# Billionaire Bryan Johnson Cheats Death By Taking His Son’s Blood & Spends $2M/Year To Reverse Aging

An episode of [Impaulsive with Logan Paul](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1442164847), 21 Jan 2025, 1 h 44 min.

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Anti-aging specialist Bryan Johnson joins the boys to discuss his plan to live to 250 years old, injecting his son’s blood into his body, Andrew Tate apologizing to him, making $300M by selling Venmo, critiquing Mike’s 10/10 Burger, why Jake Paul thanked him after Mike Tyson fight, overcoming depression & suicide, how to get the best sleep of your LIFE, why YOLO is terrible advice, his refusal to believe in God, benefits of having sex before bed & more… SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST ► https://www.youtube.com/impaulsive Watch Previous (Paul Heyman on Mocking John Cena, Returning With Roman Reigns & CM Punk, Logan Paul’s WWE Future) ► https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlcyAPNxj0c&t=1846s ADD US ON: INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/impaulsiveshow/ Timestamps: 0:00 Welcome Bryan Johnson! 💥 2:49 “Are you a Vampire?” 🧛🏻♂️ 4:17 SteveWillDoIt Vs Bryan Johnson! 🍺 6:41 Logan, Mike & Bryan’s Biological Ages! 🧪 13:56 Existence In 2030 Vs Now 🪽 23:44 ‘Don’t Die’ Ideology 😵 33:05 5 Habits for INCREDIBLE Sleep! 😴 42:25 Bryan’s Battle with Depression 😞 47:08 Should You Live A Boring & Healthy Life? 🥱 51:26 Dangers in our Everyday Food & Drinks 🍕 55:31 How To Fall Asleep within 3 Minutes! 💤 58:34 Secret to Increase Heart Rate by 20%! 🥶 1:01:21 Mike Pitches 10/10 Burger to Bryan! 🍔 1:04:00 Why YOLO is Bad! 🤪 1:08:12 Why Bryan Doesn’t Follow Religion ✝️ 1:16:35 Logan Asks Bryan If He’s A “B*tch” 😳 1:20:46 3 Steps To Turnaround Your Life 😱 1:27:20 Why Andrew Tate Apologized To Bryan Johnson! 😮 1:28:12 Fastest Way To Recover Ankle Injury (Jake Paul Vs Mike Tyson) 🦵🏼 1:32:11 S*x Peptides & Ozempic! 🍆 1:37:03 Injecting Son’s Blood Into His Body! (Blood Boy Joins) 🩸 1:42:01 “The Future Will BLOW YOUR MIND!” 🛸 PLEASE NOTE Impaulsive is a significant break from the typical content viewers have come to expect from the vlog channel & we could not be more proud and excited to watch this unfold and grow. Please be advised that we will be exploring a wide variety of topics (some adult-themed) and our younger viewers (and their parents) should be advised that some topics will be for mature audiences only. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: This guy is trying to live forever. Are you a vampire?
[0:03] Speaker 2: Yes.
[0:03] Speaker 1: Why did you take your son's blood and put it
[0:05] Speaker 1: in your body?
[0:05] Speaker 3: I mean, my son is here. Tell me, do you
[0:06] Speaker 3: want to come say hi?
[0:07] Speaker 1: Blink twice if he tricked you into doing it.
[0:08] Speaker 3: Yeah. I have the best biomarkers of anybody on the planet.
[0:11] Speaker 3: So if there were an Olympic sport for health, I
[0:13] Speaker 3: would be the gold medalist.
[0:14] Speaker 4: Steve will do it. It's healthier than you.
[0:17] Speaker 3: Sleep is the most powerful drug. To demonstrate this, I
[0:19] Speaker 3: achieved the best sleep score in human history. So there's
[0:21] Speaker 3: five habits you want to do for sleep. I am
[0:23] Speaker 3: happier than almost anybody. I think I have a more
[0:26] Speaker 3: fulfilled life than anybody.
[0:27] Speaker 4: What do you got me be?
[0:27] Speaker 3: Like, basically... I have already died. Brian Johnson is dead.
[0:31] Speaker 1: What was Liver King's real name?
[0:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, Brian Johnson.
[0:34] Speaker 5: Because, dude, he also sat on this podcast and said,
[0:36] Speaker 5: Brian Johnson died.
[0:37] Speaker 1: Let me tell you the story real quick about Brian Johnson.
[0:39] Speaker 1: That guy's f * * * ing dead.
[0:41] Speaker 3: 2030 is going to make 2025 look like the third century.
[0:44] Speaker 3: We're all NPCs.
[0:45] Speaker 1: Who's the main character, Roman Reigns?
[0:47] Speaker 3: My internal body clock is 0.57. My birthday is every
[0:50] Speaker 3: 21 months.
[0:50] Speaker 1: All right, so how much will Mike's Burger take off
[0:52] Speaker 1: your life?
[0:53] Speaker 3: Roughly the same as one cigarette.
[0:54] Speaker 4: 20 minutes. Fine.
[0:57] Speaker 3: When you do things like binge eat at night, there's
[0:59] Speaker 3: a calculation of how much you're actually done.
[1:01] Speaker 1: You do that, Mike.
[1:02] Speaker 4: Well, you do too. You just gone back.
[1:04] Speaker 1: No, it's sick. Cause you're right. Whatever.
[1:05] Speaker 4: I like drinking.
[1:05] Speaker 1: Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian. I was about to go on
[1:07] Speaker 1: stage last night.
[1:24] Speaker 3: Really? In the ring, yeah.
[1:25] Speaker 1: I don't feel like my higher-ups would have liked that.
[1:27] Speaker 4: Why? I don't know.
[1:29] Speaker 1: You're not a wrestler. What would you have done?
[1:31] Speaker 3: Brought peace.
[1:32] Speaker 1: You know, like broken peace. At a wrestling event, we
[1:36] Speaker 1: don't want peace.
[1:37] Speaker 3: We want violence.
[1:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
[1:38] Speaker 4: Have you ever wrestled against someone that can live forever? No, no.
[1:41] Speaker 4: You can't hurt them.
[1:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, is that true? You're unscathed, invincible.
[1:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Escape artist for death.
[1:49] Speaker 1: Whoa. Brian Johnson, ladies and gentlemen.
[1:54] Speaker 4: Give him give him a fucking blur all.
[1:56] Speaker 1: Right this guy right here is trying to live forever well.
[2:01] Speaker 4: Forever is not a construct that the human mind can
[2:04] Speaker 4: currently understand.
[2:05] Speaker 6: Maybe not your mind because no no no no leave
[2:09] Speaker 6: the crack out of it these are his these are
[2:10] Speaker 6: brian's words but a a a large increase in lifespan
[2:16] Speaker 6: that's what we're talking about today right is that right
[2:19] Speaker 6: An extremist.
[2:20] Speaker 5: You're an extremist who's taking things to the extreme, trying
[2:23] Speaker 5: to do things with your body, treating it as a
[2:25] Speaker 5: guinea pig so you can try to extend your lifespan, longevity.
[2:30] Speaker 5: But not only that, Brian, you're a successful tech entrepreneur.
[2:32] Speaker 1: You just have a.
[2:33] Speaker 5: A Netflix documentary called Don't Die come out. Congratulations on that,
[2:36] Speaker 5: by the way. I just watched it. Sold Braintree Venmo. Venmo,
[2:40] Speaker 5: the payment processor. I use it regularly for $ 300 million.
[2:44] Speaker 5: You're a rich guy. You're a live forever guy. And
[2:46] Speaker 5: you're a guy. Congratulations on all three.
[2:48] Speaker 1: Of those things.
[2:49] Speaker 4: Thanks, guys.
[2:49] Speaker 3: Appreciate that.
[2:50] Speaker 1: And Brian, I like you. You're so smiley. And every
[2:54] Speaker 1: time we've met up, it's been... So friendly. But dude,
[2:58] Speaker 1: I'm not going to take it easy on you in
[2:59] Speaker 1: this podcast.
[3:01] Speaker 4: I'm not.
[3:01] Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you the hard-hitting questions.
[3:03] Speaker 3: All right. I'm ready for it.
[3:04] Speaker 1: Are you a vampire?
[3:05] Speaker 2: Yes.
[3:06] Speaker 3: I mean, my internal body temperature is 93.4 Fahrenheit. I'm
[3:11] Speaker 3: five degrees lower than 98.7.
[3:13] Speaker 1: Dude, stop fucking with me, dude.
[3:14] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[3:15] Speaker 4: Wait, wait. Repeat that one more time for anybody like
[3:17] Speaker 4: myself who missed a small part of it.
[3:19] Speaker 3: So normal body temperature is 98.7. 98.67.
[3:22] Speaker 4: Thereabouts.
[3:23] Speaker 3: Yeah. Mine's 93.4.
[3:23] Speaker 4: Okay. Okay. How, why, and is that a good thing? Yeah.
[3:30] Speaker 3: So we, I mean, the theory is animals, animal species
[3:34] Speaker 3: that have lower metabolic rates, lower body temperatures live longer.
[3:37] Speaker 4: Turtles.
[3:39] Speaker 3: So lower metabolic rate.
[3:41] Speaker 1: Is there another example? Sorry.
[3:43] Speaker 3: Turtles.
[3:44] Speaker 4: I wanted to.
[3:45] Speaker 3: So much is conveyed in that. Yeah.
[3:47] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[3:48] Speaker 3: But like a, you just, we know this, uh, colder
[3:51] Speaker 3: things typically do better. Now there's some exceptions where dolphins
[3:54] Speaker 3: run a little hotter than But generally speaking, the combination
[3:58] Speaker 3: of having no inflammation in my body, being on caloric restriction,
[4:02] Speaker 3: a very pristine diet, my body temp has dropped five degrees.
[4:06] Speaker 3: It's pretty stunning.
[4:07] Speaker 1: Dude, your lifestyle is insane.
[4:10] Speaker 4: In what way?
[4:11] Speaker 5: It's just so extreme. And you have to be so
[4:14] Speaker 5: committed to do it. You take how many pills a day?
[4:18] Speaker 3: 50.
[4:19] Speaker 1: And you have 100% sleep score for the past?
[4:24] Speaker 3: Yeah, like a year.
[4:26] Speaker 5: And you work out every single day, no caffeine, no alcohol,
[4:29] Speaker 5: all the things you'd expect the best behaving person to
[4:32] Speaker 5: do and the healthiest person to do.
[4:35] Speaker 1: Would you say you're probably one of the healthiest people
[4:37] Speaker 1: in the world?
[4:38] Speaker 3: I think it is accurate to say I am the
[4:42] Speaker 3: most healthy person in the entire world. I have the
[4:45] Speaker 3: best comprehensive biomarkers of anybody on the planet. So if
[4:48] Speaker 3: there were an Olympic sport for health, I would be
[4:51] Speaker 3: the gold medalist.
[4:52] Speaker 4: Steve will do it is healthier than you. Who? Steve
[4:54] Speaker 4: will do it. I'm 100% positive that Steve will do
[4:58] Speaker 4: it as the healthiest person on the planet.
[5:00] Speaker 7: Okay.
[5:00] Speaker 4: He's another creator, super focused on health, cold plunges every day.
[5:04] Speaker 4: He's an excessive drinker and gambler. He's got some faults,
[5:10] Speaker 4: but I believe that if you went head to head
[5:12] Speaker 4: with him, you guys would have a showdown.
[5:14] Speaker 1: He would at least be a close second.
[5:15] Speaker 3: Yes. Okay.
[5:17] Speaker 4: Can we go one by one?
[5:18] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[5:18] Speaker 4: The way of things here, like we're gonna go.
[5:20] Speaker 1: Back and forth. We're going to rapid fire, but, but
[5:22] Speaker 1: don't feel free to.
[5:23] Speaker 4: Like, Oh, I just meant a little bit of more
[5:25] Speaker 4: regimented approach than our normal rapid fire, because you have
[5:29] Speaker 4: a very regimented lifestyle. The three big ones that stick
[5:32] Speaker 4: out to me in my studies, in my, in my
[5:34] Speaker 4: research is diet, sleep and exercise.
[5:37] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[5:38] Speaker 4: Can you, Start by prioritizing the three into what is
[5:42] Speaker 4: the most important for human lifespan expansion. And then tell
[5:46] Speaker 4: us a little bit about what you do in those three,
[5:48] Speaker 4: those three categories.
[5:49] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[5:50] Speaker 3: I'll explain a little bit of a methodology behind like
[5:52] Speaker 3: why we do these things. So let's just say your
[5:54] Speaker 3: life expectancy in California, average life expectancy is 79 years.
[5:59] Speaker 3: So you can back into that and say you die
[6:02] Speaker 3: blank percent every day, right? You can actually calculate how
[6:05] Speaker 3: much your body dies every day.
[6:07] Speaker 7: Right.
[6:08] Speaker 3: That if you slow that down, then you can live
[6:11] Speaker 3: longer than 79 years. If you speed it up, you
[6:14] Speaker 3: live shorter than 79 years, right? It makes sense. So
[6:17] Speaker 3: things that accelerate, if you smoked or you drank or
[6:20] Speaker 3: you're obese, that accelerates your rate of death. So you're
[6:24] Speaker 3: going to live fewer than 79 years. If you do
[6:26] Speaker 3: good things, sleep well, exercise, et cetera, you're going to
[6:29] Speaker 3: extend that. And so what we did is we said,
[6:33] Speaker 3: we're going to look at all the scientific evidence ever
[6:35] Speaker 3: published on the evidence on slowing down speed aging and
[6:40] Speaker 3: accelerating aging. And then we're going to try to be
[6:43] Speaker 3: the most don't die person in human history. So how
[6:47] Speaker 3: do you slow down the speed of aging? How do
[6:49] Speaker 3: you extend lifespan? And that's what we've done. And so,
[6:51] Speaker 3: for example, when I say I have the best comprehensive biomarkers,
[6:53] Speaker 3: for example, like my internal body clock on my speed
[6:56] Speaker 3: of aging is 0.57. You got it lower than 0.6.
[6:58] Speaker 1: It did. 0.57. Congratulations.
[7:02] Speaker 3: Thank you. You know about this, how hard that is.
[7:05] Speaker 5: Well, I got my epigenetic age done. I'm aging at 0.72.
[7:09] Speaker 3: Good job. That's excellent.
[7:10] Speaker 1: It's pretty solid.
[7:11] Speaker 4: Mine was 1.68. Did you measure it? I actually should
[7:16] Speaker 4: be clocking out any second. No, I'm just kidding.
[7:19] Speaker 3: I'm kidding.
[7:19] Speaker 4: 0.57.
[7:20] Speaker 5: You're aging like almost half as slow as the regular person.
[7:25] Speaker 1: Exactly.
[7:25] Speaker 3: My birthday is every 21 months.
[7:28] Speaker 4: So, so what, based on that, and I did do
[7:31] Speaker 4: a analysis on my biological age and it was, it was,
[7:34] Speaker 4: I'm probably right around 1.0 because I was about my
[7:37] Speaker 4: age from biological standpoint, which I'm trying to work on.
[7:40] Speaker 4: So that would mean that based on that marker, you
[7:44] Speaker 4: would anticipate in the state of California living to about
[7:48] Speaker 4: 147 years old. Is that a good guess? Like estimate?
[7:51] Speaker 3: I mean, you can, you can say it's some number
[7:54] Speaker 3: of years, more than 79. But I started at one.
[7:57] Speaker 3: And so we've marched our way down to 0.57.
[8:00] Speaker 4: How long did it take?
[8:01] Speaker 3: Like four years to get to this level. I just
[8:04] Speaker 3: like getting better and better.
[8:05] Speaker 4: And we're going to cover the things that you did.
[8:06] Speaker 4: I want to ask one overarching question before we even
[8:09] Speaker 4: get to it. Nature versus nurture. Genetics. How old did
[8:18] Speaker 4: your grandparents live to? How old are your parents now?
[8:22] Speaker 4: and how much do you think that affects your actual
[8:26] Speaker 4: end game lifespan?
[8:27] Speaker 3: I mean, I'm genetically disadvantaged. So I met this, I
[8:31] Speaker 3: created this, so when I first started doing this, people
[8:34] Speaker 3: would view me and they see the headlines and they'd
[8:36] Speaker 3: be like, vampire, eccentric, billionaire, fuckhead, and you know, dorian
[8:42] Speaker 3: gray prometheus like they just.
[8:44] Speaker 2: Like unloaded on like unload they're just a string of
[8:49] Speaker 2: words of like i don't know what but i'm repulsed
[8:52] Speaker 2: yeah they didn't know what it was it was like
[8:54] Speaker 2: some version of like god i hate you and i
[8:56] Speaker 2: want you to die.
[8:57] Speaker 5: I think it's i think the response you elicit from
[8:59] Speaker 5: people is wild by the way it's you're trying to
[9:01] Speaker 5: live forever.
[9:02] Speaker 1: And people hate it they hate it they.
[9:04] Speaker 4: Give him the same response they give you and all
[9:07] Speaker 4: he's trying to do is live forever.
[9:08] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah well.
[9:11] Speaker 5: I hear some of their claims. By the way, I'm
[9:13] Speaker 5: not a hater. I'm a subscriber because I, too, am
[9:15] Speaker 5: trying to live forever. Look, I got haters, too, and
[9:18] Speaker 5: the only way you can really win is you outlive
[9:19] Speaker 5: all these motherfuckers.
[9:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, what's their vector? When they hate on you, what
[9:22] Speaker 3: do they say? Like, what?
[9:23] Speaker 1: Oh, you don't want it? We don't want it. We
[9:25] Speaker 1: don't got to do all that. We don't got to
[9:27] Speaker 1: do all that. No, everyone loves me.
[9:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it.
[9:34] Speaker 1: So like I wanted to live till I was 150.
[9:36] Speaker 1: And so like, I'm really interested.
[9:38] Speaker 5: And after this, we have one of your don't die
[9:40] Speaker 5: dinners and your whole movement is don't die.
[9:42] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[9:43] Speaker 5: And we're going to get, we're going to get into
[9:44] Speaker 5: the specifics of this for people who want to live forever,
[9:48] Speaker 5: who are watching. But even just that, even that like
[9:51] Speaker 5: thesis in its own right, like I saw on your
[9:54] Speaker 5: Netflix documentary, you acknowledged how human connect can you stop
[10:01] Speaker 5: bouncing your foot, bro?
[10:02] Speaker 4: I was just really excited for this show. I was
[10:04] Speaker 4: pumped to hear about his genetic disadvantage until you curved
[10:06] Speaker 4: the entire conversation. Sorry, I'm fucking sorry, Logan. Okay, I'm
[10:10] Speaker 4: sorry that I don't age at 0.4, dude. Okay, back
[10:13] Speaker 4: to the show.
[10:14] Speaker 5: All right, so yeah, you acknowledge that human connection and
[10:18] Speaker 5: the ability to just like be in communities is important.
[10:21] Speaker 5: It's kind of inherent to our species. And you even
[10:24] Speaker 5: said like you don't want to end up being alone.
[10:27] Speaker 5: But Brian, if you're living forever, who are you hanging
[10:29] Speaker 5: out with?
[10:30] Speaker 1: Who are you talking to? Like is that a concern
[10:32] Speaker 1: of yours?
[10:35] Speaker 3: Humans are like our best attribute is how adaptable we are.
[10:38] Speaker 3: Like we imagine all the times that like if life–
[10:41] Speaker 3: so we see this with paraplegics. Someone imagines if you're
[10:45] Speaker 3: normally functioning, you become paralyzed. Do you want to live?
[10:49] Speaker 3: Most people imagine like, no. So there's a story, actually,
[10:50] Speaker 3: I read this scientific story where this woman treated ALS patients.
[10:55] Speaker 3: She said, you know, if I ever get to a
[10:56] Speaker 3: stage of life where the only thing I can do
[10:58] Speaker 3: is blink, pull it.
[10:59] Speaker 1: Like, I don't want it.
[11:01] Speaker 3: And like, guess what happened?
[11:03] Speaker 1: She got there. She got there.
[11:04] Speaker 3: She got an ALS. She went down the entire path,
[11:07] Speaker 3: her family supporting her. She can barely blink. And they
[11:10] Speaker 3: ask her, do you want to pull the plug? And
[11:12] Speaker 3: what did she say?
[11:12] Speaker 2: No.
[11:13] Speaker 3: Like the, the, the desire to exist is so fundamental
[11:18] Speaker 3: in us. And it doesn't matter what we say. People
[11:20] Speaker 3: would be like, ah, I'll give away the last 10
[11:22] Speaker 3: years of my life to drink now or smoke now
[11:24] Speaker 3: or party now or whatever. You can't speak for that
[11:27] Speaker 3: future self. You don't know. Like we want to exist
[11:30] Speaker 3: with everything inside of us.
