# Should parents still be forcing teenagers to attend family gatherings they don't want to attend?

An episode of [Anele and the Club on 947](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1439319789), 23 Sep 2026, 17 min.

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It’s a Saturday afternoon, and the family has a big lunch, birthday or family gathering planned. Everyone is expected to be there… except the teenager who suddenly has “plans,” doesn’t feel like going, or would rather stay home. The parent says, “Absolutely not. You’re coming with us.” The teenager says, “But why must I go somewhere I don’t even want to be?” At what point do parents stop forcing teenagers to attend every family gathering and start respecting that they’re old enough to have their own social lives and make some of their own choices? Should parents still be forcing teenagers to attend family gatherings they don’t want to attend? Hang out with Anele and The Club on 947 every weekday morning. Popular radio hosts Anele Mdoda, Frankie du Toit, Thembekile Mrototo, and Cindy Poluta take fun to the next level with the biggest guests, hottest conversations, feel-good vibes, and the best music to get you going! Kick-start your day with the best way to wake up in Joburg Connect with Anele and The Club on 947 via WhatsApp at 084 000 0947 or call the studio on 011 88 38 947 Thank you for listening. Listen live on Primedia+ weekdays from 6 am to 9 am (South African time) https://buff.ly/y34dh8Y For more from the show and catch-up podcasts, visit Primedia+ https://buff.ly/K59GRzu Subscribe to the 947 weekly newsletter here https://buff.ly/hf9IuR9 Let’s keep the conversation going online: 947 on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/947Joburg 947 on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@947joburg 947 on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/947joburg 947 on X: https://x.com/947 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Wake up with a bang. Hey, wake up! Anele and
[0:04] Speaker 1: the Club on 947.
[0:05] Speaker 2: If there are family plans and then your teenager decides, no,
[0:12] Speaker 2: they don't want to go along to the family plans,
[0:14] Speaker 2: or maybe like you guys have said, okay, Sunday lunch,
[0:17] Speaker 2: we're going to the Ocean Basket.
[0:20] Speaker 1: Let's go.
[0:21] Speaker 2: And then the teenager's like, no, I'd rather stay at home,
[0:23] Speaker 2: no thanks. Or maybe Sunday lunch is at Nana's house
[0:25] Speaker 2: or Friday night there's a games night at your brother's
[0:29] Speaker 2: house and their kids are there and you guys are
[0:32] Speaker 2: there as a family. Just when there are family plans
[0:35] Speaker 2: and then you've reached the point where your teenager doesn't
[0:38] Speaker 2: want to go along with you guys any longer, do
[0:40] Speaker 2: you force them?
[0:44] Speaker 3: Because teenagers reach a point where they can now– Actuate
[0:48] Speaker 3: their self-determination. And they can say, I don't think that
[0:52] Speaker 3: I should be joining you. I'm going to stay home
[0:54] Speaker 3: and play games. I don't think you can force them
[0:57] Speaker 3: to go.
[0:57] Speaker 4: Can you?
[0:58] Speaker 5: 100% you're forcing them.
[1:00] Speaker 4: Oh, really?
[1:00] Speaker 6: Yes.
[1:01] Speaker 5: Because it's so much easier for a teenager to stay
[1:05] Speaker 5: home because they've got the whole world on their phone, right?
[1:08] Speaker 5: But you need them to come sit at a restaurant
[1:10] Speaker 5: to sit and talk to you because that's a soft skill.
[1:12] Speaker 1: Sitting in a bored environment.
[1:15] Speaker 5: speaking to adults around you, small talk, you know, the
[1:18] Speaker 5: stuff we do every day in the office.
[1:19] Speaker 1: So where do they learn that?
[1:20] Speaker 5: They learn that growing up. So they learn that by
[1:22] Speaker 5: going to sit and listen to adults talk and then
[1:25] Speaker 5: engage with the waiter, all the basic things. You live
[1:30] Speaker 5: under my roof.
