# This Man Turned Plastic Into Fuel… And It Could Save the World‼️ | Julian Brown

An episode of [Earn Your Leisure](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1450211392), 16 Apr 2026, 1 h 30 min.

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In today’s episode of Earn Your Leisure, we sit down with Julian Brown to discuss how one documentary sparked his journey into becoming a scientist with over 7 million followers. After learning that less than 1% of plastic is actually recycled, he made it his mission to solve the global plastic waste crisis. We break down pyrolysis—the process of turning plastic into crude oil—and how Julian built a microwave system in his backyard. He shares the challenges, from machine failures to going viral, and how he used content to fund and scale his innovation. Julian also opens up about his long-term vision to eliminate plastic waste, turning down major deals, and what it will take to bring his technology to the world. This is a powerful conversation on innovation, resilience, and changing the future. #EarnYourLeisure #JulianBrown #Pyrolysis #CleanEnergy #PlasticWaste #Innovation #Entrepreneurship #Sustainability Subscribe and watch more videos here: https://www.youtube.com/@EarnYourLeisure Join the EYL community for deeper training and a more detailed approach: https://www.eyluniversity.com Join the number one stock club in the world: https://www.ianinvest.com Invest Fest | August 7-9, 2026 Grab early bird tickets now: https://www.investfest.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Plastic has more energy in it than the fuel that
[0:02] Speaker 1: we have in this world. If we can turn this
[0:04] Speaker 1: into a valuable item that we know is so valuable
[0:07] Speaker 1: because we go to war and kill each.
[0:08] Speaker 2: Other over it, now you're thinking, like, let me change
[0:10] Speaker 2: the world.
[0:11] Speaker 3: Nobody had made a solar microwave pyalysis reactor anywhere.
[0:15] Speaker 1: I built this. I know it works, but why is
[0:17] Speaker 1: this not adopted in the world? And then my phone is.
[0:20] Speaker 3: Completely hacked and they had complete access to my phone
[0:23] Speaker 3: trying to figure out, like, is this a physical prit
[0:25] Speaker 3: is my life of risk and my family's life at risk?
[0:26] Speaker 1: And then I felt these really deep vibrations to my
[0:29] Speaker 1: old body. It was a helicopter flying over and the
[0:31] Speaker 1: spotlight was zodly shined directly into the windshield of my bag.
[0:34] Speaker 1: I was getting ready to just drive off that night
[0:36] Speaker 1: because I'm like, what is going on? This was a
[0:38] Speaker 1: funded organization, funded by some nations government to do this.
[0:41] Speaker 3: That was a team, and that was an expensive attack.
[0:43] Speaker 3: It did look like a kidnapping situation.
[0:45] Speaker 1: I'll keep it real.
[0:46] Speaker 2: The plastic issue here is pandemic. So we thank you.
[0:48] Speaker 2: That's why I said, we got to make sure you
[0:50] Speaker 2: say that all times.
[0:51] Speaker 3: My diesel makes more power than diesel from the punk,
[0:53] Speaker 3: makes less smoke, it burns cleaner.
[0:55] Speaker 1: Coca Cola did not pat the Coca Cola formula.
[0:58] Speaker 3: Why because if they patented in the formula, everybody would
[1:00] Speaker 3: know it.
[1:01] Speaker 1: The key is being first to market.
[1:02] Speaker 4: You writing a book telling people how to do what
[1:04] Speaker 4: you did. Yeah, but you're not gonna put everything in it.
[1:06] Speaker 4: You got the trade secrets.
[1:07] Speaker 1: When I read that book, I want to tell people
[1:09] Speaker 1: how to do the machine and that means everything. All right, guys,
[1:13] Speaker 1: welcome back, ey l. This is the futuristic version for sure,
[1:17] Speaker 1: when we're in twenty thirty.
[1:20] Speaker 4: Oh, very fitting for sure. So we got very very
[1:23] Speaker 4: very very special guests. The good brother Julian Alexander Brown.
[1:27] Speaker 4: We actually met at Investfest last year.
[1:30] Speaker 1: It was a surprise. I didn't know he was going
[1:31] Speaker 1: to be there.
[1:32] Speaker 4: We were signing books and if in the marketplace and
[1:34] Speaker 4: turned around some one of the beauty of the invest Fest.
[1:36] Speaker 1: You never know what's gonna be there. Turned around, he
[1:37] Speaker 1: was there, and we.
[1:38] Speaker 4: Just chopped it up and then I believe he came
[1:40] Speaker 4: to the VIP night after that. It was around for
[1:43] Speaker 4: the weekend. So if you if you're not familiar with Julian.
[1:47] Speaker 4: He's the gentleman he's been going to viral on social
[1:50] Speaker 4: media for turning plastic to pretty much gasoline that can
[1:55] Speaker 4: be used for cars, for cars to run on, which
[1:59] Speaker 4: you know, we about especially now it's timely with everything
[2:02] Speaker 4: that's been going on in the Middle East, Iran, the
[2:04] Speaker 4: price of oil, the price of gas, and it's been
[2:08] Speaker 4: it's always been an issue, but it's it's becoming even
[2:11] Speaker 4: more of an issue people not being able to you know,
[2:16] Speaker 4: travel because the price of gas is so high and
[2:19] Speaker 4: so much discomfort that comes from that, and from an
[2:21] Speaker 4: environmental standpoint as well, environmental impact that so many gas
[2:27] Speaker 4: emissions have on the environment.
[2:29] Speaker 1: Obviously, that's been talked about for a long period of time.
[2:31] Speaker 4: So we're talking about STEM a lot in our community, science, technology, engineering, mathematics,
[2:37] Speaker 4: and this really encompasses all of that. So, you know,
[2:41] Speaker 4: talking to an entrepreneur, but an inventor, somebody that's a
[2:46] Speaker 4: pioneer in the space, somebody that's a scientific genius.
[2:50] Speaker 1: So we got a lot to talk about. So first
[2:52] Speaker 1: of all, well, thank you for joining us, but I
[2:53] Speaker 1: appreciate it absolutely. Thank you guys for having me.
[2:55] Speaker 5: The first time we met I said, I turned around
[2:58] Speaker 5: you with it. I said, look, we got before we
[3:00] Speaker 5: even said hello. I said, we got to protect you
[3:02] Speaker 5: at all. Course, and I feel even stronger because of
[3:05] Speaker 5: the mission that you're on. Your brilliance and your innovation
[3:09] Speaker 5: is something that's revolutionary. So I'm happy to get here.
[3:11] Speaker 5: I'm happy that you're safe, and we're gonna make sure
[3:13] Speaker 5: that you stayed headway.
[3:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate it.
[3:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, man, thank you.
[3:16] Speaker 1: So where does it start?
[3:18] Speaker 4: Can you walk us through the churin I caught up
[3:20] Speaker 4: with you on social media. I'm sure everybody else did
[3:22] Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. I think you have you
[3:24] Speaker 4: like over a million followers, huh.
[3:25] Speaker 1: When I was an invest festal last year, I think
[3:27] Speaker 1: that was at about two million. Right now? What are
[3:30] Speaker 1: you collectively about seven seven million followers? So, but where
[3:35] Speaker 1: does it start?
[3:35] Speaker 5: Like?
[3:36] Speaker 4: How do you actually get into science? How do you
[3:39] Speaker 4: get into having this idea? Like what's what's the journey
[3:44] Speaker 4: from growing up to get in here?
[3:46] Speaker 1: So I was born in Chattanooga, Tennessee, and then I
[3:50] Speaker 1: moved down to Georgia when I was about five years old,
[3:54] Speaker 1: and I've been in Georgia ever since, in the suburbs
[3:56] Speaker 1: suburbs just outside of Atlanta. Now my entire life, I
[4:00] Speaker 1: always been a kinesthetic person.
[4:02] Speaker 2: You know.
[4:02] Speaker 1: I'd be building with lego blocks, using my mind take
[4:05] Speaker 1: things apart, and I always kind of had a calling
[4:09] Speaker 1: that I was going to do something deeper for the world.
[4:10] Speaker 1: Like when I was four years old, I told my
[4:12] Speaker 1: mom that I'm going to build something that's going to
[4:14] Speaker 1: change the world. I know what, I just told her that.
[4:17] Speaker 1: She never forgot those words. But for most of my life,
[4:20] Speaker 1: up until tenth grade, I didn't really have anything particular
[4:25] Speaker 1: that I was doing outside of typical hobbies like I
[4:28] Speaker 1: was in karate and stuff. Anyway, tenth grade environmental science class,
[4:33] Speaker 1: they played us a clip of the ocean and the
[4:36] Speaker 1: plastic problem, and they talked about how they don't recycle plastic,
[4:39] Speaker 1: the oceans are horrible, all this and all that, and
[4:43] Speaker 1: in my head I was thinking, well, I'm not contributing
[4:46] Speaker 1: to the ocean plastic because since fifth grade I had
[4:49] Speaker 1: been encouraging my parents to pay for recycling. So I'm like, Okay,
[4:53] Speaker 1: that's only the people that aren't recycling they're contributing to that.
[4:56] Speaker 1: And then at the end of this documentary they said, oh,
[4:59] Speaker 1: by the way, less than one percent of plastic actually
[5:02] Speaker 1: gets recycled, So even if you throw it in the
[5:04] Speaker 1: recycled bin, it's still ended up in the ocean anyway.
[5:07] Speaker 4: Oh, so explain that I'm recycled. I recycle ataw too.
[5:11] Speaker 4: You said less than one percent of the plastic that
[5:14] Speaker 4: gets recycled ends up.
[5:16] Speaker 1: So you throw one hundred water bottles in a recycle bin,
[5:19] Speaker 1: you're lucky if one gets recycled.
[5:20] Speaker 2: What is it?
[5:21] Speaker 1: Ninety nine go landfill or ocean? Why? Because the very
[5:27] Speaker 1: issue is in how we do recycling currently. So current
[5:31] Speaker 1: plastic recycling is called mechanical recycling. We're taking like one
[5:34] Speaker 1: water bottle and turning it into another water bottle. The
[5:37] Speaker 1: issue is you can't. It can't be contaminated, it can't
[5:41] Speaker 1: be mixed with too many other type of plastics, and
[5:43] Speaker 1: it only works on certain types of plastics because, of course,
[5:46] Speaker 1: nobody wants to to consume a piece of plastic that
[5:52] Speaker 1: is like dirty, right, it's not, you know, it needs
[5:54] Speaker 1: to be like new, almost virgin again. And so the
[5:58] Speaker 1: issue in that lies in the fact that that let's
[6:01] Speaker 1: take for example, a typical water bottle, it has three
[6:05] Speaker 1: different types of plastic on it. You have the water
[6:08] Speaker 1: bottle body itself that's polyethyl terraphylate, the wrap is polyethylene
[6:13] Speaker 1: that gives the label, and then the cap is polypropylene.
[6:15] Speaker 1: That's three different types of plastic. And when you're trying
[6:18] Speaker 1: to mechanically recycle plastic, you can't just throw that whole
[6:21] Speaker 1: water bottle into a machine, but somebody has to individually
[6:24] Speaker 1: go in and separate each one of those individual plastics
[6:28] Speaker 1: out and put those into their own respective areas. And
[6:31] Speaker 1: then of course the bottle also has glue on it
[6:33] Speaker 1: that you know, wraps the label on. Now that glue
[6:36] Speaker 1: is an issue because that's contaminating when they're trying to
[6:38] Speaker 1: make a fresh new piece of plastic. So you could see,
[6:40] Speaker 1: it becomes a logistical nightmare really quick. And we're not
[6:43] Speaker 1: even talking about things like chip bags, which have plastic
[6:46] Speaker 1: line on the outside, aluminum liner on the inside, and
[6:49] Speaker 1: then grease from whatever you know, food was in there,
[6:52] Speaker 1: or like condiment containers, you know, like that never truly
[6:56] Speaker 1: get cleaned out. And so the truth is they don't
[6:58] Speaker 1: really recycle, and when they do you actually recycle. Here's
[7:01] Speaker 1: what happens. You can only recycle like a water bottle
[7:05] Speaker 1: or a coke bottle so many times, it's about six
[7:07] Speaker 1: or seven times. And then if the plastic becomes so
[7:10] Speaker 1: brittle and weak, the only thing you can do with
[7:11] Speaker 1: it at that point it's like make a rug out
[7:14] Speaker 1: of it, a cheap plastic rug. And that cheap plastic rug, well,
[7:19] Speaker 1: eventually that's going to get down away. What happens to
[7:21] Speaker 1: that it can't be recycled anymore. It reaches the end
[7:24] Speaker 1: of life. So the very issue is in how the
[7:27] Speaker 1: system has been set up. It's not a circular system.
[7:30] Speaker 1: It's not true recycling. It's almost more of a band aid.
[7:33] Speaker 1: The issue is this, they don't recycle most of plastic.
[7:38] Speaker 1: So many people have stories that they're like, I see
[7:41] Speaker 1: the recycled truck go through the same place the landfill
[7:43] Speaker 1: truck goes to. Right, So many people have these stories.
[7:45] Speaker 1: The oceans look the way they do. But here's the issue.
[7:48] Speaker 1: Recycling is a billion dollar industry, plastic recycling. Okay, why
[7:53] Speaker 1: are they making billions of dollars if they're not actually
[7:55] Speaker 1: recycling Because they've been telling people for years, you know,
[7:58] Speaker 1: pay this thirty dollars a month, throw your plastic in
[8:00] Speaker 1: the recycling bin, will recycle it. But they haven't been
[8:03] Speaker 1: recycling it, have been sending all this plastic to China.
[8:07] Speaker 1: In China, I believe it was twenty fifteen. Well, first
[8:10] Speaker 1: of all, they weren't really recycling it themselves because they
[8:12] Speaker 1: don't even have environmental standards like that. But then in
[8:14] Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, I believe China said no, we're done taking
[8:17] Speaker 1: your plastic. But now the recycling companies still had to
[8:20] Speaker 1: keep up the line and they were really just throwing
[8:22] Speaker 1: it away or sending it to other nation developing nations
[8:26] Speaker 1: that would end up just either burning this plastic or
[8:28] Speaker 1: throwing it in rivers, which ends up in the ocean.
[8:31] Speaker 5: It's interest because I saw a few clips over the
[8:34] Speaker 5: past couple of years that they were sending it to
[8:37] Speaker 5: China and they were figuring out a way to use
[8:39] Speaker 5: that plastic to turn it into energy. I want to
[8:41] Speaker 5: just backtrap before we go that far. You're environmental science,
[8:46] Speaker 5: you watched this documentary. What then sparks you to say,
[8:50] Speaker 5: all right, I'm going to make the change. I'm going
[8:52] Speaker 5: to figure something out. Because most people, and we all
[8:55] Speaker 5: sat in the environmental science, we just can't wait till
[8:57] Speaker 5: we get to physic you know, like that's right, good,
[9:00] Speaker 5: thinking like let me change the world, like what was
[9:03] Speaker 5: the piece and how receptive are your peers to this
[9:06] Speaker 5: idea at the time.
[9:08] Speaker 1: So in that class, that's where the idea sparked. That's
[9:11] Speaker 1: where in my mind I started to be like that
[9:13] Speaker 1: is wrong, Like that's not right. I didn't feel comfortable
[9:17] Speaker 1: anymore ever since that. But actually nothing actually came from
[9:21] Speaker 1: that that moment in tenth grade. Nothing happened into two
[9:24] Speaker 1: years after that, my senior year. At this point, I
[9:27] Speaker 1: was in a welding program in high school, so I
[9:30] Speaker 1: had learned how to weld put together machines, and then
[9:33] Speaker 1: I had an accident happened where one of my peers
[9:35] Speaker 1: actually ended up stabbing me with a knife on my
[9:39] Speaker 1: right thumb and it ended up severing my tendon so
[9:41] Speaker 1: I couldn't use my thumb for mumps. And then, like
[9:45] Speaker 1: I said, I always been kinesthetic, you know, I was gardening, welding,
[9:48] Speaker 1: making jewelry, blah blah blah, So that was always an
[9:50] Speaker 1: outlook for me. But after not having mobility in my hand,
[9:53] Speaker 1: I almost fell into a depression. But I didn't let
[9:56] Speaker 1: myself get into that depressive state because instead I kind
[9:59] Speaker 1: of it was like, Okay, I can't build things for
[10:01] Speaker 1: once in my life, but I can work on things
[10:04] Speaker 1: in my mind. And then that in that space, it
[10:07] Speaker 1: allowed me to kind of go back to that time
[10:09] Speaker 1: of thinking about like what I was passionate about and
[10:11] Speaker 1: like what I wanted to do in this world. And
[10:13] Speaker 1: it took me back to that environmental science class because
[10:15] Speaker 1: I remember when I saw that documentary and at the
[10:18] Speaker 1: end of it when they told us they don't recycle,
[10:21] Speaker 1: I actually kind of felt doomed because that was the
[10:23] Speaker 1: end of the documentary. It wasn't you know, Okay, we
[10:27] Speaker 1: don't recycle, but here's what we are doing. Here's a solution. No,
[10:30] Speaker 1: that was it, and I'm like, and I remember there
[10:32] Speaker 1: are a few of the students in the class at
[10:33] Speaker 1: the moment that were like, that's something that's really messed up.
