# SKILLA BABY ON GETTING SHOT & THE STRUGGLE TO FORGIVE | DETROIT REAL ESTATE, STOCKS & NEW ALBUM

An episode of [Earn Your Leisure](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1450211392), 27 Aug 2026, 1 h 06 min.

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In this episode of Earn Your Leisure, we sit down with Detroit’s own Skilla Baby for a powerful conversation about music, money, real estate, survival, and legacy. Skilla breaks down how he’s built relationships in Detroit, why giving back matters to him, and how he’s earned massive returns flipping houses and investing in properties throughout the city. We also dive into the personal side of success. Skilla opens up about survivor’s remorse, being shot, paranoia, forgiveness, fame, and overcoming one of the toughest chapters of his life. He shares the lessons he learned losing three Richard Milles, navigating the music industry through trial and error, and how he landed a Nas feature on his album. Plus, we introduce Skilla to the world of stocks, venture capital, and long-term investing. We break down why the wealthiest people in the world own equities, the danger of buying high and selling low, and how a lack of financial education can keep people away from opportunities that could build generational wealth. #EarnYourLeisure #SkillaBaby #EYL #Detroit #RealEstate #StockMarket #Investing #FinancialLiteracy #HipHop #WealthBuilding #Entrepreneurship #Nas See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: The most gangster thing you could do is heal. When
[0:03] Speaker 1: that tragic incident happened, you got shot, right? Does that
[0:05] Speaker 1: make you your heart colder or does that make you
[0:07] Speaker 1: angry inside? I was really evil. The hardest thing for
[0:11] Speaker 1: me was let it go. If you gonna make a decision,
[0:13] Speaker 1: sit on it first and weigh your options.
[0:15] Speaker 2: You said, I realized that I was an evil person
[0:17] Speaker 2: and I'm wondering what got you out of that space.
[0:19] Speaker 1: I had to discipline myself and really make my mind stronger.
[0:22] Speaker 1: Before I made my body stronger, I had to really
[0:25] Speaker 1: test my faith. A lot of times people get money
[0:27] Speaker 1: when they're young. They spend all of the money. What
[0:29] Speaker 1: made you say, okay, let me do something a little different.
[0:32] Speaker 1: Let me invest the money. Let me buy real estate.
[0:34] Speaker 1: If all those pills and everything goes bad for me,
[0:37] Speaker 1: rap don't work, if acting don't work, if I don't
[0:39] Speaker 1: make another dollar off entertainment or stuff like that, I
[0:42] Speaker 1: know I have this. Who's giving you the education and
[0:45] Speaker 1: how are you learning about the music business? Don't go
[0:47] Speaker 1: into business thinking that everything's supposed to be 50-50. I'm
[0:50] Speaker 1: trying to have more leverage than the person that's countering me.
[0:53] Speaker 2: What's that first moment like when you actually touch real money?
[0:56] Speaker 1: I used to do stuff like I would go to
[0:58] Speaker 1: the bank just to get money out, just to look
[1:00] Speaker 1: at it like, damn, I really got money. Like, I'm
[1:03] Speaker 1: a real millionaire. This is really crazy. My biggest test
[1:05] Speaker 1: is going to be when I do get everything I
[1:08] Speaker 1: want and see if I'm still going to keep praying.
[1:11] Speaker 1: All right, y'all, welcome back. Welcome back. Yeah, yeah. Special guest,
[1:15] Speaker 1: Skill of Baby. What's going on, my brother? What up, though? Yeah,
[1:17] Speaker 1: my guy. How y'all feeling? We good, man.
[1:18] Speaker 2: How you feeling?
[1:19] Speaker 1: I'm good, man.
[1:20] Speaker 3: I'm blessed.
[1:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, man. Congratulations, man. You got a lot going on
[1:24] Speaker 1: with the project. How does it feel to be able
[1:28] Speaker 1: to put new work out and to, you know, actually
[1:31] Speaker 1: still be here to receive the love from your fans
[1:34] Speaker 1: and create the music?
[1:37] Speaker 3: It feels amazing.
[1:37] Speaker 1: I'm blessed, man.
[1:40] Speaker 3: I'm blessed beyond measures. I'm excited. I'm nervous.
[1:44] Speaker 1: It's my first real body of work studio album, so
[1:49] Speaker 1: I'm just ready to see how people digest it. I'm
[1:54] Speaker 1: excited because it's a whole different lane for me. You
[1:56] Speaker 1: say you're nervous. Talk to me about that. What does
[1:59] Speaker 1: that feel like? Like, you ever play sports and, like,
[2:04] Speaker 1: before the game, you just had those butterflies of being
[2:07] Speaker 1: as soon as the tip off, it go away.
[2:10] Speaker 3: It's like one of those type of things.
[2:12] Speaker 1: This is a Hooper.
[2:14] Speaker 2: Yeah. For the people who don't know that, tell them
[2:17] Speaker 2: the origin of, like, even how you got the name
[2:19] Speaker 2: because it starts from Hoop.
[2:21] Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to. This is how I originally got
[2:24] Speaker 1: my name. Like, my name was Skills because I, I
[2:28] Speaker 1: was in second grade. It was a fifth grade team.
[2:30] Speaker 1: So I really wasn't supposed to be on the team,
[2:32] Speaker 1: but I kept bugging the coach and I was like, coach,
[2:34] Speaker 1: I got skills.
[2:36] Speaker 3: Then we had nickname day.
[2:38] Speaker 1: He gave me that name cause I, cause I told
[2:41] Speaker 1: him I had skills and shit. So then fast forward,
[2:46] Speaker 1: it just, the name followed me throughout my sports life. And, um,
[2:51] Speaker 1: I was at practice one day, football practice and a
[2:53] Speaker 1: girl kept Like, you know how people make fun of
[2:56] Speaker 1: your name. They call me Skittles, all that type of stuff.
[3:00] Speaker 1: And the girl was just like, I'm going to call
[3:01] Speaker 1: you Skilla. And got to laughing and playing. And I
[3:04] Speaker 1: just remembered that when I got to high school and
[3:06] Speaker 1: ran with it. So we're going to get into everything,
[3:08] Speaker 1: the album and all that. But you're into politics now?
[3:12] Speaker 1: I see you with the mayor a lot. I wouldn't
[3:14] Speaker 1: say I'm into politics. I'm just, I like to advocate
[3:17] Speaker 1: for things I like that I feel because that's just
[3:22] Speaker 1: how I was raised.
[3:23] Speaker 2: So.
[3:24] Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I'm into politics.
[3:27] Speaker 1: I just like to give back to my community and
[3:31] Speaker 1: stand on what I believe in. How'd that introduction happen
[3:34] Speaker 1: with you and the mayor? I was with her head
[3:40] Speaker 1: of neighborhood affairs. So I met him and he was
[3:46] Speaker 1: telling me to get into buying properties and stuff. And
[3:50] Speaker 1: I just got real close with him, Ray Simpson. He's
[3:54] Speaker 1: a Beautiful dude. He's a family guy. He just had
[3:59] Speaker 1: the values that I value. But he got me into
[4:04] Speaker 1: buying properties and new builds and renovations and stuff. And
[4:08] Speaker 1: then I started doing community events with the mayor. Started
[4:14] Speaker 1: building that connection. Occupy the Corners was doing charity basketball games.
[4:22] Speaker 1: giving our shoes to the kids, coats for kids, toy drives.
[4:28] Speaker 1: We done done gun buybacks. We did everything, gave struggling
[4:34] Speaker 1: mothers homes. I done put girls through college, law school.
[4:39] Speaker 1: We just try to do something like that every year,
[4:42] Speaker 1: so a couple times a year. So that's how I
[4:45] Speaker 1: built a connection with her because I felt like she
[4:48] Speaker 1: was the only person that was running for mayor. She
[4:52] Speaker 1: was at, she was the city, um, city council, head
[4:56] Speaker 1: city council. So, um, when she was doing that, I
[5:01] Speaker 1: just connected with her because she was in the community
[5:04] Speaker 1: with us. Like she wasn't just trying to run. She
[5:07] Speaker 1: was doing community events. She's door to door seeing what's
[5:12] Speaker 1: going on. She's in the community. And I felt like
[5:15] Speaker 1: I could, I could stand with somebody like that because
[5:18] Speaker 1: they standing in the fire with us.
[5:20] Speaker 2: That's always been part of nationally who you are. I
[5:22] Speaker 2: feel like we go to Detroit a bunch of times.
[5:26] Speaker 2: Every time we meet new people, it feels like there's
[5:28] Speaker 2: just this connection to community, to the city, that everybody's
[5:32] Speaker 2: doing something. And it all translates to giving back to
[5:34] Speaker 2: the city of Detroit. You were brought up on that
[5:37] Speaker 2: or did you grow into that?
[5:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, I was brought up on that. So my dad,
[5:40] Speaker 3: he was born in like 1946.
[5:41] Speaker 1: So.
[5:44] Speaker 3: He got traditional values.
[5:45] Speaker 1: Old school. Yeah, real old school. So he got like
[5:49] Speaker 1: traditional values. So we would need food and we would
[5:52] Speaker 1: need money and stuff, but we would still be passing
[5:55] Speaker 1: out food at the soup kitchen. So I was always
[5:59] Speaker 1: raised that way. So talk about the real estate. I
[6:03] Speaker 1: asked you that question because the real estate, obviously our
[6:05] Speaker 1: platform is kind of based around business. You invest in
[6:09] Speaker 1: real estate. So how has that been going for you?
[6:12] Speaker 1: It's been going well. Any business venture be up and down,
[6:17] Speaker 1: but it's been going well for the most part. I've
[6:20] Speaker 1: been getting 1,000% returns. But it just takes time. That's crazy. 1,000%
[6:28] Speaker 1: is crazy. Buy and flip? You buy and sell it?
[6:31] Speaker 1: Buy and flip. I'd have had renters, but that doesn't
[6:36] Speaker 1: really work for me. The renters?
[6:40] Speaker 3: It's so many rules behind it.
[6:42] Speaker 1: When somebody is behind on your rent, you can't just
[6:43] Speaker 1: kick them out or anything like that.
[6:45] Speaker 3: And you got to go to court for that. You
[6:47] Speaker 3: got to have notices.