[1:30] Speaker 1: You're coming where we're going. There we go. I'm so
[1:32] Speaker 1: glad you just got to the final line.
[1:34] Speaker 5: Unless you're writing an exam tomorrow and you need to
[1:38] Speaker 5: study like it's important, etc.
[1:40] Speaker 1: And there's a valid reason.
[1:42] Speaker 4: But generally, no.
[1:43] Speaker 2: But even then, I think you kind of have to
[1:46] Speaker 2: earn my trust in you to be able to stay
[1:48] Speaker 2: at home and study without being monitored.
[1:51] Speaker 7: Right?
[1:51] Speaker 8: Right.
[1:53] Speaker 2: Because you could just be like, oh, no, I've got
[1:54] Speaker 2: exams and I want to study. And then you're sitting
[1:57] Speaker 2: and playing Fortnite the entire time. I think if the
[2:00] Speaker 2: family has plans, you are coming with because as a family,
[2:05] Speaker 2: the adults in this household made plans for the family.
[2:08] Speaker 2: The people who run this family made plans to go
[2:11] Speaker 2: visit another family.
[2:13] Speaker 1: So you're going to come with. And Cindy's right.
[2:15] Speaker 2: Because I listen to a lot of people like, oh,
[2:16] Speaker 2: I hate small talk. My angel small talk is what's
[2:19] Speaker 2: going to get you everything you want in the world
[2:21] Speaker 2: because you're.
[2:22] Speaker 1: Not just going to have big talks, right?
[2:24] Speaker 2: You're not just going to fall out of nowhere and
[2:26] Speaker 2: start discussing.
[2:26] Speaker 1: 10 million rent deals.
[2:27] Speaker 2: 10 million rent deals, are started by what?
[2:31] Speaker 1: Small talk.
[2:32] Speaker 2: Caring about what the other person is saying. Then you
[2:34] Speaker 2: have a conversation. So where are you going to learn that?
[2:37] Speaker 2: By just going out and having chats with people that
[2:40] Speaker 2: you feel, oh, this is boring.
[2:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, but does it mean that as a teenager, I
[2:43] Speaker 3: have to go to all of these? I get it.
[2:45] Speaker 3: I get it. We'll go to most of them. But
[2:47] Speaker 3: every now and again, I don't want to join you guys.
[2:49] Speaker 3: I'm going to stay home.
[2:50] Speaker 2: So at which age are you allowing your teenager then
[2:52] Speaker 2: to say?
[2:53] Speaker 4: Well, I think it's like 17. Okay.
[2:56] Speaker 9: 16, 17.
[2:56] Speaker 1: Okay, I'm happy with 17.
[2:59] Speaker 4: Is that when you'll say yes?
[3:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when... Because we also now.
[3:02] Speaker 4: Cindy's shaking her head.
[3:05] Speaker 7: Oh, not 17.
[3:05] Speaker 4: 21.
[3:06] Speaker 9: Oh. 21?
[3:06] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[3:09] Speaker 5: So after 18, you've gone off to varsity. What you
[3:11] Speaker 5: do at varsity during the week, I can't have control over.
[3:15] Speaker 5: But there are certain things. We are a family. We
[3:17] Speaker 5: go to family things together. Unless there's a valid reason. Yes,
[3:21] Speaker 5: I'm not excusing. Not all families get along.
[3:23] Speaker 1: Blah, blah, blah.
[3:24] Speaker 4: But.
[3:25] Speaker 5: Also, not all families get along. It's a good place
[3:27] Speaker 5: for you to learn how to handle conflict.
[3:29] Speaker 1: Right?
[3:31] Speaker 5: So you are robbing children of soft skills, which are
[3:34] Speaker 5: actually very valuable for when they get into the workplace
[3:36] Speaker 5: because now you go to work and your boss asks
[3:39] Speaker 5: you a question and he's quite authoritative like your uncle
[3:42] Speaker 5: would be and now you don't know how to reply
[3:44] Speaker 5: because you've never come across against an older uncle who's
[3:46] Speaker 5: challenged you.
