# George Civeris Believes in the Evil Eye

An episode of [Ghosted! by Roz Hernandez](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1450864418), 13 Oct 2025, 1 h 01 min.

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It’s spoOOoky oOookie season and Roz welcomes devilishly dashing comedian and host of United States of Kennedy, George Civeris! Amongst the swirling autumn leaves the two discuss the Kennedy “curse,” Etsy psychic soulmate portraits, and grousouzis—Greek for a person who brings bad luck! Want to share YOUR paranormal experience on the podcast? Email your *short* stories to GhostedByRoz@gmail.com and maybe Roz will read it out loud on the show... or even call you! Be sure to follow the show @GhostedByRoz on Instagram. Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3WwYCsr United States of Kennedy is an iHeartPodcast and is available on the iHeartRadio app, and anywhere you get your podcasts, every Monday. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:07] Speaker 1: What's that at bed? It's spooky and jooky. I'm really
[0:12] Speaker 1: sure it's dead. He's coming this way. Wait a minute,
[0:17] Speaker 1: I'm ghosted. I gos nandas police. Hey boo, it's me
[0:29] Speaker 1: Roz and welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast
[0:35] Speaker 1: where I talk to people that I like about the paranormal.
[0:41] Speaker 1: I got to talk to George Severis, who is a
[0:44] Speaker 1: hilarious comedian based in New York City, and he's great.
[0:49] Speaker 1: We've done We've done some stuff to while I was
[0:52] Speaker 1: on his other podcast that he's got called Stradio Lab.
[0:55] Speaker 1: But today we talked a little bit about a new
[0:57] Speaker 1: one he's got that is about the Kennedy family and
[1:02] Speaker 1: sort of breaking down some of their history and it
[1:05] Speaker 1: is called United States of Kennedy and so we will
[1:08] Speaker 1: get into that. We'll hear a little bit about some
[1:12] Speaker 1: Greek superstitions from George, and we've got some important stuff.
[1:18] Speaker 2: Oh.
[1:18] Speaker 1: This episode, I went to a couple of Etsy psychics
[1:24] Speaker 1: because I want to know what my soulmate's gonna look like,
[1:28] Speaker 1: and they drew them for me. So we're going to
[1:32] Speaker 1: talk about that. And don't you worry, I'm going to
[1:35] Speaker 1: put a clip with all the pictures and all of
[1:39] Speaker 1: that stuff on our Instagram, which is of course ghosted
[1:45] Speaker 1: by ros. All right, when I tell you, I've got
[1:50] Speaker 1: a very interesting inbox from my email, which is of
[1:54] Speaker 1: course ghosted by Rows at gmail dot com. So I
[2:00] Speaker 1: met these cute gentlemen of the gay persuasion at one
[2:06] Speaker 1: of my shows. It was in Minneapolis, beautiful, beautiful venue,
[2:12] Speaker 1: lush sold out show that you know that was an
[2:16] Speaker 1: interesting show because that was the only city I went
[2:19] Speaker 1: to where multiple different parties in the audience brought with
[2:25] Speaker 1: them their haunted dolls. Their actual haunted dolls were audience members. Fascinating,
[2:33] Speaker 1: fascinating town. So I may I meet at my meet
[2:36] Speaker 1: and greet this adorable gay couple. And the one says, oh,
[2:41] Speaker 1: I got to tell you about the time a ghost
[2:44] Speaker 1: watched me get my ass eight. And I said, you
[2:47] Speaker 1: know what, I've had a long day, I traveled, I
[2:51] Speaker 1: did my show. I'm selling my merch right now. Can
[2:55] Speaker 1: you please email me that? Well, sure enough I got
[2:58] Speaker 1: this email. This one came from Travis uh and the
[3:03] Speaker 1: subject line is dead Grandma watched me get my assay.
[3:06] Speaker 1: Travis writes, about two years ago from my boyfriend and
[3:10] Speaker 1: i's first year anniversary. He took me to his family's
[3:14] Speaker 1: lake house in Pepin, Wisconsin. Or is it Peepin'. I'm
[3:19] Speaker 1: not sure. I think it might have been peeping. The
[3:22] Speaker 1: way the story goes, this lake house was built by
[3:26] Speaker 1: his grandpa and grandma, and his grandma loved the house
[3:29] Speaker 1: so much that she said, quote, I never want to
[3:34] Speaker 1: live outside of this house. When the family forced her
[3:37] Speaker 1: to move into assisted living, she died that very same
[3:42] Speaker 1: day of natural causes. They wrote in parentheses, we love
[3:46] Speaker 1: a woman with strong boundaries. My boyfriend was obsessed with
[3:50] Speaker 1: his grandma and the whole way to I'm calling it peepin.
[3:56] Speaker 1: He kept telling me, quote, I wish you got to
[4:00] Speaker 1: meet her because she would have loved you. About two
[4:04] Speaker 1: hours later, my boyfriend and I start fooling around in
[4:08] Speaker 1: the living room. No one else was home, and you know,
[4:13] Speaker 1: I really appreciate Travis painting a picture for me, But
[4:17] Speaker 1: I'm gonna omit some of these, some of these. But
[4:21] Speaker 1: let's just say Travis was getting his life, okay. He
[4:25] Speaker 1: then writes, when all was said and done, Travis's boyfriend
[4:29] Speaker 1: gave me a tour of the house. There's a little
[4:32] Speaker 1: room off the hallway, which he said was his grandma's
[4:36] Speaker 1: favorite room because it was her sewing room. Well, later
[4:40] Speaker 1: that same night, I got up to p and the
[4:43] Speaker 1: bathroom directly looks down the hallway towards the sewing room.
[4:47] Speaker 1: I look up after I leave the bathroom, and I
[4:50] Speaker 1: see a figure standing at the end of the hall.
[4:54] Speaker 1: So I said, Rex, are you okay? That's Travis's boyfriend's name,
[5:00] Speaker 1: and the figure, who was staring at me so intensely,
[5:04] Speaker 1: just turned and walked into the sewing room. I ran
[5:08] Speaker 1: into the bedroom and woke my boyfriend up, and he
[5:11] Speaker 1: casually said, that's so sweet. My grandma got to finally
[5:16] Speaker 1: meet you. And I responded, she just watched me get
[5:20] Speaker 1: my whole eight and annihilated for over an hour. This
[5:24] Speaker 1: is not good. And then he goes, she's an ally
[5:30] Speaker 1: and he fell back asleep. And now the two of
[5:34] Speaker 1: them they've been together for years. I mean, this is
[5:38] Speaker 1: really this is really beautiful stuff here. Thank you to
[5:42] Speaker 1: Travis and Rex for that story. I really do appreciate
[5:45] Speaker 1: that if any of you listening have got a story similar,
[5:50] Speaker 1: please send it to me. I mean, I've done this
[5:54] Speaker 1: podcast since twenty eighteen, and that's the first time I've
[5:59] Speaker 1: gotten one like that, and I loved every second of it,
[6:04] Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you for that. Of course, it's
[6:07] Speaker 1: the fall. I'm working on getting you some new videos
[6:11] Speaker 1: of me ghost hunting in hotel rooms, so please go
[6:16] Speaker 1: check those out on my YouTube Roz Hernandez the Haunted Doll. Okay,
[6:25] Speaker 1: here is my conversation with comedian George Savers on with
[6:32] Speaker 1: the show Oh my record, I am currently looking over
[6:48] Speaker 1: zoom at the angelic George Severs.
[6:53] Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, finally we can Kiki.
[6:57] Speaker 1: You look beautiful and you've got so many books behind you.
[7:00] Speaker 2: I do you know what I actually have? I don't
[7:03] Speaker 2: know if you can tell. There's a blue light that's
[7:04] Speaker 2: coming over this side of my face.
[7:05] Speaker 1: Oh I can tell.
[7:07] Speaker 2: So there's construction happening outside my door. In fact, I
[7:10] Speaker 2: don't know if this was relayed to you or if
[7:11] Speaker 2: they were protecting the talent, but I almost canceled with
[7:15] Speaker 2: ten minutes to go today because the construction was happening
[7:19] Speaker 2: literally outside my window, Like the person was hanging outside
[7:24] Speaker 2: the height of my sixth floor apartment and literally banging
[7:28] Speaker 2: on the window and playing music out of a speaker.
[7:32] Speaker 2: But the point is they have put this blue tinted
[7:35] Speaker 2: plastic wrap over my window.
[7:37] Speaker 1: It's really working for you.
[7:39] Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's actually kind of like Blade Runner esque
[7:42] Speaker 2: or something. One of my one side of my face
[7:45] Speaker 2: is illuminated blue and the other one is almost is
[7:48] Speaker 2: red because I have a light turned on over there.
[7:51] Speaker 1: It's sort of that bisexual lighting.
[7:53] Speaker 2: It is a little bit of a bisexual lighting.
[7:55] Speaker 1: Yes, what's the deal you're Are you a history person?
[7:58] Speaker 1: Because I know you got this new podcast about the Kennedys.