[6:48] Speaker 1: And so I'd rather just renovate and sell my properties
[6:52] Speaker 1: or I'd rather just hang on to them because I
[6:55] Speaker 1: feel like if I have enough of them, I can
[6:58] Speaker 1: cash in later.
[6:59] Speaker 3: That's just my plan. But, um, I didn't do it.
[7:02] Speaker 3: I sold my first house last year.
[7:04] Speaker 1: Um, It was really my, I sold my childhood home
[7:10] Speaker 1: for real. You grew up there. Yeah. And this is
[7:13] Speaker 1: why I say it'd be up and down because my
[7:15] Speaker 1: mom wouldn't let me buy it at first. And she
[7:18] Speaker 1: didn't own it, but they wouldn't let me buy it.
[7:20] Speaker 1: At first, she wanted to sell it to me for $ 40, 000. No,
[7:24] Speaker 1: I ended up buying it for like $ 100, 000. Then I
[7:27] Speaker 1: sold it for like $ 120, 000. But I could have got
[7:33] Speaker 1: super return on my investment if I would have bought
[7:35] Speaker 1: it earlier if she would have let me but that's
[7:38] Speaker 1: neither here nor there that's just I'm telling you some
[7:41] Speaker 1: of the downs of it but the ups of it
[7:44] Speaker 1: I had a whole block where I had like three
[7:47] Speaker 1: four houses on it and I bought those houses for
[7:50] Speaker 1: like 20,000 a piece um.
[7:55] Speaker 3: Putting nothing into it they're they're worth like 150 all
[7:58] Speaker 3: together if I.
[7:59] Speaker 1: Put $ 40, 000, $ 50, 000 to each house. They're $ 300, 000, $ 400, 000 houses.
[8:06] Speaker 1: So I get all that like a crazy return on
[8:10] Speaker 1: my investment.
[8:11] Speaker 2: These homes are predominantly in Detroit?
[8:13] Speaker 1: Yeah. These are Detroit-based homes. These are not in the
[8:16] Speaker 1: suburbs or anything.
[8:18] Speaker 2: Yeah. Because we actually went on like a whole city
[8:22] Speaker 2: tour and then we went to the suburbs and we
[8:24] Speaker 2: tried to figure out Detroit real estate. And we were
[8:26] Speaker 2: seeing things like that. There's just so much availability, so
[8:30] Speaker 2: much land. And then you can see what's happening downtown.
[8:33] Speaker 2: So it feels like that momentum is building up in
[8:35] Speaker 2: the city. How was it from your perspective? Are you
[8:38] Speaker 2: buying these, understanding what's happening from the landscape of all
[8:42] Speaker 2: the construction that's happening in the city?
[8:45] Speaker 1: You got to follow the trends, the comps, the comps
[8:51] Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, where they're gentrifying it at, everything. So
[8:57] Speaker 1: a lot of people be wondering when I say my
[9:01] Speaker 1: homes would be worth three, 400,000. They don't understand that
[9:05] Speaker 1: where I bought them at, I was already five years
[9:09] Speaker 1: or two or three or four years in the know
[9:13] Speaker 1: of what was going on over there. So they're, they're
[9:16] Speaker 1: extending a hospital over there. Plus they're building the Lions
[9:21] Speaker 1: practice facility over there. So I, I was in the
[9:24] Speaker 1: know about that. So that's why I, those houses over
[9:30] Speaker 1: there is worth so much.
[9:31] Speaker 3: But when Ray.
[9:33] Speaker 1: Was telling me to buy these houses, he was breaking
[9:36] Speaker 1: all of this down and nobody else understood it or
[9:39] Speaker 1: nobody else could see the future, but I could.
[9:43] Speaker 3: But he was telling a lot of people to do
[9:45] Speaker 3: it and they wouldn't do it.
[9:46] Speaker 1: But I bought in because I had a lot of
[9:49] Speaker 1: money and I just, I wanted to see what I
[9:51] Speaker 1: could do with it.
[9:52] Speaker 3: And it just, it worked out in my benefit.
[9:56] Speaker 1: What gave you the mindset? A lot of times people
[9:58] Speaker 1: get money when they're young They speak. all of the money, right? They,
[10:01] Speaker 1: you know, cars and, you know, lavish things, jewelry, stuff
[10:06] Speaker 1: like that. What made you say, okay, let me do
[10:08] Speaker 1: something a little different. Let me invest the money. Let
[10:11] Speaker 1: me buy real estate. Like who put that, that seed
[10:14] Speaker 1: in you? Or was that like just always something that
[10:16] Speaker 1: you just thought about? I watched people blow money and
[10:19] Speaker 1: I watched people make money. And some of the people
[10:22] Speaker 1: that I watched make money and was smartest with their money.
[10:25] Speaker 1: They didn't, they weren't completely legal. So they would buy
[10:29] Speaker 1: homes and that will always be there for them, you know?
[10:34] Speaker 1: And that was really my, just in case, like if
[10:37] Speaker 1: all those fields, if everything goes wrong, this, I got this, like,
[10:43] Speaker 1: I know.
[10:44] Speaker 3: This is here for me.
[10:45] Speaker 1: So yeah, Because also I'm young and I done made
[10:49] Speaker 1: foolish decisions financially. They didn't teach me financial literacy growing
[10:53] Speaker 1: up either. So I had things that I didn't do
[10:58] Speaker 1: the right way or smart decisions that I didn't make too.
[11:01] Speaker 1: So this was just my contingency plan. And I happened
[11:07] Speaker 1: to like it, but it worked out for me. But
[11:11] Speaker 1: this was always just like, okay, if all those feels
[11:14] Speaker 1: and everything goes bad for me, rap don't work, if
[11:18] Speaker 1: acting don't work, if I don't make another dollar off
[11:21] Speaker 1: entertainment or stuff like that, I know I have this.
[11:25] Speaker 1: And maybe it's my plan Z, but it's there. It'll
[11:30] Speaker 1: be there, land not never going anywhere.
[11:33] Speaker 3: That's a fact.
[11:34] Speaker 2: That's a fact. It's very intelligent, right? You're thinking about
[11:37] Speaker 2: the insurance plan in a sense, right? Like if this
[11:39] Speaker 2: doesn't work, but it does work, Right, and the music itself.
[11:43] Speaker 2: I want to, because you're doing this at such a
[11:46] Speaker 2: young age, what's that first moment like when you actually
[11:48] Speaker 2: touch real money? Like most people can't understand it. Like
[11:53] Speaker 2: the average millionaire gets to that point by 36, 37, right?
[11:57] Speaker 2: But you're young and you're getting money. What's this first
[11:59] Speaker 2: moment like for you?
[12:01] Speaker 1: The first moment was just like every other young guy.
[12:05] Speaker 1: Like I had a million dollars in a box one
[12:07] Speaker 1: time and I used to count it every day. Cash? Yeah, cash.
[12:11] Speaker 2: Gotta, gotta careful.
[12:12] Speaker 3: Paranoid, but it, but happy, everything.
[12:16] Speaker 1: And I know I didn't let nobody come nowhere near
[12:19] Speaker 1: where it was at. Like nobody would come over there,
[12:22] Speaker 1: but it would, it would be in this box and
[12:25] Speaker 1: I just make sure it's there every day, even though
[12:28] Speaker 1: I knew it was there. Like, and it was just
[12:31] Speaker 1: only because I never experienced this. I've never experienced this.
[12:38] Speaker 1: So when I'm seeing it, it's like, And I used
[12:42] Speaker 1: to do stuff like I would go to the bank
[12:44] Speaker 1: just to get money out, just to look at it like, damn,
[12:47] Speaker 1: I really got money. And I'd be like, oh my God,
[12:51] Speaker 1: I'm a real millionaire. I'd be like, this is really
[12:56] Speaker 1: crazy because nobody in my family hadn't seen nothing over $.
[13:01] Speaker 3: 10, 000.
[13:02] Speaker 1: So $ 100, 000.
[13:04] Speaker 3: Was rich to me.
[13:06] Speaker 1: So when I was blessed enough to break that ceiling,
[13:10] Speaker 1: that feeling was... crazy because you gotta think i'm 23
[13:13] Speaker 1: 24 years old at the time man i'm thriving but
[13:19] Speaker 1: the only thing that was off about it was i'm
[13:23] Speaker 1: the only one you know so i really don't complain
[13:29] Speaker 1: about everything falling on my back because i want that
[13:31] Speaker 1: responsibility i'd rather be the person that People can depend on,
[13:35] Speaker 1: they're not depend on. It's just not fun because not
[13:39] Speaker 1: the people depending on your part. It's the sad faces
[13:45] Speaker 1: because they have to depend on you, you know? And
[13:48] Speaker 1: everybody feels like they deserve what you got, you know?
[13:53] Speaker 1: But that comes with the territory. I understand that too.
[13:57] Speaker 2: Yeah. So just a quick follow up. What I'm hearing
[13:59] Speaker 2: is like that survivor's guilt. That remorse, that guilt, the
[14:04] Speaker 2: fact that I did it, I want them to do it.
[14:08] Speaker 2: I don't know if they will, but I'll help them
[14:09] Speaker 2: as long as I can. How do you deal with
[14:12] Speaker 2: that in the early stages of success?
[14:16] Speaker 3: It's hard. Different people deal with it in different ways because.
[14:20] Speaker 1: That's why I really had to cycle through my family
[14:25] Speaker 1: and friends.
[14:26] Speaker 3: And I got a lot of flack for this from them.
[14:31] Speaker 1: I don't help people because they want something. I help
[14:35] Speaker 1: them because they need something. Some of my family members
[14:41] Speaker 1: used to wonder why I give this family member more
[14:44] Speaker 1: money than them, but they needed that. You might have
[14:48] Speaker 1: enough to get over, and I'll bless you on Christmas
[14:53] Speaker 1: and certain days, but this person needs a place to stay.
[14:57] Speaker 1: So if I gave them $ 8, 000 and I didn't want
[15:00] Speaker 1: no money back from them You're wondering why. You're just
[15:03] Speaker 1: looking at the 8,000. You're not looking at them sleeping
[15:06] Speaker 1: in that car. You're not looking at them, all the
[15:08] Speaker 1: calls that they call me because I'm never going to
[15:10] Speaker 1: tell somebody I helped somebody.
