# Tammie Brown Would Never Use a Ouija Board

An episode of [Ghosted! by Roz Hernandez](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1450864418), 22 Jun 2026, 55 min.

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This week Roz teleports to another dimension with the ICONIC Drag Race trailblazer and recording artist Tammie Brown! The tea is hot AND transcendent as the two discuss astral projection, manifestation, and curses! Want to share YOUR paranormal experience on the podcast? Email your *short* stories to GhostedByRoz@gmail.com and maybe Roz will read it out loud on the show... or even call you! Be sure to follow the show @GhostedByRoz on Instagram. Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3WwYCsr See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:07] Speaker 1: What's that at bed? It's spooky. Hey Juky, I'm really
[0:12] Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,
[0:16] Speaker 1: I las nandaz.
[0:24] Speaker 2: P.
[0:25] Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me Ros and welcome to Ghosted by
[0:32] Speaker 1: Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that
[0:36] Speaker 1: I like about the paranormal. Okay, we got Tammy Brown
[0:42] Speaker 1: on the show. If you're unfamiliar with Tammy Brown, she
[0:48] Speaker 1: was on the first ever season of RuPaul's Drag Race.
[0:53] Speaker 1: And let me tell you, those queens, those were pioneers.
[0:58] Speaker 1: They are the reason that we've had so many iconic
[1:02] Speaker 1: moments and stars. Could you imagine if they went on
[1:06] Speaker 1: that show and it was a real stinker, they would
[1:09] Speaker 1: say cancel, no more, Nope, nope, didn't happen. We're now
[1:13] Speaker 1: in like the seventy fifth season or something like that now,
[1:17] Speaker 1: all thanks to the queen's like Tammy Brown an absolute icon.
[1:23] Speaker 1: She is a very unique person and you will hear
[1:30] Speaker 1: that today in this episode. I mean she's from planet Tammy, honey,
[1:35] Speaker 1: and I hope you enjoy this conversation that we had. Also,
[1:41] Speaker 1: as you know, you can go get my audio book
[1:44] Speaker 1: wherever you get audiobooks. It's called peeing in an empty
[1:47] Speaker 1: bottle and other glamorous shenanigans of an almost famous transgender
[1:53] Speaker 1: comedian on the road to hear my story and to
[1:58] Speaker 1: hear about the tour I did last year and stand
[2:02] Speaker 1: up comedy, and I'm very proud of that project and
[2:06] Speaker 1: I worked on it so hard, and it's my first
[2:09] Speaker 1: time ever writing something, So go easy on me and
[2:13] Speaker 1: go check it out. I hope you enjoy that. Also,
[2:17] Speaker 1: I've been ghost hunting on YouTube. Roz Hernandez the Doll
[2:22] Speaker 1: is my YouTube channel. To see roz Hernandez The Haunted
[2:26] Speaker 1: Doll where I go ghost hunting with guys I meet
[2:29] Speaker 1: on Grinder. I've been working real hard on that as well. Okay,
[2:34] Speaker 1: here we go strap in because it's time for Tammy
[2:39] Speaker 1: Brown on with the show. Tammy Brown, how's it going.
[2:49] Speaker 1: I'm so happy you're here. Straight from Planet Tammy. How
[2:53] Speaker 1: are you today? I'm good?
[2:54] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[2:56] Speaker 1: Okay. So one thing, as I'm sitting here thinking about okay,
[3:00] Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about ghosts, We're gonna be talking
[3:03] Speaker 1: about psychics, aliens, bigfoots, curses, all kinds of things. I
[3:13] Speaker 1: do think of a mutual friend of ours who is
[3:17] Speaker 1: a legitimate psychic Kelly Mantle. Have you always known this
[3:22] Speaker 1: about her?
[3:24] Speaker 2: I wouldn't say she's a psychic, you don't think so now,
[3:27] Speaker 2: but maybe a medium.
[3:29] Speaker 1: I'm clairvoyant.
[3:30] Speaker 2: She could be clairvoyant, but not too much really.
[3:34] Speaker 1: So you're skeptical of her scirita.
[3:36] Speaker 2: Will still snacker in the face.
[3:38] Speaker 1: So tell me your thoughts on her abilities.
[3:41] Speaker 2: Well, I know that she has headmtes.
[3:43] Speaker 1: What does that mean?
[3:44] Speaker 2: That she has four different personalities? And she has body dysmorphia,
[3:50] Speaker 2: but that's another story. And I know she's a trancescois
[3:54] Speaker 2: as well, that she likes her body the way it is.
[3:58] Speaker 1: She Kelly Manton. Okay, So anyone that doesn't know Kelly Mantle,
[4:02] Speaker 1: iconic trans drag queen actress. She's on Rubul's Drag Race.
[4:08] Speaker 1: She has a great podcast. She as the past few
[4:13] Speaker 1: years have gone on, has embraced her psychic abilities. And
[4:20] Speaker 1: I have witnessed them firsthand, and I'm very skeptical of psychics.
[4:27] Speaker 1: She there's something. Okay, we go center Trixie Mattel's house
[4:33] Speaker 1: together and there were things that she knew that I
[4:37] Speaker 1: don't know how she knew that. She also I've seen
[4:41] Speaker 1: her do it to people. She's been doing it a
[4:43] Speaker 1: lot lately. She makes people like cry, but not you.
[4:47] Speaker 2: She's not gonna make me goddamn cry. Honey, has your exploitation?
[4:54] Speaker 1: You don't think it's real? Huh, you don't think it's real.
[4:57] Speaker 2: Oh, I'll let her do her thing?
[4:59] Speaker 1: Are you so at all?
[5:02] Speaker 2: I wouldn't say I'm more empathic. I would say, you know,
[5:05] Speaker 2: intuitive intuitive two things manifest for you. Well, I know
[5:12] Speaker 2: I'm a conduit. I'm good for helping people cross certain
[5:16] Speaker 2: certain bridges.
[5:17] Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
[5:18] Speaker 2: Or I'm someone that people can be comfortable to fully
[5:21] Speaker 2: express themselves with and around, and they can go from
[5:25] Speaker 2: there and express themselves in their normal life.
[5:28] Speaker 1: Okay, Now what if they've died.
[5:32] Speaker 2: Now, if they've died, I hope they don't rot and
[5:35] Speaker 2: start stinking.
[5:38] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Do you think you've encountered
[5:40] Speaker 1: a dead person that has their spirits has contacted you.
[5:47] Speaker 2: I have had an experience and heard of experiences within
[5:51] Speaker 2: the family.
[5:52] Speaker 1: Like what, okay, give it to us, take us to
[5:54] Speaker 1: the slumber party, really, give us, give us every detail.
[5:57] Speaker 2: Well, my grandmother, she used to Mary Anne Roe. She
[5:59] Speaker 2: used to say that this big frog would come to her,
[6:01] Speaker 2: and she'd tell it to go away in the name
[6:03] Speaker 2: of Jesus, and it would go away in the name
[6:05] Speaker 2: of Jesus, and it would come in and try to
[6:07] Speaker 2: strangle her. A big frog, A big frog late at night,
[6:11] Speaker 2: I guess, so to speak.
[6:12] Speaker 1: Huh where was she?
[6:14] Speaker 2: She was in Rockstown, Texas.
[6:16] Speaker 1: So she would have a frog, like a giant frog.
[6:21] Speaker 2: She believed in that she was being strangled at night.
[6:24] Speaker 2: Something was trying to get her from time to time,
[6:26] Speaker 2: and it was in this house that if somebody had
[6:29] Speaker 2: expired in so to speak, or whatever. She believed in
[6:32] Speaker 2: these things. She wasn't a rum tum tim or my grandma,
[6:34] Speaker 2: but she she was on a predicine and these sort
[6:37] Speaker 2: of things because she had severe arthritis and she had
[6:40] Speaker 2: had umpteen surgeries, you know, like fourteen surgeries or something
[6:43] Speaker 2: like that. Oh wow, before she expired my grandmother room.
[6:47] Speaker 1: So she would say that this giant frog. Have you
[6:52] Speaker 1: ever heard of the Loveland frog man.
[6:54] Speaker 2: Love Land frogman?
[6:56] Speaker 1: Have you heard of this Loveland Loveland frog man?
[6:59] Speaker 2: The loved Now I've heard of that that's over there.
[7:01] Speaker 2: When is that in the Bronx or somewhere over there
[7:03] Speaker 2: in New York's so canceled.
[7:06] Speaker 1: There is the legend of the Loveland Frogman that's in Loveland, Ohio,
[7:12] Speaker 1: oh Ohio. This is according to WLWT dot com, which
[7:18] Speaker 1: is an NBC affiliate. Day said back since the fifties,
[7:23] Speaker 1: a four foot frog roams the marshes on its hind legs.
