Listener Phone Call Extravaganza

An episode of [Ghosted! by Roz Hernandez](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1450864418), 4 Dec 2023, 1 h 18 min.

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The haunted house hotline is open and Roz clutches the phone as listeners call in to share personal experiences with the paranormal, past and PRESENT! John (of California) is still haunted by a slew of synchronous dreams, Morgan escaped her haunted apartment before it became her last, John (the theater kid) flees the summer stock dorms after a terrifying visit from…something, and Casey’s family has lived with a mostly well behaved ghost for nearly 20 years—but how?? Want to share YOUR paranormal experience on the podcast? Email your *short* stories to GhostedByRoz@gmail.com and maybe Roz will read it out loud on the show... or even call you! Be sure to follow the show @GhostedByRoz on Instagram. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:07] Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed? It's spooky. Hey, juky,
[0:12] Speaker 1: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
[0:15] Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Hey, I ghosted.
[0:19] Speaker 1: I gos nandas Pllease hey boo. It's me Raz and
[0:31] Speaker 1: welcome to Ghosted by Raz Hernandez, the podcast where I
[0:36] Speaker 1: like to talk to people that I like, including you,
[0:40] Speaker 1: the listeners, about things that make me go, oh my god,
[0:46] Speaker 1: who are you people? How did you find me? It's
[0:50] Speaker 1: another listener phone call extravaganza, which you know I love
[0:56] Speaker 1: every time the listeners call in, you know, they always
[0:59] Speaker 1: bring it. And as always, the invitation is open for
[1:03] Speaker 1: you to submit your stories to the show. You just
[1:07] Speaker 1: email Ghosted by rozat gmail dot com with the subject
[1:11] Speaker 1: line listener episode, and then just give me some brief
[1:15] Speaker 1: bullet points of the kind of stories we would talk
[1:17] Speaker 1: about and we'll take it from there. This is an
[1:22] Speaker 1: action packed episode, so I say we just get right
[1:26] Speaker 1: into it. Let's toss it on over to my conversation
[1:29] Speaker 1: now with John. Now, John is one of these people
[1:35] Speaker 1: that lived in a haunted house. Can you believe it
[1:39] Speaker 1: got a lot of haunted houses, a lot of haunted
[1:42] Speaker 1: homes on this week's episode. So here we go. First
[1:46] Speaker 1: phone call, take it away, John. Oh my god, it's
[1:58] Speaker 1: John from California. Yeah, Hello John, how's it going.
[2:03] Speaker 3: Hey, Roz, I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.
[2:06] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thanks for doing this. Hang on a second.
[2:11] Speaker 1: You've been watching the TV show I'm on.
[2:14] Speaker 3: Yes, I've been binging it. I've been listening to your
[2:17] Speaker 3: podcast for a couple of months now, and the minute
[2:20] Speaker 3: I heard about the show, I waited anxiously for it
[2:23] Speaker 3: to start. And I've been watching that and then listening
[2:25] Speaker 3: to your interviews with the cast members in between. So
[2:29] Speaker 3: it's been kind of a fun experience to hear your
[2:31] Speaker 3: commentary with your cast members and then watch the show.
[2:34] Speaker 2: Cute.
[2:36] Speaker 1: Well, it seems like you are no stranger to going
[2:41] Speaker 1: to haunted places. Now, what is the deal with this?
[2:45] Speaker 1: So you spent a bunch of time. Did you grow
[2:48] Speaker 1: up in a haunted house?
[2:50] Speaker 3: Yeah? About eighth grade. So back in ninety six, my
[2:54] Speaker 3: parents bought a house, just a normal house, nothing with
[2:58] Speaker 3: like a super long history. You know. It was about
[3:01] Speaker 3: thirty years old at the time. My parents purchased it
[3:04] Speaker 3: from an older couple that basically the woman was sick
[3:10] Speaker 3: with cancer. And for the last year there they they
[3:14] Speaker 3: had only lived downstairs, they couldn't even use at the
[3:16] Speaker 3: upper level, so they kind of begrudgingly sold their house.
[3:22] Speaker 3: The man was a carpenter and had done a bunch
[3:25] Speaker 3: of custom work to the house, so they really didn't
[3:27] Speaker 3: want to leave, but we bought it from them, and
[3:31] Speaker 3: pretty shortly after the fun started with the ghosts.
[3:35] Speaker 1: What happened.
[3:37] Speaker 3: So there's been lots of little different occurrences, but over
[3:40] Speaker 3: the years when we were there, oftentimes we would hear
[3:44] Speaker 3: footsteps moving across from one end of the second story
[3:49] Speaker 3: to the other when literally no one would be awake.
[3:53] Speaker 3: There's no excuse for it, but we could definitely hear
[3:55] Speaker 3: people walking from one into the house to the other.
[3:58] Speaker 1: What So, do you think that since they couldn't be
[4:01] Speaker 1: there when they were alive, they're like, we're going to
[4:03] Speaker 1: go upstairs now.
[4:04] Speaker 3: Well it's funny because, you know, my dad, after all
[4:07] Speaker 3: of these occurrences that we'll talk through, he kind of
[4:11] Speaker 3: made the connection at the end. He said, you know,
[4:14] Speaker 3: I think that the previous owners moved back in. They
[4:18] Speaker 3: actually apparently when they sold the house. The woman passed
[4:23] Speaker 3: away pretty soon after that. I think within a couple
[4:26] Speaker 3: of months, and the husband I think only lasted a
[4:30] Speaker 3: few more months after that, probably passed away from a
[4:32] Speaker 3: broken heart. And my dad swears that they just kind
[4:35] Speaker 3: of came back and moved back into their own house.
[4:38] Speaker 1: It's very beetle Jews.
[4:40] Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
[4:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, they like came back and they're like, who are
[4:43] Speaker 1: these people?
[4:44] Speaker 3: Totally. I mean, we didn't have anything super negative happened,
[4:48] Speaker 3: but I think it was more of kind of like that, hey,
[4:50] Speaker 3: we're here, we're just kind of occupying the space with you,
[4:54] Speaker 3: you know.
[4:55] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, So what other kind of stuff would happen?
[4:58] Speaker 3: So, like I said, the I was a carpenter, and
[5:02] Speaker 3: so you had done all these like extra like embellishments
[5:04] Speaker 3: to the house. And one of them was this old
[5:07] Speaker 3: style like brass knocker like picture of a brass ring
[5:12] Speaker 3: on the back garage door. So the door that goes
[5:15] Speaker 3: from the dining room into the garage, right, and so
[5:18] Speaker 3: there's no wind there. It's totally enclosed by the house.
[5:22] Speaker 3: We would hear that thing knocking, like quietly, sometimes not
[5:26] Speaker 3: so quietly. Often we'd heard it in the evening. My
[5:29] Speaker 3: sister would hear it. She lived with us, came back
[5:32] Speaker 3: to live with us at one point, and would hear
[5:34] Speaker 3: that knocker go and then would hear footsteps across the
[5:38] Speaker 3: hardwood floor from the dining room into the living room
[5:41] Speaker 3: where she was sleeping. She said she would just be
[5:45] Speaker 3: like paralyzed and kind of pull the covers up and
[5:47] Speaker 3: just like hope for it to pass.
[5:50] Speaker 1: I mean, that's creepy. Yeah, it's a little scary totally.
[5:55] Speaker 3: That was a little scary, but still nothing like too bad.
[5:58] Speaker 3: And I think she had kind of pulled the covers
[6:00] Speaker 3: up and would get past it. My dog was a
[6:04] Speaker 3: Labrador Rottweiler, like the sweetest dog possible. He was just
[6:08] Speaker 3: like a love dog with animals and people alike. And
[6:11] Speaker 3: once in a while he would just turn and look
[6:14] Speaker 3: at either the stairwell or like a corner of the room,
[6:17] Speaker 3: and the hair would raise up on his back and
[6:19] Speaker 3: he would start to growl, like the deep, deep growl
[6:22] Speaker 3: that he never would do in the normal circumstances. And
[6:26] Speaker 3: that happens multiple times. So definitely the dog was picking
[6:30] Speaker 3: up on something as well.
[6:32] Speaker 1: But do you feel like they liked you guys being there?
[6:36] Speaker 3: I think so. The only scary thing that kind of
[6:40] Speaker 3: happened was we've had multiple drooms that took place, like
[6:45] Speaker 3: different family members that kind of like afterwards we connected
[6:49] Speaker 3: it with probably ghosts or something happening in the house.
[6:53] Speaker 3: My dad one time woke up kind of out of
[6:57] Speaker 3: a deep sleep and there was a man holding a
[7:01] Speaker 3: rifle and my dad was looking down the barrel of
[7:04] Speaker 3: the rifle, so it was pointed out his face, and
[7:08] Speaker 3: he just kind of like, you know, kind of instinctively
[7:11] Speaker 3: sat up and swiped the gun out of his face.
[7:14] Speaker 3: And of course then he was awake, right, and so
[7:16] Speaker 3: I was like to him, Okay, just just a really
[7:19] Speaker 3: scary dream. He got up, he couldn't go back to sleep,
[7:23] Speaker 3: so he got up and went across the hall to
[7:25] Speaker 3: the computer to kind of just like look at the
[7:27] Speaker 3: internet or whatever. And my mom felt him kind of stir,
[7:31] Speaker 3: but she was asleep. She remembers that. And then she
[7:35] Speaker 3: had a dream that a woman, like an old decrepit
[7:38] Speaker 3: woman was kind of crouched by the bed and pulled
[7:42] Speaker 3: out a syringe and it was going to stick it
[7:44] Speaker 3: in my mom's leg and my mom the same thing
[7:48] Speaker 3: just instinctively kind of pushed her away or you know,
[7:51] Speaker 3: and the woman instead of sticking it in her legs
[7:54] Speaker 3: she stuck the syringe in her own neck. That breaked
[7:58] Speaker 3: my mom out, woke her up, and she kind of
[8:01] Speaker 3: couldn't go back to sleep, and she went across all
[8:02] Speaker 3: to my dad and said, I just had this dream.
[8:04] Speaker 3: And my dad was like, that's so bizarre because I
[8:07] Speaker 3: literally just woke up like two minutes ago from a
[8:09] Speaker 3: really horrible dream. So they were both kind of having
[8:13] Speaker 3: these experiences around the same time.
[8:15] Speaker 1: It's so beatlejuice. It's so these people learning how to
[8:20] Speaker 1: be ghosts and trying to be scary.
[8:22] Speaker 3: Totally, totally. Like the other dream that I'll mention is
[8:27] Speaker 3: my husband's boyfriend at the time and I were sleeping downstairs.
[8:32] Speaker 3: Just a quick background, my husband has kind of has
[8:35] Speaker 3: night terrors once in a while, the kind that like
[8:37] Speaker 3: he has a little bit of sleep prolesis, you know,
[8:39] Speaker 3: and you can tell he's struggling to wake up. And
[8:42] Speaker 3: I am a sleepwalker. Not every night, but it happens.
[8:47] Speaker 3: And so we've got this kind of like funky sleep
[8:50] Speaker 3: situation to begin with. And we are sleeping in my
[8:56] Speaker 3: room and I wake up to a huge, like I swear,
[9:00] Speaker 3: like a ten foot shadow standing at the foot of
[9:03] Speaker 3: the bed, like no shape, no face, but like a
[9:06] Speaker 3: tall shadow and it freaked me out. So I'm like
[9:09] Speaker 3: kind of thrashing a little bit, Like I'm sitting up
[9:12] Speaker 3: and I find out that Gabriel's waking me up, like so, okay,
[9:16] Speaker 3: he's waking me up from a dream. And then Gabriel
[9:20] Speaker 3: is it's hard to describe this, he's having a dream
[9:23] Speaker 3: about like a kind of a sleek prolysis type dream,
[9:26] Speaker 3: and then I'm waking him up. So we're both kind
[9:29] Speaker 3: of in it's weird, like trying to wake each other
[9:31] Speaker 3: up from a dream. And before I said anything, when
[9:34] Speaker 3: we finally were awake, he mentioned a shadow that he
[9:37] Speaker 3: saw at the foot of the bed, so we both
[9:39] Speaker 3: saw the same thing, but we were having two different.
[9:41] Speaker 1: Experiences and this was in the house.
[9:44] Speaker 3: This is in the house as well.
[9:45] Speaker 1: Yes, what is that that is? So I mean, come on,
[9:50] Speaker 1: I feel like at a certain point it's like, okay, yes,
[9:52] Speaker 1: it's a dream, but it's like not a dream. It's
[9:56] Speaker 1: like it's really happening.