[8:02] Speaker 2: That's right, So the Kennedy thing. So I'm hosting, a
[8:04] Speaker 2: co hosting a new podcast. It's called United States of
[8:07] Speaker 2: Kennedy and it's all about the Kennedy So each episode
[8:10] Speaker 2: is about a different element of the Kennedy story. Now,
[8:13] Speaker 2: to answer your question, I'm really not a history of person.
[8:16] Speaker 2: This was like a It sort of came to me
[8:19] Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't know anything about the Kennedy's,
[8:22] Speaker 2: but it sounds interesting. Lyra Smith, who's the other co host,
[8:25] Speaker 2: that was her passion project. She had have been developing
[8:27] Speaker 2: it for a year. They had all these research documents
[8:30] Speaker 2: and so every week I get to read this like
[8:33] Speaker 2: forty page research document about a different thing, and now
[8:37] Speaker 2: I know so much about American history. It's crazy.
[8:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, these Kennedy people, there's a lot of drama there,
[8:44] Speaker 1: now I know.
[8:45] Speaker 2: Well, So I've always been like, what is at the
[8:47] Speaker 2: root of everyone's obsession with the Kennedys, Like it's not
[8:51] Speaker 2: something that naturally I gravitated towards. And now doing this
[8:55] Speaker 2: for a few months, I'm like kind of obsessed in
[8:57] Speaker 2: a way that I did not expect.
[8:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we definitely. Now, I just got to ask,
[9:04] Speaker 1: what are your thoughts when people talk about the curse?
[9:07] Speaker 2: I know, and I knew this would come up because
[9:10] Speaker 2: of course that is the paranormal connection. So here are
[9:13] Speaker 2: my thoughts about the curse. So for anyone who doesn't know,
[9:16] Speaker 2: there's this idea that there's a curse hanging over the
[9:18] Speaker 2: Kennedy family, and a lot of Kennedy's have died young.
[9:21] Speaker 2: A lot of Kennedy's have died in very tragic circumstances.
[9:24] Speaker 2: There have been a lot of plane crashes, car crashes,
[9:29] Speaker 2: and then more sort of traditional things you might expect
[9:32] Speaker 2: in an Irish family from Massachusetts, by which I do
[9:37] Speaker 2: mean alcoholism, and so there is a lot happening. Obviously
[9:42] Speaker 2: JFK was assassinated. Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. JFK Jr. And
[9:47] Speaker 2: his wife, Carolyn Bessett died in a plane crash. Joe
[9:51] Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior, who was supposed to be the one that
[9:54] Speaker 2: the father wanted to be president, died during the war,
[9:57] Speaker 2: and so there's always been this idea of a Kenny curse.
[10:01] Speaker 2: Here's two interesting things about it.
[10:03] Speaker 1: Okay.
[10:04] Speaker 2: Do you know when the first time Kennedy mentioned the
[10:10] Speaker 2: curse was?
[10:11] Speaker 1: Oh, I don't even know about them talking about it
[10:13] Speaker 1: at all.
[10:14] Speaker 2: Okay. So does the idea of chap Equittic ring any
[10:18] Speaker 2: bells for you?
[10:20] Speaker 1: Yes? I actually have watched a documentary or two about them.
[10:23] Speaker 2: Okay. So if for anyone who doesn't know Ted Kennedy,
[10:26] Speaker 2: who is in fact still alive. He was one of
[10:29] Speaker 2: JFK's siblings. At one point when he was younger, accidentally
[10:35] Speaker 2: drove a car off of a bridge in chap Equittic,
[10:38] Speaker 2: which is an island in Massachusetts, and a woman that
[10:43] Speaker 2: was in the passenger seat died as a result of that.
[10:45] Speaker 2: So he survived. He basically fled the scene of the crime.
[10:49] Speaker 2: He did not report it to the police immediately until
[10:51] Speaker 2: like the morning after and the woman that was in
[10:54] Speaker 2: the passenger seat, who was someone who was kind of
[10:57] Speaker 2: in the Kennedy orbit. She used to work for Bobby.
[10:59] Speaker 2: They were coming from a party. She died, and so
[11:04] Speaker 2: that was an instance where Kennedy was directly responsible for
[11:07] Speaker 2: someone else's death, whether or not it was an accident.
[11:10] Speaker 2: But in the press conference, Ted was like, you know,
[11:14] Speaker 2: sometimes I do wonder if a curse hangs over our family.
[11:17] Speaker 2: And the reason that's sort of manipulative is that he's
[11:20] Speaker 2: using the idea that the a curse hangs over the
[11:23] Speaker 2: Kennedy family to justify something where he is clearly at fault, you.
[11:27] Speaker 1: Know what I mean, got it?
[11:29] Speaker 2: So he's sort of like weaponizing this idea of the curse.
[11:32] Speaker 2: So that's one thing, And then the other thing I
[11:34] Speaker 2: would say about the curse is like it definitely is
[11:37] Speaker 2: tempting to view it that way, and surely every generation
[11:42] Speaker 2: there's something tragic that happens. I mean, you mentioned RFK Junior.
[11:46] Speaker 2: His previous wife actually committed suicide, and so that was
[11:50] Speaker 2: seen as part of the Kennedy curse. But I think
[11:54] Speaker 2: that especially with the sort of earlier Kennedy's something people
[11:58] Speaker 2: don't talk about is that a lot of the behavi
[12:00] Speaker 2: was like reckless on their part. Like they would be
[12:04] Speaker 2: told the conditions for flying a plane are bad and
[12:07] Speaker 2: you should not do it, and they'd be like, but
[12:09] Speaker 2: we're doing it, got it?
[12:12] Speaker 1: Got it?
[12:13] Speaker 2: Or they would be like driving a car intoxicated.
[12:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you can call that a curse.
[12:20] Speaker 2: So that's what's That's what's sort of interesting about it
[12:23] Speaker 2: is that at first these things seem like freak accidents,
[12:27] Speaker 2: and then when you start digging deeper, you're like, okay,
[12:29] Speaker 2: So maybe what people see as like the Kennedy courage
[12:33] Speaker 2: and ambition is more of just like they think they
[12:36] Speaker 2: think they can do anything.
[12:39] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[12:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes that comes back to bite them in the butt.
[12:42] Speaker 1: So when people say it's a curse, I want to
[12:45] Speaker 1: tell them, girl, you better chap acquit it.
[12:50] Speaker 2: I know that that's not what your audience wants to hear. Now,
[12:52] Speaker 2: I'm like, I've disappointed everyone.
[12:53] Speaker 1: No, I think this is good. We like someone to
[12:58] Speaker 1: come on here and give us the fact that's what
[13:00] Speaker 1: we're want to looking for.
[13:02] Speaker 2: I'm torn between and when we talk about non Kennedy stuff,
[13:05] Speaker 2: I will get I will get crazy, and I will
[13:07] Speaker 2: get reckless in my theorizing. But I'm torn between, you know,
[13:11] Speaker 2: attempting to promote like a sort of a pop culture
[13:14] Speaker 2: history podcast where we're forced to really stick to the
[13:17] Speaker 2: facts as they appear on the ground, and wanting to
[13:20] Speaker 2: really go off the rails with you.
[13:24] Speaker 1: Listen, this is what this podcast is. It's sort of
[13:27] Speaker 1: a forum where I'm like, here's the things that people
[13:31] Speaker 1: are saying, here's what has been reported. You do with
[13:36] Speaker 1: that as you will. And I think some people get'll
[13:40] Speaker 1: get like, well, that sounds like a curse to me.
[13:43] Speaker 1: And then there's other people that are like, oh, if
[13:44] Speaker 1: you look at it that way, that's, you know, a
[13:46] Speaker 1: good point, and you know what, everyone's welcome. Well, I
[13:51] Speaker 1: don't know if I want to welcome everyone.
[13:53] Speaker 2: But that's what's interesting about having to read these research
[13:57] Speaker 2: briefings every week is that all these things from God,
[14:00] Speaker 2: what a crazy coincidence, Then you actually read what happened,
[14:02] Speaker 2: You're like, okay, got it. So it wasn't a coincidence. Yeah,
[14:05] Speaker 2: so there's actually historical context to everything. So in fact,
[14:08] Speaker 2: the mob was after Bobby Kennedy and then he died.
[14:14] Speaker 2: That's interesting. M H.
[14:16] Speaker 1: I know, I I often think about how I miss
[14:19] Speaker 1: when like conspiracy theories were fun.
[14:22] Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, And in fact, I would say the Kennedys
[14:24] Speaker 2: are a great ground for conspiracy theories.
[14:27] Speaker 1: Well, and the Marilyn Monroe conspiracy theory with them.
[14:31] Speaker 2: The Marilyn Monroe of at all the conspiracies around JFK's assassination. Yes,
[14:37] Speaker 2: I was just hearing someone talk about the mafia connections
[14:42] Speaker 2: with the JFK assassination, and you know, you start out
[14:45] Speaker 2: being like, I'm not going to fall for any of this,
[14:47] Speaker 2: Like I'm not going to believe some story that some
[14:50] Speaker 2: crackpot is telling me, and then you start to get
[14:51] Speaker 2: into it and you're like, okay, well that sounds pretty
[14:53] Speaker 2: pretty real.
