# Our Conversation is in Heaven with Laurence Freeman for WCCM+

An episode of [WCCM Audio](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1442551870), 19 Nov 2025, 9:48.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/10f0a2d54/podcast/play/115462770/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-1-13%2F418047753-44100-2-aaf28cc1d04280ba.mp3

Authentic spirituality is not above justice or human suffering. Spiritual truth is reflected in the gritty realities of the world whether it is honoured or denied. Feelings and relationships are part of our spiritual path but so too are social and political responsibilities. We are a single body, embodied in Christ. The old translation of St Paul`s phrase our conversation is in heaven sounds strange to us today. But reflect how our search for a peaceful world requires the recovery of the lost art of conversation – and we may see the link between silence and this fundamental value of civilisation. Continue watching at https://wccmplus.org/programs/our-conversation-is-in-heaven

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