[9:58] Speaker 3: Totally, if not a dream. When when you turn to
[10:00] Speaker 3: the person and before saying anything, they kind of like
[10:02] Speaker 3: say what you were thinking, you know, or what you experienced.
[10:05] Speaker 3: It's a little more than that I think.
[10:07] Speaker 1: I love a shared dream situation. Those are such good stories.
[10:12] Speaker 1: Did anybody ever like I mean, you said your parents
[10:16] Speaker 1: kind of saw these people with a gun and a
[10:19] Speaker 1: syringe pointed at them, right, But like, did you guys
[10:23] Speaker 1: ever while awake see these goes?
[10:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, so not too often. It was more like the
[10:30] Speaker 3: sounds and whatnot much. One time, my husband A lot
[10:34] Speaker 3: of these happened with my husband. Maybe he's the culprit.
[10:39] Speaker 3: My husband boyfriend. At the time, we were getting ready
[10:43] Speaker 3: to go. We're going to go to the beach because
[10:45] Speaker 3: Santa Day is really close to Santa Truth, California. So
[10:47] Speaker 3: we're like kind of rushing around the house getting our
[10:49] Speaker 3: stuff together, and we're both walking out the front door
[10:53] Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, crap, I forgot my keys, and
[10:55] Speaker 3: so he's standing out on the front patio and I
[10:58] Speaker 3: walk back in and my keys are just in the kitchen.
[11:00] Speaker 3: So I'm like literally in and out. And as I'm
[11:03] Speaker 3: drabbing my keys off the counter, I hear Gable outside
[11:06] Speaker 3: go hi, and I'm like, okay, maybe someone for my
[11:09] Speaker 3: family is getting here or you know, he's waiting to
[11:12] Speaker 3: a neighbor. And as he's saying hi, I'm literally walking
[11:15] Speaker 3: out the door because it was that quick. But I
[11:17] Speaker 3: was in and out and he looked at me and
[11:19] Speaker 3: he goes, how did you do that? And I said what?
[11:22] Speaker 3: And he said, I just waved at you in the
[11:24] Speaker 3: window upstairs, and I was like, post shit, like no
[11:30] Speaker 3: one is here. We literally went upstairs to see if
[11:33] Speaker 3: maybe someone from the family was home that we didn't
[11:35] Speaker 3: realize and it was completely empty. But my husband waved
[11:39] Speaker 3: someone in the upstairs window.
[11:41] Speaker 1: Hang on a second. So he just mistook it as
[11:46] Speaker 1: you or was the ghost doing an impression of you.
[11:50] Speaker 3: I think he just kind of saw someone and figured
[11:52] Speaker 3: it was me that I had gone up there to
[11:54] Speaker 3: get my keys, right. I don't think he saw like
[11:56] Speaker 3: my face on the ghost or anything, but he was
[11:59] Speaker 3: just like I hope he didn't. I don't know. I
[12:02] Speaker 3: never asked him, but I think he just kind of
[12:04] Speaker 3: assumed and he's like, how the heck did you get
[12:06] Speaker 3: down the stairs and out the door? Literally and like
[12:09] Speaker 3: a blink of an eye, you know. So it was
[12:12] Speaker 3: just another creepy into then of a kind of a
[12:14] Speaker 3: little experience.
[12:15] Speaker 1: Well at least the guy was not pulling out a rifle,
[12:19] Speaker 1: I know, right, and he was just waving this time totally.
[12:23] Speaker 3: I'm glad I didn't have that rifle dream that that
[12:26] Speaker 3: one was pretty rough.
[12:28] Speaker 1: Tell us the fireplace story.
[12:31] Speaker 3: Oh okay, that one's fun. My husband again, I swear,
[12:35] Speaker 3: maybe I need to do some investigating. I think my
[12:37] Speaker 3: husband's a bit like connected with this realm. Were sitting
[12:41] Speaker 3: watching a movie and it's kind of the time of year,
[12:45] Speaker 3: like this time of year probably where we turned on
[12:47] Speaker 3: the fireplace for the first time in the fall. And
[12:50] Speaker 3: it's a gas fireplace that has like a kind of
[12:52] Speaker 3: half circle metal grate around it, and it's kiled, and
[12:57] Speaker 3: we're watching the movie and we look over from my
[12:59] Speaker 3: head and looks over and he goes, where did that
[13:01] Speaker 3: footprint come from? And I look over and behind the
[13:05] Speaker 3: half circle metal grate on the tile is a huge,
[13:09] Speaker 3: like twelve inch footprint. You can see the toes, you
[13:13] Speaker 3: can see the outline of the footprint. It's kind of
[13:15] Speaker 3: like a pristine footprint in the dust. I'm like, that's
[13:18] Speaker 3: bizarre because one, I'm the tallest person in my family
[13:22] Speaker 3: and probably the biggest foot and I go to investigate
[13:24] Speaker 3: it and this thing is bigger than my foot. Oh
[13:26] Speaker 3: my god, right, And two the placement of it is
[13:31] Speaker 3: so awkward, Like you talk about it all the time.
[13:33] Speaker 3: You're kind of like automatically skeptic, right, skeptical. Yeah, you know,
[13:37] Speaker 3: you're like figuring out what's the way to describe this,
[13:40] Speaker 3: like from a logical perspective, And so I'm like pulling
[13:43] Speaker 3: the grade away, and I'm like, if I stepped right here,
[13:46] Speaker 3: what could I have been doing with like cleaning the
[13:48] Speaker 3: mantle or you know, like if it was me, and
[13:50] Speaker 3: why would I be doing it barefoot? And then when
[13:52] Speaker 3: I put my foot there, it's like literally I'm almost
[13:54] Speaker 3: like stepping into the fireplace.
[13:56] Speaker 1: But only one foot, right, just.
[13:59] Speaker 3: One footprint, Like you could see the five toes, you
[14:02] Speaker 3: could see the ball of the foot everything. So we
[14:05] Speaker 3: couldn't really like explain it away. And we're like, who
[14:08] Speaker 3: the hell is dusting or cleaning with bare feet in
[14:10] Speaker 3: the fireplace? First of all, So it's kind of creepy.
[14:13] Speaker 3: We're like, well, there's the ghost. You know, at this point,
[14:15] Speaker 3: after so many years, you just kind of go, there's
[14:18] Speaker 3: another ghost, you know, like nothing to be afraid of.
[14:20] Speaker 3: But the thing just sat there for months. It didn't
[14:23] Speaker 3: collect us, it didn't change or move, but you know,
[14:26] Speaker 3: dust settles so you would think, Okay, after some weeks
[14:29] Speaker 3: or a month, that would slowly go away, and it
[14:32] Speaker 3: just was there until we finally like cleaned it away.
[14:37] Speaker 1: You know what a big ghost foot means. That means big,
[14:42] Speaker 1: big ghosts.
[14:43] Speaker 4: Right.
[14:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, after that, I was hoping you visit my dreams.
[14:46] Speaker 3: I guess.
[14:50] Speaker 1: You go wave to me ghosts man exactly. So is
[14:56] Speaker 1: the house still like in your family or what?
[15:00] Speaker 3: No, we uh, we moved. We've all kind of migrated
[15:03] Speaker 3: up to where I am today, like kind of toward
[15:06] Speaker 3: Tahoe Sacramento area. So my parents have a house up here.
[15:10] Speaker 3: We've moved recently or not recently, but in three years,
[15:14] Speaker 3: so that's not in the family. We've had some other
[15:17] Speaker 3: ghostly experiences in other houses in panels A. I don't
[15:21] Speaker 3: know if there's time to touch on any of those.
[15:23] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's touch on them.
[15:25] Speaker 3: Touch on it.
[15:26] Speaker 5: Oh.
[15:27] Speaker 3: I had one more thing I'm going to mention. I
[15:28] Speaker 3: forgot but when my dad made that connection at the end,
[15:31] Speaker 3: you know, he was like, hey, you don't think about it.
[15:33] Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that the original owners have moved back
[15:36] Speaker 3: in with us. Kind of a spooky detail is that
[15:39] Speaker 3: their last name was the Grave Lines. And kind of
[15:43] Speaker 3: kind of creepy the word grave in their name. You know,
[15:45] Speaker 3: I've never looked up, you know what the meaning of
[15:47] Speaker 3: that last name, but it always kind.
[15:49] Speaker 6: Of spoofed this out to well.
[15:51] Speaker 1: In La that's like the Murder Tours of like Hollywood is.
[15:57] Speaker 1: The company is called the Grave Line Tours.
[16:01] Speaker 3: Little Sweet.
[16:05] Speaker 1: Okay, So what's going on in San Jose? There's ghosts
[16:08] Speaker 1: there too.
[16:09] Speaker 3: So we had another place that my husband and I
[16:12] Speaker 3: lived in for a few years, also like a fairly
[16:16] Speaker 3: new house, so not like a crazy long history, but
[16:19] Speaker 3: that house we definitely wondered if you know, something happened
[16:22] Speaker 3: in that house that we didn't know about, because we'd
[16:26] Speaker 3: often often hear little little feet, like kid's feet, running
[16:32] Speaker 3: from one end of the house to the other upstairs,
[16:34] Speaker 3: like to the point where you'd pause the TV and
[16:36] Speaker 3: go like, okay, you just heard that too, right, And
[16:40] Speaker 3: that happened all the time, and in connection with the
[16:43] Speaker 3: little feet, one night, Gabriel woke up and looked over
[16:48] Speaker 3: to me and there was a little girl hunched over me.
[16:51] Speaker 3: No not blonde, no hunch right, she had blonde, curly hair,
[17:00] Speaker 3: he said, And she was kind of crouched over me.
[17:02] Speaker 3: She was there until she noticed he was watching. So
[17:05] Speaker 3: when she realized he could be like he was aware
[17:08] Speaker 3: of it, then she vanished. So I don't know what
[17:11] Speaker 3: she was doing to me?
[17:14] Speaker 1: Oh no, you know what. I I do that all
[17:18] Speaker 1: the time with like if I walk by a window
[17:22] Speaker 1: like a car, and I see my reflection and I
[17:24] Speaker 1: start looking at myself and then all of a sudden,
[17:27] Speaker 1: I see there's somebody in there, and then I'm like,
[17:29] Speaker 1: oh shit, And then I got to like act like
[17:31] Speaker 1: I wasn't doing that. That's exactly what she did.
[17:34] Speaker 3: You like cleaning something out of your teeth and then
[17:36] Speaker 3: you realize someone's in the front seat.
[17:38] Speaker 1: Absolutely. That happens to me constantly, exactly. Yeah, that is
[17:44] Speaker 1: so scary. Is that the only time you encounter or
[17:47] Speaker 1: you know, she came into your bedroom that you know of, that.
[17:51] Speaker 3: I know of. But it kind of like it said,
[17:53] Speaker 3: tied him with the little feet. And then there was
[17:56] Speaker 3: kind of a funny one. My sister was one day
[18:00] Speaker 3: and it was like in the guests like little half
[18:03] Speaker 3: bathroom downstairs and there's a long hallway going to different
[18:06] Speaker 3: parts of the house for the bathrooms right there. She
[18:08] Speaker 3: was in there. One in the bathroom and she she
[18:10] Speaker 3: where she heard one of my selfer gabble walk by
[18:13] Speaker 3: and fart really loud, like by the door, and she
[18:17] Speaker 3: kind of like came out of the bathroom was like, haha, funny, guys,
[18:20] Speaker 3: like that's really growth, And no one was there and
[18:23] Speaker 3: we were at the other end of the vow, but
[18:26] Speaker 3: she like heard it clear as day, and so she
[18:28] Speaker 3: swear there was like a little prank that one of
[18:30] Speaker 3: the ghostses playing on us.
[18:33] Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I don't know your sister, but I
[18:37] Speaker 1: do know the famous virabl video little girl farts and
[18:41] Speaker 1: blames it on a ghost and.
[18:44] Speaker 3: Right, so maybe it was my sister. I don't know
[18:46] Speaker 3: that one's That one's a far fetch I guess.
[18:50] Speaker 1: Well. Hey, thanks so much for joining me. These have
[18:54] Speaker 1: been some great stories.
[18:55] Speaker 3: Thank you.
[18:56] Speaker 1: If the little girl comes back, give me a call
[19:00] Speaker 1: me all about it.
[19:01] Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. It was really fun.
