# Nyala O's Mapaseka Koetle, Motlatsi Mafatshe and Tsholofelo Matshaba in studio

An episode of [Anele and the Club on 947](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1439319789), 18 Sep 2026, 33 min.

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If you’ve been watching Mzansi Magic’s Nyala O, you’ll know that these aren’t exactly the picture-perfect marriages they might look like from the outside. The telenovela follows three women and three marriages, exploring what happens after the wedding when love, money, secrets, resentment, forgiveness and identity start putting those relationships to the test. At the centre of one of those marriages is Kea Maponya, played by Mapaseka Koetle, and her husband Rhami Maponya, played by Motlatsi Mafatshe. Kea is a successful career woman who believes she has figured out the formula for a successful marriage, until she discovers a devastating secret about the man she has been married to for 15 years. And then there’s Kea’s older sister Mapula, played by Tsholofelo Matshaba. Her marriage to Ernest is entering a completely different kind of crisis. She’s trying to maintain a certain lifestyle while financial secrets and questionable spending start catching up with her and Ernest is beginning to realise that there may be a lot more going on with their money than he knew. Hang out with Anele and The Club on 947 every weekday morning. Popular radio hosts Anele Mdoda, Frankie du Toit, Thembekile Mrototo, and Cindy Poluta take fun to the next level with the biggest guests, hottest conversations, feel-good vibes, and the best music to get you going! Kick-start your day with the best way to wake up in Joburg Connect with Anele and The Club on 947 via WhatsApp at 084 000 0947 or call the studio on 011 88 38 947 Thank you for listening. Listen live on Primedia+ weekdays from 6 am to 9 am (South African time) https://buff.ly/y34dh8Y For more from the show and catch-up podcasts, visit Primedia+ https://buff.ly/K59GRzu Subscribe to the 947 weekly newsletter here https://buff.ly/hf9IuR9 Let’s keep the conversation going online: 947 on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/947Joburg 947 on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@947joburg 947 on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/947joburg 947 on X: https://x.com/947 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Wake up with a bang.
[0:02] Speaker 2: Hey, wake up! Anele and the club on 947.
[0:05] Speaker 3: The blessings of marriage.
[0:13] Speaker 4: The blessings of marriage.
[0:15] Speaker 1: I gave him everything, but I guess.
[0:19] Speaker 5: I wasn't enough.
[0:21] Speaker 6: 15 years of marriage.
[0:22] Speaker 2: Just like that.
[0:23] Speaker 7: I will always choose you.
[0:30] Speaker 2: I don't even know myself anymore.
[0:32] Speaker 5: I gave myself up completely.
[0:35] Speaker 2: I don't remember when was the last time my husband
[0:38] Speaker 2: saw me. End my worth.
[0:46] Speaker 6: I have had to keep myself calm ever since I
[0:49] Speaker 6: heard that they're going to come onto the show.
[0:51] Speaker 1: Yes.
[0:51] Speaker 6: And every now and then I'm like, oh, is the
[0:53] Speaker 6: interview tomorrow? The team's like, no, Anela, calm down.
[0:56] Speaker 8: Relax.
[0:56] Speaker 2: It's only happening next week. And next week is now.
[0:59] Speaker 9: Oh, my God.
[0:59] Speaker 6: The cast of Nyala O is in the building.
[1:05] Speaker 2: And with that, her composure has left the building.
[1:10] Speaker 6: Firstly, we just want to say thank you so much
[1:12] Speaker 6: to Brighton Co. They're the ones that gave us the
[1:14] Speaker 6: wedding dresses. We did a nice little welcome for you guys.
[1:17] Speaker 2: See you guys. How was the welcome? It was epic.
[1:20] Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. It was awesome. That was awesome. We
[1:24] Speaker 2: got married again.
[1:25] Speaker 10: You know, baby.
[1:26] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:27] Speaker 6: Y'all better keep quiet. We're coming to you guys. And
[1:30] Speaker 6: your scam of a marriage.
[1:32] Speaker 3: I have to say, so you walked in one day
[1:35] Speaker 3: and you said, there's this new show. There's this new show, right?
[1:38] Speaker 3: Then it went from, I binge watched it to, I'm
[1:41] Speaker 3: banking it because I can't watch everything in one go.
[1:45] Speaker 1: You can't watch Dave. Everything must be together.
[1:48] Speaker 3: We started raving about this until it got to the
[1:50] Speaker 3: point where you said, Anneli said she wants to be
[1:52] Speaker 3: part of the show.
[1:53] Speaker 7: Yes.
[1:54] Speaker 1: And she was trying to get into the show. I
[1:56] Speaker 1: don't know.