[15:11] Speaker 3: It's not the thing.
[15:13] Speaker 1: Most of the times, these things happen because somebody wanted
[15:16] Speaker 1: to brag about me helping them. And that always bit
[15:20] Speaker 1: me in the ass more than them because now people
[15:23] Speaker 1: looking at me like, why you do that for them?
[15:26] Speaker 1: But I don't want to tell their situation, you know?
[15:29] Speaker 1: situation might not have been true or not. Like I'm
[15:31] Speaker 1: not a person that if you ask me for something,
[15:34] Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you what you're doing with it.
[15:37] Speaker 1: If you tell me that you homeless and you need
[15:39] Speaker 1: a house, I'll give you the money for the house.
[15:42] Speaker 1: If you don't, if you do or don't get your house,
[15:44] Speaker 1: that's on you. That's the best way to go about it.
[15:48] Speaker 1: That's the, that's the real charity right there. Like talk
[15:52] Speaker 1: about Detroit, the city of Detroit. Cause, um, Detroit is
[15:56] Speaker 1: an interesting place, man. I feel like every time I
[15:57] Speaker 1: go to Detroit, it's one of these places where it's like,
[16:00] Speaker 1: everybody's like real old school, like just super solid, good energy,
[16:03] Speaker 1: good vibes, but it had a bad reputation for a
[16:06] Speaker 1: long time. And I feel like your generation is actually
[16:10] Speaker 1: bringing a new energy to Detroit. With all of the rappers,
[16:13] Speaker 1: it's a lot of energy. Even from the athletic standpoint,
[16:18] Speaker 1: it's like a new wave of energy that's coming into Detroit.
[16:21] Speaker 1: And I think people are starting to look at Detroit
[16:24] Speaker 1: from a different landscape. Because a lot of people had
[16:26] Speaker 1: never been to Detroit. They just was hearing, it's like Chicago.
[16:29] Speaker 1: A lot of people had never actually ever been to Chicago.
[16:31] Speaker 1: They were just seeing what they saw on the news.
[16:34] Speaker 1: And it was painting such a bad picture that that's
[16:36] Speaker 1: the only thing that they thought about. But when you
[16:39] Speaker 1: go there, you see, oh, Chicago is beautiful. Same thing
[16:42] Speaker 1: with Detroit. So what's your thoughts on the city of
[16:45] Speaker 1: Detroit and like your generation kind of like redefining Detroit
[16:50] Speaker 1: to the world? Detroit is a beautiful place. Beautiful people.
[16:56] Speaker 1: Most Detroiters' family members come from down south. So we
[17:00] Speaker 1: have a lot of down south values. We know how
[17:04] Speaker 1: to cook. We love good food. We love family reunions,
[17:08] Speaker 1: stuff like that. We love our people. We hold our
[17:11] Speaker 1: people near and dear to our heart. We come off
[17:14] Speaker 1: a little bit cold sometimes, but that's just the nature
[17:17] Speaker 1: of the city. But we're inviting. People don't understand that
[17:22] Speaker 1: we're inviting because people don't go. Mm-hmm. Um, I'm glad
[17:25] Speaker 1: that we got a little light shed on this because
[17:28] Speaker 1: we are, Detroit's a beautiful city for sure. And a
[17:32] Speaker 1: lot of people, good people come from Detroit. Um, you
[17:37] Speaker 1: gotta think like Michael Jackson came through Detroit. Anita Baker
[17:40] Speaker 1: came through Detroit. Eminem's, uh, representation of Detroit.
[17:45] Speaker 3: Barry Sanders still lives in Detroit.
[17:47] Speaker 1: Motown. Yeah, like Motown and all those artists. So I
[17:52] Speaker 1: think we had a bad rep only because of numbers.
[17:55] Speaker 1: And I had this conversation with one of my managers
[17:57] Speaker 1: the other day. Cali's such a big place that more
[18:04] Speaker 1: stuff will happen in Cali, but the numbers don't reflect
[18:08] Speaker 1: it because they're going off base how many people and
[18:13] Speaker 1: how many murders or how many violence. So if we
[18:16] Speaker 1: have a hundred people and 80 people, something happened to them.
[18:23] Speaker 1: It's different. If you have a thousand people in 80 people,
[18:26] Speaker 1: something happened to 80 people. So they're not saying, man,
[18:29] Speaker 1: this was 80 murders in Kelly and 80 murders in Detroit.
[18:33] Speaker 1: They're going off. Oh, this is an 80% murder rate.
[18:36] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[18:37] Speaker 3: Instead of 8% murder rate.
[18:40] Speaker 1: So it's different. Like, At Cali, they got a thousand people.
[18:43] Speaker 1: It's 80 murders. That's 8%. If it's 80 murders in Detroit,
[18:47] Speaker 1: it's 100 people. So it's an 80% murder rate. So
[18:51] Speaker 1: that's the numbers they put out. But they're not saying
[18:54] Speaker 1: like only 80 people down here, 80 people down here.
[18:56] Speaker 1: It's a beautiful place. Nobody in Detroit just going around
[18:59] Speaker 1: doing stuff to people just for no reason. I'm not
[19:03] Speaker 1: saying it's a valid, great reason, because violence is never
[19:07] Speaker 1: an answer. I want to stop and say this on camera.
[19:09] Speaker 1: Violence is never an answer. I don't want kids to
[19:12] Speaker 1: get hurt. I don't want adults to get hurt. I
[19:14] Speaker 1: want everybody to stay peaceful, love God, and love yourself,
[19:17] Speaker 1: and have good intentions. But Detroit is a beautiful place,
[19:22] Speaker 1: and we're from urban situations, the ghetto, And we know
[19:30] Speaker 1: what that breeze, when everybody has nothing and everybody wants something,
[19:35] Speaker 1: and you put everybody, you put one thing in a cage,
[19:38] Speaker 1: you want a plate of food in a cage with
[19:40] Speaker 1: 20 people, only one person's getting that food, you know?
[19:45] Speaker 1: So that's the situation we're born in, and it's unfortunate
[19:49] Speaker 1: they don't teach us. financial literacy they don't they don't
[19:54] Speaker 1: really teach us values that we need they're not teaching
[20:01] Speaker 1: us like ethical values that's not what They're teaching us
[20:09] Speaker 1: in our community. And it's a lot that happened too
[20:12] Speaker 1: because it was a motor city, right? So it's like
[20:14] Speaker 1: when a lot of those jobs start to get less,
[20:17] Speaker 1: that hurts the economy. And that's the whole Midwest, right?
[20:20] Speaker 1: Like Flint, Michigan. And so it's a trickle-down effect on,
[20:25] Speaker 1: like you said, the economics of it that when people
[20:28] Speaker 1: don't have job opportunities, now you resort to different things.
[20:32] Speaker 1: Then you got to think that it was a point
[20:35] Speaker 1: where the government had to bail us out. the big
[20:38] Speaker 1: three auto plants is detroit so if the government had
[20:43] Speaker 1: to bail us out imagine how many jobs were lost
[20:47] Speaker 1: imagine how many people from detroit don't get jobs because
[20:51] Speaker 1: more people are um they they qualify for those jobs
[20:57] Speaker 1: that we have some more people that's qualified to go
[21:00] Speaker 1: that go to school for automotive engineering.
[21:03] Speaker 3: And stuff like that.
[21:04] Speaker 1: So those people come from Alabama, Cali, New York, down
[21:10] Speaker 1: the street, and they had the money to go to
[21:13] Speaker 1: school to do this. So they're going to get those
[21:17] Speaker 1: jobs because they're qualified to do that. Or you're grandfathered in,
[21:21] Speaker 1: but everybody's not grandfathered in to those jobs and get
[21:25] Speaker 1: recommendations and stuff. You know what we learned about Detroit
[21:28] Speaker 1: I never knew before? Because we always know New Orleans
[21:31] Speaker 1: is like French quarter and all that. We went to Canada, Montreal,
[21:35] Speaker 1: and they was telling us Detroit is actually, was a
[21:38] Speaker 1: French colony at one point.
[21:39] Speaker 3: Détroit.
[21:40] Speaker 2: Détroit.
[21:41] Speaker 1: And it's like St. Louis, like St. Louis. And also
[21:44] Speaker 1: it's like, that was an interesting history lesson that I
[21:48] Speaker 1: personally didn't know that. Détroit. Yeah.
[21:52] Speaker 2: It's interesting because like we grew up not knowing those
[21:55] Speaker 2: things in school. So a lot of things we did
[21:57] Speaker 2: learn was from our environment and from music. And so
[22:01] Speaker 2: our era, late 80s, early 90s, the music definitely had
[22:07] Speaker 2: an influence on us. You come from a different era, right?
[22:10] Speaker 2: So I'm wondering, M is early, Sean is there, but
[22:15] Speaker 2: you guys have a renaissance of artists that are here now.
[22:18] Speaker 2: What was the influence for you as you're trying to
[22:21] Speaker 2: create music, as you realize that music is going to
[22:24] Speaker 2: be something that I can do?
[22:25] Speaker 1: I was more influenced by Motown artists because my dad
[22:29] Speaker 1: was born in 1946, so. I would hear new stuff,
[22:32] Speaker 1: but it would be newer, like Tupac or some Lil
[22:36] Speaker 1: Wayne stuff. Like, I'm influenced by my favorite artist, Anita Baker.
[22:42] Speaker 1: I like Luther Vandross. Um, I listen to the Gap Band, um, Earth,
[22:48] Speaker 1: Wind & Fire, Isley Brothers.
[22:52] Speaker 3: If I was rap influences, Meek.
[22:53] Speaker 1: Mill, Lil Wayne, um, Jay-Z had influence on me, um,
[22:58] Speaker 1: 50 Cent, um, Those type of artists. DMX had a
[23:05] Speaker 1: lot of influence. Jeezy?
[23:07] Speaker 3: Jeezy.
[23:08] Speaker 1: He's like the number one influence for Detroit. Doug Motivation
[23:14] Speaker 1: 101 is like, we hold that near and dear to
[23:17] Speaker 1: our heart.
[23:19] Speaker 3: He could perform that every day in Detroit.
[23:24] Speaker 1: So that makes sense then. That makes sense. So a
[23:27] Speaker 1: lot of your music is geared towards the ladies.