[19:03] Speaker 3: Thank you, Bye to care.
[19:07] Speaker 1: Thank you John. Next up, it's Morgan. Oh this one.
[19:14] Speaker 1: You get yourself a nice cute lease and an apartment,
[19:18] Speaker 1: but it's a lease with the deceased. Time to call
[19:23] Speaker 1: a priest. Talk to me, Morgan. I am now joined
[19:33] Speaker 1: by Morgan in Seattle. Hello, Morgan, how's it going?
[19:38] Speaker 5: Hello?
[19:38] Speaker 3: Hello?
[19:39] Speaker 1: What is the deal with this haunted apartment building?
[19:43] Speaker 7: Yeah? So this like definitely made a believer out of me.
[19:47] Speaker 4: I think I'd never been like closed off to the
[19:49] Speaker 4: existence of paranormal things by any means, but there was
[19:53] Speaker 4: just so much in your face Stapa.
[19:55] Speaker 7: Happened to be living there.
[19:57] Speaker 1: Okay.
[19:58] Speaker 4: So I moved into this apartment building when I lived
[20:01] Speaker 4: in Tacoma around like twenty nineteen ish. It is my
[20:04] Speaker 4: first apartment by myself. When I first lived there, I
[20:07] Speaker 4: lived in a studio. And it's like, within a month
[20:09] Speaker 4: living there, the elderly man who's my neighbor dies. So
[20:14] Speaker 4: things are like happening rapidly. I've noticed little things here
[20:18] Speaker 4: and there. And then like day one I moved into
[20:22] Speaker 4: this apartment and this woman walks up to me, who's
[20:24] Speaker 4: now a good friend of mine. She's like, I'm a
[20:25] Speaker 4: psychic medium and this place is super haunted. And I'm
[20:29] Speaker 4: like okay, great, and she's like, yeah, they scratched me
[20:31] Speaker 4: last night, and I'm like, okay, great.
[20:33] Speaker 1: Who the old man?
[20:35] Speaker 4: Uh No, I guess there was like other people in
[20:39] Speaker 4: this building that she has interacted with. She and she
[20:43] Speaker 4: lived there in the building for like ten years. Okay,
[20:46] Speaker 4: he's a very sweet, cool woman, and so like things
[20:49] Speaker 4: go along. And then eventually I actually moved to a
[20:52] Speaker 4: different apartment that was down the hall, so on one vendor
[20:54] Speaker 4: right for COVID, So that was perfect, and so little
[20:56] Speaker 4: things that had happened, like there was always one end
[21:01] Speaker 4: of the hall that was like less lit than the others.
[21:04] Speaker 4: And just on Halloween, I came home for a party
[21:06] Speaker 4: one night and I just like looked down the hall
[21:08] Speaker 4: and there was something like undeniably there.
[21:10] Speaker 7: I'm like, okay, what do you mean?
[21:11] Speaker 1: There was something like.
[21:13] Speaker 4: Something it was standing kind of like in the silhouette
[21:18] Speaker 4: of the window, and it just was this kind of
[21:21] Speaker 4: black fog like black like silhouette of a person.
[21:25] Speaker 7: And I was just like.
[21:26] Speaker 4: Okay, not tonight, and I'm not gonna do this right now.
[21:30] Speaker 4: And I just like I tailed it to my apartment,
[21:32] Speaker 4: close the door, burned, some stage, done, go to bed.
[21:36] Speaker 1: And of course this happens on Halloween, right, They're like
[21:39] Speaker 1: it's our night.
[21:40] Speaker 4: Yes, And then there's just been times like were you
[21:43] Speaker 4: I would get home. So I used to work nights
[21:45] Speaker 4: sometimes and I would get home at like midnight and
[21:48] Speaker 4: it just felt like there was a party going on
[21:51] Speaker 4: in this hallway. It just felt like there were people,
[21:54] Speaker 4: there was energy, and then like that people were watching
[21:58] Speaker 4: me as I was like walking into my apartment. I've
[22:00] Speaker 4: never experienced anything like it. And so these are like
[22:03] Speaker 4: more mild things the first started living there. Well, things
[22:05] Speaker 4: really amp up when I actually become.
[22:08] Speaker 7: Close to the person who lives in the most haunted apartment.
[22:12] Speaker 4: Yeah, there's this one unit and the psychic medium I'll
[22:17] Speaker 4: just use her nickname Kiki. So she comes up to
[22:20] Speaker 4: me and she's like, this apartment here, this one's super haunted.
[22:23] Speaker 4: I'm like, tell me about it, tell me, of course,
[22:25] Speaker 4: and she's like, well, people who've lived there have like historically.
[22:28] Speaker 7: Had problems, like with slamming doors.
[22:31] Speaker 4: I tried to cleanse the space once and the front
[22:34] Speaker 4: door of the apartment slammed repeatedly, and she's like and
[22:37] Speaker 4: I had to leave and I was bullied for like
[22:40] Speaker 4: weeks after that.
[22:40] Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, wow, that sounds really scary.
[22:44] Speaker 1: If I was a psychic medium, I would not want
[22:46] Speaker 1: to live in a haunted apartment. No, I would be like,
[22:49] Speaker 1: I'm not working, like I need to clock out.
[22:52] Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, exactly, but like she was really religious and
[22:57] Speaker 4: she really had like her protection down. But when I
[23:02] Speaker 4: first moved in that building, there was a young girl
[23:05] Speaker 4: who lived there. She was struggling with her mental health
[23:08] Speaker 4: so much that she tried to like end her life there,
[23:13] Speaker 4: and she was just missing for a while. And then
[23:19] Speaker 4: she came back from the hospital and she was no
[23:21] Speaker 4: longer able to live there because of her attempt, which
[23:24] Speaker 4: happened in the apartment. So then that apartment was empty
[23:29] Speaker 4: for a while. And then this man moves into this
[23:32] Speaker 4: apartment and this becomes the man that I started dating
[23:35] Speaker 4: during COVID.
[23:37] Speaker 7: Oh, so it was like a kind of convenience dating thing.
[23:40] Speaker 4: But he was like there and he was charming, and
[23:43] Speaker 4: he was like, you know the way I kind of
[23:44] Speaker 4: spent my time for six months.
[23:46] Speaker 1: Did you get to be the person from the movie
[23:48] Speaker 1: that's like, you know, people leave this apartment because it's haunted?
[23:54] Speaker 1: Is that how you met him?
[23:55] Speaker 4: I mean kind of he brought me sushi one day.
[23:59] Speaker 4: It was just like a cute like love bombing thing.
[24:02] Speaker 4: But like Kiki like got to him on day one,
[24:06] Speaker 4: just like me and just had to tell him about
[24:08] Speaker 4: how like how haunted this apartment he'd been waiting to
[24:11] Speaker 4: move into was and he's like mm hmm, okay. You
[24:14] Speaker 4: know he's a very like level headed, skeptical man. Okay,
[24:18] Speaker 4: And so I start hanging out there more. He's like, yeah,
[24:24] Speaker 4: you know, I had some problems moving in. He's like,
[24:26] Speaker 4: all of the things that I was hanging up on
[24:29] Speaker 4: the wall, I'd put it up and then I wake
[24:31] Speaker 4: up in the next morning and it was all on
[24:33] Speaker 4: the ground. Either someone had said it on the ground
[24:37] Speaker 4: or it had woke him up because it was falling off.
[24:40] Speaker 4: And so the point where he had to like mount
[24:43] Speaker 4: with like more intense hardware to keep things on.
[24:47] Speaker 1: What are we talking like picture frames or TVs.
[24:51] Speaker 4: Picture frames, large canvases, shelving units. There was like a
[24:56] Speaker 4: shelving unit. And this guy is like an engineer, so
[24:59] Speaker 4: it's not you know, he doesn't know how to use
[25:02] Speaker 4: anchors and hang things.
[25:03] Speaker 7: Up properly like me.
[25:06] Speaker 6: Same.
[25:06] Speaker 4: Yeah, So it was things that shouldn't be falling off,
[25:09] Speaker 4: and so I'm like, okay, like that's that's kind of weird.
[25:13] Speaker 4: But this is a like really bright, nice apartment. This
[25:15] Speaker 4: is not like you walk in and you're creeped out.
[25:19] Speaker 4: So things started like slowly kind of developing more. I
[25:24] Speaker 4: came over to his house one morning. I was walking
[25:27] Speaker 4: down there and his front door was open. I was like, dude,
[25:30] Speaker 4: like you left the front door to your apartment open.
[25:32] Speaker 4: He's like, oh, well, like in the middle of the night,
[25:34] Speaker 4: I heard banging on the door and I thought it
[25:36] Speaker 4: was you. So I like got up half asleep and
[25:38] Speaker 4: unlocked the door so that you could come in. And
[25:41] Speaker 4: I was like, that was not me.
[25:43] Speaker 1: It was Kiki. Kiki was trying to get in there.
[25:46] Speaker 6: Ki whatever.
[25:48] Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean it's a locked building.
[25:50] Speaker 4: There's no way to get in, but there's only thirteen
[25:53] Speaker 4: units up there. It's it's like very small. It was
[25:56] Speaker 4: built in like nineteen thirty and there's some shops below.
[26:00] Speaker 4: And I'm like, that was not me. And so later
[26:03] Speaker 4: that night we were in his bedroom. I was helping
[26:06] Speaker 4: him kind of full his laundry, and I think I
[26:08] Speaker 4: had maybe had like one cocktail, you know, and at
[26:12] Speaker 4: some point we both passed out cold and did not
[26:16] Speaker 4: wake out up until the next day. It had like
[26:19] Speaker 4: and I woke up like just in a really strange position,
[26:22] Speaker 4: and we were both like what happened? And like, prior
[26:25] Speaker 4: to that, the room had gotten like very cold, and
[26:28] Speaker 4: we're like, I'm like, what is happening?
[26:29] Speaker 7: And then we just passed out what And it.
[26:33] Speaker 4: Was a really strange situation, and like I didn't go
[26:36] Speaker 4: back a couple of days.
[26:37] Speaker 7: It was like this is this is weird.
[26:39] Speaker 4: And then things like started to really heat up more
[26:43] Speaker 4: after that. Like we would wake up in the morning
[26:45] Speaker 4: and the ceiling fan would be swinging back and forth
[26:50] Speaker 4: to the point that the blades were scraping the ceiling,
[26:53] Speaker 4: and then you would see the ceiling fan slowly just
[26:57] Speaker 4: kind of stabilize and then stopped raping the ceiling and
[27:01] Speaker 4: that was scary because that was directly above the bed,
[27:04] Speaker 4: so like whatever was in here, it was like tricky
[27:06] Speaker 4: but also threatening.
[27:08] Speaker 7: There were like some really strange dreams I.
[27:11] Speaker 4: Had in that apartment, and then there was like one
[27:15] Speaker 4: night where I was just laying there, I woke up
[27:17] Speaker 4: suddenly and felt such an oppressive energy that I had
[27:22] Speaker 4: this like full range like panic attack that I'm like,
[27:25] Speaker 4: I'm not a pandemic since all the teenager, you know,
[27:27] Speaker 4: and it was something that I had never experienced before.
[27:32] Speaker 7: And he started to.
[27:33] Speaker 4: Tell me things like, you know, things are like very
[27:35] Speaker 4: weird in here. He's like I'm having more problems with walls.
[27:41] Speaker 4: He would pass out in the living room sometimes and
[27:45] Speaker 4: wake up at like three two am and just feel
[27:48] Speaker 4: like there was something kind of standing over him, like
[27:52] Speaker 4: an oppressive force. And this is like not like a
[27:54] Speaker 4: spooky like someone who's like into spooky stuff.
[27:57] Speaker 1: Now, why were you guys not sleeping at your place?
[28:00] Speaker 1: That's what I would have done, you know.
[28:02] Speaker 7: He didn't like my bed was the one it was.
[28:06] Speaker 4: He didn't like my bed. I'm like, look, you know,
[28:08] Speaker 4: so we would stay over there. I stopped sleeping over there.
[28:11] Speaker 4: It was just too much for me to handle, like emotionally.
[28:15] Speaker 4: There's this one area of the apartment that's like a closet,
[28:18] Speaker 4: and the closet, according to Kiki, is a portal, and
[28:21] Speaker 4: that's where he would like set up his little workshop
[28:24] Speaker 4: and he would go in there and he'd be just
[28:26] Speaker 4: like hyper focus to the point where he would like
[28:28] Speaker 4: not even like acknowledge me, and he would be in
[28:32] Speaker 4: there for hours and then just get out and be
[28:36] Speaker 4: like very spacey, very grumpy and just kind of like
[28:40] Speaker 4: not himself. Things started to kind of amp up one
[28:44] Speaker 4: night where I was at home, and uh, this has
[28:49] Speaker 4: happened twice.