[3:48] Speaker 9: So is it a blanket rule or is it a
[3:52] Speaker 9: terms and conditions apply sort of situation to a let's
[3:55] Speaker 9: say there are eight big family things in a year,
[3:58] Speaker 9: do you have to go to all of them, let's
[4:00] Speaker 9: say at 16, or just majority?
[4:04] Speaker 2: I think it's a terms and conditions apply either way.
[4:08] Speaker 2: Because if it's a blanket rule that you come to everything,
[4:11] Speaker 2: I don't think that's fair. But if it's a blanket
[4:13] Speaker 2: rule that you've decided that you are a teenager and
[4:17] Speaker 2: you don't go to anything because everything is boring and oh,
[4:20] Speaker 2: you know.
[4:20] Speaker 4: I don't want to go.
[4:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, this family is not a safe space for my
[4:25] Speaker 2: mental state. You know what I'm saying? Then you go
[4:28] Speaker 2: to nothing. Then that's also wrong.
[4:30] Speaker 5: And then you turn around as a parent and you go,
[4:32] Speaker 5: my child doesn't listen to me when I tell them
[4:33] Speaker 5: they have to do things. It's like, yes, because you've
[4:35] Speaker 5: allowed them the freedom of choice for everything else. And
[4:38] Speaker 5: I'm not saying rob your children of freedom of choice.
[4:40] Speaker 5: There's discussions around everything, but.
[4:42] Speaker 1: This is where it is. This is our rule.
[4:45] Speaker 4: This is how it goes.
[4:46] Speaker 1: 011-8838-947.
[4:47] Speaker 2: I want to hear from parents and teenagers alike, right? Teenagers,
[4:54] Speaker 2: do you expect us to respect you when you say.
[4:57] Speaker 1: Respect your choice... when.
[4:59] Speaker 2: You say no you don't want to go to a
[5:01] Speaker 2: family thing and how does it work how many family
[5:03] Speaker 2: things are you going to then attend yeah.
[5:06] Speaker 4: And does it does that cause a massive fight in
[5:07] Speaker 4: the house.
[5:08] Speaker 2: Yes and then parents jump in here as well how
[5:11] Speaker 2: are you navigating the ever-changing you know uh preferences of
[5:17] Speaker 2: your teenage children because sooner or later they're out of
[5:19] Speaker 2: the house right um If they say they don't want
[5:23] Speaker 2: to come to a family braai, you say thumbs up
[5:25] Speaker 2: and you leave them?
[5:26] Speaker 1: Or do you put your foot down and say, no,
[5:28] Speaker 1: my angel, you are family. It is a family braai.
[5:30] Speaker 4: We're going.
[5:31] Speaker 1: Connect the dots. Go put on your shoes. We are
[5:34] Speaker 1: absolutely going.
[5:35] Speaker 6: 084-0000947.
[5:35] Speaker 1: How does this work in your household? The past Saturday,
[5:37] Speaker 1: there was a wedding. And it was four hours in
[5:46] Speaker 1: another province, basically.
[5:48] Speaker 7: My teenager didn't want to go.
[5:50] Speaker 2: So he ended up staying in the car the entire wedding.
[5:54] Speaker 1: I've learned a lesson not to force them to come
[5:56] Speaker 1: with us.
[5:57] Speaker 4: This is not a democracy. You're living under my roof.
[6:00] Speaker 4: You'll do what I say.
[6:01] Speaker 8: Plans are not negotiable.
[6:03] Speaker 1: You go out as a family, all of us. Because
[6:06] Speaker 1: it's been planned.
[6:07] Speaker 8: Honestly, I feel.
[6:07] Speaker 7: Like we're giving teenagers too much power and too much
[6:10] Speaker 7: free reign in this day and age. I was never
[6:13] Speaker 7: asked as a teenager if I wanted to tag along
[6:15] Speaker 7: or not.