[23:30] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
[23:31] Speaker 1: Okay, so that's why.
[23:32] Speaker 3: Because I grew up hearing people yearning and stuff like that.
[23:35] Speaker 2: You need to get back to that, though. Ain't nobody
[23:38] Speaker 2: making music that can translate that expression to women. We
[23:43] Speaker 2: was in a car yesterday and Blackstreet came on. And
[23:46] Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, you hear how he's talking about don't leave? Like,
[23:48] Speaker 2: it's a real emotion that don't exist. So, like, that's
[23:53] Speaker 2: the era that's influencing the sound.
[23:56] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[23:58] Speaker 1: I'm trying to get back to that on my album
[24:00] Speaker 1: to where it's like, music needed to get back to
[24:03] Speaker 1: where we making it from a point of love. I
[24:06] Speaker 1: think everybody starting their music with hatred right now. Like
[24:11] Speaker 1: if you listen to everything, it starts with hate. When
[24:15] Speaker 1: music was originally started with love, you know, like you
[24:18] Speaker 1: had some songs where it was like, it came from
[24:20] Speaker 1: a point of hatred, but it was like real pent
[24:25] Speaker 1: up emotion that were real feelings. It wasn't, I think
[24:29] Speaker 1: the cool thing, coolest thing people, do right now what
[24:33] Speaker 1: people deem as cool is have an op. If you
[24:37] Speaker 1: don't got an op, it's like you're not a cool person.
[24:41] Speaker 1: I want everybody to live for real. I don't really
[24:45] Speaker 1: wake up and be like, I want to do this
[24:47] Speaker 1: or that to a person because I really don't.
[24:49] Speaker 3: I really want to live. I really want to spend
[24:51] Speaker 3: my money.
[24:51] Speaker 1: I really want to get on boats, travel, have podcasts
[24:55] Speaker 1: like this where we're having teachable moments. People really don't
[25:00] Speaker 1: understand this too, the value of life. I don't think
[25:05] Speaker 1: young kids understand if everybody leave, bro, you're going to
[25:08] Speaker 1: be depressed. Kill everybody, you're going to be one depressed
[25:12] Speaker 1: individual who have nobody to talk to.
[25:15] Speaker 3: You'll be so lonely.
[25:17] Speaker 1: And that's not, I think people don't understand that the
[25:22] Speaker 1: real goal in life is to be happy. And whatever
[25:26] Speaker 1: that is to you, Happiness, that's the only thing I'm chasing.
[25:29] Speaker 1: I don't want to be mad every day. I want
[25:31] Speaker 1: to be happy for sure. So, you know, being obviously
[25:35] Speaker 1: God-fearing man and such a positive person, you know, a
[25:40] Speaker 1: breath of fresh air when it comes to the music industry.
[25:43] Speaker 1: Do you have any level of like bitterness or anger?
[25:46] Speaker 1: Like when that tragic incident happened, you got shot, right?
[25:50] Speaker 1: Does that make your heart colder or does that make
[25:53] Speaker 1: you angry inside to be like, damn, I'm a positive person. Like,
[25:57] Speaker 1: I didn't deserve this. Or like, is that something that
[25:59] Speaker 1: you just say, that's out of my control?
[26:01] Speaker 3: Honestly, it made me bitter. It made me evil.
[26:07] Speaker 1: I had to really, that was my hardest fight. Like,
[26:11] Speaker 1: as men, I said this on a couple other podcasts too,
[26:16] Speaker 1: our pride is like everything to us. So, people don't
[26:20] Speaker 1: really understand by me letting something slide or me taking
[26:29] Speaker 1: a step back and not really doing the easy thing
[26:32] Speaker 1: to do, which is to harm a person or do
[26:35] Speaker 1: something crazy. And I'm not saying I'm, I'm not saying
[26:41] Speaker 1: that I haven't been this type of person before. Like,
[26:49] Speaker 1: because I'm not perfect. I've done, I made mistakes and stuff.
[26:54] Speaker 1: But as a maturing man, and this album really helped
[26:57] Speaker 1: me with that, the hardest thing for me was let
[27:01] Speaker 1: it go. Like that's, people don't understand, like I think
[27:05] Speaker 1: only real grown men will understand this. This not gonna
[27:10] Speaker 1: make me look cool at all. So, I just want,
[27:16] Speaker 1: I wanted to be the person that, Let younger people
[27:20] Speaker 1: know that the hardest thing to do, like the most
[27:25] Speaker 1: gangster thing you could do is heal, like live, avoid situations.
[27:37] Speaker 1: That's the most hard thing I had to do. I
[27:40] Speaker 1: had to really, with my two managers, I'd be on
[27:43] Speaker 1: the phone. They'd watch me go through this. I had
[27:47] Speaker 1: a real evil stint to where like, I was really
[27:52] Speaker 1: evil and I had to hide myself in the house.
[27:56] Speaker 1: Cause a lot of people would have caught that short
[27:59] Speaker 1: end of the stick. Like a lot of people would
[28:02] Speaker 1: have caught that. Like, and people don't understand. Like, it's
[28:06] Speaker 1: so easy for me to, I have money, I have
[28:08] Speaker 1: resources and I'm a, I'm, I'm not a gangster no more. Like,
[28:14] Speaker 1: but I can go there. Like, I understand myself, I
[28:19] Speaker 1: can go there. So the hardest thing for me to
[28:22] Speaker 1: do was let that hurt go.
[28:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, so you titled the project The Price of Fame.
[28:28] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[28:29] Speaker 2: Interesting title. I wonder, is it a cautionary tale? Because
[28:33] Speaker 2: you talked about having the money and feeling paranoid. Or
[28:37] Speaker 2: is it an educational project where it's like, look, this
[28:40] Speaker 2: is what comes with it?
[28:41] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. The Price of Fame is really... I wanted to
[28:46] Speaker 1: be broad to where you can have your own cost
[28:52] Speaker 1: to what success cost you. My price and your price
[28:57] Speaker 1: might be different. I wanted to feel relatable to the
[29:04] Speaker 1: average man, average woman and their struggles because people don't
[29:09] Speaker 1: really talk about normal people no more. It might have
[29:16] Speaker 1: cost me time partying. I don't do drugs.
[29:19] Speaker 3: I don't drink.
[29:20] Speaker 1: A lot of stuff I want to do, I just
[29:22] Speaker 1: don't do because my whole life is dedicated to success.
[29:26] Speaker 1: You might have cost time with your kids. You might
[29:29] Speaker 1: have had to travel for work. I want to be
[29:32] Speaker 1: home in Detroit. Regardless of everything that be going on,
[29:37] Speaker 1: I like home. I love it. But I know I'm
[29:40] Speaker 1: bigger than that and it's not healthy or conducive to
[29:45] Speaker 1: my situations so that's like a cost like.
[29:53] Speaker 3: Happiness um.
[29:58] Speaker 1: It's just all the sacrifices that you put in to
[30:01] Speaker 1: take care of your family or doing what you love
[30:04] Speaker 1: or being successful. That's, that's what the price of fame is.
[30:07] Speaker 1: And fame is just a word to replace success. Like
[30:11] Speaker 1: it just sounded better saying fame, but fame is a,
[30:16] Speaker 1: is like a, but a synonym for success.
[30:22] Speaker 3: And when it comes to.
[30:23] Speaker 1: My project, like all the sacrifices and, the price it costs,
[30:28] Speaker 1: price you pay to be successful at what you do,
[30:31] Speaker 1: because nobody want to work for 20 years straight, but
[30:35] Speaker 1: everybody got to take care of their family and everybody
[30:37] Speaker 1: has these responsibilities that they have to do. I want
[30:41] Speaker 1: to talk about the music, but I just want to go,
[30:43] Speaker 1: because what you said was insightful as far as, Waldo
[30:46] Speaker 1: has a TED Talk where he talked about he forgave
[30:50] Speaker 1: the person that killed his brother. And he was like,
[30:52] Speaker 1: if he didn't, his life wouldn't be where it is now.
[30:55] Speaker 1: And Forgiving doesn't mean that you just forget about something,
[31:01] Speaker 1: but it's like King Vaughn's last interview, actually, ironically enough,
[31:05] Speaker 1: I think it was with Killian Wallow. And he was
[31:07] Speaker 1: saying like, you know, the eye for an eye and
[31:11] Speaker 1: I kill you and you kill me. And then before
[31:13] Speaker 1: you know it, everybody's dead. And he was like, somebody
[31:16] Speaker 1: got to be the person to break that cycle. Cause
[31:19] Speaker 1: if not, then it's a, it's a never ending cycle.
[31:24] Speaker 1: race to the bottom where everybody's going to end up
[31:26] Speaker 1: killing each other and nobody's going to win so it's
[31:29] Speaker 1: like how do you communicate like that message to maybe
[31:33] Speaker 1: to like young people or like like being that you
[31:36] Speaker 1: went through it right like what would be your message
[31:38] Speaker 1: to somebody that has something done to them or has
[31:41] Speaker 1: something done to their family member and it's like look
[31:44] Speaker 1: you can do this path if you want to but
[31:46] Speaker 1: nine times out of ten you're gonna end up getting
[31:49] Speaker 1: killed you're going to jail So who really is winning
[31:52] Speaker 1: in this situation, right? Everybody, now your mom is mad.
[31:54] Speaker 1: Like everybody's just a losing, losing, losing, losing. So how
[31:57] Speaker 1: do you relay what you just said to somebody else
[32:01] Speaker 1: that may have gone through trauma? I think the coolest
[32:08] Speaker 1: way to talk to kids and like the only way
[32:11] Speaker 1: to get through to younger generation is not to lie
[32:15] Speaker 1: to them. I think as parents, as older people, people
[32:20] Speaker 1: as um chaperones as mentors people be trying to be
[32:27] Speaker 1: too politically correct and had a correct answer which my
[32:32] Speaker 1: correct answer might not be another person's correct answer but
[32:36] Speaker 1: i could tell them my experiences and the options you
[32:41] Speaker 1: know so i can't really say like and lie to
[32:46] Speaker 1: a kid and be like, I forgive this person or
[32:48] Speaker 1: I forgot this because I'm working on it. I can
[32:51] Speaker 1: say I'm working on it. And, like, even as a parent,
[32:56] Speaker 1: I wouldn't tell my kids, like, don't do that because
[33:03] Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that.