[28:50] Speaker 7: I was the first time I happened.
[28:51] Speaker 4: I was at home, hadn't heard from him early that day,
[28:54] Speaker 4: and he comes like running down the hall and he
[28:56] Speaker 4: has like a towel on his hips and soap in
[28:58] Speaker 4: his hair, and he's like, Morgan, there's something in my
[28:59] Speaker 4: back or something in my bathroom. I saw it standing
[29:02] Speaker 4: outside of my shower curtain, and I just got the
[29:05] Speaker 4: hell out of there. And I'm just like, dude, you
[29:08] Speaker 4: just ran like half naked down the hall, and this
[29:10] Speaker 4: is how like scared you are.
[29:11] Speaker 1: What did he see?
[29:13] Speaker 4: He said it was a dark silhouette standing on the
[29:16] Speaker 4: other side of his shower curtain and that it got
[29:19] Speaker 4: ice cold in his like shower room. I was like, dude,
[29:24] Speaker 4: I would have been too scared to get out, Like
[29:26] Speaker 4: I would just stayed there and cried.
[29:28] Speaker 1: Literally what do you even do? Like, yeah, oh my god.
[29:32] Speaker 4: At this point, I'm like, dude, like your apartment is
[29:34] Speaker 4: really haunted, like there's something going on here, and he's
[29:38] Speaker 4: still not like fully acknowledging it. So the next next
[29:43] Speaker 4: week I come and I bring like a black tormaline crystal,
[29:46] Speaker 4: which are like, you know, supposed to repel negative energy.
[29:49] Speaker 3: Whatever.
[29:50] Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I got them all over this apartment.
[29:53] Speaker 4: Yeah, so are like playing cards. It's like a normal evening.
[29:58] Speaker 4: Still have this weird relationship apartment. I still don't really
[30:00] Speaker 4: want to be in there at night anymore, like things changed,
[30:02] Speaker 4: like in our relationship even because it just is so weird.
[30:05] Speaker 4: And so we'll get done like playing cards. He's like,
[30:07] Speaker 4: go ah, I'm a shower, and he's like, i'll hit
[30:09] Speaker 4: you up later.
[30:10] Speaker 7: I'm like, okay, cool.
[30:11] Speaker 4: Before I left, I took this crystal and I set
[30:14] Speaker 4: it on top of a wine hutch where there was
[30:16] Speaker 4: a lit candle, like a safety candle, you know, And
[30:20] Speaker 4: I just set it up there and then I just left.
[30:22] Speaker 4: And was it like my intention to instigate whatever is
[30:25] Speaker 4: in there? But I definitely think that I did, And
[30:29] Speaker 4: so I left. I went back to my apartment and
[30:32] Speaker 4: again he comes booking it down the hall in his towel,
[30:36] Speaker 4: soap in his air, and he's like, it happened again.
[30:38] Speaker 4: He's like, and then I heard crashing from the living room,
[30:41] Speaker 4: which is on the other side of the bathroom. He
[30:43] Speaker 4: goes out there. The candle has been thrown off of
[30:46] Speaker 4: the wine hutch. There's wax everywhere, and the crystal is gone,
[30:53] Speaker 4: like it's gone. I got in my hands and knees.
[30:57] Speaker 4: I looked everywhere for it and could not find it,
[31:02] Speaker 4: and so like, okay, wow, I kind of just pissed
[31:04] Speaker 4: something off here.
[31:05] Speaker 6: Clearly.
[31:06] Speaker 1: That's so scary to me because like in my mind,
[31:10] Speaker 1: if like a ghost or a bad energy or something
[31:13] Speaker 1: touches a Tourmaline, I don't know, it would get electric shocked,
[31:17] Speaker 1: or it would like burn its hand or I don't know,
[31:20] Speaker 1: like I wouldn't think in my mind, it's like not
[31:23] Speaker 1: supposed to be able to move it. It's supposed to
[31:26] Speaker 1: like keep it away.
[31:28] Speaker 4: Right right, which is what has me thinking that like
[31:30] Speaker 4: this whatever was in here was like not like a
[31:33] Speaker 4: human spirit. It's not the impression that I was getting
[31:37] Speaker 4: from whatever was in here. Yeah, And so that was
[31:41] Speaker 4: kind of the amping up point. And then not long
[31:45] Speaker 4: after that our relationship kind of ended for a number
[31:50] Speaker 4: of reasons, but it's just it just did not feel
[31:52] Speaker 4: good being in his presence or in his space anymore.
[31:57] Speaker 4: And several like weeks later there, like this is before
[32:00] Speaker 4: we officially broke up, I went in the house and
[32:03] Speaker 4: I thought, like, you know, I'm just gonna look for
[32:04] Speaker 4: it one more time, because maybe I'm crazy I looked.
[32:07] Speaker 3: I looked.
[32:07] Speaker 7: I got down my hands and knees again.
[32:09] Speaker 4: It was exactly in a spot where I know for
[32:12] Speaker 4: certain that I looked, and it was back and it
[32:14] Speaker 4: was damaged and like cracked. The crystal itself was cracked.
[32:18] Speaker 4: And it was not like a poor quality tomally either.
[32:22] Speaker 4: It wouldn't have just happened from being dropped. It would
[32:26] Speaker 4: have had to like gone through some sort of distress.
[32:29] Speaker 4: So like I just scooped it up. I buried it
[32:31] Speaker 4: in the park, and I'm like, I'm just gonna leave
[32:34] Speaker 4: that there.
[32:35] Speaker 1: So you said this was twenty nineteen. Yeah, at this
[32:38] Speaker 1: point in the story. Has has it gotten to pandemic
[32:42] Speaker 1: time yet?
[32:43] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[32:43] Speaker 4: So I moved in there in twenty nineteen. He moved
[32:45] Speaker 4: in in twenty, like twenty twenty.
[32:47] Speaker 1: Oh my god. So being locked down with that.
[32:50] Speaker 4: Yeah, and so like he is in this space, and
[32:55] Speaker 4: like when he moved out, I helped him move and
[32:59] Speaker 4: so I moved some carpets from the space. And when
[33:04] Speaker 4: we lifted up this giant carpet wherez I kid you not,
[33:07] Speaker 4: there was a human shaped dark stain on this hardwood floor.
[33:12] Speaker 7: It looked like.
[33:13] Speaker 4: A human man like laying on his side, in a
[33:17] Speaker 4: pool blood in this hardwood floor.
[33:19] Speaker 1: Eh, there definitely was somebody that was probably their dad
[33:25] Speaker 1: and decomposing there.
[33:27] Speaker 4: Oh, it was undeniably the shape of person. And then
[33:30] Speaker 4: there was in the bedroom too. There was also a
[33:33] Speaker 4: large dark stain in the hardwood floor. And typically like
[33:37] Speaker 4: you can get those up. I know because I called
[33:39] Speaker 4: the apartment people and like, does something happen here, and
[33:41] Speaker 4: they're like, oh, well, we took over management six years ago,
[33:44] Speaker 4: Like we don't know.
[33:46] Speaker 1: Oh the body was there when we found it, we
[33:48] Speaker 1: don't know.
[33:48] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[33:49] Speaker 7: I was like, oh great, great. Then I started having
[33:52] Speaker 7: problems in my apartment.
[33:54] Speaker 4: I was waking up for a three night span, and
[33:58] Speaker 4: I usually keep my space pretty clean, you know, I
[34:01] Speaker 4: have lots of like trinkets and you know, stuff in there,
[34:04] Speaker 4: so I my space had always been a safe haven
[34:06] Speaker 4: up until the Turmaline incident. I started waking up at
[34:11] Speaker 4: two three am and hearing like a female voice screaming
[34:15] Speaker 4: and it would go on for like a few seconds
[34:17] Speaker 4: and end. And I also started I have it on
[34:20] Speaker 4: I have a video recording it too. But I also
[34:22] Speaker 4: started hearing knocking in my walls and it would be
[34:26] Speaker 4: a rhythmic kind of the thump them like it was rhythmic.
[34:32] Speaker 4: And I would wake up at night hearing this or
[34:36] Speaker 4: be going to bed hearing this, and I'm like, it's
[34:37] Speaker 4: got it. Like I'm trying to tell myself, oh, you know,
[34:40] Speaker 4: maybe you know, maybe it's windy and something's on the roof.
[34:43] Speaker 4: But it was just became rhythmic. And so I'm hearing
[34:48] Speaker 4: the screaming at night. First night, I get up, I'm
[34:51] Speaker 4: really concerned. I'm thinking, like, is there someone being harmed
[34:53] Speaker 4: outside the building? Like I run out to like, look,
[34:55] Speaker 4: I have my phone. I'm getting ready to call in one.
[34:58] Speaker 4: Nothing's happening. Nothing's happening anywhere.
[35:00] Speaker 1: And did it sound like it was outside or could
[35:03] Speaker 1: you really tell it was?
[35:04] Speaker 4: It was like detached. It was hard to like really
[35:09] Speaker 4: hear where it was coming from. But I assumed that
[35:12] Speaker 4: it was from outside because obviously there's nothing going on
[35:14] Speaker 4: in my bedroom, right, I kind of like hustle outside
[35:18] Speaker 4: and of course there's nothing there. And then it happens
[35:21] Speaker 4: again the next night, and then I tell Kiki about it,
[35:24] Speaker 4: and she's like, Morgan, I will come in and pray
[35:26] Speaker 4: for you. And so I was like great, And so
[35:30] Speaker 4: she came in and she said a little prayer in
[35:32] Speaker 4: my apartment and I smudged it and then it stopped.
[35:37] Speaker 4: But that went on for four nights, and like the
[35:39] Speaker 4: fourth night, like before I told Kiki about it, the
[35:43] Speaker 4: screaming went on for a lot longer, and it was
[35:47] Speaker 4: very prolonged, and it was like, pay attention to me.
[35:52] Speaker 4: It's also leaving for work one day and I saw,
[35:55] Speaker 4: like you know those little cabinets in old bathrooms where
[35:58] Speaker 4: you open them up and it's like a mem oh no,
[36:01] Speaker 4: uh oh. My cabinet opened and my toothbrush flew out
[36:05] Speaker 4: of the cabinet into my bathtub as I was like
[36:08] Speaker 4: leaving the house, and I was like, oh.
[36:09] Speaker 7: No, oh, I just left.
[36:13] Speaker 4: But I think, like just the biggest thing is like,
[36:15] Speaker 4: since I've not lived there, it's so just such a
[36:19] Speaker 4: different feeling being home. So I think it's just when
[36:23] Speaker 4: you don't live in a haunted space, you really notice
[36:26] Speaker 4: how much living in a haunted space has an impact
[36:29] Speaker 4: on you.
[36:30] Speaker 1: So but like the stuff in your actual apartment, none
[36:35] Speaker 1: of that started until after your ex moved out.
[36:40] Speaker 4: The stuff in my apartment happened after the Tormaline incident.
[36:44] Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, that's when stuff started happening in my apartment.
[36:48] Speaker 1: That's screaming. Oh, because screaming like that in the middle
[36:52] Speaker 1: of the night, especially multiple nights in a row. It's like,
[36:56] Speaker 1: even if it wasn't a ghost, what is going on
[36:59] Speaker 1: like that? That's so scary.
[37:01] Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, someone being harmed here like that is
[37:03] Speaker 4: like my first impression. But the history of the building,
[37:08] Speaker 4: like a previous tenant that was there like twenty eighteen,
[37:12] Speaker 4: who in that apartment, Like I don't think killed anybody,
[37:16] Speaker 4: but severely beat up multiple people to the point where
[37:20] Speaker 4: like it had to be professionally cleaned by like a
[37:24] Speaker 4: biohazard because there was so much blood in that apartment.
[37:27] Speaker 4: What And like Kiki had been witnessed to that just
[37:30] Speaker 4: she like, as I'm like looking through the research, She's like, Morgan,
[37:34] Speaker 4: you know that like this apartment, the bad shit has
[37:38] Speaker 4: happened in here, Like then the whole ten years I've
[37:40] Speaker 4: lived here, I've seen people very mentally ill people live
[37:44] Speaker 4: in this apartment. I've seen very violent people live in
[37:47] Speaker 4: this apartment. I've seen you know, lots of people break
[37:50] Speaker 4: up in this apartment.
