# Black Box: The Chatbots | Spirals | Ep 1

An episode of [Today in Focus](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1440133626), 5 Sep 2026, 40 min.

Audio: https://flex.acast.com/audio.guim.co.uk/2026/09/04-54752-20260905tifbb2.mp3

Across the world, hundreds of people have come to believe they have made extraordinary scientific discoveries with AI chatbots such as ChatGPT, Claude and Gemini. Others say their AI has ‘awakened’, or is leading them to a higher spiritual realm. The Guardian journalist Michael Safi investigates a phenomenon labelled ‘AI psychosis’, travelling to the US to meet two people who have been on weird journeys with their chatbots. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/infocus

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