# Big meet, little meat: the Trump-Xi summit

An episode of [The Intelligence from The Economist](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1449631195), 25 Sep 2026, 27 min.

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Not much of real substance appears to have emerged from the get-together. But our correspondent says there are clues of how both sides view an evolving relationship. Tommy Robinson, a British far-right influencer, is increasingly well known to MAGA types in America; we examine his rise to prominence. And remembering Bob Mackie, daring dressmaker to the stars. Watch extended clips from Insider here Guests and host: • Simon Rabinovich, Beijing bureau chief • Georgia Banjo, Britain correspondent • Ann Wroe, obituaries editor • Jason Palmer, co-host of “The Intelligence” Topics covered: • Xi Jinping, Donald Trump, trade war, diplomacy • Tommy Robinson, American politics, Texas • Bob Mackie, fashion Listen to what matters most, from global politics and business to science and technology—subscribe to The Economist. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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