[6:16] Speaker 3: I did reach a point at some stage where I
[6:18] Speaker 3: was like, no, I don't want to go.
[6:19] Speaker 1: But this is, at what age was that?
[6:21] Speaker 4: Around 17. Yeah, because we.
[6:23] Speaker 2: Like the 17-year-old in Almut, he now wants to start
[6:28] Speaker 2: going on holiday by himself.
[6:29] Speaker 1: I'm like, at 17, my darling.
[6:31] Speaker 4: With his friends?
[6:32] Speaker 6: Yes.
[6:32] Speaker 2: Yes.
[6:33] Speaker 5: And to the lady that like said her child was
[6:35] Speaker 5: sitting in the car for four hours and she goes,
[6:38] Speaker 5: I learned my lesson. No, your child learned their lesson.
[6:41] Speaker 5: Next time they're going to come along and they can
[6:42] Speaker 5: choose if they're sitting in the car or they're coming.
[6:44] Speaker 1: Outside and they're dancing and having a good time. Lina,
[6:47] Speaker 1: you're in Pimble. Good morning.
[6:49] Speaker 10: Good morning, Anilene.
[6:51] Speaker 1: Morning, Lina. How are you doing?
[6:53] Speaker 10: I'm good, thanks.
[6:54] Speaker 1: Good talk to you guys. Okay, we're good, we're good.
[6:57] Speaker 1: Is everybody good, Timbukili?
[6:59] Speaker 4: Sandy?
[7:00] Speaker 5: Oh, no, we don't have time, Timbukili.
[7:02] Speaker 9: I'm the teenager.
[7:04] Speaker 1: He's forced to be at work, Lina. What do you
[7:07] Speaker 1: think we should be doing in this situation?
[7:10] Speaker 10: We're definitely forcing them.
[7:12] Speaker 9: Why?
[7:14] Speaker 10: Family values. They need to understand that even if we
[7:19] Speaker 10: are not getting along as a family, We're going to
[7:22] Speaker 10: go there. We're going to talk to each other. And
[7:25] Speaker 10: I say this because I come from the township and
[7:28] Speaker 10: I see how men especially hang around in the corners
[7:33] Speaker 10: on a Friday, Saturday, Sunday. They're not with their families
[7:36] Speaker 10: because they were never forced to be part of a
[7:40] Speaker 10: family system. So if you allow that, it's going to go,
[7:44] Speaker 10: it's supposed over into adulthood. They won't be able to
[7:48] Speaker 10: sit in a boardroom. They won't be able to sit outside.
[7:51] Speaker 10: in teen buildings because they are being allowed from home.
[7:56] Speaker 2: And they won't be able to sit at a school
[7:59] Speaker 2: for a school meeting for your parents' evening or they
[8:02] Speaker 2: won't be able to sit at your child's school for
[8:04] Speaker 2: a school concert because they were just never taught to
[8:07] Speaker 2: show up for family because.
[8:08] Speaker 1: That's what it is. You're just simply showing up for family.
[8:11] Speaker 1: I agree with you, Lina.
[8:12] Speaker 8: Yes, definitely.
[8:15] Speaker 1: And in terms of holiday, wait, how old are your kids?
[8:19] Speaker 10: I've got a 22-year-old, a 21-year-old, a 16, and a 10-year-old.
[8:23] Speaker 4: Okay, cool.
[8:25] Speaker 2: So at which age are they allowed to then to
[8:28] Speaker 2: not go on family holidays and they can go with
[8:30] Speaker 2: their own people?
[8:32] Speaker 10: At the moment, they have not had a choice. I
[8:37] Speaker 10: think when they're 23, 24. But we are a family
[8:41] Speaker 10: and we're going together. Whether you like it or not,
[8:44] Speaker 10: we are a family. And I'm just doing this so
[8:47] Speaker 10: that my son and my daughter can understand the importance
[8:52] Speaker 10: of being around each other. Extended family. It's very important
[8:57] Speaker 10: because one day I won't be here.