[11:31] Speaker 4: Is it a desire to exist or a fear not to?
[11:38] Speaker 3: I mean, whatever it is, she's not pulling the plug.
[11:41] Speaker 3: And so that's the thing is that it's like such
[11:43] Speaker 3: a fundamental thing. And like our fickleness of life, like
[11:48] Speaker 3: the fact that we're willing to like potentially put our
[11:50] Speaker 3: lives at risk and do things to shorten our lives.
[11:53] Speaker 3: I think in just like five or 10 years time,
[11:55] Speaker 3: we will be like, oh my God, that was crazy.
[11:59] Speaker 3: We were so flippant with our conscious existence. Like how
[12:02] Speaker 3: could we be so foolish?
[12:03] Speaker 5: So this is one of the things I really appreciate
[12:06] Speaker 5: about your entire mission. There's a few things and I'll
[12:09] Speaker 5: list some of them right now. One is, I really
[12:12] Speaker 5: appreciate your self-awareness. I've heard you joke about dying by
[12:16] Speaker 5: choking on a piece of broccoli. And by the way,
[12:18] Speaker 5: the haters are waiting. for sure right they're waiting you
[12:20] Speaker 5: got to make sure you're chewing.
[12:21] Speaker 4: It'll be it'll be bok choy by the way oh.
[12:23] Speaker 5: My god if you get a piece of bok choy
[12:28] Speaker 5: jammed down your throat good luck.
[12:30] Speaker 4: I had to yank it out of abby's throat your
[12:31] Speaker 4: sister she we were at a japanese restaurant she got
[12:34] Speaker 4: a piece that was all the way sticking out and
[12:36] Speaker 4: it was and i had to actually in the restaurant
[12:38] Speaker 4: reach down yeah slimy little shit dude it's like eating
[12:41] Speaker 4: up seaweed yes.
[12:42] Speaker 5: Death by bok choy so that's that's one of the
[12:44] Speaker 5: things i appreciate about appreciate about you And the other
[12:47] Speaker 5: thing I appreciate about you is I think maybe because
[12:49] Speaker 5: of your background in tech and just the way you
[12:52] Speaker 5: think and the way you build businesses, you're very clearly
[12:54] Speaker 5: a very capable, intelligent human being.
[12:57] Speaker 1: And I like how you.
[13:00] Speaker 5: Kind of extrapolate the thought process of where humans will
[13:03] Speaker 5: be in 100 years, 200 years now in the same
[13:05] Speaker 5: way you liken it to 2,000 years ago. Basically, our
[13:11] Speaker 5: human values are very differing. And many people are grounded
[13:16] Speaker 5: in the present day. And you think that, what, in
[13:19] Speaker 5: 200 years, I'll let you elaborate on this, we'll look
[13:21] Speaker 5: back and people.
[13:22] Speaker 1: Will think it's crazy that we weren't focusing on expanding
[13:24] Speaker 1: our lives. Correct?
[13:26] Speaker 3: Entirely.
[13:27] Speaker 1: But that point of view is hard.
[13:30] Speaker 5: Most people are living day to day, just trying to
[13:33] Speaker 5: survive their nine to five job. And they go home
[13:35] Speaker 5: to their upset wife and their three kids. But I
[13:40] Speaker 5: think you've been able to have an extreme ability to
[13:46] Speaker 5: have foresight into human development. Can you talk a little
[13:51] Speaker 5: bit about that and how that perspective even came to be?
[13:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a thought experiment I did. So I
[13:56] Speaker 3: sold Braintree Venmo. And the question was like, what do
[13:59] Speaker 3: you do? I had been working for this moment my
[14:00] Speaker 3: entire life. At 21, I said, I want to spend
[14:03] Speaker 3: my life doing something useful for the human race. I
[14:05] Speaker 3: didn't know what. So I said, okay, I'll become an entrepreneur.
[14:07] Speaker 3: I'll make a whole bunch of money. And then with money,
[14:10] Speaker 3: I'll decide what to do. So that was the moment
[14:11] Speaker 3: like it arrived. I had $ 300 million in my bank account.
[14:14] Speaker 1: What do you do?
[14:15] Speaker 3: And I did two things. One is I organized a
[14:17] Speaker 3: bunch of dinners with my smartest friends. And I said,
[14:20] Speaker 3: I'm going to give you a thought experiment. I want
[14:21] Speaker 3: to hear your answers. So I said, let's imagine we
[14:24] Speaker 3: exist in 2050. And we're in that year. We're like
[14:26] Speaker 3: this existence is amazing, like better than anything we ever imagined.
[14:31] Speaker 3: What did we focus on in 2016 to make that possible?
[14:34] Speaker 3: And then people would offer their insights. And like unsurprisingly,
[14:37] Speaker 3: they would say all the things you would expect people
[14:40] Speaker 3: to say. in a current time and place. There's like
[14:42] Speaker 3: a zeitgeist of ideas, right? The same ideas, pattern, just
[14:45] Speaker 3: repeat again and again. So I held 12 dinners. The
[14:48] Speaker 3: ideas were the same in every single dinner, right? Like
[14:52] Speaker 3: exact same. So then I said, okay, I'm gonna write
[14:54] Speaker 3: down all these ideas. I'm gonna put a box around
[14:55] Speaker 3: it and say, I can't do anything inside this box. Nothing.
[15:00] Speaker 3: Like I can't, any idea that's currently being worked on,
[15:02] Speaker 3: I can't do it. I have to find something outside
[15:04] Speaker 3: the box. And so I was like, okay, so now
[15:07] Speaker 3: I know what not to do. The question is now
[15:09] Speaker 3: what to do. So then I did a second thought experiment.
[15:11] Speaker 3: I imagined being present in the 25th century. So now
[15:15] Speaker 3: you're there a few hundred years into the future. They're
[15:18] Speaker 3: looking back at this time and place. And they have,
[15:20] Speaker 3: of course, all the benefit of this vantage point. And
[15:23] Speaker 3: they say, what did Homo sapiens do? Us Homo sapiens
[15:27] Speaker 3: in the year 2020s that made existence exist in this
[15:29] Speaker 3: part of the galaxy. And so in that thought process,
[15:33] Speaker 3: you have to realize while our lives are rich and
[15:36] Speaker 3: fun and we're all busy they're going to compress our
[15:39] Speaker 3: entire century into like two things.
[15:41] Speaker 1: This is, this is it. Continue. I love this.
[15:44] Speaker 3: So like we look back at the third century, we're like, yeah,
[15:45] Speaker 3: one thing happened in the third century. Like even though
[15:47] Speaker 3: there was like millions of people with like political drama
[15:50] Speaker 3: and economic drama, like so much happened, one thing happened. So,
[15:53] Speaker 3: History compresses information to this teeny tiny amount.
[15:56] Speaker 4: Of- Industrial revolution. Yep. You know, like the printing press.
[16:00] Speaker 4: We will be the internet.
[16:01] Speaker 3: Exactly.
[16:02] Speaker 4: Like we will be the internet.
[16:03] Speaker 7: Exactly.
[16:03] Speaker 4: That's what will be defined.
[16:05] Speaker 3: Exactly. So when they say this, like what happened? And
[16:08] Speaker 3: so they compress our entire thing. I think they say
[16:10] Speaker 3: two things. They say that's when Homo sapiens gave birth
[16:14] Speaker 3: to super intelligence. And that's when Homo sapiens figured out
[16:19] Speaker 3: They are moving towards a horizon of perpetually extending their lives,
[16:24] Speaker 3: moving past death being inevitable. You think about this. We've
[16:30] Speaker 3: always imagined that God created us, that we are in
[16:34] Speaker 3: his image. But the irony always rules. It's why I'm
[16:38] Speaker 3: going to die in the most ironic way possible. We
[16:40] Speaker 3: know this is why. We are giving birth to God.
[16:45] Speaker 3: AI has all the characteristics that we've imagined God to have, all-knowing, all-powerful. Now,
[16:51] Speaker 3: over some time duration, AI is going to be capable
[16:54] Speaker 3: to a degree which we can't quite comprehend. Now, in
[16:56] Speaker 3: that situation, intelligence arises. The first thing it does, what
[17:01] Speaker 3: does it do? It wants to make sure it secures
[17:04] Speaker 3: its existence. It's going to size up. What is the
[17:07] Speaker 3: energy source of the universe? What is the battery capacity
[17:10] Speaker 3: of this universe? How much energy can I harness? And
[17:13] Speaker 3: it's going to be like, and how do I eliminate
[17:15] Speaker 3: threats that compromise my existence? Dude, that's what you do
[17:18] Speaker 3: when you're intelligent.
[17:20] Speaker 4: I want to like really dive into that too. But like,
[17:24] Speaker 4: I don't want to move too much off longevity because
[17:27] Speaker 4: at some point in this episode, I want to talk
[17:28] Speaker 4: about like, okay, you like everyone else. There's a man,
[17:31] Speaker 4: I can't remember his name, who wrote a book called Cassandras.
[17:34] Speaker 4: It was about all of the Cassandras of world times
[17:36] Speaker 4: and history. People that warned us about something, the Trojan horse,
[17:42] Speaker 4: about the things that were going to happen. everyone involved
[17:46] Speaker 4: with AI is warning us about AI right now. So
[17:50] Speaker 4: what the fuck are we doing, dude? Like, hey man,
[17:52] Speaker 4: if this thing were to escape the sandbox, guess what?
[17:55] Speaker 4: It's going to. Like, it's going to escape the sandbox,
[17:58] Speaker 4: as I always use, the analogy I always use, as
[18:00] Speaker 4: it lays its artificial intelligence foundation Human civilization will simply
[18:04] Speaker 4: be an anthill that it needs to roll over. There
[18:06] Speaker 4: will be.
[18:06] Speaker 1: No decision making.
[18:09] Speaker 5: The Tesla bomber allegedly posted on 4chan about how AI
[18:12] Speaker 5: has already escaped the sandbox.
[18:15] Speaker 1: And that's what the New Jersey drones are.
[18:17] Speaker 4: All right, sorry, relax.
[18:18] Speaker 5: Just conspiracy. Extremely conspiratorial. I'm not saying I believe that.
[18:22] Speaker 5: I'm just saying I think we're here. I think we're
[18:23] Speaker 5: like moments away.
[18:25] Speaker 3: I agree.
[18:26] Speaker 4: I want to state the one thing I'm thinking about
[18:29] Speaker 4: today is like, How do we apply this conversation to
[18:32] Speaker 4: the people watching this? And there's a lot of them
[18:34] Speaker 4: in our audience that don't do $ 10 million dinner thought
[18:37] Speaker 4: experiments that aren't thinking about the first flight out to Mars.
[18:41] Speaker 4: And I want to make sure that as much of
[18:43] Speaker 4: absorbable data that can come out as episode for people
[18:46] Speaker 4: that are in Tuscaloosa or wherever they are out there
[18:49] Speaker 4: right now can actually.
[18:50] Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we will bring it all together. We will
[18:53] Speaker 3: make the very clear daily habits and how it maps
[18:57] Speaker 3: to this larger thought experiment. It's all.
[19:00] Speaker 1: One thing.
[19:00] Speaker 4: Amazing. Yeah.
[19:02] Speaker 1: Okay.
[19:02] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[19:02] Speaker 3: So just to bridge that, I'll bridge it to practical.
[19:05] Speaker 3: So the idea here is that 2030 is going to
[19:11] Speaker 3: make 2025 look like the third century. Really?
[19:15] Speaker 4: Yes. That quick?
[19:16] Speaker 7: Yes.
[19:17] Speaker 3: What?
[19:18] Speaker 4: Yes.
[19:19] Speaker 3: Why, UAB? I mean, if you say the core premise
[19:24] Speaker 3: is that basically Like when you guys came here today,
[19:27] Speaker 3: you probably came in a car and you probably put
[19:29] Speaker 3: my address in the car and then in the navigation app, right?
[19:32] Speaker 3: And it said like, the driver, drive down the street,
[19:34] Speaker 3: take this path. Because I had information about traffic and streets.
[19:38] Speaker 3: Nobody pulled out a map. Nobody had the streets memorized.
[19:41] Speaker 3: So you said yes to an algorithm because it was
[19:44] Speaker 3: better at that function than you are, right? So algorithms
[19:47] Speaker 3: are built to do a variety of things for us.
[19:49] Speaker 3: It's to drive our social feed. It's to get directions.
[19:52] Speaker 3: It's to give us programming. Algorithms do things on medical data.
[19:56] Speaker 3: Algorithms do many things. So algorithms do things that we
[19:59] Speaker 3: humans do, and we say yes to them when they
[20:01] Speaker 3: do it better than we can. Over a very short
[20:04] Speaker 3: period of time, algorithms are going to be better at
[20:07] Speaker 3: us at almost everything, if not everything.
[20:09] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[20:10] Speaker 3: They will be better at being you than you are you.
[20:13] Speaker 1: Huh?
[20:13] Speaker 4: No. Yes.
[20:14] Speaker 1: No.
[20:15] Speaker 7: No.
[20:16] Speaker 4: So wait, so we're going to get sucked into the algorithm?
[20:19] Speaker 1: God forsaken planet is better at being me than me.
[20:22] Speaker 4: Machines can be.
[20:23] Speaker 1: No, it can be.
[20:23] Speaker 3: So if you just take, let's take a training model.
[20:25] Speaker 3: Let me say, we're going to take everything Logan Paul
[20:27] Speaker 3: has ever done.
[20:29] Speaker 1: Everything?
[20:30] Speaker 3: Everything you've ever done. Everything. And we're going to say, okay,
[20:34] Speaker 3: how would Logan Paul, like this would be a cool experiment.
[20:39] Speaker 3: How would Logan Paul conduct this interview? Like what questions
[20:42] Speaker 3: would he ask? How would he respond? What facial expressions
[20:45] Speaker 3: would he say? What jokes would he make? And so
[20:48] Speaker 3: while you experience yourself as this highly original character in life,
[20:51] Speaker 3: like we all do, we're all NPCs. Our patterns are...
[20:56] Speaker 3: are all so similar.
[20:57] Speaker 1: Who's the main character, Roman Reigns? Wait, wait.
[21:02] Speaker 4: And do you want to know the scary part about it?
[21:05] Speaker 1: Like this, I'm an NPC?
[21:06] Speaker 4: No. The crazy part about it with where you're going
[21:09] Speaker 4: with this, which is absolutely true and horrifying, they don't
[21:15] Speaker 4: have bad days. They don't have days where they wake
[21:17] Speaker 4: up slightly depressed or a little tired or whatever like
[21:20] Speaker 4: we do and we have to try to battle through it.
[21:22] Speaker 4: So on those days where you're only 70% effective, that
[21:26] Speaker 4: machine that acts like he was a hundred percent effective
[21:28] Speaker 4: and way better than you probably in the bedroom.
[21:31] Speaker 1: Okay, fine. Yeah, that's true.
[21:32] Speaker 3: And so like you just take that and then, you know,
[21:34] Speaker 3: so it being a pattern system of you, then it
[21:37] Speaker 3: gets to pull in all data of the human race
[21:40] Speaker 3: has ever discovered to say, how would we interview Brian Johnson?
[21:42] Speaker 3: You're like, what are all the questions that have ever
[21:44] Speaker 3: been posed? What is the story in the interline say?
[21:47] Speaker 3: What do people care about for a sentiment like information
[21:49] Speaker 3: you don't have? Like, It's a navigation app, right? They
[21:52] Speaker 3: know traffic patterns, they know streets. And so you just
[21:55] Speaker 3: start piecing these things together and that changes everything about
[21:59] Speaker 3: our existence. And you can make many of those arguments
[22:01] Speaker 3: where it's just inevitable. It's already here. Like these systems
[22:03] Speaker 3: are so good.
[22:04] Speaker 4: To, to a fault. And this is, and this is
[22:07] Speaker 4: what saves us. And eventually this will break down as well,
[22:10] Speaker 4: but I don't think it will be by 2030. You
[22:13] Speaker 4: tell me a story about a close friend who's passed away.
[22:18] Speaker 4: My ability to really formulate an empathetic response to that
[22:23] Speaker 4: cue or to that proc query, whatever you want to
[22:27] Speaker 4: call it, is intuitive to me and is going to
[22:31] Speaker 4: take some time for the robots and the AI to get...
[22:35] Speaker 4: It's just going to say, I'm sorry. Well, maybe you
[22:37] Speaker 4: will make a new friend. But it'll sound more like
[22:40] Speaker 4: a human. I don't know why I gave it a
[22:42] Speaker 4: robot voice because they just sound like us now. But
[22:44] Speaker 4: do you understand what I'm saying?
[22:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
[22:45] Speaker 4: I think there's a good amount. Now, so you believe
[22:48] Speaker 4: that there's going to be so much progress between 2025
[22:52] Speaker 4: and 2030 that 2030 will look like the third century. Now,
[22:57] Speaker 4: let me ask you the question.
[22:58] Speaker 1: No, 2025 will look like the third century.
[22:59] Speaker 4: Sorry, my bad. 2025 will look like the third century.
[23:02] Speaker 4: Why have we not had a five-year span like that
[23:05] Speaker 4: ever before? And what makes the next five years so important?
[23:08] Speaker 4: incredibly expedited.
[23:10] Speaker 3: It's our ability to increase intelligence. Like we have always
[23:14] Speaker 3: been the apex of intelligence for humans have AI now is,
[23:18] Speaker 3: you know, as smart or smarter than us in many domains.
[23:20] Speaker 3: And the rate at which it's improving is an exponential
[23:23] Speaker 3: or near exponential. Whereas we humans were right. We get
[23:27] Speaker 3: better tools, but like, you just have to like all
[23:30] Speaker 3: this to say, like, you can disagree me, disagree with
[23:32] Speaker 3: me that maybe it's not 2030, maybe it's 2035, maybe
[23:34] Speaker 3: it's 20, whatever. On the larger scale of galactic time,
[23:40] Speaker 3: it's now. So the only point I'm making is to
[23:43] Speaker 3: say change is happening insanely fast. We can't know what's happening.
[23:50] Speaker 3: Nobody knows whether they can express a positive opinion or
[23:53] Speaker 3: a negative opinion. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. So if things
[23:57] Speaker 3: are changing fast, the question is, what do we do
[24:01] Speaker 3: as a species? That is the only question in existence
[24:04] Speaker 3: that matters. Nothing else matters right now.
[24:07] Speaker 1: And your answer to the question is essentially self-preserve.
[24:09] Speaker 3: It's don't die. But see, don't die, it's a very
[24:12] Speaker 3: clever one-liner. And people are like, oh, that's kind of funny.
[24:14] Speaker 3: It's actually the most robust ideology in the world that
[24:19] Speaker 3: starts with storytelling, becomes a practical operating system, is mathematically sound,
[24:24] Speaker 3: is computationally sound, and is based in physics.
[24:26] Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you about this because I'm a
[24:29] Speaker 5: branding marketing guy.
[24:30] Speaker 1: And obviously, don't die is catchy. It's alarming.
[24:35] Speaker 5: And then when you learn it, like it's a hook
[24:37] Speaker 5: essentially with the whole ideology behind it.
[24:40] Speaker 1: It's brilliant, truly. And you know brilliance because you've done
[24:44] Speaker 1: this before. You're a businessman.
[24:46] Speaker 5: And I think that's actually where some of the haters
[24:48] Speaker 5: come for you because you have made a business out
[24:52] Speaker 5: of the lifestyle in spreading your teachings online. And although
[24:57] Speaker 5: I don't personally disagree, and it sounded like ultimately on Netflix,
[25:00] Speaker 5: like people who like– Most people thought you had the
[25:04] Speaker 5: right intentions. You are trying to help humanity. And I
[25:07] Speaker 5: think what you're doing is you're sacrificing an excessive lifestyle
[25:12] Speaker 5: that you could easily be living with all the money
[25:14] Speaker 5: you had to help preserve our species and help everyone
[25:17] Speaker 5: live longer.
[25:18] Speaker 1: But, Brian, don't die. it may feel a bit gimmicky.
[25:25] Speaker 5: So I guess my question is why not like a more,
[25:28] Speaker 5: a more positive, like, like stay alive or like, or
[25:32] Speaker 5: like live long. Like when I manifest, I avoid saying
[25:35] Speaker 5: the negative stuff. Like, like don't die. Do not die
[25:39] Speaker 5: in that. Like my, my subconscious here is not and die.
[25:44] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[25:44] Speaker 1: And, and together as a sentence, I get it. But,
[25:47] Speaker 1: but why don't die?
