# JA RULE TELLS ALL:WAS NEVER SIGNED TO MURDER INC, IRS JAIL TIME, FYRE FESTIVAL, & 30 MILLION RECORDS

An episode of [Earn Your Leisure](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1450211392), 16 Jul 2026, 1 h 25 min.

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Ja Rule joins Earn Your Leisure for one of his most revealing interviews ever. From creating some of the biggest anthems in hip-hop history to breaking down the rise of Murder Inc., Ja shares untold stories about his career, the business of music, and the lessons he learned through success, controversy, and reinvention. He opens up about being discovered by Def Jam, why he was never actually signed to Murder Inc., his silent partner role in the label, the truth behind his melodic style, writing for R&B artists, the story behind “Ain’t It Funny,” the canceled Jay-Z, Diddy & Ja Rule tour, and the deal that will return ownership of his masters. He also reflects on the Fyre Festival, the Murder Inc. federal investigation, his tax case, and why he believes hip-hop needs to show more respect to its legends. If you’re a fan of hip-hop history, music business, ownership, and one of rap’s most influential artists, this is an episode you don’t want to miss. #EarnYourLeisure #JaRule #HipHop #MurderInc #DefJam #JayZ #Nas #MusicBusiness #RapHistory #HipHopCulture #Podcast #Ownership #Masters #NewYorkHipHop #FyreFestivalSubscribe and watch more videos here: https://www.youtube.com/@EarnYourLeisure Join the EYL community for deeper training and a more detailed approach: https://www.eyluniversity.com Join the number one stock club in the world: https://www.ianinvest.com Invest Fest | August 7-9, 2026 Grab early bird tickets now: https://www.investfest.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Your rules and anoma, And I'm gonna tell you why
[0:02] Speaker 1: I'm an anomaly because of what I created. That style
[0:06] Speaker 1: is still very relevant today. Niggas is still doing what
[0:09] Speaker 1: I was doing twenty years ago.
[0:10] Speaker 2: Now.
[0:11] Speaker 1: Being on Death Jam at that time is like being
[0:12] Speaker 1: on motime. It's like the dream label to fucking be on.
[0:15] Speaker 1: In that time, Mehan Mary's video was going on, so
[0:18] Speaker 1: we came up with this diabolical plan. Every time that
[0:21] Speaker 1: video plays, you don't order our video, so we get
[0:24] Speaker 1: the trickle down one hook. Still watching that video, maybe
[0:26] Speaker 1: they'll watch our little shit.
[0:28] Speaker 3: How does it feel to have a signature record for
[0:31] Speaker 3: New York City at a time like this?
[0:33] Speaker 1: Yo, I don't think there's no feeling like having an
[0:35] Speaker 1: anthem for your city.
[0:36] Speaker 4: So when you hear these conversations about who originated that,
[0:40] Speaker 4: what's your take on it?
[0:40] Speaker 1: Everybody can rapin to make hit record? Can you write
[0:43] Speaker 1: hit records? They did a poll or who had the
[0:45] Speaker 1: best verse, and everybody was a jib. But people don't
[0:48] Speaker 1: team me as the best rapper. You have one of
[0:50] Speaker 1: the greatest catalogs. A lot of people have sold their catalogs.
[0:52] Speaker 1: I'm sure that conversation has approached you how do you
[0:54] Speaker 1: see it? My catalog is work a lot. I'm getting
[0:57] Speaker 1: great offers. I only want to taste a little bit
[0:59] Speaker 1: of it.
[1:00] Speaker 2: Though. You still feel that passion to still create music.
[1:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, I still do. I gotta get inspired now. I
[1:05] Speaker 1: just kind of do it is therapy. Hip hop. Shit
[1:07] Speaker 1: is cool, live, e die, breathe hip hop. But there's
[1:10] Speaker 1: another side to it. If tomorrow was a place that
[1:13] Speaker 1: we all had to be, you know how many people
[1:15] Speaker 1: wouldn't make it?
[1:17] Speaker 2: All right?
[1:18] Speaker 5: Gosh, welcome back. I got a special guest.
[1:21] Speaker 2: You're not playing so Jo something other? Man? What's happening? Man? Yeah, man,
[1:26] Speaker 2: we happy to have you. Man, long overdue.
[1:28] Speaker 1: Man.
[1:28] Speaker 2: We run into each other so many times. Yeah. Yeah,
[1:31] Speaker 2: at this moment, it feels fitting for sure.
[1:34] Speaker 3: So before we start, we gotta you know, we on
[1:36] Speaker 3: this high from the Knicks right now. So yeah, yeah,
[1:38] Speaker 3: you have created the anthem for not just like New
[1:42] Speaker 3: York City has become a New York City.
[1:43] Speaker 5: There's a few New York City anthems, but you might
[1:46] Speaker 5: be that's the one.
[1:47] Speaker 2: Don't nothing feel like that?
[1:48] Speaker 1: I got a nause that embodies New York like the
[1:53] Speaker 1: one all over.
[1:53] Speaker 2: The records are great, don't yeat wrong.
[1:56] Speaker 1: But everybody wants to feel like, yo, I got a
[1:59] Speaker 1: hundred guns, don't don't play with us. It's the grid
[2:03] Speaker 1: of it, it's the.
[2:04] Speaker 2: State of mind.
[2:05] Speaker 4: People may argue, but I'm like, it's a great song,
[2:07] Speaker 4: it's his number one record.
[2:08] Speaker 1: But like when you hear that, this is this is
[2:12] Speaker 1: the beat, it's everything.
[2:15] Speaker 5: It's just it's everything that goes into it.
[2:17] Speaker 2: Kids had the moment with it. Yeah, verse that way and.
[2:21] Speaker 3: That solidified the spot because shout out to camp. But
[2:25] Speaker 3: if you remember, the verses played in New York, Welcome
[2:29] Speaker 3: to New York. So that was a big record. That's
[2:31] Speaker 3: the moment.
[2:32] Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I'm at home watching the
[2:34] Speaker 1: verses my men's. We had a bunch of people at
[2:37] Speaker 1: the crib watching the verses. We have you know, like
[2:40] Speaker 1: a versus party versus the type ship going on the crib.
[2:43] Speaker 2: So we had a truck board no no, no, no
[2:49] Speaker 2: no no, So we got it. It wasn't trouble. It
[2:51] Speaker 2: was like a you know, uh, you know, like a
[2:53] Speaker 2: white boy, like white boy. So the white boy.
[2:56] Speaker 1: So everybody before the verses, everybody picked they thought it
[3:00] Speaker 1: was gonna win.
[3:01] Speaker 2: And you should have seen.
[3:06] Speaker 1: I picked up my pen, I said, man, I said,
[3:09] Speaker 1: I must have forgot all of the records that pull
[3:12] Speaker 1: out the bag the Benjamins. I said, it's so many
[3:15] Speaker 1: records everybody. So then they start going off and they
[3:20] Speaker 1: start going off. And in that moment when when when
[3:25] Speaker 1: I think it was Jules, Jules was like what we
[3:27] Speaker 1: we you know, saying we got to New York whatever.
[3:29] Speaker 1: He said something like something about New York and we did,
[3:32] Speaker 1: and I said, kiss, now is the time I'm saying
[3:40] Speaker 1: it been the party my mind, like right now, because
[3:43] Speaker 1: they did they New York. I said, if kids puts
[3:46] Speaker 1: this on right now and he's going to destroy the
[3:48] Speaker 1: whole thing.
[3:49] Speaker 2: And then he went into his whole speech and I
[3:53] Speaker 2: ain't from it.
[3:56] Speaker 1: Out side, from outside you know what it is? I said, Yo,
[4:00] Speaker 1: it gave me goosebumps.
[4:02] Speaker 2: I was in the crib, like you know what I'm saying.
[4:05] Speaker 2: It was that's the New York. It was the ring
[4:07] Speaker 2: side bro watching it.
[4:10] Speaker 3: So how does it feel to have that, because like
[4:12] Speaker 3: Frank Sinatra, he had it for forty years, How does
[4:15] Speaker 3: it feel to have a signature record for New York
[4:20] Speaker 3: City at a time like this, Yo's I.
[4:23] Speaker 1: Don't think there's no feeling like having an anthem for
[4:26] Speaker 1: your city, you know what I'm saying, Like when you
[4:29] Speaker 1: listen to California Love, you know what I'm saying, or
[4:33] Speaker 1: to live and die in l A.
[4:34] Speaker 2: But like those are anthems that have lived forever for LA.
[4:41] Speaker 1: So to have that for the mecca, it's like, yeah, my.
[4:51] Speaker 2: Streams is upbly every year.
[4:55] Speaker 1: This is what it's going to look like.
[4:59] Speaker 4: That song was so I never forget you had the
[5:01] Speaker 4: Yankee jacket on it there. I immediately had to find
[5:05] Speaker 4: I got that jacket. Oh yeah on that video.
[5:07] Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I brought it back out and I was like, damn,
[5:09] Speaker 2: don't fit the same? Yeah? Nah, Man New York.
[5:14] Speaker 1: You know it's so dope about sports and I and
[5:18] Speaker 1: and with this Knixt run, it made me understand l
[5:22] Speaker 1: A pride. LA. They city got pride like NEWOFLK City,
[5:27] Speaker 1: New York. We used to have that kind of pride. Bude,
[5:29] Speaker 1: we got of lost along the way. But LA like
[5:33] Speaker 1: the pride for they rappers, the pride for the like
[5:36] Speaker 1: the pride they had for their cities like no other.
[5:39] Speaker 1: And I was I always used to wonder, like why
[5:42] Speaker 1: they So I said, man, no white love in LA
[5:45] Speaker 1: like l a niggas, you know what I'm saying. But
[5:47] Speaker 1: then it dawned on me with this run they got
[5:51] Speaker 1: eighteen championships with the Lakers. Yeah, that's city pride over
[5:57] Speaker 1: generations that they were building. That that that pride, that
[6:01] Speaker 1: camaraderie throughout the city that we are experiencing right now.
[6:06] Speaker 1: I'm looking, I'm watching my kids go to go to
[6:08] Speaker 1: watch parties and ship coming home Like yo, the next
[6:11] Speaker 1: I'm like that, ain't never been this kind of Knicks
[6:13] Speaker 1: fans in your life.
[6:14] Speaker 2: I gotta game different.
[6:17] Speaker 1: But the energy because we're winning, that winning culture, it
[6:22] Speaker 1: builds pride in the city. Like you you know, the
[6:25] Speaker 1: crime is down in the city. You know, we start
[6:28] Speaker 1: doing the dump. But but I mean, you know, besides that,
[6:34] Speaker 1: the city is like electric right now. Like me just
[6:37] Speaker 1: coming into the building, they're like, oh, joy up New
[6:40] Speaker 1: York and I'm like, yo.
[6:41] Speaker 2: This it's just different. It feels differ.
[6:45] Speaker 4: It feels I was sitting there like we hit a
[6:48] Speaker 4: record all the time.
[6:50] Speaker 2: We ain't see you there yet. You said, nah, yeah, nah.
[6:54] Speaker 1: Man, there's only one way to do this. Yeah, we
[6:57] Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta seal deal.
[6:59] Speaker 2: Man.
[7:00] Speaker 1: I feel me to say something I've been a Knicks
[7:02] Speaker 1: fan my whole life. I'm fifty years old. The last
[7:04] Speaker 1: championship was three years before I was born.
[7:07] Speaker 2: Facts the facts.
[7:09] Speaker 1: So for me, I'm like, I've never seen them win
[7:14] Speaker 1: and I've had so many heart breaks from the patch
[7:17] Speaker 1: of you with Knigs, Like it's just been that for
[7:20] Speaker 1: us all the time. So to see this run, to
[7:24] Speaker 1: get this far, I just we just need one more.
[7:31] Speaker 2: Let's do it.
[7:32] Speaker 3: So let's get into it, man, I want to you know,
[7:34] Speaker 3: we talk about the business side, but let's bring it
[7:36] Speaker 3: back to the beginning to Murder Inc.
[7:37] Speaker 2: Ye rest of Earth piece brother got.
[7:40] Speaker 5: You started Murder Inc.
[7:41] Speaker 2: Together.
[7:41] Speaker 3: What was your position in Murder Inc. As far as
[7:45] Speaker 3: like the beginning stages, because obviously you were the franchise player,
[7:49] Speaker 3: but did you play a role in the business side
[7:50] Speaker 3: as well?
[7:51] Speaker 2: For sure?
[7:52] Speaker 1: You know what's crazy about with with with Murder Inc.
[7:56] Speaker 1: I was never actually a Murder Inc. Artist. Really, I
[8:03] Speaker 1: was thinking of death Jaen and so you know, we
[8:06] Speaker 1: didn't have the deal yet. IRV didn't have the deal yet,
[8:08] Speaker 1: you know. He when when I came over to death
[8:11] Speaker 1: Jam we got in the building was an a and R.
[8:14] Speaker 1: At first, lead Leo gave him a and our job
[8:17] Speaker 1: and you know it was bringing bringing that heat too
[8:20] Speaker 1: to the building.
[8:20] Speaker 5: He brought DMX, right, he brought d m X over there.
[8:23] Speaker 1: He brought me over there. We were the first two
[8:26] Speaker 1: that we're going over there. We got to death Jam
[8:30] Speaker 1: through by way of Leo looking for me. There's as
[8:35] Speaker 1: a legendary urban legend. You know how this kind of unraveled.
[8:44] Speaker 1: Me and IRVS we said we was IRV. IRV was
[8:48] Speaker 1: very clever man. We we you know, he he had
[8:51] Speaker 1: a hustle in them, you know what I mean.
[8:52] Speaker 2: And we was both hustlers. I was a young hustler.
[8:55] Speaker 1: Was just a hungry hustler for this music, for this,
[8:58] Speaker 1: for this rap, you know game. And so when we
[9:01] Speaker 1: came out with my my group Cash Money Click, there
[9:05] Speaker 1: was a video show the box.
[9:11] Speaker 5: Yeah video music box.
[9:13] Speaker 2: No not.
[9:15] Speaker 1: You paid ninety nine to pay to watch the video
[9:17] Speaker 1: that was watched the video I remember you had in
[9:20] Speaker 1: Jersey like ninety.
[9:22] Speaker 2: Five even earlier earlier.