[10:36] Speaker 1: So anyway, being in that place, I went back to
[10:39] Speaker 1: that place because, like I said, it never left me,
[10:41] Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, what can I do about this
[10:44] Speaker 1: plastic problem because clearly there's not anything being done properly,
[10:49] Speaker 1: And so I truly was just coming from a place
[10:52] Speaker 1: of like almost looking at it like if I don't
[10:55] Speaker 1: do something, I don't think anything will be done. Because,
[10:58] Speaker 1: like I said, two years had already passed at that
[11:00] Speaker 1: point and it was still the same issue. In fact,
[11:02] Speaker 1: it got worse because when they showed us a documentary,
[11:05] Speaker 1: it was like three percent or less of plastic it
[11:07] Speaker 1: gets recycled. By the time I was doing research two
[11:09] Speaker 1: years later, it dropped down to one percent. Now, I
[11:12] Speaker 1: mean it's even below that. So anyway, it literally was
[11:16] Speaker 1: as simple as me just looking up on Google, because
[11:19] Speaker 1: this is before AI. I just looked up, like, why
[11:21] Speaker 1: are they not recycling plastic? All right, but let's play
[11:24] Speaker 1: Devil's Advocate everything. I just told you guys about the
[11:27] Speaker 1: mechanical recycling the contamination. So I was like, okay, well
[11:30] Speaker 1: that's that's not how it's gonna work. That's just not
[11:33] Speaker 1: the solution, clearly. And so then I looked up how
[11:35] Speaker 1: can we recycle plastic in other ways? And then there
[11:39] Speaker 1: was two ways that popped up. It said incineration, like
[11:43] Speaker 1: burning it, and I'm like, well, that's not a good solution.
[11:45] Speaker 1: I mean, we already see that happening. Air pollution is horrible.
[11:48] Speaker 1: And then it said pyrolysis, So what is that pyrolysis?
[11:53] Speaker 1: Because mind you, I almost felt chemistry class they put
[11:57] Speaker 1: me an honors chemistry in ninth grade, and I wasn't
[11:59] Speaker 1: with it. So I'm like, what is pyrolysis? And then
[12:01] Speaker 1: so I looked up pyrolysis and it said it said, well,
[12:05] Speaker 1: in Greek it broke it down pyro and lysis it
[12:07] Speaker 1: means pyro means heat, licnus means to break apart, to
[12:10] Speaker 1: break apart with heat. And I'm like, isn't that just
[12:12] Speaker 1: burning something? But it said no, burning something in the
[12:15] Speaker 1: absence of oxygen or breaking something apart in the absence
[12:18] Speaker 1: of oxygen with heat rather, And I'm like, okay, what
[12:21] Speaker 1: does that have to do with plastic? So then I
[12:23] Speaker 1: started to think in my head, I'm like, okay, first
[12:25] Speaker 1: of all, what is plastic? Right, Like what is it?
[12:27] Speaker 1: Do you guys know what it is? Like? What is
[12:29] Speaker 1: it made of? Petroleum?
[12:31] Speaker 2: It is?
[12:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not common knowledge. Most people do not know that.
[12:36] Speaker 1: And here's the craziest part. Plastic is now considered the
[12:39] Speaker 1: most common material in this world, but most people don't
[12:43] Speaker 1: even know what it's made of. Like we all know
[12:45] Speaker 1: what paper is made of, but not everybody knows what
[12:49] Speaker 1: plastic is made of. It's made of petroleum, and we
[12:52] Speaker 1: all seen it. That's why it burns so well. As
[12:55] Speaker 1: a matter of fact, on a chemical level, it's essentially
[12:58] Speaker 1: the solid form of crude oil. So much Soto And
[13:01] Speaker 1: just like how we all know a solid is the
[13:03] Speaker 1: most dense form, meaning it has the most energy in it.
[13:08] Speaker 1: So I did research and I was like, plastic is
[13:11] Speaker 1: made a petroleum. And then I found this chart that
[13:13] Speaker 1: showed the energy bonds of plastic versus gasoline versus diesel,
[13:18] Speaker 1: and and then it turned out plastic has more energy
[13:21] Speaker 1: in it than the fuel that we have in this world.
[13:24] Speaker 1: And then I was like, WHOA. I was starting to
[13:27] Speaker 1: get a little bit confused now because I'm like, if
[13:29] Speaker 1: this is so common knowledge, I can just look this up.
[13:32] Speaker 1: How come we, for one don't all know about this
[13:34] Speaker 1: and we aren't doing this? And then I tied it
[13:37] Speaker 1: back in because then I said, okay, so plastic has
[13:39] Speaker 1: made a petroleum. Now you're talking about you can recycle
[13:42] Speaker 1: plastic through pyrolysis. And then in pyrolysis, guess what, you
[13:45] Speaker 1: turn that plastic back into crude oil, back into fuel.
[13:50] Speaker 1: That's what pyrolysis is. And then now it all started
[13:53] Speaker 1: to cook together and make sense. Now I'm like that
[13:55] Speaker 1: this sounds like the proper type of recycling turning plastic,
[13:59] Speaker 1: not burn it or turning it into rugs, but turning
[14:02] Speaker 1: it into an actual useful and valuable item. Because the
[14:06] Speaker 1: number one reason why we don't recycle plastic is because
[14:09] Speaker 1: it's cheaper to just make new plastic, and then you
[14:13] Speaker 1: get better quality plastic anyway when you make it fresh
[14:15] Speaker 1: from new plastic anyway, So it makes no sense to recycle.
[14:19] Speaker 1: But if we can turn this into a valuable item
[14:22] Speaker 1: that we know is so valuable because we go to
[14:24] Speaker 1: war and kill each other over it, now that makes sense.
[14:28] Speaker 1: And it actually made me even more upseent in that
[14:30] Speaker 1: moment when I found that out, because I'm like I
[14:32] Speaker 1: at this point, I'm seventeen years old in high school,
[14:36] Speaker 1: in welding class, just looking stuff up on Google, and
[14:39] Speaker 1: I'm like, why is it? Why is this something I
[14:44] Speaker 1: have to go after to look up? Why aren't we
[14:47] Speaker 1: already just doing this in the world. So and then
[14:48] Speaker 1: that made me say, I'm building one. I'm building one.
[14:51] Speaker 1: And so I looked up like this in the same
[14:53] Speaker 1: prompt how to build a plastic pyrolysis reactor boom Instructible's
[14:59] Speaker 1: link came up on Google, and then there was somebody
[15:02] Speaker 1: that built like a little chamber on his stove.
[15:05] Speaker 2: Did they exist? Yeah, okay, they existed. So that's where
[15:08] Speaker 2: you got the I.
[15:10] Speaker 1: Didn't invent pyrolysis. I did not invent plastic. Pyrolysis, the
[15:14] Speaker 1: process of turning plastic back into crude oil, existed the
[15:17] Speaker 1: day that plastic existed. Because pyrolysis is a process that
[15:22] Speaker 1: existed since the beginning of Earth. So when you here's
[15:25] Speaker 1: how it works. When you have something heated without air
[15:29] Speaker 1: and oxygen, it doesn't catch on fire. It actually breaks
[15:32] Speaker 1: down into oil. And so this is what Earth does
[15:36] Speaker 1: to make crude oil. To begin with, a whole bunch
[15:39] Speaker 1: of organic matter gets buried under the surface. There's no
[15:42] Speaker 1: oxygen down there. We know it's hot down there, and
[15:45] Speaker 1: it breaks down into oil. That's why we have oil
[15:47] Speaker 1: and gas pockets under the earth. Earth has been doing
[15:50] Speaker 1: this process. This is biomimicry. But nonetheless, I looked up
[15:55] Speaker 1: how to build a reactor. It pulled up and I'm like, okay,
[15:58] Speaker 1: I could build that. I'm a welder, you know this
[16:00] Speaker 1: is simple. It's just like a literally like a pot
[16:02] Speaker 1: with pipes coming off of it. So I did that.
[16:04] Speaker 1: I built the first one seventeen years old, senior year
[16:07] Speaker 1: because I gradu I started school year early. So anyway,
[16:10] Speaker 1: I built the first one in welding class because my
[16:12] Speaker 1: welding teacher, I got ahead of everybody, so my thumb
[16:15] Speaker 1: heels I started the weld again. I got ahead of everybody.
[16:18] Speaker 1: And then the last month of class, I built this
[16:20] Speaker 1: reactor and it barely worked, but it did and I
[16:24] Speaker 1: made a little bit of an oil and then I
[16:26] Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, this is legit. This is a
[16:28] Speaker 1: real thing. And then from that point I was always
[16:32] Speaker 1: playing Devil's Advocate because I'm like, Okay, I built this
[16:35] Speaker 1: and I know it works, but why is this not
[16:37] Speaker 1: adopted in the world, Because I realized this is a
[16:40] Speaker 1: very inefficient process. Because here's how it typically works in
[16:44] Speaker 1: the world. This is how every current and present paralysis
[16:47] Speaker 1: manufacturer does it. On a small scale or a large scale.
[16:51] Speaker 1: They have a vessel where plastic goes into, right, they
[16:54] Speaker 1: close it off to where there's no air. You can't
[16:55] Speaker 1: have oxygen oral so you just catch on fire. Then
[16:58] Speaker 1: they have a burner like a gas burner that's heating
[17:00] Speaker 1: up that container from the outside to then you know
[17:03] Speaker 1: heat up the plastic on the inside to then break
[17:05] Speaker 1: it down. The plastic turns into a petroleum vapor. That
[17:08] Speaker 1: vapor then goes through the pipes, and then the vapor
[17:11] Speaker 1: the pipes cool down the vapor until it becomes a
[17:13] Speaker 1: liquid again do condensation. That's called traditional pyrolysis. It's very slow,
[17:18] Speaker 1: very inefficient, and you have to burn gas to even
[17:22] Speaker 1: do the process. So I'm like, this is not going
[17:24] Speaker 1: to work. And then this is where I started to
[17:27] Speaker 1: innovate because I thought to myself, what are faster ways
[17:30] Speaker 1: of heating up something, faster ways of breaking down something
[17:33] Speaker 1: with heat? Looking around my house, you know, saw the
[17:36] Speaker 1: oven saw like an airfire, and like airfire is fast,
[17:39] Speaker 1: but that won't work because you can't have air. I
[17:41] Speaker 1: looked at the microwave and I'm like, now that that's
[17:44] Speaker 1: a fast way of heating things up. And this is
[17:46] Speaker 1: all happening. This is my gap. I had a gap
[17:49] Speaker 1: year after I graduated because I was telling my parents, like,
[17:51] Speaker 1: this is what I want to work on. So I
[17:52] Speaker 1: was eighteen at this point. And then it was one
[17:54] Speaker 1: night just looking around the kitchen thinking like that, and
[17:56] Speaker 1: I looked at the microwave and I said I want
[17:58] Speaker 1: to make a reactor that of microwaves. So I started
[18:01] Speaker 1: to do research into that, the same thing, looking up
[18:03] Speaker 1: on Google microwave hyrolysis reactors of plastic and I'm starting
[18:08] Speaker 1: to find resources. But it's starting to become more scarce now.
[18:11] Speaker 1: It's not as easy to just look up how to
[18:13] Speaker 1: build a microwave paralysis reactor. As a matter of fact,
[18:16] Speaker 1: when I built my first one, nobody on Earth had
[18:20] Speaker 1: in a backyard scale put one together and put the
[18:23] Speaker 1: instructions online that had not been done. The only resources
[18:26] Speaker 1: for a microwave paralysis reactor or universities and then pilot
[18:31] Speaker 1: scale companies that had like million dollar funding to like
[18:34] Speaker 1: do research into building one. So there were no guides
[18:36] Speaker 1: to build a microwave paralysis reactor. I had to break
[18:41] Speaker 1: it down to the where I'm like, Okay, how do
[18:42] Speaker 1: you take a part of microwave oven? How do you
[18:44] Speaker 1: take apart the magnetron and the microwave oven that's what
[18:47] Speaker 1: makes the microwaves. How do you implement that onto a
[18:50] Speaker 1: chamber where you can have microwaves enter a reactor? How
[18:53] Speaker 1: do you take apart the power supply system from a
[18:57] Speaker 1: microwave oven, which produces enough voltage to kill you instantly,
[19:00] Speaker 1: and how do you safely integrate this onto a homemade reactor?
[19:04] Speaker 1: And I had to do trialing error. I literally was
[19:07] Speaker 1: going and pick up up microwaves from the scrap yard,
[19:10] Speaker 1: taking them apart, and then just looking up YouTube guides.
[19:13] Speaker 1: I'm like doing the wiring, the circuitry all that. I'm
[19:15] Speaker 1: not an electrician at all. I went to school for welding.
[19:18] Speaker 1: I was teaching myself all that just by a little
[19:21] Speaker 1: trialing error, because there was no guide to build the
[19:23] Speaker 1: whole thing, but there were always these guides for little
[19:25] Speaker 1: individual components, like how to build them.
[19:27] Speaker 2: They're not doing this in the lab, No, I'm in my.
[19:29] Speaker 1: Parents' backyard at this point eighteen years old, okay, okay.
[19:33] Speaker 1: And so after about a month and a half, because
[19:37] Speaker 1: here's the thing, after I graduated, I actually got a
[19:40] Speaker 1: job to work at the same welding school that I
[19:43] Speaker 1: went to. I was an assistant instructor, so my actual
[19:47] Speaker 1: instructor would let me build these reactors while I would
[19:51] Speaker 1: after I got the students ahead on their work and
[19:53] Speaker 1: stuff and they didn't need me to oversee them. So anyway,
[19:56] Speaker 1: I built this called Mark one. This was the first
[19:59] Speaker 1: microwave pyrolysis reactor. That it was a square machine that
[20:02] Speaker 1: literally could have fit in my lap, Like this is
[20:04] Speaker 1: like a crockpot about the size. And this was the
[20:07] Speaker 1: first one to operate off of microwaves. And this could
[20:10] Speaker 1: literally be seen on any of my my social media's
[20:12] Speaker 1: bit this machine. When I built it and I put
[20:16] Speaker 1: it together, you know, it was all built on a
[20:17] Speaker 1: theory of like this is going to be more efficient,
[20:19] Speaker 1: this is gonna work better. I didn't know, but I'll
[20:23] Speaker 1: say it like this. For instance, when I had that
[20:25] Speaker 1: first machine I ever built that used traditional pyrolysis, where
[20:28] Speaker 1: you know you would heat it up with a gas flame.
[20:31] Speaker 1: The uh there, it would take about two hours before
[20:37] Speaker 1: you know from me when you first turn on the
[20:38] Speaker 1: gas flame to before you really start to see a
[20:40] Speaker 1: lot of vapors forming for the plastic to break down
[20:43] Speaker 1: into the petroleum vapors. Right about two hours of heating up.
[20:45] Speaker 1: Because it's a slow process, how.
[20:46] Speaker 2: Long util it cools to turn the liquid.
[20:48] Speaker 1: Uh So as soon as you see vapors coming out,
[20:51] Speaker 1: you can cool them to turn them into the liquid.
[20:52] Speaker 1: The first sign that you need is you need to
[20:54] Speaker 1: see vapors because without vapors. There's nothing too cool down,
[20:57] Speaker 1: so that's what you want to see first, the plastic
[20:59] Speaker 1: breaking down into that petrollium vapor. Okay, I turned on
[21:02] Speaker 1: my microwave paralysis reactor for the first time. Guess how
[21:06] Speaker 1: long it took. I want both of you to guess
[21:08] Speaker 1: about how long it took before I start to see
[21:09] Speaker 1: vapors after it turned on. Thirty minutes. Okay, thirty minutes.
[21:14] Speaker 2: I'm gonna go lower than that. I'll say five minutes.
[21:19] Speaker 1: Vapors formed instantly. The second I turned it on. Vapors
[21:24] Speaker 1: were already coming out, and I'm like, oh, this is it,
[21:28] Speaker 1: because I myself saw two hours an hour and a half.
[21:31] Speaker 1: Two hours was how long it took before to even
[21:33] Speaker 1: see vapors. The microwaves work through what's called volumemetric heating.