[1:56] Speaker 6: Then I was calling multi-choice. I was like, how far
[1:59] Speaker 6: ahead do you guys shoot?
[2:00] Speaker 2: Can I just walk in the background? Can I deliver scones?
[2:05] Speaker 2: I will do anything.
[2:06] Speaker 6: Can I sell a funeral policy because somebody's going to die?
[2:11] Speaker 6: Somebody's going to die. Mutazi, we've got... I know I
[2:14] Speaker 6: must call you your real name, but to me, you
[2:16] Speaker 6: are Kia, girl.
[2:18] Speaker 7: I can be Kia for now.
[2:19] Speaker 2: Please, can you be Kia?
[2:21] Speaker 6: And then we've got our resident money misspender.
[2:26] Speaker 1: Yes.
[2:27] Speaker 11: Hello.
[2:30] Speaker 2: Hello, Tulu. Guys, welcome.
[2:32] Speaker 6: Rami, Aman, I have to start with you because that
[2:35] Speaker 6: is your character name.
[2:36] Speaker 2: My guy, what's wrong with you?
[2:38] Speaker 4: I mean, he's a lover of life, lover of ladies,
[2:41] Speaker 4: two ladies, two women. And I mean, there's nothing wrong.
[2:44] Speaker 4: I think he wants to expand his family. He's just
[2:48] Speaker 4: scared to do it because he's scared of his wife,
[2:50] Speaker 4: I think.
[2:51] Speaker 2: However, he knows how she's going to react.
[2:54] Speaker 1: So he's like, let's rock and roll.
[2:56] Speaker 10: Wow.
[2:57] Speaker 2: So bonapambili.
[2:58] Speaker 6: Okay, but I want to go back to the time
[3:00] Speaker 6: where you were dating pretty, right? Because laterally you were
[3:04] Speaker 6: dating pretty. Firstly, she is a tall glass of water.
[3:07] Speaker 6: I don't know how you guys started dating. She is
[3:10] Speaker 6: so tall and Rami is short. Every time they're standing together,
[3:14] Speaker 6: he has to stand on a hill. Maybe she had
[3:16] Speaker 6: to scoop him up. I actually think that's the woman
[3:20] Speaker 6: you're scared of.
[3:21] Speaker 4: Look um he really loves pretty right um i love
[3:26] Speaker 4: you pretty yeah i love you pretty but but but
[3:30] Speaker 4: kia is just a special bomb she's like incredible she's
[3:34] Speaker 4: fun she's organized you know she's a hard worker um
[3:39] Speaker 4: and so he sees a bright future with her but
[3:41] Speaker 4: he also wants to keep the past with with pretty.
[3:45] Speaker 6: Can I tell you something about both of you guys
[3:47] Speaker 6: as a couple that's on TV? Because you always want
[3:49] Speaker 6: to ask yourself, when couples are that, like, magnetic on TV, like,
[3:53] Speaker 6: what conversations did you have to build the chemistry? Because
[3:56] Speaker 6: you have to portray a chemistry that we as the
[3:59] Speaker 6: viewer feel like it's.
[4:00] Speaker 2: A 15-year-old chemistry, right?
[4:02] Speaker 6: So I want to ask you, like, What conversations did
[4:06] Speaker 6: you two have to make sure that that chemistry is there?
[4:09] Speaker 6: Because even when you guys are fighting, there is chemistry.
[4:12] Speaker 6: That's why we root for you as viewers. Because the
[4:14] Speaker 6: way you look at him and you're just angry. And
[4:16] Speaker 6: you're like, don't talk to him.
[4:20] Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it started the day we had a
[4:22] Speaker 12: chemistry read together when we were auditioning. I remember I
[4:25] Speaker 12: did a chemistry read with different guys. But when I
[4:27] Speaker 12: did it with him, I think he got the note,
[4:29] Speaker 12: the note you're talking about. We've been together for 15 years.
[4:32] Speaker 12: He's not trying to charm me.
[4:34] Speaker 7: We know each other.
[4:35] Speaker 12: So the conversation we had when we went for the
[4:37] Speaker 12: chemistry read, we were like, we have to get this.
[4:39] Speaker 2: We have to.
[4:40] Speaker 7: And we're friends as well.
[4:43] Speaker 2: Oh, it was an inside job. Yeah. And look, we've
[4:46] Speaker 2: never worked before.
[4:48] Speaker 1: And we've been in the industry for quite some time.
[4:51] Speaker 1: So we're like, ah, let's rock.
[4:52] Speaker 4: This would be a great opportunity to just do something
[4:55] Speaker 4: I think we can vibe.