[14:55] Speaker 1: Listen the moon landing. I've always I've always been like, yeah, whatever,
[15:02] Speaker 1: like I don't I don't care. I learned about it
[15:05] Speaker 1: at school. It's cool whatever. I the algorithm said we
[15:13] Speaker 1: got something for you today, And I was on TikTok
[15:16] Speaker 1: one day and I was like, what is those? Six
[15:21] Speaker 1: hours later, I've got you know, the red yarn on
[15:25] Speaker 1: the wall, and I'm connecting the dots and I'm like,
[15:28] Speaker 1: we didn't go because of this? And I start calling
[15:31] Speaker 1: friends and I'm like, do you know about the press
[15:35] Speaker 1: conference that they gave after and this thing and that thing,
[15:39] Speaker 1: and it's all kind of come back to I don't know.
[15:44] Speaker 1: I actually I would think that we did go, but
[15:47] Speaker 1: I don't know. What do you think about just ghosts
[15:54] Speaker 1: and stuff like that?
[15:56] Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking about this because I wanted
[15:59] Speaker 2: to come in with a really good story. And my
[16:02] Speaker 2: relationship to the paranormal is not so much ghost based
[16:05] Speaker 2: or alien based.
[16:07] Speaker 1: Okay.
[16:08] Speaker 2: I grew up in a Greek family. I was partially
[16:10] Speaker 2: raised by my grandmother, especially when I was very young.
[16:15] Speaker 2: Didn't you grow up in Yes, I mostly grow up
[16:18] Speaker 2: in grace. Also, if my mom was listening, she did
[16:19] Speaker 2: fully raise me. But I just mean, like my grandmother
[16:21] Speaker 2: was in the picture. I don't want to erase her
[16:23] Speaker 2: and be like I was raised by my grandma. I
[16:26] Speaker 2: was raised by my mother, but also I was often
[16:29] Speaker 2: for many hours or days at a time at my
[16:31] Speaker 2: grandmother's house, So she was important in my in my
[16:34] Speaker 2: wearing is all I'm saying. And all of this is
[16:37] Speaker 2: to say, I was really raised to believe in the
[16:39] Speaker 2: evil eye. Is that something that was in your life
[16:42] Speaker 2: at all?
[16:44] Speaker 1: Yes?
[16:45] Speaker 2: So that was That's like my when I think of
[16:48] Speaker 2: when I think of like the paranormal sort of anxieties
[16:53] Speaker 2: that were instilled into me. It was never about ghosts.
[16:55] Speaker 2: It was never about people communicating from the dead or
[16:57] Speaker 2: aliens or anything like that. But it was all always
[17:00] Speaker 2: like uh oh, Slowly it would become apparent that some
[17:04] Speaker 2: location or some person brought bad luck so they are
[17:07] Speaker 2: to be avoided, or another thing, like a huge thing
[17:11] Speaker 2: with the evil eye is like to say something is
[17:14] Speaker 2: to invite it. Like to say something bad is to
[17:16] Speaker 2: invite it. And to say something good or to brag
[17:20] Speaker 2: about your own fortune or whatever is to risk it
[17:23] Speaker 2: being taken away from you. Even like let's say everyone
[17:26] Speaker 2: is gathered together and everyone is having an amazing time,
[17:29] Speaker 2: I would hesitate before being like, isn't it so nice
[17:32] Speaker 2: that we're all together? Because as soon as I say that,
[17:34] Speaker 2: I'm inviting the evil eye?
[17:36] Speaker 1: Really yes, Now, what about when you have to plug
[17:39] Speaker 1: a podcast that you're doing well.
[17:42] Speaker 2: That's honestly why I inherently struggle with the career path
[17:49] Speaker 2: that I have in fact chosen for myself.
[17:51] Speaker 1: Fascinating. Now, how do you get rid of the evil eye?
[17:55] Speaker 2: That's a great question, and I honestly don't know the answer.
[17:58] Speaker 2: Other than seeking some sort of natural balance. So it's
[18:01] Speaker 2: like with what you're saying, which is like self promotion,
[18:04] Speaker 2: I feel bad when I'm self promoting. So I'm like, okay, great,
[18:07] Speaker 2: as much as I can build in a month long
[18:09] Speaker 2: period when I'm not doing it, maybe it'll balance out. Okay. Yeah,
[18:13] Speaker 2: So that's sort of how I feel about it.
[18:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's so many different cultures that believe
[18:20] Speaker 1: in the evil eye. And yes, like Mexican people have
[18:26] Speaker 1: different ways with like you rub them an egg on
[18:30] Speaker 1: you and you know, cleanse yourself of the evil eye.
[18:35] Speaker 1: And then of course there's the little.
[18:38] Speaker 2: Blue Yes, the little blue eye.
[18:40] Speaker 1: That's Turkish, right.
[18:41] Speaker 2: So it is you know, as with a lot of
[18:43] Speaker 2: these things, and this goes for food, this goes for
[18:46] Speaker 2: other traditions. I'm sure many of the traditions I grew
[18:49] Speaker 2: up with are Turkish, but I thought they were Greek
[18:52] Speaker 2: because they were passed down to Greek people when Greece
[18:55] Speaker 2: was under Turkish rule. So I have no idea how
[18:58] Speaker 2: to separate, like what's Turkey, what's Greek?
[19:00] Speaker 1: Got it?
[19:01] Speaker 2: I mean? In fact, look, I'm.
[19:04] Speaker 1: I love them nasar is that what it's called nas
[19:08] Speaker 1: nasa In Turkish.
[19:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean in Greek it's called mati m
[19:12] Speaker 2: a t i, which literally means I, but you'll catch
[19:16] Speaker 2: the Mati means you've caught the evil eye and that's bad.
[19:20] Speaker 1: You very get yourself a bracelet, literally get yourself, get
[19:23] Speaker 1: yourself a cute one. Yeah. I got a lot of those,
[19:27] Speaker 1: and I have one that I take with me when
[19:30] Speaker 1: I go to these haunted places along with every other,
[19:34] Speaker 1: like you know, this crystal and this Jesus and you know,
[19:39] Speaker 1: all these things will keep keep me safe. What possibly?
[19:43] Speaker 2: Okay?
[19:44] Speaker 1: I love it the Greek perspective, which we haven't necessarily
[19:48] Speaker 1: had much of on this. Yeah. Yeah. So would you say,
[19:54] Speaker 1: are you superstitious? I mean that's.
[19:56] Speaker 2: Super I think it's superstition. And it's like I I
[20:00] Speaker 2: grew up with very otherwise rational parents. Like both my
[20:04] Speaker 2: parents studied engineering. They are math and science people. I
[20:08] Speaker 2: was always told, like, if you go to college, you
[20:11] Speaker 2: need to study the sciences, you need to study math,
[20:14] Speaker 2: Like it was very much. That was also their way.
[20:17] Speaker 2: That was like their American dream. That was their way
[20:20] Speaker 2: towards a more kind of you know, in their eyes,
[20:24] Speaker 2: for fulfilling life. And that's how they were able to
[20:27] Speaker 2: give us a better life. It was like getting their
[20:29] Speaker 2: PhDs and engineering and then like you know, working with numbers.
[20:32] Speaker 2: So in all other respects they were completely rational. But
[20:36] Speaker 2: then my dad would be like, I can't buy apple
[20:40] Speaker 2: products because they bring bad luck. I have to use
[20:42] Speaker 2: this briefcase when I go to work, even though it's
[20:44] Speaker 2: completely torn up and the folder is like going through
[20:48] Speaker 2: the bottom, because it brings good luck. Another thing he
[20:51] Speaker 2: had is that for a while he couldn't read The
[20:53] Speaker 2: New Yorker, the magazine because it brought bad luck to him.
[20:56] Speaker 2: And then my mom was similar, like I remember one
[20:58] Speaker 2: time we were like walking on the street and I
[21:01] Speaker 2: was waiting to hear back for like the results of
[21:04] Speaker 2: a test or something like that, and I said something like, god,
[21:07] Speaker 2: what if it's you know, what if I get an
[21:09] Speaker 2: f for like what if it's bad? And she like
[21:11] Speaker 2: really like grabbed me by the wrist and was like,
[21:13] Speaker 2: don't say that because then it'll happen. So I think
[21:16] Speaker 2: the fact that in all other ways my parents were
[21:18] Speaker 2: super rational, and this was the one thing made me
[21:22] Speaker 2: almost believe in it more because I was like, well,
[21:24] Speaker 2: if they're saying it, and I think they're you know,
[21:26] Speaker 2: I trust them. I thin they're right about everything. I
[21:27] Speaker 2: think they're really smart. Then it must be how it works.
[21:30] Speaker 1: I mean lesson, I'm no scientists. Oh interesting, and it's
[21:37] Speaker 1: about time I settled that rumor. I don't know nothing
[21:40] Speaker 1: about nothing, but I believe there's been lots of scientific
[21:46] Speaker 1: study into manifesting and bringing things into existence, and our
[21:52] Speaker 1: thoughts are actual objects that attract and so I don't know.
[21:57] Speaker 1: You know, That's why I've been selling bumper stickers at
[22:01] Speaker 1: my live shows that say ros Hernetta should be more famous.