[9:00] Speaker 6: Yes.
[9:01] Speaker 2: And you guys have to have a relationship where you
[9:04] Speaker 2: guys want to be around each other because you're family.
[9:07] Speaker 1: Yes.
[9:08] Speaker 10: And you're extended family as well. So they know that
[9:12] Speaker 10: they have time for their cousins. We do that every month.
[9:17] Speaker 10: Whether they're talking to their cousins or not, they're going
[9:19] Speaker 10: to make up. Because I will not be here. Their
[9:22] Speaker 10: father will not be here. They must be able to
[9:25] Speaker 10: go to someone in their family and seek for help
[9:28] Speaker 10: or say, how do we deal with this? If you've
[9:31] Speaker 10: never taught them, it's going to be a problem.
[9:34] Speaker 1: Give her a round of applause.
[9:35] Speaker 4: She's right.
[9:36] Speaker 1: It also gives you a.
[9:39] Speaker 5: Like almost a sense of security that there is a
[9:41] Speaker 5: wider unit.
[9:42] Speaker 1: Outside of you.
[9:43] Speaker 5: Because these days as humans we've become like we're living
[9:46] Speaker 5: in silos and we feel like we can't reach out
[9:48] Speaker 5: to each other. Going to family events and meeting extended
[9:51] Speaker 5: family lets you know that you're part of a bigger thing.
[9:54] Speaker 1: I didn't even know I had a choice. I was
[9:58] Speaker 1: not given a choice.
[9:59] Speaker 7: And they were when I went to university and then
[10:01] Speaker 7: I came back and I never knew that I had
[10:03] Speaker 7: a choice to not go. Well, I've got two teenage
[10:06] Speaker 7: boys in my household, the oldest, the 17 year old.
[10:09] Speaker 7: Like ever since he was a baby, he didn't want
[10:12] Speaker 7: to come with me to the mall with a younger brother. Yeah,
[10:15] Speaker 7: he's really not really a person that likes to go
[10:19] Speaker 7: around and whatever, socialize, whatever. But what I do now,
[10:24] Speaker 7: you're not coming with me when we're going out. You
[10:27] Speaker 7: don't get any food because that's where it hits.
[10:29] Speaker 1: Food, baby boy. Ernest, you and Alberton, good morning.
[10:33] Speaker 6: Good morning to you.
[10:34] Speaker 8: How are you, team?
[10:35] Speaker 1: We're great, Ernest.
[10:36] Speaker 10: How are you?
[10:38] Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm right. I think, you know, there's two things.
[10:41] Speaker 6: First of all, if you instruct him to do everything
[10:44] Speaker 6: all the time, Give them no decision. Where do they
[10:47] Speaker 6: get their decision-making skills from? Wouldn't it be better if
[10:51] Speaker 6: you explained to them what's important for them to attend
[10:55] Speaker 6: and convince them that it's better for them going forward
[10:58] Speaker 6: and let them decide that way. Come a time, you
[11:01] Speaker 6: say you will go.
[11:02] Speaker 1: Okay.
[11:03] Speaker 2: I was going to ask, let's say after all of
[11:05] Speaker 2: the negotiation and after all the explanation, they still say
[11:08] Speaker 2: they don't want to go.
[11:09] Speaker 4: Then what?
[11:11] Speaker 6: Well, depending on the importance of it, if it's... to pain.
[11:17] Speaker 6: No choice. But you've got to let them learn to
[11:20] Speaker 6: make their own decisions.
[11:22] Speaker 1: Do you know what I find as well? I find helps.
[11:27] Speaker 2: Because we're parents, right, and we're the adult, we like to,
[11:30] Speaker 2: you know, instruct things and immediately, like, it's like, we're
[11:34] Speaker 2: going now. But I find if you tell people ahead
[11:37] Speaker 2: of time, hey, on Sunday there's this thing, who's going
[11:41] Speaker 2: to be there?