[21:37] Speaker 1: That's heating from the inside out. That's why you throw
[21:40] Speaker 1: like a hot pocket in the microwave. If it doesn't
[21:43] Speaker 1: cook right, the inside will be hot as hell, burn you,
[21:45] Speaker 1: but the outside is cold. Microaps heat from the inside out,
[21:48] Speaker 1: and that's way more efficient because before you had a
[21:51] Speaker 1: gas flame on the outside that was hitting a container
[21:53] Speaker 1: from the outside that would then conduct into the plastic,
[21:57] Speaker 1: and then plastic would have to spread the heat to
[21:58] Speaker 1: other plastic, which is an insulator. Microwaves just heat up
[22:01] Speaker 1: just what you want, just to plastic. And so at
[22:03] Speaker 1: that point I knew this is how we have to
[22:06] Speaker 1: do it, because there was another advantage that I didn't
[22:08] Speaker 1: even really think about it at that moment, and that
[22:10] Speaker 1: is that microwaves operate off of electricity, which means this
[22:15] Speaker 1: could operate off of any form of electricity, whether that's solar, wind, nuclear,
[22:20] Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. We have no limitation now. So then
[22:23] Speaker 1: at that point there were a few issues with that rendition,
[22:26] Speaker 1: so that I built another one, Mark two, which was
[22:29] Speaker 1: like the same type of machine, but it was circular
[22:31] Speaker 1: because I figured out in doing research there's a reason
[22:34] Speaker 1: why every pressure vessel and gas truck ever has a cylinder.
[22:38] Speaker 1: Is a cylinder, not a square, because it's just for
[22:40] Speaker 1: pressure and ceiling it's easier. So I built the same
[22:43] Speaker 1: machine but circular, this time Mark two, which was once
[22:45] Speaker 1: again small, like literally the size of the crock pot
[22:48] Speaker 1: could fit on your lap. And then after that I
[22:51] Speaker 1: realized another big issue I had was, Okay, I'm throwing
[22:55] Speaker 1: plastic in here, but there's something in a microwave, that
[22:57] Speaker 1: there's more to a microwave than just throwing food in there.
[23:00] Speaker 1: Turntable to agitate because otherwise microhibs never heat consistently or evenly.
[23:04] Speaker 1: I'm like, I need some type of turntable because what's
[23:07] Speaker 1: happening is I throw the plastic in the machine. It
[23:09] Speaker 1: would make fuel, it would break down, but then there'll
[23:12] Speaker 1: be clumps of plastic in the middle that would never
[23:14] Speaker 1: be even be touched that you know, they'd still be
[23:16] Speaker 1: solid plastic. Because what would happen the end byproduct in
[23:19] Speaker 1: this process all that stuff to the plastic inside of
[23:22] Speaker 1: the machine at the end of solid carbon like as
[23:25] Speaker 1: in like carbon carbon like this can be termed to
[23:27] Speaker 1: activated carbon. This is like you know what I'm saying,
[23:29] Speaker 1: This is elemental carbon and minerals. So we'd have carbon
[23:32] Speaker 1: all around the plastic, but then a solid lump of
[23:35] Speaker 1: plastic in the middle. I'm like, there needs to be
[23:36] Speaker 1: some type of agitation to improve this process because I'm
[23:39] Speaker 1: always playing Devil's advocate because I'm like, how can we
[23:41] Speaker 1: get this to a point where it would adopt, be
[23:43] Speaker 1: adopted into the world and change the world and so,
[23:46] Speaker 1: and it also will make the process way more efficient, right,
[23:49] Speaker 1: just I was doing researcher at this point on radio
[23:51] Speaker 1: engineering at this point because I need to understand how
[23:54] Speaker 1: microwibs work. So I literally at this point and researching
[23:57] Speaker 1: and reading NASA and military document on how they're transmitting
[24:03] Speaker 1: radio waves because that's the best type of knowledge I
[24:06] Speaker 1: could find to implement and material sciences I can find
[24:09] Speaker 1: to implement on my skill. Because at this point when
[24:11] Speaker 1: I'm building bot, the time i'm building Mark two, there
[24:14] Speaker 1: is no literature online that to go off of.
[24:16] Speaker 5: Are you nervous at this point, Like you have an idea,
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[24:24] Speaker 5: doing trials before you can share it with the world.
[24:28] Speaker 5: Somebody may come try to take the idea, steal the idea.
[24:31] Speaker 2: Are you sharing it at this time or yeah, keep
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[25:22] Speaker 1: So by the time I built Mark two, that Circlar machine,
[25:25] Speaker 1: that's when I made my first YouTube video. That was
[25:26] Speaker 1: the first publication of it online. And then I had
[25:30] Speaker 1: a lot of my friends tell me you should just
[25:32] Speaker 1: go on TikTok with it. Okay, I did that because
[25:34] Speaker 1: I didn't really get all that much traction on YouTube.
[25:36] Speaker 1: So I went on TikTok with it, the first video
[25:38] Speaker 1: I ever uploaded with they got a million views. He said,
[25:41] Speaker 1: it was like my video was very direct. I'm like,
[25:43] Speaker 1: I'm turning plastic into fuel. With this machine. That surprised
[25:45] Speaker 1: people because people are first of all, like that's possible,
[25:48] Speaker 1: and then they're like, you're doing this in your backyard,
[25:50] Speaker 1: so they couldn't help. But look, so I start to
[25:52] Speaker 1: share it online and that was actually a part of
[25:55] Speaker 1: my strategy in a way, because I was thinking, Okay,
[25:59] Speaker 1: I'm coming at this from a perspective of I want
[26:01] Speaker 1: to actually change the world with it. I'm not just
[26:03] Speaker 1: trying to make money off of it. I'm not just
[26:05] Speaker 1: trying to, you know, get the fame and notoriety. I
[26:07] Speaker 1: actually want to make a difference in the world. And
[26:10] Speaker 1: I knew that the best way to do that would
[26:12] Speaker 1: actually be through the supportive people and not not the
[26:16] Speaker 1: other way around, where it's like I'm trying to do
[26:18] Speaker 1: this in secrecy for years and years and then figure
[26:20] Speaker 1: it out. Because I knew from my perspective, I didn't
[26:24] Speaker 1: have interest in, for example, having equity partners that weren't
[26:28] Speaker 1: with the mission. I wasn't interested in just getting people
[26:30] Speaker 1: that just wanted to throw me money just because and
[26:33] Speaker 1: I don't even know who they are. And so I
[26:35] Speaker 1: knew if I could get publicity online for this, raise
[26:40] Speaker 1: funds that way, like through donations. Then that can give me,
[26:43] Speaker 1: I guess, a running way to be able to continue
[26:46] Speaker 1: to build and innovate to where I can have a
[26:49] Speaker 1: better position, a better leverageable position on how I want
[26:54] Speaker 1: to go forward with this. And so that was my
[26:56] Speaker 1: strategy because I realized a lot of inventors kind of
[27:00] Speaker 1: mess up in the place of kind of holding it
[27:02] Speaker 1: all to themselves and nobody knows about it, and then
[27:05] Speaker 1: if something happens to them. I mean, nobody even knew
[27:07] Speaker 1: what we were building until after the fact. You know,
[27:10] Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna do something different and we're gonna
[27:11] Speaker 1: see if it works. It's a risk because you know,
[27:14] Speaker 1: I'm posting it online. Somebody could just rebuild it, but
[27:16] Speaker 1: we'll see where it goes. So anyway, I built the
[27:18] Speaker 1: next machine, Mark three. It was the first machine to
[27:20] Speaker 1: have an agitation system and had a big augur on
[27:23] Speaker 1: the inside. It was a horizontal machine at this point,
[27:26] Speaker 1: and it almost like think about like it was an
[27:28] Speaker 1: Auger blade, so it was almost like a gigantic spring
[27:31] Speaker 1: on the inside that can rotate the plastic. Now, that
[27:33] Speaker 1: machine blew up and that was the first machine to
[27:35] Speaker 1: ever have an incident because I built it outside.
[27:38] Speaker 6: I built it from a fifty five gallon drum. So
[27:41] Speaker 6: just to so you're building these different verticals of microwaves.
[27:45] Speaker 6: That's melting the plastic, right, Does it also enrich the plastic?
[27:51] Speaker 6: Does the plastic need to be enriched in order for
[27:53] Speaker 6: it to be used for like as gasoline. Is that
[27:56] Speaker 6: part of the machine as well? Is that another process?
[27:59] Speaker 1: That's another process and I'll get into that in a second,
[28:03] Speaker 1: because at this point I didn't even really have a
[28:07] Speaker 1: specific refining method that I was using in place. Okay, So,
[28:11] Speaker 1: like I said, the Mark three machine blew up because
[28:13] Speaker 1: I built out a five gallon drum two thin of metal.
[28:15] Speaker 1: I built Mark four. This machine was built out of
[28:19] Speaker 1: propane tanks, much thicker metal. At this point, I was
[28:21] Speaker 1: really starting to get publicity online because now I was
[28:24] Speaker 1: making fuel with these machines. I was started to put
[28:27] Speaker 1: tests in engines like wie Wrackers and stuff. But here's
[28:29] Speaker 1: how this works. To answer your question. The plastic can
[28:32] Speaker 1: go in the machine in any form, mixed plastic, dirty plastic,
[28:37] Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It could be mixed with food, it could
[28:39] Speaker 1: be mixed with motor oil, does not matter. It goes
[28:42] Speaker 1: in the machine and it all will all be broken
[28:44] Speaker 1: down from the heat of the microwaves into that petroleum vapor.
[28:47] Speaker 1: Now that petroleum vapor, after it cools down, it becomes
[28:51] Speaker 1: a crude oil. Now, this crude oil is crude oil,
[28:55] Speaker 1: so you can't just put it in an engine. You
[28:57] Speaker 1: have to do another process called distillation, fractional distillation to
[29:01] Speaker 1: refine that crude oil into gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel.
[29:05] Speaker 1: That now, fractional distillation is the exact process we use
[29:08] Speaker 1: in every refiner on Earth to this day to or
[29:11] Speaker 1: you know, take crude oil, make it gasoline, diesel and
[29:13] Speaker 1: jet filud.
[29:14] Speaker 5: That's kind of like what we've been hearing about the
[29:15] Speaker 5: Venezuelan oil. Yes, it has to be distilled. They don't
[29:18] Speaker 5: have the refinery.
[29:19] Speaker 1: Exactly, gotcha, exactly. So I at this point built a
[29:24] Speaker 1: distiller because I'm like, okay, I'm making this crude oil,
[29:27] Speaker 1: but it's not.
[29:27] Speaker 7: It doesn't work in an engine. As is this sounds
[29:30] Speaker 7: who are you? Are you funding this or are the
[29:32] Speaker 7: people now doing it into you to fund it? Because
[29:35] Speaker 7: this all sounds like obviously very invasive, but it also
[29:38] Speaker 7: could be expensive.
[29:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, oh very much so.
[29:40] Speaker 1: And that's why I would be literally doing the most
[29:42] Speaker 1: ghetto methods possible and taking it apart, microwaves from scrap
[29:46] Speaker 1: yards and taking and literally getting pro paying tanks from
[29:49] Speaker 1: scrap yards and draining all the propane out and cutting
[29:52] Speaker 1: them open and welding them together because I, like, I
[29:55] Speaker 1: don't have the funds to, you know, go and buy
[29:57] Speaker 1: fresh new metal, go and buy a new microwave parts.
[30:01] Speaker 1: But people at this point were starting to donate. But
[30:03] Speaker 1: it wasn't really floating like that because I never asked
[30:05] Speaker 1: for donations. I was coming from the perspective of I'm
[30:08] Speaker 1: going to go viral, I'm gonna get AD revenue, and
[30:11] Speaker 1: then that's that's gonna fund me. And TikTok was paying
[30:13] Speaker 1: here and there was nothing crazy. So I was still
[30:15] Speaker 1: working at the school and I was also I started
[30:18] Speaker 1: my own welding company and I called Jabs Metalwork, and
[30:21] Speaker 1: I was going around here in Atlants doing volding jobs
[30:23] Speaker 1: for people. And so between all of those avenues, you know,
[30:26] Speaker 1: a little bit of AD revenue here and there, volding company,
[30:29] Speaker 1: working at the school as an assistant teacher, and then
[30:32] Speaker 1: some donations. I was making enough money to just make
[30:34] Speaker 1: it work.
[30:35] Speaker 2: And then.
[30:38] Speaker 1: That mark for machine I did make my first distiller.
[30:42] Speaker 1: I built it and I made gasoline, put it into
[30:43] Speaker 1: a wheat whacker. That was the first engine to ever operate.
[30:46] Speaker 1: It was awesome. But then that mark Form machine caught
[30:48] Speaker 1: on fire, and that was in my parents' backyard at
[30:51] Speaker 1: this time, because I put all my money into this,
[30:53] Speaker 1: you know, not even getting an apartment or anything, and
[30:56] Speaker 1: when that happened, They're like, we don't want you operating
[30:57] Speaker 1: these anymore. And then I'm like gang And then that
[31:00] Speaker 1: was the first time I ever I think I had
[31:03] Speaker 1: ever put my cash app on anything when I had
[31:05] Speaker 1: that fire, because I'm like, guys, I just need some
[31:06] Speaker 1: type of support because it almost caught their house on fire,
[31:09] Speaker 1: like you know, I had to repair things. And then
[31:11] Speaker 1: that was such a rush of support, like more than
[31:15] Speaker 1: I ever thought, because at that point I never felt
[31:16] Speaker 1: comfortable even like asking for any type of donation. But
[31:19] Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, you guys, see, I'm passionate. I
[31:21] Speaker 1: already been through one of these machines exploding. This one
[31:23] Speaker 1: caught on fire, and then at that point I'm like, oh,
[31:26] Speaker 1: so people really will get behind this at this point
[31:28] Speaker 1: because at this point on TikTok, I think I had
[31:30] Speaker 1: half a million subscribers or followers, and then on Instagram
[31:33] Speaker 1: I had like a few thousand. But anyway, then I realized, okay,
[31:37] Speaker 1: we can do something with this. So I took a break,
[31:39] Speaker 1: a hiatus for about half a year because I didn't
[31:41] Speaker 1: know how I wanted to go about this, because you know,
[31:44] Speaker 1: like I said, I didn't have any property, and my
[31:46] Speaker 1: parents told me, you can't do this anymore. So then
[31:48] Speaker 1: I kind of told them, I said, hey, six months later,
[31:50] Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, guys, you see I have all the
[31:52] Speaker 1: support online. You see, people will donate. Here's what I'm thinking.
[31:55] Speaker 1: I'm gonna build my next machine in the backyard, okay,
[32:00] Speaker 1: and people will, you know, will give donations and get
[32:02] Speaker 1: excited for it, and then through those donations, we'll raise
[32:05] Speaker 1: the money to buy the property we need to actually
[32:07] Speaker 1: put this on. And I told them I'll build it,
[32:09] Speaker 1: but I'll never turn it on. That was our deal.
[32:12] Speaker 1: Now I knew in my head I was lying because
[32:14] Speaker 1: I knew that if I really want to get these donations,
[32:16] Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to build that machine and turn it on.
[32:19] Speaker 1: But anyway, then I built the next machine, Mark four
[32:23] Speaker 1: point five. Now the reason why it's four point five
[32:25] Speaker 1: and not Mark five is because I always promised everybody
[32:29] Speaker 1: that Mark five would be the first professionally built machine
[32:32] Speaker 1: that wasn't ghetto anymore. It wasn't microwave parts and pro
[32:35] Speaker 1: paine tanks. Mark four point five was built out of
[32:38] Speaker 1: three one hundred pound per paying tanks that were cut
[32:40] Speaker 1: and welded together microwave parts from scrapyard, microwaves, microwaves people
[32:44] Speaker 1: donate to me thrown on there. This is the biggest machine.
[32:47] Speaker 1: This is the machine everybody knows me for now. So
[32:50] Speaker 1: at this point, that machine, just by the size and
[32:52] Speaker 1: stature of it, now, it was starting to really pick up, right.
[32:55] Speaker 1: I was starting to get a lot of more donations,
[32:58] Speaker 1: starting to get At this point, my Instagram was started
[33:02] Speaker 1: to blow up. I started, I think, got like one
[33:03] Speaker 1: d two hundred thousand followers on Instagram, and then I
[33:08] Speaker 1: made a little bit of fuel from it that then
[33:10] Speaker 1: I powered in the first vehicle. At this point, I
[33:13] Speaker 1: put I made some diesel, because I made gasoline, diesel
[33:16] Speaker 1: and jet fuel, and I put the diesel inside of
[33:18] Speaker 1: a nineteen ninety three Ford F three point fifty truck
[33:24] Speaker 1: that another influencer named Rachel Cook she bought in Florida
[33:28] Speaker 1: and drove it up to Georgia just to see if
[33:29] Speaker 1: this was the first vehicle ever. So like when I
[33:32] Speaker 1: was asking my supporters like, hey, does anybody want to
[33:34] Speaker 1: donate your vehicle to be the first? Everybody was like hell, no,
[33:36] Speaker 1: we're not doing that. No, sorry, you know, nobody in
[33:39] Speaker 1: my life was willing to do that. But she Rachel Cook,
[33:42] Speaker 1: being an influencer, her security had money, so she just
[33:45] Speaker 1: was like, I believe in you. She bought a truck,
[33:47] Speaker 1: drove it up and then we put the diesel in
[33:49] Speaker 1: and then it worked. And then now I really started
[33:52] Speaker 1: to pick up because now people are like oh, because
[33:54] Speaker 1: up to that point, everybody was like you're making You're
[33:56] Speaker 1: not making fuel, You're just making like that, that's trash.