[9:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, we had a grainy little video that
[9:29] Speaker 1: we had Hype William's shoot at the time. Hepe was
[9:32] Speaker 1: the biggest fucking video director in the world at the time.
[9:36] Speaker 1: We finagled our way to get hyped to shoot these videos.
[9:39] Speaker 1: And the way we did it was because Hype. He
[9:42] Speaker 1: was good friends with Earth and Hype was doing all
[9:44] Speaker 1: of the big videos he's doing.
[9:45] Speaker 2: Mary J.
[9:46] Speaker 1: Blide showed us he's doing all these videos, so we Hype,
[9:49] Speaker 1: we need that thirty five millimeter film shoot out video
[9:53] Speaker 1: Hype Steele's film from I ain't gonna say steal Barro.
[10:00] Speaker 1: It was left over from from uh I want to say,
[10:03] Speaker 1: Mary J.
[10:03] Speaker 2: Blige is happy.
[10:06] Speaker 1: You want to be a happy video one of them.
[10:08] Speaker 1: I forget what video was. No one was on top
[10:10] Speaker 1: of the mountain. I do remember that and be happy happy,
[10:13] Speaker 1: So we got the leftover footage from that video. He
[10:19] Speaker 1: shot from my click for us and he shot Get
[10:22] Speaker 1: the Fortune. So now we have these two videos shot
[10:27] Speaker 1: by Hype Williams with a new group cash on.
[10:31] Speaker 2: Nobody knows us.
[10:32] Speaker 1: Get the video up on videomes whatever, get the get
[10:36] Speaker 1: the video up on the box.
[10:37] Speaker 2: Not a box.
[10:38] Speaker 1: You just pay and every time you pay the video
[10:41] Speaker 1: comes on. So in that time, right then, around that time,
[10:46] Speaker 1: Mehan Mary's video was going off, No no, no, all
[10:51] Speaker 1: I need me Mary Jo going off the biggest song,
[10:55] Speaker 1: biggest video so ear was like, yo, every time I
[10:59] Speaker 1: got I did, every time that video plays, We're gonna
[11:04] Speaker 1: order our video. So we get the trickle down and
[11:06] Speaker 1: one foo still watching that video. Maybe they'll watch our
[11:09] Speaker 1: little shit, you know what I'm saying. All right, bet
[11:12] Speaker 1: So we started doing it, but it started getting expensive,
[11:14] Speaker 1: like on our.
[11:15] Speaker 2: Phone and our do this.
[11:17] Speaker 1: I understand that you gotta call, you gotta call this
[11:20] Speaker 1: is back that you gotta call the number, but they
[11:22] Speaker 1: do know whatever in order the video like a jukebox
[11:24] Speaker 1: on that, you know what I'm saying. So we came
[11:28] Speaker 1: up with this diabolical plan. We're always in the studio.
[11:33] Speaker 1: It'd be cheap of the book studio time, be in
[11:36] Speaker 1: the studio on their phone blowing up this video method
[11:40] Speaker 1: man and Beth Mary. She was coming on all day,
[11:43] Speaker 1: a hundred times a day. So we're like, all right,
[11:46] Speaker 1: we booked studio time. We'd be in the studio banging
[11:48] Speaker 1: the phones out every time she's bang order our ships
[11:51] Speaker 1: every time she had that video, our video, that video video.
[11:54] Speaker 1: So one day, the legend is they're having a meeting
[11:57] Speaker 1: in death Chain with jam Master J. And you know
[12:03] Speaker 1: he had JMJ Records at the time. You know, I
[12:05] Speaker 1: guess all the staff was there, all of the you know,
[12:08] Speaker 1: all of the you know labels that he was working with,
[12:10] Speaker 1: Depth Jam's working at the time, and they were all
[12:13] Speaker 1: in their marveling over their work. That nephing married masterpiece.
[12:20] Speaker 2: Grammy Award winning.
[12:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, and then right after that, this little grainy black
[12:28] Speaker 1: and white video comes on, little dude with a big
[12:31] Speaker 1: voice and shiit get the fortune, motherfucker bang and legend
[12:37] Speaker 1: has it. Jam Master J stood up, he said, Yo,
[12:39] Speaker 1: that kid is from my hood. He gonna be a star.
[12:44] Speaker 1: And Leo was like, well, didn't find him? Then bring
[12:47] Speaker 1: him to me then, And that's how it. Leo sawt
[12:51] Speaker 1: out looking for her and me and and and found
[12:55] Speaker 1: you know, got to us found her. J J was
[12:59] Speaker 1: kind of in the mix of it because it's funny
[13:02] Speaker 1: how things happened, right because Jay he was working with
[13:05] Speaker 1: fox at the time, and he had a record he
[13:07] Speaker 1: had ain't no Nigga out at the time, and but
[13:10] Speaker 1: he wasn't on Death Jam. Jay wasn't he didn't have
[13:13] Speaker 1: his end, you know, to death Jam. He had the
[13:15] Speaker 1: record with Foxy, but he you know, that was a
[13:18] Speaker 1: Brooklyn connection, not so much of a music death Jam connected.
[13:23] Speaker 1: She was Jam, So that record was more of them
[13:26] Speaker 1: doing that, not you know, you know, death Jam hooking
[13:28] Speaker 1: it up with Jay wasn't Jay at the moment. He was,
[13:31] Speaker 1: you know, still still emerging, and so Earth goes. I
[13:37] Speaker 1: knew Foxy from the hood, you know what I'm saying.
[13:41] Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't. I grew up in Queens, but
[13:44] Speaker 2: you know I knew Fox in Passing.
[13:48] Speaker 1: We used to go to this club called the Q
[13:49] Speaker 1: Club and Queens and Ship and you know, crazy crazy
[13:54] Speaker 1: party to So one night I was having a birthday
[13:56] Speaker 1: party and all of the you know, all the drug
[13:59] Speaker 1: niggas is there on everybody's don't pretty much that at
[14:02] Speaker 1: the time, I don't think, but you know, black juzs
[14:04] Speaker 1: and you know, all all of them and there and
[14:06] Speaker 1: Ship and so they send me bottles and Ship. So
[14:11] Speaker 1: Fox was like, Who's who the niggas because she was
[14:13] Speaker 1: performing that night with Jay. They was doing ain't no
[14:15] Speaker 1: nigga that night, and I was just did having a party,
[14:17] Speaker 1: you know, just like you know, you go to a
[14:18] Speaker 1: club and have.
[14:19] Speaker 2: It now your own little section and to throw you
[14:21] Speaker 2: a load.
[14:21] Speaker 1: So you know, niggas are sending me bottles my birthday
[14:23] Speaker 1: and Ship and Fox, like who the nigga was getting
[14:26] Speaker 1: all the bottles and you know, I'm saying, so, uh,
[14:29] Speaker 1: my brother pretty come over and you know it's like, Yo,
[14:31] Speaker 1: my sister want to hot let you meet you and ship?
[14:33] Speaker 2: You know, heard you making music? Do whatever. So I
[14:36] Speaker 2: go over there. That's of course want of me Fox.
[14:38] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
[14:38] Speaker 1: I meet Foxy Brown and this is how it starts.
[14:40] Speaker 1: So we me and Fox became friends, got a number,
[14:43] Speaker 1: She got my number, and you know, she was like, yo,
[14:45] Speaker 1: you want to you know, maybe do some music. So
[14:48] Speaker 1: me and Fox had started getting a relationship. So while
[14:53] Speaker 1: this was going on, Leo comes into the office and
[14:57] Speaker 1: he's looking for new groups and he said, is to
[15:00] Speaker 1: his flagship artists at the time, it's just Foxy Brown.
[15:03] Speaker 1: I'm looking at her. This is this I'm telling this
[15:05] Speaker 1: history is crazy, she says. Lel says to He says,
[15:08] Speaker 1: I'm looking at these two groups. He says, these guys
[15:12] Speaker 1: here and it happened to be Lord Trecapeater Guns.
[15:17] Speaker 2: And they had the ship, they had their New.
[15:21] Speaker 1: York record, they had them on style at the time,
[15:24] Speaker 1: I didn't have nothing but this little grainy video whip.
[15:28] Speaker 1: And then he said this group right here, these guys
[15:30] Speaker 1: cast money, click gods. Foxy see me, and you know
[15:35] Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was like, oh, that's my knight.
[15:37] Speaker 1: The niggas is nice. That niggas nice. I ain't know
[15:39] Speaker 1: that niggas nice. You know what I'm saying, Like you know, saying,
[15:42] Speaker 1: you know, I was going to fuck with them some
[15:43] Speaker 1: music shit to myself. So that's when Leo's like, Okay,
[15:46] Speaker 1: I'm gonna go find these dudes for sure. For sure,
[15:49] Speaker 1: got with Gotty brings God into the folk. So Jay
[15:53] Speaker 1: got the record with Foxy. I tell uh uh Gotti
[15:59] Speaker 1: of about the situation. Foxy calls me and says, Yo,
[16:03] Speaker 1: Leo wants You know how stories go to saying around
[16:07] Speaker 1: the blot, it becomes a whole different story. By the
[16:09] Speaker 1: time it got to me, Foxy calls me. He said,
[16:12] Speaker 1: Joe Leo wants to sign y'all. So that's what I
[16:15] Speaker 1: called herb and said, I said herv fucking Leo wants
[16:17] Speaker 1: to sign and said death jam. He said where you
[16:19] Speaker 1: get this from? I said, I was talking to Foxy.
[16:21] Speaker 1: Foxy said Leo came in and asked h about about
[16:24] Speaker 1: to give them a whole story and he said, you,
[16:25] Speaker 1: Leo want to sign up?
[16:26] Speaker 2: He said, man, ru you sure? You know? I said? Thanks?
[16:29] Speaker 1: Is what she said. He said, I'm gonna call Jay.
[16:32] Speaker 1: Let's see if he said he truth to this. He
[16:34] Speaker 1: calls Jay. Jay said I'll do some digging around. Because
[16:38] Speaker 1: you know, Jay wasn't in the system yet. He said,
[16:40] Speaker 1: I'll do some digging around and see if I you
[16:42] Speaker 1: know what. So Jay gets back to guy and he's like, Yo,
[16:45] Speaker 1: I'm hearing that.
[16:46] Speaker 2: Yo.
[16:46] Speaker 1: They looking for you and they're looking for Rue. We
[16:50] Speaker 1: get to we get to meet and set up to
[16:53] Speaker 1: go meet Leo Cohen Russell Simmons Death Jam. Now, being
[16:58] Speaker 1: on Death Jam at that time is like being on Motown.
[17:00] Speaker 1: It's like the dream label to fucking be on. You
[17:03] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, this is like a dream situation.
[17:05] Speaker 1: Me me being from Hollis, it was definitely a dream situation.
[17:08] Speaker 1: So I So we go up there. We're sitting in
[17:11] Speaker 1: Leo's and waiting holding a space, you know, we're waiting
[17:16] Speaker 1: for Leo to come out, and you know whatever, Leo
[17:21] Speaker 1: doesn't come out for a while. So God, He's like, Yo,
[17:24] Speaker 1: fuck this we out. I ain't even think you have
[17:27] Speaker 1: me sitting up here waiting. That said, my nigga, the
[17:30] Speaker 1: man said he want to meet us. I ain't leave
[17:33] Speaker 1: it until he come out this motherfucker. I said, I'm
[17:35] Speaker 1: staying right there. We gonna meet the stick. So God,
[17:38] Speaker 1: Me and God. He was in the in the fucking lobby,
[17:40] Speaker 1: going back and forth. He's like, I'm out of here.
[17:42] Speaker 1: You want to stay? I said, I'm staying. I ain't
[17:44] Speaker 1: leave it.
[17:45] Speaker 2: Right At that moment, Leo.
[17:46] Speaker 1: Comes out as ship you know what I'm saying, comes
[17:48] Speaker 1: and brings us in the back, and Yo, he was real.
[17:52] Speaker 1: That's when I started to really learn about business and
[17:55] Speaker 1: the music business, how it moves. Because Leo in that
[17:58] Speaker 1: moment in that day, was very cut through, brought us
[18:02] Speaker 1: in the ship. He was like, I only want the
[18:07] Speaker 1: little guy.
[18:08] Speaker 2: He was a group.
[18:09] Speaker 5: They was what you too?
[18:11] Speaker 2: One of them.
[18:12] Speaker 1: One of my niggas, Man Black, had got locked up,
[18:14] Speaker 1: so he was in jail at the time.
[18:15] Speaker 2: So my mother partner.
[18:17] Speaker 5: Was with me and he told him too, straight to
[18:19] Speaker 5: his face, I only.
[18:21] Speaker 1: Want the little one. So y'all got twenty four hours
[18:24] Speaker 1: to figure it out.
[18:27] Speaker 2: Just like that.
[18:28] Speaker 1: So I'm gonna you know how I must have felt like.
[18:31] Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, but no, like you know, like
[18:35] Speaker 1: the su way he's supposed to go, that's awkar car right.
[18:38] Speaker 5: It was, Yeah, that's awkward, it's over.
[18:40] Speaker 1: So you know, me, me being the real nigga that
[18:43] Speaker 1: I am. I you know, I tried to make it right.
[18:46] Speaker 1: I said, listen, how I want to do this, my
[18:51] Speaker 1: group member, you know how I want to do this.
[18:53] Speaker 1: So of course, you know they're being supportive. They're like, yo,
[18:56] Speaker 1: you know we're a group. But you know what I'm saying,
[18:58] Speaker 1: if if we got to know move whatever, Because Get
[19:03] Speaker 1: the Fortune was kind of like a solo record of
[19:05] Speaker 1: mine anyway, So I was kind of starting to make
[19:10] Speaker 1: solo records.
[19:13] Speaker 2: And gott He had put it in my head that
[19:16] Speaker 2: I could do.
[19:16] Speaker 1: Be a solo artist because I never thought of it
[19:19] Speaker 1: before that I was always in the group. One verse
[19:22] Speaker 1: was good for me. You know what I'm saying. There's
[19:23] Speaker 1: a lot of work you get in a solo art.
[19:25] Speaker 1: Write all three verses. I got to create the hook.
[19:26] Speaker 1: I gotta do everything all, you know. So I that
[19:29] Speaker 1: wasn't in my wheelhouse at the time. You know, I
[19:31] Speaker 1: was comfortable being in a group. So I get home
[19:36] Speaker 1: and this is the funny, this is this is why,
[19:37] Speaker 1: I said, having a strong I have my my age
[19:41] Speaker 1: boom corn.