[4:56] Speaker 1: And we just locked.
[4:57] Speaker 10: It worked.
[4:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, it did.
[4:59] Speaker 6: When do you find out who's on the cast? Because,
[5:01] Speaker 6: I mean, if I was doing a chemistry read or
[5:04] Speaker 6: a table setting and then I was told that Tulu
[5:06] Speaker 6: was going to be on.
[5:07] Speaker 2: The cast, I would melt into a puddle. Girl, you
[5:11] Speaker 2: are a legend. Tulu.
[5:13] Speaker 5: Thank you.
[5:17] Speaker 1: Guys, she blushes.
[5:17] Speaker 5: I feel like I'm just a baby for Pastor Gil.
[5:20] Speaker 10: Do you know, my earliest memory of Tulu was, maybe
[5:23] Speaker 10: this was 20 years ago, there were televised auditions, I
[5:26] Speaker 10: think it was for The Lion King.
[5:27] Speaker 13: Yes.
[5:28] Speaker 2: That's where I remember you from.
[5:30] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[5:30] Speaker 10: And I think it's the range, first of all, in
[5:32] Speaker 10: terms of the characters that you've played. And you wonder how, woman,
[5:36] Speaker 10: where do you dig all of.
[5:37] Speaker 1: This out of?
[5:39] Speaker 2: I also don't know.
[5:42] Speaker 6: But surely you have a process where you leave the
[5:44] Speaker 6: last roll behind to step into the new one.
[5:47] Speaker 2: No, absolutely.
[5:48] Speaker 5: I think that's where training also comes in handy, where
[5:52] Speaker 5: you take out those tools from your suitcase that you've
[5:54] Speaker 5: been packing from school, from varsity, and then throughout your career.
[5:59] Speaker 2: Because we learn every day.
[6:01] Speaker 5: From the last show that I was on, I also
[6:04] Speaker 5: packed some new tools that I'm now using for Mapula
[6:08] Speaker 5: at Nyala'u. So it's a never-ending process of learning how
[6:12] Speaker 5: to do things.
[6:13] Speaker 2: And now and then, well, especially for this show, for
[6:16] Speaker 2: me … I've.
[6:17] Speaker 5: Had to go back and actually do some reading on acting.
[6:21] Speaker 10: Oh, wow.
[6:22] Speaker 5: Because the show is dependent so much on subconscious messages.
[6:29] Speaker 5: So much less on the script. The script is there
[6:33] Speaker 5: and it's hot, thank God.
[6:35] Speaker 2: It's hot.
[6:36] Speaker 5: But the underlying messages and the underlying tones and how
[6:42] Speaker 5: the creative producer also explained how the show actually is
[6:45] Speaker 5: we are dealing with the moulds in our walls, in
[6:49] Speaker 5: our houses.
[6:50] Speaker 6: That slowly. That was going to be my next point.
[6:53] Speaker 6: I'm so glad because the show, it moves quickly. Like
[6:58] Speaker 6: the things that are happening.
[6:59] Speaker 2: Nothing lingers too long.
[7:00] Speaker 6: But itself, the pace is quite slow. It's like a
[7:05] Speaker 6: slow erosion, right?
[7:08] Speaker 2: Am I reading it right?
[7:09] Speaker 9: Yes, you are.
[7:14] Speaker 2: As with mold, it starts small.
[7:17] Speaker 5: And by the end of three months, it has now
[7:19] Speaker 5: made a pattern that you hadn't been noticing it, but
[7:23] Speaker 5: it's there now.
[7:24] Speaker 2: And that's where Ernest is. What? Who's this person now?
[7:31] Speaker 2: I'm going to bring you guys up to speed. Ernest
[7:32] Speaker 2: is her husband. She calls him Daddy. Daddy. She's got
[7:37] Speaker 2: Daddy in debt.
[7:39] Speaker 10: She doesn't want to sell her two designer coats or
[7:41] Speaker 10: her shoes.
[7:42] Speaker 1: Yesterday, she had a cry.
[7:42] Speaker 2: Yes, because she had to sell those braces. Girl, you broke.
[7:47] Speaker 2: She's running a rap scam, right?
[7:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[7:49] Speaker 6: And she's getting money somewhere dodgy. It's like some tender
[7:52] Speaker 6: details that are going dodgy. And her husband is just
[7:54] Speaker 6: trying to stop her from overspending. But what I love
[7:57] Speaker 6: about Mapula and Zaid is that we always think that
[8:02] Speaker 6: when people say we're going through marital problems, immediately we
[8:04] Speaker 6: think it's infidelity.
[8:06] Speaker 13: Right.
[8:06] Speaker 5: True.