[33:58] Speaker 1: You just worked as far when you say it worked,
[34:02] Speaker 1: she had to empty the tank. You can't mix. You
[34:05] Speaker 1: can't mix with you you're doing the plastic with the gas.
[34:07] Speaker 1: Yeah you can't. You cannot do that, right, Well you can,
[34:10] Speaker 1: but if you do that, then it's not a realistic
[34:12] Speaker 1: test because it's like it still has gas in. So
[34:14] Speaker 1: so she had to empty the tank. So so here's
[34:17] Speaker 1: what happened. We had such a small quantity of the diesel.
[34:20] Speaker 1: We couldn't empty the tank we had to empty We
[34:22] Speaker 1: had to basically go into the engine and essentially empty
[34:24] Speaker 1: all the diesel from the engine and pour my diesel
[34:27] Speaker 1: directly into the engine. Okay, right, And so that's what
[34:31] Speaker 1: we did for her truck, and it worked, it ran,
[34:36] Speaker 1: and then you could literally even smell from me exhaust
[34:38] Speaker 1: that this was it was a different fuel in there.
[34:40] Speaker 1: How long did it run for? Uh? It ran for
[34:43] Speaker 1: actually a decent amount of time, because we had about
[34:46] Speaker 1: I had about half a gallon, and then I only
[34:48] Speaker 1: ended up putting a quarter gallon in the fuel filter
[34:51] Speaker 1: fuel filter bowl area, and then just off of that
[34:54] Speaker 1: little bit, we ran the truck around this parking lot
[34:56] Speaker 1: like ten times, and then it still had some in there.
[34:59] Speaker 2: So how much plastic did it take to get to
[35:01] Speaker 2: the half a gallon?
[35:02] Speaker 1: So the average conversion rate is about ten pounds to
[35:05] Speaker 1: a gallery. The reason I had so little was because,
[35:08] Speaker 1: like I said, in the middle of me making that
[35:11] Speaker 1: my last machine had burned down and I couldn't make
[35:13] Speaker 1: any more from that point forward. But then anyway, with
[35:15] Speaker 1: Mark four point five doing that, you know, and then
[35:18] Speaker 1: the machine was big. Now I was really starting to
[35:20] Speaker 1: pick up on a social media's But then a big
[35:21] Speaker 1: incident happened. One day. I was distilling refining, which is
[35:25] Speaker 1: you know, we're literally boiling the crude oil to make
[35:27] Speaker 1: a gasoline used and jet fuel, and it blew up.
[35:29] Speaker 1: It literally exploded, and I was in the explosion and
[35:33] Speaker 1: it was like a fireball, and then it gave me
[35:36] Speaker 1: second degree burns on my legs and I had to
[35:38] Speaker 1: go to the hospital. And then at that point my
[35:42] Speaker 1: parents are.
[35:42] Speaker 2: Like, you're done.
[35:43] Speaker 1: You're done. That was enough. Yeah, yeah, that's it. And
[35:48] Speaker 1: so then they said, if you want to continue working
[35:50] Speaker 1: on this, we support you in all, because like, yeah,
[35:52] Speaker 1: we love you and all, but you can't do it
[35:54] Speaker 1: here anymore. I don't know how we never had the
[35:55] Speaker 1: HUA call on us. We got a strict HOA. But
[35:58] Speaker 1: I think all my neighbors are with the mission because
[36:00] Speaker 1: we never got the HA called even after a mushroom
[36:03] Speaker 1: cloud explosion. As a matter of fact, like I have
[36:06] Speaker 1: these scars on my foot. You see, it looks like
[36:09] Speaker 1: I have vital I go on both sides in my foot.
[36:11] Speaker 1: Let's see if the grammar can get it. Yeah, yeah,
[36:13] Speaker 1: you see, yeah, second to be burns. I had to
[36:15] Speaker 1: go to the hospital get burn surgery for them. I
[36:18] Speaker 1: couldn't walk for about a month. I was in crutches.
[36:21] Speaker 1: Is this way you went missing?
[36:23] Speaker 4: No?
[36:23] Speaker 1: No, no, We're about to get there. So yeah, that
[36:26] Speaker 1: was That was the summer before that happened. This is
[36:28] Speaker 1: a book man, and I actually I'm going to be
[36:32] Speaker 1: writing a book soon. That's a different thing. We'll get
[36:35] Speaker 1: to that. But anyway, blew myself up hospital. All this
[36:41] Speaker 1: got out, and my parents are like, no more, and
[36:43] Speaker 1: I'm like, but here's the thing. We have this country
[36:46] Speaker 1: property that we have family property out in Alabama around
[36:50] Speaker 1: Selma that you can go work on out there because
[36:53] Speaker 1: there's no ho out there. It's you know, country property.
[36:56] Speaker 1: To catch is it's four hours away. But and I'm like, well,
[37:00] Speaker 1: I'm trying to too far into the mission now, because
[37:02] Speaker 1: like at this point, I'm still coming from the perspective
[37:04] Speaker 1: of like I've seen how much people will support me,
[37:06] Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm not about to dilute my company
[37:09] Speaker 1: out of desperation for a place to do this. Because
[37:12] Speaker 1: of course people at this point were always offering like hey,
[37:15] Speaker 1: let me invest, let me but it was always predatory
[37:17] Speaker 1: and type of things people are like, hey, you know me,
[37:19] Speaker 1: let me give you fifty thousand dollars for half of
[37:21] Speaker 1: the company type thing. You know, let me give you
[37:23] Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars for happening. And I'm like, no, you.
[37:25] Speaker 5: Formed a company like you did you know that process
[37:28] Speaker 5: of creating a company and had an LLC point okay.
[37:32] Speaker 2: And then the other part is like I'm just stuck
[37:35] Speaker 2: on you blowing yourself up.
[37:37] Speaker 5: Usually engineers chemical engineers have lab interns or lab like assistants.
[37:43] Speaker 2: Do you have any of these things? It's just you.
[37:44] Speaker 1: No, it's just been me. Wow, okay, yeah, keep going,
[37:48] Speaker 1: so going on, I believe at this point, I'm like
[37:51] Speaker 1: twenty twenty twenty and almost twenty one, I moved the machine,
[37:56] Speaker 1: this entire machine out to Alabama four hours away. And
[38:00] Speaker 1: that's this is this machine that everybody's known me for online.
[38:02] Speaker 1: It's the big machine that's the size of out of
[38:04] Speaker 1: school bus, you know, all together. And this machine is
[38:08] Speaker 1: the machine that made the fuel that I put into
[38:10] Speaker 1: like the scat pack in Atlanta. I'm a super motorcycle.
[38:13] Speaker 1: This is the same machine that made the fuel that
[38:15] Speaker 1: I just put into the Rose Royce.
[38:16] Speaker 2: Uh.
[38:16] Speaker 1: This this last weekend but this machine out there, it
[38:22] Speaker 1: was a four hour drive to and from So for
[38:24] Speaker 1: almost a year and a half of my life, I
[38:26] Speaker 1: committed myself to driving a four hours out there just
[38:29] Speaker 1: to get started working and then drive four hours back.
[38:32] Speaker 1: So I didn't live out in Alabama. And this isn't
[38:34] Speaker 1: a super isolated piece of country property that's so isolated
[38:38] Speaker 1: that you you you're you might hear a plane go
[38:41] Speaker 1: by every here and here and there, like you might like,
[38:44] Speaker 1: this is isolated. There's only cows and hayfields and mosquitoes around.
[38:48] Speaker 1: That's it. And and then so then that's that's being
[38:52] Speaker 1: in such an isolated place like that. That's why this
[38:55] Speaker 1: was a really weird situation where and I believe it
[38:59] Speaker 1: was May of last year, I had that machine out there,
[39:02] Speaker 1: and then I started to implement solar panels into it
[39:04] Speaker 1: because I told you guys before, like a huge advantage
[39:07] Speaker 1: of microwaves is you can operate it off of any
[39:09] Speaker 1: type of electricity. And I had this theory where I'm like, Okay,
[39:12] Speaker 1: if we operate this off of solar panels and the
[39:15] Speaker 1: energy comes from the sun well outside of labor, I'm
[39:21] Speaker 1: able to make fuel for free. Then you know, I'm
[39:23] Speaker 1: not charging myself for labor, so it's a zero cost
[39:27] Speaker 1: to operate. Electricity was the only cost. So then I
[39:32] Speaker 1: got I did a fundraiser. I raised about thirty thousand
[39:35] Speaker 1: dollars to get solar panels and all the things I needed,
[39:38] Speaker 1: and then I put it all together and at that point,
[39:41] Speaker 1: you got it.
[39:41] Speaker 2: Did you get the thirty thousand quickly?
[39:43] Speaker 1: Yeah? I did? You know why because you know what
[39:45] Speaker 1: I did. I did shows where I was operating different vehicles.
[39:50] Speaker 1: So one of the biggest shows I did, I was
[39:51] Speaker 1: in Chicago and I ran two identical trucks. Ran We
[39:56] Speaker 1: ran run truck off of diesel from the pumper, run
[39:57] Speaker 1: truck off of my diesel, and we compared the smell,
[40:00] Speaker 1: the exhaust, the smoke level, and then we realized my
[40:05] Speaker 1: fuel literally had less smoke, the exhaust smelt cleaner. And
[40:08] Speaker 1: then a few months later I actually sent my Deezel
[40:10] Speaker 1: to a lab to ASAP Labs in Washington, Vancouver, Washington,
[40:14] Speaker 1: and they confirmed it with the test. Their lab tests
[40:17] Speaker 1: showed my diesel makes more power than the user from
[40:19] Speaker 1: the pump, makes less smoke, it burns cleaner than user
[40:23] Speaker 1: from the pump. I have the pepper a SAP Labs
[40:26] Speaker 1: set them and then we're like, oh wow, this is crazy.
[40:28] Speaker 1: So between those two things, those two exciting moments, people
[40:31] Speaker 1: are like, oh, yes, we're supporting this. So I had
[40:33] Speaker 1: to gofund me. Like I said, I'm still an LSA
[40:36] Speaker 1: at this point, not even a nonprofit. Thirty thousand dollars raised,
[40:38] Speaker 1: got all the money I needed. I also had a
[40:41] Speaker 1: guy in Chicago donate solar panels, so while I was
[40:44] Speaker 1: up there doing my show, I also grabbed like a
[40:45] Speaker 1: whole bunch of solar panels from him. But anyway, at
[40:47] Speaker 1: that point I put the solar panels on the machine.
[40:50] Speaker 1: Now this is where I became an inventor, because at
[40:52] Speaker 1: that point in the world, there was not a single
[40:56] Speaker 1: like I said, there were some microad powalysis reactors, a
[40:58] Speaker 1: few here and there, there were some traditional paralysis reactors,
[41:01] Speaker 1: but nobody had made a solar microwave paralysis reactor anywhere,
[41:08] Speaker 1: no university, no million dollar funded startup. This was the first,
[41:13] Speaker 1: and so I built it. But then the same month
[41:16] Speaker 1: when implemented those solar panels, something weird happened out on
[41:19] Speaker 1: this super is of that piece of property, where, like
[41:22] Speaker 1: I said, you're lucky if you even hear a plane
[41:24] Speaker 1: go by. I was out there one night. It was
[41:25] Speaker 1: about ten o'clock at night, long day of work because
[41:28] Speaker 1: I'll be sleeping inside of my minivan some nights, legit.
[41:31] Speaker 1: And then I felt these really deep vibrations do my
[41:34] Speaker 1: whole body shaking, my whole car. I'm like, what is that?
[41:37] Speaker 1: It was a helicopter flying over. And then I'm like,
[41:40] Speaker 1: what that's weird. Like I've been out here for a
[41:42] Speaker 1: year working on this thing. There's never been a helicopter.
[41:44] Speaker 1: Like there's there's rotor literally propeller airplanes that fly here
[41:48] Speaker 1: and there, you know, grand airplanes for farmers, but never
[41:51] Speaker 1: a helicopter. So I'm like, that's weird. I got out
[41:54] Speaker 1: of my car, looked and there was this It's just
[41:56] Speaker 1: this black, blacked out helicopter flying at the tree, super low,
[42:02] Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, it has a spotlight on it too.
[42:03] Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I guess it's just flying by whatever. Okay,
[42:07] Speaker 1: boom flew over. It circled back around me again, like okay,
[42:12] Speaker 1: that's weird, but I'm not gonna freak out. Then it
[42:14] Speaker 1: did it again. I'm like, oh, hell no, I got
[42:16] Speaker 1: my phone out, I have it. We got the video.
[42:19] Speaker 1: I recorded that helicopter because it circled me six times
[42:23] Speaker 1: and the spotlight was literally shined directly into the windshield
[42:25] Speaker 1: of my vand I was getting ready to just drive
[42:28] Speaker 1: off that night because I'm like, what is going on?
[42:30] Speaker 1: And then it then it flew off. But like I said,
[42:32] Speaker 1: at that point, I got it on camera. I was
[42:34] Speaker 1: posting stories about it on Instagram, because at this point,
[42:37] Speaker 1: I think I had like a million followers on Instagram,
[42:39] Speaker 1: two million on TikTok, a few half one hundred thousand
[42:42] Speaker 1: on YouTube or whatever or half a million, and I'm
[42:45] Speaker 1: posting about this and everybody's like, yoh man, that's that's
[42:49] Speaker 1: some that's some agency or something. And I'm like, I
[42:51] Speaker 1: don't know who that was, yeah, And I'm like, I
[42:54] Speaker 1: think I guess they think I'm just making like whiskey
[42:56] Speaker 1: out here or something, doing something illegal whatever that, and
[42:58] Speaker 1: I'm playing, you know, trying to be as optimistic as possible.
[43:01] Speaker 1: But then the month after that, now we're in June
[43:04] Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five. Now, the month after that, all
[43:07] Speaker 1: of a sudden, one dad wake up and then my
[43:11] Speaker 1: phone is completely hacked. Like I had an iPhone at
[43:13] Speaker 1: this time, and it was completely hacked, like a hacked
[43:15] Speaker 1: to the degree where somebody was able to hear tap
[43:19] Speaker 1: into the mic of the phone, tapp into the camera
[43:21] Speaker 1: of the phone, had access to every picture anything I
[43:24] Speaker 1: did on the phone. You know that because I would literally,
[43:28] Speaker 1: I'll literally be talking to like my family members about
[43:32] Speaker 1: what was going on, and they get text of what
[43:34] Speaker 1: I was saying. I'm like, what in the world is
[43:36] Speaker 1: going on? This is like something from a movie. And
[43:39] Speaker 1: then I knew they had access to my entire phone.
[43:41] Speaker 1: You know why, because I had a picture of my
[43:44] Speaker 1: phone on my phone with my driver's license I used
[43:46] Speaker 1: to like for applications or whatever, and that picture of
[43:50] Speaker 1: my driver's license that was only on my phone got
[43:53] Speaker 1: uploaded to my Instagram account. And then I'm like what.
[43:57] Speaker 1: And then I looked at my Instagram and then I'm like, Okay,
[44:00] Speaker 1: somebody hacked in obviously. But then I looked in the logins.
[44:03] Speaker 1: There were no logins. It said you posted that to
[44:07] Speaker 1: your Instagram account, So no, I did it, And I'm like, oh,
[44:12] Speaker 1: I kind of get it. Now, there's some type of
[44:14] Speaker 1: mailware or bug on my phone to where somebody literally
[44:17] Speaker 1: is essentially in my phone, and I've realized that on
[44:21] Speaker 1: Apple phones there's this thing called Advanced Data Protection that
[44:24] Speaker 1: by default is turned off, and if you have that
[44:27] Speaker 1: thing turned off, they allow somebody to essentially from a
[44:30] Speaker 1: computer access your phone. And this is a thing for
[44:33] Speaker 1: especially iPhones because Apple can do it. If you have
[44:36] Speaker 1: been on the phone with Apple support, they can literally
[44:38] Speaker 1: control your phone remotely. So some hackers breached that system
[44:42] Speaker 1: and they had complete access to my phone, and then
[44:44] Speaker 1: anybody around me, like my family, had iPhones that were
[44:47] Speaker 1: getting breached to air tags were going off out like
[44:50] Speaker 1: out of nowhere. It was crazy stuff. And then they
[44:53] Speaker 1: were continuing to post my driver's license, my family information,
[44:56] Speaker 1: personal information all over my social media's and I'm like,
[45:00] Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. And I met a
[45:01] Speaker 1: video online. I say, guys, there is weird stuff going on.
[45:05] Speaker 1: I have no idea who this is, what was doing this,
[45:07] Speaker 1: but I got to figure this out. So keep your
[45:09] Speaker 1: eyes open if you if you see weird things, know
[45:12] Speaker 1: that I'm under attack. I made that video. That was it.