[22:04] Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, here you go. Maybe if I if
[22:08] Speaker 1: I talk about getting an f and that happens, then
[22:12] Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about getting another kind of app
[22:17] Speaker 1: see if that happens. Speaking of are you familiar with
[22:20] Speaker 1: the world of Etsy Witches.
[22:23] Speaker 2: Well now I am because of Yeah, well the news.
[22:28] Speaker 1: That has been talked about. Yes, yes, that's true. So
[22:32] Speaker 1: Etsy witches have been really blowing up the past few years, okay,
[22:40] Speaker 1: and people have been going to them for love spells
[22:45] Speaker 1: and curses and whatever. I have not done that. I did, however, recently,
[22:53] Speaker 1: go to an Etsy psychic.
[22:55] Speaker 2: Okay.
[22:56] Speaker 1: So we covered a story on this podcast a few
[22:59] Speaker 1: months back about a woman that went to an Etsy psychic.
[23:05] Speaker 1: This psychic can draw what your future husband's going to
[23:08] Speaker 1: look like. Okay, the woman met the guy from the
[23:13] Speaker 1: picture and married him. She found him. It was like,
[23:16] Speaker 1: I don't know how it happened whatever. So then I
[23:19] Speaker 1: was checking through my email. I get an email from
[23:22] Speaker 1: that woman, the woman that met the husband, and she's like, hey,
[23:27] Speaker 1: I heard you talk about on the podcast. Thank you.
[23:30] Speaker 1: Here's the Etsy psychic I went to, which, by the way,
[23:34] Speaker 1: I'm realizing as I'm saying this, I don't think I
[23:36] Speaker 1: ever replied thank you. Okay, So I go to this,
[23:41] Speaker 1: to this Etsy psychic, and I already know people are
[23:45] Speaker 1: going to ask me to drop the link or whatever.
[23:48] Speaker 1: Let me find the husband first, Okay, before I start,
[23:52] Speaker 1: I'm not putting my name on anyone's services. So then
[23:55] Speaker 1: I had this idea, made the best Etsy psychic win.
[24:00] Speaker 2: Huh.
[24:00] Speaker 1: I end up going to four of them. I'm like,
[24:02] Speaker 1: let's see, let's see what they cook up. So I
[24:06] Speaker 1: wanted to show you what I got. I'm not going
[24:10] Speaker 1: to say which one was the one that the lady did,
[24:14] Speaker 1: because that one's proven. These other ones I don't know. Geeha,
[24:18] Speaker 1: can you show us just any of these stand by.
[24:22] Speaker 2: Oh, okay, here's the thing. So this is and this
[24:25] Speaker 2: is for you, this is for me, this this is
[24:28] Speaker 2: the man you will marry. You know.
[24:31] Speaker 1: I think it's just my soulmate drawing.
[24:34] Speaker 2: Okay, is what it is.
[24:36] Speaker 1: So who knows if we'll actually get legal with it.
[24:39] Speaker 1: But they are all white men, which I found interesting.
[24:43] Speaker 1: I don't know why they chose that.
[24:45] Speaker 2: So the first one definitely seems white to me. Is
[24:48] Speaker 2: number four definitely white.
[24:50] Speaker 1: You know, he does kind of have a Mediterranean thing
[24:52] Speaker 1: going on.
[24:53] Speaker 2: Maybe I'm trying to think or potentially even like you
[24:59] Speaker 2: could you know, or even like half Asian. Yeah, I
[25:05] Speaker 2: mean the other ones are really straight from the Mayflower.
[25:07] Speaker 1: Yes, this number four is he's really struggling with the
[25:13] Speaker 1: facial hair.
[25:15] Speaker 2: Yes.
[25:16] Speaker 1: And it's interesting because these artists psychics, they've got different techniques.
[25:20] Speaker 1: And this one is definitely a more digital kind of painting.
[25:26] Speaker 2: It's very iPad art.
[25:27] Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, this is He's cute. I'm okay with this one.
[25:34] Speaker 2: I'm seeing you know, two through four all have a
[25:37] Speaker 2: real full head of hair, like they have really great hair.
[25:40] Speaker 1: Go to number three, jieha. This is just the hottest one.
[25:45] Speaker 1: I mean This is like a movie star, this guy,
[25:48] Speaker 1: and he looks like he's been working in the coal
[25:51] Speaker 1: mines all day long. He looks tired and in a
[25:56] Speaker 1: hot way, which I appreciate. They put a lot of
[26:00] Speaker 1: detail into this one.
[26:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really impressive to me, I think. And
[26:05] Speaker 2: I'm not saying this in any way to stigmatize hair
[26:08] Speaker 2: loss at all. I just mean, factually speaking, number one
[26:12] Speaker 2: has a receding hairline, even just a little bit, whereas
[26:16] Speaker 2: two through four don't. I mean that could also mean
[26:18] Speaker 2: that they might all be depending the same person, just
[26:22] Speaker 2: with at different stages of their life. Like maybe he
[26:25] Speaker 2: had a full head of hair and then the hairline
[26:27] Speaker 2: started receding.
[26:28] Speaker 1: Well, go to number two, jiha, And this is a
[26:30] Speaker 1: jump scare. Okay, this one actually went to Turkey, if
[26:35] Speaker 1: you know what I mean. No, for sure, and maybe
[26:38] Speaker 1: he got an evil eye bracelet and maybe a little
[26:40] Speaker 1: bit more.
[26:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe he got such good luck from the
[26:44] Speaker 2: evil eye bracelet in Turkey that the hair grew back.
[26:48] Speaker 1: Yeah that's that hair is too there's too much hair
[26:51] Speaker 1: going on there. And I'm not going to lie this
[26:53] Speaker 1: one based on the style that the person did. I mean,
[26:58] Speaker 1: wonderful beautiful artists, but also this is crime crime drawing. Yes,
[27:06] Speaker 1: this is this is the man that was outside the
[27:10] Speaker 1: grocery store that exposed himself. That's what this man is giving. Uh,
[27:17] Speaker 1: I'm terrified.
[27:18] Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, there's also even a he looks both old
[27:22] Speaker 2: and young like there's he almost could be just like
[27:25] Speaker 2: a teenager with weird hair.
[27:27] Speaker 1: Gee hot, this is We are doing a horror podcast
[27:31] Speaker 1: in a way, but can you please get this off
[27:33] Speaker 1: of the screen. I'm really scared.
[27:34] Speaker 2: Oh it's funny because I wanted to make you do.
[27:37] Speaker 2: I was trying to think what the fourth thing could
[27:38] Speaker 2: be if it's fucked Mary Kill and then.
[27:41] Speaker 1: Put it No, put them all back up. I just
[27:43] Speaker 1: mean get him off of the screen.
[27:44] Speaker 2: Please let me see fuck Mary Kill.
[27:47] Speaker 1: I can tell you what I won't be doing with
[27:49] Speaker 1: number two is kissing those lips. Ever, now here's gonna
[27:53] Speaker 1: be the funny clip. This is what we're gonna play
[27:55] Speaker 1: at our wedding because this this exact man. He's probably
[27:59] Speaker 1: I bet you he's way better. You know, some people
[28:01] Speaker 1: aren't his cute and drawings, so maybe he's better looking
[28:05] Speaker 1: in person. And we're gonna laugh about this one day.
[28:08] Speaker 1: But currently this man gives me the he be gbis.
[28:11] Speaker 2: Let's do fuck Mary kill go into business with Oh.
[28:15] Speaker 1: I was gonna say, talk about conspiracy theories about the
[28:18] Speaker 1: Kennedys with Okay, So number one I would go to
[28:23] Speaker 1: business with him. I agree, he definitely he has a
[28:28] Speaker 1: four oh one K. Yes, he seems like your traditional responsible,
[28:34] Speaker 1: heterosexual white man. He looks way too straight for me,
[28:39] Speaker 1: which I'm not really into. I like a little you know,
[28:43] Speaker 1: a little pep in the step. He looks like he
[28:46] Speaker 1: would use the word buddies, you know, like I'm gonna
[28:50] Speaker 1: go hang out with my buddies from college tonight. They're
[28:53] Speaker 1: in town. We're going to the Buffalo Wild Wings. I
[28:57] Speaker 1: don't like that. So I'm going to say business for him.
[28:59] Speaker 2: Yeah. And he's you know, obviously he's good with money,
[29:02] Speaker 2: but I wouldn't say he's like CEO level, like I
[29:05] Speaker 2: think he's going to rise up to maybe a VP,
[29:07] Speaker 2: like a VP of accounting.
[29:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's nice, that's wonderful, and I'll see it
[29:13] Speaker 1: in the boardroom. Number two is kill. I have to agree,
[29:18] Speaker 1: jiha stop, I'm scared. Now go to number three. That
[29:22] Speaker 1: is marriage material right there, because again, this man to
[29:29] Speaker 1: me looks like he is a hard working man. He well,
[29:35] Speaker 1: this is tough.
[29:35] Speaker 2: Because he also kind of looks like a playwright.
[29:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, and as I'm looking at him, it looks like
[29:43] Speaker 1: the playwriting's not going well for him.