[33:04] Speaker 3: I would give them the options.
[33:06] Speaker 1: Like, you can do this, but this is what's probably
[33:08] Speaker 1: going to happen if you don't do it.
[33:10] Speaker 3: Because....
[33:12] Speaker 1: When it come to kids, and I know this because
[33:14] Speaker 1: I was a kid before. We all been kids before. Nobody,
[33:18] Speaker 1: kids don't like authority. So I think the best way
[33:22] Speaker 1: to teach a kid is to guide them somewhere and
[33:27] Speaker 1: don't let them bump their head on the big tree.
[33:29] Speaker 1: But if it's a little branch, listen, bro, I'm telling
[33:33] Speaker 1: you that branch there, bro. If you want to bump
[33:36] Speaker 1: your head, I'm not letting you do nothing crazy, go
[33:39] Speaker 1: to jail or nothing. But if you want to bump
[33:41] Speaker 1: your head and get scratched up, bro, I'm telling you,
[33:45] Speaker 1: you're going to get a scratch. Because I know when
[33:47] Speaker 1: you get that little scratch, you're going to come back
[33:49] Speaker 1: and be like, Pops, you told me I was getting
[33:51] Speaker 1: that scratch. And it hurt.
[33:54] Speaker 3: And I'm not giving you a Band-Aid because I told you.
[33:58] Speaker 1: Now, if you got a stab wound, we're going to
[34:00] Speaker 1: the doctor. But if you got that scratch, bro, listen, bro,
[34:03] Speaker 1: you better do what we did and lick the wound,
[34:07] Speaker 1: lick your thumb, wipe it off and go play. Because
[34:10] Speaker 1: I think that's the most healthiest way to tell the kids, like,
[34:17] Speaker 1: I can't lie to a kid and be like, yeah,
[34:19] Speaker 1: I forgive this person or I forgot that. I can't.
[34:22] Speaker 1: But I can say, listen, this is how I talk
[34:24] Speaker 1: to God every day.
[34:26] Speaker 3: I'm trying to take baby steps.
[34:29] Speaker 1: I set reminders to talk to God to make sure
[34:34] Speaker 1: When I do get these thoughts, I talk to God first,
[34:39] Speaker 1: you know? So if I did it, I understand I
[34:44] Speaker 1: had this conversation and I thought about it. I think
[34:47] Speaker 1: the biggest way to tell the younger generation is if
[34:52] Speaker 1: you're going to make a decision, sit on it first
[34:55] Speaker 1: and weigh your options. I think we're so quick to
[35:03] Speaker 1: respond and react. as a community, especially like as a
[35:06] Speaker 1: black community, we're reactionary. And that's the, that's, that's, that's
[35:14] Speaker 1: what harmed us most because we're so reactionary that we
[35:18] Speaker 1: don't weigh our options. We don't weigh our options. Like
[35:23] Speaker 1: Pastor Warren Campbell told me, you might not be wrong.
[35:26] Speaker 1: You might not be fighting right and wrong. And I
[35:29] Speaker 1: say this a lot because that stuck with me when
[35:30] Speaker 1: he said it to me, you might be fighting right.
[35:33] Speaker 1: And what's wise. You might be right to go do that.
[35:38] Speaker 3: But are you willing.
[35:39] Speaker 1: To sit in prison for 20 years? You might be
[35:42] Speaker 1: right to go do that. But are you willing to
[35:44] Speaker 1: lose this person in your life forever? You might be right.
[35:48] Speaker 3: To go do that.
[35:50] Speaker 1: But does it... Is that your values? Somebody steal from
[35:57] Speaker 1: you or somebody hit you and... You go do something.
[36:03] Speaker 1: Is that really your values? If it is your values,
[36:06] Speaker 1: I understand you. It's not my values, but if it
[36:11] Speaker 1: is your values. Right for as well. You know what
[36:13] Speaker 1: I'm saying? Yeah. Is your values to stay away from
[36:16] Speaker 1: your family for 20, 30 years? Because guess what? You
[36:19] Speaker 1: was the patriarch. So that's why a lot of my stuff,
[36:25] Speaker 1: I had to sit on it because I take care
[36:27] Speaker 1: of my whole family. So of course, I want to
[36:31] Speaker 1: be a gangster and do all the gangster stuff, but
[36:35] Speaker 1: am I willing to go sit down? Yes, but is
[36:37] Speaker 1: that conducive to my family? Like, can my family live
[36:42] Speaker 1: they same lifestyle without me?
[36:44] Speaker 3: No, so it's, I can't.
[36:49] Speaker 2: Those are prophetic words right there. I want to talk
[36:51] Speaker 2: about the self-reflection part because you kind of alluded to
[36:54] Speaker 2: it earlier. You said, I realized that I was an
[36:56] Speaker 2: evil person and I'm wondering from that standpoint, What got
[37:01] Speaker 2: you out of that space? Is that the moment where
[37:03] Speaker 2: you turned to faith and became even more devoted in
[37:07] Speaker 2: that space of your life? Or was there somebody that
[37:09] Speaker 2: was in your corner that was like, we don't want
[37:11] Speaker 2: to see you like this. We got to get you
[37:12] Speaker 2: out of this. Or was it something, you know, therapeutic?
[37:15] Speaker 2: Was it music? Like, how did you get out of
[37:17] Speaker 2: that moment in time?
[37:19] Speaker 3: My album helped me doing that.
[37:21] Speaker 1: But more than my album, I started going to the
[37:23] Speaker 1: gym and set my timer to pray. And I, from like,
[37:28] Speaker 1: I had got shot in May. I had, um, I got,
[37:32] Speaker 1: I got surgery in June, started healing up. I started
[37:39] Speaker 1: getting a gym. I got in a gym, like my
[37:42] Speaker 1: body was, was, was messed up. So I started getting
[37:45] Speaker 1: a gym at like, in like November from November 1st
[37:49] Speaker 1: to January 30th. I went on this fast, no sugar,
[37:53] Speaker 1: no bread, no sex. Um, No sugar, no bread, no sex,
[38:01] Speaker 1: and no potatoes. And that really helped me stay disciplined.
[38:08] Speaker 1: That was my first discipline test. I had to discipline
[38:12] Speaker 1: myself and really make my mind stronger before I made
[38:16] Speaker 1: my body stronger. I had to really test my faith,
[38:21] Speaker 1: see how much I would pray and how much if
[38:23] Speaker 1: I would keep working out. And I ultimately passed that test.
[38:27] Speaker 1: And I think that wasn't even my biggest test. My
[38:29] Speaker 1: biggest test is going to be when I do get
[38:33] Speaker 1: everything I want and see if I'm still going to
[38:36] Speaker 1: keep praying. I still pray two, three times a day
[38:41] Speaker 1: when I have everything I want and everything I need.
[38:44] Speaker 1: And I'm just being honest with myself because it's a
[38:46] Speaker 1: hard task. It's not, it sounds easy. Like, man, just
[38:50] Speaker 1: go pray. But, When you hit your knees when times
[38:56] Speaker 1: was good, it's way different from when you hit your
[38:59] Speaker 1: knees when times was bad. When you don't need nothing.
[39:03] Speaker 1: When you don't want for nothing. Are you still going
[39:06] Speaker 1: to thank God for grace, forgiveness? Are you still going
[39:10] Speaker 1: to ask God to walk with you through the good
[39:14] Speaker 1: times just like he walked with you through the bad times? Like,
[39:17] Speaker 1: people forget about that. Like, you got to stay prayed
[39:20] Speaker 1: up regardless of your situation. That's my biggest test, I think, coming.
[39:27] Speaker 1: I'm just preparing myself for that season because I feel
[39:30] Speaker 1: like right now I'm in a season of shedding all
[39:34] Speaker 1: the old dead weight, all the old skin, all the
[39:38] Speaker 1: bad stuff off me. When all my skin looks clear
[39:43] Speaker 1: and the coast is clear, am I still going to
[39:45] Speaker 1: walk with God? Am I still going to stay prayed up?
[39:49] Speaker 1: Am I still, am I going to cut my timers off?
[39:52] Speaker 1: That's my test that I think I'm, I'm preparing for
[39:55] Speaker 1: right now.
[39:55] Speaker 2: Are you, are you seeing that influence around the people
[39:58] Speaker 2: that you're with? Right. Like, is your crew now saying like, oh,
[40:02] Speaker 2: we're on that too. Right. Like, Are you starting to
[40:04] Speaker 2: see that? Or is it solely just you at this point?
[40:08] Speaker 2: And maybe people are starting to see, like, we need
[40:10] Speaker 2: to have that discipline, right? Because I would feel that
[40:13] Speaker 2: you're the leader, right? Because in the family, you're the leader.
[40:16] Speaker 2: They start to take on characteristics that you have. Is
[40:19] Speaker 2: that happening for you?
[40:20] Speaker 3: I ain't with all older guys.
[40:22] Speaker 1: So we like, I understand that a great leader follows too.
[40:27] Speaker 1: So we all take values from each other. Um, we
[40:32] Speaker 1: hold each other accountable. When I got my weight vest,
[40:35] Speaker 1: my manager wine over there, got his weight vest. He
[40:37] Speaker 1: started fast and he started eating better. My manager rocket.
[40:41] Speaker 1: We did it together. We fast and eating together, praying. We, um,
[40:46] Speaker 1: we switched our whole diet. So we are, we are
[40:50] Speaker 1: taking accountability.
[40:52] Speaker 3: For each other.
[40:53] Speaker 1: And this is why I'm motivated to keep doing it. And, um,
[41:02] Speaker 1: Just like when I was talking about my mental health
[41:04] Speaker 1: struggles and my journey with God and my faith journey,
[41:11] Speaker 1: so many people was DMing me saying they don't even
[41:15] Speaker 1: know I'm seeing their messages, how they're turning on their
[41:18] Speaker 1: timers to pray or they're sending me passages from the
[41:22] Speaker 1: Bible or just what I said helped them with their struggles.