[45:16] Speaker 1: I stopped posting for over almost two months because I'm
[45:19] Speaker 1: trying to fight all this figure out what's going on.
[45:20] Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out like is this a physical threat,
[45:23] Speaker 1: Like is my left or risk? Is my family's left
[45:25] Speaker 1: at risk? They know where I'm at, they know my address,
[45:27] Speaker 1: they know all this stuff. They're posting stuff online about
[45:29] Speaker 1: me on my social media. And then at that point,
[45:32] Speaker 1: that's when everybody said he went missing. No, that was okay, yep.
[45:36] Speaker 1: And I never told people I was missing or kidnapp
[45:38] Speaker 1: or anything. I told people just keep your eyes open.
[45:39] Speaker 1: The weird stuff is going on. But then when you
[45:42] Speaker 1: combine that me making that video with them posting my
[45:45] Speaker 1: driver's license, it did look like a kidnapping situation. I'll
[45:47] Speaker 1: keep it real. It really did. Yeah, it really did
[45:50] Speaker 1: look like that. Because then I'm talking to Meta because
[45:53] Speaker 1: I'm like, Meta, somebody is logging into my account because
[45:56] Speaker 1: Meta is telling me at this point, they're like, if
[45:58] Speaker 1: you post your license again, we're banning your account permanently.
[46:00] Speaker 1: That's against our policies. I'm like, Meta, that's not me.
[46:04] Speaker 1: And Meta said, okay, we're gonna lock your Instagram account.
[46:06] Speaker 1: You can't log in and nobody can. And then and
[46:08] Speaker 1: they said we're gonna do an investigation while it's locked down.
[46:10] Speaker 1: So at this point, for over a month of them
[46:13] Speaker 1: doing their their investigation, I literally couldn't update people because
[46:17] Speaker 1: they locked my account. And then at that point, I'm like,
[46:21] Speaker 1: I'm not touching any of my social media's because I'm
[46:23] Speaker 1: not letting whoever this is have any any plays on me.
[46:27] Speaker 1: Right Like, there was there were so many weird things.
[46:29] Speaker 1: If I'll tell you guys how weird it got. It
[46:31] Speaker 1: got to the point where I had my iPhone. I
[46:34] Speaker 1: turned on the I turned it on airplane mode because
[46:36] Speaker 1: I'm like, this iPhone is tapped to all hell. Turned
[46:39] Speaker 1: it on airplane mode, turned it all the way off.
[46:41] Speaker 1: They would inside up a Faraday bag, then put that
[46:44] Speaker 1: inside of a metal animal container. Okay. Came back the
[46:46] Speaker 1: next day, turned it on airplane mode was off, Like
[46:51] Speaker 1: what how is that even physically possible? All my air
[46:55] Speaker 1: tags would randomly going off. I used to all these
[46:57] Speaker 1: air tags, and all my air tags will beeping, like
[46:59] Speaker 1: you know, like if somebody, if you tell it to
[47:00] Speaker 1: go ring like you want to find it, all mine
[47:02] Speaker 1: will be beeping. I kicked the batteries out, put the
[47:06] Speaker 1: batteries back in, put them inside of Faraday bags. They'd
[47:09] Speaker 1: still be beeping. So somebody just had complete control over
[47:13] Speaker 1: my entire thing, bring cameras. And then I turned out
[47:16] Speaker 1: my computer had malware on it because I was talking
[47:19] Speaker 1: to a tech support guy one day on what's that
[47:22] Speaker 1: messenger on my computer? Because they were hacking all my stuff,
[47:25] Speaker 1: my Facebook, all this, and all of a sudden, he
[47:27] Speaker 1: got a message sent to him and they were like,
[47:30] Speaker 1: we know you're talking, we know you're helping Julie, and
[47:32] Speaker 1: stop helping him. He got a text and this was
[47:35] Speaker 1: from my computer, and we're like, dang yo, they got
[47:37] Speaker 1: everything compromise. So then at that point I got rid
[47:40] Speaker 1: of all my phones. I had to wipe all my computers,
[47:44] Speaker 1: and then all this was happening. And then at the
[47:48] Speaker 1: same time, everybody online was talking about he's missing, He's kidnapped,
[47:51] Speaker 1: you know, everybody was saying all these things. And then
[47:55] Speaker 1: I finally got everything situated about a month later, and
[47:59] Speaker 1: I came back and met it, met the video where
[48:00] Speaker 1: I'm like it was hackers, guys, they got into my stuff.
[48:05] Speaker 1: And then on top of that, like I forgot to mention,
[48:07] Speaker 1: on top of all this, just a month before the hat,
[48:10] Speaker 1: I had that helicopter fly over. So people put all
[48:12] Speaker 1: that together and they're like, oh, they got this guy,
[48:14] Speaker 1: he's done.
[48:14] Speaker 2: It's crazy after that Videosments, yeah, yeah.
[48:18] Speaker 1: Exactly because yep, because Investments was on August. So yeah,
[48:21] Speaker 1: then I showed up to invest Fest and then uh yeah.
[48:25] Speaker 1: And then and then everybody was like surprised to see
[48:27] Speaker 1: me because everybody was like he was missing. So then
[48:29] Speaker 1: it was crazy because when I was there, I was
[48:32] Speaker 1: just going because I'm like, I just want to see
[48:33] Speaker 1: what's up. Like I didn't go and I was like,
[48:35] Speaker 1: I don't know security or anything. I just showed up
[48:37] Speaker 1: as myself nothing, and anywhere everywhere I went, I was swarmed,
[48:41] Speaker 1: Like I couldn't walk anywhere, even when there were some
[48:44] Speaker 1: moments you know that where the stages it's like darkened there,
[48:47] Speaker 1: you know, and I'm dark skin. So I'm like I
[48:48] Speaker 1: got an advantage. I could do a little sneak effects.
[48:50] Speaker 1: Let me let me go step in the corner of
[48:52] Speaker 1: this dark room and I could finally just be no
[48:55] Speaker 1: people would find me. And then before I knew it,
[48:57] Speaker 1: I'd be swarmed. Everybody would be to interview me and
[49:01] Speaker 1: then take pictures with me, and I'm like, oh my goodness,
[49:03] Speaker 1: this is crazy. And then and then I ran into
[49:06] Speaker 1: you guys. And then at that point. That's why I'm like, yes,
[49:08] Speaker 1: please let me in the video here room in pat sofa,
[49:10] Speaker 1: it's been a rough day. You're like, oh my goodness.
[49:13] Speaker 1: Anywhere I go, I tell you in the bathroom. It
[49:16] Speaker 1: didn't matter, But I did show that. What that showed me, though,
[49:20] Speaker 1: was that my theory of doing this approach of sharing
[49:23] Speaker 1: it online works because even though that that wasn't a
[49:27] Speaker 1: situation where I know I wasn't kidnapped, but I was
[49:30] Speaker 1: under attack, people were not silent. The news didn't want
[49:33] Speaker 1: to pick up on it, but people that made it
[49:35] Speaker 1: the news. Everywhere I was in South Africa, publications, France, Germany, Mexico,
[49:43] Speaker 1: United States, like daily Mail, everywhere, there were blog posts,
[49:48] Speaker 1: worlds that everybody was posting about because people, the people
[49:51] Speaker 1: did not let it be silent. Nobody let that Like
[49:54] Speaker 1: every social media they were not every social media creator,
[49:57] Speaker 1: but tons of huge social media creators talking about it.
[50:00] Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving was talking about I mean like it was crazy,
[50:03] Speaker 1: And that goes to show me that, like, yes, this
[50:05] Speaker 1: approach of sharing this with everybody and making it the
[50:08] Speaker 1: world's journey is advantageous because nobody would ever let this
[50:11] Speaker 1: be like other past inventors where it could just be
[50:14] Speaker 1: snuffed out easy. It's gonna be a fight to snuff
[50:17] Speaker 1: this out because nobody's gonna just let it lay low
[50:20] Speaker 1: when something happens. Because here's a crazy thing. I don't
[50:22] Speaker 1: know who it was the hacked into my stuff, but
[50:24] Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. They had access to my page, okay,
[50:28] Speaker 1: and since all this was happening, my page shut up.
[50:31] Speaker 1: Like I was at a million followers when I started,
[50:33] Speaker 1: and at the end of the hack, I was out
[50:34] Speaker 1: like two point five million because of all the publicity.
[50:36] Speaker 1: But anyway, they had access to my cumongous page that
[50:39] Speaker 1: had more views than ever, and they didn't use that
[50:42] Speaker 1: opportunity to go in there and like post us some
[50:44] Speaker 1: type of like crypto scam to make money or post
[50:46] Speaker 1: about themselves for publicity. Their only motive was to break
[50:50] Speaker 1: my spirit. Their only motive was to post personal things
[50:54] Speaker 1: about me, things about my address and my family to
[50:57] Speaker 1: try to discourage me. And that going to show me
[50:59] Speaker 1: was whoever this was that had these crazy means to
[51:02] Speaker 1: happen to me like this. They're intimidated just by the
[51:05] Speaker 1: fact of what I'm doing. And then there's all type
[51:09] Speaker 1: of theories you can go down. They gotta go down
[51:11] Speaker 1: that hole.
[51:11] Speaker 4: You're who you think could be intimidated, and you could
[51:14] Speaker 4: just you could just go down and wrap a hole yourself.
[51:16] Speaker 1: But my thing is this, Okay, when that, when you
[51:19] Speaker 1: got that, it just stopped and never like, oh no, no,
[51:23] Speaker 1: it's still going on to this day, you know. But
[51:26] Speaker 1: what it is is I've changed my approach. I understand
[51:29] Speaker 1: that anything I do on any device is not is
[51:31] Speaker 1: not private. And I also I have so many different
[51:34] Speaker 1: cybersecurity means, like like for example, I have I have
[51:40] Speaker 1: super complex passwords for every individual log in, and then
[51:43] Speaker 1: I have a physical authentication security key for every log in,
[51:48] Speaker 1: and then I have anybody that works in my organization
[51:51] Speaker 1: has to go through cybersecurity training. And then I have
[51:53] Speaker 1: a cybersecurity team that's super you know, air type because
[51:56] Speaker 1: like they this is a cybersecurity team that has clients
[51:59] Speaker 1: all around the world companies, and they were like, we
[52:02] Speaker 1: never seen an attack like this before, and they said,
[52:04] Speaker 1: this is a nation state level attack, meaning this was
[52:07] Speaker 1: a funded organization funded by some nations governments to do this.
[52:11] Speaker 1: Because that was a team and that was an expensive
[52:13] Speaker 1: attack and for them to do such an expensive attack,
[52:16] Speaker 1: and I ask for money means that they were funded
[52:18] Speaker 1: to do that. Also, like I said, we can go
[52:20] Speaker 1: down the rabbit holes on who it was all day.
[52:24] Speaker 2: I would you say that. I mean, obviously the time
[52:27] Speaker 2: that we're living in.
[52:28] Speaker 5: You could see with the conference that's going on throughout
[52:30] Speaker 5: the world, oil is obviously at.
[52:32] Speaker 2: The forefront of a lot of it.
[52:34] Speaker 5: Do you see your technology as an alternative more so
[52:37] Speaker 5: than a replacement? And long term vision of the technology,
[52:43] Speaker 5: how does it keep advancing?
[52:44] Speaker 1: I see my technology as an integration integration guy. And
[52:47] Speaker 1: here's the thing. The fuel is amazing, and that's what
[52:51] Speaker 1: gets people's attention. But the goal and the point was
[52:54] Speaker 1: actually to get rid of plastic, and we just happened
[52:56] Speaker 1: to turn it into fuel. As a society and as
[52:59] Speaker 1: a species, if we don't get rid of our plastic,
[53:01] Speaker 1: we're not going to be a species soon because microplastics
[53:05] Speaker 1: are already like po to five percent of our brain
[53:07] Speaker 1: has already made a microplastic because we consuming so much
[53:10] Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, because it's in the landfills and in
[53:12] Speaker 1: the oceans, and it breaks down into these small particles
[53:14] Speaker 1: in those areas. It gets into the food, it gets
[53:16] Speaker 1: into the water, it gets into the air. We consume it,
[53:18] Speaker 1: we have to get rid of it, and so this
[53:21] Speaker 1: is a necessary thing with or without the fuel side.
[53:24] Speaker 1: The fuel side is amazing, and that's an even better
[53:26] Speaker 1: side for integration and amazing an amazing byproduct. But I
[53:30] Speaker 1: don't care if this process was turned the plastic into dirt,
[53:33] Speaker 1: because as far as I know, you could have all
[53:35] Speaker 1: the bolts you walk going out to the ocean they
[53:36] Speaker 1: collect the plastic. But if you're bringing it back to
[53:38] Speaker 1: shore just to throw it in the landfill, that's not
[53:40] Speaker 1: a solution to me, because I know when it goes
[53:42] Speaker 1: from plastic is in the landfill, it still is breaking
[53:45] Speaker 1: down into microplastics that then get into the landfill, lead, chap,
[53:48] Speaker 1: rain water that ends up in our water supply. It's
[53:50] Speaker 1: still breaking down under photodegradation into methane and ethylene, which
[53:54] Speaker 1: are twenty five times and forty times worse than coeal two,
[53:56] Speaker 1: which is if people want to talk about global warming
[53:58] Speaker 1: of making fuel, that's way worse global warming from that
[54:02] Speaker 1: than any CO two that comes from burning plastic. Lane Right,
[54:06] Speaker 1: So the fuel is amazing, But to integrate this into
[54:09] Speaker 1: the world, I see it as we need to get
[54:11] Speaker 1: it to the point where it's valuable to recycle plastic.
[54:15] Speaker 1: We need to get to the point where, like black
[54:17] Speaker 1: used to get paid for bringing in like you know,
[54:19] Speaker 1: metal cans, you could get paid to bring in plastic
[54:22] Speaker 1: because now we're making it into such a valuable product.
[54:24] Speaker 1: I'm not here to replace anybody. I'm not here to
[54:27] Speaker 1: replace any plastic manufacturers. I am not here to replace
[54:31] Speaker 1: any fuel people. I'm just here to give a solution
[54:36] Speaker 1: to two sides of the spectrum, to give a solution
[54:38] Speaker 1: for getting rid of waste. Waste management and then energy independence.
[54:42] Speaker 1: Now as it stands, unfortunately, those are two industries that
[54:47] Speaker 1: don't want to be tapped into in any way. Waste
[54:50] Speaker 1: management and recycling. Like I said, they operate very shady
[54:53] Speaker 1: because they're making billions telling a lie. Why would anybody
[54:58] Speaker 1: ever pay for their recycling again when they know it's
[55:01] Speaker 1: not actually being recycled when they know that I actually
[55:03] Speaker 1: am recycling, right, I don't want to step on their toes.
[55:07] Speaker 1: I want to integrate, and I always look for ways
[55:09] Speaker 1: to integrate where it's like, okay, maybe waste management, you
[55:12] Speaker 1: have your recycling program. How about you is give the
[55:14] Speaker 1: plastic to me, right, I'm not here trying to replace you,
[55:17] Speaker 1: because frankly, that's not how you live for long. You know,
[55:20] Speaker 1: You're not gonna come along and replace industries that have
[55:22] Speaker 1: been around for centuries. That's just not happening. Same thing
[55:26] Speaker 1: with the fuel industry. I'm like, okay, my perspective business.
[55:29] Speaker 1: Everybody's like, why don't you make your own gas station?
[55:31] Speaker 1: I'm like, because I don't want to die. I'm like,
[55:35] Speaker 1: how about how about we do this guys. How about
[55:38] Speaker 1: I go to gas stations to say, hey, how about
[55:40] Speaker 1: you guys can add my stuff has a fuel additive.
[55:42] Speaker 1: How about I get the proof to show that my
[55:44] Speaker 1: fuel actually burns better and cleaner and it's better for
[55:46] Speaker 1: engines than feel from the pump, and now you can go.
[55:49] Speaker 1: You know, some pumps have those little things where you
[55:51] Speaker 1: can add the detergent for extra like I don't know,
[55:53] Speaker 1: a few cents of gallon. Now you could add plasterline
[55:56] Speaker 1: for a few sense of gallon and this has proven
[55:57] Speaker 1: to like give you better fuel economy or whatever.
[56:00] Speaker 2: Is the key.