[37:52] Speaker 1: This is the one that you were in or your.
[37:55] Speaker 7: Ex, my ex's apartment.
[37:57] Speaker 4: Oh my God, And I actually looked all of that
[37:59] Speaker 4: stuff up online and it was like confirmed, like, yes,
[38:03] Speaker 4: a serious assault occurred at this apartment.
[38:06] Speaker 1: But do you know what like the original energy or history,
[38:11] Speaker 1: like what's like the root of why this happens?
[38:15] Speaker 4: You know, I have to go off of the expert,
[38:19] Speaker 4: and I think just from Kiki saying that that apartment
[38:22] Speaker 4: is a portal and in that closet, like that is
[38:26] Speaker 4: the portal in which.
[38:27] Speaker 7: Everything is coming from.
[38:29] Speaker 4: And the building's was one hundred years old and it's
[38:32] Speaker 4: been a lot of different things over the years, and
[38:35] Speaker 4: I think it's a combination of residual energy from people
[38:39] Speaker 4: living in that space and the fact that like I
[38:43] Speaker 4: actually was there when people died there, right, So I
[38:46] Speaker 4: think it is just things that have accumulated over time.
[38:51] Speaker 4: But I wasn't able to necessarily find exactly who is
[38:55] Speaker 4: behind these specific acts because I don't think it's a
[38:59] Speaker 4: specific person, right.
[39:01] Speaker 1: But I'm always like, Okay, if you think of a
[39:03] Speaker 1: portal as like an airport for ghosts or edergy or whatever,
[39:10] Speaker 1: I get why humans make airports in big cities that
[39:15] Speaker 1: people travel to, but like, why are you like, let's
[39:18] Speaker 1: do a portal in a closet and Tacoma in an apartment, Like,
[39:23] Speaker 1: what does this happen? It's always like so random.
[39:28] Speaker 7: So the building was built by this man.
[39:32] Speaker 4: He was a Tacoma socialite back in the thirties when
[39:36] Speaker 4: he was making lots of money. He was very into
[39:39] Speaker 4: magic shows. He was a magician, but he was also
[39:42] Speaker 4: a spiritualist. Oh, and was very deep into that. He
[39:46] Speaker 4: actually had a house that was in the same neighborhood,
[39:49] Speaker 4: but he built that building, and so it makes me wonder, Like,
[39:53] Speaker 4: I mean, you just don't know what he was initially
[39:56] Speaker 4: using this building for, but it's already built by some
[40:00] Speaker 4: one who was very attracted to the paranormal and in
[40:04] Speaker 4: various ways. I don't know if he ever lived there personally,
[40:08] Speaker 4: but I know that the building changed a lot over
[40:11] Speaker 4: the years, and like used to be fewer apartments and
[40:14] Speaker 4: now it's more apartments. And I think when you have
[40:17] Speaker 4: like a space that changes so much, it upsets energies
[40:22] Speaker 4: that are in it and leaves confusion, especially like when
[40:26] Speaker 4: one apartment used to be a part of another apartment
[40:29] Speaker 4: and now it's a studio, right, Like I feel that
[40:33] Speaker 4: it's just things have have built up there over the
[40:37] Speaker 4: years and that's kind of what Kiki's assessment of it was.
[40:41] Speaker 4: Also energy and people who never left this building.
[40:45] Speaker 1: Well I'm glad you left.
[40:46] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, me too.
[40:50] Speaker 7: But it was kind it was kind of like spooky
[40:52] Speaker 7: at the time.
[40:53] Speaker 4: It was kind of like fun at the time, and
[40:54] Speaker 4: until start happening in my apartment, yeah, because I couldn't
[40:57] Speaker 4: just leave, but just it would just be such a weird.
[41:00] Speaker 4: And I know that you know what I'm talking about,
[41:02] Speaker 4: where it's like you are in a space and then
[41:03] Speaker 4: you step outside of the building, where you step outside
[41:06] Speaker 4: of the room and you just immediately feel better.
[41:09] Speaker 1: It was that, oh I'm sure, especially when it's your
[41:12] Speaker 1: twenty four to seven like that just that's too much,
[41:15] Speaker 1: or even walking down the hallway likeugh no, yeah, well Morgan,
[41:21] Speaker 1: I gotta hop on another call. But this is amazing
[41:24] Speaker 1: that you know. I love a beginning, middle, and end,
[41:27] Speaker 1: and this was like the perfect Yeah, you move into
[41:30] Speaker 1: a place, all this stuff happens, and then you leave.
[41:33] Speaker 1: Oh love it beautiful. Thank you so much for doing this.
[41:37] Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you for having me. I hope you have
[41:39] Speaker 7: a grace of your day.
[41:40] Speaker 1: Thank you you too. I'll talk to you later.
[41:43] Speaker 2: All right. Bye.
[41:54] Speaker 1: That's one of those moments. I don't even need my
[41:56] Speaker 1: deposit back. I am out of there. Okay, we already
[42:02] Speaker 1: talked to one John, I say, we talked to another.
[42:05] Speaker 1: Here's John, who was a theater performer and has some
[42:11] Speaker 1: stories to tell about it. Places. Everyone enter stage left, John,
[42:23] Speaker 1: I am joined by John, the theater kid from Philadelphia.
[42:31] Speaker 1: How's it going.
[42:32] Speaker 6: It's going swimmingly.
[42:34] Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for joining me. I was so excited
[42:38] Speaker 1: to hear that you have a story about Summerstock theater,
[42:42] Speaker 1: which is a thing that I love you, Oh my god, obsessed.
[42:49] Speaker 1: I don't go to enough of it, but it's something
[42:52] Speaker 1: I always wanted to do. I did very little of
[42:55] Speaker 1: in my life, and I hope at one point in
[42:57] Speaker 1: my life I do do and spend a full summer
[43:00] Speaker 1: doing it.
[43:01] Speaker 6: Yes, and brace the chaos.
[43:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, you get little romances, you get there's the dramas
[43:09] Speaker 1: I love, and then also the performing shore but I like,
[43:13] Speaker 1: I like all the other stuff too.
[43:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, performing less and less important than the drama.
[43:19] Speaker 1: Yes. But okay, so you're doing the Summer Stock and
[43:25] Speaker 1: we're not just going to talk about Summer Stock because
[43:27] Speaker 1: there's also ghosts involved here. What's the story.
[43:31] Speaker 6: Yeah, So I'm gonna take you back in time. Okay,
[43:35] Speaker 6: We're gonna go back to.
[43:36] Speaker 2: The nineties fun, specifically the summer of nineteen ninety five.
[43:42] Speaker 2: So you know, get out your Tori Inos, little earthquake bed,
[43:46] Speaker 2: your Madonna's dead jewelry d. You know, it's at least
[43:50] Speaker 2: if you were queer life like me. Okay, So yeah,
[43:56] Speaker 2: so let me let me take you there. So where
[44:00] Speaker 2: this happened was on the campus of Muhlenberg College, which
[44:04] Speaker 2: was it still is a tiny liberal arts college in Allentown, Pennsylvania,
[44:10] Speaker 2: which is about forty five minutes away from where I
[44:12] Speaker 2: grew up. So this was the summer nineteen ninety five.
[44:15] Speaker 2: I just graduated from high school and I was going
[44:18] Speaker 2: to start undergrad there in the fall. Now, they do
[44:22] Speaker 2: this sort of summer musical theater summer stuck thing where
[44:27] Speaker 2: they basically get a lot of kids together, pay them
[44:31] Speaker 2: one hundred dollars for three months to perform like to
[44:35] Speaker 2: musical quote unquote professional because they bring in like two
[44:39] Speaker 2: union actors from like New York.
[44:42] Speaker 1: Lovely love it.
[44:44] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[44:45] Speaker 2: So the theater is really big at Melimber College. It
[44:48] Speaker 2: continues to be next to where the theater complexes where
[44:52] Speaker 2: this kind of experience took place was this how and
[44:55] Speaker 2: it was called the Bernheim House. It was named after
[44:59] Speaker 2: the sky Oscar Bernheim. It was constructed around nineteen fifteen
[45:03] Speaker 2: nineteen seventeen. In Oscar Bernheim was the treasurer of the
[45:08] Speaker 2: college from around like the early.
[45:11] Speaker 6: Nineteen hundred to well. He died in nineteen forty.
[45:15] Speaker 2: Six, but he held like a few different roles or
[45:17] Speaker 2: something like that.
[45:18] Speaker 6: So it was a private home. It was Oscar Bernheim's.
[45:21] Speaker 2: House, and then it became I think like a women's
[45:24] Speaker 2: residence hall and then a German studies house, and then
[45:27] Speaker 2: eventually it was sort of like the theater dorm later
[45:32] Speaker 2: like in the nineties.
[45:33] Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like the perfect place to be haunted.
[45:37] Speaker 2: Exactly for many different reasons.
[45:42] Speaker 6: And it was kind of like it like.
[45:44] Speaker 2: It has kind of done the script architecture, Like if
[45:47] Speaker 2: you look at old photos of it, you can find.
[45:49] Speaker 6: Them if you google. It just looks creepy.
[45:52] Speaker 2: I don't know how to say about this, but it
[45:56] Speaker 2: was sort of famous for its theater kids porch party.
[45:59] Speaker 6: Basically we was, you know, for a party there and
[46:01] Speaker 6: stuff like that.
[46:02] Speaker 1: So I bet those were noisy, very.
[46:06] Speaker 2: Noisy but there were only the fraternities behind the house,
[46:09] Speaker 2: so the noise kind of just canceled each other out
[46:12] Speaker 2: of the residents living around this area.
[46:15] Speaker 1: Okay, so if you're in the neighborhood, you're seeing all
[46:18] Speaker 1: these houses and you're trying to find this one, you
[46:21] Speaker 1: listen for the Sondheim and you found it.
[46:26] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[46:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, Although the funny thing about the effect you say
[46:29] Speaker 2: that is is.
[46:29] Speaker 6: That actually the Summer Stock director hate it. Stephen Sondheim
[46:33] Speaker 6: would never do it, like with.
[46:34] Speaker 2: A big sort of classical like pre seventies kind of
[46:39] Speaker 2: musical person, so you would never hear Sonheim.
[46:42] Speaker 1: Okay, what were the shows that you guys were doing.
[46:44] Speaker 6: I think that.
[46:45] Speaker 2: Summer and I had to really jog my memory for
[46:48] Speaker 2: this because I put a couple of summers there. I
[46:50] Speaker 2: think they were Oliver and forty second Street, both like
[46:56] Speaker 2: Orphans and Tappers.
[46:58] Speaker 1: Okay, fun, So in this house, this is where you
[47:02] Speaker 1: guys were housed when you were doing this.
[47:04] Speaker 6: Yeah, well, part of us it housed.
[47:06] Speaker 2: I think there were like ten or ten or twelve
[47:08] Speaker 2: of us that were staying in there, and there was
[47:10] Speaker 2: they also housed people in the freshman door because there
[47:13] Speaker 2: were a lot more kids just ten to twelve.
[47:15] Speaker 6: But I wound up getting put in that house.
[47:17] Speaker 2: Got it okay, So it was the house of three stories.
[47:22] Speaker 2: They put me in the third floor, which was the
[47:24] Speaker 2: only room on that floor. So the first and the
[47:27] Speaker 2: second they had like I think, like three different rooms.
[47:31] Speaker 2: In this room, it was kind of like it really
[47:33] Speaker 2: did feel like an attic space, so there was kind
[47:36] Speaker 2: of like sloping.
[47:36] Speaker 6: Ceilings, and then in the room two there.
[47:40] Speaker 2: Was this kind of like you know, one of the
[47:42] Speaker 2: small sort of like two foot high gnome kind of
[47:46] Speaker 2: doors that went into like a crawl and attic space.
[47:49] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're the dead bodies where they used to
[47:51] Speaker 1: hide those.
[47:53] Speaker 6: Or the dead raccoons like whatever. Yeah. Yeah, so I
[47:58] Speaker 6: had I was put together with a room made in
[48:00] Speaker 6: this room, so it was very dorm stylent there. But
[48:02] Speaker 6: he mostly commuted it and didn't.
[48:05] Speaker 2: Spend partly any time there at all. I think he
[48:07] Speaker 2: stayed there the one night where we both experienced something,
[48:10] Speaker 2: and I don't remember that he came back. Yeah, so
[48:14] Speaker 2: I did have a roommate, but he was ember there.