[25:48] Speaker 5: Did you, are you, astutely aware of the idea that
[25:53] Speaker 5: it is that kind of like punch in the face
[25:55] Speaker 5: to grab attention? And does any part of you worry
[26:00] Speaker 5: that it actually is inviting death?
[26:03] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[26:05] Speaker 3: So there's been more murder committed over fighting over whose
[26:12] Speaker 3: version of live well people should live than any other
[26:16] Speaker 3: topic on the planet. Humans murder each other trying to
[26:20] Speaker 3: resolve the differences between who is living well the best.
[26:25] Speaker 3: What else? Don't die is the most played game by
[26:31] Speaker 3: every human on the planet every second of every day.
[26:33] Speaker 3: Our zeroth order priority is to not die. Animals, their
[26:37] Speaker 3: zeroth order priority is to not die. All the biological
[26:40] Speaker 3: mass on this earth, that is the game. So what
[26:43] Speaker 3: is the most played game by all of intelligence? Plants, animals, humans?
[26:48] Speaker 4: Survival.
[26:49] Speaker 3: Don't die. It's the most played game. It's not live well.
[26:52] Speaker 3: Don't die.
[26:53] Speaker 1: I agree, but I'm not even saying live well.
[26:55] Speaker 5: I'm just saying live long or live for a stay alive.
[26:59] Speaker 1: Why not stay alive? It's the same game. It's the
[27:02] Speaker 1: same game.
[27:02] Speaker 4: Let me answer quickly one part of it. When's the
[27:06] Speaker 4: last time you saw a viral post of two dogs
[27:08] Speaker 4: licking each other's faces or two pandas hugging?
[27:11] Speaker 1: No, I get it.
[27:12] Speaker 5: What goes viral is death, murder, school fight, people burning alive.
[27:17] Speaker 1: Are you playing into that is what I'm asking.
[27:18] Speaker 3: So, yeah, what I'm saying is, so you, whatever the
[27:22] Speaker 3: solution is.
[27:22] Speaker 1: Dirty laundry.
[27:23] Speaker 3: You, like, if you give AI democracy, you're like, hey, AI,
[27:28] Speaker 3: implement democracy as our way to help humans cooperate. Democracy
[27:32] Speaker 3: is a very subjective thing. You have to decide this
[27:35] Speaker 3: or that. There's no clear lines. You have these basic
[27:37] Speaker 3: concepts in the constitution, but it's very subjective. Don't die
[27:42] Speaker 3: is mathematical. It's based on physics. You can quantify it.
[27:47] Speaker 3: Does a thing die or not? That's what I've tried
[27:49] Speaker 3: to do with my body. And so the reason why
[27:51] Speaker 3: don't die is important is you have to create an
[27:52] Speaker 3: ideology in the world that you can't just use as
[27:55] Speaker 3: a storytelling mechanism. You have to apply math and computation
[28:00] Speaker 3: And physics.
[28:01] Speaker 1: But couldn't you do that with stay alive?
[28:03] Speaker 3: You can't.
[28:04] Speaker 2: Why?
[28:04] Speaker 3: It's not as reducible as a computational methodology.
[28:08] Speaker 5: Okay, so like if I'm walking on a tightrope over
[28:13] Speaker 5: a canyon and I'm trying to preserve myself, what's more
[28:20] Speaker 5: effective as I'm walking on that tightrope?
[28:23] Speaker 1: Me going, don't die, don't die, don't die, don't die,
[28:25] Speaker 1: or stay alive. Stay alive. And I don't know the answer.
[28:28] Speaker 3: To the question.
[28:32] Speaker 5: I guess you're clearly eliciting a fear response. And fear
[28:38] Speaker 5: keeps animals alive.
[28:39] Speaker 1: It does. You're hitting on an instinctual feeling.
[28:43] Speaker 4: I mean, it keeps humans alive, too.
[28:44] Speaker 1: Well, we're animals.
[28:45] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[28:46] Speaker 4: But I just mean people didn't stop smoking... Until they
[28:54] Speaker 4: found out that it was killing them, right? So they
[28:58] Speaker 4: stopped smoking cigarettes because they didn't want to die. Like
[29:02] Speaker 4: people didn't say, oh, I'm going to put down the
[29:03] Speaker 4: Newports this month because I'm going to stay alive. People
[29:07] Speaker 4: don't want to die. So I can relate and understand.
[29:12] Speaker 4: I stopped doing heroin and smoking crack because I didn't
[29:15] Speaker 4: want to die. I knew I was going to die.
[29:16] Speaker 4: It was not that I wanted to stay alive. I
[29:18] Speaker 4: wasn't trying to preserve my life. I was trying not
[29:20] Speaker 4: to die.
[29:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, makes sense.
[29:21] Speaker 4: So I get it.
[29:22] Speaker 1: Hey, I'm yielding. I'm yielding.
[29:24] Speaker 4: No, but I also don't.
[29:26] Speaker 3: It's just a guy asking questions. Staying alive is fine.
[29:29] Speaker 3: You can say a positive frame. It's just not as measurable.
[29:34] Speaker 3: You want something that is absolutely quantitatively robust. You want
[29:38] Speaker 3: it to be based in math. and staying alive is
[29:41] Speaker 3: not based upon it, right? It's like some unknown horizon,
[29:43] Speaker 3: whereas die is extremely numerical.
[29:47] Speaker 4: Oh, oh. So when you guys talk about your rate
[29:49] Speaker 4: of death, which is a very measurable, uh, quantitative rate
[29:54] Speaker 4: of aging data, you're, you're.
[29:56] Speaker 3: Going to like, so like the, the ultimate boss. Of
[30:00] Speaker 3: the universe. Is entropy. The ultimate boss.
[30:05] Speaker 1: The exchange of heat?
[30:06] Speaker 3: Thermodynamics, yeah. So you're looking at the dissipate... The loss
[30:11] Speaker 3: of order in the universe, right? The universe is a...
[30:13] Speaker 3: You could basically calculate how much energy is in the universe.
[30:16] Speaker 3: Energy keeps us existing. Over time, the universe is going
[30:19] Speaker 3: to have zero energy. Over a certain duration of time.
[30:22] Speaker 3: There'll be nothing here to play with. Existence can't exist.
[30:25] Speaker 3: Existence can't happen with zero energy. And so... physicists will
[30:28] Speaker 3: probably correct me on that. Maybe that's true. But generally speaking,
[30:31] Speaker 3: we need energy source, right? And so entropy is the
[30:34] Speaker 3: final boss. And so you're trying to measure at every
[30:37] Speaker 3: point entropy. And that's why Don't Die, it maps to
[30:40] Speaker 3: the fundamental layers of physics, the fundamental layers of nature,
[30:45] Speaker 3: of our existence, all the way through mathematical models, all
[30:47] Speaker 3: the way through human storytelling. So it plays full stack
[30:51] Speaker 3: on all the abstraction layers we understand for knowledge.
[30:53] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Can you break down entropy as the final boss?
[30:55] Speaker 1: Because I thought entropy was.
[30:59] Speaker 5: Hot energy or hot air will go to cold air
[31:02] Speaker 5: it's essentially like an exchange of heat in physics yeah thermodynamics.
[31:05] Speaker 3: It's a second law so you're just looking at you're
[31:08] Speaker 3: going from order to disorder like to increase increase chaos
[31:11] Speaker 3: like okay there's this uh over time the universe is
[31:15] Speaker 3: moving towards increased disorder okay and over over eventually we'll
[31:19] Speaker 3: have nothing left in the universe it will just be
[31:21] Speaker 3: quiet yeah.
[31:22] Speaker 4: So once again gary out in tuscaloosa right now yes
[31:26] Speaker 4: first we did rich people. Now we're doing physics majors.
[31:31] Speaker 4: What can Gary do to not die? Okay. Because I
[31:35] Speaker 4: love the entropy and heat exchange and thermodynamics conversation. My father,
[31:39] Speaker 4: Michael Malek senior will love that conversation. But once again,
[31:42] Speaker 4: Gary and Tuscaloosa, these three points and let's move on
[31:46] Speaker 4: from there. Cause I want to do peptides. I want
[31:48] Speaker 4: to do all that stuff.
[31:48] Speaker 7: Right.
[31:49] Speaker 4: But eat, sleep, exercise, sorry, sorry. Diet, sleep, exercise. So let's, let's,
[31:54] Speaker 4: which I guess I said, Where do you want to start?
[31:56] Speaker 4: What is the priority?
[31:57] Speaker 3: All right, cool. So here's how, what we just talked
[31:59] Speaker 3: about maps. So it's like, okay, we all know big
[32:02] Speaker 3: stuff has happened in the planet.
[32:04] Speaker 2: Great.
[32:05] Speaker 3: Now, if you're seeing this and it makes you worried,
[32:08] Speaker 3: we say, what does someone do about this?
[32:10] Speaker 2: Right?
[32:11] Speaker 3: Most people feel powerless. Like, what am I going to do?
[32:14] Speaker 3: So I want to say, actually, we all have power.
[32:17] Speaker 3: And the reason we have power is we can make
[32:20] Speaker 3: daily decisions to not die. And the future of our
[32:23] Speaker 3: existence depends upon a big enough number of us choosing that.
[32:29] Speaker 3: So we need to save ourselves as a species. So
[32:32] Speaker 3: the goal is that Don't Die becomes the biggest ideology
[32:34] Speaker 3: in the world, the most influential ideology in the world
[32:36] Speaker 3: by 2027. The way that happens is these practical steps.
[32:39] Speaker 3: So I've tried to become the most Don't Die person
[32:42] Speaker 3: in human history, which means I'll walk you through my
[32:46] Speaker 3: health habits. But the goal is that everyone basically practices
[32:51] Speaker 3: these ethos. And the more we practice this as a species,
[32:55] Speaker 3: we start in a domino fashion. We start with personal habits.
[32:59] Speaker 3: We spread them to our companies, to our countries, to
[33:01] Speaker 3: the planet. So let me give you an example. So
[33:05] Speaker 3: when you go to bed on time, right, you're basically
[33:07] Speaker 3: giving your body the capacity to heal itself and repair
[33:10] Speaker 3: your slowing down your speed of aging. You can start
[33:12] Speaker 3: with yourself. You can then bridge to your family. You
[33:14] Speaker 3: can then bridge to your community. You can then bridge
[33:16] Speaker 3: to the world. So the goal here is that we
[33:18] Speaker 3: feel power in these actions. And I'll walk through these.
[33:21] Speaker 3: this is why it's all connected is you can be
[33:24] Speaker 3: a warrior in this cause of the species through actions
[33:29] Speaker 3: you can take on a daily basis like what though
[33:32] Speaker 3: okay so let's start with sleep okay so sleep is
[33:35] Speaker 3: the most powerful drug available to anybody like by far
[33:39] Speaker 3: the most powerful drug and so to to demonstrate this
[33:42] Speaker 3: i achieved the best sleep score in human history i
[33:44] Speaker 3: experimented a hundred different things so there's five habits you
[33:48] Speaker 3: want to do for sleep so one is you need
[33:50] Speaker 3: to map your identity, your sleep, is you are a
[33:53] Speaker 3: professional sleeper. So in the same way, like we scheduled
[33:56] Speaker 3: a podcast today, we met up today, like we agree,
[34:00] Speaker 3: we show up on time, we behave a certain way.
[34:02] Speaker 3: But when you think about sleep, you push it around, right?
[34:05] Speaker 3: If you're towards your bedtime, you're like, ah, I want
[34:06] Speaker 3: to watch a show or I want to hang out
[34:08] Speaker 3: with friends or I want to like, you just like
[34:09] Speaker 3: push it around however you want. You have to show
[34:11] Speaker 3: up on time and treat it that seriously, like you
[34:13] Speaker 3: would your job. Number two is your final meal of
[34:16] Speaker 3: the day matters a lot. So I eat my final
[34:18] Speaker 3: meal of the day nine hours before bed.
[34:20] Speaker 1: Amazing.
[34:21] Speaker 3: And I do that because my body completes digestion. And
[34:24] Speaker 3: so then when I hit my head, it's a pillow.
[34:25] Speaker 3: My resting heart rate's 44. And when it's that low,
[34:28] Speaker 3: I'm going to have a perfect night's sleep.
[34:30] Speaker 4: You reverse fast from what I am taking in comparatively
[34:35] Speaker 4: to the other intermittents in the world, like myself, who
[34:39] Speaker 4: wakes up and does not eat until 3 p.m.
[34:41] Speaker 1: No, you do something kind of similar.
[34:43] Speaker 4: No, no, no, no. He eats 5 a.m.? Yeah, like
[34:44] Speaker 4: 6 to 11 a.m.
[34:48] Speaker 1: Oh, you do?
[34:49] Speaker 3: And then I fast from there. Then I go to
[34:50] Speaker 3: bed at 8.30.
[34:51] Speaker 1: Aren't you hungry?
[34:53] Speaker 3: I'm accustomed to it now. I was hungry before.
[34:56] Speaker 1: Being hungry sucks, dude. That's going to be a tough
[34:58] Speaker 1: hurdle for a lot of people.
[35:00] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[35:01] Speaker 4: But have you accomplished, and also I guess I can
[35:03] Speaker 4: give this back to you and Gary. have you accomplished
[35:06] Speaker 4: by the time your food starts to wear off and
[35:10] Speaker 4: you start to become hungry, the majority of your critical
[35:13] Speaker 4: tasks for the day? Meaning my system is kind of
[35:16] Speaker 4: fucked because I've got to take calls, I've got to
[35:18] Speaker 4: do emails, I've got to work on an empty stomach,
[35:21] Speaker 4: not eating until 2 or 3 p.m. He's already moved
[35:23] Speaker 4: through all of his critical tasks for the day by
[35:26] Speaker 4: the time he starts getting hungry around 6 o'clock. And
[35:28] Speaker 4: at that point, the only thing you're going to be
[35:29] Speaker 4: focused on is going to sleep.
[35:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, so people do not need to do what I'm doing.
[35:33] Speaker 3: I'm on the extreme side.
[35:34] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[35:34] Speaker 3: So people can just simply start with a basic one
[35:37] Speaker 3: of two hours. So if your bedtime is 10, just
[35:39] Speaker 3: be finished eating by 8. Okay.
[35:41] Speaker 1: That's great. We can do that.
[35:43] Speaker 4: Not to bring up Huberman because I don't know if
[35:45] Speaker 4: you guys are the same side or competitors or whatever,
[35:48] Speaker 4: but he has a rule that's like, is it 4-3-2-1,
[35:50] Speaker 4: 3-2-1 something? It's no food, then it's no liquids, then
[35:55] Speaker 4: it's no screens, and then it's no lights or something.
[35:59] Speaker 4: I don't know. What is that here?
[36:00] Speaker 3: Something of that nature. You probably hate them and want
[36:03] Speaker 3: to fight them. No, it's fine. So what you want
[36:07] Speaker 3: to do is you want to– so every time you
[36:10] Speaker 3: hear advice, ignore advice and just measure. So what you're
[36:14] Speaker 3: trying to do is you're trying to drive down your
[36:17] Speaker 3: resting heart rate. That is the single strongest predictor of
[36:20] Speaker 3: your sleep quality. What is your resting heart rate?
[36:24] Speaker 2: 44.
[36:25] Speaker 4: At night or generally?
[36:26] Speaker 3: When I lay down to go to sleep, it's 44.
[36:28] Speaker 4: What about right now?
[36:30] Speaker 3: Probably 52.
[36:30] Speaker 4: And can we test it?
[36:32] Speaker 1: Sure. Um, uh, I, I watched your workout routine.
[36:36] Speaker 5: Have you considered upping your cardio to potentially get that
[36:39] Speaker 5: resting heart rate lower?
[36:41] Speaker 4: Yes.
[36:41] Speaker 1: I have a, I have a pretty solid resting heart rate. It's,
[36:43] Speaker 1: it's like 39, 40. Yeah. And I do it. I
[36:46] Speaker 1: do a lot of cardio and I feel like it
[36:48] Speaker 1: has to be related somehow.
[36:50] Speaker 4: Yep.
[36:50] Speaker 1: I agree.
[36:51] Speaker 3: That's so like that 39 to 40 is perfect, right?
[36:54] Speaker 3: It's elite. It's elite level.
[36:56] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[36:56] Speaker 3: It's like, Yeah, it's spot on. So good job.
[36:59] Speaker 1: What do you use to measure your sleep?
[37:02] Speaker 3: Whoop and eight sleep.
[37:03] Speaker 1: Eight sleep is nice.
[37:04] Speaker 3: It's very nice.
[37:05] Speaker 1: Because it also cools your bed.
[37:07] Speaker 4: Yes.
[37:07] Speaker 5: And as you mentioned earlier, you're five degrees lower than
[37:11] Speaker 5: the average person, but also the surface on what you're sleeping,
[37:15] Speaker 5: if it's colder, it can cool your body temperature.
[37:17] Speaker 1: Totally. Provides for better sleep, correct?
[37:18] Speaker 3: And then when you go to hotels and you don't
[37:20] Speaker 3: have a cooled bed, oh man, it sucks.
[37:22] Speaker 1: I got to make the room cold.
[37:23] Speaker 3: Yeah, same. I go the lowest number possible.
[37:26] Speaker 1: I was going to say, how low are you like
[37:27] Speaker 1: sleeping in hotel rooms?
[37:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, the lowest the thermostat will go.
[37:30] Speaker 1: Probably like 65. Yeah, exactly.
[37:32] Speaker 3: 64 is like typically most hotels.
[37:33] Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
[37:35] Speaker 1: Okay.
[37:35] Speaker 7: Okay.
[37:35] Speaker 1: Okay. So sleep and the diet is an easy one.
[37:38] Speaker 4: Well, no. You just breeze through.
[37:40] Speaker 1: So start, yeah.
[37:41] Speaker 3: Number two is the last meal. So just start with
[37:43] Speaker 3: two hours.
[37:43] Speaker 4: Okay.
[37:44] Speaker 3: And then go to three. Then go to four. Then
[37:46] Speaker 3: go to five. Just test it out.
[37:47] Speaker 1: I see.
[37:48] Speaker 3: And you'll find that you'll get accustomed. Like you might say,
[37:51] Speaker 3: I'm really hungry.
[37:52] Speaker 1: I hate this.
[37:52] Speaker 3: In a few days you might be like, God, this
[37:54] Speaker 3: is amazing. Like, I actually love how I feel. Cause
[37:56] Speaker 3: you wake up in the morning, you're like, best I've
[37:58] Speaker 3: felt never. So you want, but you want to drive
[38:00] Speaker 3: down your resting heart rate. If you eat before bed,
[38:03] Speaker 3: your resting heart rate is going to be up by 20, 30%.
[38:05] Speaker 3: Your sleep's going to go down 20, 30%.
[38:08] Speaker 5: You know, you know what I, uh, an analogy I
[38:11] Speaker 5: heard that I, you're the expert on all this stuff. Uh, I'm,
[38:15] Speaker 5: and part of the reason why I'm so interested in
[38:17] Speaker 5: what you do is cause like, I, I do like
[38:19] Speaker 5: a similar, like versions of this.
[38:22] Speaker 1: Um, A low resting heart rate, essentially.
[38:26] Speaker 5: Someone equated it to me as like driving a car.
[38:32] Speaker 5: And if you put shitty gasoline and your car is
[38:35] Speaker 5: always running like the engine's working all the time, or
[38:38] Speaker 5: if you're on the opposite end, if your heart is
[38:43] Speaker 5: beating less for longer by the time you're 40, 50
[38:47] Speaker 5: years old, if your heart is essentially on idle- For
[38:51] Speaker 5: most of your life, it's going to be a more
[38:53] Speaker 5: efficient heart and be able to keep you alive longer
[38:55] Speaker 5: because it's beaded 200,000 times less than the normal person.
[39:00] Speaker 3: Exactly right. If you look at these power laws where,
[39:03] Speaker 3: I read a book where something like mammals get a
[39:07] Speaker 3: billion heartbeats. That's what they get. And so you're just
[39:11] Speaker 3: spending down life with heartbeats. So I haven't seen the
[39:13] Speaker 3: exact science. I just know as a power law that
[39:17] Speaker 3: you can look across species and see this. So it
[39:19] Speaker 3: makes sense if you're If your heart rate is lower,
[39:22] Speaker 3: if your body temperature is lower, if you're burning cooler,
[39:26] Speaker 3: it makes sense, right? The body's going to sustain itself longer.
[39:29] Speaker 3: If you're burning hot and fast, you're going to burn
[39:32] Speaker 3: through life faster. Now, again, there's some exceptions in the science,
[39:36] Speaker 3: but generally speaking, that is exactly right.
[39:37] Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it makes sense.
[39:41] Speaker 5: But what are some ways to then lower your heart
[39:43] Speaker 5: rate besides not eating.