[7:29] Speaker 1: The fabled Loveland Frogman was allegedly spotted as recent as
[7:34] Speaker 1: twenty sixteen.
[7:36] Speaker 2: I've seen the big toads down in Mexico, big frogs.
[7:39] Speaker 1: But this is like a four foot tall frogman stretched
[7:43] Speaker 1: those legs, honey, I am aph fhim.
[7:48] Speaker 2: Well, you know those frog legs. I've always liked those,
[7:50] Speaker 2: like in Madam Moorse, Mexico, where there was that colt
[7:53] Speaker 2: down there.
[7:53] Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not doing that.
[7:54] Speaker 2: You know what Mada Morris means, no means the more killer,
[7:57] Speaker 2: and they have that up in the Catholic Church.
[7:59] Speaker 1: Oh and they eat big frogs down there.
[8:03] Speaker 2: Well, they eat frogs in Mexico. They eat frogs all
[8:05] Speaker 2: around the places. Even do you like it? I like
[8:09] Speaker 2: frog legs?
[8:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, really, now that's they You could have came in
[8:15] Speaker 1: handy when your poor grandmother was getting attacked by the
[8:18] Speaker 1: giant frog. You could have said, let's make dinner.
[8:21] Speaker 2: Did I tell you about the leg that was in
[8:23] Speaker 2: the closet here we go. Prosthetic leg was in that
[8:27] Speaker 2: closet in that same house that she was in it?
[8:29] Speaker 2: Where did it come from the person that had lived
[8:31] Speaker 2: there before and expired? But I tell you what. The
[8:34] Speaker 2: leg wasn't hopping around? That's one thing. Oh it was
[8:36] Speaker 2: a frog.
[8:37] Speaker 1: It was a frog, not a leg.
[8:39] Speaker 2: My grandfather he would poke fun at my grandma.
[8:41] Speaker 1: And oh are you pulling my leg?
[8:44] Speaker 2: No? So with your finger right, you don't want another game.
[8:48] Speaker 1: You don't want to do that. Okay, So growing up young,
[8:54] Speaker 1: there's you have a grandmother that tells you the story?
[8:59] Speaker 1: Or did you were you race religious? Well?
[9:02] Speaker 2: Through them we would go to the Pentecostal church minus
[9:05] Speaker 2: the snakes? And did you go to Pentecosta? Now be
[9:10] Speaker 2: talking in tongues like that lady who's an advisor for
[9:12] Speaker 2: the White House? That lady it's getting drink link around
[9:17] Speaker 2: the didn't getting because some of them in there, and
[9:20] Speaker 2: that's how they kind of talk like that exactly like
[9:22] Speaker 2: that is that gibberish?
[9:25] Speaker 1: So your church didn't have frogs instead of snakes? No,
[9:29] Speaker 1: none of that, None of that no reptiles or amphibia.
[9:32] Speaker 2: And that was in Montana. We would go up to
[9:34] Speaker 2: Montana for the summer because my grandmother would go to
[9:36] Speaker 2: Montana because of the arthritis. And they go in the
[9:39] Speaker 2: mines and the minerals in the mines down in the
[9:41] Speaker 2: ground and they would sure rejuvenate, so to speak, not
[9:46] Speaker 2: like cocoon or anything. Right, and Cocoony Jessica Tandy and
[9:50] Speaker 2: her husband and all of them were in the swimming
[9:53] Speaker 2: pool with those extraterrestrials.
[9:55] Speaker 1: Exactly do you believe in aliens?
[9:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of activit different places. I've only
[10:01] Speaker 2: seen one thing like that in Bulgaria when I was
[10:04] Speaker 2: camping with my friend Iliam and then we were I
[10:07] Speaker 2: looked up, but I saw something like as a toggle
[10:11] Speaker 2: and then it was gone.
[10:12] Speaker 1: In Bulgaria.
[10:13] Speaker 2: Bulgaria, they say there's a lot of them there, and
[10:15] Speaker 2: I feel the very the werewolfy kind of feeling there.
[10:17] Speaker 2: In fact, I wrote a little story about it in
[10:19] Speaker 2: my head about it. Were wolf Warholock is how they
[10:23] Speaker 2: say werewolf.
[10:24] Speaker 1: In Bulgarian Why do you get that feeling there?
[10:28] Speaker 2: You just kind of feel this kind of have this
[10:30] Speaker 2: kind of mystical feeling like that kind of mystical. I
[10:32] Speaker 2: guess you'd say kind of mystic I don't know, kind
[10:34] Speaker 2: of feeling there.
[10:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, So when you saw this little thing up in
[10:38] Speaker 1: the sky, what do you think that is?
[10:41] Speaker 2: I would look like I would say it was like
[10:43] Speaker 2: an extraterresta like a toggle or a you know, unidentified
[10:47] Speaker 2: flying object kind of Do.
[10:49] Speaker 1: You think it's from another planet? Do you think it's
[10:51] Speaker 1: from Are they here on Earth?
[10:54] Speaker 2: Well? I presume they been here. But I think ancient
[10:57] Speaker 2: Aliens is the appropriation, of course, and it's been proven
[11:01] Speaker 2: that it's appropriation from other people like indigenous and sure,
[11:05] Speaker 2: and they say that the Africans can't build certain things
[11:08] Speaker 2: or Indigenous can't build this, they're not smart enough as scientists.
[11:12] Speaker 1: Right, there's a lot of there's a lot of problematic stuff.
[11:17] Speaker 1: When when the people start talking about the Aliens built
[11:21] Speaker 1: the pyramids and this.
[11:23] Speaker 2: And that, it's like, well, people do amazing things.
[11:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, it's uh, I don't know. I
[11:32] Speaker 1: don't know any of it. I don't. I mean, I
[11:34] Speaker 1: will say they did do some pretty unbelievable things. Mm hm.
[11:42] Speaker 1: Back then and I say let's leave it at that.
[11:46] Speaker 2: Let's leave it at that. And I believe in mummification.
[11:49] Speaker 1: You believe in it.
[11:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, Indigenous people would do that. They would mummify maybe
[11:53] Speaker 2: a leader or a special person in the family and
[11:55] Speaker 2: they would go have conversations with it later on.
[11:57] Speaker 1: Would you be mummified?
[11:59] Speaker 2: I would love it.
[12:01] Speaker 1: You'd be a great mummy.
[12:02] Speaker 2: How do they get wax? Like Ivita Ivita, Ivita, the
[12:08] Speaker 2: Iva par she was waxed. She's waxed in there somewhere.
[12:13] Speaker 1: Honey, I've been waxed. Oh she was like a wax figure.
[12:17] Speaker 2: You know, they put wax over the bodies. What I'm saying.
[12:20] Speaker 1: Your Catholics do some shit like that all the time.
[12:22] Speaker 1: You go to some of these like old churches somewhere
[12:25] Speaker 1: in like Europe or whatever. They're like over there, it's
[12:28] Speaker 1: the saint and he's just been sitting there and then
[12:30] Speaker 1: you just see this guy.
[12:31] Speaker 2: He's like Even in Mexico City there's a lot of them.
[12:35] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, first me and they'll be like, oh, come
[12:38] Speaker 1: see the the rib bone from some guy.
[12:43] Speaker 2: Mummy. Yeah, like they have them in there, sure, in
[12:47] Speaker 2: a glass case in the church, I believe you. And
[12:50] Speaker 2: they have the matta more the more killer in one
[12:52] Speaker 2: of the churches over there.
[12:53] Speaker 1: You spent a lot of time in Mexico.
[12:55] Speaker 2: Huh. I still spend a lot of time in Mexico.
[12:57] Speaker 2: Pev And I'm learning now while well, I was supposed
[13:00] Speaker 2: to be originally it was supposed to be born in Pev. Really,
[13:05] Speaker 2: but we lived up the road from Bayarta for a minute.
[13:08] Speaker 2: We were living in Sailita, and then we moved even
[13:10] Speaker 2: further to Drinkogatos in Nayarit and then we lived in
[13:14] Speaker 2: Waldahada for three years. Wow.
[13:20] Speaker 1: Now, staying with all of this ghosty stuff, do you
[13:25] Speaker 1: think that there's some mystical side of Mexico from your experience?
[13:30] Speaker 1: Have you have you had experiences in Mexico spiritually.
[13:34] Speaker 2: Well, they're not afraid of death, sure, And the more
[13:38] Speaker 2: tears that's cried by the sacrificees children or the children
[13:42] Speaker 2: that are going to be sacrificed for the rain, the
[13:45] Speaker 2: more rain will fall.