[11:42] Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. It's a family thing. I
[11:44] Speaker 1: think we should all go.
[11:45] Speaker 2: Just think about it and we'll chat about it tomorrow.
[11:48] Speaker 2: That way you've given them the power and the agency
[11:51] Speaker 2: of thinking about it, deciding, weighing up the pros and cons,
[11:55] Speaker 2: looking at other things. Oh no, Man City's playing at
[11:58] Speaker 2: three o'clock. Will there be a TV for me to
[12:00] Speaker 2: be able to watch the soccer game? Then you say, yes,
[12:02] Speaker 2: other people are also going to watch the soccer or
[12:05] Speaker 2: the rugby or whatever. That way it's an ongoing conversation.
[12:08] Speaker 2: I find that my son, he like, he kind of
[12:11] Speaker 2: like tenses up when I give him something that has
[12:14] Speaker 2: to happen and we're going now.
[12:15] Speaker 8: It's almost like.
[12:15] Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[12:16] Speaker 4: We're leaving in two hours.
[12:18] Speaker 6: You tend to build up a bit of resentment with
[12:21] Speaker 6: all the instruction. You will, you will, you will.
[12:23] Speaker 5: Mm, mm.
[12:25] Speaker 1: You've got a great point.
[12:26] Speaker 3: But this is the reason why a lot of parents
[12:28] Speaker 3: let it slide. Because they don't want to build up
[12:30] Speaker 3: the resentment.
[12:32] Speaker 2: But also, there is a certain level of resentment that
[12:37] Speaker 2: your kids should have for you. No, but guys, this
[12:39] Speaker 2: thing of wanting to be liked by your kids, like.
[12:43] Speaker 2: I just think touch and go. You shouldn't be your kids' friends.
[12:46] Speaker 2: I always say I'm friendly with my children. I'm not
[12:49] Speaker 2: their friend.
[12:50] Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
[12:50] Speaker 2: There are some decisions that I am going to make
[12:52] Speaker 2: as the parent and you are simply going to go
[12:55] Speaker 2: with it and you can be dick back all you like,
[12:57] Speaker 2: my angel. You are going to be fine. You don't
[12:59] Speaker 2: cry blood.
[13:00] Speaker 4: Exactly.
[13:01] Speaker 1: Jason, you're in Mayors now.
[13:03] Speaker 6: Morning.
[13:04] Speaker 1: Morning, Jason.
[13:04] Speaker 8: So just to build up on what you said, with
[13:11] Speaker 8: letting people know in advance or letting kids know in advance.
[13:14] Speaker 8: My mom used to do that. So I didn't really
[13:16] Speaker 8: have a choice. She'll say, Sunday we're going here and
[13:19] Speaker 8: at this time. So I felt like I didn't have
[13:21] Speaker 8: a choice, but it did not make me tense up,
[13:26] Speaker 8: as you say. Also attending family functions, for example. It's
[13:32] Speaker 8: not like, yes, you deal with conflict, but also you
[13:34] Speaker 8: see the whole picture. So I'll give an example. My cousin,
[13:40] Speaker 8: she's not on talking terms with her dad, but yet
[13:42] Speaker 8: I only hear one side of the story because I
[13:44] Speaker 8: don't see my cousin. But now when I attend these
[13:46] Speaker 8: family functions, I see that, oh no, the dad's not
[13:50] Speaker 8: all in the right because I also see the perspective
[13:53] Speaker 8: of my cousin. And because of that conflict management, I'm like, ah,
[13:57] Speaker 8: so because I've attended this event, I see the.
[13:59] Speaker 4: Picture as a whole.
[14:00] Speaker 8: If I didn't attend these family functions, I wouldn't hear
[14:03] Speaker 8: from the dad part of the story.