[56:02] Speaker 1: Collaboration is the key. But also I set myself up
[56:05] Speaker 1: just strategically to where it really doesn't matter because I
[56:09] Speaker 1: very intentionally you not have my technology patented? Why because
[56:16] Speaker 1: the patent industry is actually very corrupt. I learned this
[56:19] Speaker 1: because I at one point was patent pending. And then
[56:22] Speaker 1: one day I went to a rotary club meeting and
[56:24] Speaker 1: I spoke with the inventor of the wireless keyfop for cars,
[56:29] Speaker 1: and he told me GM stole my stuff. And I said, well,
[56:34] Speaker 1: you have a patent, inn't you. And it's like, yeah,
[56:35] Speaker 1: I have like seventy patents and I've been to every
[56:38] Speaker 1: country on the on Earth almost. I'm like, so, how
[56:41] Speaker 1: they see your stuff with the patent? He's like, because
[56:42] Speaker 1: a patent doesn't mean anything to big players. All the
[56:45] Speaker 1: patent is is a means for you to go to
[56:49] Speaker 1: court and say, hey, they infringed on my patent. But
[56:52] Speaker 1: when you're in court, that's a whole different story. Now
[56:54] Speaker 1: you're in court, and now you have to prove to
[56:56] Speaker 1: the judge that they've infringed on your patent. Now you
[56:58] Speaker 1: need to fight their lawyers. Okay, you're an invintor who
[57:01] Speaker 1: came up with something, and you're fighting this big industry
[57:05] Speaker 1: that has billions of dollars and they can just go
[57:08] Speaker 1: to court over and over and over again and take
[57:10] Speaker 1: you and fight you and fight you and fight you
[57:12] Speaker 1: until you have no money left. So even though you
[57:15] Speaker 1: know they saw your thing, you can't prove it anymore
[57:17] Speaker 1: because all they have to do is keep rebutting it
[57:19] Speaker 1: in court over and over again. They have the funds
[57:22] Speaker 1: to do that. You don't because you're not GM, You're
[57:24] Speaker 1: not whoever you know. And so he told me, he
[57:27] Speaker 1: was like, the truth is if you want something to
[57:30] Speaker 1: be yours, because when you padd it something, it becomes
[57:33] Speaker 1: public knowledge. It gets published on the padent directory. I
[57:36] Speaker 1: know that because I literally looked up patents for paralysis
[57:39] Speaker 1: reactors to get inspersion to build mine. So that means
[57:42] Speaker 1: anybody on earth can look up your patent and see
[57:44] Speaker 1: how it was built, how it was made, and then
[57:45] Speaker 1: make a copy. You make a few changes and then
[57:47] Speaker 1: say it was theirs, and then you can go and
[57:49] Speaker 1: fight them. But that takes time, that takes money, and
[57:52] Speaker 1: then at some point you can't do it anymore. You're
[57:55] Speaker 1: trying to invent, You're not trying to be a you
[57:57] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, you're an inventor, not a lawyer,
[57:59] Speaker 1: not trying to fight people in court for the rest
[58:01] Speaker 1: of your life. So he told me that, and he's like,
[58:04] Speaker 1: the key is really trade secrets. Think about it. He
[58:07] Speaker 1: was like, Coca Cola did not patent the Coca Cola formula.
[58:11] Speaker 1: Why because if they patented the formula, they would everybody
[58:14] Speaker 1: would know it. Even though nobody can copy it, everybody
[58:18] Speaker 1: would know it. And you best believe they copy it
[58:19] Speaker 1: because guess what in China, there's no patent law. It
[58:22] Speaker 1: just goes to That's why they have Chinese knock castle everything.
[58:25] Speaker 1: They have no patent enforcement in China and so many
[58:28] Speaker 1: other countries. So then he was like, and guess what
[58:30] Speaker 1: you had to do. You have to go and get
[58:31] Speaker 1: a patent in every country on Earth. You know how
[58:33] Speaker 1: much that cost? So much money, and then you had
[58:35] Speaker 1: to renew it. And so you paid all this money
[58:39] Speaker 1: that could have gone into your actual invention to get
[58:41] Speaker 1: the patent, which means nothing because they're just go and
[58:43] Speaker 1: take it and copy it. Then you have to spend
[58:45] Speaker 1: money finding them in court. And then I heard the
[58:48] Speaker 1: story from inventor after inventure after inventor, and they both
[58:50] Speaker 1: said they always said to me, trade secrets are the key.
[58:53] Speaker 1: Of course, trade secrets you just don't tell anybody. Trade
[58:56] Speaker 1: secrets are things that you have that you that nobody knows.
[58:59] Speaker 1: And I have a few trade secrets on my machine
[59:01] Speaker 1: that nobody knows that you can look at my machine
[59:04] Speaker 1: on a video camera and not know these certain particular
[59:06] Speaker 1: materials exactly. But I have another play. So there's this
[59:13] Speaker 1: thing called public domain. Once you have something published online
[59:16] Speaker 1: for over a year, nobody can patent it. All my
[59:20] Speaker 1: machines are public domain. Nobody can patent any of my
[59:23] Speaker 1: machines because they've all been visible in the public for
[59:26] Speaker 1: over a year.
[59:27] Speaker 2: And that's because you're putting them on social media exactly.
[59:31] Speaker 1: So that now that saves things, because now there's no
[59:33] Speaker 1: way a company can come and just shelf it patented.
[59:35] Speaker 1: What I may copy it and shelf it hell and
[59:37] Speaker 1: hide it. But then here's another approach I'm doing. I'm like,
[59:41] Speaker 1: I do have trade secrets that I have. Yes, the
[59:45] Speaker 1: truth is, people, you will always have coffeecats. That's is
[59:50] Speaker 1: what it is. That's just how the world works. That's
[59:51] Speaker 1: just how the market works. The key is being first
[59:54] Speaker 1: to market. Right now, I'm constructing my next machine, Mark five,
[59:59] Speaker 1: which will be the world's first solar mobile microwaparalysis reactor.
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: It's clearly going to be on a trailer and I'll
[1:00:07] Speaker 1: literally be able to drive to like anywhere, pull up
[1:00:12] Speaker 1: process plastic on site, go to the next stop. Here's
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: the thing that machine is that's gonna be the one
[1:00:18] Speaker 1: that's going to go to market eventually, because I'll be
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: able to sell these mobile trailer machines that relate to governments,
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: to companies, to farmers whoever, to the individuals. Possibly. I
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: don't know what the regulations look like on that, but
[1:00:30] Speaker 1: possibly either way, being first to market and having trade
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: secrets is the key. And so here's what I'm actually
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: gonna do. Since I got to this point and I
[1:00:40] Speaker 1: understand how to make a mobile machine like this after
[1:00:43] Speaker 1: all my five years of travel and error, I actually
[1:00:46] Speaker 1: am going to be writing a book with the blueprints
[1:00:49] Speaker 1: in it on how and I'll just be public, okay,
[1:00:54] Speaker 1: on how to do it? How to do it? Just
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: because Yeah, so.
[1:00:56] Speaker 2: Here's the game.
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the things we talk about, Oh, what
[1:01:01] Speaker 1: do you mean by that? What do you mean by that?
[1:01:02] Speaker 4: You're writing a book telling people how to do what
[1:01:04] Speaker 4: you did? Yeah, but you're not going to put everything
[1:01:06] Speaker 4: in it. You got the trade secrets.
[1:01:08] Speaker 1: I'm gonna when I read that book, I'm going to
[1:01:11] Speaker 1: tell people how to build a machine, and that means
[1:01:13] Speaker 1: everything the trade secrets included. That means everything that I'm
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: gonna tell them how to build the machine.
[1:01:17] Speaker 2: But you've already got the public domain.
[1:01:19] Speaker 1: So well, nobody can patent it. But you know, of
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: course it's a gamble because it's like, Okay, I put
[1:01:25] Speaker 1: this out, and nothing stops a company from taking all
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: my research and work and implementing it on their own
[1:01:30] Speaker 1: thing and doing it. But you know what I realized.
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: I realized if I put this out and a company
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: or individuals or people in the world go and take
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: my work and you know, steal it and go and
[1:01:43] Speaker 1: make copies and then go out and get it in
[1:01:45] Speaker 1: the world, I realized at some point I'm like, that's
[1:01:47] Speaker 1: actually what I want, because that's actually solving the problem.
[1:01:51] Speaker 1: Like what I want is to get rid of plastic. Yeah,
[1:01:53] Speaker 1: there's no way one company on earth can do it.
[1:01:55] Speaker 4: With open source. It's bigger than you making money. You
[1:01:58] Speaker 4: really want it, you really want to just solve a
[1:01:59] Speaker 4: problem in the world.
[1:02:01] Speaker 1: This is of course, yeah, this is a selfless Now
[1:02:04] Speaker 1: of course we had you know, I'm gonna make it
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: make sense for me, And that's why I'm putting it
[1:02:08] Speaker 1: in my book because now if you now but at
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: the same time, one person you're buying a book and
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: just upload them online and anybody could see it. So
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: I mean like, at the end of the day, of course,
[1:02:18] Speaker 1: of course everybody wants to make money, but I'm like,
[1:02:22] Speaker 1: I there's a different means for me than that.
[1:02:26] Speaker 2: So it sounds like it's a win win, right the book.
[1:02:30] Speaker 5: If you can monetize that, you can make some money, obviously,
[1:02:33] Speaker 5: but if people still the idea, then they it solves
[1:02:36] Speaker 5: the issue that you were coming.
[1:02:39] Speaker 1: To be with you and then that is the ultimate
[1:02:42] Speaker 1: form of protection.
[1:02:43] Speaker 5: So here's here's the thing, because it made me think
[1:02:46] Speaker 5: of funding, especially for black businesses, the lack thereof, right
[1:02:53] Speaker 5: imagine in the world, And I don't know, do you
[1:02:56] Speaker 5: do you wrestle with that?
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: What would this look like if there was fun? Is
[1:03:00] Speaker 2: it infrastructure?
[1:03:01] Speaker 5: Is it factories that we can put this in or
[1:03:04] Speaker 5: are you looking at it like even with those odds
[1:03:06] Speaker 5: against me, right, because you're doing this, you're doing gofund
[1:03:09] Speaker 5: me and you're monetizing the content. The mobile model is
[1:03:12] Speaker 5: what I'm going to do in the book is becoming
[1:03:15] Speaker 5: the way that I can say, all right, even if
[1:03:16] Speaker 5: they don't do it, here's here's a way I can
[1:03:19] Speaker 5: get this out of the world.
[1:03:20] Speaker 1: Well, I see it as this. For example, this mobile
[1:03:23] Speaker 1: machine that's being built, I am raising fund so I
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: have a nonprofit now. I just started literally last month.
[1:03:32] Speaker 1: And so for example, that machine, this mobile machine is
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: being built and funded one hundred percent by sponsors. So
[1:03:39] Speaker 1: companies are paying to have their logo on the final
[1:03:42] Speaker 1: wrap of the bus. And so I started to realize
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: I have certain brand things now because guess what, anybody
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: can build a machine, but not everybody is nature Jab
[1:03:51] Speaker 1: building a machine. You know what I'm saying. It's like
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: any car can get you from what point A to
[1:03:56] Speaker 1: point B, but not every car is a Rolls Royce
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: doing that. You know, there's a different diference. And so
[1:04:02] Speaker 1: the brand is strong in the sense of, of course,
[1:04:05] Speaker 1: raising funds, but also the brand is strong in the
[1:04:08] Speaker 1: sense of when it comes to market, when it comes
[1:04:12] Speaker 1: to actually being on the market and selling these because yes,
[1:04:14] Speaker 1: anybody could just make these machines when the blueprints are
[1:04:16] Speaker 1: out there, but there's some companies and individuals who only
[1:04:20] Speaker 1: want a machine for me. They only want a machine
[1:04:23] Speaker 1: from the nature jab brand because that is like that
[1:04:27] Speaker 1: is like the top is the highest echelon, the highest call.
[1:04:29] Speaker 1: Everybody else is a copycat under that, right, Because here's
[1:04:32] Speaker 1: the thing. Of course, I'm gonna make the book and blueprints,
[1:04:34] Speaker 1: but that's still gonna be like relatively outdated. My mind
[1:04:38] Speaker 1: is always building the next machine while I'm on the
[1:04:41] Speaker 1: current machine I'm building, so like I'm on mark six
[1:04:43] Speaker 1: in my mind, the book is gonna have mark five
[1:04:46] Speaker 1: in it. So I'm already like coming up with new
[1:04:48] Speaker 1: trade secrets, new things on for the next machine. And
[1:04:51] Speaker 1: of course there's of course the experience. Like I said,
[1:04:54] Speaker 1: I got to a point where since I was the
[1:04:56] Speaker 1: only one building these type of machines, you can't look
[1:04:59] Speaker 1: up certain for these machines, Like when I have troubleshooting,
[1:05:03] Speaker 1: there is no googling it anymore. It's only me out
[1:05:06] Speaker 1: there traveling and solving it myself. And so with that
[1:05:11] Speaker 1: being said, I have certain knowledge in my mind. It
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: gives me an advantage over anybody because I'm the only
[1:05:16] Speaker 1: one who has been at this five years, blowing myself
[1:05:19] Speaker 1: up multiple times, you know, and so I always have
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: that advantage. But the truth is, like I said, like
[1:05:26] Speaker 1: if I'm really looking at it like almost like from
[1:05:28] Speaker 1: an ego disillusion perspective, it actually is beautiful if people
[1:05:33] Speaker 1: could actually design machines even better than me. Because here's
[1:05:35] Speaker 1: the thing. If I make this open source, now everybody's
[1:05:38] Speaker 1: improvements are open for everybody. And now now we're getting
[1:05:43] Speaker 1: to solving the problem faster. Now I have people all
[1:05:45] Speaker 1: over the world nowadays who are already trying to copy
[1:05:48] Speaker 1: my machines. Now and tell me. And I have people
[1:05:49] Speaker 1: are in Brazil and all this. I encourage them, say
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: be safe, don't blow yourself up, you know. But but yeah,
[1:05:54] Speaker 1: I encourage you because we need this everywhere, right. And
[1:05:59] Speaker 1: my goal is I'm going to take the same mobile
[1:06:02] Speaker 1: platform machine so nature jab LLC. That's for profit, that's
[1:06:06] Speaker 1: gonna sell the trailer machine see governments blah blah blah
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: individuals around the world. Jab Innovation is a nonprofit. It's
[1:06:12] Speaker 1: gonna take that same mobile system and implement it on
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: the boats and we'll go out into the ocean. And
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: then now we can process the ocean plastic directly in
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: the fuel and the boat can run off of that
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: fuel and just be out there forever. We'll have a
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: boat that's autonomous like with AI, just be out there
[1:06:26] Speaker 1: forever until all the plastic is gone, because it can
[1:06:29] Speaker 1: just run until all the plastic is gone.
[1:06:31] Speaker 2: What's the pricing life for a machine like that?
[1:06:33] Speaker 5: Because when you're saying it, it makes me think of
[1:06:34] Speaker 5: when you talked about AI. How a company like ASML
[1:06:37] Speaker 5: has created the EV machine and it's their machine, but
[1:06:41] Speaker 5: it's so expensive.
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: Because as it's a specialty. Obviously you're the creator of
[1:06:45] Speaker 2: this machine, which makes it a specialty. How are you
[1:06:48] Speaker 2: making a price?
[1:06:49] Speaker 1: They're not that expensive Like I'm doing this mobile machine.
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: It's going to come in at like one hundred thousand dollars,
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: you know, with the trailer and all that, you know,
[1:06:57] Speaker 1: and that means that could be sold for like two
[1:06:59] Speaker 1: hundred thousand uard a million, you know. And that was
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: that's a part of the purpose. The reason why is
[1:07:03] Speaker 1: because going back to what I was saying, some of
[1:07:05] Speaker 1: the nations that need this technology the most cannot afford it.
[1:07:10] Speaker 1: Quarter million dollars that's enough to fund raise. Let's get
[1:07:13] Speaker 1: this machine in Senegal. Let's get this machine and gone,
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: Let's get the machine into making Republic Haiti. Let's get
[1:07:17] Speaker 1: this machine in countries that need it the most, but
[1:07:20] Speaker 1: can't afford it. We could do that. That's an easy crowdfund.
[1:07:23] Speaker 1: That's way easier than crowdfunding two hundred fifty million dollars
[1:07:26] Speaker 1: decentralized approaches. The way I said in the beginning, I
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: didn't invent paralysis. There have already been companies that built
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: big machines that run off of traditional paralysis reactors around
[1:07:36] Speaker 1: the world. I played Debol's advocate because I'm like, well,
[1:07:39] Speaker 1: they're clearly not doing their job properly, because we got
[1:07:41] Speaker 1: plastic everywhere, simple simple equation. And in playing Debo's advocate,
[1:07:45] Speaker 1: I realized the big issue was that they were making
[1:07:47] Speaker 1: these huge, centralized plants that nobody can afford that if
[1:07:51] Speaker 1: they have any issues. A small issue is a huge
[1:07:54] Speaker 1: issue on a machine that size, you know, a machine
[1:07:57] Speaker 1: the size of a few acres, small issue can put
[1:08:01] Speaker 1: that thing, can cost millions of dollars and put it
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: out of commission for months. But and I proved that
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: you can build these small machines like this that actually
[1:08:10] Speaker 1: process a good amount of plastic on a daily basis
[1:08:12] Speaker 1: and can make can make on a small scale fuel
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: of quality like I don't. I have not seen anybody
[1:08:24] Speaker 1: else that has built a mobile and self sufficient essentially
[1:08:30] Speaker 1: oil refinery. And I've proven that can be done. And
[1:08:35] Speaker 1: now that I that I've proven that can be done,
[1:08:36] Speaker 1: I believe that's the way to do it. I believe
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: let's have However, many hundreds of trailer machines are needed
[1:08:43] Speaker 1: per city, and it'll be just like waste management. Go
[1:08:47] Speaker 1: to a restaurant, they have their plastic out, pull up, boom,
[1:08:50] Speaker 1: process it, going to the next stop. Do that everywhere. Islands,
[1:08:54] Speaker 1: especially Hawaii, they need this. They don't have a landfill space.