[13:46] Speaker 1: Yes, there's a lot of what some would say superstitions, beliefs,
[13:52] Speaker 1: spiritual beliefs. I love all that stuff.
[13:57] Speaker 2: I'm thinking more astroprojecto and things like that, that cos
[14:00] Speaker 2: Cosmo vision and stuff like that, and within the indigenous cultures,
[14:04] Speaker 2: colonization and all that, right, sure, and mind control and
[14:08] Speaker 2: things like that.
[14:10] Speaker 1: Now, astral projection is something I love to talk about.
[14:14] Speaker 1: Do you think you've ever done it?
[14:16] Speaker 2: I know I can do things like that, Like why
[14:18] Speaker 2: if you practice enough in your meditation, you can get
[14:21] Speaker 2: your body to do things or get yourself into other places,
[14:24] Speaker 2: or send your prayer or your energy. So I believe
[14:27] Speaker 2: in that.
[14:28] Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I've heard, is like you certainly can
[14:33] Speaker 1: develop it or like you know, access it, or however
[14:36] Speaker 1: you want to look at it where the physical body
[14:38] Speaker 1: and the spiritual body can disconnect, almost like the ghost
[14:42] Speaker 1: of a living person. The spiritual side of you can
[14:47] Speaker 1: go off and go someplace.
[14:49] Speaker 2: Like there's Sylvian theory or black Elk speaks. He talks
[14:52] Speaker 2: about transcendental meditation. Black Elk speaks, and then he's Lakota
[14:57] Speaker 2: su Lakota and then then you then there's like what
[15:03] Speaker 2: is it Neville Girder, But the Sylvian theory they talk
[15:06] Speaker 2: about how to do this transcend illmentitation or how to
[15:10] Speaker 2: get in and help people like healing and stuff like that.
[15:14] Speaker 1: On our own with the Sylvian theory, I don't know that.
[15:17] Speaker 2: Well, well, it suggests people to look it up. It's
[15:20] Speaker 2: a Texan person from Texas Spano and then but he
[15:25] Speaker 2: created a theory and how to get people to tune
[15:28] Speaker 2: in and manifest, manifest like answers for tests or keep
[15:32] Speaker 2: yourself out of problems or situations, right things to say
[15:36] Speaker 2: and things like that. And there's a whole world out
[15:38] Speaker 2: there that you can even go to. I would like
[15:40] Speaker 2: to go to one of the seminars are training for
[15:42] Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. But it's also with that, it's
[15:44] Speaker 2: fun because it ties kind of like I practice nietzchrom
[15:47] Speaker 2: Buddhism and we've been I've been chanting for twenty six
[15:49] Speaker 2: years now and then and with the SGI and then
[15:53] Speaker 2: when you when you're chanting, you always is for KOs
[15:56] Speaker 2: and rufu for world peace. But you can chant for
[15:58] Speaker 2: material objects or whatever you want that your earthly desires are.
[16:01] Speaker 2: That's gonna But if you polish yourself keep creating, you're
[16:04] Speaker 2: gonna create this stuff.
[16:06] Speaker 1: But you have to do it for good.
[16:08] Speaker 2: Like if you're channing, do unto others as you want
[16:10] Speaker 2: them to do to you. So the line from the
[16:12] Speaker 2: Bible and Neville Girder breaks Garter breaks that down. And
[16:16] Speaker 2: even with the Sylvian theory, if you're gonna do something,
[16:18] Speaker 2: you do it for the better of the other person,
[16:20] Speaker 2: or if your law of attraction, but you do it
[16:22] Speaker 2: for the better.
[16:23] Speaker 1: I think that's like a pretty universal thing that sometimes
[16:27] Speaker 1: gets lost in translation for people. But whether it's karma,
[16:31] Speaker 1: you know, witches, we'll call it like the threefold path
[16:34] Speaker 1: or whatever, like it'll come back to you three times worse,
[16:36] Speaker 1: like ultimately treat others the way you want to be treated.
[16:41] Speaker 2: So you wonder what's gonna happen with the CIA and FBI,
[16:44] Speaker 2: because they've been using these tricks for a long time.
[16:47] Speaker 1: Ooh, I love the thought of that. I mean, which
[16:51] Speaker 1: is a real thing that yes, they have tried to
[16:54] Speaker 1: use what they do, Yeah, mind controls.
[16:58] Speaker 2: The studies and it shows what they done. And I
[17:01] Speaker 2: read the book what is the Jesse Ventura's book. He
[17:04] Speaker 2: explains a lot of things hidden stuff and that has
[17:06] Speaker 2: been released from these files. And yes, I'd actually stopped
[17:10] Speaker 2: the book. It's too intense, like what our country has
[17:14] Speaker 2: done and what goes on through that kind of stuff.
[17:18] Speaker 2: But they can do mind control on people and stuff,
[17:20] Speaker 2: and maybe that's who shot John Lennon mind control.
[17:26] Speaker 1: Are you conspiracy theorists?
[17:27] Speaker 2: Well, I mean there's some truth to a lot of
[17:29] Speaker 2: different things.
[17:30] Speaker 1: See, that's something when like I'll ask someone what's your
[17:35] Speaker 1: favorite conspiracy theory and they'll say, like, well, it's not
[17:38] Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory, And then I know I'm about to
[17:41] Speaker 1: hear some good shit. What's that? Then you believe it.
[17:45] Speaker 2: Well, anything is possible. And like with studying, like Cobies
[17:48] Speaker 2: of the Bacca. There's a book Kabys of the Baca,
[17:51] Speaker 2: and he wrote that in fifteen fifteen hundreds. He went
[17:56] Speaker 2: back from the from the Americas back to Spain. I
[17:58] Speaker 2: think it wasn't. He wrote this book book and the
[18:00] Speaker 2: Spains tried to deter him because he was really friendly
[18:03] Speaker 2: with the indigenous. It's a proven thing. He was a
[18:05] Speaker 2: good guy so to speak. He believe in giving reparation,
[18:08] Speaker 2: moneys and all this stuff. But he talks in his book.
[18:11] Speaker 2: He talks about like us two spirit or whatever of
[18:14] Speaker 2: third genders and whatever. He talks about us that every
[18:17] Speaker 2: tribe they would go to it through a Catholic perspective.
[18:20] Speaker 2: There's the most revolting thing men just as women or whatever,
[18:23] Speaker 2: this kind of things. And then there's another from another
[18:26] Speaker 2: tribe that talked about in the book, like sort of
[18:28] Speaker 2: a bigfoot character that would come in to the dwellings
[18:33] Speaker 2: and they would have a scars, and that something was
[18:35] Speaker 2: coming in and ripping a certain organ or something out
[18:39] Speaker 2: of the body, so certain part of a body, and
[18:42] Speaker 2: it's explained in this book. I basically abaca. So it's
[18:45] Speaker 2: you know, this stuff has been around for a while.
[18:47] Speaker 1: But now, how do you get that name?
[18:49] Speaker 2: Huh that's a Spanish name. I don't know. And there's
[18:53] Speaker 2: the book and stuff.
[18:55] Speaker 1: It's good.
[18:56] Speaker 2: It's an audiobook. I really enjoyed it.
[18:57] Speaker 1: Oh, I love an audio book.
[18:59] Speaker 2: You know.
[18:59] Speaker 1: I have an e book coming out awesome. It's called
[19:02] Speaker 1: Peeing in an Empty Bottle. You can get it anywhere
[19:06] Speaker 1: you get audio books starting June twenty third.
[19:10] Speaker 2: It is.
[19:10] Speaker 1: It's about the the tour I did last year at
[19:14] Speaker 1: I did at fifty show tour. I drove myself across
[19:18] Speaker 1: America and now I'm doing an audio book simon a cheesetero.
[19:23] Speaker 2: Awesome and you're narrating it yourself.
[19:25] Speaker 1: Yes, But also I like recorded interviews with people and
[19:29] Speaker 1: you can like hear they're all part of awesome. It's
[19:32] Speaker 1: good to hear that. But okay, wait, so you were
[19:35] Speaker 1: just touching on like two spirit and all of that.
[19:40] Speaker 1: Do you think that there's a special spiritual or psychic
[19:47] Speaker 1: or however you want to look at it side to
[19:49] Speaker 1: people that are born somewhere.
[19:52] Speaker 2: Of course there is, yeah, I mean, of course there's
[19:54] Speaker 2: we see things on a different level. I myself, I
[19:56] Speaker 2: see both sides, male and female, you know. I mean
[20:00] Speaker 2: there's and I can relate with those different things. And
[20:04] Speaker 2: that's why I say I'm like a condo, and I
[20:05] Speaker 2: can help these guys come out or whatever, you know,
[20:08] Speaker 2: whatever they need to, or they can be themselves. Let's
[20:11] Speaker 2: just say be themselves tonight.