[29:45] Speaker 2: That's what I mean. It's like he's like a hipster
[29:47] Speaker 2: who wears work wear, or like who wears a blazer.
[29:51] Speaker 2: It's it's a costume. It's not it's not authentic to him,
[29:54] Speaker 2: Like this is not he doesn't need to actually dress
[29:56] Speaker 2: like this.
[29:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, you're making me rethink this because I'm looking looking
[30:00] Speaker 1: at his eyes, and this man has heard no from
[30:04] Speaker 1: every theater company.
[30:07] Speaker 2: And you know what else I think he like is
[30:11] Speaker 2: going around and he's like going to everyone's openings and
[30:14] Speaker 2: he's being supportive. But then he's like going online and
[30:17] Speaker 2: he has an alt account and he's like commenting really
[30:20] Speaker 2: hateful things in an article about a new female playwright.
[30:23] Speaker 1: Oh there's nothing worse. Yeah that's bad. Yeah, but I'd
[30:28] Speaker 1: fuck him. Number four. I guess he's the one.
[30:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the one. He does. You know, I can't
[30:36] Speaker 2: tell if he looks like a gamer just because of
[30:37] Speaker 2: the way he's drawn, or if he actually looks like
[30:40] Speaker 2: a gamer. You know what I mean.
[30:42] Speaker 1: Yes, which is not hot to me in my opinion,
[30:47] Speaker 1: but you know, it's very common these days, and I
[30:49] Speaker 1: think gaming, much like open relationships, is something that I
[30:56] Speaker 1: just have to accept a lot of people are into. Yes,
[31:00] Speaker 1: let me just tell you this one. There is a
[31:03] Speaker 1: prediction timeline that was given to me. Okay, it says, ultimately,
[31:08] Speaker 1: when it comes to my timeline predictions and when you
[31:12] Speaker 1: two will meet, I like to disclose the fact that
[31:14] Speaker 1: the future is ever changing, so in result of such,
[31:18] Speaker 1: the timeline can shift slightly due to divine timing. However,
[31:24] Speaker 1: that being said, I do see you too coming into
[31:26] Speaker 1: each other's lives in the span of eleven to fourteen months,
[31:31] Speaker 1: and this will make for a beautiful and happy union
[31:33] Speaker 1: long term. I wish you strength and clarity upon this journey. Now,
[31:40] Speaker 1: all of these, by the way, come with documents. Okay,
[31:46] Speaker 1: you're talking about your research documents that you have for
[31:49] Speaker 1: your podcast. I got files now that these ladies sent me,
[31:54] Speaker 1: which makes me think it's copy and pasted and they've
[31:58] Speaker 1: written this before or it's AI. I'm not sure, but
[32:02] Speaker 1: some of these go into the things that these men enjoy,
[32:06] Speaker 1: what kind of personality they are, what their career is
[32:10] Speaker 1: all of this stuff.
[32:11] Speaker 2: And so which one seems we've now judged them based
[32:15] Speaker 2: on their physical appearance, which is, as we know, the
[32:17] Speaker 2: most important thing. But which one are you more drawn
[32:20] Speaker 2: to in terms of personality and stuff.
[32:24] Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, it's almost like reading tinder profiles.
[32:29] Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily see anything that stood out to me
[32:33] Speaker 1: because here's the thing. They ask you, what's your gender?
[32:36] Speaker 1: How old are you? So they have that to work
[32:39] Speaker 1: off of, And so they didn't say anything that was
[32:43] Speaker 1: like he's a cheater, Like they didn't say anything like that.
[32:46] Speaker 1: You know, it was all like he's got friends, and
[32:50] Speaker 1: he's compassionate and you know, loves his passions. Like, okay,
[32:57] Speaker 1: that could be any of these guys. I don't necessarily know.
[33:02] Speaker 1: I also got a little bit bored reading them. Let
[33:05] Speaker 1: me tell you something. I encountered an astrologer, and this
[33:09] Speaker 1: astrologer was like, let me do your chart. And I
[33:12] Speaker 1: was like, I just got one question. When am I
[33:14] Speaker 1: going to be famous? And he said September eleventh, twenty
[33:19] Speaker 1: twenty five. This was like a month ago, a month
[33:24] Speaker 1: before then. I was like, that's really soon. I got
[33:27] Speaker 1: to start making plans I call a meeting with my manager.
[33:30] Speaker 1: I'm like, just so you know, it's all going to
[33:34] Speaker 1: pop off for me a September eleventh, twenty twenty five.
[33:39] Speaker 1: So the whole day I'm like, Okay, well shit, it's
[33:41] Speaker 1: three pm. That means it's six in New York. I
[33:46] Speaker 1: haven't really heard that I'm famous yet nothing happened now,
[33:52] Speaker 1: who knows, maybe somehow somewhere I don't know, But all
[33:57] Speaker 1: of this kind of stuff, I'm like, listen, I want
[33:59] Speaker 1: to be a believer. Let's prove it. So here is
[34:05] Speaker 1: Here is the predictions. And I also would like this
[34:09] Speaker 1: to be a man hunt. If any of you know
[34:12] Speaker 1: these men, particularly number four or three, send them my way.
[34:20] Speaker 2: I have a conspiracy theory.
[34:21] Speaker 1: Thank god.
[34:23] Speaker 2: So you're not gonna like this, Okay, here's what I think.
[34:26] Speaker 2: I think the fact that number three is so well
[34:29] Speaker 2: drawn means that it is not personalized to you. I
[34:34] Speaker 2: feel like this woman is giving this drawing edge to
[34:37] Speaker 2: multiple people. I don't think she's sitting down and doing
[34:40] Speaker 2: such a detailed sketch, whereas I actually think the other ones.
[34:43] Speaker 2: You know, they're simpler, but that's because those women are
[34:47] Speaker 2: putting in the time to do one for every client,
[34:51] Speaker 2: I have this inkling and I really that's how I feel.
[34:56] Speaker 2: How does that make you feel?
[34:58] Speaker 1: I think you don't believe a true love? Yes, I
[35:03] Speaker 1: can certainly see that being the case. Let me just
[35:07] Speaker 1: look because I'm curious. How much did I even spend
[35:09] Speaker 1: on these This was a couple of months ago. Here's
[35:12] Speaker 1: what I'll say. Number four took way longer than the
[35:18] Speaker 1: timeline that I was given to expect for these pictures
[35:22] Speaker 1: to be drawn. And let me tell you, some of
[35:24] Speaker 1: the best psychics I ever met not great with timing
[35:28] Speaker 1: and showing up and oh there was always something going on.
[35:32] Speaker 2: To me, it's it would be so suspicious if they
[35:34] Speaker 2: were good about timing. That means they're like business people.
[35:37] Speaker 2: It's like they're meant to be mediums, like they're meant
[35:39] Speaker 2: to kind of exist slightly outside of time and place.
[35:43] Speaker 1: So I'm looking at these prices. Oh god, I'm trying
[35:51] Speaker 1: to figure out which one is which. So the one
[35:56] Speaker 1: that is giving me nightmares, that was discount Diva. That
[36:02] Speaker 1: one was four dollars and seventy cents.
[36:05] Speaker 2: Oh my god, she's only getting four dollars and seventy cents.
[36:08] Speaker 1: That's what she sold it as well.
[36:11] Speaker 2: You know. Now I'm like a little Now, I'm like,
[36:13] Speaker 2: now I'm believing these less.
[36:15] Speaker 1: Now listen, here's what I'm going to say. They range
[36:19] Speaker 1: up to eighty five dollars.
[36:21] Speaker 2: So which one's eighty five?
[36:22] Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you. I'll tell you off air, okay,
[36:25] Speaker 1: just because again I don't want to be promoting, because
[36:30] Speaker 1: I'm telling you I've got too much experience with If
[36:32] Speaker 1: I start talking about this psychic and that witch and whatever,
[36:36] Speaker 1: then people are going to be like I went to
[36:37] Speaker 1: them and they ripped me off, and like I just
[36:40] Speaker 1: can't deal with it. But I will say, if I
[36:44] Speaker 1: meet the person, if this really is my soulmate, I
[36:47] Speaker 1: will tell you where I got it. I'll tell all
[36:50] Speaker 1: of you. But the one that I knew was proven
[36:55] Speaker 1: from the lady or whatever, you know, the woman that
[36:58] Speaker 1: inspired all this one was the most money.
[37:02] Speaker 2: Oh I see.
[37:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of all this kind of atsy, which by
[37:09] Speaker 1: the way, they call it digital witchcraft now, which I mean,
[37:15] Speaker 1: it's not like it's a stretch or anything, but it's
[37:16] Speaker 1: just weird. Because I was reading an article I think
[37:19] Speaker 1: it was Cosmo or like so many different news outlets
[37:24] Speaker 1: have covered this stuff since COVID. There's just been various
[37:28] Speaker 1: profiles about a day in the life of at sea whatever.
[37:32] Speaker 1: It really is an industry and there's people that are
[37:34] Speaker 1: making bank. I mean, I'm here in six figures that
[37:39] Speaker 1: some of these people are getting for doing these spells
[37:42] Speaker 1: and psychic readings. But another thing in this realm that
[37:47] Speaker 1: we talk about a lot on this podcast is the
[37:50] Speaker 1: haunted dolls that people sell. Can I show you a
[37:54] Speaker 1: haunted doll?