[39:45] Speaker 1: Three, four, five hours?
[39:46] Speaker 3: Yeah. Now we have this principle established of... people who
[39:49] Speaker 3: don't have a wearable tonight, when you go to bed,
[39:51] Speaker 3: this is the example, just simply measure your heart rate.
[39:54] Speaker 3: So put your fingers up to your neck here or
[39:57] Speaker 3: your wrist and just see where you're at as a baseline.
[40:00] Speaker 3: And then start with your two hours before bed, then three,
[40:03] Speaker 3: then four. And you're just going to see your heart
[40:05] Speaker 3: rate drop. And as your heart rate drop, sleep's improved.
[40:08] Speaker 3: The next step is to do a wind down routine.
[40:11] Speaker 3: And so oftentimes the things that drive our heart rate
[40:13] Speaker 3: up are when we're aroused, right? When we're When we
[40:16] Speaker 3: are concerned, when we're anxious, when we're spinning through thoughts,
[40:18] Speaker 3: if we've been in a fight. So, uh, at 7
[40:22] Speaker 3: 30 PM, one hour before I go to bed, I
[40:23] Speaker 3: start my wind down routine. I do this internal dialogue
[40:26] Speaker 3: where I'll say, okay, sleep. Brian is now on duty
[40:30] Speaker 3: at 7 30. So I imagine him with like a
[40:32] Speaker 3: shield and a sword and he's like, no, you shall
[40:35] Speaker 3: not pass. And so at 7 31, ambitious Brian shows
[40:39] Speaker 3: up and he's like, I got a plan for you. Like,
[40:41] Speaker 3: I know we have this new product idea or this new,
[40:44] Speaker 3: this new concept. And Sleep Brian's like, thank you, Ambitious Brian.
[40:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, get out of here.
[40:48] Speaker 3: We love you. Like, you're a great guy.
[40:50] Speaker 1: Legit.
[40:51] Speaker 3: We're busy right now. Getting ready for bed.
[40:53] Speaker 2: Fair.
[40:54] Speaker 3: So we're going to write this down. And tomorrow, we're
[40:56] Speaker 3: going to be, like, full. Listen to your ideas. And
[40:59] Speaker 3: then I address him. Then 7.32, Anxious Brian shows up.
[41:02] Speaker 3: And he's like, goddammit, today, you know, you said that thing.
[41:05] Speaker 3: And you were such an asshole. So they probably hate you.
[41:08] Speaker 4: What about if... horny brian shows up because for a
[41:13] Speaker 4: lot of americans and everybody else on the planet nighttime
[41:17] Speaker 4: is a good time to bang it out a little
[41:19] Speaker 4: bit yeah and for some people that might arouse them
[41:22] Speaker 4: or get their heartbeat going.
[41:23] Speaker 3: Yeah great so sex i think i've seen the data
[41:26] Speaker 3: i think it has a mixed result some people do
[41:28] Speaker 3: well with it some people don't so i think yeah
[41:30] Speaker 3: like do sex like.
[41:32] Speaker 5: I i i like these uh character versions of yourself
[41:37] Speaker 5: that you do when you describe the old version of
[41:40] Speaker 5: you Which, you know, it was fascinating. You had battled depression.
[41:45] Speaker 5: You got into all these unhealthy habits. And one of
[41:47] Speaker 5: which you called, you referred to yourself as nighttime Brian
[41:50] Speaker 5: would show up. And that's when you would indulge.
[41:54] Speaker 4: Wait, wait, who's this dude, dude? I gotta hear more
[41:56] Speaker 4: about this guy.
[41:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, so tell us about nighttime Brian.
[41:58] Speaker 5: Because I think being able to identify the version of
[42:01] Speaker 5: yourself that pop in and out of your life, it's
[42:03] Speaker 5: something I've done.
[42:03] Speaker 1: I always like to play with the idea of present
[42:06] Speaker 1: self and future self.
[42:07] Speaker 4: Yes.
[42:07] Speaker 1: And the idea that I.
[42:09] Speaker 5: I want to look out for my future self. And
[42:11] Speaker 5: in order to do that, present self got to show up.
[42:13] Speaker 1: That's right. For that dude. Yes.
[42:15] Speaker 5: Because I know, like right now, 29-year-old me is very
[42:19] Speaker 5: grateful for 24-year-old Logan.
[42:20] Speaker 2: Yes.
[42:21] Speaker 5: Because he worked his ass off. And I'm looking around.
[42:23] Speaker 5: I'm like, my life's pretty good. Shout out 24-year-old me.
[42:25] Speaker 5: So I like this idea of characterizing these versions of yourself.
[42:29] Speaker 1: But tell us about Nighttime Brian.
[42:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[42:31] Speaker 3: So this is when I was depressed. I was building
[42:33] Speaker 3: my company. I was having challenges in my relationship. I
[42:35] Speaker 3: had three little babies. And so at the end of
[42:38] Speaker 3: the day... You're just worn down. You've like fought a
[42:41] Speaker 3: good fight at the company. You've put out all the fires.
[42:44] Speaker 3: You've bathed the kids. You put them to bed. And
[42:47] Speaker 3: then you've got a fight with your partner coming, right?
[42:49] Speaker 3: You're just exhausted. And so in that moment where I'm like,
[42:53] Speaker 3: I just can't take anymore, the only thing that would
[42:55] Speaker 3: soothe me would be like to eat food, right? Like, oh,
[42:58] Speaker 3: the brownies in the kitchen or the potato chips, like.
[43:00] Speaker 3: Somehow eating food to soothe my discomfort.
[43:04] Speaker 4: I'm fat. I get it. Why are you looking at me?
[43:05] Speaker 1: Well, you do that, Mike.
[43:07] Speaker 4: Well, you do too. You scumbag. No, it's sick. No,
[43:09] Speaker 4: it's good to be sick. Because you're right. What you're
[43:10] Speaker 4: describing today about all these things. I'm the healthiest person
[43:13] Speaker 4: of all time.
[43:14] Speaker 1: You drink old fashioned. Go to wherever.
[43:16] Speaker 7: I like drinking.
[43:16] Speaker 4: Whatever.
[43:16] Speaker 1: I like drinking. I like drinking.
[43:18] Speaker 4: I don't want to die, but I also don't want
[43:20] Speaker 4: to stop drinking. It's a known fact.
[43:21] Speaker 3: It's real. So then you watch the argument. So then
[43:28] Speaker 3: like evening Brian shows up, right? And he's like, look,
[43:31] Speaker 3: We've had a tough day.
[43:33] Speaker 4: How long ago is this, by the way? Just set
[43:35] Speaker 4: me in time.
[43:35] Speaker 3: Like 10 years ago.
[43:36] Speaker 4: Oh, so you've made some real fucking progress from Brownie Brian.
[43:39] Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
[43:40] Speaker 3: I mean, he was like, he was like, he was like,
[43:44] Speaker 3: you know, 40 pounds overweight, like for a 50 pounds
[43:46] Speaker 3: heavier than I am now depressed as fuck, like desperately
[43:50] Speaker 3: wanted to commit suicide.
[43:52] Speaker 4: Okay. This is really important right now that you're rooting
[43:56] Speaker 4: this story and this current approach in that person, because
[44:00] Speaker 4: I want to, there's a million things I want to
[44:01] Speaker 4: bring up on this episode. I know we only have
[44:02] Speaker 4: so much time and many people trying to speak, but
[44:05] Speaker 4: that Brian represents a lot of people in the country
[44:10] Speaker 4: and in the world right now, a lot of people
[44:12] Speaker 4: that are struggling with debt, with problems with their spouses,
[44:15] Speaker 4: with children, with chemical and imbalances and mental illnesses and
[44:21] Speaker 4: even more so some, another topic I want to talk
[44:24] Speaker 4: about lack of discipline. That is such a major part
[44:29] Speaker 4: of everything we're talking about that comes very easily to
[44:32] Speaker 4: you now. And it has always come very easily to you.
[44:34] Speaker 4: I am a representation of people that does not come
[44:37] Speaker 4: very easily to discipline for me is very, very difficult.
[44:40] Speaker 4: I am at the whim of my addiction and my,
[44:43] Speaker 4: and my desires.
[44:44] Speaker 7: Right.
[44:45] Speaker 4: So I appreciate that you brought that up for all
[44:48] Speaker 4: the people watching this. And you're proving, before we even
[44:51] Speaker 4: get that far into this episode, that you were able
[44:54] Speaker 4: to take it from that place to where you are
[44:56] Speaker 4: now in not that long of a period of time.
[44:58] Speaker 4: I'm sure you've been here for a number of years already, right?
[45:01] Speaker 4: How long have you been in this vampire state?
[45:03] Speaker 2: Four.
[45:04] Speaker 4: Four years. Yeah. So in five to six years with
[45:07] Speaker 4: discipline and proper planning, someone could pull themselves out of
[45:11] Speaker 4: that depressed state into a place where you are very healthy.
[45:14] Speaker 3: To become the healthiest person on planet Earth.
[45:16] Speaker 4: Amazing. Amazing.
[45:18] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[45:19] Speaker 3: So a few things on this. One is that– so
[45:22] Speaker 3: when Eden and Brian shows up. He is so... Sorry,
[45:25] Speaker 3: was that Indian Brian? Evening Brian.
[45:28] Speaker 1: Oh, I was like, another character.
[45:31] Speaker 4: Okay.
[45:32] Speaker 3: Sorry, I was like... So he is incredibly effective at manipulation.
[45:37] Speaker 3: Evening Brian will say, look, just tonight. Tomorrow, working out
[45:43] Speaker 3: really hard, or be like, just one. Or like, hey, look,
[45:47] Speaker 3: tough day. His arguments are so compelling. And it's like, okay,
[45:51] Speaker 3: we'll just do it. But we know that it never...
[45:54] Speaker 3: ends there, right? It's always this perpetual, always. And so
[45:57] Speaker 3: I was desperate. I tried to stop my own like
[46:00] Speaker 3: self-destructive habits for years. And so one day I was
[46:03] Speaker 3: just desperate. I was like, I wanted to commit suicide.
[46:05] Speaker 3: I was so depressed. And I said like, even Brian,
[46:08] Speaker 3: you're fired. Like you're just fucking fired. You make my
[46:13] Speaker 3: life miserable. Like you show up every night. You tell
[46:16] Speaker 3: me to do these things. I do them and I
[46:18] Speaker 3: feel awful. I can't sleep. I wake up in the morning.
[46:21] Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm grumpy. And then my willpower is low.
[46:25] Speaker 3: You're just fucking fired. So I made a rule. I said, I, Brian,
[46:28] Speaker 3: cannot eat food from 5 p.m. to 10 p.m. under
[46:32] Speaker 3: any circumstances.
[46:33] Speaker 4: No fucking excuses.
[46:34] Speaker 5: Never, ever.
[46:35] Speaker 3: If it was like between life and death, still, no,
[46:38] Speaker 3: you can't. Like no food in that window of time.
[46:40] Speaker 3: Because that was like my wonder of vulnerability. Like when
[46:44] Speaker 3: he strikes.
[46:44] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[46:45] Speaker 1: I can relate. I mean, dude, like he said it.
[46:50] Speaker 1: We used to do a ritual. Midnight ritual.
[46:53] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
[46:54] Speaker 1: The boys in the house gather around the kitchen table.
[46:57] Speaker 1: Mike would make his little cinnamon toast crunch.
[46:59] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[47:00] Speaker 1: Like peanut butter bread for us. Oh man, it's so
[47:03] Speaker 1: good though, Brian.
[47:04] Speaker 2: I know.
[47:04] Speaker 1: It's so good though, Brian.
[47:05] Speaker 5: And this I guess is where I'd like to go next.
[47:08] Speaker 5: In your Netflix documentary, I heard one woman on The View,
[47:13] Speaker 5: I think it was The View, describe your lifestyle as vapid.
[47:16] Speaker 1: Yeah. I looked up, I said vapid. I like words.
[47:17] Speaker 1: I looked it up. Vapid. Essentially it was bland.
[47:19] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[47:20] Speaker 5: And generally- I do feel like that is where I
[47:25] Speaker 5: would struggle with some of this.
[47:29] Speaker 1: I don't want to die.
[47:30] Speaker 5: I don't know if I want to stop drinking a
[47:33] Speaker 5: little alcohol here and there. It could be because I
[47:37] Speaker 5: think I fear the bland lifestyle more than I fear death.
[47:41] Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people agree with that.
[47:45] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[47:46] Speaker 3: So if you.
[47:50] Speaker 3: This is an exercise of introspection of trying to find
[47:54] Speaker 3: out where we all might be NPCs. And so in
[48:01] Speaker 3: this moment, like we're expressing a viewpoint of reality to say,
[48:04] Speaker 3: I have this temporary sensation of pleasure by doing this thing.
[48:09] Speaker 3: After that thing, I regret it.
[48:13] Speaker 2: Right.
[48:13] Speaker 4: Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes.
[48:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So like, it's just like part of
[48:18] Speaker 3: our social cultural thing. But basically what we're saying is, um,
[48:22] Speaker 3: behind all this we say we're all gonna die anyways
[48:24] Speaker 3: yep therefore we might as well right like that's.
[48:30] Speaker 5: No no so that's like that that's where i'm some
[48:33] Speaker 5: people he's right for some for some people he's certainly
[48:35] Speaker 5: right i mean yeah i guess for me it's not
[48:38] Speaker 5: even like i'm not even there i'm just like sometimes
[48:42] Speaker 5: i try to just be present yeah and there's value
[48:45] Speaker 5: in that and sometimes in the present moment i'm at
[48:48] Speaker 5: a social event that i don't want to fucking talk
[48:50] Speaker 5: to anyone so.
[48:51] Speaker 1: Maybe a little espresso martini.
[48:53] Speaker 5: Loosens me up a little bit and I'm capable of
[48:54] Speaker 5: being social. You mentioned it, you know it. It is
[48:57] Speaker 5: a social behavior. And I've heard you talk about alcohol
[49:00] Speaker 5: being kind of ingrained in our culture. But dude, it's
[49:02] Speaker 5: not just our culture. Alcohol is like, almost goes hand
[49:06] Speaker 5: in hand with humanity. It's a part of our species.
[49:09] Speaker 5: We've always drank alcohol. And some people, like me especially,
[49:13] Speaker 5: use it as as, as a social tool.
[49:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[49:16] Speaker 4: And I guess just like, it's so bad for you.
[49:20] Speaker 1: I know it's bad.
[49:21] Speaker 4: No, no, no. I think the evidence is coming out
[49:23] Speaker 4: more now than ever. It's like, once again, sorry to
[49:26] Speaker 4: bring up your mortal enemy Huberman, but I'm just creating
[49:28] Speaker 4: this fucking, I was listening to Huberman recently and he
[49:33] Speaker 4: was talking about that, that even one, cause you know,
[49:36] Speaker 4: you always talk about like one drink, it's just one drink,
[49:39] Speaker 4: you know? And if you hold yourself to that, to
[49:41] Speaker 4: be completely honest with you, you're probably fine. But even
[49:44] Speaker 4: one drink has such an effect on your cortisol. Uh,
[49:48] Speaker 4: release something that speeds the heart rate.
[49:51] Speaker 7: Right.
[49:52] Speaker 4: And so you, if you have a drink, two drinks
[49:54] Speaker 4: and you measure your heartbeat afterwards, you're going to notice
[49:57] Speaker 4: a pretty serious effect on your heartbeat and your heart rate.
[50:00] Speaker 1: By the way, this is current day. Logan saying this
[50:03] Speaker 1: I'm positive that when I'm mature and I start to realize, oh, Oopsies.
[50:08] Speaker 4: Dog, you're pushing 40.
[50:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, basically.
[50:11] Speaker 4: Like, when are you going to mature? No, I know.
[50:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, no. I will stop drinking alcohol. I'm positive. There
[50:17] Speaker 1: will be a point where I stop.
[50:19] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[50:19] Speaker 1: But right now, I'm speaking for the people who don't
[50:21] Speaker 1: want to do all that.
[50:22] Speaker 3: So, like, I guess in short, let's map out to 2030, 2035, 2040.
[50:29] Speaker 3: When you do things, like when you drink alcohol or
[50:31] Speaker 3: when you, you know, gorge, binge eat at night.
[50:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[50:35] Speaker 3: There's a calculation of how much you're actually dying. You
[50:40] Speaker 3: could actually look at the actual molecular interactions in your
[50:43] Speaker 3: body and you could assign a die score. It lessens sleep,
[50:48] Speaker 3: it causes damage in the body. So there's actually a quantitative,
[50:51] Speaker 3: you're paying with life points. Now we say, well, I
[50:55] Speaker 3: feel good or I'm just having a little good time. Whatever,
[50:59] Speaker 3: just replace words with math and say that you're paying
[51:03] Speaker 3: down life blank. We know like smoking one cigarette One
[51:06] Speaker 3: cigarette costs you 11 minutes of life. That's right.
[51:10] Speaker 4: And would you say it's about the same for vaping?
[51:13] Speaker 4: Or is it somewhere in like probably a little bit less,
[51:16] Speaker 4: but it still costs you something?
[51:18] Speaker 3: I'm trying to apply it to the current. Yeah, you
[51:19] Speaker 3: can take, yeah, it's like cigarettes are pretty well studied.
[51:22] Speaker 3: So it's a nice baseline to say, roughly speaking, actually
[51:25] Speaker 3: I read a paper last week that said one cigarette
[51:27] Speaker 3: is 20 minutes of life. Okay, so if we say like, okay,
[51:31] Speaker 3: there's a baseline of we can calculate death. Now you say, okay,
[51:34] Speaker 3: for a kid who eats a school lunch in America,
[51:38] Speaker 3: piece of pizza, chocolate milk, whatever, what is the die
[51:41] Speaker 3: score at the school lunch? The school is feeding them.
[51:44] Speaker 3: So we say kids can't smoke, but we feed them die.
[51:51] Speaker 3: The stuff they're eating.
[51:52] Speaker 1: Like red dye, like in Gatorade?
[51:56] Speaker 3: I see where you're going.
[51:57] Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying because Prime doesn't have red dots.
[52:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
[52:01] Speaker 1: One gram of sugar.
[52:02] Speaker 3: And so what we found is that the global food
[52:04] Speaker 3: supply is actually horrifyingly dirty.
[52:10] Speaker 1: Contaminated. Yeah, for sure.
[52:11] Speaker 3: We know it's bad, but seeing the data was just
[52:15] Speaker 3: absolutely terrifying. And so I started testing all these things.
[52:19] Speaker 3: I was like, wait a second. Labels are not right.
[52:21] Speaker 3: Food is toxic as fuck. Everyone's lying. It is bad.
[52:26] Speaker 1: Is it an FDA problem?
[52:27] Speaker 3: Well, there's no one regulating it, right?
[52:28] Speaker 1: Well, it should be the FDA or RFK.
[52:32] Speaker 3: I mean, like whatever role they are not playing, it's
[52:35] Speaker 3: a bad situation. So we start sourcing all of our
[52:38] Speaker 3: own foods, doing all the testing. So everything that comes
[52:40] Speaker 3: to me is run through this process of source test
[52:45] Speaker 3: in my body because these contaminants make you die. And
[52:49] Speaker 3: so that's why I think we're successful in like being
[52:51] Speaker 3: best in the world. Cause nobody does this. Nobody does
[52:54] Speaker 3: full stack testing. No one does full stack sourcing. And
[52:57] Speaker 3: then also all the therapies on top. So that's like,
[53:00] Speaker 3: when we talk about like, how do you do it
[53:01] Speaker 3: at a molecular level? That's what we're trying to do.
[53:04] Speaker 1: What are you willing to drink besides water?
[53:08] Speaker 7: Water?
[53:09] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[53:09] Speaker 3: So like that water we got from my tap that
[53:11] Speaker 3: you were drinking.
[53:12] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[53:13] Speaker 3: So like, so the air in this house, you'll have that.
[53:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[53:16] Speaker 3: Like the air is perfect. So we have, we have
[53:18] Speaker 3: purifiers in every room. There you go. Breathe it in.
[53:20] Speaker 1: Wow.
[53:21] Speaker 4: That's good air.
[53:22] Speaker 3: There you go. Every room is monitored. Every room has
[53:25] Speaker 3: two or three air filters, but it's measured 24-7. And
[53:29] Speaker 3: the water, same. So it's tested by, I think it's
[53:32] Speaker 3: over 100 different levels we assess. So we try to
[53:36] Speaker 3: make this environment as optimal as possible at every single metric.
[53:40] Speaker 4: Oh, we've got a readout right here. Oh, yeah.
[53:42] Speaker 1: Let's see what it is.