[20:14] Speaker 1: So we're talking about a piece of trade comes by.
[20:17] Speaker 1: I wouldn't say your spiritual side allows them to. I
[20:22] Speaker 1: would say they're innermost desired.
[20:25] Speaker 2: More like trick baby, trick baby from Iceberg slim Pimp. Okay,
[20:30] Speaker 2: I mean sort of that. I wouldn't say so much.
[20:32] Speaker 2: But it's a thing people feel very comfortable with me
[20:34] Speaker 2: and these young men do and stuff, so might as
[20:37] Speaker 2: well go with it.
[20:38] Speaker 1: Okay, you're doing a service to the straight male community,
[20:45] Speaker 1: that's what's going on. Why not they need help? So
[20:49] Speaker 1: good for you.
[20:50] Speaker 2: I seem to find the nice ones though.
[20:51] Speaker 1: Oh that's good. Yeah. I I personally believe that people
[21:00] Speaker 1: that live within the bier, like, you know, outside the
[21:04] Speaker 1: lines of the male female whatever. How do we want
[21:07] Speaker 1: to look at it? I think have an extra layer
[21:11] Speaker 1: of being an outsider and being able to look in
[21:18] Speaker 1: from the outside a little bit more and have a
[21:22] Speaker 1: very strong intuition and and and again it goes back
[21:28] Speaker 1: to like even indigenous cultures from all over the world
[21:34] Speaker 1: have said this for a long time.
[21:37] Speaker 2: It's about the connection and being able to connect with
[21:40] Speaker 2: earth and everything.
[21:42] Speaker 1: Yeah. Wait, so have you do you have like a
[21:48] Speaker 1: ghost story, like a good old school in factory spooky. Yes, yeah,
[21:55] Speaker 1: something to.
[21:55] Speaker 2: The effect of that down at that is called the
[21:57] Speaker 2: Red Lion, And it was in Houston, Texas. And then
[22:01] Speaker 2: we had some friends that had they were the owners
[22:02] Speaker 2: of this restaurant and it was a well known restaurant,
[22:05] Speaker 2: you know. But upstairs they had like a ca apartment
[22:10] Speaker 2: in there, and then people would live in there from
[22:12] Speaker 2: time to time, their nephew in fact, and then he
[22:16] Speaker 2: wasn't living there all the time, but we went up
[22:18] Speaker 2: there and they would have like they would store the
[22:19] Speaker 2: balloons and whatever they were for office stuff and all
[22:22] Speaker 2: that up there. But they had one of those baby
[22:25] Speaker 2: swinging chairs for the swinging for the babies. Oh, my
[22:29] Speaker 2: sister and I were up there just playing around, you know,
[22:31] Speaker 2: and they told us that there's some fishy business going
[22:34] Speaker 2: in there like that.
[22:35] Speaker 1: You know, what do you mean? They were like, just
[22:37] Speaker 1: so you know, there's ghosts.
[22:38] Speaker 2: Okay, have fun, there's some you know up there, you know.
[22:41] Speaker 2: And sure enough we were in there and the one
[22:44] Speaker 2: of you wind that chair up right, it's a wind
[22:46] Speaker 2: up kind Well, that thing just started going by itself,
[22:48] Speaker 2: that thing and swinging, okay, and we got out of there.
[22:52] Speaker 2: We said, we're out of here, my sister and I.
[22:54] Speaker 1: That's the thing with any baby related, anything adorable, there's
[23:00] Speaker 1: a baby there. If there's not a baby there, it's
[23:03] Speaker 1: the scariest thing in the world. You hear a little
[23:07] Speaker 1: and there's no baby in the room. Nightmare fuel.
[23:11] Speaker 2: You're not hoping it's like a Leprechaun.
[23:14] Speaker 1: Well, I do like those movies, Yeah, the Eleprechaun movies.
[23:18] Speaker 2: All those spooky ones.
[23:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, do you believe that Eleprechaun is real?
[23:24] Speaker 2: I'll tell you about trolls.
[23:26] Speaker 1: Oh you want to talk about troll Yeah, Oh, I
[23:29] Speaker 1: know a.
[23:29] Speaker 2: Few, Well, not those kind, I mean the quit cave
[23:33] Speaker 2: dwellers before before they were this, these people living in
[23:37] Speaker 2: caves and they would do their thing, and then the
[23:40] Speaker 2: Christians came along and they didn't want to practice Christianity,
[23:44] Speaker 2: so they started calling them trolls. That's how trolls got
[23:47] Speaker 2: their name.
[23:47] Speaker 1: That's where the first use of troll.
[23:50] Speaker 2: Came from, according to Wikipedia.
[23:55] Speaker 1: So it was Christian people that said, oh, you're not
[23:57] Speaker 1: like us. Okay, troll that's right interesting, that's what I found.
[24:01] Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like that's very similar origins to
[24:04] Speaker 1: like witches.
[24:05] Speaker 2: Too correct, right knowledged person? Hmmm, that was never a
[24:09] Speaker 2: warlock though. They said I could be a warlock for Halloween.
[24:12] Speaker 2: I said, I am not a warlock. I am a
[24:15] Speaker 2: witch robot.
[24:16] Speaker 1: You witch robot.
[24:18] Speaker 2: Because they insisted that I dress up like as a robot,
[24:20] Speaker 2: I said, I want to be a witch. They said
[24:22] Speaker 2: you have to be a robot or a warlock, and
[24:25] Speaker 2: I said, well, I'm a robot witch, which is our girls,
[24:28] Speaker 2: because no one's taking it away from me.
[24:30] Speaker 1: There you go.
[24:31] Speaker 2: I'm also versatile light way, you know, sure got to
[24:34] Speaker 2: take what you got and work with it.
[24:36] Speaker 1: That's life worse. That's what you tell the straight guys.
[24:39] Speaker 2: Huh, No, I don't tell them that I said, I
[24:42] Speaker 2: didn't ask you if you were gay or not.
[24:46] Speaker 1: You don't need to ask. Sometimes I can tell that.
[24:49] Speaker 2: Look, you know that look. You know who's sniffing or
[24:52] Speaker 2: who's got something special going on. You can tell the
[24:55] Speaker 2: boys that are oh well, okay, that one's going to
[24:57] Speaker 2: be cool or not exactly.
[24:59] Speaker 1: That's that into It's that that special gift of being
[25:04] Speaker 1: able to.
[25:06] Speaker 2: I see those looks. M M.
[25:09] Speaker 1: What do you think of Oiji boards?
[25:11] Speaker 2: Staying away from it?
[25:13] Speaker 1: Why?
[25:13] Speaker 2: I want to play that game?
[25:15] Speaker 1: Why not?
[25:15] Speaker 2: You're over there playing with Kelly and all them, right,
[25:17] Speaker 2: I love it? And she was weep the Wand did
[25:19] Speaker 2: she tell you about her Aidelweiss, the dog they had before,
[25:22] Speaker 2: and the ashes sitting on the counter.
[25:23] Speaker 1: I don't believe.
[25:24] Speaker 2: So, oh that's another story. I'll let her tell it
[25:26] Speaker 2: another time.
[25:27] Speaker 1: Okay, but it's still her thunder. So you don't like
[25:31] Speaker 1: a Oigi board?
[25:32] Speaker 2: No, I'm staying away from it.
[25:33] Speaker 1: Have you ever done one? I don't want it to, Okay.
[25:37] Speaker 2: I just still want to attract that kind of like
[25:39] Speaker 2: there was a time when I was even asked to
[25:41] Speaker 2: do sort of these investigations, but I wouldn't want to
[25:46] Speaker 2: be in it. In that because then you bring that
[25:48] Speaker 2: maybe that poultry geist with you or they can clean
[25:50] Speaker 2: on energies, clean on.
[25:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose, especially if it's you, because I think
[25:56] Speaker 1: the ghost would be like, oh my god, she seems
[25:58] Speaker 1: so fun. I want to go wherever she's going.
[26:00] Speaker 2: And tell you what I would like to do when
[26:02] Speaker 2: I'm when I expire just for six months, is be
[26:05] Speaker 2: a casper like ghost. Oh, the sexy straight couple's family.
[26:10] Speaker 1: It's kind of like, uh, like being an exchange student. Yes, okay,
[26:15] Speaker 1: so you want to be a ghost at a straight couples.