[8:07] Speaker 6: But I've seen more marriages break down because of finances
[8:10] Speaker 6: more than infidelity.
[8:11] Speaker 2: So actually, you guys are the most dangerous ones.
[8:13] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
[8:14] Speaker 2: Really?
[8:15] Speaker 6: I think you guys are the most dangerous. Because there's
[8:17] Speaker 6: no romance, guys, when we can't afford each other.
[8:21] Speaker 2: There's no romance. I love you.
[8:23] Speaker 6: I can't love you.
[8:26] Speaker 2: I can't see you. We're in the dark.
[8:29] Speaker 5: She also doesn't feel so hot anymore because now she
[8:31] Speaker 5: has to ask for money. That independence has been stripped away.
[8:36] Speaker 5: So she feels less of a human being now because
[8:39] Speaker 5: she doesn't have her own. She has to ask for
[8:42] Speaker 5: each and every cent.
[8:43] Speaker 6: Because also, when you guys introduced us to you, you
[8:49] Speaker 6: acted like you had submitted to him.
[8:51] Speaker 2: But that was a fake submission. Because if you feel lesser.
[8:54] Speaker 6: Than having to ask for your husband for money, it
[8:56] Speaker 6: means you haven't fully submitted.
[8:57] Speaker 9: That's... Yes, I think money is Mapula's crutch.
[9:09] Speaker 2: Okay.
[9:09] Speaker 5: And it's not a crutch because of what's happening in
[9:12] Speaker 5: her marriage, but it's things that she comes up with
[9:16] Speaker 5: from her own life before she even met him.
[9:19] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[9:19] Speaker 5: So it's our life as siblings.
[9:23] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[9:23] Speaker 2: And that she's caring with. Yeah. The dark side of it.
[9:28] Speaker 10: But how has she surprised you? Because on paper, she's
[9:31] Speaker 10: not supposed to be likable, except she is.
[9:33] Speaker 2: Except she is, right? How does she surprise?
[9:39] Speaker 5: I think as Tula, I can't imagine as well doing that.
[9:43] Speaker 5: stealing from innocent people who actually need the money more
[9:46] Speaker 5: than she does.
[9:47] Speaker 2: She's got a good job. She's a lawyer. She's got
[9:49] Speaker 2: a good house.
[9:49] Speaker 5: She's got a good husband who takes care of her,
[9:52] Speaker 5: the entire family. He is a provider in all the
[9:55] Speaker 5: imaginable ways a provider is supposed to be.
[9:57] Speaker 2: She supports.
[10:00] Speaker 5: To not want for anything but she's become greedy you
[10:04] Speaker 5: know her problem has now escalated into other things And
[10:09] Speaker 5: every time I read a new story about her, I'm flabbergasted.
[10:15] Speaker 6: Babe, why does your husband wear orange suits the whole time?
[10:18] Speaker 7: You hate orange.
[10:19] Speaker 2: Babe, your office is orange.
[10:21] Speaker 7: I saw your tweets.
[10:24] Speaker 2: You know, some things we have no control over.
[10:27] Speaker 7: She hates orange. You hate my cushions?
[10:29] Speaker 1: Yes.
[10:30] Speaker 2: I hate your main bedroom.
[10:32] Speaker 6: Why?
[10:33] Speaker 7: Because it's purple?
[10:34] Speaker 9: Yes.
[10:34] Speaker 2: I'm just like, this is why you guys are fighting.
[10:37] Speaker 6: The colors are stimulating you guys.
[10:42] Speaker 3: I have to ask her. I mean, to complete the phrase,
[10:45] Speaker 3: I'm not a bad husband. I'm just a lover.
[10:48] Speaker 1: Just a lover.
[10:49] Speaker 10: Of life.
[10:50] Speaker 1: Of life or of woman? Of two women.
[10:53] Speaker 6: So do you think it's better that you're not cheating
[10:56] Speaker 6: on your wife with lots of women, but you just
[10:58] Speaker 6: stuck to one woman for 15 years?
[11:01] Speaker 4: I think it's better that way. Because, I mean, to him,
[11:06] Speaker 4: he's not cheating. He's taking care of the kids. He's
[11:09] Speaker 4: providing for two families.
[11:11] Speaker 1: Easy, baby.
[11:12] Speaker 5: All right, baby.
[11:14] Speaker 7: They went straight into character there.
[11:16] Speaker 1: But I mean, we've got two kids already.
[11:17] Speaker 6: It's too early.
[11:17] Speaker 7: To translate, don't drive me insane.
[11:18] Speaker 1: Don't drive me mad.
[11:19] Speaker 2: Also, he's a liar because this man kept two kids hidden.