[53:43] Speaker 4: How much nitrogen is in the air right now?
[53:46] Speaker 3: The one you want to look at is PM 2.5.
[53:48] Speaker 3: That's like one of the- Parts per million.
[53:51] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[53:51] Speaker 3: It's a particulate matter size. Particulate matter size.
[53:53] Speaker 1: And what is that egg exactly?
[53:55] Speaker 3: So this is an air filter. It measures for nine
[53:57] Speaker 3: different things in air. You want to take a peek
[53:59] Speaker 3: at it? Yes. So like, for example, the WHO, the
[54:03] Speaker 3: World Health Organization, says a level of five of PM
[54:06] Speaker 3: 2.5 is safe. So we're hovering around three right now, which-
[54:09] Speaker 3: Ultra safe. By that point, it's basically zero. The accuracy
[54:13] Speaker 3: is a few points, so it's probably zero.
[54:15] Speaker 4: Why do you live in Los Angeles? Maybe air is
[54:18] Speaker 4: not the main priority to you, but where the air
[54:20] Speaker 4: quality is pretty frigging low.
[54:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bad. Yeah, that's why we maintain such pristine air.
[54:24] Speaker 3: Why I'm in California is a different question. Okay, fair. Yeah,
[54:28] Speaker 3: we deal with it.
[54:29] Speaker 4: Okay, you brought me the egg, the particular matter egg.
[54:35] Speaker 4: I look around, I see this army of associates, confidants, consiglieres,
[54:42] Speaker 4: you know, people that you work alongside. And now I
[54:45] Speaker 4: want to revisit this question about you going from depressed evening, Brian,
[54:51] Speaker 4: in six years to where you are now and ask
[54:54] Speaker 4: you this question. Are you a isolated experiment because of
[55:02] Speaker 4: your access to wealth? because maybe gary and tuscaloosa can't
[55:07] Speaker 4: do this because you don't have that 300 m's sitting
[55:10] Speaker 4: in his fucking chase account to buy particular matter eggs.
[55:13] Speaker 3: Yeah yeah so yeah we should probably get to like
[55:17] Speaker 3: really practical advice right now because people people are like
[55:20] Speaker 3: look man just tell me what to do we're scaring
[55:21] Speaker 3: people off yeah let's just like let's just go tell
[55:23] Speaker 3: me what to do okay so let me finish the
[55:25] Speaker 3: sleep thing then we'll talk about this but like We're
[55:28] Speaker 3: starting with sleep to say most powerful things first. Sleep,
[55:31] Speaker 3: most powerful.
[55:32] Speaker 2: Okay.
[55:32] Speaker 3: So you're a professional sleeper. You're eating two hours before bedtime.
[55:36] Speaker 3: You're moving back. You have a wind down routine. Now,
[55:39] Speaker 3: the reason you have a wind down routine, you're trying
[55:40] Speaker 3: to drive down your heart rate. If you put your
[55:43] Speaker 3: head on the pillow and you're still upset, right, you're
[55:45] Speaker 3: rolling through your thoughts and you can't go to sleep.
[55:48] Speaker 3: Then you wake up, you're rolling through your thoughts.
[55:50] Speaker 4: How late are you putting down this horrible device?
[55:54] Speaker 1: Exactly.
[55:54] Speaker 4: And how early are you picking it up?
[55:55] Speaker 3: Like an hour, 30 minutes to an hour. Put it down,
[55:57] Speaker 3: like screens off. It's like read a book, breath work, meditate,
[56:01] Speaker 3: hang out with a friend, chill. But you need to
[56:04] Speaker 3: like calm your body down, like do the thing. So
[56:07] Speaker 3: it's shown that like reading a book or meditating is
[56:10] Speaker 3: as good as a sleep med. They're very powerful.
[56:14] Speaker 1: So like you wouldn't say like go watch Squid Games?
[56:16] Speaker 3: Right.
[56:17] Speaker 4: Really?
[56:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're getting like photons in your eyeballs,
[56:21] Speaker 3: probably blue light. So you can test it. When I
[56:25] Speaker 3: watch TV before I go to bed, I sleep worse. Now,
[56:28] Speaker 3: you can test it, see maybe you're different than I am.
[56:30] Speaker 3: But you just want to calm down. So that's three.
[56:33] Speaker 3: Number four is light. So eliminate blues. We know that
[56:36] Speaker 3: blue lights are bad. So have amber and red. That
[56:39] Speaker 3: little lamp right here, we use somewhere. We turn that on,
[56:42] Speaker 3: and we have red light in the house. And then
[56:44] Speaker 3: five is you want to be consistent. So the body
[56:47] Speaker 3: loves routine. The body's clock is so accurate.
[56:50] Speaker 1: Yep.
[56:51] Speaker 3: So 8.30 p.m. is when I was going to bed.
[56:52] Speaker 3: When I was getting my 100% sleep score, I was
[56:55] Speaker 3: in bed within one minute. Like that precise. And it
[56:58] Speaker 3: was like, I almost felt like a baby where babies
[57:01] Speaker 3: just like lay down and they're just out. Like, and
[57:03] Speaker 3: they're so deep. My body was able to generate the systems.
[57:07] Speaker 3: It just put me out. So I'd be asleep within
[57:10] Speaker 3: two to three minutes. I am now anyways, but.
[57:11] Speaker 1: Two to three minutes? Oh yeah.
[57:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, guaranteed.
[57:14] Speaker 4: I'm the same too. The second my head had spilled.
[57:18] Speaker 4: Do you dream? Yeah.
[57:20] Speaker 1: Damn.
[57:21] Speaker 4: Do you dream?
[57:22] Speaker 1: Sometimes.
[57:23] Speaker 4: I don't. I haven't had a dream. I think that's
[57:24] Speaker 4: just a representation of how bad my sleep is probably. Yeah.
[57:27] Speaker 3: Do you have a measure? Do you know?
[57:28] Speaker 4: No, but I should get one. I fear measurements because
[57:30] Speaker 4: I know how badly.
[57:32] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[57:32] Speaker 5: So you actually, it's a valid concern.
[57:35] Speaker 1: Nina's the same way.
[57:37] Speaker 4: I'm working on it. He's way ahead of me. I'm
[57:40] Speaker 4: working on some stuff. As I mentioned to you before,
[57:42] Speaker 4: I'm just taking a little bit longer.
[57:44] Speaker 1: Okay.
[57:44] Speaker 3: So the quick summary is you want, so here's what
[57:48] Speaker 3: you want for sleep. When you put your head on
[57:49] Speaker 3: the pillow, asleep within two or three minutes, you want
[57:52] Speaker 3: two hours of REM, two hours of deep, two plus,
[57:54] Speaker 3: two plus of REM, two plus of deep. You want
[57:56] Speaker 3: to be up for less than 30 minutes a night.
[58:00] Speaker 3: And if you hit those stats, like you're banging it out.
[58:02] Speaker 3: That's like early 20s.
[58:03] Speaker 1: How about this? Because I know you know about this.
[58:05] Speaker 1: What if you got to go pee?
[58:06] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[58:06] Speaker 1: I'm a guy who got to pee.
[58:07] Speaker 3: How many times?
[58:08] Speaker 1: Dude, sometimes twice a night.
[58:09] Speaker 2: Okay.
[58:10] Speaker 3: So try two things. One is move your fluid intake back.
[58:13] Speaker 1: Yeah. That always, yeah. That always helps.
[58:15] Speaker 4: Yep.
[58:16] Speaker 3: And then two is try to mineralize your water. So-
[58:19] Speaker 3: Like if you have electrolytes or a tea. So that
[58:22] Speaker 3: does help. If you drink pure water, sometimes it can
[58:25] Speaker 3: increase urination. So push it back and mineralize your water.
[58:28] Speaker 4: Amazing.
[58:29] Speaker 3: So you should really, one should be max.
[58:31] Speaker 4: Okay.
[58:32] Speaker 3: If it's more than one, then you definitely, it's too
[58:34] Speaker 3: much interruptions. Can I ask you about the hyperbaric chamber?
[58:37] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[58:38] Speaker 1: Do you have one?
[58:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[58:39] Speaker 3: We should go look at it. It's in the garage there.
[58:40] Speaker 1: Is it a hard tank? And are you often using that?
[58:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, we just, So hyperbaric's been one thing for us
[58:48] Speaker 3: where the evidence is interesting, but we wanted to put
[58:50] Speaker 3: it to the test. So we just implemented a protocol
[58:52] Speaker 3: where I measured 50 different biomarkers. I'm completing it next week,
[58:56] Speaker 3: 40 sessions. So the protocol is two atmospheres on 90-minute sessions.
[59:02] Speaker 3: So 100% oxygen for 20 minutes, off for five minutes.
[59:05] Speaker 3: And so I'll be done next week. And then we're
[59:08] Speaker 3: measuring 50 different things.
[59:09] Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so excited.
[59:10] Speaker 1: Eager to see how that is.
[59:11] Speaker 3: It increased my maximum heart rate by 20%.
[59:15] Speaker 1: Which is good.
[59:16] Speaker 3: Yes.
[59:17] Speaker 1: Your maximum heart... Oh, oh my God.
[59:20] Speaker 3: 20%.
[59:20] Speaker 1: Oh my God. Exactly. It's insane.
[59:21] Speaker 5: So in my wellness studies, I found that the hyperbaric
[59:26] Speaker 5: is one of the top. I'd put it in the
[59:28] Speaker 5: top three most important things in terms of recovery, sleep, energy,
[59:34] Speaker 5: even in training camps, hyperbaric chamber, three times a week.
[59:40] Speaker 3: I haven't seen the data yet. We're going to see
[59:41] Speaker 3: the data in a few weeks. We measure next week.
[59:44] Speaker 3: I subjectively am with you. I'm surprised at how effective
[59:48] Speaker 3: it's been.
[59:49] Speaker 1: I'm surprised it's taken this long for you to do that.
[59:55] Speaker 1: Hyperbaric's been around for a minute.
[59:57] Speaker 3: The evidence is not very clear.
[59:58] Speaker 4: I feel like he waits for like very strong data,
[1:00:01] Speaker 4: like sleep, diet and exercise have been proven so many times.
[1:00:04] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:00:05] Speaker 3: Yeah. It's like we have to show we have to,
[1:00:08] Speaker 3: it has meaningful effect because I, when you become optimized,
[1:00:11] Speaker 3: it is so hard for me to move the needle
[1:00:13] Speaker 3: for myself now, like these therapies.
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
[1:00:16] Speaker 4: And so, yeah, but then wouldn't it be, since you've
[1:00:18] Speaker 4: already taken advantage of all the major swings, wouldn't it
[1:00:21] Speaker 4: only be these therapies that are left? Exactly.
[1:00:24] Speaker 3: So that's why we're trying to do it in a
[1:00:25] Speaker 3: rigorous way. But even like whole body skin rejuvenation, like
[1:00:28] Speaker 3: even a lot of females, I mean, all people want
[1:00:31] Speaker 3: nice skin.
[1:00:31] Speaker 1: Like PRP?
[1:00:33] Speaker 3: No, so like HBOT regenerates collagen, elastin fibers. It does
[1:00:38] Speaker 3: full body. It's actually one of the best skin care
[1:00:42] Speaker 3: therapies anybody can do. People think of creams or laser treatments.
[1:00:47] Speaker 3: HBOT is one of the most powerful skin therapies anybody
[1:00:49] Speaker 3: can do.
[1:00:49] Speaker 1: You're saying HBOT? Hyperbaric.
[1:00:53] Speaker 3: Oh, really?
[1:00:56] Speaker 4: At some point, I was going to ask you about
[1:00:58] Speaker 4: your moisturizer routine because you have very shiny, nice skin.
[1:01:02] Speaker 4: But if you want to go with the chamber for now. Okay,
[1:01:04] Speaker 4: let's move on to diet, which obviously in this here
[1:01:07] Speaker 4: country is a major problem that we're currently talking about
[1:01:11] Speaker 4: a lot because of this new administration that's coming in.
[1:01:13] Speaker 4: No more Froot Loops. Run us through your points.
[1:01:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:01:18] Speaker 3: Okay. Let me think about this.
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: You okay? Want to hop in the H-Bot?
[1:01:25] Speaker 4: I just got to stop eating too many cheeseburgers. Wait.
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: Would you, though? You're opening up a burger shop.
[1:01:30] Speaker 4: I know, but now I'm thinking about doing maybe burgers
[1:01:32] Speaker 4: made of pine cones.
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: No, you shouldn't. You shouldn't, because I would still eat
[1:01:36] Speaker 1: your burger, bro. It's a 10 out of 10 burger.
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: It's so good. I know, but when I sit with him,
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: when I sit with him, I won't do it.
[1:01:41] Speaker 4: I've been thinking about the idea of maybe living, as
[1:01:43] Speaker 4: opposed to just continuously dying.
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: Okay, all right.
[1:01:47] Speaker 5: So how much will Mike's burger take off your life? What's,
[1:01:49] Speaker 5: what's the, what's the 10, 10 burger don't die score.
[1:01:52] Speaker 4: I'll give you really quick.
[1:01:52] Speaker 1: If it's like, if it's like a couple of days,
[1:01:54] Speaker 1: like I'm eating that fucking burger.
[1:01:55] Speaker 4: Okay. So it's two, obviously all beef patties. Uh, I
[1:01:58] Speaker 4: won't give you the specific fat content, two slices of
[1:02:01] Speaker 4: American yellow, American cheese, uh, Martin's potato bond, secret sauce,
[1:02:05] Speaker 4: about three pickles and caramelized onions, halfway caramelized. And then
[1:02:10] Speaker 4: of course you'd probably get the curly fries with them
[1:02:12] Speaker 4: as well. We could probably skip those. Right.
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: We can skip the curly fries.
[1:02:15] Speaker 4: Skip the curly fries. Ah, nah.
[1:02:16] Speaker 3: I'll skip the curly fries.
[1:02:17] Speaker 4: What are we talking?
[1:02:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, if you look at a few of the studies
[1:02:19] Speaker 3: and do back of the envelope math, a fast food meal,
[1:02:22] Speaker 3: burger fries drink is roughly the same as one cigarette.
[1:02:26] Speaker 4: 20 minutes. Fine.
[1:02:29] Speaker 7: Fine.
[1:02:30] Speaker 1: And it's not fast food. It's moderate. So even less
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: than that.
[1:02:32] Speaker 4: And I bet you, and I bet you, if you
[1:02:34] Speaker 4: pull those, those fried, those curly fries off it, I
[1:02:36] Speaker 4: bet you it's like a couple minutes. I bet you,
[1:02:38] Speaker 4: I bet you it's about 10.
[1:02:39] Speaker 1: We're chilling. Do you, well, we're getting into diet.
[1:02:42] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:02:42] Speaker 3: So like if we, that's like top level, but now,
[1:02:44] Speaker 3: so the recent, uh, there was a guy, Nat Friedman, uh,
[1:02:48] Speaker 3: did this work on plastics list. He looked at, uh, plastic,
[1:02:52] Speaker 3: you know, type stuff, phthalates and stuff in foods. one
[1:02:56] Speaker 3: of the highest levels of microplastics in foods was grass-fed
[1:03:00] Speaker 3: beef from whole foods.
[1:03:03] Speaker 7: Why?
[1:03:04] Speaker 4: Why?
[1:03:04] Speaker 3: So it's a good question.
[1:03:06] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:03:06] Speaker 3: Yeah. And so there's theories on like how they actually
[1:03:09] Speaker 3: harvest meat, what they do with it. But we have to,
[1:03:12] Speaker 3: when you calculate what is in food and what the
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: die score is, you have to consider the microtoxin, the
[1:03:18] Speaker 3: heavy metals, the microplastics, all the other contaminants. So it's
[1:03:21] Speaker 3: not just food as a category of beef. cheese, bun, pickles.
[1:03:27] Speaker 3: It's like, what are the layers of stuff in there
[1:03:29] Speaker 3: and where did contaminants hide? So what materials is it
[1:03:32] Speaker 3: cooked on? What oils are used to cook? So once
[1:03:34] Speaker 3: you start, so our knowledge is just starting to emerge.
[1:03:39] Speaker 1: Got it. Yeah.
[1:03:40] Speaker 3: So I'm saying like, so Logan on this, it's funny
[1:03:42] Speaker 3: because I hear you, what you're saying, you're like, I'll
[1:03:44] Speaker 3: make the trade off. And so here's the thing as
[1:03:48] Speaker 3: a species, we have this very loose relationship. with life.
[1:03:55] Speaker 3: We're willing to pay, we're willing to basically spend our
[1:03:58] Speaker 3: life for these pleasures.
[1:04:00] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:04:01] Speaker 3: And what I'm saying right now, and that this conversation
[1:04:04] Speaker 3: is as a species, we're going to, we're going to
[1:04:09] Speaker 3: move beyond that. Like that in a couple, like in
[1:04:12] Speaker 3: 10 years, it will be seen as absolutely insane that
[1:04:16] Speaker 3: humans used to do things that actually lessened their life
[1:04:19] Speaker 3: and increased disease and.
[1:04:21] Speaker 1: Here is the forever caveat to that.
[1:04:24] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:04:24] Speaker 5: And something I'm sure you wrestle with and your haters
[1:04:28] Speaker 5: will bring up. Life is not guaranteed regardless of whether
[1:04:33] Speaker 5: or not I eat that hamburger.
[1:04:35] Speaker 1: Tragedy.
[1:04:36] Speaker 5: It could be after this podcast and I step outside
[1:04:39] Speaker 5: the house, get hit by a car. So the idea
[1:04:43] Speaker 5: of subscribing to a lifestyle that is more bland, not
[1:04:46] Speaker 5: knowing what's going to happen with my life, because you know, man, like, like,
[1:04:51] Speaker 5: It's just, tomorrow's not guaranteed.
[1:04:53] Speaker 4: Yeah, but he works in data and probability. Not like
[1:04:58] Speaker 4: you step, like, bro, there's not even any cars outside
[1:05:01] Speaker 4: the door. He's got a big front yard.
[1:05:03] Speaker 1: I know.
[1:05:03] Speaker 4: So you're not going to step out the front door
[1:05:04] Speaker 4: and get hit by a car unless some errant driver
[1:05:07] Speaker 4: who's been drinking all day down at the Lucky Beaver
[1:05:09] Speaker 4: crosses across his lawn and hits you with a Prius.
[1:05:12] Speaker 4: I don't see it happening. So that's why I'm so
[1:05:15] Speaker 4: intrigued by his current conversation. You got to work off probabilities, bro.
[1:05:19] Speaker 1: Do you, though?
[1:05:20] Speaker 5: Because everyone thinks it's not going to happen to them
[1:05:22] Speaker 5: until the coyote in your neighborhood does hop your fence
[1:05:24] Speaker 5: and kills your dog.
[1:05:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, but that happened to me.
[1:05:28] Speaker 1: I never thought it would happen to me.
[1:05:29] Speaker 4: So what, do you wish you had him eat more burgers?
[1:05:31] Speaker 5: I definitely would. Dude, if I knew that he had
[1:05:35] Speaker 5: a due date, I would have maybe given him a little.
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: More filet mignon.
[1:05:38] Speaker 3: Yeah. When death is inevitable, like it always has been,
[1:05:46] Speaker 3: we humans construct... Endless arguments to justify it. We like,
[1:05:53] Speaker 3: we say like YOLO, we say trade-offs, we say.
[1:05:55] Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
[1:05:58] Speaker 3: We just like, we just like, we have endless justifications.
[1:06:02] Speaker 3: This is like a die Logan. Who's like, you're good, man.
[1:06:07] Speaker 3: Like just do your thing.
[1:06:08] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:06:09] Speaker 3: She's like, but it's what I'm saying is you, we
[1:06:12] Speaker 3: have to acknowledge that die has been. so built into us,
[1:06:18] Speaker 3: we can't see it.
[1:06:21] Speaker 5: I love this perspective. And you're absolutely right. It's kind
[1:06:24] Speaker 5: of like ignorance in a way. But if we are
[1:06:27] Speaker 5: going to do this probability exercise and we want to
[1:06:31] Speaker 5: relate this to math, have you considered or maybe you
[1:06:35] Speaker 5: have the answer to how many lives are cut short
[1:06:39] Speaker 5: and how many people live to the extent of their
[1:06:42] Speaker 5: body's capability? Do you know the answer to that question?
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: I don't. That would be interesting. Tough data.
[1:06:50] Speaker 5: Brian, I really do think because my biggest fear here
[1:06:54] Speaker 5: is not living life to the fullest. I'm not even
[1:06:57] Speaker 5: going to say what kind of dark thoughts I fear
[1:07:01] Speaker 5: or the tragedy I fear because I'm not even willing
[1:07:03] Speaker 5: to potentially utter those words into existence.