[26:19] Speaker 2: Of things to their feets and stuff, little things tickle
[26:22] Speaker 2: them and stuff and they're oh god, honey.
[26:24] Speaker 1: That is something I just learned.
[26:26] Speaker 2: The term shrimping shrimping sucking the toast.
[26:30] Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so you might be a shrimping ghost for
[26:32] Speaker 1: about six months.
[26:34] Speaker 2: Why wouldn't They wouldn't be anything moist, right, I mean,
[26:39] Speaker 2: unless it's like the slimer from a Ghost of Busters.
[26:43] Speaker 1: You could be a slim bab.
[26:44] Speaker 2: Also, I said, they call that babo so bubble like
[26:51] Speaker 2: in Spanish.
[26:53] Speaker 1: Okay, so you're not interested in going ghost hunting, you're
[26:57] Speaker 1: not interested in ouiji boards m M. Because you're you
[27:02] Speaker 1: think that possibly a spirit could go home with you?
[27:06] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I wouldn't want to know poultry guys
[27:08] Speaker 2: crawling up my ass, Pretend I'm a puppet, you know
[27:11] Speaker 2: what I mean?
[27:13] Speaker 1: Why not? That's not fun?
[27:14] Speaker 2: What would you want to do? Scratch yourself up? I've
[27:16] Speaker 2: seen those people do things and they're catatonic stupors.
[27:21] Speaker 1: I mean I do it a lot. Oh yeah, I
[27:26] Speaker 1: have not had anything crawl up my ass and go
[27:28] Speaker 1: home with me. Yeah, but I try to be specific
[27:36] Speaker 1: in my intentions.
[27:37] Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
[27:38] Speaker 1: Again, it's manifesting, right, do you want that to happen?
[27:42] Speaker 2: I say, Prince of Darkness, lead them to the light,
[27:46] Speaker 2: because I'm going to go into the dark and it'll
[27:48] Speaker 2: be over.
[27:48] Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne.
[27:50] Speaker 2: No, I never thought of him like that, but I
[27:52] Speaker 2: am with Ozzy Osbourne. Entertainment Weekly's best reality TV show
[27:55] Speaker 2: stars of the two thousands. I'm the only transvestite on there.
[27:59] Speaker 1: Are really congratulations.
[28:02] Speaker 2: I don't know about queer on there, but I know
[28:04] Speaker 2: I'm the only drag queen.
[28:05] Speaker 1: That's amazing.
[28:06] Speaker 2: The Kardashian so lord, you know I.
[28:09] Speaker 1: Own Ozzy Osbourne's former television Yeah, my friend Sam got
[28:16] Speaker 1: it from somebody who knew someone and they they were like,
[28:20] Speaker 1: oh do you want this TV? It used to be
[28:22] Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne's and then I needed a TV and now
[28:26] Speaker 1: my TV is Ozzy Osbourne.
[28:28] Speaker 2: Was that you feel famous looking through but it's not haunted.
[28:33] Speaker 2: I wish it would wanted to be haunted.
[28:35] Speaker 1: I don't know that might be interesting by Ozzy Osbourne.
[28:39] Speaker 1: What do you think of sleep paralysis?
[28:45] Speaker 2: Sleep paralysis like in certain zones of your sleep.
[28:49] Speaker 1: You know how sometimes people will say I woke up
[28:53] Speaker 1: and I couldn't move and my sleep paralysis demon there
[28:55] Speaker 1: was like a creature in my room.
[28:57] Speaker 2: Okay, I mean that can happen.
[29:00] Speaker 1: That's kind of what happened to you.
[29:02] Speaker 2: Transcendental meditation and stuff that can happen. I can wake
[29:07] Speaker 2: myself up from horror dreams, and I have a reoccurring dreams,
[29:10] Speaker 2: and then i can wake myself up from the dreams
[29:13] Speaker 2: and I've learned to reprogram the dreams.
[29:16] Speaker 1: Oh that's great.
[29:17] Speaker 2: One of my partners though, our buddies, is the one
[29:23] Speaker 2: that's the fire sign, right, and they're young, and there's
[29:26] Speaker 2: always kind of running, running, running, very social data. So
[29:28] Speaker 2: in my dream I'm always having these situations and we're
[29:32] Speaker 2: very close to me in this person. And then but
[29:35] Speaker 2: in the dream I had one where it was negative
[29:37] Speaker 2: and I went back to sleep and then I said, okay,
[29:40] Speaker 2: so I just thought positive. So then in the dream
[29:42] Speaker 2: I reprogrammed and went back into the dream, and then
[29:46] Speaker 2: I was Lucy Dulce was playing dud Say. She's a
[29:48] Speaker 2: Mexican singer. She's real popular. She just died. She was
[29:51] Speaker 2: on SIMPS and Lucy amn just treated her like crap.
[29:55] Speaker 2: Now Lucy Amenz is another story now. Then, but in
[29:59] Speaker 2: the dream, du Say was playing, and then I was
[30:01] Speaker 2: hugging my friend instead from behind and it was just
[30:03] Speaker 2: really pretty, you know. So and then I have another
[30:07] Speaker 2: dream with somebody else that was very close with as well.
[30:09] Speaker 2: And every time in that dream it was He's always
[30:14] Speaker 2: my protector in the dreams all the time. I'll be
[30:16] Speaker 2: searching for them and they're like, oh, he's over there,
[30:19] Speaker 2: and want a dream particular, Oh were the kids taking
[30:22] Speaker 2: care of some kids and they were the handicapped kids
[30:24] Speaker 2: and he was taking care of them in a swimming pool.
[30:28] Speaker 2: I mean, I've had several dreams with him, but you know,
[30:31] Speaker 2: there's always something good or another situation where he's leading
[30:33] Speaker 2: me through a problem.
[30:38] Speaker 1: Tammy Brown, Well, what do you think about that? I
[30:41] Speaker 1: love it, Tammy, I love I feel like we could
[30:45] Speaker 1: just wind you up and let you go like.
[30:47] Speaker 2: The energizer bunnies keeps on going.
[30:50] Speaker 1: Darris L. Maybe what do you think about curses? Do
[30:59] Speaker 1: you think people can put curses on someone? Of course, really, Yad.
[31:04] Speaker 2: I put somebody's name in a jar and put it
[31:07] Speaker 2: in the refrigerator and goodbye so long. Somebody even got cancer.
[31:11] Speaker 1: I don't know if I call that, But hang on
[31:13] Speaker 1: a second. So where do you get this recipe from
[31:17] Speaker 1: for a curse? So you put someone's name in a jar?
[31:22] Speaker 2: An insidious person, okay? And then in fact I did
[31:26] Speaker 2: it with it. It took a minute. But my mother
[31:28] Speaker 2: was in a relationship and with this one fella, and
[31:32] Speaker 2: then he he was he's a minister society and just
[31:36] Speaker 2: a horrible person playing games all the time. Said oh,
[31:38] Speaker 2: I'm fed up with this, and I put his name
[31:40] Speaker 2: in the jar. It's a little kind of okay, worry
[31:43] Speaker 2: about it. But I put his name in the jar
[31:45] Speaker 2: and then I froze it. And then after that my
[31:48] Speaker 2: mom actually broke up with him months later.
[31:52] Speaker 1: And then but how'd you come up with where'd you
[31:54] Speaker 1: find I've heard about it.
[31:55] Speaker 2: From a sister, and my sister had done this with
[31:58] Speaker 2: another chick once, and then I've heard about it, and
[32:02] Speaker 2: I decided to do it, and he did disappear, and
[32:04] Speaker 2: I mean, he's out of the picture for sure.
[32:06] Speaker 1: And then.
[32:09] Speaker 2: My mom has a wonderful husband now, Gordy Gordy, and
[32:13] Speaker 2: he's he's had the UFO encounters experience too, But that's
[32:17] Speaker 2: another story and my mom and all that. Miss wait,
[32:19] Speaker 2: I want to hear about that in the valley in Texas.
[32:21] Speaker 2: But anyways, but I did that, and then there was
[32:23] Speaker 2: another there's another queen that several of us actually put
[32:27] Speaker 2: this queen's name in a jar and what.
[32:31] Speaker 1: Hang on? You don't have to say names, but tell
[32:34] Speaker 1: me this. So there was a drag queen that was
[32:37] Speaker 1: bothering a bunch of other drag queens.
[32:39] Speaker 2: This person is the horrible person.
[32:41] Speaker 1: Okay.