[19:42] Speaker 2: In my corner. She's always been there.
[19:46] Speaker 1: I go, I go home and have my daughter at
[19:48] Speaker 1: the time, go to my wife and I say each,
[19:51] Speaker 1: I said, well, she was my girlfriend that time. She
[19:53] Speaker 1: was my wife. Yet, I said each, I said, yo,
[19:56] Speaker 1: tell her a situation. I tell her situation. And I said, yo.
[20:00] Speaker 1: You know, they said they want to sign us, but
[20:03] Speaker 1: they only want to sign me. You know what, you think,
[20:05] Speaker 1: She's like, take the deal?
[20:07] Speaker 2: You know the answer? Yeah, I knew the answer.
[20:11] Speaker 1: I mean not even I thought, not even a That's
[20:15] Speaker 1: the difference between many women.
[20:17] Speaker 2: Men would try to, you know, look out for the homiees.
[20:20] Speaker 4: She got your best interests, she has my best and
[20:24] Speaker 4: hers and.
[20:27] Speaker 2: That in fact, and.
[20:28] Speaker 1: That's the beauty offul women, because they ain't gonna have
[20:30] Speaker 1: their best interests at him, you know too so and
[20:34] Speaker 1: so that's that's how that went down, and and I
[20:37] Speaker 1: took the deal, and the rest is kind of history.
[20:41] Speaker 5: You know, did they resent you for that at a
[20:44] Speaker 5: certain point?
[20:45] Speaker 2: Do you think? I don't think.
[20:48] Speaker 1: I won't say resmbles is a strong word, because I
[20:51] Speaker 1: always wanted to do it right. You know what I'm saying,
[20:53] Speaker 1: like I've had them on my album. Black was on
[20:56] Speaker 1: my albums from jail, you know.
[20:59] Speaker 2: Not Black Child. He was a mile from jail.
[21:03] Speaker 1: You know, I got sued by TVT Records and Steve
[21:11] Speaker 1: Gottlieb for you know, trying to put together a cash
[21:16] Speaker 1: when the Click project with them on tv T. You know,
[21:22] Speaker 1: le Yoll said we could do it. I went and
[21:24] Speaker 1: put the project together. Then he said I couldn't do
[21:27] Speaker 1: it. It was just that simple, you know what I'm saying.
[21:30] Speaker 1: So you know that was them having Nick dickswing contest
[21:34] Speaker 1: at the top, you know, him and him and Steve Gottlieb.
[21:38] Speaker 1: You know, Leo felt like, Yo, I I blew job.
[21:42] Speaker 1: He's you know what I'm saying. Why I'm lend him
[21:45] Speaker 1: back to you, to you to do the group thing.
[21:47] Speaker 1: And it was that kind of situation.
[21:50] Speaker 4: And so so as you end the door there because
[21:53] Speaker 4: we all, I mean, we're from here.
[21:54] Speaker 2: So we all remember the double XL cover.
[21:57] Speaker 4: Yeah you asked Jay the murder Graham so all freestyle
[22:02] Speaker 4: that's in that time or is that after the doors opened?
[22:06] Speaker 1: After after after after Because I couldn't sign with Death
[22:11] Speaker 1: Jam right away, So Leo wanted me to sign. I
[22:16] Speaker 1: was still in my deal with TVT, so I couldn't
[22:18] Speaker 1: sign right away. So IRV.
[22:22] Speaker 2: It's like, don't worry, I got another guy. He's gonna
[22:26] Speaker 2: love him, okay, m Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
[22:30] Speaker 1: So he introduced Leo to the DMX, brought DMX let
[22:32] Speaker 1: me brought Leo out to Yonkers and more for Gardens
[22:36] Speaker 1: and Ship and.
[22:37] Speaker 2: Hope for guard You're the great.
[22:41] Speaker 3: So but you said you never was signed to Murder
[22:44] Speaker 3: in No ever. No, It's okay, So that that's interesting.
[22:53] Speaker 1: So once Earth started the label, I was silent partner
[22:57] Speaker 1: with Earth.
[22:58] Speaker 3: You were a silent partner with Yeah, so you like
[23:02] Speaker 3: a cold CEO. But the public didn't know that right, Well.
[23:05] Speaker 1: It was we kind of leaked it out to the
[23:07] Speaker 1: but it kind of knew. But it was like, you know,
[23:11] Speaker 1: you know.
[23:11] Speaker 3: So when because obviously murder Ink, everybody just associates you
[23:15] Speaker 3: murder inc right, I'm not just you, Ashanti, you know
[23:18] Speaker 3: the whole coup, but you are on the flagship players.
[23:20] Speaker 1: But it felt like, you know, I'm I'm gonna give
[23:23] Speaker 1: rule a piece of this because we came here together
[23:26] Speaker 1: and now I'm getting honorable.
[23:28] Speaker 2: The label deal you know what I'm saying, Well.
[23:30] Speaker 3: That's what I want to talk about, because that happens
[23:32] Speaker 3: a lot of times where people feel like I hate
[23:35] Speaker 3: to see this happen. But even Griselda, right, you're familiar
[23:38] Speaker 3: with what's happening.
[23:39] Speaker 2: With I heard they having some issues.
[23:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, allegedly what's happening is that they saying that Westside
[23:44] Speaker 3: Gun didn't give Bennie and Conway ten percent and that
[23:50] Speaker 3: he was advised to Ja, they said, Jay.
[23:52] Speaker 4: Advising to not give them to give it like that
[23:55] Speaker 4: would be the best thing to help your brothers like
[23:57] Speaker 4: their actual family.
[23:58] Speaker 5: You know, look, just give them ten percent.
[24:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, and so what was the conment that you have
[24:04] Speaker 3: a conversation about, Like, Yo, can I get some equity?
[24:07] Speaker 5: Did you approach him that he approach you or like
[24:09] Speaker 5: how did that?
[24:10] Speaker 2: Haver was like, Yo, rule.
[24:12] Speaker 1: You know, they offered me a fifty fifty joint venture situation,
[24:18] Speaker 1: and I obviously I want you to be a part
[24:20] Speaker 1: of the joint venture, but they're not gonna let you
[24:23] Speaker 1: sign with me. But of course, you know, I'm gonna
[24:28] Speaker 1: be the one holding the flag, you know, helping build
[24:33] Speaker 1: the company. And so I was like, yo, nigga, you know,
[24:36] Speaker 1: what it is, nigga, you know what I'm saying. So
[24:38] Speaker 1: he took care of me.
[24:39] Speaker 3: That's actually brilliant though, because even though you wasn't signed,
[24:41] Speaker 3: you repping it.
[24:42] Speaker 5: It just makes the Murder Inc. Brand, Yeah, so much bigger.
[24:45] Speaker 3: So when you're writing songs for j Lo, you bring
[24:46] Speaker 3: a shantee, now they just automatically associate you with Murder Inc.
[24:50] Speaker 5: Anyway, So the valuation of the company just going.
[24:52] Speaker 2: So I was murdering, you know what I mean.
[24:54] Speaker 1: I didn't never really feel like a death jam artist
[24:58] Speaker 1: per se, because I did every thing murdering, you know
[25:01] Speaker 1: what I mean. So you know, that's the way we
[25:03] Speaker 1: built it, and that's the way we moved it. And
[25:05] Speaker 1: it felt right because you know, that's how d was
[25:09] Speaker 1: moving with Rough Riders, and that's how Jay was moving
[25:12] Speaker 1: with Rockefeller. And so it was like, all right, I'm
[25:15] Speaker 1: with Murder you know, me and God he got murder Ink,
[25:18] Speaker 1: y'all got Rockefeller, y'all got rough Riders, and this is
[25:21] Speaker 1: the three entities of what we are. And it worked,
[25:23] Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
[25:24] Speaker 4: It's crazy, as you said, like from the time you
[25:28] Speaker 4: had TVT when def Cham has this resurgence with the
[25:30] Speaker 4: month of the man with red and meth and then
[25:33] Speaker 4: there's that second resurgence and it's you, it's Jay and
[25:36] Speaker 4: it's ex and you're all killing it. You talk about
[25:39] Speaker 4: fame and fortune. Most people don't get both. Yeah you did.
[25:43] Speaker 4: You have to fame the fortune. We always argue about it.
[25:47] Speaker 4: At one point, Jove the hottest artist. I don't care
[25:49] Speaker 4: he has another more record.
[25:50] Speaker 5: Break You're actually Drake before Drake.
[25:52] Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm going there.
[25:54] Speaker 4: So there was some conversations about the melodic flow and
[25:58] Speaker 4: being able to harmer eyes on hooks, and yes, bone
[26:01] Speaker 4: Thugs did it, but what made the mainstream for me
[26:05] Speaker 4: was you. So when you hear these conversations about who
[26:09] Speaker 4: originated that, what's your take on it?
[26:14] Speaker 1: My take is this, I gotta give it ultimate respect
[26:20] Speaker 1: and credit to the architect. No, Love gets his props too,
[26:30] Speaker 1: but the architect and this who started it all?
[26:34] Speaker 2: Scourage blow.
[26:37] Speaker 1: Okay, there's no He was the first rapper, the singer record,
[26:40] Speaker 1: the singer that was Day.
[26:45] Speaker 2: And he sang that whole record.
[26:46] Speaker 3: That's where NAS got the fresh Mont.
[26:52] Speaker 2: He sings that whole record.
[26:54] Speaker 5: What I'm saying, what was it mainstream?
[26:58] Speaker 1: So here's so here's where I come in. It was
[27:01] Speaker 1: never cooland hip hop right, it was never even when
[27:06] Speaker 1: L did it, it did, he did it, but it
[27:10] Speaker 1: wasn't cool, you know what I'm saying. It was a
[27:12] Speaker 1: big record. They love love, it was, it was it.
[27:15] Speaker 1: But again he didn't sing on I need love. I
[27:19] Speaker 1: he raps, yes, he does.
[27:20] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
[27:22] Speaker 1: But it was a love song, the first hip hop
[27:25] Speaker 1: love song, if you would, I guess.
[27:26] Speaker 2: But I said, like I said, daydreaming was that.
[27:29] Speaker 1: It was all of that. You know what I'm say
[27:30] Speaker 1: when you listen to the record, was all of that.
[27:32] Speaker 1: So I gotta give that the Curtis boll you know
[27:34] Speaker 1: what I mean. Then you go then you can go
[27:36] Speaker 1: to Bone Thugs and you know other other artists who
[27:39] Speaker 1: definitely harmonized.
[27:42] Speaker 2: But for me, Bone.
[27:43] Speaker 1: Thugs was a flaw a thing that we all wish
[27:47] Speaker 1: we could do. Nobody can do that ship with them
[27:50] Speaker 1: and and it was beautiful and it was you know,
[27:52] Speaker 1: it sounded magical on his records, but.
[27:55] Speaker 2: Only they can do that.
[27:58] Speaker 1: What jah Ruh was was I was fucking a crooner man,
[28:02] Speaker 1: a nigga that sings in the shadow, and decided I'm
[28:04] Speaker 1: gonna put it on records and every motherfucker that listens
[28:08] Speaker 1: to is like, I can do that.
[28:10] Speaker 3: It's a good point because Nate Dog is like bone
[28:12] Speaker 3: thugs that he actually can sing.
[28:14] Speaker 2: He can say yeah, it's actually.
[28:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, you rap, you're a rapper first, that's just harmonized
[28:22] Speaker 3: the fucking around with it. So do you think Max
[28:24] Speaker 3: B comes from under that tree because a lot of
[28:28] Speaker 3: people give it Max because all right, Max B has
[28:30] Speaker 3: become recently in the news because he's saying he started
[28:33] Speaker 3: the way for whiskalif for a boogie little t J.
[28:38] Speaker 2: All of that.
[28:39] Speaker 1: I mean, he might he made can he make him
[28:42] Speaker 1: claim that you know what I'm saying, he'd he may of.
[28:46] Speaker 2: But before all of that was rue.
[28:48] Speaker 1: But know what I'm saying, what I'm saying, and I
[28:51] Speaker 1: made it cool because I was screaming his murder yeah
[28:55] Speaker 1: and then still singing hooks. It wasn't just it wasn't
[28:59] Speaker 1: and it feel like, yo, this is soft or this
[29:05] Speaker 1: is it didn't feel like that. It didn't feel like
[29:07] Speaker 1: that until you know, I have my beef shit. And
[29:09] Speaker 1: then he tried to make it feel like that to
[29:11] Speaker 1: the public. But then he turned around to the same
[29:13] Speaker 1: ship and so once again the influence of what I
[29:17] Speaker 1: was doing is there. It is, the blueprint was there,
[29:20] Speaker 1: you know what I mean, nobody was doing what I
[29:24] Speaker 1: was doing.
[29:24] Speaker 2: As far as hip hop duets.
[29:27] Speaker 1: And so when I say that there's something that I
[29:30] Speaker 1: created in that harmon KNY space, is that the hip hop?
[29:34] Speaker 2: Yeah? Because you had that was a hell of a run. Yeah.
[29:36] Speaker 1: When you listen to I'm Real, you don't know if
[29:38] Speaker 1: that's my record or Jennifer's record. You listen to Mesuradze,
[29:41] Speaker 1: you don't know if that's me or Shanty's record. Same
[29:44] Speaker 1: thing with Raindy Days. Between me and you, you know, well,
[29:46] Speaker 1: between me and you was.
[29:47] Speaker 4: A little bit I'm thinking like, and it's like, what's
[29:50] Speaker 4: setting this this trend off?
[29:51] Speaker 1: But between and you you can go with that too,
[29:53] Speaker 1: because what's set in the trend off is I'm writing.
[29:56] Speaker 3: Over the Well all right, so listen. But that's my
[29:58] Speaker 3: next question because we interview Jermaine Dupre and he was
[30:00] Speaker 3: talking about you know, he's a prolific writer. Yeah, people
[30:03] Speaker 3: don't give him enough credit for writing.
[30:05] Speaker 2: I don't get it either, but it's cool.
[30:07] Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about that, because you're one of the
[30:09] Speaker 3: greatest writers you write to, right, you write for R
[30:12] Speaker 3: and B singing absolutely, so A talk about that and
[30:15] Speaker 3: then also talk about what is the what's the publishing
[30:18] Speaker 3: for that?