[48:16] Speaker 1: Basically, did you know it was haunted when you moved in?
[48:20] Speaker 2: So there were whispers about this, but there was nothing
[48:23] Speaker 2: like where someone definitively said I had an experience here,
[48:27] Speaker 2: but there were sort of whispers that the Bernheim ghosts
[48:30] Speaker 2: like the ghost of after Bernheim, but no one really
[48:32] Speaker 2: ever kind of likes that sound and be like, okay, listen,
[48:35] Speaker 2: so this happened, but there were definitely kind of there
[48:38] Speaker 2: was chatter about it.
[48:40] Speaker 1: Okay, so what happened?
[48:42] Speaker 6: So okay.
[48:43] Speaker 2: The first odd experience I had was so one morning
[48:48] Speaker 2: I overslapt You know, this is before cell phone well,
[48:51] Speaker 2: I mean we had those like big car cell phones,
[48:53] Speaker 2: it's like the size of the briefcase. But I didn't
[48:55] Speaker 2: have a cell phone, so this was like before that time.
[48:59] Speaker 2: So I overslew and I missed the start of rehearsal
[49:02] Speaker 2: because my this digital alarm clock that.
[49:05] Speaker 6: I had brought with me didn't go off.
[49:07] Speaker 2: And when I kind of like woke up, eventually I
[49:09] Speaker 2: realized that it wasn't there, Like it was no longer
[49:12] Speaker 2: on the bedside dresser where I'd put it, and I
[49:14] Speaker 2: looked around.
[49:15] Speaker 6: I looked around and looked around.
[49:16] Speaker 2: I couldn't find it, looked under the bed and I
[49:18] Speaker 2: think and I eventually just went to like the CBS
[49:20] Speaker 2: and bought a new one.
[49:21] Speaker 1: You never found it.
[49:22] Speaker 6: Well, we're getting there.
[49:24] Speaker 1: Oh okay.
[49:26] Speaker 6: So it was like the first sort of aut experience.
[49:28] Speaker 2: And then like maybe, like I want to say, like
[49:30] Speaker 2: one or two weekend nights later, the roommate and actually
[49:34] Speaker 2: stayed over.
[49:34] Speaker 6: I think we had a party and there was drinking
[49:36] Speaker 6: and whatever.
[49:38] Speaker 2: And the next morning we get woken up by this knocking.
[49:42] Speaker 2: He gets up and he opens the door to the
[49:45] Speaker 2: to the room when there's nobody there. So we're kind
[49:48] Speaker 2: of like, okay, I throw back in the bed and
[49:50] Speaker 2: we hear this knocking again, and then we realized it
[49:53] Speaker 2: sounds like it's coming from the other side of the small.
[49:56] Speaker 6: Attic door that's in the room.
[49:58] Speaker 2: You know, we're thinking, did someone get this is the
[50:03] Speaker 2: first thought. Did someone get drunk and pass out in there? Now,
[50:07] Speaker 2: mind you, nobody came up to the third floor.
[50:10] Speaker 6: I was new to all these people. No one came
[50:12] Speaker 6: up there to hang out.
[50:13] Speaker 1: But also, like, if that was the case, who the
[50:16] Speaker 1: hell would just knock like you would you'd be like, hey,
[50:21] Speaker 1: can you open it up? Like you would be saying,
[50:25] Speaker 1: especially at.
[50:26] Speaker 6: Seventeen years old. I was seventeen, in horny. I didn't
[50:29] Speaker 6: have any thought other than that.
[50:31] Speaker 2: Okay, I no, thinking, what's happening.
[50:35] Speaker 1: Okay, So we hear this knocking.
[50:38] Speaker 6: We both kind of realized it's coming from the door.
[50:39] Speaker 3: See.
[50:39] Speaker 2: He goes over and he kind of like unlatches the
[50:43] Speaker 2: door and he opens it and he looks inside.
[50:47] Speaker 6: There's nobody in there.
[50:49] Speaker 2: However, he pulls something out and holds it up and
[50:54] Speaker 2: it was the missing alarm clock.
[50:56] Speaker 1: No, wait a second, So not only did the ghost
[51:01] Speaker 1: take the alarm clock and hide it in there, but
[51:03] Speaker 1: they also turned the alarm off because it never went off.
[51:06] Speaker 6: Well, it was unplugged. It was one of this plugged
[51:08] Speaker 6: in ones. It wasn't like a battery operator once.
[51:10] Speaker 2: Oh it was one of the okay, yeah, yeah, So
[51:13] Speaker 2: I was like, okay, weird. But at the same time
[51:16] Speaker 2: I wasn't really I didn't really think that much about it.
[51:20] Speaker 6: Now, mind you, other people were.
[51:21] Speaker 2: Living in the house, like I said, but I didn't
[51:23] Speaker 2: really know anybody.
[51:24] Speaker 6: I was like, oh, maybe someone it was a prank.
[51:26] Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know.
[51:28] Speaker 2: So, so, okay, I should preface this next thing with
[51:33] Speaker 2: so I identify as a queer witch. I felt drawn to this,
[51:38] Speaker 2: you know, very early on, like at the age of ten,
[51:41] Speaker 2: I found some life practical Candle Magic book but by
[51:44] Speaker 2: Ray Buckland in the bookstore, and I had to be
[51:48] Speaker 2: like really sneaky with it in my home because they
[51:50] Speaker 2: were Catholic.
[51:52] Speaker 6: But I really kind of like looked into it.
[51:54] Speaker 2: And I remember I pitched out some like red and
[51:57] Speaker 2: white Christmas candles for.
[51:59] Speaker 6: My parents based and I used to set up these.
[52:02] Speaker 2: Candles and like rituals described in the book, and like
[52:05] Speaker 2: the woods.
[52:06] Speaker 6: Behind my parents how cute. I was really kind of
[52:11] Speaker 6: like living my best fantasy.
[52:13] Speaker 2: I was living, like, yeah, I think I even at
[52:15] Speaker 2: one point stole a choir rogue from school and like dress.
[52:19] Speaker 6: Up like the pictures of the witches in the book
[52:22] Speaker 6: and experimentation.
[52:25] Speaker 2: So in the Burnheim house, I always had like to
[52:29] Speaker 2: send somebody watching. I don't know, it's just like a
[52:31] Speaker 2: scary feeling. So one night I figured I'd be like,
[52:34] Speaker 2: why don't we try one of these candles fells down
[52:37] Speaker 2: in the basement, because why not?
[52:40] Speaker 6: And I was by myself, so I you know, I
[52:42] Speaker 6: laid up candles.
[52:43] Speaker 2: I did a little thing, but I don't remember actually
[52:46] Speaker 2: getting anything from that.
[52:48] Speaker 6: At all, Like nothing happened.
[52:50] Speaker 2: However, I think it wasn't that night, but it was
[52:54] Speaker 2: probably like a couple of nights after that little like
[52:58] Speaker 2: fell experimentation, and after rehearsal, like a bunch of people
[53:02] Speaker 2: went over to I think it was like the freshman
[53:04] Speaker 2: door and they had some big party, and you know,
[53:06] Speaker 2: I came back and I went to bed after rehearsal.
[53:09] Speaker 2: You know, I was like forty before I was nineteen.
[53:13] Speaker 2: In the middle of the night, I remember I woke
[53:15] Speaker 2: up and I have this horrible feeling of being pinned
[53:19] Speaker 2: down to the bed, as if someone was just like
[53:22] Speaker 2: all of their weight was on me. And then this
[53:25] Speaker 2: voice whispering in my ear, very very very fast, and
[53:31] Speaker 2: I couldn't make out with what was being said. I
[53:34] Speaker 2: remember it really vividly because it was a feeling where
[53:36] Speaker 2: you could actually steel the air from someone's mouth speaking
[53:41] Speaker 2: in your ear.
[53:44] Speaker 6: So I get out of bed.
[53:45] Speaker 2: I turn all the lights, like really discombobulated, but there's nothing.
[53:49] Speaker 6: There's nothing, so.
[53:50] Speaker 1: You were able to like break out of this thing
[53:53] Speaker 1: that was holding you down.
[53:55] Speaker 6: Yeah, it was just kind of like a little bit
[53:57] Speaker 6: of a fog. All the lights are on. So I
[54:00] Speaker 6: I went back to the death I tried to fall
[54:02] Speaker 6: back asleep with all the lights on, and I remember it.
[54:06] Speaker 6: It took a very very long time for me to
[54:09] Speaker 6: even like fall back, like a very very bright room.
[54:14] Speaker 2: So that was the first time it happened. It happened again,
[54:18] Speaker 2: Oh god, And I remember this was like a night
[54:21] Speaker 2: or two later. I can't remember the time. Like I said,
[54:24] Speaker 2: the roommate wasn't staying over.
[54:27] Speaker 6: I woke up again. I was pinned to the bed.
[54:29] Speaker 6: There's that intense whispering in my ear. The only thing
[54:32] Speaker 6: is that this time I saw something.
[54:35] Speaker 1: What did you see?
[54:37] Speaker 2: There was this tallish figure standing inside the room.
[54:42] Speaker 6: The lights weren't on.
[54:44] Speaker 2: It was up against the door leading into the room,
[54:47] Speaker 2: and I felt pinned down to the bed. I kind
[54:49] Speaker 2: of threw myself out of the bed. I again turned
[54:52] Speaker 2: all the lights on.
[54:54] Speaker 6: And I was done.
[54:55] Speaker 8: So I grabbed the pants, I grabbed the car keys,
[55:00] Speaker 8: and I ran out of the house. I got into
[55:03] Speaker 8: my car and I drove forty five minutes home for
[55:06] Speaker 8: my parents out wait.
[55:08] Speaker 1: But so this thing like it was like a tall
[55:11] Speaker 1: like what like black shadow?
[55:14] Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.
[55:15] Speaker 2: It was very shadowy because there was no there's no
[55:18] Speaker 2: light in the room except the light that was coming
[55:20] Speaker 2: in through the window.
[55:21] Speaker 6: I remember feeling like this was very much like you know.
[55:24] Speaker 6: I hate to.
[55:25] Speaker 2: Gender this, but it did feel like some kind of
[55:28] Speaker 2: like masculine thing.
[55:32] Speaker 1: Oh that was Oscar Burn High.
[55:37] Speaker 2: I don't know, but I drove home to my parents
[55:39] Speaker 2: and I stayed and I can neute it for the
[55:42] Speaker 2: rest of the couple of weeks that remained until that
[55:45] Speaker 2: full year started, and then I finally.
[55:47] Speaker 6: Lived in the freshman dorm. I refused to stay in
[55:50] Speaker 6: that house.
[55:51] Speaker 1: Did that roommate ever have anything to say?
[55:53] Speaker 6: They never came back, They never stayed there again. I
[55:56] Speaker 6: think they only stayed there for that.
[55:57] Speaker 2: Night, and I think it was maybe one other night,
[56:00] Speaker 2: but they never came back again after.
[56:02] Speaker 6: I don't believe that knocking experience.
[56:04] Speaker 1: Wow, So did you tell the other people in the house, like,
[56:09] Speaker 1: was there any other talk of stuff happening or is
[56:11] Speaker 1: it mainly just that room?
[56:13] Speaker 6: Okay, so there's another piece of the story.
[56:16] Speaker 2: There was this one friend of mine, Jessica, who was
[56:19] Speaker 2: Jessica was going to be a senior when I was
[56:21] Speaker 2: a freshman. Jessica was on their way out and I
[56:24] Speaker 2: remember telling Jessica about this, and Jessica was like, oh, yeah,
[56:27] Speaker 2: that was probably Oscar.
[56:29] Speaker 6: I'm like, well, wait a second, I can't be that easy.
[56:32] Speaker 6: Have you ever had like an experience with those, have you?
[56:35] Speaker 6: You know, they're like, well, not like.
[56:37] Speaker 2: Directly, but they they've always said that there was this
[56:39] Speaker 2: feeling of something else that's in here, and they've always
[56:43] Speaker 2: heard whispers about the ghosts.
[56:45] Speaker 6: Of Oscar Vernheim.
[56:46] Speaker 2: Now, whether whether it was kind of rumorish or whatever,
[56:50] Speaker 2: I'm not really sure whether or not it was, because
[56:53] Speaker 2: I kind of, like, you know, tried to make some contacts.
[56:56] Speaker 2: I don't know, but there was definitely it wasn't something
[56:59] Speaker 2: like people well Jessica wasn't shocked by it, I should say, yeah, And.