[32:42] Speaker 2: You know, I'm pretty good at gaging people, and I
[32:45] Speaker 2: always observed there. And sometimes people might think like, oh,
[32:48] Speaker 2: they're being quiet and awkward. No, I'm actually just paying
[32:50] Speaker 2: attention to what's going on. And then I can introduce
[32:53] Speaker 2: myself to feeling your level or how you're gonna keep
[32:57] Speaker 2: what kind of jokes? I can land and I can
[32:59] Speaker 2: tell like the vibe for sure.
[33:01] Speaker 1: I always do that. So you said, ladies, I know
[33:06] Speaker 1: how we'll get rid of her. Let's all write her
[33:09] Speaker 1: name down on a piece of paper.
[33:11] Speaker 2: I did my own, and then another friend did that
[33:15] Speaker 2: to them as well, and they okay, they put soil
[33:19] Speaker 2: in that one. Somebody spit in one, and what happened
[33:23] Speaker 2: to her? They are just ravaged there. It is a
[33:29] Speaker 2: bad you know, there's people that are just bad. Like
[33:31] Speaker 2: sometimes you wish you could do that to some of
[33:33] Speaker 2: these people that are directing us.
[33:38] Speaker 1: Now do you going back to you know, calm and
[33:41] Speaker 1: treat others the way you want to be treated. Now,
[33:44] Speaker 1: if it's a bad person, how do you feel about that?
[33:47] Speaker 2: I'm just glad that they're not around me anymore.
[33:49] Speaker 1: Sure, you know so, Ultimately, that's what you've done, is
[33:54] Speaker 1: ice them out of your life or whatever. But not
[33:58] Speaker 1: like physically hard.
[34:00] Speaker 2: No, I would never do that. I mean, that's not
[34:02] Speaker 2: that's not the goal either way. That's just how the
[34:04] Speaker 2: cookie crumbled with this person.
[34:06] Speaker 1: They got physically harmed.
[34:08] Speaker 2: They seem to be yeah, but I mean as they're
[34:10] Speaker 2: come up.
[34:11] Speaker 1: And m Please don't put my name ever in a
[34:15] Speaker 1: I would do that, darling. What's the point and anyone listening,
[34:19] Speaker 1: I am jar resistant.
[34:20] Speaker 2: Do not do it? There you go, Torch.
[34:25] Speaker 1: So you to answer the question, you believe that you
[34:28] Speaker 1: can put a curse on someone?
[34:30] Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's if our minds mind control, and
[34:33] Speaker 2: our minds you do things you want that out or
[34:37] Speaker 2: whatever you project that you know it's gonna something's gonna
[34:41] Speaker 2: give and take.
[34:42] Speaker 1: Now do you believe that you can uh ward it
[34:47] Speaker 1: off with your mind? Of course?
[34:49] Speaker 2: And it's even proven with the what is this? Uh
[34:54] Speaker 2: sage cleans the air, cleans, talksins bugs and you know,
[34:58] Speaker 2: things like that out. Why not do it with a
[35:01] Speaker 2: little bay leaf?
[35:02] Speaker 1: See now, when you say this, what about if you
[35:06] Speaker 1: go and play a Wigi.
[35:07] Speaker 2: Board, I'm not playing Wigi board.
[35:10] Speaker 1: You do a little sage, you say, nothing's going home
[35:12] Speaker 1: with me.
[35:13] Speaker 2: I don't want to do Wigi boy.
[35:15] Speaker 1: You know I'm not just not for me. It's okay,
[35:17] Speaker 1: you don't have to.
[35:17] Speaker 2: I don't play that game. But I flush the commode.
[35:20] Speaker 2: But it's gotta go down, you know.
[35:22] Speaker 1: But just going back to when you say it, like
[35:24] Speaker 1: you don't want something to follow you home or whatever
[35:27] Speaker 1: that I believe I'm aligned with you on all of
[35:30] Speaker 1: this where i think you're not coming home with me,
[35:34] Speaker 1: I'm not letting you. I'm gonna cleanse myself and I'm
[35:37] Speaker 1: leaving this and I believe that.
[35:40] Speaker 2: And I'm like a vampire. You know, I have to
[35:42] Speaker 2: be invited in Ah. You know they're down there doing
[35:45] Speaker 2: that route, all this route all that. They don't invite
[35:48] Speaker 2: meet anything. I'm not just gonna show myself up there,
[35:50] Speaker 2: you know.
[35:53] Speaker 1: So, Okay, your family has encountered UFOs. You know, sometimes
[35:58] Speaker 1: people say that they that this is like a family thing,
[36:03] Speaker 1: like some aliens. I don't know where they're from or
[36:07] Speaker 1: what their deal is, but they there's families that believe that,
[36:12] Speaker 1: like the whole family is contacted.
[36:15] Speaker 2: Well, it's most definitely it's the Grays or something like that.
[36:18] Speaker 1: Sure, So what has happened to your family members?
[36:22] Speaker 2: My mom would see them in the valley. There's in
[36:24] Speaker 2: the valley in Texas, it's called the bodies of water
[36:28] Speaker 2: called Rosakas, and they use those two arrogate and then
[36:32] Speaker 2: she had seen them around there. She's even seen that
[36:34] Speaker 2: she'd like the aircraft so to speak. And then she
[36:37] Speaker 2: had seen with the men in black. She's seen the
[36:41] Speaker 2: men in black pull up before in the black car
[36:43] Speaker 2: limousine stop down the country roads.
[36:46] Speaker 1: They never stopped at her place though, no, but.
[36:49] Speaker 2: They would be there. And my dad has these bizarre
[36:51] Speaker 2: ideas that or he's even had dreams. He could really
[36:54] Speaker 2: get into having this kind of ideas, but he doesn't
[36:57] Speaker 2: get into it. But he had a dream one night
[37:00] Speaker 2: there was a fire, and sure enough in the barn
[37:03] Speaker 2: there was a fire out there. Ooh, premonition, premonition, so
[37:07] Speaker 2: to speak.
[37:08] Speaker 1: But so you were saying that your mom's husband now
[37:11] Speaker 1: has also.
[37:12] Speaker 2: Yes, Gordie was out doing his job in a country
[37:16] Speaker 2: road in Texas and there was all the cars were
[37:18] Speaker 2: all lined up and they were all staring up at
[37:21] Speaker 2: the spacecraft and they didn't say anything to each other,
[37:26] Speaker 2: and then when it left, they just all got in
[37:28] Speaker 2: the car and left. And he's actually gone in to
[37:30] Speaker 2: look and find other people and he put in the
[37:36] Speaker 2: exact place location, but nobody has come out to talk
[37:38] Speaker 2: about it. But he said there was a line of
[37:40] Speaker 2: cars and all this.
[37:41] Speaker 1: Oh wow.
[37:42] Speaker 2: And he believes too that there's a piece of metal
[37:45] Speaker 2: in his body. He actually believes in all that. I mean,
[37:47] Speaker 2: this is his story. I don't I hope I'm not
[37:49] Speaker 2: exploiting them whatever.
[37:51] Speaker 1: No, you know, we don't know who this is really because.
[37:56] Speaker 2: That's their story. I don't want to be invasive. But
[37:58] Speaker 2: and people get worried about that stuff.
[37:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I understand. We talk about alien abduction and
[38:05] Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff on this show. We certainly
[38:07] Speaker 1: have over the years.
[38:10] Speaker 2: If they take me, I don't want to know. You
[38:12] Speaker 2: don't even want to know, you know, if they're in
[38:14] Speaker 2: their poconet, you and stuff, get out of here. I
[38:16] Speaker 2: read that what was that book?
[38:18] Speaker 1: Communion?
[38:19] Speaker 2: I had to put that damn thing down.
[38:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, spooky.
[38:22] Speaker 2: Those are more like the reptilian kind, or there's different
[38:25] Speaker 2: kinds in there.
[38:25] Speaker 1: There seems like there's a lot of different space.
[38:27] Speaker 2: And then there's the one that's there's like an AI kind.
[38:30] Speaker 2: And if you think of this kind of back and forward,
[38:33] Speaker 2: the robotic ones, because there's different species. There's one that's
[38:36] Speaker 2: like a prayingmantis. There's one, so there's the bigfoot one whatever.
[38:41] Speaker 2: So I mean, it's anything as possible. But I haven't
[38:44] Speaker 2: seen any myself, Like I said, just a talk that
[38:46] Speaker 2: toggle looking thing. But I believe anything is possible. But
[38:50] Speaker 2: I have an idea. What if we have created the
[38:52] Speaker 2: AI thing, you know, and then since there's relatively in space,
[38:57] Speaker 2: relatively in space, there's no time right where on this
[39:01] Speaker 2: planet we invented time. The Greeks and whatever, we've invented this, sure,
[39:08] Speaker 2: and everybody's forced onto this time, but there's really no time.