[37:55] Speaker 2: Please?
[37:56] Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for the dolls are living? Okay, So
[38:04] Speaker 1: typically we go to eBay. Every once in a while
[38:08] Speaker 1: we take a peek over at Etsy, and since this
[38:10] Speaker 1: is an Etsy episode, it's it turned into with me
[38:14] Speaker 1: and my love life. I found one on Etsy that
[38:17] Speaker 1: is currently being sold for sixty five dollars. Jieha show
[38:22] Speaker 1: us Jory. You got it? Rose? Oh, there's Jory. Jory
[38:27] Speaker 1: is a clown.
[38:29] Speaker 2: I like her.
[38:30] Speaker 1: Yes, honey, Sarah Scorm would go crazy for this outfit.
[38:35] Speaker 1: She has got a clown outfit. Big poofballs. I love
[38:39] Speaker 1: a ball like a poofball. She's got big poofballs going
[38:44] Speaker 1: down the center rainbow fabric. Okay, an ally happy pride.
[38:50] Speaker 2: So this is a haunted doll. And why would I
[38:53] Speaker 2: want to own a haunted doll?
[38:56] Speaker 1: Friendship? Right, you know, something so one to have an
[39:01] Speaker 1: interesting story when people come over to your house, you
[39:04] Speaker 1: can go, oh, and this is jewelry.
[39:06] Speaker 2: This is just an interesting thing because I'm like, if
[39:08] Speaker 2: you're a true believer, why would you want to invite
[39:12] Speaker 2: something haunted into your home?
[39:13] Speaker 1: Well, doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. Here's the thing. They
[39:16] Speaker 1: come with bios Okay, they come with experience that the
[39:21] Speaker 1: seller can tell you this is what you'll get when
[39:24] Speaker 1: you get this one. And sometimes they're good, sometimes they're bad.
[39:27] Speaker 1: Sometimes they will perform sexual acts on you. There's all
[39:33] Speaker 1: different types that you can get. What gender would you
[39:38] Speaker 1: guess this doll? Even is?
[39:41] Speaker 2: I think she's a woman. You think she's a woman, Yes,
[39:44] Speaker 2: I firmly do. Interesting, I believe she is bisexual.
[39:50] Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. There's always a difference between the
[39:53] Speaker 1: spirit inside of the doll and then what we're looking
[39:56] Speaker 1: at this doll, because there is sort of an idea
[39:59] Speaker 1: that this was a living person that is now inside
[40:02] Speaker 1: of this doll.
[40:03] Speaker 2: Okay, I think the living person was way less colorful.
[40:08] Speaker 2: I think the living person was a girl wearing a blazer,
[40:12] Speaker 2: going to her job in an office, gotcha. And I
[40:15] Speaker 2: think in the afterlife she can finally embrace her freak.
[40:19] Speaker 1: Now she can be a part of the clown community.
[40:22] Speaker 1: The Allegian theater.
[40:23] Speaker 2: Honey, Yes, she's very Allegian. And I think she's someone
[40:27] Speaker 2: who went to her job, was not satisfied, and we'll
[40:30] Speaker 2: go home. And she would look at Instagram and she
[40:32] Speaker 2: would see her more creative, artistic friends going to a rave,
[40:36] Speaker 2: going to Burning Man, attending a concert that she didn't
[40:41] Speaker 2: know about, doing polyamory, and she would say, you know,
[40:46] Speaker 2: of course I want some of that stuff, but I'm happy.
[40:49] Speaker 2: I'm happy with Mark. You know, I'm happy with Mark,
[40:52] Speaker 2: and I like our life together and I love our dogs.
[40:55] Speaker 2: But something was always bugging her inside. She had a
[40:59] Speaker 2: suspicion that she was a little more clown than she
[41:02] Speaker 2: was letting on. And I think now she's finally fully
[41:04] Speaker 2: able to embrace that post life.
[41:08] Speaker 1: Well, you couldn't be more wrong. This is with a
[41:11] Speaker 1: person Rope. I found Jory at my local habitat for
[41:15] Speaker 1: humanity thrift store. He stood out to me. Heugh, I
[41:21] Speaker 1: have spent some time with Jory myself and also consulted
[41:25] Speaker 1: another medium to get a second opinion. Jory is in
[41:29] Speaker 1: all caps sassy. Jory is a sassy diva. Sometimes. One
[41:35] Speaker 1: of the first times we spoke on the spirit box,
[41:39] Speaker 1: which is like a ghost hunting device, he told me
[41:43] Speaker 1: do not touch because I was annoying him. For this reason,
[41:48] Speaker 1: I am listing him as neutral as opposed to you know, like, oh,
[41:52] Speaker 1: this one's evil, this one's nice.
[41:54] Speaker 2: Okay, Oh I see.
[41:56] Speaker 1: Although he is a delight to speak to, sometimes he
[42:00] Speaker 1: can get a little attitude or be a little mischievous.
[42:04] Speaker 1: Basically he is moody. He does like to trick his
[42:07] Speaker 1: keeper sometimes. Also, in fact, the other day he made
[42:11] Speaker 1: me spill paint while I was touching up the trim
[42:14] Speaker 1: in my house. Whoever selling this has a house and
[42:17] Speaker 1: I don't.
[42:18] Speaker 2: So basically, basically he's a gay guy.
[42:22] Speaker 1: They didn't want to say it. It says from what
[42:26] Speaker 1: the medium and I have gathered in the late sixties
[42:28] Speaker 1: and early seventies, he was a wandering spirit. So I
[42:32] Speaker 1: think maybe he.
[42:33] Speaker 2: Was wandering behind some bushes.
[42:35] Speaker 1: Perhaps he was not in a doll yet, and he
[42:43] Speaker 1: was also not attached to a single person. But he
[42:45] Speaker 1: would feed off the laughter in awe that children and
[42:48] Speaker 1: audiences gave at events like carnivals, fairs, and circuses.
[42:53] Speaker 2: Right, he was an entertainer.
[42:55] Speaker 1: Guess he was in his forties. I believe he may
[43:00] Speaker 1: have killed himself.
[43:00] Speaker 2: Okay, well that's what happened. You know, if you're a
[43:03] Speaker 2: gay guy, you get to your forties, it's like, what's next.
[43:06] Speaker 1: I guess we're just gonna hang out at the carnival.
[43:10] Speaker 1: Sometimes he does not want to talk at all, and
[43:13] Speaker 1: he gets a little sassy. He will stop the conversation
[43:17] Speaker 1: once he is overstimulated and done. He gets frustrated. He
[43:21] Speaker 1: likes the sun and admiring beauty.
[43:23] Speaker 2: I mean, these are all such dog whistles for gay.
[43:26] Speaker 2: He likes the sun and admiring beauty. Hello, Hello, So
[43:31] Speaker 2: he loves the beach and going to an art gallery
[43:34] Speaker 2: sounds pretty gay to me.
[43:36] Speaker 1: I mean, oh my god. When I was in Atlanta recently,
[43:41] Speaker 1: I performed at the Outfront Theater, the gay theater there,
[43:44] Speaker 1: which is phenomenal, And there's an art gallery next door,
[43:47] Speaker 1: and there was I picked my head into the art
[43:49] Speaker 1: gallery and there was a man playing My Heart Will
[43:52] Speaker 1: go On on the piano.
[43:53] Speaker 2: That's so sweet.
[43:54] Speaker 1: Hell, Okay, anyway, one more thing I got for you,
[44:00] Speaker 1: and we listen to some ghost voices. It's tied for
[44:08] Speaker 1: EVP or ev plase. Okay, EVP stays, we're electronic voice phenomena.
[44:17] Speaker 1: It's anytime a ghost hunter believes they've captured a ghost speaking.
[44:22] Speaker 1: I go to YouTube. I got two of them for you.
[44:26] Speaker 1: I want you to tell me what these ghosts are saying,
[44:29] Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna give you an ABCD. One of
[44:32] Speaker 1: those options is what this person that posted it believes
[44:36] Speaker 1: the ghost is saying. Okay. Both of these come from
[44:39] Speaker 1: a user named Jeff Mills eighteen. This first one is
[44:44] Speaker 1: in a place called New Boston, Illinois, at a private residence.
[44:50] Speaker 1: Jorce of veris, what is this ghost saying? Okay, it's
[44:56] Speaker 1: real faint. Do you hear the voice.
[45:02] Speaker 2: It's like there's like yeah, yeah, four syllables. So get
[45:13] Speaker 2: me Uma, get me Uma. Yes, he's an Uma Thurmon
[45:18] Speaker 2: fan and he's saying, get me Uma.
[45:24] Speaker 1: That's a great guess, thank you, Yes, get me Umah,
[45:27] Speaker 1: let's do kill Bill volume three.
[45:30] Speaker 2: Yes, he's saying it's time, it's time to resurrect that property.