[41:27] Speaker 1: I don't really broadcast it or post none of them
[41:31] Speaker 1: because that's their struggles and that's their story. I just
[41:36] Speaker 1: want them to know, like if they listen to this podcast,
[41:40] Speaker 1: keep sending them because I see them and some I
[41:42] Speaker 1: do respond to. I had a girl tell me her
[41:45] Speaker 1: whole story the other day and I just listened. I
[41:48] Speaker 1: think people don't understand the value of listening and not
[41:51] Speaker 1: responding and just letting people know they heard and being seen.
[41:57] Speaker 1: Talk about music, the music business. how are you learning
[42:02] Speaker 1: the music business as far as coming in, you know,
[42:04] Speaker 1: learning about, you know, royalties and learning about show money
[42:08] Speaker 1: and learning about how to pay taxes. Like who's giving
[42:11] Speaker 1: you the education and how are you learning about the
[42:13] Speaker 1: music business? Um, I learned as I go, I asked
[42:16] Speaker 1: a lot of questions. Um, I bumped my head a
[42:19] Speaker 1: few times and I think that was the best, um,
[42:25] Speaker 1: lesson was bumping my head. Um, And I just take
[42:29] Speaker 1: my time. Before I do anything, I study it.
[42:33] Speaker 3: People don't understand.
[42:34] Speaker 1: That business is about leverage. So don't go into business
[42:44] Speaker 1: thinking that everything is supposed to be 50-50.
[42:47] Speaker 3: That's not that.
[42:50] Speaker 1: I'm trying to have more leverage than the person that's
[42:52] Speaker 1: countering me. So if I'm dealing with a label, I'm
[42:56] Speaker 1: trying to go have more leverage than than them and
[43:02] Speaker 1: if I'm dealing with anybody I want to have more
[43:05] Speaker 1: leverage than them because now I have room to negotiate
[43:09] Speaker 1: because anything contractual is final you know until you fulfill
[43:14] Speaker 1: that obligation of that contract and I think people need
[43:19] Speaker 1: to understand that about business business never changes business is
[43:25] Speaker 1: business And I think people go into a business with
[43:28] Speaker 1: emotions and thinking everybody friends. Even your friend when his
[43:33] Speaker 1: business is business. Like, I don't go into business with love.
[43:38] Speaker 1: I don't.
[43:39] Speaker 3: I just not. I don't have no emotion.
[43:41] Speaker 1: I don't go into it with hate either. But I
[43:43] Speaker 1: don't have no emotion when it comes to business because
[43:46] Speaker 1: my business is final. If I tell you I'm going
[43:50] Speaker 1: to do something for you and I'm going to give
[43:51] Speaker 1: you 80% of the proceeds and that's contractual, I'm going
[43:54] Speaker 1: to do that. And I'm going to stand on it.
[43:56] Speaker 1: And when you start getting rich, I'm going to stand
[43:58] Speaker 1: with you too. I'm going to give you 80% until
[44:01] Speaker 1: I fulfill my obligations. That's my business ethics. That's what
[44:07] Speaker 1: I stand on. But when it comes time for you
[44:10] Speaker 1: to give me 80% in this contract, I expect that too.
[44:14] Speaker 1: So I'm going to take my losses with my wins.
[44:17] Speaker 1: That's just how business works. I done lost stuff in business.
[44:20] Speaker 1: I done won in business. So I understand that's how
[44:24] Speaker 1: business goes.
[44:26] Speaker 2: Did you always have that mindset or did you get
[44:29] Speaker 2: to that point? I hear a lot of people, especially artists,
[44:32] Speaker 2: they love making the music. They hate the business side
[44:34] Speaker 2: of it. I mean, you said you have no emotions.
[44:39] Speaker 2: Did you get forced into that point or that's always
[44:41] Speaker 2: been the mindset since you stepped in the game?
[44:44] Speaker 1: It was like that since I stepped in because I
[44:47] Speaker 1: watched other people go through it. And I love doing business.
[44:51] Speaker 1: I love my losses just as much as I love
[44:53] Speaker 1: my wins because I'm a person that's never getting too
[44:56] Speaker 1: high or too low because I know it's coming. I
[44:59] Speaker 1: know a loss coming. Also, I know after this loss,
[45:02] Speaker 1: the only way is up. After I go down, I
[45:05] Speaker 1: know I'm going back up. So I ain't really tripping.
[45:08] Speaker 1: Like I done took losses and nobody knew it. Like,
[45:13] Speaker 1: like even beyond music, like I done really lost three watches,
[45:19] Speaker 1: Richard Millie's. Nobody never knew. Like they could, they know
[45:22] Speaker 1: because they not on my wrist, but, they don't know
[45:25] Speaker 1: how I lost them. I didn't get robbed from them
[45:27] Speaker 1: or anything. It was just like, I lost my watches.
[45:29] Speaker 1: And my first one. Just misplaced them? Yeah. My first one, like,
[45:36] Speaker 1: it got, no, the first one, so Richard Milley's like, they,
[45:41] Speaker 1: they rubber band. So my first one, I, I was
[45:45] Speaker 1: at a, a fight and a bunch of people crowded
[45:48] Speaker 1: around me and, and it got like, got off my wrist, boom.
[45:53] Speaker 3: Like, They bump you. They do like a pickpocket thing.
[45:55] Speaker 2: I've seen something like that before.
[45:57] Speaker 1: Boom. So that one, I had no insurance. My second one,
[46:01] Speaker 1: I lost in my homeboy pants at a hotel. He
[46:04] Speaker 1: let the lady wash his pants and my watch came up.
[46:08] Speaker 3: But I had that insurance.
[46:10] Speaker 1: So I'm just saying that to like, I done took
[46:14] Speaker 1: losses and I learned from him. Like my first watch,
[46:18] Speaker 1: I wasn't insured. It was $ 200, 000 loss. My second watch,
[46:22] Speaker 1: that cut me a check for it. So it was like,
[46:26] Speaker 1: and I lost jewelry and other stuff in between there.
[46:29] Speaker 1: And it's like, I understand what comes with the territory.
[46:33] Speaker 1: I don't hold this much value to these objects.
[46:38] Speaker 2: You invest in the market? The stock market?
[46:40] Speaker 3: Nope, I've never done that.
[46:42] Speaker 2: I'm listening to your mindset and I'm like, he would
[46:45] Speaker 2: be a great investor.
[46:47] Speaker 3: I like try, look, I try to invest in Bitcoin, right?
[46:49] Speaker 1: This is why I don't be doing like stock markets and,
[46:52] Speaker 1: and crypto because I invested in Bitcoin and I invested in,
[46:58] Speaker 1: it's another one. Ethereum? Nope, it's like an Asian name.
[47:04] Speaker 3: I forgot what it's called.
[47:05] Speaker 1: Solana? No, I started with something else. I got the
[47:08] Speaker 1: thing on my phone, but it's another one.
[47:12] Speaker 3: I invested in it and I let my.
[47:16] Speaker 1: Money sit in there and it was sitting in there
[47:19] Speaker 1: and it wasn't doing nothing. I was like, man, I'm
[47:21] Speaker 1: going to go do something else with my money. As
[47:23] Speaker 1: soon as I took it out, it went up. I
[47:25] Speaker 1: was like, yeah, bro, this is not my thing. I
[47:28] Speaker 1: ain't patient enough. Okay.
[47:31] Speaker 2: When you talk about the components of not looking at
[47:34] Speaker 2: these things as losses, understanding that, hey, we've hit a
[47:37] Speaker 2: certain part, or we've hit a metric and the only
[47:40] Speaker 2: way is up. That's how we looking at charts, right?
[47:44] Speaker 2: Like I'm looking at it like, all right, we hit
[47:46] Speaker 2: a moving average here. The next way has to be up, right?
[47:49] Speaker 2: Even if we fall back, how much further are we
[47:51] Speaker 2: going to go? How are we going to learn if
[47:53] Speaker 2: we do this and we, you know what I mean?
[47:54] Speaker 2: So when you saying these things, I'm like, yo, damn,
[47:56] Speaker 2: if we just use that same strategy inside of the market,
[48:01] Speaker 2: obviously we got to have discipline. That part is key,
[48:03] Speaker 2: but those are some of those characteristics of somebody who's
[48:05] Speaker 2: going to be a great investor.
[48:06] Speaker 1: Well, that's why you would be because you have discipline.
[48:09] Speaker 2: And you have it, right?
[48:10] Speaker 1: You already have discipline in your life. So that's the key.
[48:14] Speaker 1: Like he said, that's the key to the stock market. People,
[48:16] Speaker 1: you ever hear it's like, buy low, sell high. You
[48:21] Speaker 1: heard that before. Most people in the stock market, they
[48:24] Speaker 1: do the exact opposite. They buy high and sell low.
[48:26] Speaker 1: Because it's like, let's say Bitcoin, right? They've been hearing
[48:30] Speaker 1: about Bitcoin forever. Everybody's talking about it. The barbershop is
[48:33] Speaker 1: talking about it. They keep putting it off. They keep
[48:35] Speaker 1: putting it off. And then Bitcoin goes to 120,000. And
[48:39] Speaker 1: then it's like, damn, it's going to go to a million.
[48:42] Speaker 1: I got to get in now. Then they put their
[48:44] Speaker 1: money into Bitcoin, 120,000. Then what happens right when they
[48:48] Speaker 1: put their money in?
[48:49] Speaker 3: It drops.
[48:50] Speaker 1: It drops to 70. It drops to 70. Then it
[48:52] Speaker 1: goes to 60. So now you're thinking like, damn, I
[48:55] Speaker 1: lost 50% of my money in four months. This is crazy.
[49:00] Speaker 1: It's definitely 100% going to go to zero. I don't
[49:03] Speaker 1: want to lose everything. Let me just take my money out.
[49:05] Speaker 1: And then as soon as you take your money out,
[49:08] Speaker 1: It goes up. Like, you know what I'm saying? So
[49:09] Speaker 1: that's why more people buy at the top and they
[49:11] Speaker 1: sell at the low instead of doing the opposite. But
[49:14] Speaker 1: that comes down to the discipline. But like over the
[49:17] Speaker 1: long run, because obviously you're a very intelligent person. the
[49:20] Speaker 1: stock market, I think that that's something that you should
[49:22] Speaker 1: probably get into because you like real estate already. So
[49:25] Speaker 1: you understand properties appreciate and the stocks, you know, all
[49:29] Speaker 1: of these companies, Apple, Microsoft, Google, they're not going anywhere.