[39:12] Speaker 2: It's something we've created, right, So if we can go
[39:15] Speaker 2: back and forward in time and space and this believe that,
[39:19] Speaker 2: why don't we Maybe we created this before and now
[39:22] Speaker 2: it's here and we've created now, and then it's you know,
[39:25] Speaker 2: here to haunt us, so to speak. Ooh well, I
[39:29] Speaker 2: mean there's something else. Those things do not give Alexa
[39:32] Speaker 2: your you know, the garbage disposal, She'll turn that thing.
[39:35] Speaker 2: I'll want your hands in there.
[39:37] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[39:38] Speaker 2: I've seen the sci fi films before.
[39:40] Speaker 1: Oh god, that is all so scary.
[39:42] Speaker 2: There's the one sci fi movie I remember seeing on
[39:44] Speaker 2: the sci Fi channel back in the nineties, and it
[39:47] Speaker 2: was like, what was it? It was like the robot
[39:50] Speaker 2: fell in love with the husband and the house and
[39:53] Speaker 2: his friend was they were jet pilots or something, and
[39:57] Speaker 2: blew up one of the aircrafts. He was in warcraft.
[39:59] Speaker 2: He was in the best friends playing got in the
[40:02] Speaker 2: computer system, and I think it's kind of funny these
[40:05] Speaker 2: cars that you can't roll the window down on your
[40:07] Speaker 2: own and can unlock the car on your own.
[40:11] Speaker 1: People don't even drive these things now now they've got
[40:14] Speaker 1: the robots drive you. It's too scary. I mean, I
[40:20] Speaker 1: don't know they're smart. I just watched a video of
[40:22] Speaker 1: somebody that was like calling out their Siri because their
[40:26] Speaker 1: Siri said something that they never told her before from
[40:29] Speaker 1: their personal life, and they're like, how did you know that?
[40:32] Speaker 1: She's like, I'm sorry, that was a mistake, and he's like, no,
[40:37] Speaker 1: where did you hear that?
[40:38] Speaker 2: We asked Alexa too, because my father, I mean my stepdad,
[40:42] Speaker 2: he's funny. We talked about everything in the house and
[40:45] Speaker 2: then but she's been listening for the past six years
[40:48] Speaker 2: that we've all been together, and I'm like, well, you're fucked.
[40:51] Speaker 2: He's I'm fucking me.
[40:52] Speaker 1: I fuck you, he tells her.
[40:55] Speaker 2: But I think that since I'm chanting and stuff, So
[40:57] Speaker 2: what I've been doing is he listening. The phone's device
[40:59] Speaker 2: is listening. There's lots of Doku, and then they're going
[41:02] Speaker 2: to be changing their minds as well. For coos and
[41:05] Speaker 2: Rufu World Peace. Well, I mean, if you put the vibration,
[41:09] Speaker 2: it's all about vibrations. So maybe if we can do
[41:11] Speaker 2: something like that, but I think it's not really good.
[41:14] Speaker 2: And I know that they just fired all those people
[41:16] Speaker 2: from Disney because of AI and what's going on as entertainers.
[41:21] Speaker 1: And it's moving quick, it's moving so fast. Can I
[41:28] Speaker 1: show you something that's one hundred percent real?
[41:31] Speaker 2: Whatever it takes?
[41:32] Speaker 1: A haunted doll for sale on eBay Okay, it's time
[41:37] Speaker 1: for the dolls are living, okay, So Tammy, I'm obsessed
[41:46] Speaker 1: with this idea that they sell haunted dolls on eBay. Okay.
[41:51] Speaker 1: There's thousands of them at all times, and I type
[41:54] Speaker 1: it in and I try to find one that I think,
[41:56] Speaker 1: then I think will suit my guest. This is that's
[42:00] Speaker 1: one name Ramone, Oh, Ramone, ram Ayala. This is Ramone.
[42:08] Speaker 1: He's currently going for forty three dollars. Okay, giha show
[42:12] Speaker 1: us Ramone? Please? There's Ramone.
[42:17] Speaker 2: Oh he's adorable. What's he going to do for you?
[42:19] Speaker 1: He's absolutely adorable. He's got a little mustache that I
[42:23] Speaker 1: don't believe. I think the mustache is penciled on real
[42:29] Speaker 1: pretty well.
[42:30] Speaker 2: What's it supposed to do. That's so haunting.
[42:32] Speaker 1: He's got some rouge cheeks. Okay, Well, first of all,
[42:36] Speaker 1: it comes with like sort of a backstory when they
[42:38] Speaker 1: sell these. It says this doll was purchased at a
[42:42] Speaker 1: downtown antique store near Santa Barbara when I was on
[42:46] Speaker 1: vacation last year. It said that he had a Latin
[42:50] Speaker 1: American accent, unrivaled charisma that was sexually irresistible, and I
[42:58] Speaker 1: felt like he was flirting. I sensed his interest in
[43:01] Speaker 1: me was platonic and that he was playing with me,
[43:05] Speaker 1: but somehow it didn't matter. Oh, he friendzoned this person.
[43:10] Speaker 1: So he was born in Mexico. He moved to Los
[43:12] Speaker 1: Angeles during the Mexican Revolution's doll. Yeah, the ghost inside
[43:17] Speaker 1: of this doll. He was handsome, naturally romantic, and talented.
[43:24] Speaker 1: He became an actor in the twenties in silent films.
[43:29] Speaker 1: He was gay when it was unspeakable and kept behind
[43:33] Speaker 1: closed doors, but he remained the pretense of being a
[43:40] Speaker 1: hot Latin lover. It does go into all the sexual
[43:45] Speaker 1: things he's into. It says he's been hopeful that a
[43:50] Speaker 1: few more fun experiences are in store for him, and
[43:53] Speaker 1: he's seeking a willing playmate. He wants a lover to
[43:58] Speaker 1: have a supernatural sexual relationship with He's a dream walker,
[44:03] Speaker 1: so he can go into your dreams and he appears
[44:07] Speaker 1: as his handsome self. He has telepathy and can speak
[44:12] Speaker 1: to you. He says, this is a call to total
[44:17] Speaker 1: seduction and unfathomable lust.
[44:21] Speaker 2: All right, well, since you got that little doll over there,
[44:25] Speaker 2: you can just hook them up. They're gonna have a
[44:26] Speaker 2: good time.
[44:27] Speaker 1: The one that's little, mean, little you. Oh, that would
[44:30] Speaker 1: be cute. Yeah, this is a very long bio here,
[44:34] Speaker 1: but basically, if you buy him and his quote voracious
[44:40] Speaker 1: sexual apathetite. Oh, he also wants to grow a harem.
[44:45] Speaker 2: Why don't you just get a little what do they
[44:47] Speaker 2: call those that? Like, once you get one of those
[44:49] Speaker 2: little voodoo dolls of New Orleans and masturb with it.
[44:53] Speaker 1: Hey, that's one way to get the job done.
[44:56] Speaker 2: I mean, I look at that little pathetic This person
[45:01] Speaker 2: is making me sick, right, and a whole monologue a story.
[45:05] Speaker 2: Probably got it from AI, who knows what they're doing
[45:07] Speaker 2: these It's.
[45:07] Speaker 1: Very possible they didn't get this from AI.
[45:10] Speaker 2: Trying to some hopeful pervert trying to get them hooked
[45:14] Speaker 2: on a satanic.
[45:15] Speaker 1: Doll Oh you think it's Satana. I don't know.
[45:17] Speaker 2: I make it up.
[45:20] Speaker 1: But do you believe that this is real at all?
[45:22] Speaker 2: No? Do you believe that's real? Forty dollars for that
[45:26] Speaker 2: kind of inexperience.
[45:27] Speaker 1: That's Ramone and Ramon.
[45:29] Speaker 2: It should be a million dollars. If it's going to
[45:31] Speaker 2: shock you down like that, you can make some extra money.
[45:33] Speaker 2: Oh but if you can sell that to some TV
[45:36] Speaker 2: show for quarter million dollars.
[45:38] Speaker 1: Well, I mean first I would need to have Ramon
[45:42] Speaker 1: next to my bed and see what kind of.
[45:45] Speaker 2: I've worked with Madam the puppet. She says she was
[45:47] Speaker 2: with Pinocchio, right, uh huh, and she told Pinocchio, lie,
[45:53] Speaker 2: motherfucker lie, so his nose would grow long. You know. Okay,
[45:57] Speaker 2: we think about that.
[45:59] Speaker 1: Can I play you some ghost voices? Sure, it's time
[46:03] Speaker 1: for EVP or ev please? Have you ever heard the
[46:10] Speaker 1: term EVP. It's electronic voice phenomenal. It's when people believe
[46:15] Speaker 1: they've captured a ghost speaking.