[45:33] Speaker 1: That's not what chepp Mail's eighteen thinks. Okay that this
[45:37] Speaker 1: ghost in a home in Illinois. Thought, did he think
[45:42] Speaker 1: it was a hey, stupid b Is this a bit
[45:49] Speaker 1: C paint their bedroom or d thank you bitch?
[45:57] Speaker 2: Okay, I think it's.
[45:57] Speaker 1: C paint their bedroom. Yeah that is what he believes. Okay,
[46:02] Speaker 1: I can kind of hear it.
[46:03] Speaker 2: Wait, yeah, I can hear it.
[46:07] Speaker 1: Sam, this one had notes. Yeah, that's correct, that is correct. See,
[46:12] Speaker 1: this ghost was like, honey, what are you doing with
[46:15] Speaker 1: that tone? With that carpet?
[46:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I actually like there's a pattern.
[46:21] Speaker 2: I'm sensing a lot of these ghosts have an appreciation
[46:24] Speaker 2: for aesthetics and beauty.
[46:25] Speaker 1: You know, well, what else are they got going on?
[46:28] Speaker 1: But to stare at everything.
[46:29] Speaker 2: That is such a good point. It's like because they
[46:31] Speaker 2: can't do it. They can't like grab something and move it.
[46:36] Speaker 2: It's like they are the ultimate like cultural critic. They're
[46:39] Speaker 2: just observing and critiquing.
[46:41] Speaker 1: I was on a plane and I was looking for
[46:43] Speaker 1: something to watch and there's a movie with Lucy Lou
[46:48] Speaker 1: that is from the perspective of a ghost.
[46:50] Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. The Soderberg movie was that good. It
[46:53] Speaker 2: was sad. I have to watch it. I really want to. Yeah,
[46:57] Speaker 2: I watched it isn't Julia Fox in it. I don't
[46:59] Speaker 2: think she plays a realtor.
[47:01] Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I don't remember. This is a couple months ago. Okay,
[47:05] Speaker 1: here's another one. This is from a private home in Conesville, Iowa.
[47:12] Speaker 1: What is this ghost saying?
[47:18] Speaker 2: Okay, I am the wrong I am I'm watching Maury.
[47:29] Speaker 1: The results are in and that is not the answer.
[47:33] Speaker 2: Okay, let me hear the options.
[47:35] Speaker 1: Did they think it was A I like your girls,
[47:38] Speaker 1: B I like girls. Maybe they were a Lena Dunham fan.
[47:45] Speaker 1: C I like the girls, which is different? Okay, YEA,
[47:51] Speaker 1: or D I like your pearls.
[47:57] Speaker 2: Okay, this is interesting, I like girls. What was the
[48:01] Speaker 2: second one?
[48:02] Speaker 1: Okay, so A I like your curls. Oh, B I
[48:07] Speaker 1: like girls. C. I like the girls and that's g
[48:11] Speaker 1: o r ls of course. Or D I like your pearls.
[48:16] Speaker 2: I think curls.
[48:18] Speaker 1: They believe it is B. I like girls.
[48:21] Speaker 2: Really, I mean, I can.
[48:25] Speaker 1: Kind of hear it. It's actually kind of gross. In
[48:30] Speaker 1: the video, the ghost hunter is trying to figure out
[48:33] Speaker 1: the sexuality of the ghosts, and he does ask very
[48:37] Speaker 1: lude lude ways. He's like, do you like this pejorative
[48:43] Speaker 1: or this pejorative? And then the ghost goes I.
[48:47] Speaker 2: Like girls, and is the ghost male or female?
[48:51] Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question. I was assuming it was male.
[48:55] Speaker 2: But you know what, well, no, why would you assume
[48:59] Speaker 2: you're right?
[49:00] Speaker 1: That is my own toxic masculinity.
[49:03] Speaker 2: Well, it's not toxic masculinity. It's internalized misogyny that you
[49:06] Speaker 2: think a woman can't rise to the ranks of being
[49:09] Speaker 2: a lesbian ghost.
[49:10] Speaker 1: And you know what's really sad. I also doubted you
[49:14] Speaker 1: when you said that Jory was a woman. I saw you.
[49:17] Speaker 1: I forget that clowns can be women sometimes.
[49:22] Speaker 2: I yeah, it just seemed and of course I get
[49:24] Speaker 2: that jury is gay guy presenting, but I just it
[49:27] Speaker 2: felt so obvious to me that I was like, but
[49:29] Speaker 2: what if it's kind of a woman with a pixie cut?
[49:31] Speaker 2: But I was wrong, obviously.
[49:32] Speaker 1: And I am an advocate for women with pixie cuts
[49:35] Speaker 1: and I always have been.
[49:36] Speaker 2: Yes, So.
[49:39] Speaker 1: Do I need to do a lot of internal thinking? Okay,
[49:43] Speaker 1: one last thing, George, I'm just going to fire off
[49:47] Speaker 1: a couple of these, you know, weirdo thingies, and I
[49:49] Speaker 1: want you to tell me if there's any thoughts you got.
[49:53] Speaker 1: Maybe it's a story or what about psychics for you?
[49:57] Speaker 2: You know, I've never been to one.
[49:59] Speaker 1: Is there a.
[50:03] Speaker 2: Yes, there is a reason. I get very bogged down
[50:06] Speaker 2: by reviews. Like I'm someone who like, if I want
[50:10] Speaker 2: to buy a new pan for my kitchen, I'm like
[50:12] Speaker 2: going to wirecutter, I'm going to strategists, and I'm reading
[50:15] Speaker 2: everyone's reviews. I'm trying to get the perfect one. And
[50:18] Speaker 2: for me, a psychic is something that like, I would
[50:21] Speaker 2: need to spend so much time researching which one to
[50:24] Speaker 2: go to, and I would really have to find one
[50:26] Speaker 2: that I trust, and it seems too stressful to even
[50:29] Speaker 2: get into it. So I'm like, whatever, I'd rather not know. Yeah,
[50:32] Speaker 2: I'd rather not go than go to one that's bad.
[50:35] Speaker 1: I get that. What about coincidences and stuff like that?
[50:41] Speaker 1: Do you read anything?
[50:42] Speaker 2: Yes? I do. I do. I think that's like more
[50:45] Speaker 2: in line with the whole evil eye bad luck thing.
[50:48] Speaker 2: It's like if there's a concept in Greek called it's
[50:52] Speaker 2: for a man, it's rususis for a woman as rusuza,
[50:56] Speaker 2: and this is like a person that brings bad luck
[50:58] Speaker 2: with them.
[50:58] Speaker 1: So that was a beauty. Wait can you say it again?
[51:01] Speaker 2: Rurusuzis and grusuza are the two words hanging out of
[51:05] Speaker 2: his gendered male or female.
[51:07] Speaker 1: If I have twins, so that's gonna be my twin daughters.
[51:10] Speaker 2: Well get ready for them to both be haunted, okay,
[51:12] Speaker 2: and for them to bring terrible luck into your life.
[51:14] Speaker 1: Oh that's what this is, okay.
[51:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like someone who brings bad luck with them.
[51:17] Speaker 2: So it's like in terms of coincidences, like there are
[51:20] Speaker 2: people in my life where I'm like, okay, every time
[51:24] Speaker 2: I run into you, something bad then happens to me. Really,
[51:27] Speaker 2: I can literally think of a few off the top
[51:29] Speaker 2: of my head, and I've genuinely like pulled back.
[51:33] Speaker 1: I want names.
[51:33] Speaker 2: I'm not kidding, I have pulled back. There was one
[51:36] Speaker 2: I didn't invite to our wedding, and I grew up
[51:39] Speaker 2: with this notion too, where it's like we had certain
[51:41] Speaker 2: family friends and suddenly someone in the family would be like, well,
[51:44] Speaker 2: she's a grusuza, Like you do not want to be
[51:46] Speaker 2: around her, Like, don't go out for coffee with her
[51:50] Speaker 2: as you're waiting for medical test results. Go out with
[51:53] Speaker 2: her next week. You'll get the results first and then
[51:55] Speaker 2: you can go have coffee with her.
[51:56] Speaker 1: Knock it off.
[51:58] Speaker 2: And so so in that sense, i'd do you believe
[52:00] Speaker 2: in coincidences.
[52:01] Speaker 1: That is so interesting. Now do you think that they
[52:05] Speaker 1: are just that for you? Or are they that for everyone? Oh?
[52:09] Speaker 2: Now that's a good question. That's a good question. I
[52:12] Speaker 2: would say, hmmm, I would say for me. Yeah.
[52:18] Speaker 1: So it's a it's a person to person.
[52:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think their life is doomed to be
[52:24] Speaker 2: full of bad.
[52:25] Speaker 1: Luck, because you might be that for someone you know.
[52:28] Speaker 2: I mean, I know. But here's but here's where it
[52:30] Speaker 2: gets complicated. Is like, Okay, so let's say someone you
[52:33] Speaker 2: know his name is Justin Okay, and he's a grusousist.
[52:37] Speaker 2: And I'm like, all right, I don't I don't really
[52:38] Speaker 2: want to spend too much time with him. But then
[52:40] Speaker 2: a friend of mine is like, I'm gonna start dating Justin.