[14:06] Speaker 2: And then it's like, yeah, the dad is right, the
[14:08] Speaker 2: adults are right, the adults are right. But once you
[14:10] Speaker 2: get to attend a function where your cousin is, then
[14:13] Speaker 2: you can see, but no, man, my cousin actually has
[14:16] Speaker 2: a point here.
[14:17] Speaker 1: This guy is the one that's in the wrong.
[14:19] Speaker 4: Yes.
[14:20] Speaker 8: How old are you now?
[14:23] Speaker 6: I'm 24.
[14:24] Speaker 8: So as a former teenager, and I know a lot
[14:26] Speaker 8: of teenagers are going to hate me, they should attend
[14:29] Speaker 8: these functions or these family events.
[14:31] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, Jason, and that's your point here.
[14:34] Speaker 3: Your reason as a teenager to not attend is maybe
[14:37] Speaker 3: a very important reason for you in this moment.
[14:40] Speaker 4: But down the road, and that's what you're saying, down
[14:43] Speaker 4: the road.
[14:43] Speaker 3: You're really glad your mom forced you to go because
[14:45] Speaker 3: it did force you to build relationships that you wouldn't.
[14:48] Speaker 4: Have built otherwise. Yes.
[14:51] Speaker 8: And if I can just add one more thing. So
[14:53] Speaker 8: sometimes at a family function event, there's no family member there,
[14:57] Speaker 8: but there'd be like a financial director or a CFO, CIO.
[15:02] Speaker 8: And then you learn posture, how to hold conversations. Because
[15:05] Speaker 8: I work in recruitment at Executive Search. Now I know
[15:08] Speaker 8: how to have those conversations with the senior people. I'm
[15:11] Speaker 8: like a junior consultant, but I know how to have
[15:12] Speaker 8: the conversation, have the posture, what to say, what not
[15:15] Speaker 8: to say, when to speak. So not only about family events.
[15:19] Speaker 2: Yes, because even in that moment, like I get the
[15:22] Speaker 2: family events I used to attend, right? We'd get there,
[15:25] Speaker 2: hang out a bit with the adults, and then you
[15:28] Speaker 2: break into silos of.
[15:29] Speaker 1: Your age groups, right?
[15:30] Speaker 4: Yes.
[15:30] Speaker 1: And then when it's time to eat, we then all
[15:32] Speaker 1: come together.
[15:32] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[15:33] Speaker 1: And then we're having all these conversations. And you're right, Jason.
[15:36] Speaker 2: That's actually where I learned to have this free flow
[15:38] Speaker 2: conversation with adults. and you're just chatting with them. Even now,
[15:42] Speaker 2: when I host lunches at my house, I insist that
[15:45] Speaker 2: kids sit with us when we're eating so that they
[15:48] Speaker 2: can have conversations with adults. And then afterwards, you guys
[15:50] Speaker 2: can go play soccer, you're going to swim, you're watching TV, you're.
[15:54] Speaker 1: Playing TV games. But there has to be a moment
[15:56] Speaker 1: where we are all together because that's where you learn
[15:58] Speaker 1: social skills.
[16:00] Speaker 8: Yes, I agree with that.
[16:02] Speaker 1: Jason, we agree with you.
[16:04] Speaker 4: We agree, Jason.
[16:05] Speaker 8: I know a lot of teenagers are going to dislike
[16:07] Speaker 8: me for saying that, but they should attend.
[16:09] Speaker 1: It's fine.
[16:09] Speaker 8: As a former teenager.
[16:10] Speaker 1: They need jobs.
[16:11] Speaker 8: I was a teenager six years ago, so it's pretty recent.
[16:14] Speaker 1: It's pretty recent.
[16:15] Speaker 2: It's pretty fresh. You know what you're talking about. And
[16:17] Speaker 2: you're a recruiter, Jason. They need jobs, so they better
[16:19] Speaker 2: agree with what you're saying.
[16:21] Speaker 1: Thanks, Jason.

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