[49:33] Speaker 1: So it's like, if we could become owners in those companies,
[49:35] Speaker 1: that's just long-term success. That's the contingency plan. That's the contingency.
[49:39] Speaker 3: I think it was taught to me wrong.
[49:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
[49:44] Speaker 3: Somebody just told me, man, put your money in this.
[49:46] Speaker 1: It's going up. Y'all explain it when you're seeing the
[49:50] Speaker 1: metrics of it and you're seeing like, all right, you're
[49:54] Speaker 1: explaining this like buy low and sell high. They're not
[49:58] Speaker 1: really explaining that. They're just like, I did this, you know,
[50:02] Speaker 1: they're not explaining.
[50:04] Speaker 2: Like the whole process. Right.
[50:07] Speaker 1: See, everything has a process. People like, see, we as
[50:11] Speaker 1: a community, we take the elevator up so you land
[50:14] Speaker 1: on the top floor. People don't talk about the steps
[50:18] Speaker 1: like they didn't tell you they took the steps. They
[50:20] Speaker 1: put you on the elevator. They ain't telling you like
[50:22] Speaker 1: they walk this step, step by step and went to
[50:25] Speaker 1: the top.
[50:26] Speaker 2: The market is looking for that person that says they
[50:28] Speaker 2: don't even know why they did it. They just did it.
[50:29] Speaker 2: They made money. Because chances are they're going to be
[50:31] Speaker 2: thinking that that's the strategy to continue to make money.
[50:34] Speaker 2: And in the market, like the whales, like these big
[50:37] Speaker 2: institutional companies, they'll wait for it to get to a high.
[50:40] Speaker 2: They'll take profit. You never know what takes profit until
[50:42] Speaker 2: it falls. And they know that if you see it
[50:44] Speaker 2: go from 100 to 70, most likely you're going to
[50:47] Speaker 2: be like, I'm never doing this again. Let me just
[50:49] Speaker 2: take my 70. When you take it, they've already made
[50:52] Speaker 2: money up to the 100. They're going to put money
[50:53] Speaker 2: back in at 70. It's going to go up to 150.
[50:56] Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying? Like that, those are the
[50:58] Speaker 2: ebbs and flows of it. Just over the course of
[51:00] Speaker 2: time though. We, we so short minded that we think
[51:03] Speaker 2: immediate gratification. I got to turn my a hundred into
[51:06] Speaker 2: a thousand and I have to do it within two months,
[51:09] Speaker 2: but you've haven't had money for your whole life. Why
[51:12] Speaker 2: you got to do it in a month? You know
[51:13] Speaker 2: what I mean? We just, it's the, it's the mindset shift,
[51:16] Speaker 2: but the education part is important. Understanding why you're doing it.
[51:21] Speaker 2: Not because somebody told you it changes the game for you.
[51:23] Speaker 1: Definitely.
[51:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[51:24] Speaker 1: I was, um, talking to some guys in Arizona. There
[51:29] Speaker 1: was some business owners and they was, like, inviting me
[51:32] Speaker 1: into their, they had, like, an investment group. But I
[51:38] Speaker 1: didn't really do it because I don't understand it. They
[51:41] Speaker 1: invest in companies right before they go public.
[51:44] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[51:45] Speaker 1: That's... Yeah, they was... Startup, like, startup companies.
[51:49] Speaker 2: The IPO game.
[51:49] Speaker 1: That's where the real money is really, it's risky. Because
[51:53] Speaker 1: it's like, by the time it goes to the stock market,
[51:56] Speaker 1: people had already made 1,000, 10,000% of their money, right?
[51:59] Speaker 1: It's like if you could invest in Meta when Mark
[52:03] Speaker 1: Zuckerberg first started the company, right? That's how they're making
[52:08] Speaker 1: hundreds of billions of dollars. But it's like baseball. I
[52:12] Speaker 1: see you got the MLB hat.
[52:14] Speaker 2: Shout out to Slow.
[52:16] Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the thing with baseball. All you got to
[52:20] Speaker 1: do is hit three out of ten. You're an all-star.
[52:24] Speaker 1: that's not really a good percentage in life. 30% success
[52:27] Speaker 1: rate in most life is 30% is not good. But
[52:31] Speaker 1: in baseball, it's like they're in their hall of fame, right?
[52:33] Speaker 1: So that's what they did. They just try to hit
[52:34] Speaker 1: like one. If they can get 10, they can get one.
[52:38] Speaker 1: And if they get that one, that one will make
[52:40] Speaker 1: up for the nine losses.
[52:42] Speaker 2: I tell people this, right? When they don't invest in
[52:45] Speaker 2: the market, I say, think about the wealthiest people in
[52:47] Speaker 2: the world, right? Zuckerberg, Bezos, Musk, Larry Ellison, they all
[52:56] Speaker 2: have the same thing in common. They got a company,
[52:59] Speaker 2: they own shares of the company and it's publicly traded.
[53:02] Speaker 2: The more the value of that company goes, the stock
[53:04] Speaker 2: goes up, their value goes up. So like when Elon
[53:07] Speaker 2: has SpaceX IPO and he owns a large percent of
[53:09] Speaker 2: those shares and he has Tesla already, now he's the
[53:13] Speaker 2: first trillionaire, right? But we don't, we're not thinking, like
[53:16] Speaker 2: that's how they're building wealth, right? They're creating companies, those
[53:18] Speaker 2: companies are going public. They have companies that have moats
[53:20] Speaker 2: and they have competitive advantages. And they have a brand
[53:23] Speaker 2: loyalty inside of it and people invest in it. And
[53:26] Speaker 2: that's the way, like, we got to get to that point, right?
[53:29] Speaker 2: We see wealth in our community, entertainment, sports, but somebody's
[53:33] Speaker 2: paying those people. You know what I mean? The mindset shifts.
[53:37] Speaker 2: So like when they put you in these races, it's like, okay,
[53:40] Speaker 2: they're not explaining it to you, but they might not
[53:42] Speaker 2: be explaining to you because they don't want you to
[53:43] Speaker 2: be a part of it. But that gives you the
[53:44] Speaker 2: challenge to go educate yourself. Like that's the next piece.
[53:47] Speaker 1: But what you said, that was intelligent though. Never invest
[53:49] Speaker 1: in anything you don't understand. Exactly. That's how people lose
[53:51] Speaker 1: money all the time. They just, because then it becomes gambling, right?
[53:56] Speaker 1: When you don't fully understand something, then you're just doing
[53:58] Speaker 1: it because you think you can make money. And thinking
[54:03] Speaker 1: that you're going to make money usually does not, that
[54:06] Speaker 1: usually means you're going to lose all your money. When
[54:08] Speaker 1: you think you're going to make money, you got to
[54:10] Speaker 1: know you're going to make money. That's the difference. Like,
[54:12] Speaker 1: so you did the right thing. But, you know, I'm
[54:14] Speaker 1: sure you'll have a lot of opportunities throughout your career.
[54:17] Speaker 1: But let's talk about acting. 50 Cent. He's become like
[54:21] Speaker 1: a mentor to you, right? Yeah. How has your relationship
[54:25] Speaker 1: with 50 Cent developed? My guy TV, he from New York,
[54:30] Speaker 1: he introduced me to 50 TV.
[54:32] Speaker 3: My guy, I rock with TV.
[54:36] Speaker 1: After I met 50 through TV, I had seen 50
[54:41] Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl when it was in Vegas. Damn,
[54:46] Speaker 1: somebody that's close with 50 right now is actually my
[54:51] Speaker 1: manager now, but I met him through somebody in Detroit.
[54:56] Speaker 1: So when I got with Rocket, we just started going
[55:01] Speaker 1: to acting classes. I did that for like a year
[55:04] Speaker 1: and a half. And then he was like, when you ready,
[55:07] Speaker 1: I'm going to tell 50. So then I went to
[55:10] Speaker 1: acting class for like a year, and then he figured
[55:12] Speaker 1: out I was ready. And he told 50, showed him
[55:15] Speaker 1: my self-tapes and stuff. And then... after that, me and
[55:19] Speaker 1: 50 been having, like, this relationship to where every time
[55:24] Speaker 1: I ask him for a new opportunity, like, not, like,
[55:29] Speaker 1: to give it to me, I just be like, I
[55:31] Speaker 1: feel stagnant. And he'd give me some work. Like, he'd
[55:34] Speaker 1: be like, all right, I got this audition for this.
[55:38] Speaker 1: I got this for this. And he put me with
[55:42] Speaker 1: an acting agency, and He's just been supporting everything I do,
[55:47] Speaker 1: and I'm blessed to just have him in my corner,
[55:49] Speaker 1: and he just be wanting to see me win. So
[55:53] Speaker 1: that's like how I fuck with 50. And you're going
[55:56] Speaker 1: to be on Power.
[55:57] Speaker 3: Yeah, Power Origins.
[56:00] Speaker 1: Acting school, you really feel like that really, really helped you?
[56:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
[56:05] Speaker 1: Because just like when we was talking about the metrics
[56:09] Speaker 1: of the stock market, Everything has the process, the language,
[56:14] Speaker 1: the verbiage, the ins and outs. When it comes to acting,
[56:17] Speaker 1: you got to know your marks. You got to have like,
[56:20] Speaker 1: what if you have an intimacy scene? They got intimacy coordinator.
[56:23] Speaker 1: They teach you how to make people feel comfortable, teach
[56:27] Speaker 1: you how to talk on set, understand what people are saying,
[56:31] Speaker 1: you know? So camera angles, if this, When this camera
[56:37] Speaker 1: zooms in on you, how your body language should be.
[56:39] Speaker 1: When this camera zooms out, when it's a wide shot,
[56:42] Speaker 1: like you got to understand this before you just get
[56:45] Speaker 1: on camera. And people, I think people jump into it
[56:48] Speaker 1: and don't understand that. And that's why some people don't
[56:54] Speaker 1: look comfortable on screen. Then you got to understand what
[56:58] Speaker 1: you're comfortable doing, what you mature enough for, what roles
[57:03] Speaker 1: fits you to make you look the.
[57:04] Speaker 3: Best, you know? So you got to understand all that too.