[11:21] Speaker 2: He understated.
[11:22] Speaker 1: He understood that Kia was going to lose her mind.
[11:40] Speaker 7: And you know what just makes me angry?
[11:42] Speaker 1: Okay.
[11:42] Speaker 7: He denied his own hand. I showed him his hand.
[11:46] Speaker 2: On the phone? On the phone.
[11:47] Speaker 7: I'm like, this is the watch I bought you.
[11:49] Speaker 3: No, baby.
[11:50] Speaker 6: You see?
[11:51] Speaker 2: You see, baby?
[11:52] Speaker 4: There's AI.
[11:53] Speaker 6: Why me?
[11:53] Speaker 8: AI.
[11:53] Speaker 1: There's AI. You can just turn anything into someone.
[11:58] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[11:59] Speaker 12: But what I've noticed is that a lot of women
[12:01] Speaker 12: were very rooting for Gaya, right?
[12:04] Speaker 2: Yes, we were.
[12:04] Speaker 12: And then later on, because she decided to stay, women
[12:07] Speaker 12: are mad. And I realized that They see themselves in gaya.
[12:11] Speaker 12: Nobody wants to see themselves. And I understand why they
[12:15] Speaker 12: hate the fact that she's still gay.
[12:17] Speaker 7: We know a lot of gayas. It's not easy to
[12:19] Speaker 7: just leave.
[12:20] Speaker 12: Especially when you have plans. You know, like she had
[12:22] Speaker 12: a plan with the book. The book is written his rib-ish.
[12:27] Speaker 6: But also, I think the thing with a lot of women...
[12:29] Speaker 6: And this may be shallow, but shallow is true, guys.
[12:32] Speaker 6: We can't run from the truth. Is that sometimes you're like...
[12:35] Speaker 6: If I leave this man and I've built so much
[12:37] Speaker 6: with him... Somebody's just going to come in here, slip
[12:39] Speaker 6: in and.
[12:39] Speaker 2: Get a ready-made life.
[12:40] Speaker 7: And take over my cushions.
[12:41] Speaker 6: Do you know what.
[12:45] Speaker 2: I'm saying?
[12:46] Speaker 6: But I think the question we have to ask, and
[12:49] Speaker 6: I mean, please feel free to send us a voice
[12:51] Speaker 6: on 084-0000947 because that is what the show does. It
[12:56] Speaker 6: makes us ask questions about relationships, about.
[12:58] Speaker 2: Life as a whole.
[13:00] Speaker 6: Is it better to have a man who has one
[13:02] Speaker 6: other woman where they have, like, all this connection and
[13:05] Speaker 6: this emotion and these memories and kids and the family
[13:08] Speaker 6: knows the other woman or that he's just, like, randomly
[13:12] Speaker 6: hooking up with randoms at.
[13:13] Speaker 2: Saint on a Sunday?
[13:14] Speaker 1: Well, it's better to have two men, I say.
[13:17] Speaker 2: Oof.
[13:17] Speaker 13: Yes.
[13:18] Speaker 6: Oof. Yes.
[13:18] Speaker 2: Let's get into that.
[13:20] Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes.
[13:20] Speaker 2: Because Rami would lose his mind. Easy, easy, easy. Any
[13:24] Speaker 2: of these women got another man. Oh, my word.
[13:27] Speaker 6: And then Tim Bigelow always teases me because I don't know.
[13:28] Speaker 2: How to say Nyala Owe. It's Nyala O. Nyala O.
[13:32] Speaker 2: Is it Nyala O or Nyala O? Nyala O.
[13:35] Speaker 6: Nyala O.
[13:35] Speaker 5: Because people tease me, they're like, oh, I'm a little ashamed.
[13:38] Speaker 5: It's because in your dialect, you don't say the O
[13:40] Speaker 5: like that. It's just like in English, you don't say
[13:43] Speaker 5: like O, O, like Tolo.
[13:45] Speaker 2: It's Tolo.
[13:49] Speaker 6: Because I get it, there's.
[13:54] Speaker 2: A fuller phrase which we can't say on the radio.
[13:57] Speaker 10: But it means, once you get married, it's equivalent to
[13:59] Speaker 10: being in the loo, mama.
[14:04] Speaker 1: The blessings of marriage.
[14:08] Speaker 4: The blessings of marriage.
[14:11] Speaker 7: I can't.
[14:19] Speaker 12: Years of marriage just like that i will always choose
[14:22] Speaker 12: you liar.
[14:23] Speaker 1: I don't even.
[14:24] Speaker 5: Know myself anymore i gave myself up completely i don't.
