# Ta-Nehisi Coates: Obama's Legacy in a Trump World

An episode of [The Bulwark Daily](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1447684472), 19 Jun 2026, 55 min.

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Obama never thought Trump could win in 2016, perhaps because he underestimated how much the opposition loathed him. At the opening of his new presidential center on Thursday, he spoke of presidents acting with duty, honor, and kindness—even though the current occupant at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is all about destroying things, being mean, hurting people, and starting dumb wars. Indeed, Trump's foreign policy may be more in the American tradition than Obama's. Plus, a debate over whether Kamala's response to Gaza cost her the White House along with her standing in the party. Also, some Knicks love and another installment in the perils and pitfalls of wokeness—this time with some Talarico comments from 2020. Ta-Nehisi Coates joins Tim Miller for the Juneteenth holiday weekend pod. show notes • Ta-Nehisi's latest piece in Vanity Fair • Tim's playlist

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