[30:22] Speaker 2: Great is great? You know. I like to say all
[30:27] Speaker 2: the time, I'm not a ghost writer. I'm a songwriter.
[30:29] Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
[30:30] Speaker 1: I don't write songs and give people the pub on
[30:33] Speaker 1: the songs, or give them a song and they can
[30:36] Speaker 1: pay me to take the whole song and to be this.
[30:39] Speaker 2: I don't do that. I don't do that.
[30:42] Speaker 1: Write songs tailor made for the person I write him for.
[30:49] Speaker 1: So like when I wrote only record, I can say
[30:51] Speaker 1: that I didn't do that with it was Randy Days,
[30:54] Speaker 1: because I wrote Randy Days for TLC. But Mary Tooks
[30:59] Speaker 1: heard the record. I was in, uh, I can't think
[31:06] Speaker 1: of uh studio. No, I'm in uh Jesus Christ, what
[31:17] Speaker 1: the hell is his second depth jail. I came thinking
[31:20] Speaker 1: I'm getting old ladies, gentlemen.
[31:22] Speaker 2: Yes, h.
[31:25] Speaker 1: Kevin, No, no, no, After H Kelly read l A Okay,
[31:33] Speaker 1: sorry sorry l A. So I brought the record into
[31:37] Speaker 1: l as office. L A is listening to the record.
[31:40] Speaker 1: He calls, he calls t Bos right there. T BO
[31:44] Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is dope. I love the record
[31:47] Speaker 1: and we blasted ship. In that moment, Mary walks in
[31:50] Speaker 1: and she's like, what the fuck is this? I took
[31:54] Speaker 1: the CD and then that was it. Then demoed it
[31:58] Speaker 1: and came back with Rainy Days and it was trazy.
[32:02] Speaker 1: But that's the only record that I wrote that I
[32:05] Speaker 1: didn't write for this person in mind?
[32:08] Speaker 3: And well, what that makes you ill too, because you're
[32:10] Speaker 3: one of the few rappers that writes for R and
[32:12] Speaker 3: B singers.
[32:13] Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Drake wrote for R and B.
[32:15] Speaker 2: He wrote still, Drake wrote at least keys, But.
[32:22] Speaker 3: There's not a lot of rappers that can write R
[32:24] Speaker 3: and B. So what's the vibe from a creative standpoint?
[32:26] Speaker 3: To go from a rap vibe to an R and B,
[32:29] Speaker 3: a female R and B perspective at that.
[32:33] Speaker 1: You got to get into the headspace a little bit.
[32:36] Speaker 1: Like good example, when I wrote ain't it funny?
[32:41] Speaker 2: Right?
[32:42] Speaker 1: So I want to clear up ain't it funny? Because
[32:45] Speaker 1: there's alls so many rumors of ain't it funny?
[32:48] Speaker 2: I'm real.
[32:49] Speaker 1: I wrote completely all by myself for jail, the whole thing,
[32:53] Speaker 1: Ain't it Funny? I co wrote with a Shanti. Okay,
[32:56] Speaker 1: So now here's how it came about. Right, and trying
[33:00] Speaker 1: to do an amazing job with the record too. But
[33:04] Speaker 1: it wasn't a Bonnie's record to write. It was my
[33:07] Speaker 1: record to write because I you know, I wrote that
[33:10] Speaker 1: record for Jim because what Jim was going through at
[33:13] Speaker 1: the time with her, and we was having conversations about
[33:17] Speaker 1: the ship, talking about you know, him wanting her back
[33:20] Speaker 1: and you know, and it came to me just like that,
[33:24] Speaker 1: ain't funny baby that you vote me when you had
[33:30] Speaker 1: me loves Crazy. I'm glad I could smile and say,
[33:35] Speaker 1: ain't that funny? So that because that's how the nucleus
[33:44] Speaker 1: of that started. Right now, I mean, we don't get
[33:47] Speaker 1: to that too. That's that's that's a good story too.
[33:49] Speaker 1: So that's how the nucleus of that started. Jim loved it.
[33:53] Speaker 1: I'm in the studio now creating it. Fucking that time, man,
[33:58] Speaker 1: there was a road moving around, you know me. I
[34:00] Speaker 1: gotta finish this record for Jen. She loves the hook already,
[34:05] Speaker 1: who's in the studio with my sister, who's.
[34:08] Speaker 2: Nice with the pen.
[34:11] Speaker 1: She's hasn't written anything for anybody else yet, right, but
[34:16] Speaker 1: she's been writing her albums doing great. She's nice. She
[34:20] Speaker 1: get busy Bonnie, you think you can do these two verses,
[34:26] Speaker 1: I'm tired. Doesn't go ahad and take it on n
[34:28] Speaker 1: You think to do these two verses and ship? Yeah, rooskie,
[34:31] Speaker 1: I got it. So now she gets to doing the verses.
[34:36] Speaker 1: So now in my mind, I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna
[34:39] Speaker 1: go take a nap. If she comes out with the ship,
[34:42] Speaker 1: we use it. If not, I gotta redo it. You
[34:44] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. She came with the ship, she
[34:47] Speaker 1: came with the fucking heat. So then I finished off
[34:50] Speaker 1: the record. I did the bridge, babe bebe's that jevery
[34:57] Speaker 1: we canvy friends? No?
[34:59] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, got the hook. I got the bridge.
[35:02] Speaker 1: Bonnie wrote the two verses. Record is clean. So that's
[35:08] Speaker 1: how that record came about. You know, there's a lot
[35:10] Speaker 1: of you know, Miss can See, but.
[35:12] Speaker 5: You was putting it was about it was about puff.
[35:15] Speaker 1: It was Bonnie. Was she tells the story about it?
[35:17] Speaker 1: She says no, because she don't.
[35:19] Speaker 2: Know that part.
[35:20] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Know the verses that she contributed, Yes,
[35:24] Speaker 1: but she doesn't actually know that those verses are being
[35:27] Speaker 1: written in. You know, because once the hook is late,
[35:31] Speaker 1: now you're writing about that. You know what I'm saying.
[35:34] Speaker 1: There's the theme, there's the theme. Yeah, you know, look
[35:36] Speaker 1: at you and she's so she's you know, she's writing
[35:39] Speaker 1: off the theme and she doesn't really even know that
[35:41] Speaker 1: she's writing about.
[35:43] Speaker 2: Puff at the time. Yeah, that's crazy.
[35:46] Speaker 4: I mean, we had this conversation and I'd love to
[35:48] Speaker 4: have it with artists in terms of where they're at
[35:50] Speaker 4: in their career.
[35:50] Speaker 2: Is to me, one of the greatest catalogs.
[35:54] Speaker 4: I'm telling you, before we ever we sat down like, Yo,
[35:57] Speaker 4: it's gonna be ever, it's gonna be tough to be
[35:58] Speaker 4: John versus we finishing any funny dude fish because Yo,
[36:04] Speaker 4: because it's so much to that record, right, so so
[36:06] Speaker 4: much to that record.
[36:07] Speaker 1: So now we get to the verses of me doing
[36:11] Speaker 1: the verses to the record. It's the Craig nac bey
[36:15] Speaker 1: mm hmm, just like you and the blab. Nobody kicked
[36:21] Speaker 1: the flag. It must be the ass would got me
[36:26] Speaker 1: like Dad didn't forget any fatter. We're in the rule,
[36:28] Speaker 1: gonna have to get it out him. I jacked this
[36:30] Speaker 1: whole ship and his situation won't matter. Yes, I jacked
[36:34] Speaker 1: the whole ship. His ship was became all fatter, the
[36:37] Speaker 1: better it's everybody in there don't matter.
[36:39] Speaker 2: You have to pay for that. No, okay, okay, but
[36:44] Speaker 2: here's what it got very interested. Think about Clarence. Now
[36:48] Speaker 2: we had.
[36:50] Speaker 1: We had well it's it's the cadence, but you know
[36:52] Speaker 1: the words are not the same one. So we had
[36:56] Speaker 1: that record. If I remember Big did a remix on
[37:00] Speaker 1: that record. Yeah, and uh, I think he came in
[37:07] Speaker 1: on the ship.
[37:08] Speaker 2: I think this is mad.
[37:09] Speaker 1: I get more bus and ashiggas is mad? I get
[37:11] Speaker 1: more button than ash trades. Don't be mad, ups, So
[37:14] Speaker 1: I said, Caddy, I did the just like you and
[37:19] Speaker 1: the black. But I flipped it and came in. It
[37:21] Speaker 1: must be the asked. I said, nigga, you come in
[37:23] Speaker 1: with see bitches is mad? You got more buttoned nash
[37:28] Speaker 1: trays and then go on anything you want.
[37:31] Speaker 2: Hmm. If he would have did that. The magic of
[37:36] Speaker 2: that record now is that?
[37:39] Speaker 5: What what did he say?
[37:42] Speaker 2: See?
[37:42] Speaker 5: Hey, w why.
[37:48] Speaker 2: I get you because of what I did on the front.
[37:51] Speaker 2: And you gotta understand something.
[37:52] Speaker 1: I'm writing these records, architect these records, and so it's
[37:56] Speaker 1: like I knew.
[37:58] Speaker 5: Just listen, trust the process.
[37:59] Speaker 2: Trust.
[38:00] Speaker 5: That's the problem.
[38:01] Speaker 2: You know. Sometimes there's artists as rappers. You know, you
[38:03] Speaker 2: don't want to take and.
[38:04] Speaker 5: He wants to say his name, want to say it's
[38:06] Speaker 5: a big record. He wanted to come out with his name.
[38:08] Speaker 2: I get it. He's gonna put that on the end.
[38:12] Speaker 4: Did you get a call from the other side? I
[38:14] Speaker 4: mean you doing that on the song? The other side's
[38:16] Speaker 4: gotta be like, yo, I think they wrote this about me.
[38:20] Speaker 2: So funny story. You know what I'm saying.
[38:22] Speaker 1: We we you know, we even with with with with
[38:24] Speaker 1: that with Puff Me Puff and Jay was on go
[38:27] Speaker 1: on tour and it didn't happen because it was funny.
[38:34] Speaker 1: We all signed a napkin. That's the contract. That night
[38:38] Speaker 1: it was an a Lamitage hotel, some sugar ship. Yeah,
[38:42] Speaker 1: it's crazy. We all were all in there. We're all arguing.
[38:46] Speaker 1: We're all in arguing. What because I'm the hottest nigga
[38:49] Speaker 1: at the time. Puff is a little call at the time,
[38:53] Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So he's like, I don't
[38:55] Speaker 1: go funk. I'll go on first. I'm gonna show you
[38:56] Speaker 1: niggas what I do.
[38:57] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. He's like, I'll set it off.
[38:59] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I't worry about So
[39:00] Speaker 2: it was me and Jay going back and forth forth
[39:02] Speaker 2: who's gonna close?
[39:03] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And rightfully so Old should
[39:06] Speaker 1: have closed, you know I'm not saying right at the time.
[39:09] Speaker 2: So I'm like, maybe I don't want to close home, you.
[39:11] Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, And so we go back for
[39:13] Speaker 1: but hol was gonna close, you know that that way,
[39:16] Speaker 1: it was probably gonna come to Hole close and close.
[39:17] Speaker 2: Hole was gonna let me close, you know what I'm saying.
[39:19] Speaker 1: You know, say that, But it didn't wind to was
[39:22] Speaker 1: happening because the arguments got so intense. It got to
[39:28] Speaker 1: you know, all right, I don't give a funk who closes.
[39:33] Speaker 1: Watch what I do on that stage, you know what
[39:35] Speaker 1: I'm saying. It got to that, like so puffs start
[39:38] Speaker 1: throwing it out there, like I know what I do.
[39:40] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, y'all know how I can.
[39:41] Speaker 1: And I'm like, yo, y'all ain't never seen what I
[39:44] Speaker 1: could do, you know what I'm saying. I said, I
[39:45] Speaker 1: ain't never been on stage with with production yet, I said, nigga,
[39:49] Speaker 1: once I get to flying around the air and on
[39:51] Speaker 1: kind of shussing these one of you niggas fucking me
[39:53] Speaker 1: on that stage. So we all talking that ship say
[39:56] Speaker 1: that Jay being Jay who he is, he's just sitting
[39:59] Speaker 1: there listening. Listen what we going back and forth?
[40:02] Speaker 2: God?
[40:02] Speaker 1: He saying ship, Like Nigga, our version of your record
[40:06] Speaker 1: is bigger than your records old time.
[40:08] Speaker 2: I mean, it was getting crazy and there's other people there.
[40:12] Speaker 1: There's other people there, you know what I'm saying, like
[40:14] Speaker 1: like I think Chris Tucker was dead, like all people there.
[40:17] Speaker 2: You know, I talk.
[40:20] Speaker 1: So we're going back on. So after we, you know,
[40:26] Speaker 1: thought about we want to do the tour, Jay decided
[40:30] Speaker 1: he didn't want to do it with us. He didn't
[40:32] Speaker 1: want to do it no more. And then he went
[40:33] Speaker 1: on tour with Yes with the backpack, you know, I
[40:42] Speaker 1: you know, I love all of them, but you know
[40:44] Speaker 1: that's what that's what we used to call him back then, ship.
[40:47] Speaker 2: And he went on.
[40:48] Speaker 1: He went on to tour with all of other and
[40:51] Speaker 1: I remember called me. He's like, I'm going over there
[40:53] Speaker 1: right now. Let me see J right now. I ain't
[40:57] Speaker 1: gonna do this stuff. I don't want to ask you.
[41:01] Speaker 4: I want to go to the catalog piece because, like
[41:03] Speaker 4: I said, you have one of the greatest catalogs. I
[41:05] Speaker 4: think a lot of people have sold their catalogs to
[41:07] Speaker 4: sell a piece of that cat of loss. I'm sure
[41:09] Speaker 4: that conversation has approached you. How do you see it?
[41:12] Speaker 2: How do you.
[41:14] Speaker 4: Look at the whole space of Hey, this is a
[41:17] Speaker 4: body work that I had. We can now monetize it
[41:20] Speaker 4: off in a different way because he's still performing these records. Yeah,
[41:23] Speaker 4: for sure, these records are still kicking off a lot
[41:25] Speaker 4: of money, man, absolutely with me performing them, and you know,
[41:30] Speaker 4: you know, on the back end of it.
[41:33] Speaker 2: But I am.