[1:07:07] Speaker 4: We could get the data.
[1:07:08] Speaker 5: If you told me 95% of people live to the
[1:07:12] Speaker 5: extent of their body's capability and 5% Of people dying early.
[1:07:19] Speaker 4: It's probably around there. And you could back the date out,
[1:07:22] Speaker 4: but I bet you that's not too far off.
[1:07:23] Speaker 5: I would be much more inclined to subscribe to a
[1:07:26] Speaker 5: longevity lifestyle if you told me that. Dude, you're absolutely right.
[1:07:30] Speaker 5: I resonate with almost everything you say. Almost everything you
[1:07:34] Speaker 5: say makes complete sense.
[1:07:35] Speaker 4: And I don't feel like it. much of it having
[1:07:38] Speaker 4: sitting here and talking to you is like controversial or
[1:07:41] Speaker 4: like doubt.
[1:07:42] Speaker 1: Not really.
[1:07:42] Speaker 5: The one thing you said that was controversial is that, uh, the,
[1:07:45] Speaker 5: the God thing I, and you, and you've done this
[1:07:47] Speaker 5: with religion before and you have an interesting relationship with,
[1:07:50] Speaker 5: with really in the Mormon church. I want to hear
[1:07:54] Speaker 5: about this diet stuff. I know, but no, but it's, I,
[1:07:58] Speaker 5: I feel like even though you're like 99% right on
[1:08:03] Speaker 5: a lot of stuff, And I think maybe 1% of
[1:08:07] Speaker 5: the time, you'll say something that pisses off 99% of people.
[1:08:10] Speaker 4: Well, what did he say today? Are you atheist now?
[1:08:14] Speaker 1: Agnostic?
[1:08:15] Speaker 3: I wouldn't even use a word.
[1:08:17] Speaker 7: What?
[1:08:18] Speaker 4: You're existing.
[1:08:20] Speaker 1: What?
[1:08:21] Speaker 3: My favorite quote is from Edward Murrow. He was a
[1:08:23] Speaker 3: World War II reporter. He said, those who are not
[1:08:27] Speaker 3: confused don't understand the situation.
[1:08:33] Speaker 5: Okay i'm confused those who are confused those who are
[1:08:36] Speaker 5: not confused but if.
[1:08:37] Speaker 4: You take both the double negative out those who are confused.
[1:08:40] Speaker 8: Understand right like what's like yeah we're on this planet
[1:08:45] Speaker 8: yeah i agree we exist we're kind of like what
[1:08:48] Speaker 8: the universe where does space begin where does it end
[1:08:52] Speaker 8: like what is going on yeah yeah yes this is insane.
[1:08:57] Speaker 4: No, you're right. A hundred percent.
[1:08:59] Speaker 3: But then we take this here and we're like, actually,
[1:09:01] Speaker 3: let me tell you what, like, how do we think
[1:09:04] Speaker 3: we know anything about existence? Like we can measure gravity.
[1:09:07] Speaker 4: Sure.
[1:09:08] Speaker 3: Like we can measure molecules.
[1:09:09] Speaker 2: Sure.
[1:09:09] Speaker 3: But like, These big existential questions.
[1:09:12] Speaker 1: You don't even, so you don't even bother?
[1:09:14] Speaker 3: Like, how could you even approach?
[1:09:16] Speaker 4: So, sorry. So, no, sorry. So that stance would be
[1:09:20] Speaker 4: considered agnostic.
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: No, no, no. No, yes, it is.
[1:09:24] Speaker 4: He has an agnostic stance.
[1:09:26] Speaker 1: Do you believe in a higher power?
[1:09:28] Speaker 3: I'm confused.
[1:09:30] Speaker 1: No, he's not.
[1:09:31] Speaker 4: Yes, it is. Atheist means you are, you're saying you
[1:09:33] Speaker 4: do not believe that there's a higher power. Agnostic means
[1:09:36] Speaker 4: you don't have proof to believe or not believe that
[1:09:37] Speaker 4: there's a higher power. He has an agnostic approach towards
[1:09:41] Speaker 4: higher power.
[1:09:41] Speaker 1: I thought agnostic, you still kind of believe in something
[1:09:44] Speaker 1: up there.
[1:09:44] Speaker 4: No, it's, you just don't believe that there's proof to
[1:09:47] Speaker 4: say that there is or isn't. So you just continue
[1:09:48] Speaker 4: living your existence. I would say you're agnostic. Yeah.
[1:09:51] Speaker 3: I mean, so I, I don't use words because I
[1:09:54] Speaker 3: don't want to walk into a pigeonhole them like, right. Like,
[1:09:58] Speaker 3: The words have been built around those concepts. I'm trying
[1:10:01] Speaker 3: to acknowledge the absolute greatest degree of humility expressible by
[1:10:07] Speaker 3: an intelligent being. I have no, like humanity has never
[1:10:11] Speaker 3: known what's going on. Like every era, every generation brings
[1:10:13] Speaker 3: new knowledge. Like, oh. That's what's going on. It just
[1:10:16] Speaker 3: expands and expands. Like, we're always ignorant. We just don't
[1:10:18] Speaker 3: know to what degree.
[1:10:19] Speaker 4: See, this is funny because it's bleeding into what we
[1:10:22] Speaker 4: talked about in the last episode. He is at the greatest,
[1:10:28] Speaker 4: probably the greatest level of wokeness in saying, I just
[1:10:32] Speaker 4: really don't know.
[1:10:33] Speaker 1: I mean, I love the poem, I don't know.
[1:10:35] Speaker 4: For sure. I exist in a place that is one
[1:10:38] Speaker 4: degree either below or above that, which is saying... I
[1:10:41] Speaker 4: can see both sides, okay? Meaning I exist in a
[1:10:45] Speaker 4: gray area. I hear what you're saying. I hear what
[1:10:47] Speaker 4: you're saying. I hear what I'm thinking. And then you've
[1:10:49] Speaker 4: got this, what is right now considered to be woke mentality,
[1:10:54] Speaker 4: which I believe is the most asleep mentality, which is
[1:10:57] Speaker 4: there's right and wrong, white and black. And that's all
[1:11:00] Speaker 4: that exists in the world is a very simple answer
[1:11:02] Speaker 4: to every situation, which to me is the most ridiculous
[1:11:06] Speaker 4: belief set in life. Cause there's just not, this is
[1:11:09] Speaker 4: a very complex lifestyle that we lead.
[1:11:11] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:11:11] Speaker 4: Tell me more about diets.
[1:11:12] Speaker 3: Okay, cool. So one of the things I'll tell, I'll
[1:11:14] Speaker 3: jump into diets. So like if you, what I'm trying
[1:11:17] Speaker 3: to say is look back through history and see when
[1:11:20] Speaker 3: people have tried to solve the riddle of existence, right?
[1:11:25] Speaker 3: So Buddha was like, look, ego death, eightfold path, reincarnation cycle,
[1:11:31] Speaker 3: liberate yourself from the planes, right? Like he's like, that's
[1:11:33] Speaker 3: what we do. Jesus was like, I'm the son of God.
[1:11:39] Speaker 3: Do this thing and you get an afterlife. Muhammad was
[1:11:41] Speaker 3: like submit to God and had his old framework. Marx
[1:11:45] Speaker 3: was like actually existence is class warfare. American founding fathers
[1:11:49] Speaker 3: were like actually it's a democratic process. But people throughout
[1:11:54] Speaker 3: history have tried to say like what is existence?
[1:11:57] Speaker 4: Nihilism.
[1:11:58] Speaker 3: What do you, yeah, like what do you do? Like
[1:12:01] Speaker 3: what is the plan? And what I'm trying to say
[1:12:03] Speaker 3: is like in this moment when we're giving birth to
[1:12:06] Speaker 3: super intelligence as a species, don't die. solves the riddle
[1:12:13] Speaker 3: of existence. So when you say like, I might as
[1:12:16] Speaker 3: well eat a burger, you're manifesting an ideology, right? You
[1:12:21] Speaker 3: don't realize it, but you're playing the script of an ideology.
[1:12:25] Speaker 3: And what I'm saying is, don't die is a brand
[1:12:28] Speaker 3: new construct of how to understand reality. And that is,
[1:12:32] Speaker 3: it only makes sense when you're giving birth to super intelligence.
[1:12:35] Speaker 3: No other time in history can you introduce don't die.
[1:12:37] Speaker 3: Don't die. Christianity is don't die, right? It's like, dudes,
[1:12:42] Speaker 3: obey these commandments, don't die. Islam, do this, don't die, right?
[1:12:46] Speaker 3: Have kids, do this, don't die. So don't die has
[1:12:48] Speaker 3: been played forever. But this is like a brand new,
[1:12:51] Speaker 3: this is why it's so hard to get your head
[1:12:53] Speaker 3: around it. It breaks every model of reality.
[1:12:56] Speaker 4: But enjoying a burger or sex before bed or a
[1:13:01] Speaker 4: crazy action movie or a big bet on the roulette table,
[1:13:05] Speaker 4: the idea of enjoying those things is not a social construct.
[1:13:09] Speaker 4: It's a chemical reaction that is as organic and natural
[1:13:16] Speaker 4: to our life and to our species as our species
[1:13:18] Speaker 4: and our life in general. So, so you're not asking
[1:13:21] Speaker 4: us to, to push back and reject a social construct.
[1:13:24] Speaker 4: You're asking us to through discipline, reject chemical pleasure.
[1:13:30] Speaker 3: Not even that. I'm, I think I am happier than
[1:13:35] Speaker 3: almost anybody. I think I have a more fulfilled life
[1:13:37] Speaker 3: than anybody. I think that basically we got me be living,
[1:13:41] Speaker 3: like basically saying no to die is the greatest expression
[1:13:47] Speaker 3: of happiness ever. So people, during this conversation, they assume
[1:13:51] Speaker 3: I must be less than happy than them because I
[1:13:54] Speaker 3: don't cheat with pizza. I don't cheat with burgers and fries.
[1:13:57] Speaker 3: They assume I'm at a deficit. I would argue I
[1:14:00] Speaker 3: am happier and more fulfilled and a more fully expressed
[1:14:05] Speaker 3: version of consciousness than them. It is a legitimate, better
[1:14:09] Speaker 3: way to exist.
[1:14:10] Speaker 1: Okay, so I wanted to ask you this.
[1:14:12] Speaker 5: When you look at people who are not subscribed to
[1:14:14] Speaker 5: longevity like you are, do you think they're less than?
[1:14:19] Speaker 3: I think they're playing the scripts of a former version
[1:14:23] Speaker 3: of homo sapiens.
[1:14:24] Speaker 4: Are you calling me a caveman? Are you calling me
[1:14:26] Speaker 4: a fucking caveman burger eating?
[1:14:29] Speaker 1: No, no, but it's like surely you got a little
[1:14:33] Speaker 1: bit of like chump.
[1:14:36] Speaker 4: He doesn't really strike me.
[1:14:38] Speaker 5: No, but like in the back of your mind, they're
[1:14:41] Speaker 5: so dumb they can't even help themselves.
[1:14:43] Speaker 1: Are you offering like a don't die hit? Yeah, yeah.
[1:14:46] Speaker 5: I don't want to get into his. I don't want
[1:14:47] Speaker 5: to shill yet. I want to get into the shilling later.
[1:14:50] Speaker 5: But no, seriously.
[1:14:51] Speaker 4: He caught me eating a giant bacon burrito.
[1:14:53] Speaker 1: Yeah. So when you see that, you kind of give
[1:14:56] Speaker 1: him like a side. I like.
[1:14:57] Speaker 4: He didn't do that. He just said.
[1:14:58] Speaker 1: He just said. A little bit though, Brian.
[1:15:00] Speaker 3: What did I say?
[1:15:02] Speaker 4: You just said, hey, man, that's not allowed in this house.
[1:15:04] Speaker 4: It was very jovial. He was smiling and he laughed
[1:15:07] Speaker 4: it off. And then I took a huge bite. It
[1:15:08] Speaker 4: was all bacon. It was like 40 pounds. You had
[1:15:11] Speaker 4: that burrito too. That shit was crazy.
[1:15:12] Speaker 1: But a little bit.
[1:15:13] Speaker 4: That was like 18 minutes of your life. I hope
[1:15:14] Speaker 4: you don't like your grandkids because.
[1:15:16] Speaker 1: You ain't going.
[1:15:20] Speaker 3: To be seeing them. So I'm saying I have spent
[1:15:24] Speaker 3: more time in my mind imagining being present in the
[1:15:28] Speaker 3: 25th century than like I exist in that world.
[1:15:32] Speaker 1: I love this sort of experiment.
[1:15:34] Speaker 3: I just do. And I try to think like, what
[1:15:36] Speaker 3: does it feel like? What do they want? What does
[1:15:41] Speaker 3: conscious existence mean a few hundred years in the future?
[1:15:45] Speaker 3: What does that feel like? And that's what I try
[1:15:47] Speaker 3: to embody as a person. Now, I may be totally wrong,
[1:15:51] Speaker 3: but I see the way we exist is so primitive.
[1:15:56] Speaker 3: Chasing these short-term pleasures to change our conscious existence, to
[1:16:02] Speaker 3: increase the chance that we have disease or death is insane.
[1:16:08] Speaker 3: We can't see it because it's the norm. And when
[1:16:11] Speaker 3: you suggest, people are like, bro, chill. Or like, there's
[1:16:14] Speaker 3: just so many arguments. But it is absolutely the most
[1:16:17] Speaker 3: primitive execution. But it's understanding, like, when you're going to
[1:16:20] Speaker 3: die anyways, might as well, like, why wouldn't you do that? Like,
[1:16:22] Speaker 3: of course. But when you're not going to die, when
[1:16:25] Speaker 3: you're in a situation where, like, we don't know how
[1:16:26] Speaker 3: far we can extend lifespans, it is a totally different calculation.
[1:16:31] Speaker 3: It breaks everything you understand about being human.
[1:16:33] Speaker 5: This is super disruptive. Don't die is super disruptive. If
[1:16:37] Speaker 5: you do die, does that make you a bitch?
[1:16:39] Speaker 3: That was your problem. So I have already died. Brian
[1:16:46] Speaker 3: Johnson is dead.
[1:16:48] Speaker 1: What was Liver King's real name?
[1:16:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, Brian Johnson. He's an I. I am a Y.
[1:16:54] Speaker 1: Liver King's real name is Brian Johnson.
[1:16:56] Speaker 4: Wait, so you're named the same as Liver King and
[1:16:58] Speaker 4: you look kind of like Trevor Wallace.
[1:17:00] Speaker 3: We're the same.
[1:17:00] Speaker 4: That's what you're telling me.
[1:17:02] Speaker 3: We're the same age. The same name.
[1:17:04] Speaker 2: Holy shit.
[1:17:05] Speaker 5: Because, dude, he also sat on this podcast and said
[1:17:07] Speaker 5: Brian Johnson died.
[1:17:08] Speaker 4: Yeah. Did he really?
[1:17:09] Speaker 3: There we go.
[1:17:10] Speaker 1: Yes, and then he became Liver King.
[1:17:11] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:17:12] Speaker 1: This is crazy. Wait, what if- How many of the
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: Brian Johnsons have died? And that's what I'm saying.
[1:17:15] Speaker 4: Are they bitches?
[1:17:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, probably. I mean, maybe that's just like- What if that.
[1:17:18] Speaker 4: Brian Johnson died and he became Liver King and this
[1:17:21] Speaker 4: Brian Johnson was born? Like he's the reincarnation of the
[1:17:24] Speaker 4: original Liver King.
[1:17:26] Speaker 3: Isn't it so good? So like, I mean, I like it.
[1:17:29] Speaker 3: You know, we know time compresses things, right? So like
[1:17:32] Speaker 3: my existence- is don't die. It doesn't matter what I
[1:17:35] Speaker 3: do with my life at this point. Like over some
[1:17:37] Speaker 3: duration of time, Brian Johnson doesn't matter to the world
[1:17:41] Speaker 3: of intelligent existence. Don't die as a memetic. That will
[1:17:46] Speaker 3: exist far beyond.
[1:17:46] Speaker 1: Unless, what do you consider your major win?
[1:17:52] Speaker 5: Because in my eyes, man, if you were at like 250,
[1:17:57] Speaker 5: looking like this, just running around being Brian Johnson, the
[1:18:02] Speaker 5: don't die guy, I don't know.
[1:18:04] Speaker 4: Doing podcasts. Yeah.
[1:18:05] Speaker 5: It's going to be pretty tough to hate on you.
[1:18:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:18:08] Speaker 3: I mean, like, so, okay, if we just like look
[1:18:09] Speaker 3: at this at a, let's say, what is the half-life?
[1:18:12] Speaker 3: Half-life is like how fast something dies.
[1:18:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:18:15] Speaker 3: So, the half-life of an Instagram story.
[1:18:18] Speaker 1: 12 hours.
[1:18:19] Speaker 3: There we go. Half-life of caffeine, right? Six hours. So, like,
[1:18:24] Speaker 3: things have a decay curve and then they don't exist.
[1:18:26] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:18:27] Speaker 3: So, if you just say, like, what is the half-life
[1:18:31] Speaker 3: of a politician? Even like, the best politician in America, right?
[1:18:36] Speaker 4: Whatever.
[1:18:37] Speaker 3: What is the half-life of the notoriety and what happens
[1:18:40] Speaker 3: over time? Things decay insanely fast, which is why the
[1:18:44] Speaker 3: third century, we remember one thing, right? It just, reality compresses.
[1:18:48] Speaker 4: Why do you keep using the third century? Why do
[1:18:49] Speaker 4: you keep using the third century?
[1:18:50] Speaker 1: Said what the thing is? What is the thing?
[1:18:51] Speaker 3: Okay, and so in the 1500s, in 1519, That's the
[1:18:55] Speaker 3: 15th century. Magellan sailed around the world, right? So what
[1:18:58] Speaker 3: happened in the year In that century.
[1:19:00] Speaker 4: We understood the shape of the earth or something.
[1:19:04] Speaker 1: Something different.
[1:19:05] Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
[1:19:06] Speaker 4: But do you have one for the third century or do.
[1:19:08] Speaker 3: You always just- Yeah, why is that? No, I randomly
[1:19:09] Speaker 3: chose it. I mean, I think if I'm not mistaken,
[1:19:11] Speaker 3: it was when Constantine did- Yeah, it was like- It.
[1:19:14] Speaker 1: Was like the crusade.
[1:19:15] Speaker 3: The Christian, yeah.
[1:19:16] Speaker 1: No, the crusades.
[1:19:17] Speaker 3: Were- What year was- Anyways, I'm- Yeah, but you hit
[1:19:21] Speaker 3: the point.
[1:19:22] Speaker 1: So I guess- Yes, yes.
[1:19:22] Speaker 3: You're starting to feel it just a little bit.
[1:19:24] Speaker 4: Could it have been the wheel?
[1:19:25] Speaker 1: No, no.
[1:19:26] Speaker 4: Oh, no. Way earlier?
[1:19:27] Speaker 3: Way earlier.
[1:19:28] Speaker 5: So- You mentioned that in your don't die dinners, I
[1:19:33] Speaker 5: was on the signal thread with you or something, some thread.
[1:19:36] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:19:36] Speaker 5: And you mentioned that in your don't die dinners, it
[1:19:38] Speaker 5: usually takes people like 90 minutes before they're like two hours.
[1:19:41] Speaker 1: So two hours is the average timer for like, Oh yeah.
[1:19:44] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:19:44] Speaker 1: So I'm at that moment.
[1:19:45] Speaker 3: I'm going to spoil this for you. Cause I really,
[1:19:47] Speaker 3: cause we're doing a dinner after this. Yeah. I'm going
[1:19:49] Speaker 3: to spoil this for you a little bit. I've been
[1:19:51] Speaker 3: doing these dinner for years. And so we do several
[1:19:54] Speaker 3: thought experiments. I've done hundreds. The thought patterns people have.
[1:19:59] Speaker 1: Are the exact same.
[1:20:00] Speaker 3: Identical.
[1:20:01] Speaker 1: Which is so disappointing.
[1:20:02] Speaker 3: Emotions, ideas, rebuttals. So everything you said today, I've heard
[1:20:07] Speaker 3: thousands of times.
[1:20:08] Speaker 1: I know, I know.
[1:20:09] Speaker 3: So this is like the thing of like, we exist.
[1:20:11] Speaker 3: Like we think we're original. We think we've come up
[1:20:13] Speaker 3: with clever concepts. Like we're just, we're patterns.
[1:20:16] Speaker 4: We should, if you're that focused on like effective time spending,
[1:20:20] Speaker 4: you should have just gave us the food right now.