[57:04] Speaker 1: It was only ever at night. It was like not
[57:07] Speaker 1: daytime stuff.
[57:08] Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean I during the day, and like
[57:11] Speaker 2: when I would come back, I think it was like
[57:12] Speaker 2: when they'd go lunch break or something, or like when
[57:15] Speaker 2: I would do launching down in the basement, there's always.
[57:17] Speaker 6: A feeling that like someone else was in there.
[57:20] Speaker 2: And I think I do remember a time when it
[57:22] Speaker 2: actually had called up the basement scares to ask if
[57:25] Speaker 2: someone was upstairs, and no one responded. So it was
[57:28] Speaker 2: kind of this a little bit ongoing. But I remember
[57:31] Speaker 2: these particular things stood out the most.
[57:34] Speaker 6: For me because they were just really present.
[57:36] Speaker 2: Booo.
[57:38] Speaker 3: It's probably a lot of years later.
[57:40] Speaker 6: I was wondering to myself, could it have been sleep paralysis?
[57:44] Speaker 6: But the thing about that is.
[57:45] Speaker 2: Is I've never experienced sleep paralysis before, and I never
[57:50] Speaker 2: experienced it after that.
[57:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, We've talked about this before on the show, where
[57:56] Speaker 1: it seems like there's rooms where these experience has happened,
[58:00] Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, maybe it was sleep paralysis, but like,
[58:05] Speaker 1: why is it only happening in those rooms? To me,
[58:07] Speaker 1: like that is beyond just some kind of thing that
[58:11] Speaker 1: happens to everyone when they sleep, Like that's that's some
[58:15] Speaker 1: Oscar Sondheim or whatever his name Bernheim.
[58:20] Speaker 2: I want to tell you about this piece of information
[58:23] Speaker 2: I found because I you know, when I was thinking
[58:25] Speaker 2: about this, I wanted to go back and do some
[58:28] Speaker 2: a little bit of researchers to check it in with
[58:29] Speaker 2: some of the dates about the how so the how
[58:32] Speaker 2: I think I mentioned it was demolished in nineteen ninety seven,
[58:35] Speaker 2: and they demolished it to build a whole new sort
[58:38] Speaker 2: of multimillion dollar theater expansion, so they raised it to
[58:42] Speaker 2: the ground. Looked like a little over a year and
[58:45] Speaker 2: a half after this. But when I was doing research
[58:49] Speaker 2: to kind of figure out some dates. I found a
[58:52] Speaker 2: little piece of information in the archive of Miihlenburgh College. Now,
[58:57] Speaker 2: whether this is sure or not, who knows, But they
[58:59] Speaker 2: say that Oscar Burnheim died in that room on the
[59:02] Speaker 2: third floor in nineteen forty six.
[59:05] Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense.
[59:13] Speaker 6: Yeah yeah.
[59:14] Speaker 1: I wonder though, like why he wouldn't want you to
[59:18] Speaker 1: wake up, Like why he wanted to hide your alarm clock,
[59:23] Speaker 1: and like what, like what's that all about? Is he
[59:26] Speaker 1: just being flirty?
[59:28] Speaker 6: It gives me trick survives. I mean, I don't I
[59:32] Speaker 6: don't know Oscar personally.
[59:34] Speaker 1: Oscar sounds like a silly bitch. I'm sorry, Oscar was silly.
[59:41] Speaker 2: I wonder he thought Oscar might have been a hoo
[59:43] Speaker 2: because some of the some of the stuff that I
[59:45] Speaker 2: read of was Oscar loved his rose garden out doc
[59:49] Speaker 2: and would constantly be tending the roses.
[59:51] Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, I wonder if this is the homo.
[59:54] Speaker 1: Now, come on something, it's not only homos and women that.
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just I just pictured that lovely gentleman
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: tending to roses.
[1:00:10] Speaker 6: Or maybe he's a I don't know.
[1:00:16] Speaker 1: You never know. It could could be.
[1:00:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it's unfortunate they leveled the house. But
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: I've also heard every once in a while that there's
[1:00:28] Speaker 2: been chatter about ocstur Burnheim's spirits still kind of being
[1:00:32] Speaker 2: around the area.
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he had to go somewhere. I say, you
[1:00:37] Speaker 1: go back there and you figure out was he a homo?
[1:00:46] Speaker 6: I said planner? I said, plan a rose bush.
[1:00:48] Speaker 1: Plan a rose bush. See how he feels about that,
[1:00:52] Speaker 1: and if he likes it, I guess we know he
[1:00:54] Speaker 1: was gay. Well, John, thank you so much for sharing
[1:01:01] Speaker 1: this with me. I have to go hop on another call,
[1:01:05] Speaker 1: but this was wonderful.
[1:01:08] Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you so much for having me on here.
[1:01:11] Speaker 1: All Right, I see you later. Okay, thanks John. Okay, Last,
[1:01:19] Speaker 1: but not least, it's Casey. And Casey's one of these
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: people whose family has just lived with a ghost, as
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: if it's like having a Labrador Retriever Golden Retriever. I
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: don't know dogs very well, but you know what I mean,
[1:01:35] Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it's just part of the family. Yeah
[1:01:38] Speaker 1: that sometimes the ghost just comes and goes and they
[1:01:43] Speaker 1: still live with it. And there's a moment where I
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: really get shocked when I discover that during this conversation.
[1:01:51] Speaker 1: So here we go. Time for some Casey. I am
[1:01:59] Speaker 1: joined by Casey and Vermont. Hi Kasey, Hello, Raz Okay,
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: I want to hear about your family home. What's this
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: all about?
[1:02:14] Speaker 5: Yeah, so, my parents purchased their house in two thousand
[1:02:18] Speaker 5: and five, and it was built in the nineteen seventies
[1:02:22] Speaker 5: and homely been owned by three other families before we
[1:02:25] Speaker 5: bought it. But before we bought it, the previous owners
[1:02:28] Speaker 5: were renting it out to college students and they did
[1:02:31] Speaker 5: a ton of damage to the house, unspeknown to the
[1:02:33] Speaker 5: owner who lived out of state. So we couldn't actually
[1:02:36] Speaker 5: move into the house for about a month after we
[1:02:39] Speaker 5: purchased it because we had to make repairs, replace flooring
[1:02:42] Speaker 5: and paint. And after we moved into the house, the
[1:02:46] Speaker 5: word kind of started getting around our small town that
[1:02:48] Speaker 5: we had bought this house and moved in, and people
[1:02:51] Speaker 5: around town were like coming up to us when we
[1:02:53] Speaker 5: were out and about running errands, being like, I heard
[1:02:55] Speaker 5: you bought the colonel's house.
[1:02:57] Speaker 1: The colonel sanders, yeah, right right, We're like okay, colonel great, Yeah, sure,
[1:03:03] Speaker 1: we bought that house.
[1:03:04] Speaker 5: And then we actually had a family friend who actually
[1:03:07] Speaker 5: knew the colonel. So the colonel built the house. She
[1:03:10] Speaker 5: knew him while she was growing up, and so she
[1:03:13] Speaker 5: remembered him building this house, and I guess it was
[1:03:15] Speaker 5: like a big deal in our town when this house
[1:03:17] Speaker 5: was built back in the seventies. And then she informed
[1:03:20] Speaker 5: us that he actually took his own life in the
[1:03:23] Speaker 5: house in the eighties. So we were like, well, that's
[1:03:27] Speaker 5: a little creepy, but okay. And then after we moved in,
[1:03:31] Speaker 5: activity pretty much started. Like right away, we installed some
[1:03:35] Speaker 5: gates to keep the dogs on the first floor so
[1:03:38] Speaker 5: they couldn't go up to the second floor because we
[1:03:40] Speaker 5: hadn't replaced the flooring up there yet. And at night,
[1:03:43] Speaker 5: for the first few weeks after the gates were up,
[1:03:45] Speaker 5: it would sound like someone was holding onto the gates
[1:03:48] Speaker 5: and shaking them really violently because they were metal gates,
[1:03:52] Speaker 5: like they were trying to like take them down or something.
[1:03:54] Speaker 5: My sister was the first to hear it. She said
[1:03:56] Speaker 5: it sounded like a toddler holding onto the gate and
[1:03:58] Speaker 5: like throwing a tantrum. And it wasn't the dogs, because
[1:04:02] Speaker 5: the dogs slept upstairs with.
[1:04:03] Speaker 1: Me, and I mean it couldn't have been wind. I mean,
[1:04:06] Speaker 1: it was like there was no explanation.
[1:04:09] Speaker 5: It was just no no explanation for it.
[1:04:12] Speaker 1: It's the Colonel, I'm convinced already, but let's go.
[1:04:15] Speaker 5: Yeah. So, my older sister was living at home at
[1:04:19] Speaker 5: the time, and she regularly got home from work after
[1:04:21] Speaker 5: midnight when everyone was already in bed. So one night
[1:04:24] Speaker 5: she got home, went up to her room, she got
[1:04:26] Speaker 5: into bed, and she was laying down with her back
[1:04:29] Speaker 5: to the bedroom door, and then she heard the bedroom
[1:04:32] Speaker 5: door open. A little while later, and it's very distinct sound.
[1:04:36] Speaker 5: The doorknob squeaks, the door drags across the carpet, and
[1:04:39] Speaker 5: then she heard someone go, hey.
[1:04:41] Speaker 1: Okay, you genuinely just scared me.
[1:04:46] Speaker 5: Yeah, So she turned around and went what thinking it
[1:04:49] Speaker 5: was our mom and like, why are you up? And
[1:04:51] Speaker 5: no one was there, Colonel, I know that same sister.
[1:04:55] Speaker 5: She was also the one to the first one of
[1:04:58] Speaker 5: us to see an actual apparition in the house. She
[1:05:02] Speaker 5: and I were in the driveway and we were leaving
[1:05:05] Speaker 5: to go run errand and she looked over at our
[1:05:08] Speaker 5: garage and it's a three stall garage and all three
[1:05:10] Speaker 5: doors were open because it was a funny summer day.
[1:05:12] Speaker 5: My dad was cleaning, and she said Hey, Dad, we're
[1:05:16] Speaker 5: going to the store. Do you need anything? And I
[1:05:18] Speaker 5: looked over at the garage and I was like, no
[1:05:20] Speaker 5: one's there. Dad's not that's not even home. He just left.
[1:05:23] Speaker 5: And She's like, no, I just saw him in the garage.
[1:05:26] Speaker 5: And she swear she saw a man standing in our garage.
[1:05:29] Speaker 5: And the way she could only describe him was he
[1:05:31] Speaker 5: was wearing jeans, and that's why she thought it was
[1:05:33] Speaker 5: our dad.
[1:05:34] Speaker 3: But when I looked over, no one was there.
[1:05:38] Speaker 1: Were you guys the kind of people that believed in
[1:05:42] Speaker 1: goes when you moved in and heard all.
[1:05:44] Speaker 5: Those I always had. I think my parents were definitely skeptical,
[1:05:49] Speaker 5: because you know, they're religious, And but my mom started
[1:05:53] Speaker 5: having experiences too, so's she believes. My dad still thinks
[1:05:57] Speaker 5: we're awful of crap. He thinks it's not true, okay,
[1:06:00] Speaker 5: but all of us have had experiences, so we're definitely
[1:06:03] Speaker 5: believers now.
[1:06:04] Speaker 6: If we weren't before.
[1:06:06] Speaker 1: What else happened?
[1:06:07] Speaker 5: So my younger sister, she was home alone, and she
[1:06:11] Speaker 5: was sitting at our kitchen table, and that kitchen table
[1:06:13] Speaker 5: faces this sliding glass door, and it was dark out,
[1:06:17] Speaker 5: and she happened to look up and in the reflection
[1:06:20] Speaker 5: of the sliding glass door. She saw a man walk
[1:06:23] Speaker 5: behind her from our family room into our kitchen, and
[1:06:27] Speaker 5: she said she couldn't really make out what he looked
[1:06:29] Speaker 5: like or what he was wearing, but it was a
[1:06:31] Speaker 5: very distinct figure of a man, and she was the
[1:06:34] Speaker 5: only one at home at that time. One of the
[1:06:37] Speaker 5: craziest things that ever happened was my mom had a
[1:06:40] Speaker 5: watch go missing, and she couldn't find it for a week.