[41:37] Speaker 1: It's crazy, My my, my catalog is worth a lot.
[41:43] Speaker 1: You know, I'm getting you know great, you know, yeah offers.
[41:54] Speaker 1: I I only want to taste a little bit of it, though,
[41:56] Speaker 1: I want to because I want to see what's on
[41:57] Speaker 1: the other.
[41:57] Speaker 2: Side of it, like a pie. That's what you made.
[42:00] Speaker 2: The pre said, he he's a.
[42:02] Speaker 1: Self piece piece of it because you know, that kind
[42:06] Speaker 1: of money, You know, I could do a lot of
[42:08] Speaker 1: things as far as what I'm doing with my businesses now.
[42:12] Speaker 2: But you know, for me, I don't need much that
[42:16] Speaker 2: kind of money. Like that shit shit, how you.
[42:21] Speaker 4: A Timelalla is almost thirty years old, So like that
[42:26] Speaker 4: thirty five year revision.
[42:27] Speaker 1: Is yeah, I get yeah, I actually did a reversion deal.
[42:33] Speaker 1: I'm wanted a few artists that did a real reversion
[42:36] Speaker 1: deal from the beginning.
[42:37] Speaker 5: Oh so you own your master's in thirty five years?
[42:39] Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, so I'm about right there. Yeah, I'm
[42:43] Speaker 2: about twelve years away.
[42:45] Speaker 3: Because you know, it's close ironic we're having this conversation
[42:48] Speaker 3: because one of the last interviews that he did before
[42:50] Speaker 3: he passed away was with US Earth and he talked
[42:52] Speaker 3: that's when he sold his masters. Yeah, well yours not
[42:55] Speaker 3: masters not included in that though, if you're not part
[42:57] Speaker 3: of the label, right, But but you got a piece?
[43:01] Speaker 5: Did you get a part of that?
[43:02] Speaker 1: He did take care of me for being a part
[43:05] Speaker 1: owner of the label. Yeah, wow, honorable.
[43:09] Speaker 5: Wow, that's crazy.
[43:10] Speaker 3: So and I ain't let's talk about this live shows
[43:13] Speaker 3: because your live show, Yeah, people don't. I don't think
[43:15] Speaker 3: people fully appreciate your catalog until they actually see it.
[43:18] Speaker 3: That's why the versus shout out to Joe, that's our guy.
[43:21] Speaker 3: I knew you was gonna win because I know the
[43:25] Speaker 3: records that you have is like that shit is impactful,
[43:28] Speaker 3: it's so powerful. And I actually gotta apologize to you
[43:31] Speaker 3: because you did invest best for as you performed, and
[43:34] Speaker 3: we had the bright idea of interrupting your set with Jim.
[43:36] Speaker 3: Shout to Jim. Looking back on it, there was no
[43:40] Speaker 3: need for that. Lets you rock out. But you you
[43:48] Speaker 3: on the road a lot, Dubai, you get booked and
[43:51] Speaker 3: Dubai a lot. What's the key to maintaining that that
[43:55] Speaker 3: relevancy as far as traveling doing shows on the road
[43:59] Speaker 3: overse like, how do you maintain that that momentum?
[44:04] Speaker 1: It's crazy because it's kind of it's kind of a
[44:08] Speaker 1: blessing man. You you, it's the thing that you can't.
[44:14] Speaker 2: Foresee.
[44:14] Speaker 1: You can't I didn't sit back and say, Yo, I'm
[44:17] Speaker 1: gonna make these kind of records, and then the last
[44:20] Speaker 1: twenty five thirty years you can't foresee that. You know,
[44:25] Speaker 1: I just made records. That was that felt good to me,
[44:28] Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It felt good to my heart.
[44:30] Speaker 1: And the one thing that I did do consciously with
[44:33] Speaker 1: my records that I think is helping my records last
[44:36] Speaker 1: I didn't. I never dated my records.
[44:39] Speaker 3: And you know what else it is because I call
[44:41] Speaker 3: it jaru karaoke. Your records are some of the best karaoke.
[44:45] Speaker 5: Songs, peep, We'll love to sing along everybody.
[44:47] Speaker 3: We've experienced this before, like when you like dropped the beat,
[44:51] Speaker 3: everybody saying what would I do with?
[44:54] Speaker 2: That's also done.
[44:57] Speaker 1: Consciously, superintention You know, a lot of artists don't understand
[45:03] Speaker 1: music theory, cadence, oasis, crescendo, you.
[45:09] Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.
[45:09] Speaker 1: They don't understand that these things are the things that
[45:13] Speaker 1: subconsciously draw people to the music, draw people to the sound.
[45:19] Speaker 1: And I knew those things earlier. And you know, I
[45:22] Speaker 1: like to use my voice as it's just another instrument
[45:25] Speaker 1: over the track. So that's where the harmonies kind of
[45:29] Speaker 1: came in because I like to you know, if you
[45:33] Speaker 1: if you rapping over certain tracks and you want to
[45:38] Speaker 1: stay in pocket and the pocket is melodic, then you
[45:43] Speaker 1: might have to stretch a word or or harmonize a
[45:46] Speaker 1: word to fit it into that pocket perfectly.
[45:51] Speaker 2: And so that's kind of how it came about for me.
[45:54] Speaker 2: You know, I started.
[45:56] Speaker 1: I'm a pocket wrapper, man. If you ever listen to
[45:59] Speaker 1: me rapping, like you know, like really just listening and
[46:04] Speaker 1: and and listen to the beat and then listen to
[46:06] Speaker 1: how the wording is going with the beat, like I
[46:08] Speaker 1: did on I when I did a great example of it,
[46:13] Speaker 1: when I did maybe is It Murder Music?
[46:16] Speaker 2: With with with Ross.
[46:19] Speaker 1: And I did what I call like, it's my my
[46:22] Speaker 1: one syllable flow on the record. But the beat, it's
[46:28] Speaker 1: like that beat is like one two. It's a little real,
[46:33] Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so the flow is that,
[46:35] Speaker 1: you know what I mean, one crip, one blood La
[46:38] Speaker 1: New York, the Gang, the rule, you know, like just
[46:42] Speaker 1: one syllable hits. And then when the beat starts going crazy,
[46:45] Speaker 1: like then.
[46:47] Speaker 2: I'm on not too you know what I'm saying.
[46:50] Speaker 1: And it's and so when people listening to that, like
[46:54] Speaker 1: they did a poll or who had the best verse,
[46:56] Speaker 1: and everybody said jih. But but like again, people team
[47:00] Speaker 1: is the best rapper. Every rapper was on that motherfucker
[47:03] Speaker 1: I'm talking to. Everybody in the industry was on the record,
[47:05] Speaker 1: and they did a poll who had the best verse
[47:07] Speaker 1: and it was me. Everybody was saying jah. But because
[47:10] Speaker 1: it's the way I made you feel on the record, do.
[47:14] Speaker 2: You care about things like that, like, oh, he's not
[47:16] Speaker 2: the best rapper?
[47:17] Speaker 1: Dude?
[47:18] Speaker 5: You do New York City list?
[47:20] Speaker 2: Do fuck that? I should be way higher on the list.
[47:22] Speaker 4: Fact, but I feel like every time you're not people like, yo,
[47:26] Speaker 4: why is he not there? You know, I take it
[47:28] Speaker 4: with a grain of salt because it is what it is.
[47:31] Speaker 4: I I can't make people fucking you know, understanding and
[47:36] Speaker 4: and and you know, realize what it is.
[47:38] Speaker 1: You know, people do what they do. But yeah, if
[47:42] Speaker 1: you if I'm being honest, when I look at that list,
[47:44] Speaker 1: I'm like, all.
[47:45] Speaker 4: These things for me ship because I think especially with
[47:49] Speaker 4: your like you said, your catalog, your accomplishments, the things
[47:51] Speaker 4: you got.
[47:52] Speaker 3: In New York, I think it's the they don't look
[47:54] Speaker 3: at it is like criteria a bar like a bar
[47:56] Speaker 3: for bar bar for But that's what it looks like,
[48:00] Speaker 3: the criteriasm.
[48:01] Speaker 1: It's only people they deem is spitters, right, That's it
[48:05] Speaker 1: the criteria of these lists, right.
[48:07] Speaker 2: And I'm like hip hop, it's so many yeah, so
[48:10] Speaker 2: many nuances, you know why just that.
[48:14] Speaker 3: But it's like, you know, is considered one of the
[48:16] Speaker 3: best rappers of all time. He's a spinner too, but
[48:19] Speaker 3: he's not.
[48:20] Speaker 1: But then people take points from Drake for you did
[48:23] Speaker 1: you write everything? You know, it's all of these singing
[48:26] Speaker 1: on everything. Yeah, it's all of these little you know
[48:29] Speaker 1: whatever you know, but I feel like, you know, it
[48:35] Speaker 1: reminds me of that old old saying that Kurt Cobain say.
[48:42] Speaker 2: You know, I laugh.
[48:44] Speaker 1: Because I'm not like y'all. I mean, everybody laughs because
[48:49] Speaker 1: I'm not like y'all. But I laugh at y'all because
[48:50] Speaker 1: everybody's the same. That's how I feel with hip hop.
[48:53] Speaker 1: Everybody can do basically one thing. Everybody can rack. Yeah,
[49:00] Speaker 1: can you make hit records? Can you write hit records?
[49:04] Speaker 1: Can you make a record for fucking Mary J Blige,
[49:07] Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez, Ashanti Rubens.
[49:10] Speaker 2: Studdy, you know what I'm saying?
[49:11] Speaker 5: Like and Rikin Glaski, who else where would you put
[49:16] Speaker 5: yourself in it?
[49:17] Speaker 2: And then do shit for? Wrote? Can I get it?
[49:20] Speaker 2: And then I wrote What's Love.
[49:22] Speaker 5: In the former for thirty years in New York City?
[49:25] Speaker 5: Where would you put yourself?
[49:29] Speaker 2: See?
[49:29] Speaker 1: I'm a you know, for me, I always want to
[49:33] Speaker 1: respect the legends that came before me because they don't
[49:37] Speaker 1: always get their props. They don't always get their kudos
[49:39] Speaker 1: for what they were and what they did for this culture.
[49:42] Speaker 2: There's no dusts without these guys. That's just I feel
[49:46] Speaker 2: like we talked to guys in your generation and they
[49:48] Speaker 2: say the same thing. Yeah, because that's that's what it
[49:51] Speaker 2: is like.
[49:52] Speaker 1: I feel like like a ball player, like You're never
[49:55] Speaker 1: gonna hear, you know, Jordan not give it up to
[49:59] Speaker 1: the great that came before him. You're never gonna hear
[50:02] Speaker 1: him say that, even if he knows and feels I'm
[50:04] Speaker 1: the best. You're never going to hear those legends.
[50:06] Speaker 2: And I imagine Queens is in Big Daddy Change and
[50:10] Speaker 2: E P.
[50:11] Speaker 1: M D. Never they they never get mentioned pm D
[50:15] Speaker 1: niggas was credit the niggas got busy, Eric sirmon is
[50:19] Speaker 1: I mean some of the dopest albums in records.
[50:22] Speaker 2: Strictly business, Yeah, for sure. And I'm saying those in
[50:24] Speaker 2: his business. Those records got sampled over and over and
[50:26] Speaker 2: over till today. Yeah. But you know we.
[50:31] Speaker 1: Everybody's a prisoner of the moment. You know, I said
[50:35] Speaker 1: it in one of my rhymes, and it's it's real.
[50:39] Speaker 1: You know, everybody does it whoever does it last, that
[50:43] Speaker 1: it did it better than the whoever did it last
[50:46] Speaker 1: did it better than the first in the first place,
[50:48] Speaker 1: unless you m J pick one dead are all alive.
[50:52] Speaker 1: I'm a moonwalking space jam and Planet nine because I'm
[50:56] Speaker 1: talking about the only two goats that niggas don't fucking
[50:59] Speaker 1: step on. It's Michael Jackson and Michael Jordan.
[51:02] Speaker 2: That's a fact. Yeah it's gonna be tough, you know
[51:05] Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
[51:06] Speaker 1: But everybody else gets stepped through and stepped over niggas,
[51:09] Speaker 1: niggas doing it.
[51:10] Speaker 2: To j right now, that's right now, that's the night feeling.
[51:14] Speaker 2: That's the fact.
[51:15] Speaker 4: Live long enough to see yourself become the villaint.
[51:18] Speaker 2: So I think as a culture, we gotta stop that ship. Man.
[51:21] Speaker 1: We gotta respect because you know, it's like it's like
[51:25] Speaker 1: Lebron gets a lot of disrespect in the game. But yeah,
[51:27] Speaker 1: we're gonna miss that nigga when he's gone. Man, We're
[51:29] Speaker 1: gonna miss Lebron when he ain't playing no more.
[51:31] Speaker 2: Man.
[51:32] Speaker 3: But do you feel that so many times there's a
[51:35] Speaker 3: nostalgia for older It's like basketball player, right, they were.
[51:39] Speaker 5: Shooting free throws like this.
[51:41] Speaker 3: Let's be honest, right, Kevin dur Red is gonna average
[51:45] Speaker 3: one hundred points if he's playing fifty.
[51:47] Speaker 2: Years he game evolved.
[51:50] Speaker 5: It'd be like you'll be looking at.
[51:51] Speaker 3: These old old school rappers and you gotta But then
[51:54] Speaker 3: you look at the catalog he got one song bro
[51:58] Speaker 3: like one showing that.
[51:59] Speaker 1: The game was involved in No, listen, the game is involved,
[52:05] Speaker 1: but he telling like the hip h Yeah, that's what
[52:08] Speaker 1: I'm saying. We used to rap different, That's true, but
[52:10] Speaker 1: you know we used to call that boom bap and
[52:12] Speaker 1: then it went to you know, gangster. I mean it
[52:16] Speaker 1: took levels and I don't know, maybe because we grew
[52:19] Speaker 1: up on it, right, But like, your record still plays today,
[52:23] Speaker 1: Yeah you're not.
[52:25] Speaker 4: It's gonna be tough to hear Kumo d on the radio.
[52:28] Speaker 4: No disrespect to Kumo Dah.
[52:30] Speaker 2: I know what you're saying. Your record still plays thirty
[52:32] Speaker 2: years after.
[52:34] Speaker 5: And stadium stadium because and you're still touring it.