[14:30] Speaker 6: Remember when was the last time my husband saw.
[14:33] Speaker 2: Me and my worthless.
[14:37] Speaker 6: It is the latest sensation out of the DSTV community.
[14:41] Speaker 2: Nyala U. It plays on Monday.
[14:44] Speaker 6: To Wednesday at 7 o'clock on Mzantzi Magic. It is
[14:47] Speaker 6: shot so well. The color is so good. The grading
[14:49] Speaker 6: is so good. Whoever the DOP is with the angles
[14:52] Speaker 6: that they do for you guys. Just the shots themselves
[15:02] Speaker 6: are telling the scenes. And today we've got the cast
[15:04] Speaker 6: in studio.
[15:05] Speaker 3: I've got a question. I've got a question. All of
[15:08] Speaker 3: your characters, each of you can answer this individually. All
[15:10] Speaker 3: of your characters, firstly, have lots of struggles with the
[15:13] Speaker 3: people around them, right? And then also internal struggles. So
[15:17] Speaker 3: if you were your character's best friend, what advice would
[15:22] Speaker 3: you give them and would they listen?
[15:26] Speaker 1: Rami?
[15:27] Speaker 2: Rami, I would tell Rami to touch his temper. Be
[15:30] Speaker 2: honest about it.
[15:31] Speaker 4: Be honest about it and don't cheat. Just tell her
[15:35] Speaker 4: the truth and marry both of them and take care
[15:38] Speaker 4: of your families.
[15:40] Speaker 6: But you have financial problems that I feel are coming
[15:42] Speaker 6: to the front soon and soon and very soon.
[15:45] Speaker 4: Not really.
[15:49] Speaker 6: Because she asked for a baby and you said, no,
[15:54] Speaker 6: there's no money.
[15:55] Speaker 1: But it's just excuses.
[15:57] Speaker 10: Oh.
[15:58] Speaker 4: You know, I mean, it's, yeah, I think he doesn't
[16:01] Speaker 4: want another baby. But he wants a family. He wants
[16:04] Speaker 4: to have two families and take care of. So that
[16:08] Speaker 4: when Kia is giving him grief, he's.
[16:12] Speaker 2: Able to rest. Go to the hood.
[16:13] Speaker 4: You understand, the hood is nice when there's problems in
[16:17] Speaker 4: the pubs.
[16:17] Speaker 2: Rami is like a farm club.
[16:19] Speaker 7: Yeah. I agree.
[16:22] Speaker 6: I think it was the first bit of anger I
[16:24] Speaker 6: felt towards you as a viewer watching you that like,
[16:27] Speaker 6: how do you deny your wife another child but you've
[16:30] Speaker 6: got two children with your mistress?
[16:32] Speaker 4: Look, I think Rami is very controlling. Subliminally so. He's
[16:38] Speaker 4: got this, he's a, yeah, I think, yeah, he's controlling.
[16:45] Speaker 1: What's the word? What's that word? We always use it
[16:48] Speaker 1: on set.
[16:49] Speaker 2: Manipulative. He's very manipulative.
[16:52] Speaker 9: Okay.
[16:53] Speaker 1: And he love bombs, you know.
[16:56] Speaker 10: Yes.
[16:56] Speaker 4: And so I think he's got issues, probably got issues
[16:59] Speaker 4: from his mom and dad.
[17:01] Speaker 1: I love bombs.
[17:02] Speaker 4: And we see it through the way he treats Kia
[17:05] Speaker 4: and Pretty.
[17:07] Speaker 1: So he wouldn't listen. That's the advice you'd give him,
[17:09] Speaker 1: but he wouldn't listen.
[17:10] Speaker 2: He wouldn't listen because he's afraid of Gia.
[17:12] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[17:13] Speaker 2: Afraid of her or afraid of losing her?
[17:15] Speaker 1: Afraid of losing her.
[17:16] Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
[17:17] Speaker 9: And you?
[17:18] Speaker 12: I think I would tell Gia to leave. My sister
[17:24] Speaker 12: is not working out. Or fully forgive him. Because I
[17:27] Speaker 12: feel like she's torturing herself by policing him and checking
[17:31] Speaker 12: his phone and all of that.
[17:32] Speaker 7: It's either you leave or stay and forgive him fully.
[17:35] Speaker 6: But you can't fully forgive him when you don't know
[17:36] Speaker 6: the full story. Because he also releases the nonsense every episode.
[17:40] Speaker 2: Learning something new.
[17:41] Speaker 7: Something new, yeah.
[17:41] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[17:42] Speaker 6: Why is he not being honest when he does go
[17:44] Speaker 6: to Timbisa to see the other family?