[52:43] Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, well that's gonna come back to me,
[52:47] Speaker 2: Like there's still a pathway for the for the bad
[52:50] Speaker 2: vibes to come back to me. So, yes, it's only
[52:53] Speaker 2: affecting me. But I'm not an island, like I'm part
[52:56] Speaker 2: of a community.
[52:57] Speaker 1: Okay.
[52:58] Speaker 2: The bad luck is like diffused through other people. It's
[53:01] Speaker 2: not just one on one.
[53:03] Speaker 1: Okay.
[53:04] Speaker 2: Interesting, do you have anyone like that in your life?
[53:07] Speaker 1: No? But I bet you, because I'm like, I don't
[53:11] Speaker 1: like that person. I think I'm at a point in
[53:14] Speaker 1: my life where I'm like, if you're giving me or
[53:16] Speaker 1: a Susie vibes, I'm not sorry, I said it wrong,
[53:20] Speaker 1: say it.
[53:20] Speaker 2: So it's like g R but like a soft so
[53:23] Speaker 2: it's like rue suzis.
[53:25] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can't do that. But if you're giving
[53:27] Speaker 1: me like, I think it's gonna be that you're not
[53:30] Speaker 1: even getting in. So I see, I se yeah, we
[53:32] Speaker 1: don't let you in at the door.
[53:34] Speaker 2: Oh see, I'm bad at welcoming. I'm like, I'm getting
[53:37] Speaker 2: better as if this is a good older but especially
[53:38] Speaker 2: when I was younger, I would just like give every
[53:41] Speaker 2: one the benefit of the doubt.
[53:43] Speaker 1: Yeah I know, I know, and maybe I should be
[53:47] Speaker 1: more of that sometimes, but I don't know. I just
[53:50] Speaker 1: got I got my radar. It's just like when I
[53:55] Speaker 1: see the Etsy drawings, I'm like that guy, yes for me. Okay,
[54:02] Speaker 1: last one, what do you think about UFOs.
[54:07] Speaker 2: This is a tough one and your audience is gonna
[54:10] Speaker 2: get mad at me. But I've so far been very
[54:13] Speaker 2: open to the paranormal. Yeah, I appreciate it, but I
[54:17] Speaker 2: think with UFOs, I'm like, I am open to the
[54:20] Speaker 2: concept of their life in the universe, but the like
[54:24] Speaker 2: cartoonishness of UFOs turns me off. I'm like, if there's something,
[54:29] Speaker 2: if there are aliens around us, they're not in little
[54:31] Speaker 2: saucers like there, it's gonna be something more complex real, Okay, Yeah,
[54:36] Speaker 2: so that's how I feel. I'm like, maybe they're in
[54:38] Speaker 2: the air around us and we can't even perceive them,
[54:42] Speaker 2: or maybe they're you know, infiltrating human body. Like I'm
[54:48] Speaker 2: open to even more crazy theories, but the idea of
[54:51] Speaker 2: a flying saucer is just it's too Hollywood.
[54:55] Speaker 1: It's cute, sure for a movie or a yeah, yeah, but.
[55:00] Speaker 2: It's like it's too neat. I guess it's too much
[55:03] Speaker 2: like a spaceship is too much like a car, and
[55:07] Speaker 2: like they would have something different.
[55:09] Speaker 1: All I ever say about it really though, is like
[55:13] Speaker 1: if they come here, yeah, and we have not been
[55:18] Speaker 1: wherever they are that we know of, that means that
[55:22] Speaker 1: they're super smart and so they've got incredible technology and yeah,
[55:28] Speaker 1: so whatever it is that they are able to fly
[55:31] Speaker 1: here in, it's probably pretty cute. I mean, in some fashion,
[55:36] Speaker 1: it's probably like, you know, just really high quality. Yeah,
[55:43] Speaker 1: totally come on, they can get all the way over here,
[55:46] Speaker 1: they figure out how to make it, and they're clearly
[55:49] Speaker 1: not close by. Yeah, so it's got to be pretty
[55:53] Speaker 1: good stuff. That's all I'm saying.
[55:55] Speaker 2: Do you think they're peaceful?
[55:57] Speaker 1: I mean, we're still standing, that's true if they have
[56:01] Speaker 1: that capability and they haven't done something too crazy. I mean,
[56:07] Speaker 1: I think I think they're peaceful. I'd like to believe that.
[56:11] Speaker 1: And I'm so open to other than humans, like just
[56:17] Speaker 1: knowing that, Like I would love for them to come
[56:21] Speaker 1: down and just like it becomes like another race that
[56:24] Speaker 1: we have here. Sounds so fun. I'm like, Oh, tell
[56:27] Speaker 1: me everything about your culture. I want to hear about it.
[56:30] Speaker 1: I want to hear about the things that you guys
[56:34] Speaker 1: know and that you find fun and all of it.
[56:38] Speaker 2: It would be really exciting to just meet someone who's
[56:40] Speaker 2: completely different.
[56:41] Speaker 1: Just wait till we have like alien influencers. Like there's
[56:45] Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that they could do. And look,
[56:47] Speaker 1: don't don't get me wrong, I'm fully aware they're gonna
[56:50] Speaker 1: come to this earth and they're gonna turn real shitty,
[56:52] Speaker 1: real quick. But for a minute, it's going to be exciting.
[56:56] Speaker 1: Oh for sure, and we need something you to be
[56:59] Speaker 1: excited about. So anyway, I hope that they're listening, and
[57:04] Speaker 1: you are more than welcome to crash at my place. Uh. Okay, George,
[57:11] Speaker 1: that's it.
[57:12] Speaker 2: Well, this has been an absolute delight. I'm so sad
[57:14] Speaker 2: we're not in the same room. I hope tour has
[57:18] Speaker 2: been going well.
[57:19] Speaker 1: Yes, I have. With the time of this recording, I
[57:21] Speaker 1: only have one more and I'm leaving for it tomorrow.
[57:25] Speaker 1: Forty six dates.
[57:26] Speaker 2: Well, congratulations, that's very exciting. Thank you.
[57:29] Speaker 1: Okay, one more time. Tell us where to listen to
[57:32] Speaker 1: your pod. This sounds fascinating.
[57:34] Speaker 2: Yes, so I do have. I am a comedian who
[57:36] Speaker 2: has a comedy podcast called Stradio Lab with Sam Taggart
[57:39] Speaker 2: and Roz has been on it. Yeah. It's a podcast
[57:41] Speaker 2: about straight culture. Each episode we discuss a different element
[57:44] Speaker 2: of straight culture and then sometimes I put my serious
[57:47] Speaker 2: hat on. And I co host United States of Kennedy,
[57:49] Speaker 2: which is a pop culture history podcast about the Kennedys.
[57:52] Speaker 2: And you can find both of them wherever you find
[57:54] Speaker 2: your podcasts.
[57:55] Speaker 1: I love that.
[57:56] Speaker 2: Oh, and I have a comedy special coming out December
[57:59] Speaker 2: second Style. I haven't even announced it anywhere yet, so
[58:03] Speaker 2: you're the first one to hear about it. Where congrats,
[58:07] Speaker 2: it's going to be like available to rent and stuff
[58:09] Speaker 2: like on Apple and on Amazon and all those places.
[58:13] Speaker 1: Do you know what it's called and all that.
[58:15] Speaker 2: I'm not even going to say the name of you
[58:17] Speaker 2: yet because I don't know if I'm allowed to, but
[58:19] Speaker 2: that's you're the first to hear about it.
[58:20] Speaker 1: Congratulations.
[58:23] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[58:23] Speaker 1: I was just going to say, if people listen to
[58:25] Speaker 1: Stradio lap, go listen to the one one I was on.
[58:29] Speaker 1: We talk about I think we talked about aliens, but.
[58:32] Speaker 2: I definitely I know it was UFO's right, I think so.
[58:35] Speaker 2: And you were wearing famously transition lenses.
[58:38] Speaker 1: That's what it was. It's all I wear these days
[58:41] Speaker 1: when I'm not like on stage, is these tinted glasses.
[58:45] Speaker 1: And we really got into we did the fact that
[58:48] Speaker 1: what I wear is transitioned lenses. They are not, and
[58:54] Speaker 1: they don't transition. They are That's right.
[58:56] Speaker 2: They have transitioned.
[58:58] Speaker 1: They have transitioned. And there was some misunderstanding because you
[59:02] Speaker 1: thought that they were.
[59:03] Speaker 2: I thought they were transitioning. Yeah, And I apologized and
[59:07] Speaker 2: we had a real come to Jesus moment about that.
[59:10] Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, anyway, that's it.
[59:13] Speaker 2: Thank you Oz, Thank you.
[59:17] Speaker 1: George, and go listen to his new podcast, United States
[59:21] Speaker 1: of Kennedy. All Right, you people are so fun to
[59:28] Speaker 1: talk to every single week, and I love it, so
[59:32] Speaker 1: let's keep doing it. I got a lot of really
[59:35] Speaker 1: exciting episodes coming up, so make sure you're following this
[59:38] Speaker 1: show and telling everyone you know about it. I love
[59:42] Speaker 1: you all, both living and dead. But if I didn't
[59:45] Speaker 1: ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me came back.
[59:55] Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production. Want to share
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