[52:37] Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you your rules and anomaly, okay, and
[52:41] Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why I'm an anomaly because of
[52:45] Speaker 1: what I created. That style is still very relevant today.
[52:49] Speaker 1: So that makes the music still feel fast. Niggas is
[52:53] Speaker 1: still doing what I was doing twenty years ago.
[52:56] Speaker 3: How did it feel for you when you did get
[52:58] Speaker 3: ridiculed for that and then you started to see other people,
[53:02] Speaker 3: not just one person, other people take that style or
[53:07] Speaker 3: take similarities, Like were you looking at it like like
[53:10] Speaker 3: this is like the biggest mindfucking the world.
[53:12] Speaker 1: So they said last did it better than the first
[53:14] Speaker 1: in the first place. That's what I deal with, you
[53:18] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But I'm not. I don't care
[53:19] Speaker 1: about that. I applauded.
[53:22] Speaker 2: Man.
[53:22] Speaker 1: I love to see you know, a bugies as well,
[53:25] Speaker 1: like a bull like these type of artists. Man, I
[53:30] Speaker 1: look at them like, yo, that is what JAB will create.
[53:36] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
[53:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't tree and motherfuckers don't gout of Admitte.
[53:40] Speaker 2: That's fine. You can pick any singing rapping you like
[53:43] Speaker 2: and say that was your influence.
[53:45] Speaker 5: Why and even it was influenced by somebody that was
[53:49] Speaker 5: influenced by something.
[53:50] Speaker 4: We lived through it, man, so there will be no denying.
[53:53] Speaker 4: You talked about We talked about the music. There's other
[53:56] Speaker 4: things that you got going on outside of music. Yeah,
[53:58] Speaker 4: obviously we saw a couple of years ago the fire
[54:02] Speaker 4: situation happened. Obviously a lot was learned from that. But
[54:05] Speaker 4: talk about some of the other business ventures that people
[54:06] Speaker 4: have no idea about. Remember last time we spoke, you
[54:09] Speaker 4: were talking about doing like an app and things like that,
[54:11] Speaker 4: things that people don't really understand.
[54:12] Speaker 2: Like, yes, musician but creative first. Ye always creative first.
[54:19] Speaker 1: And I don't want to skip over the fire thing
[54:22] Speaker 1: because I think people don't talk about their failures enough
[54:26] Speaker 1: right the things. And you know, Warren Buffet said something
[54:29] Speaker 1: very very interesting. He said, I won't even invest in
[54:32] Speaker 1: a company if the CEO hasn't failed twice. Gotta learn, learn,
[54:38] Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta you know, see what steps not
[54:42] Speaker 1: to take too, and business all you you you you
[54:45] Speaker 1: could run down that road more than once. And and
[54:47] Speaker 1: for me, I've learned so much during that debacle. But again,
[54:54] Speaker 1: you know, I also learned a lot about how people
[54:59] Speaker 1: picking shoes, you know who who who gets defended in
[55:03] Speaker 1: our culture and who doesn't? You know like that that
[55:09] Speaker 1: when I look at things like that, that bothers me
[55:11] Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, like if we all doing
[55:16] Speaker 1: this as black men, right, like I root for y'all.
[55:19] Speaker 1: I don't know y'all like that. But when I see y'all,
[55:21] Speaker 1: I smile, like I really do. Man, I see y'all
[55:24] Speaker 1: doing your things, be happy for y'all. I'm like my
[55:27] Speaker 1: black brothers doing they want to. I love to see
[55:30] Speaker 1: that shit. I get happy for people. I don't understand
[55:33] Speaker 1: the other side of it where people don't applaud.
[55:39] Speaker 5: Of their success or they root for your death.
[55:42] Speaker 2: The root for your death. I don't get that ship like,
[55:44] Speaker 2: so what you know?
[55:45] Speaker 1: With the fire ship with me, it was like, all right,
[55:47] Speaker 1: I was cleared of all wrongdoing, but people wanted me
[55:49] Speaker 1: to be guilty so bad. I'm like, why what I
[55:52] Speaker 1: did with your niggas? Say what I did to y'all
[55:54] Speaker 1: to make y'all want me to be in jail?
[55:57] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[56:00] Speaker 1: For some shit that I ain't even you know, like
[56:03] Speaker 1: I could see right if I listen, man, I've been
[56:05] Speaker 1: to jail. I served my time for the crimes that
[56:08] Speaker 1: I did. If I did something, fine, I go to
[56:10] Speaker 1: jail for it. I do you know, you do the time,
[56:12] Speaker 1: do the crime, do the time whatever. But I just
[56:15] Speaker 1: felt like people were so happy to celebrate my fucking
[56:20] Speaker 1: downfall of this. I'm like, y'all say, I want me
[56:22] Speaker 1: to go to fucking jail. It went to rotten jail
[56:25] Speaker 1: or some ship that I was clear for the guy
[56:30] Speaker 1: that did the crime went to jail, but people wanted
[56:33] Speaker 1: it for me, and I was that for me, was like,
[56:36] Speaker 1: you know, see, that's when I look at what we
[56:40] Speaker 1: got going on as a culture, and I'm like, we
[56:42] Speaker 1: gotta do batter.
[56:43] Speaker 5: You think it's the Internet that fuels that type of just.
[56:46] Speaker 1: Nah, I think it's just our culture. I think it's
[56:48] Speaker 1: our culture. I think it's black culture. I think that's
[56:50] Speaker 1: how you know, I used to say that. I used
[56:55] Speaker 1: to look at that as a as a theory, you
[56:58] Speaker 1: know what I mean. But then you realize the crabs
[57:00] Speaker 1: aint supposed to be in a barrow. So yeah, you know,
[57:03] Speaker 1: I think Jay said that famously, but that's a reality,
[57:06] Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
[57:08] Speaker 2: So that goes back to.
[57:12] Speaker 1: You know, and I hate to talk about that because
[57:14] Speaker 1: I feel like we should be one hundred times beyond it.
[57:16] Speaker 1: But when you think about the crab shouldn't be in
[57:18] Speaker 1: a barrow, that goes back to slave slavery.
[57:20] Speaker 2: That's the fact.
[57:21] Speaker 5: So what exactly happened with that? Were you just like
[57:25] Speaker 5: a paid endorser of it?
[57:26] Speaker 1: Like no, no, no, no, no, I fucking I was
[57:30] Speaker 1: a partner in the company, came up with the idea
[57:33] Speaker 1: to do beautiful Fessival on the island. You know, the
[57:38] Speaker 1: whole shit had the right people in play called j
[57:44] Speaker 1: oh I need who does fucking made in America, gave
[57:50] Speaker 1: me the people to do made in America. It's crew
[57:52] Speaker 1: to do in America. Hired them, went on tour. They
[57:56] Speaker 1: were fired for another group that was gonna to charge
[58:00] Speaker 1: just two million dollars less. And I'm like, so we
[58:05] Speaker 1: just went through all of that for two million dollars
[58:09] Speaker 1: less and we hired these bozos. So these are the
[58:12] Speaker 1: things that you know, I learned along the way, Like,
[58:14] Speaker 1: all right, if I'm not the CEO, and he can
[58:20] Speaker 1: make decisions fucking without you know what I'm saying in
[58:23] Speaker 1: these things. So you know, I learned a lot during
[58:26] Speaker 1: that experience.
[58:26] Speaker 6: And and.
[58:29] Speaker 1: I don't take els. I take my lessons, I take
[58:33] Speaker 1: my lumps. I take my lessons. Yeah, but I don't
[58:35] Speaker 1: take ls. You know, we we bounce back fine from that.
[58:40] Speaker 1: What other ventures I know you take that you're investing?
[58:42] Speaker 1: Actually you said, hell, yeah, you're investing. What other ventures
[58:46] Speaker 1: have you taken on after learning some of those lessons?
[58:51] Speaker 1: It's so many things, man, you know. I I got
[58:54] Speaker 1: with my h when an investment group, and we start
[59:00] Speaker 1: of doing so many crazy investments. That's actually how Ambernople
[59:03] Speaker 1: came came about. And that's the liquor brand that's that's
[59:06] Speaker 1: a liquor brand with my with my four partners, my
[59:09] Speaker 1: three partners actually, and it's not a white label. We
[59:11] Speaker 1: started that from scratch.
[59:12] Speaker 5: What kind of look at it.
[59:14] Speaker 2: It's whiskey whiskey, it's a honey whiskey.
[59:16] Speaker 1: So we wanted to, you know, do something a little
[59:19] Speaker 1: more a little different. Yeah, and and and make a
[59:21] Speaker 1: flavored whiskey and and you know in the market.
[59:23] Speaker 2: And so we did that.
[59:24] Speaker 1: But how that came about was because, like I said,
[59:26] Speaker 1: I got a crazy investment group and we're doing all
[59:29] Speaker 1: these crazy investments around COVID time, and we were doing
[59:33] Speaker 1: like a lot of n f T shipped web three shipped,
[59:37] Speaker 1: crypto ship and and and a whiskey dow came across
[59:41] Speaker 1: my desk and so it was to buy a warehouse
[59:45] Speaker 1: full of whiskey, and IOWA with ethereum. So I had
[59:49] Speaker 1: a bunch of ether at the times. I was like, yeah,
[59:52] Speaker 1: now you're talking the language. So yeah, so I you know,
[59:54] Speaker 1: me and my partners we bought the fucking werehouse. And
[59:57] Speaker 1: it was a flip move.
[59:58] Speaker 2: You know.
[59:58] Speaker 1: We at first were just went to wait to the
[1:00:01] Speaker 1: to the whiskey age, you know, seven years and sell
[1:00:03] Speaker 1: it as a premium bourbon and shit. Then when it
[1:00:06] Speaker 1: got to a seven year agent process, we decided to
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: start a company. But the crazy shit is, you know,
[1:00:12] Speaker 1: when we started going to distilleries, you know, figuring out
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: how we can put together this blend. Excuse me, they
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: told us don't use those because those are now premium
[1:00:23] Speaker 1: bourbon barrels. And if we make a honey whiskey and
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: we infuse it with the honey, is going to destroy
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: the aging process.
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: So we bought two year old barrels of bride.
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: Whiskey from Baltimore and we made this, this this amazing
[1:00:40] Speaker 1: blend man Ambernople, a special man's it's on a rocket
[1:00:45] Speaker 1: ship right now. I really, I really feel like we
[1:00:48] Speaker 1: got something special. You know, our biggest marketed promotion has
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: been liquid the lips. Motherfuckers taste it and they're like, yo,
[1:00:56] Speaker 1: you know you know how you give somebody yourself and
[1:01:00] Speaker 1: to hit you with the fake. You know. The reason
[1:01:05] Speaker 1: why I know it's not the fake is because this
[1:01:08] Speaker 1: is the reaction I get. Oh, this is really you
[1:01:13] Speaker 1: fect ship? All right, all right, but gee I got
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: you so so you know that's been our biggest you know,
[1:01:20] Speaker 1: marketing strategies is people getting in front of people and
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: nothing that actually takes the product.
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: And we like they can buy it directly from Yeah,
[1:01:27] Speaker 2: we're in total wands.
[1:01:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in total wins. We're in We're only in
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: seven markets right now. So we were scaling, scaling slow,
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: but but at a at a good pace. Sometimes when
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: you go too broad and you lose yourself. So we're
[1:01:43] Speaker 1: trying to you know, own own these markets first and
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: then and then you know, branch out.
[1:01:48] Speaker 3: You know, I wanted to ask you because we got
[1:01:50] Speaker 3: perspective from Chris Gotti. Shout out to Chris when that
[1:01:53] Speaker 3: whole fake case happened, how it how it impacted him personally.
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: You wasn't in the FED case, but obviously you're impacted
[1:02:01] Speaker 3: by it because you know Murdain.
[1:02:03] Speaker 5: How did that impact you? Like, how did how did that?
[1:02:07] Speaker 3: Because I never really heard your side of it because
[1:02:09] Speaker 3: you wasn't on trial, but obviously you.
[1:02:12] Speaker 5: Know it's basically yeah, yeah, so how did that impact you?
[1:02:15] Speaker 1: Like, I mean, you gotta understand that was that was
[1:02:18] Speaker 1: that time, That was a time when when I'm going
[1:02:21] Speaker 1: through the beef ship with fifty and I can't I
[1:02:26] Speaker 1: can't speak, So that's how it affected me. First, I can't.
[1:02:36] Speaker 1: I can't go and speak and rap right now because
[1:02:41] Speaker 1: of the things that I may rap about or say
[1:02:44] Speaker 1: it may not you know, fit well with the FEDS,
[1:02:50] Speaker 1: and and you know, they trying to use lyrics as
[1:02:53] Speaker 1: evidence and this and that and the third and so
[1:02:56] Speaker 1: I was like, you know, what's better for me not
[1:02:57] Speaker 1: to say nothing to incriminate myself by saying something that
[1:03:01] Speaker 1: you know, just don't say nothing, you know what I'm saying.
[1:03:03] Speaker 1: So that was the first thing. It was like, okay, wow,
[1:03:06] Speaker 1: I'm being attacked. Can't can't really say nothing back, which
[1:03:08] Speaker 1: was all right whatever. So that was that.
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: But then how we lost the label too behind that?
[1:03:14] Speaker 2: So now shut the label?
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, they shut it down because you know,
[1:03:20] Speaker 1: the FAS was all up in their ship.
[1:03:21] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:03:22] Speaker 1: Yo, you know what I'm saying, like, we need the
[1:03:24] Speaker 1: budgets are looking up under yadhood too. White bends clean
[1:03:29] Speaker 1: of these guys, so we can take care of these guys.
[1:03:31] Speaker 1: You know, that's how they play. And so we had
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: to deal with that. It was it was tough, man.
[1:03:37] Speaker 2: That was that.
[1:03:38] Speaker 1: That was the tough situation. You know, the beef ship
[1:03:41] Speaker 1: was or whatever. You know, I didn't know how that
[1:03:43] Speaker 1: was going to turn out. At the time, I'm just
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: thinking it's a rap beef. It was whatever, you know
[1:03:47] Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Might think about these these niggas, you
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But yeah, not a hip hop
[1:03:52] Speaker 1: industry was feeding into all of that while were going
[1:03:55] Speaker 1: through you know, a real a real real situations.
[1:04:01] Speaker 2: You know. Clap back in New York happened during those times.