[1:06:42] Speaker 5: She looked everywhere for it, and then after a while,
[1:06:47] Speaker 5: she one day went into the kitchen cabinet where we
[1:06:51] Speaker 5: keep our coffee cups, and as you can imagine, that's
[1:06:53] Speaker 5: a cabinet that gets opened multiple times a day. People
[1:06:56] Speaker 5: are always in and out of that cabinet, and she
[1:06:59] Speaker 5: found the watch just sitting there, laying very neatly on
[1:07:02] Speaker 5: the edge of the kitchen cabinet, where anyone would see
[1:07:06] Speaker 5: it had they been in that cabinet at all in
[1:07:08] Speaker 5: the past three weeks that this watch i'd been missing.
[1:07:10] Speaker 1: Colonel, What are you doing, colonel?
[1:07:13] Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's not the first time we've had like
[1:07:15] Speaker 5: jewelry or accessories go missing.
[1:07:17] Speaker 3: You know.
[1:07:17] Speaker 5: I had a ring go missing, and then I found
[1:07:19] Speaker 5: it in a shoe in my closet. Just weird things
[1:07:22] Speaker 5: like that all used to happen all the time. That
[1:07:25] Speaker 5: doesn't happen so much anymore.
[1:07:28] Speaker 1: Oh, you guys still have this in the family.
[1:07:30] Speaker 5: Oh ros I'm in the house right now. I'm in
[1:07:35] Speaker 5: the basement of the house right now.
[1:07:40] Speaker 1: Okay, So what happens nowadays?
[1:07:45] Speaker 5: Well, so, I've been touched many times, usually just like
[1:07:49] Speaker 5: a light touch on my shoulder. But one time I
[1:07:53] Speaker 5: was laying in bed and it felt like a hand
[1:07:57] Speaker 5: wrapped around my ankle and pulled, and I actually slid
[1:08:00] Speaker 5: down the bed a little bit. And that freaked me
[1:08:03] Speaker 5: out so much, not because like I thought it was
[1:08:05] Speaker 5: a threatening move, but whoever's in the house, If it's
[1:08:08] Speaker 5: the colonel, I believe it's the colonel. He had never
[1:08:12] Speaker 5: done anything like that before, and I was like, is
[1:08:14] Speaker 5: he trying to warn me about something? And I actually
[1:08:16] Speaker 5: like got up and went and checked like our wood
[1:08:19] Speaker 5: stove to make sure nothing was like on fire, because
[1:08:21] Speaker 5: it was just such a weird event that had never
[1:08:23] Speaker 5: happened before.
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, what is his vibe?
[1:08:27] Speaker 3: You know, he's pretty chill.
[1:08:29] Speaker 5: Actually, We've never once felt threatened by him. I think
[1:08:34] Speaker 5: it's more about he just wants to be acknowledged, and
[1:08:37] Speaker 5: we've always kind of gotten the sense like he's really
[1:08:39] Speaker 5: grateful that a family was living in the house now
[1:08:43] Speaker 5: and not college students tearing it apart every weekend, and
[1:08:47] Speaker 5: that we that we actually like fixed up some of
[1:08:49] Speaker 5: the house. There's actually still projects to this day that
[1:08:52] Speaker 5: have to be done from damage to the house, but
[1:08:55] Speaker 5: we work on it little by little.
[1:08:57] Speaker 7: Well.
[1:08:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, and it'd be interesting to know if the college
[1:09:00] Speaker 1: students had these experiences, yeah, or you know, there's also
[1:09:06] Speaker 1: that common theory of once you start doing renovations, you
[1:09:10] Speaker 1: can wake up the spirits, right.
[1:09:13] Speaker 5: Yeah, So my sister actually knew the guys that had
[1:09:17] Speaker 5: been living in the house. Her friend was dating one
[1:09:19] Speaker 5: of him, and that's actually how we found out the
[1:09:22] Speaker 5: house was for sale, and they had told her they
[1:09:25] Speaker 5: had had some experiences. She never got any like definite stories,
[1:09:28] Speaker 5: but just like hearing things, because we hear footsteps all
[1:09:32] Speaker 5: the time in the house, like all the time coming
[1:09:35] Speaker 5: down the stairs, walking across the floor, like it's just
[1:09:38] Speaker 5: a constant thing in the house and we've kind of
[1:09:39] Speaker 5: gotten used to it.
[1:09:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, So you guys have been here for almost twenty
[1:09:44] Speaker 1: years at this point, Yeah, you just get used to it.
[1:09:48] Speaker 1: It's like no big deal, not a big deal.
[1:09:53] Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, Oh that's just colonel. Like this weekend,
[1:09:56] Speaker 5: we had opened up the double doors on the front
[1:09:58] Speaker 5: of the house because we were bringing a new oven in,
[1:10:01] Speaker 5: and we opened them up and then we had to
[1:10:03] Speaker 5: close them because we weren't going to do what we
[1:10:05] Speaker 5: were doing just yet. And then we went back to
[1:10:06] Speaker 5: open them again and we could only get one door
[1:10:08] Speaker 5: to open, and we were like, that's a little weird
[1:10:11] Speaker 5: because this one was just open, and we like played
[1:10:13] Speaker 5: around with it for a minute, and then we tried again.
[1:10:15] Speaker 5: It opened just fine, like nothing was wrong, and we
[1:10:17] Speaker 5: were like, oh, must have been the colonel. Like whenever
[1:10:20] Speaker 5: weird things like happen like that, we're like, oh, maybe
[1:10:22] Speaker 5: it was the colonel. Who knows, and we just kind
[1:10:24] Speaker 5: of move on with our day.
[1:10:26] Speaker 1: And this whole time, your dad claims that he has
[1:10:29] Speaker 1: never had experiences.
[1:10:31] Speaker 5: That's what he claims. He doesn't believe in any of this,
[1:10:34] Speaker 5: even with all of our stories. I'm like, I think
[1:10:37] Speaker 5: you're in denial.
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: I bet you if you gave him a couple of
[1:10:42] Speaker 1: pina coladas one night, he would tell you some stories.
[1:10:48] Speaker 5: Maybe maybe I should I should try that. You know.
[1:10:52] Speaker 5: One time we were sitting I was sitting in the
[1:10:54] Speaker 5: living room watching TV and we had an entertainment center
[1:10:57] Speaker 5: and the door to the entertainments that are started to
[1:11:00] Speaker 5: swing clothes, and I was just like annoyed and exasperated
[1:11:03] Speaker 5: that that was happening. So I just went Colonel, knock
[1:11:05] Speaker 5: it off, and the door swung back open. One of
[1:11:08] Speaker 5: my favorite stories because he was kind of like, oh,
[1:11:10] Speaker 5: sorry and just opened it back up again.
[1:11:13] Speaker 1: Gosh, I mean, yeah, it's so fascinating to me, like
[1:11:19] Speaker 1: just coexisting for all these years. What would you say?
[1:11:24] Speaker 1: I know, this is like an impossible thing to answer,
[1:11:27] Speaker 1: kind of, but like, are we talking once a day,
[1:11:30] Speaker 1: once a month? Like how often is the Colonel making
[1:11:34] Speaker 1: himself known?
[1:11:36] Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we'll go a really long stretch with
[1:11:39] Speaker 5: nothing really happening in the house. Maybe footsteps every now
[1:11:42] Speaker 5: and then, but even then like not a lot, and
[1:11:45] Speaker 5: then it's like all of a sudden, he's like, oh,
[1:11:46] Speaker 5: I'm back, and he starts doing things again. Like I
[1:11:50] Speaker 5: was fully prepared to get on this call and tell
[1:11:52] Speaker 5: you like, yeah, I haven't really had anything happen in
[1:11:54] Speaker 5: the last couple of weeks. He's been kind of quiet.
[1:11:56] Speaker 5: But just this past weekend, I was again I was
[1:11:59] Speaker 5: alone in the house, and I was standing in the
[1:12:03] Speaker 5: four yer the entrance way, and from the kitchen I
[1:12:06] Speaker 5: heard a man like clear his throat like and I
[1:12:09] Speaker 5: was like, oh, Dad, are you home? And no one,
[1:12:12] Speaker 5: no one was in the house.
[1:12:13] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[1:12:14] Speaker 5: He just likes to pop up every now and then
[1:12:16] Speaker 5: just remind us that he's here.
[1:12:18] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm like still shook that you are
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: like in the house right now. I think it's because
[1:12:29] Speaker 1: I bet I keep talking to people that are telling
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: me stories from like their past or whatever, and you're like, oh, no,
[1:12:35] Speaker 1: I'm actively with the colonel.
[1:12:38] Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm sitting right in the basement, you know,
[1:12:40] Speaker 5: in the house that he built. And I don't live
[1:12:43] Speaker 5: here anymore, but I regularly come here just to help
[1:12:46] Speaker 5: my parents with projects or anything like that. But it's
[1:12:49] Speaker 5: really just not uncommon to be sitting in the living
[1:12:51] Speaker 5: room and you know, here footsteps go across on the
[1:12:53] Speaker 5: second floor, or a cup gets knocked off in the
[1:12:56] Speaker 5: kitchen on the counter, and I always want to be like,
[1:12:59] Speaker 5: could you pick that up? Why are you knocking shit over?
[1:13:02] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[1:13:02] Speaker 5: But he never does. He doesn't clean.
[1:13:05] Speaker 1: I always wonder how much that kind of a thing is,
[1:13:09] Speaker 1: Like are they trying to get your attention or are
[1:13:14] Speaker 1: they trying to be koy or sly or whatever and
[1:13:18] Speaker 1: they accidentally bump into something and they're like ah shit
[1:13:21] Speaker 1: and then it falls over.
[1:13:23] Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes I think it's it's the second one. But
[1:13:27] Speaker 5: sometimes when things fall over, like it's just it can't
[1:13:30] Speaker 5: be an accident, you know. I think if he's trying
[1:13:33] Speaker 5: to get his attention, get our attention, just even just
[1:13:36] Speaker 5: just be like, hey, I'm here, Yeah, don't forget about me.
[1:13:40] Speaker 5: It's like, well, we couldn't forget about you if we tried, so.
[1:13:46] Speaker 1: Well, Casey, this is great. Thanks for sharing this.
[1:13:49] Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely.
[1:13:51] Speaker 1: Is there anything else you wanted to share? While I got.
[1:13:53] Speaker 5: Ya maybe the only other thing that ever happened to
[1:13:57] Speaker 5: me that I was really like, oh, that was so weird.
[1:14:00] Speaker 5: As I was standing in the doorway of my parents'
[1:14:03] Speaker 5: bedroom and I had my back to the bedroom and
[1:14:05] Speaker 5: I was looking out into the hallway behind me, I
[1:14:08] Speaker 5: heard like, oh, like a whistle, like hey, get out
[1:14:10] Speaker 5: of my way, and I'd like turned to the side,
[1:14:13] Speaker 5: thinking like oh, maybe my dad was in the bathroom,
[1:14:15] Speaker 5: and I didn't know it, but no one was there
[1:14:17] Speaker 5: behind me. The room was totally empty. That was one
[1:14:20] Speaker 5: that kind of like raised my hair a little bit, like, oh, Colonel,
[1:14:22] Speaker 5: that was creepy. Can you not do that please?
[1:14:25] Speaker 1: It's so crazy to me that he like can kind
[1:14:27] Speaker 1: of talk like, Yeah, it's so weird.
[1:14:32] Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. My sisters say they've heard like conversations
[1:14:35] Speaker 5: happening in other parts of the house and then they
[1:14:38] Speaker 5: go look and no one's there. It's just yeah, strange things,
[1:14:41] Speaker 5: but never threatening, never crazy scary.
[1:14:44] Speaker 1: I mean getting pulled by the ankle and bed that's well, yeah,
[1:14:51] Speaker 1: that's not something that I would consider I wouldn't consider
[1:14:54] Speaker 1: that relaxing.
[1:14:56] Speaker 5: Yeah, I can see how some people wouldn't like that.
[1:15:02] Speaker 1: All right, Well, Casey, if anything else crazy happens now
[1:15:06] Speaker 1: that you've talked about him on a podcast, you let
[1:15:10] Speaker 1: me know.
[1:15:10] Speaker 5: I will probably something will happen as sin as we
[1:15:13] Speaker 5: hang up, cause I've been talking about him.
[1:15:15] Speaker 3: All right.
[1:15:16] Speaker 1: Well, good luck with that. Thank you so much to John,
[1:15:22] Speaker 1: John Morgan and Casey.
[1:15:24] Speaker 3: Again.
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[1:17:17] Speaker 1: by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spooky Georgia Hard Start,
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