[57:09] Speaker 2: We got the track list for Price of Fame. And
[57:13] Speaker 2: we saw one of the biggest influences of our life
[57:17] Speaker 2: for sure on the track list. Talk about the Nas relationship,
[57:22] Speaker 2: the Nas feature, how it came about. Yeah, man. I mean,
[57:25] Speaker 2: that's somebody that we lived through our whole life.
[57:28] Speaker 1: Man, somebody let Nas hear my album. It just started
[57:34] Speaker 1: off with Them letting Nas hear the album, man. Man,
[57:39] Speaker 1: I thought, he told me, he told us that it
[57:42] Speaker 1: was a breath of fresh air. Like, and like, I
[57:46] Speaker 1: was like, I was threw off at first. Nas, Nas
[57:49] Speaker 1: ain't say that. Like, this is Mount Rushmore, Nas.
[57:52] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[57:54] Speaker 1: Then, conversations just turned into, I'm getting on the phone
[57:58] Speaker 1: with him.
[57:59] Speaker 3: Then I'm like, this really Nas.
[58:01] Speaker 1: I'm on the phone with Nas. But Nas such a,
[58:04] Speaker 1: Cool guy, he a cool cat. So I'm like, I'm
[58:09] Speaker 1: on the phone with Nas. Then it turned into, man,
[58:14] Speaker 1: Nas going to get on your album. I'm like, nah.
[58:17] Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, Nas ain't getting on my album. So
[58:22] Speaker 1: then I fly out to see them. And we were
[58:27] Speaker 1: just kicking it. Then a few months later, nah they
[58:31] Speaker 1: sent me a video of the Nas verse I'm like
[58:34] Speaker 1: wow that's crazy and it was like more I valued
[58:38] Speaker 1: it for more personal reasons I was selfish like man
[58:40] Speaker 1: I got a Nas verse more than really understanding that
[58:43] Speaker 1: Nas is on my album like this like a bro
[58:46] Speaker 1: this like a a head nod in hip hop like
[58:49] Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying like it's Nas Nas ain't
[58:51] Speaker 1: getting on everybody's stuff that's a fact and I'm like
[58:55] Speaker 1: man I got Nas on there like even even with
[58:59] Speaker 1: the with the The other features I got, like I
[59:02] Speaker 1: be feeling like I got, that's why I was so
[59:04] Speaker 1: selective with them and I didn't just add anybody to
[59:07] Speaker 1: my project because I got, I felt like I got
[59:10] Speaker 1: what was necessary.
[59:12] Speaker 2: That Nas moment is a thing. The first time you
[59:16] Speaker 2: hear I get love in Detroit like I'm Skillet Baby,
[59:19] Speaker 2: what's the reaction from you?
[59:22] Speaker 1: People don't understand that he was coming to Detroit like,
[59:28] Speaker 1: a couple times hanging with us before I even, like,
[59:32] Speaker 1: he knew I was a rapper, like Jack Harlow. So
[59:35] Speaker 1: he used to be cool, like, on tour. He forgot
[59:39] Speaker 1: who he was on tour with, but he was, like,
[59:42] Speaker 1: the opener, him and Seti Hendrix. They used to hang
[59:45] Speaker 1: with us because Sada was super big, like, especially in Detroit.
[59:51] Speaker 1: So Sada, baby, was super big. So I'm hanging with Sada.
[59:55] Speaker 1: Jack Harlow hanging with us. but Jack Harlow hanged with
[59:58] Speaker 1: me because Sada bigger than him at the time. We
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: just like two young kids, just, you know what I'm saying?
[1:00:06] Speaker 1: We just rock around downtown and stuff. And then like
[1:00:10] Speaker 1: Jack Harlow texts me all the time and just be
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: checking on me. Like, man, I'm glad you talk about
[1:00:16] Speaker 1: this or I see what you're doing.
[1:00:18] Speaker 3: Keep doing that. Like we don't even talk about music.
[1:00:20] Speaker 1: So when he did that, I didn't, that was big
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: for me because I didn't know he was going to
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: do that.
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:00:27] Speaker 1: They just was like, man, Jack Harlow did this. Do
[1:00:30] Speaker 1: you approve it?
[1:00:31] Speaker 3: I'm like, what do you mean?
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: I hear I get love in Detroit like Skilla Baby.
[1:00:35] Speaker 1: Then I heard it all the time. I'm like, whoa,
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: this is crazy.
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: Number one single in the world. Number one single in
[1:00:41] Speaker 2: the world.
[1:00:41] Speaker 3: Man, that was a cool moment for me, like crazy.
[1:00:45] Speaker 1: That was, a lot of people, that might have even
[1:00:47] Speaker 1: been an introduction to you. Like who is Skilla Baby? Yeah, exactly.
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: Then they start going down the rabbit hole. So what
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: can people expect from this album? Like if, okay. This
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: is their first time really, really, they've heard your music before,
[1:01:00] Speaker 1: they know who you are, but this is the first
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: time they're going to listen to you from start to finish.
[1:01:06] Speaker 1: What do you want them to get out of it
[1:01:07] Speaker 1: and what should they expect? They're going to expect what
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: to expect from this album. Raw emotion. Top tier lyricism.
[1:01:21] Speaker 1: Great features. Teachable moments. wittiness um everything big records um
[1:01:35] Speaker 1: a story top to bottom a story and i just
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: want them to um to really just sit with it
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: and because the music is great but i want them
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: to sit with it and understand And I don't want
[1:01:53] Speaker 1: to tell people what to get from it. I want
[1:01:56] Speaker 1: them to understand. I want them to get what they
[1:01:59] Speaker 1: want from it. And I want them to really sit
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: with it and comprehend what the project is and how
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: important it is for culture.
[1:02:08] Speaker 3: I think it's a lot of ethical values on there.
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: Faith-based concepts and values. I think Everything was led with
[1:02:23] Speaker 1: love and started with God on this album. So I
[1:02:28] Speaker 1: just want them to understand that, like, and get that
[1:02:31] Speaker 1: from me.
[1:02:32] Speaker 3: I feel like it's a classic.
[1:02:35] Speaker 2: A classic in the making, man. I appreciate the conversation.
[1:02:39] Speaker 2: I had watched you, what I said, Pretty V. And
[1:02:42] Speaker 2: I was like, man, I want to speak to him.
[1:02:44] Speaker 2: When they said, you know, I'm like, we got to
[1:02:46] Speaker 2: do it. Just because I hadn't seen an artist, I
[1:02:49] Speaker 2: hadn't seen anybody really go deep into vulnerability at the
[1:02:54] Speaker 2: stage of the career that you're at. And I was
[1:02:56] Speaker 2: like that, the same way Nas said, that's a breath
[1:02:59] Speaker 2: of fresh air. When I heard you speak, I'm like,
[1:03:01] Speaker 2: that's a breath of fresh air. I was like, we
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: got to sit down with him. I wonder when you're
[1:03:04] Speaker 2: looking at obviously yourself, Detroit, what's the legacy? Cause you know,
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: you see people that artists and they come into the
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: space and they want to get on and they want
[1:03:14] Speaker 2: to put their friends on and make more music. I
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: feel like there's a bigger calling for you though. What
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: do you want? What do you see a legacy being?
[1:03:24] Speaker 1: I think my legacy is just being obedient to what
[1:03:29] Speaker 1: God tells me to do. I feel like teaching people
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: through my story, finally figured that out. I think I
[1:03:41] Speaker 1: could bridge the gap between what's.
[1:03:45] Speaker 3: Cool and what's not cool.
[1:03:46] Speaker 1: As far as the youth thinking, being a good guy
[1:03:50] Speaker 1: is not cool. I think I could fix that. only because, like,
[1:03:56] Speaker 1: you see how I could dress for Pretty V interview,
[1:03:59] Speaker 1: then I feel like this. I feel like a young
[1:04:03] Speaker 1: guy today and dress like this and talk about financial literacy.
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: My head be all over the place, but my intent
[1:04:10] Speaker 1: be the same. So, my intention is always good. So,
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: I think my legacy is just to be God's guinea pig. Like,
[1:04:23] Speaker 1: I think um, let God lead me into everything I'm
[1:04:30] Speaker 1: doing and all my decisions that I'm making. And just,
[1:04:34] Speaker 1: if I help one person, I feel like I did
[1:04:37] Speaker 1: my job for the day. Well, I appreciate you brother, man.
[1:04:40] Speaker 1: This is dope conversation. You got a bright future. Tell
[1:04:44] Speaker 1: the people all the information, you know, the, the album,
[1:04:48] Speaker 1: the title, where to get it, when to get it,
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: the whole, the whole vibe. Um, The Price of Fame
[1:04:54] Speaker 1: dropped August 21st. Show Me Love just came out. You
[1:05:02] Speaker 1: can get it everywhere on all platforms. Please sit with
[1:05:07] Speaker 1: it and understand it. I think you'll get financial literacy
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: from it. I think you'll get faith values from it.
[1:05:17] Speaker 1: I think you'll get just a complete understanding of who
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: I am and why I am who I am, why
[1:05:27] Speaker 1: I act how I act. And I just want to
[1:05:31] Speaker 1: thank you guys for having me up here. This was
[1:05:33] Speaker 1: just like one of the coolest interviews I've been on.
[1:05:36] Speaker 1: Appreciate it. This was like, yeah, like this was like
[1:05:42] Speaker 1: a really cool conversation for me because that's what I'm into.
[1:05:46] Speaker 1: And I.
[1:05:49] Speaker 3: Always like learning.
[1:05:50] Speaker 1: And I learned from y'all guys today. And that was
[1:05:53] Speaker 1: really big for me. Yeah. We're not done.
[1:05:56] Speaker 2: We're not done learning, man. We're going to hold your
[1:05:58] Speaker 2: hand in this stock market investing thing. I think it's important.
[1:06:01] Speaker 2: Because I think once you get it, at your level
[1:06:04] Speaker 2: of intelligence, I know your natural thing is let me
[1:06:06] Speaker 2: go give it back to people. So we're going to
[1:06:08] Speaker 2: work on that with you.
[1:06:09] Speaker 3: Appreciate y'all.
[1:06:10] Speaker 1: Yes, sir. All right, y'all. We'll see you next week. Peace.

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