[1:04:04] Speaker 4: Yeah, which is interesting because I'm like, they're still wonderful
[1:04:08] Speaker 4: and wonderful. There's still all these creative records that become hiss. Obviously,
[1:04:14] Speaker 4: there's pain that's going on. There's a lot of stuff
[1:04:16] Speaker 4: going on. You're making the music at this age, and
[1:04:19] Speaker 4: I'm happy to see you here, happy to see you
[1:04:21] Speaker 4: mature as y'all.
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: Do you still feel that passion to still create music
[1:04:25] Speaker 2: for yourself or right for others? Yeah? I still do.
[1:04:28] Speaker 1: I still you know, I got a studio in my house,
[1:04:31] Speaker 1: so I use it some time to time. I got
[1:04:35] Speaker 1: to get inspired. Now I'm like, you know, I'm not
[1:04:40] Speaker 1: doing it as a profession per se, and you know,
[1:04:43] Speaker 1: not doing it to really be competitive no more. I
[1:04:46] Speaker 1: just kind of do it as therapy, you know. I
[1:04:48] Speaker 1: go in and shit, I make dis records. I make
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: a kind of shit. I got it when I die.
[1:04:53] Speaker 1: I guess y'all get them all. You know what I'm saying.
[1:04:54] Speaker 2: But I go in and I clean out, I air oute.
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: I don't. I don't let nothing live on the inside.
[1:05:03] Speaker 1: It's like when I was in jail, I had to
[1:05:05] Speaker 1: figure out how to take my mind out of this place.
[1:05:09] Speaker 2: Your body's here. Gun charge, gun charge. But it's crazy.
[1:05:13] Speaker 1: I did stay there faed time because you know, I
[1:05:15] Speaker 1: did my stay time for the gun charge. And then
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: as soon as I got released, the fans came and
[1:05:20] Speaker 1: got me for failure to foul taxes.
[1:05:25] Speaker 5: So you know that was talking about that.
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: That was cute.
[1:05:28] Speaker 3: What's what's the story behind that? What the taxes related
[1:05:32] Speaker 3: to you being in jail?
[1:05:32] Speaker 5: The taxes? Your accounting was doing something?
[1:05:34] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I was doing some crazy shit.
[1:05:38] Speaker 1: You know. I didn't understand money at the time, so
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: I would that part. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would do
[1:05:43] Speaker 1: ship Like, yo, you give me two fifty for the show.
[1:05:48] Speaker 1: Bet give me fifty in cash and send it over
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: two hundred to the ship. In my mind, that fifty
[1:05:55] Speaker 1: is free cash.
[1:05:56] Speaker 2: I don't know why I thought that like, I just thought,
[1:05:59] Speaker 2: if you gave it to me cash, it ain't on
[1:06:01] Speaker 2: the books. I don't know why I thought that. So
[1:06:04] Speaker 2: I did that to the tuner, like three million fucking dollars.
[1:06:07] Speaker 5: Oh yeah, when you was getting paid, you was getting
[1:06:09] Speaker 5: paid the cash a lot of it.
[1:06:11] Speaker 2: I just wasn't reporting.
[1:06:12] Speaker 3: He wasn't reporting it. How did they find out? They
[1:06:15] Speaker 3: just started looking snooping around seeing promoters.
[1:06:18] Speaker 2: That's a good question. I think.
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: I think when the fair case and that should happen.
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: You know, he's getting poking around. What else can what
[1:06:26] Speaker 1: else can we get these niggas? Oh ship this nigga.
[1:06:29] Speaker 1: Oh so he made all of this money, but he
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: didn't report this money that's going on over here. Let's
[1:06:35] Speaker 1: you know how much money did you have to pay back?
[1:06:39] Speaker 5: Oh you had to pay back three million and you
[1:06:41] Speaker 5: did jail time.
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: Wow, my lawyer was really good.
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: Shout out to stay she Richmond and Mary Richmond. I
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: don't I'm not sure, but I don't think this happens
[1:06:54] Speaker 1: very often.
[1:06:55] Speaker 2: But she ran my.
[1:06:59] Speaker 1: Chargers current on a state and a fed charge that
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: will completely Yeah, like one is the violence, Josh, and
[1:07:08] Speaker 1: one was a fucking and she I don't know how
[1:07:11] Speaker 1: she did it.
[1:07:11] Speaker 2: But she did it.
[1:07:12] Speaker 1: And so the reason why the fans came and got
[1:07:14] Speaker 1: me was because I owed more time. Okay, so they
[1:07:17] Speaker 1: came and got it. And then she was trying to
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: get me your house arrest and let me do the
[1:07:21] Speaker 1: rest of the time at home home home.
[1:07:23] Speaker 5: You know, how was it a sacrifice to repay?
[1:07:25] Speaker 3: Because we talked to Steve Harvey and he was saying
[1:07:27] Speaker 3: he owed the irs eight million dollars and they put
[1:07:30] Speaker 3: him on some crazy payment playing like one hundred thousand
[1:07:32] Speaker 3: dollars a month and like if you missed one payment,
[1:07:34] Speaker 3: you're going to jail.
[1:07:35] Speaker 5: And he's like, that's when he started to just do
[1:07:37] Speaker 5: any type of show. He was Saturday Sunday one day,
[1:07:40] Speaker 5: like he was just going crazy, like he was going crazy.
[1:07:43] Speaker 5: I think it might have been like a million a month.
[1:07:45] Speaker 2: It was, it was. It was one hundred thousand a month,
[1:07:46] Speaker 2: undred thosand a month. It was crazy.
[1:07:48] Speaker 3: It was crazy trying to you up, like obviously you're
[1:07:51] Speaker 3: going through all of this, and then you got like
[1:07:53] Speaker 3: did that put like a financial strain on you? Like, damn,
[1:07:56] Speaker 3: I got a really you.
[1:07:58] Speaker 1: Know it did. For a minute, you know, I had
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: to you know, I like to think I'm smart more money.
[1:08:05] Speaker 1: You know, I think I could be a lot smarter
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: one money, especially if if watching and I'm like, I
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: could be a lot smarter. But but you know, I
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: like to believe I'm smart money and I do smart
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: things more money. And in that moment, I did, so
[1:08:20] Speaker 1: you had and I had had the next day and
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: I was able to get through the two years.
[1:08:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so that was fine. You know, you
[1:08:30] Speaker 2: live and you learn, you know what I mean.
[1:08:32] Speaker 1: I made a lot of money, spent a lot of money,
[1:08:35] Speaker 1: you know, saved us enough money, you know, and and
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: and and I'm still able to earn.
[1:08:40] Speaker 2: So that that to me is the biggest part.
[1:08:42] Speaker 3: Like because that's the stories that Chris tells us, Like
[1:08:45] Speaker 3: he like, yo, like I remember going to La They
[1:08:49] Speaker 3: in a mansion, they got all the gang members and right,
[1:08:51] Speaker 3: He's like that's what I knew. Like Okay, look, yeah,
[1:08:54] Speaker 3: this ship is we need to get this under control, yo.
[1:08:59] Speaker 1: I used to So my first endeavor and anything getting
[1:09:03] Speaker 1: money is we went and got a crib in Hollywood Hills.
[1:09:08] Speaker 2: This is the story. It was like the most ghetto
[1:09:11] Speaker 2: mansion you get.
[1:09:12] Speaker 1: I got this house and it was I was gonna
[1:09:17] Speaker 1: go there and record my album, my second album, and
[1:09:19] Speaker 1: then shoot fast and furious while we were out there
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: and l like we were shooting it out there in
[1:09:23] Speaker 1: l A.
[1:09:24] Speaker 2: And so it was.
[1:09:27] Speaker 1: It was a glorious time, man, you know, and and
[1:09:29] Speaker 1: and but we didn't discriminate. Bloods, cribs.
[1:09:32] Speaker 2: Everybody, come on. He said.
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: It was so wild and we were so wild, Like
[1:09:40] Speaker 1: we be in the pool and you know, guns just
[1:09:43] Speaker 1: around the edge of the pool.
[1:09:45] Speaker 4: There was a bowl in the front. You know, everybody
[1:09:47] Speaker 4: put any type of weapons here and you enjoy yourself.
[1:09:51] Speaker 5: It was just he said, he walked in, he was
[1:09:53] Speaker 5: just like.
[1:09:54] Speaker 2: Chris.
[1:09:56] Speaker 1: Chris came in. We was already moving and grooving. You know,
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: it was already rocking and roll and it was crazy.
[1:10:02] Speaker 2: It was.
[1:10:02] Speaker 1: There was no there was no stopping it. By the
[1:10:05] Speaker 1: time you know, Chris, you know, started coming into the
[1:10:08] Speaker 1: phrase ship, it wasn't.
[1:10:09] Speaker 3: I got to ask you a hip hop question, Nas,
[1:10:12] Speaker 3: what happened from that from your perspective, like, what what
[1:10:15] Speaker 3: exactly happened with that?
[1:10:17] Speaker 5: It was a talkie sign. I did the record, but
[1:10:19] Speaker 5: then he never actually did sign.
[1:10:21] Speaker 3: What was the thought process and bringing Nas to murder
[1:10:25] Speaker 3: inc And did you have a conversation with Nas.
[1:10:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, Nas came to my crib. You know, we kicked it,
[1:10:31] Speaker 1: and ship I was, you know, I think I think
[1:10:37] Speaker 1: me and Me and Gotty was a little too crazy
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: for Nas.
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: You know.
[1:10:40] Speaker 1: Nas has the famous story where I think gott He
[1:10:43] Speaker 1: told the story. He was like, Yo, we're gonna be martyrs,
[1:10:49] Speaker 1: got crazy. But I was on that crazy shit. I
[1:10:52] Speaker 1: didn't give a fuck, you know.
[1:10:53] Speaker 3: I I.
[1:10:55] Speaker 1: Thought I was gonna die young. I was, you know,
[1:10:58] Speaker 1: from when I was, you know, just a kid in
[1:11:02] Speaker 1: the hood selling drugs. You know, just just just what
[1:11:05] Speaker 1: I believe. You know what I'm saying. I'm not gonna
[1:11:06] Speaker 1: make it past twenty five. So let's let's let's run
[1:11:08] Speaker 1: it up, Let's do everything. And that's why I spent
[1:11:11] Speaker 1: so much money. That's why I spent a lot of
[1:11:13] Speaker 1: money when I got money, because I was like, well,
[1:11:14] Speaker 1: they're gonna last week. I ain't gonna be.
[1:11:16] Speaker 2: Its ignorant me, you know.
[1:11:20] Speaker 1: But but Nas came to my crib. We kicked it,
[1:11:25] Speaker 1: and I remember, I'm like, Yo, nigga, we're gonna turn
[1:11:28] Speaker 1: the city Upga get matching Ferrari's We're gonna run around.
[1:11:32] Speaker 2: Nigga crazy for you, and I was like, yeah, nigga cut.
[1:11:38] Speaker 2: And I remember telling Nas about the deal, and that's.
[1:11:46] Speaker 7: When I think things were left about what deal, the
[1:11:51] Speaker 7: deal we were gonna do at Sony, the new murder
[1:11:55] Speaker 7: Ink deal. Yeah, yeah, he had he had just left
[1:12:00] Speaker 7: Sony of Columbia.
[1:12:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, they were.
[1:12:07] Speaker 1: From what I heard, from what I knew, they were
[1:12:10] Speaker 1: giving me nads a certain amount of money, a peace
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: and Nas was under a different impression that he was
[1:12:20] Speaker 1: getting more less less. And I was like, nah, I
[1:12:27] Speaker 1: ain't the deal.
[1:12:29] Speaker 2: And so.
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: Things were left from there. You know, that ain't my business.
[1:12:35] Speaker 1: That's not business, you know what I'm saying. But things
[1:12:37] Speaker 1: just didn't work out from there once I kind of
[1:12:40] Speaker 1: you know, and that's my brother.
[1:12:41] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I'm not going on.
[1:12:43] Speaker 1: It's Queen's Yeah, I'm not going not you know what
[1:12:46] Speaker 1: I'm saying. Tell them what I know, what's going on.
[1:12:50] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But it ruined the whole deal.
[1:12:53] Speaker 1: Nobody got paid, you know what I said. Nobody got
[1:12:55] Speaker 1: no money that situation, you know what I'm saying.
[1:12:58] Speaker 3: And you just did it because you're like, what this up?
[1:12:59] Speaker 3: But then somebody else had already told him a number,
[1:13:02] Speaker 3: so there was a difference.
[1:13:05] Speaker 2: It me me and solid. Yeah, so.
[1:13:09] Speaker 5: Wasn't you guys somebody else.
[1:13:13] Speaker 1: Tell me something that we're doing a deal. We're going
[1:13:15] Speaker 1: to keep the numbers real with me, tell me what
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: it is. You know what I'm saying. I heard it
[1:13:22] Speaker 1: was the old you know, the old baiting switch, like
[1:13:28] Speaker 1: how much you want?
[1:13:31] Speaker 2: Get me this much? I bet come back to you.
[1:13:36] Speaker 2: I got you this much, my niggard.
[1:13:39] Speaker 5: But it's really.
[1:13:45] Speaker 1: Like that, ain't what's uping You're saying? Not just you know,
[1:13:49] Speaker 1: I may have been wrong in the situation, but nah,
[1:13:53] Speaker 1: I don't think so. You know what I'm saying. When
[1:13:55] Speaker 1: i'm I'm like I said, I like, I enjoy seeing
[1:14:00] Speaker 1: niggas went so fuck that, you know what I'm saying.
[1:14:02] Speaker 1: So and you know so, so after that, the deal
[1:14:05] Speaker 1: fell apart. This whole situation fell apart, and it just
[1:14:08] Speaker 1: didn't happen. It may have been other things involved too,
[1:14:12] Speaker 1: but I know that's kind of weird.
[1:14:15] Speaker 4: Started that that speaks to the growth and the maturity
[1:14:19] Speaker 4: of hip hop, right, So, like it was a young
[1:14:22] Speaker 4: man's game and we never saw people age and now
[1:14:24] Speaker 4: we're getting to see people make mistakes come, bathroom. Those
[1:14:28] Speaker 4: mistakes still get to revisit, those that court base that
[1:14:31] Speaker 4: they grew with and still thrive. I told you I
[1:14:34] Speaker 4: was excited when I saw you celebrate your daughter getting married. Yeah,
[1:14:37] Speaker 4: fatherhood is something that we didn't get to see like
[1:14:40] Speaker 4: it was. I guess Run's house would be that and
[1:14:42] Speaker 4: Tip did it too. Talk about that piece of having
[1:14:46] Speaker 4: a wife as stability and watching your kids grow married
[1:14:49] Speaker 4: like grandfather, your grandfather or looking.