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: It cost them so much to ship plastic off of
[1:09:01] Speaker 1: the island. It makes more sense for them to just
[1:09:02] Speaker 1: pay for a machine that can process it right there
[1:09:05] Speaker 1: and make fuel. There you have it. There, you have it.
[1:09:12] Speaker 4: Man, that was extremely insightful conversation. What do you need
[1:09:16] Speaker 4: to make this happen at scale?
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: Like? I know you you know obviously you're raising money
[1:09:21] Speaker 1: or you have the donations.
[1:09:22] Speaker 4: Like in the perfect world, right if I could just
[1:09:25] Speaker 4: snap a finger today and like what would be your wishless? Okay,
[1:09:28] Speaker 4: I need this amount of money, I need this amount
[1:09:30] Speaker 4: of land, I need this amount of workers. What do
[1:09:33] Speaker 4: you need to get this running at scale?
[1:09:35] Speaker 1: I would say, I would say I need probably about
[1:09:38] Speaker 1: ten million dollars at this rate to fulfill the rest
[1:09:42] Speaker 1: of the vision, because for ten million dollars, I can
[1:09:44] Speaker 1: afford the property that'll be necessary, and then any type
[1:09:47] Speaker 1: of manufacturing things to get to the point, because I
[1:09:50] Speaker 1: ultimately want to be a manufacturer of these trailer machines.
[1:09:54] Speaker 1: And you know the truth is, up to this entire
[1:09:58] Speaker 1: point in my journey, I have been independent in this.
[1:10:01] Speaker 1: I don't have any any business partners or equity partners
[1:10:06] Speaker 1: because that allows me to do things like my book
[1:10:08] Speaker 1: out or not patented, because you know, like, for example,
[1:10:11] Speaker 1: an investor, the first thing they want is the security
[1:10:13] Speaker 1: of knowing like we're gonna get a return, So they're like,
[1:10:15] Speaker 1: you got to patent it, You're not. You're definitely not
[1:10:17] Speaker 1: gonna put out a book with blueprints now, and so
[1:10:19] Speaker 1: we get our money first. But I always decide, I
[1:10:21] Speaker 1: always was like, well, I'm trying to actually make a
[1:10:24] Speaker 1: difference in the world and not just make money. Because
[1:10:26] Speaker 1: if I want to make money, there's a lot hell
[1:10:27] Speaker 1: of a lot easier ways in this world to make
[1:10:30] Speaker 1: money and safer ways to make money. So I'm like,
[1:10:32] Speaker 1: we're actually trying to go for impact and make the difference.
[1:10:35] Speaker 1: You have to have this different perspective of like almost
[1:10:38] Speaker 1: like doing those selfless acts of faith because I know
[1:10:41] Speaker 1: I'll be fine in the end. I've been fined up
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: to this point, and so yeah, when it comes down
[1:10:47] Speaker 1: to it, That's why I start my nonprofit because now
[1:10:50] Speaker 1: it allows people to have a tax deductible way to
[1:10:53] Speaker 1: directly get to the project. And I kind of just
[1:10:56] Speaker 1: with that, kind of just walk by faith by saying,
[1:10:58] Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna build this next We're going to
[1:11:01] Speaker 1: see where it goes. And I truly believe that when
[1:11:03] Speaker 1: I build these trailer machines and I tore the entire
[1:11:05] Speaker 1: United States with it, showing everybody before their eyes the process,
[1:11:09] Speaker 1: I just truly believe the right it will beget in
[1:11:11] Speaker 1: the eyes of the right individuals that will then allow
[1:11:15] Speaker 1: this to be in the right place. And whether that
[1:11:17] Speaker 1: may not even be like direct, oh I just get
[1:11:20] Speaker 1: ten million dollars, it might just be something like, hey,
[1:11:22] Speaker 1: I'll allow you to work at my plants. I allow
[1:11:24] Speaker 1: you to be at my warhouse for free. You can
[1:11:26] Speaker 1: manufacture them here. You know, who knows what's going to
[1:11:28] Speaker 1: come from it. But I just believe that since my
[1:11:31] Speaker 1: intentions are from the perspective of I'm just trying to
[1:11:32] Speaker 1: change the world, I'm going to get in front of
[1:11:35] Speaker 1: the right people. And I've already seen that because, for example,
[1:11:39] Speaker 1: the machine that's being built right now, the Mark five
[1:11:41] Speaker 1: machine on their mobile trailer, is literally being community built
[1:11:44] Speaker 1: by volunteers from all around the United States. These are
[1:11:48] Speaker 1: highly skilled individuals, people that frankly should not be just
[1:11:52] Speaker 1: volunteering their time and even on their own expense to
[1:11:56] Speaker 1: come out there and work on it, but they are
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: because they see the vision and they see what this
[1:12:00] Speaker 1: is meaning. And I truly believe, especially like with the boat,
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: like I believe the boat would be very easy to
[1:12:04] Speaker 1: raise sponsorships for for example, because companies would love to
[1:12:07] Speaker 1: have their logo on this bar that's going out to
[1:12:09] Speaker 1: the ocean. And so I just believe that, Yeah, it's
[1:12:11] Speaker 1: gonna all work out, and it'll all happen, just as
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: it always has nobody's five years, because I've walked by
[1:12:17] Speaker 1: faith in many different ways doing this, you know, just like,
[1:12:21] Speaker 1: for example, I chose not to go to college to
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: focus on this, and you know, I'm still here, and
[1:12:29] Speaker 1: so I believe that, especially at this point, making this
[1:12:34] Speaker 1: mobile and gang being able to show it to people.
[1:12:36] Speaker 1: This is really opening up the next chapter of this
[1:12:39] Speaker 1: entire process, and things are going to become very exponential,
[1:12:43] Speaker 1: because it's just been this year twenty twenty six now
[1:12:46] Speaker 1: when I've really started to actually work with people. Up
[1:12:48] Speaker 1: to this point, it's always just be me. I've never
[1:12:50] Speaker 1: had volunteers or interns or even organizational people helping me.
[1:12:55] Speaker 1: Now I'm starting to actually find the right team of
[1:12:57] Speaker 1: people because I've laid down the roots and foundations to
[1:12:59] Speaker 1: show people what this is for and what the mission
[1:13:02] Speaker 1: is for, and that the goal is not just to
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: get rich off of it. And now I'm attracting those
[1:13:06] Speaker 1: types of people around me. They get that and are
[1:13:09] Speaker 1: working conjunctively in that same vein. And now I really
[1:13:12] Speaker 1: believe within the next five years at most, this is
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: going to be in a place where implemented in the world,
[1:13:19] Speaker 1: because I can just tell the exponentiality is there.
[1:13:21] Speaker 4: Now there's one question, of course, you have the pathway forward,
[1:13:28] Speaker 4: you're still on social media, but like, what do you
[1:13:33] Speaker 4: think about any level of criticism, because it's always gonna
[1:13:36] Speaker 4: be critics.
[1:13:36] Speaker 1: Right for sure.
[1:13:37] Speaker 4: So some people are like, well, they already have Like
[1:13:40] Speaker 4: you said, they've spent millions of dollars when it's already
[1:13:42] Speaker 4: it hasn't worked that scale. Why should we think that
[1:13:44] Speaker 4: it's going to work and scale this time. Or some
[1:13:46] Speaker 4: people are like it will never happen because, like you said,
[1:13:50] Speaker 4: the waste management the oil companies is just not going
[1:13:52] Speaker 4: to work.
[1:13:53] Speaker 1: Or people will say it's like it's different thing for sure,
[1:13:58] Speaker 1: like for the critics, because it's not. You have a
[1:14:02] Speaker 1: lot of.
[1:14:02] Speaker 4: Supporters, but everybody has some level of critics too, right, Yeah,
[1:14:05] Speaker 4: do you even think about those people?
[1:14:07] Speaker 1: Or yeah, I love reading any type of critical, critical
[1:14:12] Speaker 1: places that come from a place of actual like I guess, uh,
[1:14:16] Speaker 1: constructive criticistructive criticism where it could be actually improving. Like
[1:14:19] Speaker 1: some people that are just genuinely jealous and just straight
[1:14:22] Speaker 1: spiteful and hateful, well sometimes actually make some decent suggestions.
[1:14:26] Speaker 1: Uh look, look keep it real. They're the reason I
[1:14:30] Speaker 1: started to get the solar panels because they were always
[1:14:32] Speaker 1: complaining about, well, what's the point of doing this if
[1:14:34] Speaker 1: you're burning energy to run the microwaves. I'm like, that's
[1:14:38] Speaker 1: that's a good point. Like you know, you don't see
[1:14:39] Speaker 1: you don't see the vision because I'm like, we're getting
[1:14:41] Speaker 1: rid of plastic, but that's true. Let me just use
[1:14:43] Speaker 1: solar panels. Thank you. You know, the critics were the
[1:14:46] Speaker 1: ones who inspired me. They will take my things to
[1:14:47] Speaker 1: their lap to get it tested. The critics who were
[1:14:49] Speaker 1: who inspired me to start doing the fuel tests where
[1:14:52] Speaker 1: I'm putting this in engines because they'd always be saying
[1:14:54] Speaker 1: when I'll never run in the engine, it will destroy
[1:14:55] Speaker 1: It'll blow up an engine first try. And I'm like, no,
[1:14:57] Speaker 1: it won't. But I'm like, here's what I always say.
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: My actions and intentions speak louder than my words, So
[1:15:03] Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna I could sit there all day
[1:15:05] Speaker 1: and go back and forth, or I could just show you.
[1:15:07] Speaker 1: You say it's gonna blow up an engine. Okay, I'll
[1:15:09] Speaker 1: just go through it in a Rolls voice. This cat
[1:15:11] Speaker 1: pack an engine worth more than me. See what happens.
[1:15:16] Speaker 1: You say it it burns dirty, or it's horrible emissions. Okay,
[1:15:19] Speaker 1: I'll just go take it to the lab. We'll see
[1:15:21] Speaker 1: what happens. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. If you're
[1:15:23] Speaker 1: right and it is horrible, we'll fix it. We'll figure
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: out what we need to do to fix it. If
[1:15:27] Speaker 1: if you're wrong, then boom. If you say this is
[1:15:31] Speaker 1: stupid because it's already been done before, I'm like, okay,
[1:15:33] Speaker 1: I'm just gonna build one that's never been done before.
[1:15:35] Speaker 1: I'm solar continuous racked on a trailer. I mean you
[1:15:38] Speaker 1: can look it up. If you go look it up
[1:15:40] Speaker 1: on any AI, you will not find anybody doing it
[1:15:42] Speaker 1: because it has not been done. So like they could
[1:15:44] Speaker 1: say it's been done before, but it literally hasn't. So
[1:15:47] Speaker 1: that's all I do. I just, you know, I just
[1:15:50] Speaker 1: lead by action because I believe something that we do
[1:15:53] Speaker 1: a lot, especially a lot of people in the black community,
[1:15:56] Speaker 1: is oftentimes we can just talk and not actually do anything,
[1:16:00] Speaker 1: and so I kind of do the opposite. Instead of talking,
[1:16:03] Speaker 1: I just do it.
[1:16:05] Speaker 5: I wondered, Yes, amen to that, Amen to that. I
[1:16:09] Speaker 5: was wondering, because you have the Clean skincare line, Is
[1:16:13] Speaker 5: it the same process because a lot of the well
[1:16:17] Speaker 5: petroleum obviously can be turned into a lot of things.
[1:16:20] Speaker 2: Is it the same process that you're using for the Clean?
[1:16:22] Speaker 1: Absolutely not, And that's the big irony. So my brand
[1:16:26] Speaker 1: jab Roma, where I make on Nature deodorant and bug
[1:16:28] Speaker 1: repellent and hairsprand stuff. The whole point of that stuff
[1:16:31] Speaker 1: is that it is free from petroleum because you know,
[1:16:35] Speaker 1: I learned the game of petroleum. I learned how plastic
[1:16:38] Speaker 1: is made of petroleum. But I also learned how almost
[1:16:40] Speaker 1: everything in this world is, including almost all cosmetic products, deodorant,
[1:16:44] Speaker 1: like all this stuff. And I'm like, it's messed up
[1:16:47] Speaker 1: because I also know that almost everything petroleum based is
[1:16:50] Speaker 1: a link to leukemia, link to cancer, link to blah
[1:16:54] Speaker 1: blah blah. And I'm like, we're putting this on our
[1:16:55] Speaker 1: bodies every day. So that's why I started my brand Jabburoma.
[1:16:58] Speaker 1: That's the deodorant exactly the orderans causing cancer. Yeah, I
[1:17:02] Speaker 1: mean anything that that you've yeah, anything that's petroleum based
[1:17:08] Speaker 1: right that you're allowing to be absorbed into your skin,
[1:17:10] Speaker 1: has always been linked to some type of tumors and cancers.
[1:17:14] Speaker 1: And that's just always been the case. It always has.
[1:17:16] Speaker 1: It's carcinogenic. Yeah, that's just we know that that's this
[1:17:19] Speaker 1: is fact. So the fact that it's legal is what's
[1:17:21] Speaker 1: surprising to me. And the fact that there's no good
[1:17:24] Speaker 1: natural alternatives like my natural hairspray that I make, my
[1:17:27] Speaker 1: natural hair and beard spray. There is no all Natural
[1:17:30] Speaker 1: Hair and the Beard Spray on the market. There's sprays
[1:17:32] Speaker 1: I will say on the front, natural clean, you turn
[1:17:34] Speaker 1: the ingredients on the back, got all types of Benzo eights,
[1:17:38] Speaker 1: crazy stuff. And so I started that brand from the
[1:17:42] Speaker 1: kind of the same perspective of Nature Jet, where it's
[1:17:43] Speaker 1: like I don't see something right being done, and I'm
[1:17:46] Speaker 1: just gonna be the one to do it. And I'm
[1:17:47] Speaker 1: also never gonna sell out, because what happens is a
[1:17:49] Speaker 1: lot of brands will start pure, but then they start
[1:17:51] Speaker 1: to get, you know, some buzz. Then they get some
[1:17:53] Speaker 1: a big brand or investor come buy them out, change
[1:17:56] Speaker 1: the formulas.
[1:17:57] Speaker 2: If you're looking for a face for the Beard brand,
[1:17:59] Speaker 2: let me know, got you.
[1:18:01] Speaker 1: I got you.
[1:18:02] Speaker 4: So the Rose Royce talk about that you did an
[1:18:05] Speaker 4: experiment recently with the Rose Royce and that was on
[1:18:08] Speaker 4: social media. You had the girls explain the marketing behind
[1:18:12] Speaker 4: it and explain how it actually worked.
[1:18:16] Speaker 1: Sure, So this weekend March twenty first, I ran a
[1:18:19] Speaker 1: twenty sixteen Rose Royce Dawn Jabbar Westbrooks Rose Royce Dawn
[1:18:24] Speaker 1: off of one hundred percent plast DeLine. That was the
[1:18:26] Speaker 1: first luxury engine, the first V twelve engine in the world,
[1:18:30] Speaker 1: the most expensive vehicle ever to operate off a plastlein
[1:18:33] Speaker 1: and yes, I'm actually let you brought up that point.
[1:18:35] Speaker 1: Because this this event, I took a different marketing perspective.
[1:18:38] Speaker 1: Usually for all my events of the past, I'll just
[1:18:41] Speaker 1: purely do all the marketing where I'm just like, hey, guys,
[1:18:44] Speaker 1: we're gonna run this engine. Cool, let's do it. But
[1:18:47] Speaker 1: this I took a different marketing approach because I felt
[1:18:50] Speaker 1: like this was like monumental to do a Rose Royce.
[1:18:53] Speaker 1: So I almost wanted to like give the the marketing
[1:18:57] Speaker 1: vibe of like this is what we're like the lifestyle
[1:18:59] Speaker 1: of a Rose Royce, to look of a Rose Royce.
[1:19:00] Speaker 1: So like, for example, in my marketing videos, I would
[1:19:03] Speaker 1: of course have Rose Royces in the background. I'd have
[1:19:06] Speaker 1: models in the background because I'm like, I'm like, this
[1:19:09] Speaker 1: is this is a different type of person that we're
[1:19:11] Speaker 1: appealing to a different type of audience, and we're running
[1:19:13] Speaker 1: this type of vehicle, like a Rose Royce owner is
[1:19:15] Speaker 1: a different type of person.
[1:19:17] Speaker 2: And so.