[17:45] Speaker 7: To see the other family, yeah.
[17:46] Speaker 6: He acts like he's going to his mom, but he's
[17:47] Speaker 6: going to his mistress. He also must be honest.
[17:49] Speaker 7: She must go. And I don't think she would listen.
[17:51] Speaker 1: She wouldn't listen, eh?
[17:52] Speaker 7: She wouldn't listen.
[17:53] Speaker 2: She's just like... Will she fully forgive him?
[17:56] Speaker 7: I don't think so.
[17:56] Speaker 2: No, she won't.
[17:57] Speaker 6: Because 15... Guys, you know what it's like to find out, eh?
[18:00] Speaker 2: Yeah. You keep on playing it in your head.
[18:02] Speaker 6: It's like, oh, so and when you said you were
[18:03] Speaker 6: going to four ways, actually.
[18:04] Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? And it's just like
[18:06] Speaker 2: it's so poison.
[18:07] Speaker 7: Yes, it is.
[18:08] Speaker 12: And I think also she's... I've realized that she's also
[18:10] Speaker 12: making me tired, as my dad said.
[18:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[18:13] Speaker 7: I don't know if I'm making sense.
[18:14] Speaker 8: I'm tired.
[18:14] Speaker 1: Because she's forever.
[18:16] Speaker 7: In your feels. I'm struggling to get out of it.
[18:19] Speaker 7: I'm so emotional.
[18:20] Speaker 12: Sometimes I don't get out of it immediately because she's
[18:23] Speaker 12: really going through the most. Even like a simple scene
[18:25] Speaker 12: of just her sitting by herself. I can't help it,
[18:28] Speaker 12: but feel sorry for her. And then the tears just come.
[18:30] Speaker 12: So I'm exhausted because I feel like, yeah, she's really.
[18:34] Speaker 7: Going through the most. I don't want to lie. I
[18:35] Speaker 7: need a hug.
[18:37] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[18:37] Speaker 1: Well, you can understand if you find out. 15 years.
[18:40] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[18:40] Speaker 7: 15 years.
[18:41] Speaker 1: 15 years, yeah. That's a lifetime.
[18:44] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[18:44] Speaker 6: And can you imagine you're acting some woman right now
[18:48] Speaker 6: at this moment. Yes.
[18:49] Speaker 2: They're going through it.
[18:50] Speaker 10: You guys are such poor investigators. You can't lie to
[18:53] Speaker 10: me for a month.
[18:54] Speaker 2: 15 years.
[18:54] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[18:56] Speaker 2: I would have to be in a coma.
[18:57] Speaker 1: I am catching that man.
[19:00] Speaker 10: Because one thing I'm going to do is I'm going
[19:02] Speaker 10: to look at the pattern and be like, because my
[19:03] Speaker 10: thing with Kia was like, girl, are you slow?
[19:06] Speaker 2: Look at the material.
[19:07] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[19:08] Speaker 1: It just wasn't adding up. Do you know what I mean?
[19:10] Speaker 12: Yeah. And I think she really trusted him. That's why
[19:13] Speaker 12: she thought this is not real. That's why it took
[19:15] Speaker 12: her a few days for her to even confront him
[19:18] Speaker 12: about it because she couldn't believe.
[19:20] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[19:22] Speaker 5: I would tell Mapula to go to therapy.
[19:27] Speaker 10: Oh.
[19:27] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[19:28] Speaker 2: That's what she needs.
[19:29] Speaker 1: Deal with your shopping addiction.
[19:31] Speaker 7: Yes.
[19:32] Speaker 6: Because clearly your shopping is trying to guide something else. Yes.
[19:36] Speaker 2: Avoid.
[19:37] Speaker 11: Avoid. Yeah.
[19:38] Speaker 6: Are we ever going to find out what happened in
[19:40] Speaker 6: her past?
[19:40] Speaker 2: Yes. Okay. Oh, that's coming.
[19:42] Speaker 3: Yes.
[19:43] Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think I'm ready.
[19:45] Speaker 10: Did we get a clue from her conversation with her
[19:47] Speaker 10: dad last night? because it took an interesting direction don't tell.
[19:50] Speaker 6: Me I didn't watch last night I won't tell you
[19:52] Speaker 6: but I got a sense last night that We're finally
[19:56] Speaker 6: going to see why she is the way she is. Yes.
[19:59] Speaker 5: And even her husband, Ernest, yes, he went straight to
[20:03] Speaker 5: the internet to try and see what is this with
[20:07] Speaker 5: the spending.
[20:08] Speaker 3: Okay.
[20:08] Speaker 6: Yes.