[46:17] Speaker 2: Oh godness, very ghostbusters.
[46:19] Speaker 1: Very ghostbusters. So on YouTube you can find thousands of them,
[46:25] Speaker 1: and I have found two that I want to play
[46:29] Speaker 1: for you, and I want you to tell me what
[46:30] Speaker 1: you hear and then I'm going to give you an
[46:33] Speaker 1: abc D. One of them is what the person that
[46:36] Speaker 1: posted it believes the ghost is saying. Okay, uh, these
[46:40] Speaker 1: were posted by Paranormal Distortion and uh. It was captured
[46:46] Speaker 1: at the Oak Grove Cemetery in Yoakum, Texas. Yokum you
[46:52] Speaker 1: know Yokum White Yoakam as a singer that is a
[46:55] Speaker 1: country singer, right, Okay, I prefer a low love it.
[46:58] Speaker 1: Here we go. What is this ghost saying.
[47:07] Speaker 2: It's saying that the leaves are being raked outside.
[47:10] Speaker 1: Well, guess there's that. But then there's a little voice
[47:13] Speaker 1: listen in.
[47:18] Speaker 2: Oh, I knew Cynthia.
[47:20] Speaker 1: That's what you think it's saying.
[47:21] Speaker 2: It said, I knew Cynthia. Cynthia. See, I knew Cynthia.
[47:29] Speaker 1: You know that's not what paranormal distortion thought.
[47:31] Speaker 2: They thought I'm gonna kill you. I know they want
[47:34] Speaker 2: to think all that kind of hugli poogly stuff. It
[47:37] Speaker 2: could be a nice ghost, you never.
[47:38] Speaker 1: Know, not so hoogly poogly. Now did they think it
[47:42] Speaker 1: was A I'm on a first date. B you're perverted?
[47:50] Speaker 1: C Happy birthday?
[47:53] Speaker 2: Oh, I love happy birthday?
[47:55] Speaker 1: Or D I'm not gay?
[47:58] Speaker 2: Oh I'm not gay.
[47:59] Speaker 1: I hear that for Okay, it's one of those.
[48:04] Speaker 2: It's like just shut up and lay there. I'm not gay,
[48:08] Speaker 2: and it's like, shut up, enjoy yourself.
[48:10] Speaker 1: What they think? It's happy birthday? Listen, I can kind
[48:13] Speaker 1: of hear it. Oh, good, have birthday. Okay, here's one more,
[48:19] Speaker 1: posted by the same people, same place. What is this saying?
[48:29] Speaker 2: It's just like crunching leaves again.
[48:31] Speaker 1: Definitely some leave crunching happening. But listen, this one's a
[48:35] Speaker 1: little bit of like a longer.
[48:40] Speaker 2: They're crunching on some apples.
[48:44] Speaker 1: Well, let me give you some options. Did they think
[48:51] Speaker 1: that this ghost was saying A, I don't know, it
[48:57] Speaker 1: seems legit, b y. I doubt that you're even scared,
[49:04] Speaker 1: see I'm driving in again? Or d wait, what you're
[49:12] Speaker 1: a brick? Really? F they think that it is saying,
[49:19] Speaker 1: see I'm driving in again. Okay, let's listen for that. No,
[49:29] Speaker 1: I'm not buying it, Tammy. This is why you need
[49:31] Speaker 1: to go ghost busting.
[49:32] Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what I did do what you do?
[49:35] Speaker 2: Dream about dead people? Tell me all the time they
[49:39] Speaker 2: come into my dreams. Who people that passed away, like
[49:42] Speaker 2: Miss Luigi and who else came into my Miss Luigi,
[49:46] Speaker 2: she was my choir teacher. But when people will die,
[49:48] Speaker 2: they'll usually come into my dreams and visit. There was
[49:50] Speaker 2: a student he'd in my high school. He croped, and
[49:53] Speaker 2: then he was sitting there like kind of like a
[49:55] Speaker 2: zombie would say, he is sitting there, not like spooky
[49:58] Speaker 2: zombie blood or anything, but just sitting there in the
[50:01] Speaker 2: restaurant lat To Hanata by the bay, I remember in
[50:03] Speaker 2: my dream. And then always and people will come and
[50:07] Speaker 2: visit me in the dream.
[50:08] Speaker 1: Wow, you know who croaked the frog that attacked your grandmother?
[50:15] Speaker 2: I guess.
[50:18] Speaker 1: So that's fascinating. So you've had many visitations from the
[50:22] Speaker 1: other side, and you don't think it's just a dream,
[50:24] Speaker 1: like you you think it really is a why not?
[50:27] Speaker 1: I mean you can.
[50:28] Speaker 2: I mean it's nice, it's reassuring. I had one dream
[50:31] Speaker 2: with Barnie, my dear friend. She was in there and
[50:33] Speaker 2: she croaked and then but she of course we're talking
[50:36] Speaker 2: about this, but she she came into my dream to
[50:38] Speaker 2: tell me kind of butchered up, stopped crying so much
[50:41] Speaker 2: for her.
[50:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, or the biggest death of my life.
[50:44] Speaker 2: Then she's a cool one.
[50:47] Speaker 1: That's sweeze. Well, Tammy, that's it. That's it. That's the
[50:51] Speaker 1: whole thing. So thank you so much for taking the
[50:55] Speaker 1: time to come on here. Can you tell the people
[50:58] Speaker 1: where to find you, where to see you, what you
[51:00] Speaker 1: got going on?
[51:01] Speaker 2: Come see me Provincetown, Massachusetts.
[51:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you there? The whole season?
[51:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, starting June seventeenth through September thirteenth, and I'll be
[51:09] Speaker 2: back for Spooky Bear. And then you can also check
[51:12] Speaker 2: out all the new music that we've been releasing in
[51:15] Speaker 2: music videos, Nicked as a Jaybird, one of a Living
[51:18] Speaker 2: for the new show Bonkers, and there's another one coming
[51:21] Speaker 2: out Suspicious Behavior, and then this can be come out
[51:26] Speaker 2: very soon. But this and my YouTube channel is Tammy
[51:29] Speaker 2: Brown and stuff like that, and Planet Tammy's my Instagram,
[51:33] Speaker 2: and then I have that TikTok.
[51:35] Speaker 1: Sure I'm alive, she's everywhere. Well I will. I'll see
[51:42] Speaker 1: you in Provincetown. I'll be there too. And do you
[51:44] Speaker 1: do those ghost of tours, the ghost tours in Provincetown.
[51:48] Speaker 1: I'm not a big ghost tour person.
[51:51] Speaker 2: No.
[51:51] Speaker 1: I I want to just go inside of a building
[51:56] Speaker 1: on my own and try to find because it's provisable.
[52:00] Speaker 2: Does have such a strong energy being that it's on
[52:02] Speaker 2: the peninsula, and sometimes there might be like there's a
[52:05] Speaker 2: lot of energy there, so there's some sadness there as well.
[52:09] Speaker 2: A lot of people off themselves commit suicide recently or
[52:13] Speaker 2: die and then different things like that been going on,
[52:16] Speaker 2: and then the indigenous people with all that.
[52:19] Speaker 1: Raja had a story one time on this podcast about
[52:22] Speaker 1: feeling some energies and province tone.
[52:26] Speaker 2: It is what it is.
[52:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, anyway, thank you for doing this. Thank you
[52:33] Speaker 1: all right, wrap it up. Thank you Tammy Brown. She
[52:39] Speaker 1: is an experience and we all just got to experience
[52:43] Speaker 1: her together. Wasn't that something? Well, thank you to Sammy Brown.
[52:48] Speaker 1: Thank you to all of you for listening. I love
[52:51] Speaker 1: you all, both living and dead. But if I didn't
[52:54] Speaker 1: ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me came back.
[53:05] Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production. Want to share
[53:08] Speaker 1: your paranormal experience on the podcast. I read stories out
[53:12] Speaker 1: loud and sometimes I'll even call you, so email me
[53:16] Speaker 1: at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. You can
[53:20] Speaker 1: send a DM or voice message to the show's Instagram
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[53:36] Speaker 1: senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is
[53:41] Speaker 1: the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound
[53:46] Speaker 1: designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is
[53:51] Speaker 1: the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. My theme music is by the
[53:55] Speaker 1: spine shilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the spooky Vanessa Lilac.
[54:04] Speaker 1: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the
[54:10] Speaker 1: chilling Karen Kilgareff, the spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the
[54:16] Speaker 1: frightening Danielle Kramer. Listen to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez on
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