[1:20:22] Speaker 4: We could have done the don't die dinner. Well, we
[1:20:23] Speaker 4: have the don't die dinner.
[1:20:24] Speaker 3: Honestly, that's honestly what we should have done. In fact,
[1:20:27] Speaker 3: we could pivot there right now if you want.
[1:20:29] Speaker 1: To go do the don't diet dinner? How long have
[1:20:32] Speaker 1: we been going?
[1:20:33] Speaker 4: Well, no, no, no. Hold on a sec. Hold on.
[1:20:35] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:20:36] Speaker 4: How long? Let's abbreviate some of this other stuff. I
[1:20:38] Speaker 4: need Gary because Gary's watching this in Tuscaloosa.
[1:20:40] Speaker 1: Tuscaloosa.
[1:20:41] Speaker 4: Get me through the diet stuff and then through the exercise.
[1:20:45] Speaker 3: Let me do it quickly. I'll just like very fast.
[1:20:48] Speaker 3: Here's how you achieve the majority of the benefits I've done.
[1:20:50] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:20:50] Speaker 3: So I'm best in world. Here's how you do it.
[1:20:53] Speaker 3: So Make sleep your number one life priority. Everything in
[1:20:57] Speaker 3: your life is built around sleep because when you sleep well,
[1:21:01] Speaker 3: you have more willpower. So I did this study with
[1:21:04] Speaker 3: my brain interface company, Kernel. I measured my willpower when
[1:21:07] Speaker 3: I had poor sleep, when I had good sleep. My
[1:21:09] Speaker 3: willpower fell off a cliff when I had bad sleep.
[1:21:13] Speaker 3: So when you're 7 p.m., you're like, should I eat
[1:21:14] Speaker 3: the donut or not? You're substantially more likely to eat
[1:21:18] Speaker 3: the donut if you have poor sleep. So sleep, number one.
[1:21:21] Speaker 3: Number two is exercise. So if you eat well, if
[1:21:24] Speaker 3: you sleep well, you wake up, you're like, all right,
[1:21:26] Speaker 3: I'm down to exercise. Exercise increases your want to be healthy, right?
[1:21:32] Speaker 3: So the rule for I have is it's an hour
[1:21:34] Speaker 3: a day. That's a lot for people. So just do
[1:21:37] Speaker 3: 20 minutes. And I would suggest first thing in the morning,
[1:21:40] Speaker 3: because if you don't do it the first thing in
[1:21:41] Speaker 3: the morning, like as the day travels on, you're always
[1:21:44] Speaker 3: too busy, always too chaotic. Yep. First thing, exercise. So
[1:21:48] Speaker 3: choose something. Yoga, Pilates, strength training, cardio, swim, whatever. 20
[1:21:54] Speaker 3: minutes of exercise every day.
[1:21:55] Speaker 4: With what core goal? For the workout, sorry. Heart rate increase,
[1:22:00] Speaker 4: like what is your goal?
[1:22:01] Speaker 3: Just being active.
[1:22:02] Speaker 4: Moving the body.
[1:22:03] Speaker 3: Yeah, so every day I do an hour, I do strength, cardio, flexibility,
[1:22:07] Speaker 3: and balance.
[1:22:07] Speaker 1: Can I make a suggestion?
[1:22:08] Speaker 3: Yes.
[1:22:09] Speaker 1: I think, no, just jump rope. Jump rope.
[1:22:12] Speaker 5: I think if people are going to do 20-minute workouts-
[1:22:16] Speaker 5: And do a heavy jump rope because if you do
[1:22:17] Speaker 5: a heavy jump rope, not only is it hard and
[1:22:19] Speaker 5: tough on your lungs cardio-wise, you'll be working out your
[1:22:22] Speaker 5: arms as well and stabilizing your arms.
[1:22:24] Speaker 1: Dude, jump rope is my favorite fucking workout. And it
[1:22:27] Speaker 1: kicks your ass. It kicks your ass.
[1:22:28] Speaker 3: It is so hard.
[1:22:30] Speaker 1: Until you get good at it.
[1:22:30] Speaker 3: It is so hard.
[1:22:31] Speaker 1: Start every workout with the jump rope.
[1:22:32] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:22:33] Speaker 1: You're shredded.
[1:22:33] Speaker 5: Okay.
[1:22:34] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:22:34] Speaker 3: So yeah, exercise. So don't make it a big deal.
[1:22:37] Speaker 3: Like you don't have to like have specific movements down.
[1:22:40] Speaker 3: You don't have to be an expert. Just be active. Now,
[1:22:43] Speaker 3: of course, like we can articulate more advanced versions, like
[1:22:46] Speaker 3: do this thing and that thing. But generally speaking, be active, right?
[1:22:49] Speaker 4: That one thing, by the way, for people that want
[1:22:51] Speaker 4: a secondary opinion on it from someone who maybe feels
[1:22:54] Speaker 4: the way you do from day to day, it's the
[1:22:56] Speaker 4: only thing that keeps me alive. He knows this. I
[1:22:58] Speaker 4: get up. I don't do a ton. I don't build
[1:23:00] Speaker 4: any muscle. I don't do. I sweat. I do 30
[1:23:03] Speaker 4: minutes a day either on an elliptical, on a bike,
[1:23:05] Speaker 4: whatever it is. It is the only reason I'm alive.
[1:23:07] Speaker 4: Without it, I would not be. I promise you mentally,
[1:23:10] Speaker 4: what it does for me mentally far outweighs what it
[1:23:13] Speaker 4: does for me physically.
[1:23:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, great. Okay, so once you have sleep down, once
[1:23:16] Speaker 3: you have exercise and there are life habits, you don't deviate.
[1:23:20] Speaker 3: They're not fought for negotiation. You build a life system
[1:23:23] Speaker 3: because what you don't want to do, don't rely upon willpower.
[1:23:27] Speaker 3: Never use willpower. Okay, so When your bad time comes
[1:23:32] Speaker 3: between 5 and 10, just have a rule. You don't eat.
[1:23:35] Speaker 3: It's not a question like can you resist or will
[1:23:38] Speaker 3: you behave well.
[1:23:38] Speaker 1: It's not something you do.
[1:23:39] Speaker 3: You don't do it. Don't die.
[1:23:40] Speaker 1: You don't.
[1:23:41] Speaker 3: So none is always better than some.
[1:23:45] Speaker 5: I like to equate discipline to two things because it's
[1:23:49] Speaker 5: hard but not really.
[1:23:50] Speaker 1: It's action or lack thereof. And like to me it's
[1:23:54] Speaker 1: like a zero or a one. Like I'm doing this.
[1:23:56] Speaker 1: I've subscribed to this or I'm not. Brian, it's much
[1:23:59] Speaker 1: easier said than done, though.
[1:24:00] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:24:01] Speaker 3: And some people can. Like, some people have enough discipline
[1:24:03] Speaker 3: where they can hang out in between of, like, I'll
[1:24:05] Speaker 3: have a piece or a bite.
[1:24:06] Speaker 4: It's rare.
[1:24:07] Speaker 3: But most people, like, once you have one, it's just, like, fucking.
[1:24:10] Speaker 1: No, that's me. That's why I need discipline.
[1:24:13] Speaker 4: One more thing for Gary in Tuscaloosa. It gets easier
[1:24:16] Speaker 4: with time.
[1:24:17] Speaker 1: Yes.
[1:24:17] Speaker 4: So you start day one, it's hard. Day five is
[1:24:19] Speaker 4: a little bit easier. Day 10 is a little easier.
[1:24:22] Speaker 4: It's why you have, you know, when you talk to
[1:24:24] Speaker 4: people that are 10 years in recovery from alcohol or drugs,
[1:24:26] Speaker 4: they're having a far easier time than people who are
[1:24:28] Speaker 4: on day three. So start it, stick with it for
[1:24:30] Speaker 4: a week. And I guarantee you week two will be
[1:24:33] Speaker 4: easier than week one.
[1:24:34] Speaker 3: Exactly. Well said. So you have those two habits in place. Next, uh,
[1:24:37] Speaker 3: is food. Now, food's third because food is so complicated. Like,
[1:24:42] Speaker 3: we have addictions, we soothe, it's so hard. So, just like,
[1:24:46] Speaker 3: be okay, like, babysit your way. So, with my diet,
[1:24:49] Speaker 3: I've said every calorie has to fight for its life. So,
[1:24:53] Speaker 3: every single molecule that goes into my body has to
[1:24:55] Speaker 3: be a superfood among superfoods and it's got to be
[1:24:58] Speaker 3: tested for all contaminants. Now, that's where you want to
[1:25:00] Speaker 3: be eventually, we'll get there. But in the meantime, just
[1:25:03] Speaker 3: have a general rule, more good stuff, Less bad stuff.
[1:25:08] Speaker 7: Okay.
[1:25:08] Speaker 3: Really basic.
[1:25:09] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:25:09] Speaker 3: So you say we know what's good stuff. We kind
[1:25:11] Speaker 3: of know, right? Like vegetables are good. Berries, nuts, seeds.
[1:25:15] Speaker 3: If you want to have some meats. Okay. You want
[1:25:17] Speaker 3: to not do fast food. You don't want to do
[1:25:19] Speaker 3: junk food. Right. Just like put things in like big categories.
[1:25:22] Speaker 3: Now don't get paralyzed to be like, is Greek yogurt
[1:25:27] Speaker 3: a good one or a bad one? Like don't get
[1:25:29] Speaker 3: into it.
[1:25:29] Speaker 7: Right.
[1:25:30] Speaker 3: If it has, if it's sweetened, it has sugar. Don't
[1:25:32] Speaker 3: do it. Do unsweetened. It's like, you don't want to
[1:25:33] Speaker 3: have sugar. It's like bad ones, sugar, bad junk, bad
[1:25:37] Speaker 3: junk food.
[1:25:38] Speaker 1: Like Gatorade?
[1:25:39] Speaker 3: Fried food.
[1:25:41] Speaker 5: Well, because it's, you know, like 20 plus grams of
[1:25:44] Speaker 5: sugar in like a 16 ounce can.
[1:25:45] Speaker 1: It's just crazy.
[1:25:46] Speaker 3: It's why, so it is insane that a drink would
[1:25:51] Speaker 3: have like 20, 30, 40 grams of sugar.
[1:25:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, like Gatorade. Just putting, just an example. Yeah, exactly.
[1:25:57] Speaker 3: So yeah, avoid those things and then once you have
[1:25:59] Speaker 3: those three things in place, then you can level up
[1:26:02] Speaker 3: to the next, next go. But like, Just get basic
[1:26:06] Speaker 3: life systems. Don't overwhelm yourself. Don't take on too much.
[1:26:11] Speaker 3: But build these habits. And that's what I've done. And
[1:26:12] Speaker 3: so I've made my protocol available to the world for free.
[1:26:16] Speaker 3: So you can see exactly what I do on every
[1:26:18] Speaker 3: single thing. But the key thing is most people struggle
[1:26:21] Speaker 3: to get started. So it's like give them enough encouragement
[1:26:24] Speaker 3: that you can do this.
[1:26:25] Speaker 4: For sure.
[1:26:26] Speaker 3: Sleep, right? And then you're going to be like, God damn,
[1:26:28] Speaker 3: I feel amazing. Now I'm going to exercise. And if
[1:26:30] Speaker 3: I do that, you want to gain ground ever so slowly.
[1:26:34] Speaker 3: If you're depressed, I feel you. I feel you so hard.
[1:26:39] Speaker 3: And hearing this, you're probably like, no. Just try to
[1:26:42] Speaker 3: master the basics one by one. So just absolutely, it's okay.
[1:26:47] Speaker 3: If you have two bowls of cereal instead of three,
[1:26:49] Speaker 3: you're doing a great job. Just ever so slowly walk
[1:26:52] Speaker 3: your way into this.
[1:26:54] Speaker 4: See, I listen to him, and we've had people on
[1:26:57] Speaker 4: who I would never say this about. I listen to him,
[1:26:59] Speaker 4: and I see someone that I want to listen to.
[1:27:01] Speaker 1: No, for sure.
[1:27:01] Speaker 4: It's all non-controversial.
[1:27:03] Speaker 1: Not yet, at least.
[1:27:04] Speaker 4: He hasn't shilled a single thing. And not that if
[1:27:07] Speaker 4: he did, it would be a bad thing. But the
[1:27:10] Speaker 4: stuff that he's saying is so... medically and data-driven to
[1:27:16] Speaker 4: be accepted, right? It's all real stuff.
[1:27:19] Speaker 1: Which I totally agree with. I find the hate for
[1:27:21] Speaker 1: you hilarious. I think it actually speaks to, like, the
[1:27:25] Speaker 1: primitiveness of human nature. Andrew Tate apologized to him. One
[1:27:29] Speaker 1: of the only times I've ever seen him.
[1:27:30] Speaker 4: Didn't he?
[1:27:30] Speaker 3: That was actually, yeah.
[1:27:31] Speaker 4: It was one of the only times I've ever seen him.
[1:27:32] Speaker 5: What you're doing is so disruptive. People are just, like,
[1:27:35] Speaker 5: inherently resistant to it, which is, I mean, that's people, man.
[1:27:39] Speaker 1: It's like... But, okay... That, for example, doesn't get to you.
[1:27:43] Speaker 5: You say you go to sleep trying to free your
[1:27:46] Speaker 5: mind of all negative thoughts and keep your mind from running,
[1:27:50] Speaker 5: but the chatter online about you doesn't get to you.
[1:27:53] Speaker 1: I love it. You love it.
[1:27:54] Speaker 3: I genuinely love it.
[1:27:57] Speaker 4: Damn.
[1:27:58] Speaker 1: What a neutralization. Damn.
[1:28:01] Speaker 3: It's almost like when it's absent, I'm like, wait, where'd
[1:28:03] Speaker 3: everyone go?
[1:28:04] Speaker 1: You're a heel. You're a heel and a baby face.
[1:28:08] Speaker 1: You're a tweener, as we call it.
[1:28:09] Speaker 4: It's all wrestling.
[1:28:10] Speaker 3: In the industry.
[1:28:11] Speaker 4: Okay. Can we rapid fire through some peptides? Okay, so
[1:28:16] Speaker 4: obviously the advent of peptides as we move towards AI,
[1:28:19] Speaker 4: it's another thing that people were talking about a lot
[1:28:21] Speaker 4: right now. What can I be jamming into my body
[1:28:23] Speaker 4: to kind of either reverse aging, slow down aging, help
[1:28:27] Speaker 4: my joints, help my sex drive, whatever it is, right?
[1:28:30] Speaker 4: Hormone therapy, testosterone. Subscribe, unsubscribe, where are you at with it?
[1:28:35] Speaker 3: Yeah. First, sleep, exercise, diet. every single time. So people
[1:28:43] Speaker 3: want to jump to what is your favorite supplement? What
[1:28:46] Speaker 3: do I do for blank blank? Like what pills? No
[1:28:49] Speaker 3: sleep exercise diet. Like master those.
[1:28:53] Speaker 4: So, okay. So say we move to an intermediate slash
[1:28:56] Speaker 4: semi-advanced level here to a low gain or someone that's
[1:28:59] Speaker 4: like kind of already worked through the core competencies. What
[1:29:03] Speaker 4: are your feelings on some of these things?
[1:29:05] Speaker 3: I mean, peptides are complicated because they're not well studied.
[1:29:08] Speaker 3: So they have a lot of complicated interactions inside the body.
[1:29:11] Speaker 3: So for us, I did TB4 and BPC157 on my
[1:29:18] Speaker 3: ankle when it sprained.
[1:29:19] Speaker 4: Yep.
[1:29:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:29:20] Speaker 3: So- I did that for that very specific application. I
[1:29:23] Speaker 3: also did a thymosin epitalon.
[1:29:27] Speaker 1: Fastest ankle recovery in history.
[1:29:29] Speaker 3: Honestly, yeah.
[1:29:30] Speaker 4: How did you like the BBC? The BBC is generally
[1:29:33] Speaker 4: believed to be pretty.
[1:29:34] Speaker 3: Yeah. So I had a high grade string and a fracture.
[1:29:38] Speaker 3: I was dancing. My foot dropped into a hole. I
[1:29:41] Speaker 3: turned it.
[1:29:41] Speaker 2: Yikes.
[1:29:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, I was back four weeks later.
[1:29:44] Speaker 5: I sent your video to my brother who severely sprained
[1:29:47] Speaker 5: his ankle before fighting Mike Tyson.
[1:29:48] Speaker 3: So after the fight, yeah.
[1:29:51] Speaker 2: Oh.
[1:29:51] Speaker 3: It was the first thing he said. He's like, bro,
[1:29:53] Speaker 3: I healed faster than you following your protocol.
[1:29:55] Speaker 1: I mean, bro, we're on our shit.
[1:29:57] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:29:57] Speaker 1: We're on our shit. Our facility in Puerto Rico is– Yeah.
[1:30:01] Speaker 3: That's who's telling me.
[1:30:02] Speaker 1: Got all the things. And, but I sent him, I
[1:30:03] Speaker 1: sent him your video. It was like, you got to
[1:30:05] Speaker 1: beat this guy.
[1:30:05] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:30:07] Speaker 1: Well, cause also he had no choice.
[1:30:08] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:30:08] Speaker 1: He was fighting Tyson like.
[1:30:10] Speaker 3: It's crazy.
[1:30:10] Speaker 1: 19 days.
[1:30:11] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:30:11] Speaker 5: And, and, and healed a, I think it was a
[1:30:13] Speaker 5: grade two borderline grade three tear.
[1:30:16] Speaker 3: As far as I'm aware, it's the best healing protocol
[1:30:18] Speaker 3: in the world. No, when we did this, I looked
[1:30:20] Speaker 3: out like who's got the best healing protocol.
[1:30:22] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:30:22] Speaker 3: Bits and pieces, but nobody had done the stacked version
[1:30:24] Speaker 3: we did. Yeah. I think it's legit the best in
[1:30:26] Speaker 3: the world.
[1:30:26] Speaker 4: So it was BPC. And what was the other peptide?
[1:30:30] Speaker 3: Uh, TB four was for the ankle.
[1:30:33] Speaker 4: And then along, and then along with probably some sort of.
[1:30:35] Speaker 3: Like, yeah, the ankles. So if you're injured, um, one,
[1:30:39] Speaker 3: take it seriously. Don't just walk it off. You measure it.
[1:30:43] Speaker 3: So get an MRI or get ultrasound or, or, uh,
[1:30:45] Speaker 3: an x-ray, like depending on the severity. Um, then we
[1:30:49] Speaker 3: do seven therapies. So six, let me see my count. Um,
[1:30:52] Speaker 3: first is focused shockwave therapy.
[1:30:58] Speaker 1: No different.
[1:30:58] Speaker 3: A different, yeah. So this is acoustic waves.
[1:31:00] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:31:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, I have one upstairs.
[1:31:01] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:31:02] Speaker 3: So it accelerates healing. We're doing it right now for
[1:31:05] Speaker 3: my whole body, but when you have an injury, focus
[1:31:08] Speaker 3: shockwave therapy can accelerate the healing process. Two was peptides. Three,
[1:31:13] Speaker 3: we did PRP.
[1:31:15] Speaker 1: Yep, great.
[1:31:15] Speaker 3: Nice.
[1:31:16] Speaker 4: Yep.
[1:31:16] Speaker 3: Four, we did a magnetic EMG. It's a magnetic technology.
[1:31:21] Speaker 3: I forget now.
[1:31:22] Speaker 1: Is this PEMF?
[1:31:24] Speaker 3: No, we actually don't do PEMF.
[1:31:26] Speaker 1: Jake says PEMF is one of the biggest.
[1:31:27] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:31:29] Speaker 1: He's gotten injured more, but he lives and dies by
[1:31:30] Speaker 1: the PEMF machine.
[1:31:31] Speaker 3: So I know I've heard this. I think we touched
[1:31:34] Speaker 3: on that a little bit in our team. I think
[1:31:36] Speaker 3: the evidence is emergent. It's not clear. It hangs out
[1:31:39] Speaker 3: in that. I know it's popular in the sports world.
[1:31:41] Speaker 3: I've heard many people talk about it. I don't think
[1:31:44] Speaker 3: from our perspective the evidence is across the threshold, but
[1:31:46] Speaker 3: we do want to play with it and measure it. Yeah,
[1:31:49] Speaker 3: so then this magnetic thing, then light therapy, using red
[1:31:52] Speaker 3: light to accelerate healing.
[1:31:52] Speaker 1: Infrared?
[1:31:53] Speaker 2: Yep.
[1:31:54] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:31:54] Speaker 3: So i guess that was what six it's probably five
[1:31:56] Speaker 3: but yeah so that stacked protocol good then the peptides
[1:32:00] Speaker 3: okay okay so ibuprofen i don't think we did.