[1:14:53] Speaker 6: My daughter just had her first child. It was a
[1:14:57] Speaker 6: daughter baby. Yeah, I thought he's gonna say, nah, I love.
[1:15:03] Speaker 2: My daughter, man.
[1:15:04] Speaker 1: I love that bello with me and ship. I can't
[1:15:06] Speaker 1: let you get bigger, so I could really you know,
[1:15:09] Speaker 1: take you know, I already started her little custodial account. Man.
[1:15:13] Speaker 2: She she's gonna be richer in all of it. Was
[1:15:15] Speaker 2: watching you know, she's gonna be richer than all of us. Man.
[1:15:19] Speaker 1: But you know those those are the things that I'm
[1:15:22] Speaker 1: happy for. You know that I'm able to provide for
[1:15:25] Speaker 1: my family. Dude, you know those are the things that
[1:15:27] Speaker 1: are important to me. The hip hop ship is cool.
[1:15:30] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
[1:15:31] Speaker 2: I love it.
[1:15:31] Speaker 1: I love hip hop. It's is live Eat Die, breathe
[1:15:34] Speaker 1: hip hop man, you know what I mean. But there's
[1:15:37] Speaker 1: another side to it. You know, there's life. It's real,
[1:15:41] Speaker 1: real life to live, you know, And that's the important
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: side of it. Like all of the other ship it's cool,
[1:15:49] Speaker 1: all the material ship it's cool.
[1:15:52] Speaker 2: I said, babysitting and playing golf. What's the work? What's work?
[1:15:55] Speaker 2: I regimen?
[1:15:56] Speaker 3: Because that's another thing too. You've always maintained physical fitness
[1:15:59] Speaker 3: a lot of rappers. That doesn't happen a lot of
[1:16:01] Speaker 3: people just in general. Yeah, fifty years old, like you're
[1:16:04] Speaker 3: in really good shape.
[1:16:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, workout every day?
[1:16:06] Speaker 5: What's the workout regimen?
[1:16:07] Speaker 1: I go down to my gym. I got my gym
[1:16:09] Speaker 1: in the crib too. Everything's in my house, so I
[1:16:13] Speaker 1: gotta leave that motherfucker. You know what I'm saying. That's
[1:16:15] Speaker 1: that's I used to have trouble the lice I used
[1:16:18] Speaker 1: to have in Trouble Kid Peter the Life.
[1:16:21] Speaker 5: But I go to I work out, but just regularly. No,
[1:16:25] Speaker 5: you don't do nothing crazy.
[1:16:26] Speaker 1: You eat, you eat, I eat good, then I then
[1:16:29] Speaker 1: I work out. I I hate the iron still. I
[1:16:32] Speaker 1: see my man. No, I ain't gonna lie my man.
[1:16:34] Speaker 1: A I was locked up with you now and Ship.
[1:16:37] Speaker 1: I seen this nigga doing motherfucking declines two twenty five
[1:16:42] Speaker 1: and in the clip still I'm like, still doing that Ship. Well,
[1:16:46] Speaker 1: I need to get back into tip because we were.
[1:16:48] Speaker 1: When I was in Jil was a monster.
[1:16:49] Speaker 2: I was. I was, I was yoked up. It's crazy,
[1:16:52] Speaker 2: you know, But I do all that shit. I don't.
[1:16:55] Speaker 1: I am a person that likes to show up. You
[1:16:58] Speaker 1: ain't never gonna see me do the work you go
[1:17:01] Speaker 1: on my Grammy. Ain't gonna see me doing no work
[1:17:03] Speaker 1: on that ship. But I work out a box train.
[1:17:06] Speaker 1: Mm a train. I do all that Ship, just waiting
[1:17:09] Speaker 1: for the day a nigga to find out. Oh Ship,
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: I didn't know this nigga could do that. I didn't
[1:17:16] Speaker 1: know you could put me in this hole and ship
[1:17:18] Speaker 1: knows more time Ship, I didn't know it.
[1:17:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not gonna know.
[1:17:24] Speaker 1: You're not gonna know it what I'm saying. But to me,
[1:17:27] Speaker 1: that's important showing up. You talk about sh all day
[1:17:32] Speaker 1: showing up, you know. Michael Beazey said somethl ship when
[1:17:36] Speaker 1: he I seen him on the podcast with Shop and
[1:17:42] Speaker 1: he said, he said, if tomorrow was a place that
[1:17:46] Speaker 1: we all had to be you know how many people
[1:17:50] Speaker 1: wouldn't make it mm hmm. That to me is fucking
[1:17:54] Speaker 1: prolific and deep because that is facts. Tomorrow's get it's
[1:18:00] Speaker 1: the day you know it's gonna come. Some people take
[1:18:02] Speaker 1: it for granted. If tomorrow was a place that we
[1:18:06] Speaker 1: all had to get to and be, you know how
[1:18:09] Speaker 1: many people would fucking make it.
[1:18:13] Speaker 2: Work?
[1:18:13] Speaker 1: Ethic, dedication, discipline. A lot of people don't have that
[1:18:20] Speaker 1: and that, and that to me is showing up. I
[1:18:22] Speaker 1: don't need you to see me do the work because
[1:18:24] Speaker 1: most of the time when you see niggas do on
[1:18:26] Speaker 1: the GRAMD, they ain't doing the work.
[1:18:28] Speaker 2: They cheating.
[1:18:29] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Where they say in movies
[1:18:30] Speaker 1: and see we're gonna cheat it. We're gonna cheat the
[1:18:33] Speaker 1: shot right here, you know what I'm saying. That's they're
[1:18:34] Speaker 1: doing the cheating the shot. They're not really you know.
[1:18:39] Speaker 2: So I like to show up.
[1:18:41] Speaker 1: And people know, people that know me, that depend on me,
[1:18:44] Speaker 1: they know Rule don't show up, you know what I'm saying.
[1:18:47] Speaker 1: Nobody in my circle knows, they know they can depend
[1:18:52] Speaker 1: on me. They know if Rule gotta show, he ain't
[1:18:55] Speaker 1: gonna be late. You know what I'm saying he's gonna
[1:18:57] Speaker 1: be on time, he's gonna be gonna rock, he gonna
[1:18:59] Speaker 1: do job. You're gonna do what he's supposed You know
[1:19:01] Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm not gonna let my team down.
[1:19:03] Speaker 1: And I expect the same from my team. You if
[1:19:09] Speaker 1: if I'm at the top of the food chain and
[1:19:11] Speaker 1: and and I worked this hard, you gotta work just
[1:19:15] Speaker 1: as hard, if not hard.
[1:19:17] Speaker 2: And you know that's just the way it is.
[1:19:20] Speaker 3: My brother has been a plays like us too. My
[1:19:23] Speaker 3: favorite February, Yeah, Mary before me leap March recently, let's go.
[1:19:37] Speaker 2: These brothers.
[1:19:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it. Main thing you want to tell
[1:19:40] Speaker 3: the public before we before we head.
[1:19:41] Speaker 1: Out, go get that an o uh and total wanes
[1:19:48] Speaker 1: and you can get us online to a seal box
[1:19:50] Speaker 1: dot com and flavoryard dot com.
[1:19:53] Speaker 2: We was voted the number one flavor whiskey this year.
[1:19:56] Speaker 5: Can we get it? Can we get a bottle?
[1:19:58] Speaker 2: Yes?
[1:19:58] Speaker 1: I've been break man. I meant to bring me a
[1:20:01] Speaker 1: bottle with me, but then I went down to my ship.
[1:20:03] Speaker 1: I don't drinking the ship too. It was like a
[1:20:06] Speaker 1: fucking half a bottle of I'm not doing that.
[1:20:10] Speaker 2: I'm bringing love doing that, so I will make sure
[1:20:13] Speaker 2: I'm sending you. Just let me know where I want
[1:20:17] Speaker 2: me to send it.
[1:20:19] Speaker 5: Yeah, well, keep up the great work.
[1:20:22] Speaker 3: Been a great ambassador to hip hop, not just from
[1:20:23] Speaker 3: a music stamp, people from a lifestamp.
[1:20:25] Speaker 2: And we work. Yeah, we got so. Yeah, I do
[1:20:27] Speaker 2: want to.
[1:20:28] Speaker 1: I want to let y'all know, man, I got an
[1:20:30] Speaker 1: amazing uh production company, my My, my Icon Media, my
[1:20:36] Speaker 1: Icon Network, and we're doing fucking amazing original content right now.
[1:20:44] Speaker 1: I'm developing a show right now. It's just going to
[1:20:47] Speaker 1: be the next fucking hottest ship in the streets. It's
[1:20:52] Speaker 1: a prime drama cop drama that fucking captures New York
[1:20:59] Speaker 1: City and mid eighties early nineties. And it is fucking
[1:21:04] Speaker 1: it is it is that one I'm telling you. I'm
[1:21:08] Speaker 1: telling you it's from the era of New York Undercover.
[1:21:11] Speaker 1: It's the Wire?
[1:21:13] Speaker 2: Is that one? It is fucking that one? Man? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
[1:21:19] Speaker 2: And are you still acting? Yeah? I'm a be in it.
[1:21:21] Speaker 2: I'm being it.
[1:21:23] Speaker 1: I mean, you don't get credit for that, Dylan McDermott.
[1:21:25] Speaker 1: You get in with a good actor. I'm DC you know,
[1:21:29] Speaker 1: I could you know. I'm my own worst critic and
[1:21:32] Speaker 1: so when I watched myself act. Now I can see
[1:21:36] Speaker 1: I can't do that with rat but with acting, I
[1:21:40] Speaker 1: can watch and say, Okay, I could have did this,
[1:21:42] Speaker 1: But I could have you know what I'm saying. I
[1:21:43] Speaker 1: could have walked in the room like this, I could
[1:21:45] Speaker 1: have you analyzed those things and then in the moments
[1:21:49] Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, I can be better here. I
[1:21:51] Speaker 1: could be better here. The timing of how I said
[1:21:54] Speaker 1: that could have been all of those things. So I'm
[1:21:56] Speaker 1: a very big critic on myself and this next project,
[1:21:59] Speaker 1: and he's a couple of the next projects that I'm
[1:22:01] Speaker 1: doing is going to showcase the good actor that I.
[1:22:05] Speaker 2: That I that I can be. I will give you credit.
[1:22:07] Speaker 5: Favorite job, favorite.
[1:22:09] Speaker 4: Song, favorite job, I mean, put it on me is
[1:22:11] Speaker 4: obviously that that's just a classic. As you were talking,
[1:22:16] Speaker 4: I started thinking of lot, can we get a break cave?
[1:22:21] Speaker 4: We ain't really happy here? That's the that's the that's
[1:22:24] Speaker 4: the that's the army man, And I don't know what
[1:22:29] Speaker 4: that's in my head because Yo, So when I was
[1:22:31] Speaker 4: in jail, so many niggas said that chance got them
[1:22:34] Speaker 4: to a lot of but those are my army cadence chants.
[1:22:39] Speaker 4: That so if I didn't make it a hip hop.
[1:22:44] Speaker 2: I was going to put it on me, not number
[1:22:47] Speaker 2: one to me.
[1:22:49] Speaker 5: My favorite song, it's never again, never again, so.
[1:22:58] Speaker 2: Never good again. Those are the records that people don't
[1:23:05] Speaker 2: listen to to really hear, y'all rule.
[1:23:07] Speaker 1: They listen to put it on me now exactly chats
[1:23:10] Speaker 1: a bubble gum rap Nigga makes to sing song for
[1:23:12] Speaker 1: the chicks.
[1:23:13] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But I love clap Back too, though,
[1:23:18] Speaker 2: clap back back, see for me clap back. I love
[1:23:21] Speaker 2: that record. I love it.
[1:23:23] Speaker 1: I love the beat, I love what it what it
[1:23:28] Speaker 1: feels like. I don't love all the lyrics. I love them,
[1:23:33] Speaker 1: I don't love all the lyrics. I felt like I
[1:23:35] Speaker 1: could have harder yes, because it was a disc record,
[1:23:39] Speaker 1: and I felt like I should have fucking went.
[1:23:41] Speaker 2: I felt like it's a mantra. Though. You know, I
[1:23:43] Speaker 2: was getting.
[1:23:44] Speaker 1: Bottled up a lot, man, like, you know, fucking New York,
[1:23:46] Speaker 1: because I was going that Niggas in New York. That
[1:23:48] Speaker 1: record is I started fifty you pussy not even It
[1:23:53] Speaker 1: wasn't Niggas.
[1:23:54] Speaker 2: Was, you know what I'm saying.
[1:23:55] Speaker 1: Fact, that's how it started. But you know, Niggas was
[1:23:58] Speaker 1: like come on, we're trying to get this play. I'm
[1:24:01] Speaker 1: all right, man, the most.
[1:24:03] Speaker 4: Important record and this influenced my travel Halla holla. The
[1:24:10] Speaker 4: video was shot in Brazil. Yes, the video was so crazy.
[1:24:13] Speaker 4: Shout out to my Mike Williams. He went to study abroad.
[1:24:17] Speaker 4: I actually followed the footsteps of that video. I went
[1:24:20] Speaker 4: to Rio, man couple. I tried to find a club
[1:24:22] Speaker 4: that you would club help.
[1:24:24] Speaker 2: I found it. Talk after that was a motherfucker man.
[1:24:31] Speaker 4: Snoop had the beautiful joint Yella.
[1:24:35] Speaker 1: He was first to go to rial and then Snoop
[1:24:37] Speaker 1: did the steps. It was sponsor family. You go to
[1:24:40] Speaker 1: real the Hey, you know just what Mom is just
[1:24:42] Speaker 1: on the beat, So I don't really but they decreased though.
[1:24:44] Speaker 1: They always talk about John New club help right away
[1:24:47] Speaker 1: and he's the Yeah for sure, y'ah, my brother. I
[1:24:54] Speaker 1: appreciate y'all man always man, keep doing what you're doing.
[1:24:58] Speaker 5: Yeah for sure, See you next week. Eat peace.

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