[1:19:18] Speaker 1: For example, when I I had one of my videos
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: where I'm telling people that we're gonna do this event,
[1:19:22] Speaker 1: and then I had like a who hundred of models
[1:19:23] Speaker 1: in the background, and then a lot of my people
[1:19:25] Speaker 1: were actually upset at that because they're like, you know you, well, yeah,
[1:19:29] Speaker 1: they're like you you sold out. They're like, we we
[1:19:32] Speaker 1: would watch the video with or without woman in the background.
[1:19:35] Speaker 1: But I was like, I hear you, guys, but you
[1:19:38] Speaker 1: also are kind of pu that it worked because you
[1:19:40] Speaker 1: are common team and that's the whole point. And this
[1:19:42] Speaker 1: video did get a few hundred thousand views. But my
[1:19:46] Speaker 1: perspective was like, okay, like I understand where you're coming from,
[1:19:50] Speaker 1: but this is you know, marketing is psychology, and no
[1:19:55] Speaker 1: matter how you put it, you proved it because you
[1:19:58] Speaker 1: watched the video. I mean I put models in the video,
[1:20:00] Speaker 1: you watched it, and this is a Rolls Royce, so
[1:20:02] Speaker 1: it's fitting. It makes sense. I think that people may
[1:20:05] Speaker 1: have been upset and seen it as one way or
[1:20:06] Speaker 1: another because this is our marketing strategy that's been done forever,
[1:20:10] Speaker 1: so they kind of see it as, oh, he just
[1:20:12] Speaker 1: sold out to like the typical strategies. But I made
[1:20:16] Speaker 1: it very clear that like, for example, the model I
[1:20:18] Speaker 1: didn't have in my video, I took them dress formula
[1:20:21] Speaker 1: because we're trying to look like luxury Vibe and so
[1:20:26] Speaker 1: from my perspective, I saw it as a success because
[1:20:29] Speaker 1: it got the attention of people, it fit the vibe,
[1:20:32] Speaker 1: and also I liked the way the vision came out
[1:20:36] Speaker 1: it very much, you know. To me, it almost is
[1:20:37] Speaker 1: like filming a movie in a sense, like fast and
[1:20:40] Speaker 1: furious type of thing. And so I think that going forward,
[1:20:44] Speaker 1: whatever I do anything type of luxury vehicle, like one
[1:20:46] Speaker 1: day I gotta run a Bugatti and gotta run it ferrari,
[1:20:48] Speaker 1: I think that that would just be how we do
[1:20:50] Speaker 1: that for those more luxury vehicles. I think what it
[1:20:53] Speaker 1: was is people always see me as such a people's
[1:20:56] Speaker 1: person because, like you know, I started in my backyard.
[1:21:00] Speaker 1: I've run many vehicles that are just common everyday people vehicles.
[1:21:04] Speaker 1: So even by me just running a Rose Voice, it
[1:21:06] Speaker 1: ups as some people because they're like, why are you
[1:21:08] Speaker 1: doing this? Like that's not realistic. We you know, doing
[1:21:12] Speaker 1: that doesn't prove anything because the average person would ever
[1:21:15] Speaker 1: be able to run a Rose Orse. But I'm like, guys,
[1:21:17] Speaker 1: I proven that they're running your vehicle and you're running
[1:21:20] Speaker 1: a Rose Rooce.
[1:21:22] Speaker 5: You know.
[1:21:22] Speaker 1: So you know, like I learned that from that perspective.
[1:21:27] Speaker 1: I learned that, you know, people will all can always
[1:21:30] Speaker 1: have something to say, and even like my own people
[1:21:32] Speaker 1: can be thick on in that way. Because at some
[1:21:34] Speaker 1: point when I was in the middle of the marketing,
[1:21:36] Speaker 1: it actually really upset me because I was putting so
[1:21:39] Speaker 1: much into it, like this is the most I've ever
[1:21:41] Speaker 1: marketed an event, Like I was throwing together shoots out
[1:21:45] Speaker 1: here in Atlanta for this and taking so much time
[1:21:47] Speaker 1: just for people to kind of be complaining. But then
[1:21:49] Speaker 1: I realized, like it really doesn't matter, Like even my
[1:21:54] Speaker 1: own supporters, you know, unfortunately, it really doesn't even matter
[1:21:57] Speaker 1: what people say. And I can't take anything too heart
[1:22:00] Speaker 1: to not even to you can't even take the support
[1:22:02] Speaker 1: to heart too much. You can't take the support or
[1:22:04] Speaker 1: the critics to tart too much because at the end
[1:22:06] Speaker 1: of the day, you have a certain vision and path
[1:22:09] Speaker 1: that you're doing, and as long as your intentions are
[1:22:11] Speaker 1: are pure, does like there will always be times where
[1:22:15] Speaker 1: people will it can appear the perspective can look one
[1:22:18] Speaker 1: way or the other, and the intentions are all that matters.
[1:22:21] Speaker 1: And I knew my intentions from the beginning was I'm
[1:22:24] Speaker 1: trying to get this out there. I'm trying to raise
[1:22:26] Speaker 1: funds to this next machine, and I'm trying to prove
[1:22:28] Speaker 1: this works in the V twelve engine, a Rose Royce engine.
[1:22:31] Speaker 1: And you know, whether you appreciate how that was displayed
[1:22:35] Speaker 1: or not, if my vision is I wanted to I
[1:22:37] Speaker 1: want to market it this way, to demonstrate this luxury vibe,
[1:22:40] Speaker 1: then I just have to stand on that, you know,
[1:22:42] Speaker 1: because people will always have some type of complaints and
[1:22:45] Speaker 1: some type of some people always enjoy too.
[1:22:48] Speaker 2: You know, off your list.
[1:22:49] Speaker 5: I got a question I think talking to you, to
[1:22:51] Speaker 5: you here today, I think I have the answer, but
[1:22:55] Speaker 5: I want this two part. Has there been a company
[1:22:58] Speaker 5: that has all for you a sum to say we
[1:23:03] Speaker 5: want to acquire or merge with you? Right? We see
[1:23:06] Speaker 5: that happen in tech all the time. Right, we just
[1:23:08] Speaker 5: saw you know, Meta and Manna is right, we saw
[1:23:12] Speaker 5: Nvidia with Gronk, right, that somebody's doing something that we
[1:23:16] Speaker 5: need to add to our business, let's acquire it.
[1:23:19] Speaker 2: Has that happened and if so, would you ever?
[1:23:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's happened. It happens all the time, and it's
[1:23:29] Speaker 1: actually happened on both sides where it will be something
[1:23:32] Speaker 1: more polite, like a business would just say hey, you know,
[1:23:34] Speaker 1: like a Pyalysis come back, I got like one of
[1:23:36] Speaker 1: the biggest paralysis companies in the world try to buy
[1:23:38] Speaker 1: me off and bring me on. And sometimes it'll be
[1:23:41] Speaker 1: like that's simple. But then sometimes it'll be like, for example,
[1:23:44] Speaker 1: back in December, I was getting notices in the mail
[1:23:47] Speaker 1: over and over again. This company will say, hey, you
[1:23:49] Speaker 1: infringed on our patent. We're gonna sue you. You have
[1:23:51] Speaker 1: three choices. Either one, come work for us. Two they
[1:23:57] Speaker 1: said they said stop doing your work, or three what
[1:24:02] Speaker 1: was the third option? There was some nonsense, but either way,
[1:24:05] Speaker 1: I knew it was a bluff because I'm like, okay,
[1:24:07] Speaker 1: you said I infringed on your paddent, but you didn't
[1:24:09] Speaker 1: even attach the paddent number in the letter. So I
[1:24:11] Speaker 1: was like, this is whatever. They sent like three letters
[1:24:14] Speaker 1: certified mail, but back to back. I kept ignoring it.
[1:24:17] Speaker 1: And then at one point the last lee they sent,
[1:24:19] Speaker 1: they were like, Okay, since you've been ignoring our request,
[1:24:21] Speaker 1: we took off the option for you to come work
[1:24:22] Speaker 1: for us. Like I knew that was the job one
[1:24:24] Speaker 1: it the whole time. So like I get those type
[1:24:26] Speaker 1: of things, like you know, some people in industries are intimidated.
[1:24:30] Speaker 1: You know this Sam come there, sent me those letters
[1:24:31] Speaker 1: they were emailing me before emailing me the same thing,
[1:24:34] Speaker 1: and then I get I get these phone calls all
[1:24:36] Speaker 1: the time when people were being like like I said, like,
[1:24:38] Speaker 1: people will just say things to me like hey, I
[1:24:40] Speaker 1: want to get half of your company for one hundred thousand,
[1:24:42] Speaker 1: or hey, you know, they look for ain type of
[1:24:44] Speaker 1: situation where they can come in and creep in, where
[1:24:45] Speaker 1: they're like, especially when I'm building and I'm raising funds,
[1:24:48] Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you want that built, Okay, we'll get
[1:24:50] Speaker 1: that built for you. They just give me half of
[1:24:52] Speaker 1: your company whatever. And I've always said no, because just
[1:24:56] Speaker 1: the perspective of somebody approaching me like that prove they're
[1:25:00] Speaker 1: not the type of person I want to work with,
[1:25:03] Speaker 1: right because you're already approaching for that perspective of purely like,
[1:25:07] Speaker 1: how can I make as much profit from this as possible?
[1:25:09] Speaker 1: And I already know like, if that's your perspective, that's
[1:25:13] Speaker 1: not gonna work, because yes, of course this can make
[1:25:16] Speaker 1: this will make money, it will be profitable, but that's
[1:25:20] Speaker 1: the money, and the profit from this is the byproduct.
[1:25:23] Speaker 1: I've been investing five years into this. I've invested I
[1:25:26] Speaker 1: don't even know how much money into this. I haven't
[1:25:28] Speaker 1: made a dollar of revenue from nature jab and I'm
[1:25:31] Speaker 1: not even upset at that because that was never the goal.
[1:25:34] Speaker 1: The goal was we're gonna solve the plastic problem. And
[1:25:37] Speaker 1: with that, I just know and have faith that the
[1:25:39] Speaker 1: money would just come. I mean, we all know it.
[1:25:41] Speaker 1: That's why people, that's why so many people email me
[1:25:43] Speaker 1: about investing, because it's obvious if you're looking at you
[1:25:45] Speaker 1: making one hundred and ten octane gasoline from plastic, diesel
[1:25:50] Speaker 1: from plastic that burns cleaner, you're solving two problems at once.
[1:25:53] Speaker 1: You're gonna make the money. So it's like if people
[1:25:55] Speaker 1: would just have some faith, then it know, we'd all
[1:25:59] Speaker 1: be okay.
[1:26:01] Speaker 2: Opportunity.
[1:26:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean the recycling is a billion dollar
[1:26:04] Speaker 1: industry in itself, fuels trillion dollar do it all together.
[1:26:09] Speaker 1: I mean, come on, and then we're not even talking
[1:26:11] Speaker 1: about credits because see that's another thing of faith, because
[1:26:13] Speaker 1: some people want to talk about this or that, and
[1:26:15] Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, listen, there's gonna come a time in
[1:26:18] Speaker 1: this day wherever it's such thing as a plastic credits,
[1:26:21] Speaker 1: Like are we at carbon credits? When the world the
[1:26:24] Speaker 1: World Health Organization you in finally catch us up to
[1:26:28] Speaker 1: how bad plastic is. You will get paid to truly
[1:26:31] Speaker 1: destroy plastic. I know it. And when that happens, these
[1:26:35] Speaker 1: machines will be the next gold rush. It will be
[1:26:37] Speaker 1: the next gold mine, because companies don't even care about
[1:26:40] Speaker 1: the environment will get a machine just to be able
[1:26:42] Speaker 1: to get their plastic credits. It will happen. It has
[1:26:45] Speaker 1: to happen because I know what happened, because microplastics are
[1:26:48] Speaker 1: literally a pandemic, that's a hidden pandemic nobody's even talking about.
[1:26:54] Speaker 1: And it's been that way. Zero point five percent of
[1:26:57] Speaker 1: our brains are metaplastic on average. Point that's it's only
[1:27:01] Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. That's crazy.
[1:27:05] Speaker 4: Well, my brother, I appreciate it. Man, definitely glad that
[1:27:08] Speaker 4: we got this conversation. This was something that was very,
[1:27:11] Speaker 4: like I said, very enlightening.
[1:27:13] Speaker 1: Thank you.
[1:27:14] Speaker 4: Continue to work, Oh you do. How can people donate?
[1:27:18] Speaker 4: How can they support? Like, what's the website? Social all
[1:27:21] Speaker 4: that stuff?
[1:27:21] Speaker 1: So now I have jab Innovations dot org that just started.
[1:27:27] Speaker 1: That's my nonprofit website. You can also get there to
[1:27:30] Speaker 1: naturejab dot com slash donate to get directly to that link.
[1:27:35] Speaker 1: Because there are a lot of scammers that imitate me
[1:27:37] Speaker 1: and have fake websites and profiles. You have to go
[1:27:40] Speaker 1: directly from my stuff, and that's the most direct way
[1:27:44] Speaker 1: that somebody can donate. But also from a business perspective,
[1:27:48] Speaker 1: I understand businesses are always about like how can we
[1:27:51] Speaker 1: be at you know, how can we advantage from this?
[1:27:54] Speaker 1: And that's why I have my sponsorship opportunities with like
[1:27:57] Speaker 1: the bus, where this is an amazing marketing opportunity for
[1:28:00] Speaker 1: any type of business where you can get your logo
[1:28:03] Speaker 1: on the side of my bus that will tore the
[1:28:05] Speaker 1: entire United States and get billions of views online, hundreds
[1:28:08] Speaker 1: of millions of impressions on the road and in person.
[1:28:11] Speaker 1: And then and then of course you're aligning your business
[1:28:14] Speaker 1: with the emission that's doing something good for the world,
[1:28:16] Speaker 1: so that that can be done to you. Go to
[1:28:19] Speaker 1: naturejab dot com slash mark five. There's a sponsorship form
[1:28:23] Speaker 1: that could be filled out, and we actually, uh, this
[1:28:26] Speaker 1: is April is the last month we're accepting sponsors because
[1:28:29] Speaker 1: we're actually going to be wrapping the bus in May
[1:28:31] Speaker 1: with all the logos finalized. So those are the two
[1:28:34] Speaker 1: direct ways that you can support. One is, of course
[1:28:37] Speaker 1: a more charitable donation and the other is a more
[1:28:39] Speaker 1: business investment opportunity. And so there you go. And of course,
[1:28:43] Speaker 1: outside of that, anybody else that wants to volunteer to
[1:28:46] Speaker 1: actually physically build the machine. We're building it in Woodstock, Georgia,
[1:28:50] Speaker 1: you go to nature jab dot com slash mark five
[1:28:52] Speaker 1: and we have the volunteer form that you can fill
[1:28:53] Speaker 1: out as well.
[1:28:55] Speaker 4: And yeah, it was that we could break this news
[1:28:57] Speaker 4: right here U till we haven't announced it yet, but
[1:28:59] Speaker 4: you was that investment last year and now it's the
[1:29:00] Speaker 4: full circle. You'll be speaking at invest Fest this year. Yes,
[1:29:03] Speaker 4: so that's going to be that's gonna be packed. That's
[1:29:06] Speaker 4: gonna be crazy when you talk. So thank you for
[1:29:08] Speaker 4: doing that. But just another way to raise awareness and
[1:29:11] Speaker 4: get more people involved and hopefully more people, you know,
[1:29:14] Speaker 4: can be on the same mission as you, because like
[1:29:17] Speaker 4: you said, it is it is a problem. I've seen
[1:29:20] Speaker 4: the first thing I went to boy us in beaches
[1:29:22] Speaker 4: littered with plastic bottles, and you know, plastic and that's
[1:29:26] Speaker 4: something that's not, like you said, it's not talked about enough,
[1:29:28] Speaker 4: but it is definitely a major problem from an environmental standpoint.
[1:29:32] Speaker 4: So the fact that you know you're bringing awareness to
[1:29:36] Speaker 4: this I think is very commendable. So appreciate that, and I.
[1:29:39] Speaker 5: Appreciate the fact that you talked about the content. Obviously,
[1:29:42] Speaker 5: we travel there a lot, and we said that we
[1:29:44] Speaker 5: were in a few countries. We're like, the plastic issue
[1:29:47] Speaker 5: here is like you said, this is pandemic and we
[1:29:51] Speaker 5: see it having affordability to try to solve it.
[1:29:53] Speaker 2: It's brilliant. So we thank you. That's why I said,
[1:29:55] Speaker 2: we got to make sure you say that all and
[1:29:58] Speaker 2: we don't make sure we do that. So thank you
[1:29:59] Speaker 2: for joining us. Absolutely, yes sir.
[1:30:01] Speaker 1: Sign my brother, all right, I shall thank you for
[1:30:03] Speaker 1: Rock Must Sing. You guys are in the best fest.
[1:30:05] Speaker 1: Yes sir,

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