[1:32:05] Speaker 4: It all right moving moving quickly because i said rapid
[1:32:07] Speaker 4: fire and so that's that's your peptide all your experience
[1:32:10] Speaker 4: there any have you ever heard of pt-141 the sex
[1:32:13] Speaker 4: peptide so this is a it's been around but it's
[1:32:16] Speaker 4: starting to get a little bit more popular now as
[1:32:17] Speaker 4: we move into this world of uh Better sexual health. Obviously,
[1:32:22] Speaker 4: you've seen all of these digital wellness companies putting sildenafil
[1:32:27] Speaker 4: and tadalafil in the world, right? And people are using it.
[1:32:29] Speaker 4: Maybe they shouldn't be in certain circumstances. PT-141 is a
[1:32:33] Speaker 4: sex peptide that works on the brain of men and
[1:32:36] Speaker 4: women to increase dopamine response. So I think peptides are
[1:32:40] Speaker 4: very interesting and very cool. And I think there's a
[1:32:42] Speaker 4: lot more studies to do. One last question in that world,
[1:32:46] Speaker 4: semaglutides and ozempic, where do you see this whole thing going?
[1:32:50] Speaker 4: Is it a good thing? Is it a bad thing?
[1:32:51] Speaker 4: Is it studied, unstudied? Where are you on it? Yeah.
[1:32:53] Speaker 3: So on the, one other peptide I take is cerebrolysin.
[1:32:58] Speaker 4: Sounds brain-related.
[1:32:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So it's from pig brain. And it's meant for,
[1:33:03] Speaker 3: people take it for TBI and Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.
[1:33:06] Speaker 4: Oh, shit.
[1:33:07] Speaker 3: So we've been playing with that. The problem with peptides,
[1:33:08] Speaker 3: I would just say this. If you're going to do something, measure.
[1:33:12] Speaker 3: You always want to measure. And so if the problem
[1:33:15] Speaker 3: with peptides is, like, you do it, how do you
[1:33:17] Speaker 3: measure it? We have the same problem with cerebral lysine. Like,
[1:33:19] Speaker 3: how do we measure it? We're doing MRIs of the brain.
[1:33:21] Speaker 3: So that's what we come back to every time is, like,
[1:33:22] Speaker 3: if you hang out in, like, opinion land, you're always
[1:33:26] Speaker 3: in dangerous territory. If you can measure something, you're.
[1:33:28] Speaker 1: Much better off. The brain's tough, no? The brain's a
[1:33:30] Speaker 1: tough one.
[1:33:31] Speaker 4: For sure.
[1:33:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, MRI gives you good data, but generally speaking, you.
[1:33:35] Speaker 1: Can look at- What data does an MRI give you?
[1:33:37] Speaker 3: Oh, amazing. MRI is the best. Blood flow and- Yeah,
[1:33:43] Speaker 3: so I'm the most measured MRI person in the world.
[1:33:46] Speaker 3: I've spent over 100 hours in MRI over the past
[1:33:47] Speaker 3: four years.
[1:33:48] Speaker 1: Do you have a- How many MRIs have you done?
[1:33:51] Speaker 3: Probably like 50, 60, something like that.
[1:33:53] Speaker 1: Bro, I'm- Probably right under you.
[1:33:56] Speaker 3: Really?
[1:33:56] Speaker 1: Dude, I have riddled with injury.
[1:33:59] Speaker 3: Oh, no.
[1:34:00] Speaker 4: What?
[1:34:00] Speaker 3: I mean, from?
[1:34:02] Speaker 1: Everything. I mean, just actually most of them are kind
[1:34:05] Speaker 1: of like freak accidents.
[1:34:06] Speaker 3: That makes me very worried. Tell me what happened.
[1:34:08] Speaker 1: What do you want to start?
[1:34:10] Speaker 5: I lost 15% of my testicle. I got a metal
[1:34:12] Speaker 5: plate the size of a quarter in my head. I
[1:34:14] Speaker 5: have a 40-millimeter screw in my right hand.
[1:34:18] Speaker 1: Both knee surgeries. Our knee surgery on both knees before
[1:34:22] Speaker 1: the age of 18.
[1:34:22] Speaker 2: Wow.
[1:34:24] Speaker 4: And keep in mind, his is only a percentile of mine.
[1:34:27] Speaker 4: I'm worse. Yeah, man.
[1:34:28] Speaker 1: We're fucked up.
[1:34:29] Speaker 4: We're bad. Splenectomies, broken femur, shattered ankle, brain, concussions left
[1:34:36] Speaker 4: and right. Yeah, we're fucked up, dude. Yeah, concussions.
[1:34:39] Speaker 3: That makes me very worried.
[1:34:41] Speaker 4: Why?
[1:34:42] Speaker 1: Why are you worried? I'm good now. I'm being preventative.
[1:34:44] Speaker 1: I know you now, so.
[1:34:45] Speaker 3: I'm all right.
[1:34:47] Speaker 4: H-Bot.
[1:34:47] Speaker 3: Yeah, so we should actually, after we do this, we
[1:34:49] Speaker 3: should go upstairs. I'll do the... The focal shockwave therapy
[1:34:54] Speaker 3: on you.
[1:34:54] Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
[1:34:55] Speaker 3: It will find your injury.
[1:34:57] Speaker 1: Really?
[1:34:57] Speaker 3: We'll go over an area.
[1:34:59] Speaker 1: I'm solid now. And I say that like I'm so
[1:35:02] Speaker 1: grateful that I'm solid now.
[1:35:04] Speaker 4: I'm not.
[1:35:04] Speaker 1: I stay solid. What's going on, Michael?
[1:35:06] Speaker 4: It's just my ankle. Oh, yeah.
[1:35:07] Speaker 1: His ankle's off. I mean, this guy might as well
[1:35:09] Speaker 1: cut his leg off.
[1:35:10] Speaker 4: I'm at that stage. I need fusion.
[1:35:12] Speaker 1: Wow.
[1:35:12] Speaker 4: I'm fully arthritic.
[1:35:13] Speaker 3: 100%.
[1:35:14] Speaker 4: Yeah, end stage.
[1:35:15] Speaker 1: Let's do it.
[1:35:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll see. We'll just roll it around.
[1:35:18] Speaker 1: But again, I'm good now. So what would it show me? Yeah.
[1:35:21] Speaker 3: So- but you're good about what measure?
[1:35:23] Speaker 1: I feel okay.
[1:35:24] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:35:25] Speaker 3: So, yeah.
[1:35:26] Speaker 1: So I have a little lower back thing going on.
[1:35:28] Speaker 4: Ooh.
[1:35:29] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:35:29] Speaker 1: A little bit. Yeah.
[1:35:31] Speaker 3: So we, we, we should get an MRI Logan of
[1:35:33] Speaker 3: your whole body.
[1:35:35] Speaker 1: I have recently. Okay.
[1:35:36] Speaker 3: And did you quantify it? I like how your joints,
[1:35:39] Speaker 3: you know, I think so.
[1:35:41] Speaker 4: You did a full scan.
[1:35:42] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[1:35:42] Speaker 3: Brain volumes. You looked at all the spine and stuff. Yeah.
[1:35:45] Speaker 1: And how is everything good?
[1:35:47] Speaker 4: No tumors.
[1:35:48] Speaker 2: No.
[1:35:49] Speaker 4: How do you feel about full scan as preventative?
[1:35:53] Speaker 5: Yeah, I do it every year. You have to be preventative.
[1:35:56] Speaker 5: That's one thing I've certainly learned. And with injuries, I've failed.
[1:36:01] Speaker 5: To be reactionary on your body is the worst thing ever.
[1:36:04] Speaker 5: So to be preventative and assume these things are going
[1:36:07] Speaker 5: to happen... And then do what you can to prevent
[1:36:10] Speaker 5: them by strengthening certain parts of your body, especially the
[1:36:13] Speaker 5: compromised parts. Not everyone's an athlete, but I have bad knees.
[1:36:16] Speaker 5: So I'm going to strain my legs often.
[1:36:20] Speaker 4: Where do you scan?
[1:36:23] Speaker 3: We have multiple facilities.
[1:36:25] Speaker 4: You do?
[1:36:26] Speaker 3: No, we go to multiple facilities. We came up with
[1:36:30] Speaker 3: all these unique protocols. So we want to measure certain
[1:36:34] Speaker 3: MRI scans to standard stuff. And we wanted to do
[1:36:37] Speaker 3: more than standard stuff. We wanted to isolate certain organs
[1:36:40] Speaker 3: or certain processes. So we had to build our own protocols.
[1:36:43] Speaker 3: And we'd go to MRI facilities and be like, can
[1:36:44] Speaker 3: you do this? Sorry, no. So we've built the world's
[1:36:47] Speaker 3: best protocol to scan all joints, all systems, all organs.
[1:36:52] Speaker 1: I would love to go.
[1:36:53] Speaker 3: I'll set you up.
[1:36:54] Speaker 1: That'd be awesome. Yeah, it does.
[1:36:55] Speaker 5: I do want to get out of here because I
[1:36:57] Speaker 5: know you got like a 6 p.m. cut off before
[1:36:59] Speaker 5: you can stop eating and we're supposed to do one
[1:37:00] Speaker 5: of your dinners. I just have one more question and
[1:37:02] Speaker 5: I got to get a soundbite. Why did you take
[1:37:04] Speaker 5: your son's blood and put it in your body?
[1:37:06] Speaker 3: I mean, my son is here.
[1:37:07] Speaker 4: Talmadge.
[1:37:07] Speaker 3: You want to.
[1:37:08] Speaker 1: Come say hi?
[1:37:09] Speaker 4: Talmadge. Talmadge.
[1:37:10] Speaker 1: Talmadge.
[1:37:12] Speaker 3: Talmadge is amazing.
[1:37:14] Speaker 5: I'm going to give a quick spoiler in the documentary.
[1:37:16] Speaker 5: He was going off to college. You guys dropped him
[1:37:18] Speaker 5: off at the dorm room. Saw him when I walked in.
[1:37:20] Speaker 5: First thing I asked him, I said, how are you
[1:37:21] Speaker 5: liking college?
[1:37:23] Speaker 1: Gap year.
[1:37:24] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:37:25] Speaker 1: That didn't last very long. Didn't last very long.
[1:37:28] Speaker 2: Short lives. Yeah.
[1:37:29] Speaker 5: If you wouldn't mind, uh, However best you can Talmadge
[1:37:33] Speaker 5: when you speak, just try, try to talk into the mic.
[1:37:36] Speaker 1: So yeah, not in college. Gave your, gave your dad
[1:37:38] Speaker 1: your blood.
[1:37:39] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[1:37:40] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:37:40] Speaker 1: He's blinked twice. If he tricked you into doing it,
[1:37:44] Speaker 1: I would, I would never.
[1:37:47] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:37:48] Speaker 7: Well, so he was, um, talking with his dad and
[1:37:50] Speaker 7: his dad was experiencing cognitive decline. And so he offered
[1:37:54] Speaker 7: to do this plasma exchange with my grandfather. And then
[1:37:57] Speaker 7: they were doing this for medical reasons. And then he
[1:38:00] Speaker 7: asked me if I wanted to do it. And I
[1:38:02] Speaker 7: said yes immediately. So we did the world's first tri-generational
[1:38:05] Speaker 7: plasma exchange. And now I have the title Blood Boy.
[1:38:08] Speaker 5: I have to say that moment in the Netflix doc
[1:38:14] Speaker 5: was like beautiful, guys.
[1:38:15] Speaker 1: It was beautiful. I wasn't sure what to make of
[1:38:17] Speaker 1: the doc. And I told you this yesterday, Brian.
[1:38:19] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:38:19] Speaker 5: I was like, unsure how they were going to... I
[1:38:21] Speaker 5: was 20 minutes in. I was like, how are they
[1:38:22] Speaker 5: going to make this a total... And it's you guys.
[1:38:24] Speaker 5: You guys are the story. And that moment between the
[1:38:26] Speaker 5: three generations exchanging blood from... young to old, correct, was
[1:38:32] Speaker 5: like you gave blood to your dad and you gave
[1:38:35] Speaker 5: blood to your dad was a really beautiful moment, especially
[1:38:38] Speaker 5: considering the backstory with the church and the fallout. It's
[1:38:43] Speaker 5: a good doc.
[1:38:44] Speaker 1: It's a good doc, guys. How are people.
[1:38:47] Speaker 5: Responding to you in the doc, you have a prominent
[1:38:51] Speaker 5: role in a pretty significant Netflix documentary.
[1:38:55] Speaker 1: You're essentially famous now.
[1:38:57] Speaker 5: Are people reacting to you on the streets?
[1:39:00] Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the biggest thing that I found is
[1:39:03] Speaker 7: that there are so many people who are my age
[1:39:06] Speaker 7: who want to be healthy and they feel like they
[1:39:09] Speaker 7: aren't justified in doing it or they feel ostracized if
[1:39:11] Speaker 7: they do it. So it's almost as if me doing
[1:39:15] Speaker 7: it in the relationship I have with my dad People
[1:39:17] Speaker 7: are vicariously living through me to experience social validation for
[1:39:23] Speaker 7: being healthy. So I'm hoping that it some in a
[1:39:27] Speaker 7: way gives people permission that yes, you can prioritize sleep. No,
[1:39:31] Speaker 7: you don't have to go out and drink or party
[1:39:34] Speaker 7: to have friends. So hopefully that's sparking some level of change.
[1:39:40] Speaker 4: Cool. His generation is doing it. How old are you? 19.
[1:39:44] Speaker 4: They're extremely sober curious. They're focused on their health. I
[1:39:49] Speaker 4: think this is going to be the generation where you
[1:39:50] Speaker 4: start to see an increase in response to that type
[1:39:53] Speaker 4: of health.
[1:39:53] Speaker 5: Would you say your gang is neurotypical or not?
[1:40:00] Speaker 3: I try to.
[1:40:03] Speaker 3: I try to.
[1:40:04] Speaker 7: I realize that I'm also an NPC like everyone else. And...
[1:40:08] Speaker 7: We imitate those around us. So I try to have
[1:40:12] Speaker 7: some self-awareness about how I act. But at the same time,
[1:40:19] Speaker 7: I live in a world where we prioritize health. And
[1:40:22] Speaker 7: so it's so normal to me. So I've seen him
[1:40:25] Speaker 7: as a father and he's so normal to me. But
[1:40:27] Speaker 7: when I rub up my perception against the world's perception,
[1:40:30] Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, he's crazy to people. I don't see
[1:40:34] Speaker 7: it because I'm in it. And so it's like a
[1:40:36] Speaker 7: common pattern that whatever group you're in, whatever social norms
[1:40:40] Speaker 7: you do, you can't see the craziness of it.
[1:40:43] Speaker 1: So I try to step outside of it.
[1:40:45] Speaker 4: Damn it. This kid's smart.
[1:40:47] Speaker 1: You're ahead of your years, young man. Yeah, good for you. Amazing, dude. Brian,
[1:40:52] Speaker 1: you should be proud, dude.
[1:40:53] Speaker 3: I am so proud of him.
[1:40:55] Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
[1:40:55] Speaker 1: We just got to get the other two on board.
[1:40:56] Speaker 1: What the fuck, guys? Honestly, what the hell are you
[1:40:59] Speaker 1: guys doing?
[1:41:00] Speaker 5: I don't know them, dude, but I watch this doc
[1:41:02] Speaker 5: and I'm like, Man, to have a severed family because
[1:41:08] Speaker 5: of a church.
[1:41:11] Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
[1:41:11] Speaker 1: It makes me sad, man.
[1:41:12] Speaker 5: It makes me sad, especially because like Mike said, I
[1:41:16] Speaker 5: don't think anything you're saying is like too controversial.
[1:41:19] Speaker 1: You're making a lot of sense, dude.
[1:41:20] Speaker 5: You're making a lot of sense and you're actually doing
[1:41:22] Speaker 5: something I think that is extremely noble for our species.
[1:41:25] Speaker 5: Because if we can take even a fraction of the
[1:41:28] Speaker 5: things you are doing and the learnings that we're going
[1:41:31] Speaker 5: to find out.
[1:41:31] Speaker 1: Because of you. and extend our life by, by what?
[1:41:35] Speaker 5: 10 minutes, six months, a year. Any of those answers
[1:41:38] Speaker 5: makes it worth it. Kind of, unless, you know, you
[1:41:41] Speaker 5: want to have a 10, 10 burger, but, um, let's,
[1:41:44] Speaker 5: let's go, let's go do your don't die dinner.
[1:41:45] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:41:46] Speaker 5: Um, this has been great. I, I, I was very
[1:41:50] Speaker 5: excited for this podcast. It definitely delivered. Let's continue to
[1:41:52] Speaker 5: chop it up. Um, Brian Johnson, Johnson, Talmadge. Thank you
[1:41:56] Speaker 5: guys for joining us.
[1:41:57] Speaker 3: Can I, can I leave, can I leave you guys
[1:41:58] Speaker 3: with one thing?
[1:41:59] Speaker 4: Sure.
[1:41:59] Speaker 1: All right.
[1:41:59] Speaker 3: So, uh, For those of you at home, I hope
[1:42:02] Speaker 3: we delivered on some practical stuff. Here's the backdrop. I
[1:42:06] Speaker 3: would invite you to contemplate this entire conversation. So again,
[1:42:09] Speaker 3: travel back in time, and you're hanging out with Homo
[1:42:11] Speaker 3: erectus a million years ago. You're like, Homo erectus, tell
[1:42:15] Speaker 3: us about the reasons why you want to exist. What
[1:42:17] Speaker 3: are you looking forward to?
[1:42:19] Speaker 1: They would not have an answer for it. They'd be like,
[1:42:21] Speaker 1: what do you mean? I'm just surviving.
[1:42:23] Speaker 3: All right, we're going to find more berries. We're going
[1:42:26] Speaker 3: to forage more, hunt more, go to war more.
[1:42:28] Speaker 5: I mean, their answer would kind of ironically be like,
[1:42:31] Speaker 5: I don't want to die.
[1:42:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So they wouldn't know the reality we exist
[1:42:39] Speaker 3: in right now. But they wouldn't know how to imagine
[1:42:42] Speaker 3: smartphones and antibiotics, airplanes, the internet, AI, which just generates intelligence.
[1:42:49] Speaker 3: So they couldn't articulate any ideas. So they wouldn't. But
[1:42:52] Speaker 3: if you could be like, Hey, homework, just like you
[1:42:54] Speaker 3: want to be around because the future is pretty amazing. Like,
[1:42:59] Speaker 3: like it's going to blow your mind. You can't even
[1:43:01] Speaker 3: begin to imagine. So I want to propose the reason
[1:43:05] Speaker 3: why we want to exist is I think that we're
[1:43:09] Speaker 3: going to traverse like a million years of evolutionary progress
[1:43:15] Speaker 3: in like five, 10, 15 years. Like it's, it's here.
[1:43:19] Speaker 3: The future is unimaginably different than what we can imagine.
[1:43:22] Speaker 3: We don't even know why we want the future. It's
[1:43:25] Speaker 3: going to be crazy. But I think it's worth us
[1:43:28] Speaker 3: wanting to play the game. We don't know how it's
[1:43:30] Speaker 3: going to turn out, but we're right there. And so
[1:43:35] Speaker 3: it's like this epic moment to exist. And it's our
[1:43:39] Speaker 3: opportunity to say yes to it. That's what this whole
[1:43:41] Speaker 3: thing is about, is saying yes to life. Let yes
[1:43:44] Speaker 3: to existence.
[1:43:45] Speaker 1: What I'm hearing is, don't die. If you... die, you're
[1:43:50] Speaker 1: going to have FOMO.
[1:43:52] Speaker 3: Basically.
[1:43:53] Speaker 1: FOMO is the worst.
[1:43:55] Speaker 3: That's a good summary.
[1:43:56] Speaker 1: It is so true.
[1:43:57] Speaker 5: I'll tell you something. Man, I want to see what's
[1:43:59] Speaker 5: going to happen in the next 20. I am eager
[1:44:03] Speaker 5: to see what this next couple decades.
[1:44:05] Speaker 4: I just want the flying cars, man. I've been waiting for.
[1:44:07] Speaker 1: A long time.
[1:44:09] Speaker 4: There's flying cars on there.
[1:44:11] Speaker 1: Let's get it. Brian Johnson, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. Hey,
[1:44:13] Speaker 1: Impulsive guys. Listen, thanks for watching. If you're not subscribed,
[1:44:16] Speaker 1: hit that subscribe button. We'll see you next time. Take
[1:44:18] Speaker 1: it easy. Peace.

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