# Building Hope in Recovery: Part 2

An episode of [Father Bill W.](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1446284219), 23 Dec 2025, 49 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/77b53d4/podcast/play/113016703/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-11-23%2F427f7b94-2dff-fbef-5ba9-fa18539d579b.mp3

The word HOPE appears no fewer than 34 times in the first 164 pages of the Big Book. In recovery, it’s vital for getting us started and for keeping us going. In this two-part series, Dr. Denise Ernst, PhD joins Fr. Bill in exploring the role HOPE plays in fostering meaningful change, especially in addiction recovery. Denise earned her doctorate in psychology at the University of New Mexico under the direction of Professor William R. Miller, a pioneer developer of Motivational Interviewing. She has a strong background in addiction counseling and research. Episodes are based on Dr. Miller’s recent book: 8 Ways to Hope, Charting a Path Through Uncertain Times. Hope you enjoy! Show notes: 8 Ways to Hope by William R. Miller Denise Ernst, PhD website: https://deniseernst.com/ Interview with Professor Bill Miller https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CiQ7rVXlrQ Viktor Frankl Man’s Search for Meaning Bill Miller’s Quantum Change

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