[20:09] Speaker 2: And he also suggested therapy. But you don't have daddy issues.
[20:15] Speaker 1: We're going to find out. I think we'll find out.
[20:16] Speaker 5: Yes and no.
[20:17] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes and no. You know wives that call their
[20:20] Speaker 2: husbands daddy. Hey.
[20:21] Speaker 11: Yeah.
[20:21] Speaker 7: No.
[20:23] Speaker 2: It's weird for me.
[20:24] Speaker 5: I don't know if I should say it's a daddy
[20:25] Speaker 5: issue because the issue was not because of daddy necessarily.
[20:30] Speaker 2: I mean the father. Okay.
[20:31] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[20:33] Speaker 7: I think she has mommy issues.
[20:36] Speaker 12: Yeah which is which the story will unfold about our mother.
[20:39] Speaker 2: Oh yeah because where.
[20:40] Speaker 13: Is she where is she yeah and the moms on
[20:43] Speaker 13: this show are good eh so I want to see
[20:44] Speaker 13: a mother right I mean Stingy Lena Tangala and Elizabeth
[20:48] Speaker 13: Zirunye I'm like yes she's amazing Amazing.
[20:52] Speaker 2: And you know what it is?
[20:53] Speaker 6: They seldom in the same scene but you can feel that.
[20:56] Speaker 2: You can feel the way they control everything.
[20:58] Speaker 6: There's a push and pull but I think it's going
[21:00] Speaker 6: to get to a point where they go head on
[21:02] Speaker 6: and then hip hopers will dance.
[21:03] Speaker 12: But also lastly, I think what I've learned is that
[21:06] Speaker 12: mother-in-law is not your mom at the end of the day.
[21:09] Speaker 2: Oh, never.
[21:10] Speaker 7: She might love you and like you but she's not
[21:12] Speaker 7: your mother.
[21:12] Speaker 2: She loves her son.
[21:13] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[21:14] Speaker 2: And she's going to do everything to protect her son.
[21:16] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[21:16] Speaker 4: And as a mother, you always really take care of
[21:18] Speaker 4: your children no matter how Older they are and wherever
[21:22] Speaker 4: they go.
[21:22] Speaker 1: Especially sons.
[21:24] Speaker 2: It is what it is.
[21:25] Speaker 1: Especially sons.
[21:25] Speaker 3: Especially sons. The mum will always take the son's side,
[21:29] Speaker 3: even if he's wrong.
[21:30] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[21:31] Speaker 2: I see it in myself sometimes. Exactly.
[21:35] Speaker 6: I agree. Like, I try to be strict with Allah,
[21:37] Speaker 6: but he's just so charming.
[21:39] Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly.
[21:41] Speaker 6: Mummy. Yeah, that's me.
[21:44] Speaker 2: Yes, the voice note. Hi, Tulu. I missed you on
[21:49] Speaker 2: my screens, babe.
[21:51] Speaker 7: I will, but now Mrs. Ramrams needs to decide whether
[21:55] Speaker 7: she's coming or going. You are mad if he's going,
[21:58] Speaker 7: you are mad if he's staying. Which one do you want?
[22:02] Speaker 11: Yeah.
[22:02] Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.
[22:04] Speaker 7: Both.
[22:05] Speaker 2: Do you know what?
[22:06] Speaker 6: Because when I was watching you, when you went to
[22:07] Speaker 6: go get him at his mom's house, when he was
[22:09] Speaker 6: sitting on those couches from Bradlow's.
[22:11] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
[22:14] Speaker 13: I was like, I know those countries.
[22:20] Speaker 6: I was like, the fear, you're angry at him now
[22:23] Speaker 6: because you found out he's been cheating for 15 years.
[22:25] Speaker 6: But the fear with him not sleeping at home is like,
[22:27] Speaker 6: where is this sleeping? Because you know the mom's going
[22:30] Speaker 6: to cover for him. So you were actually just going
[22:31] Speaker 6: to the mom's house to see that he's there.
[22:33] Speaker 2: And then when you were there, you actually realized, you
[22:35] Speaker 2: know what?
[22:35] Speaker 6: Come back home because I need to police you from home.
[22:38] Speaker 6: Because I lived with you for 15 years and I
[22:40] Speaker 6: didn't know you were getting up to nonsense.
[22:42] Speaker 2: Who matters? Us women, guys.
[22:43] Speaker 7: Yeah, we go through a lot.
[22:44] Speaker 2: We honestly go through a lot.
[22:46] Speaker 6: There is a clip that has been going around on
[22:47] Speaker 6: social media and it's gotten people, you know, divided in the,
[22:52] Speaker 6: you know, the validity of this claim that this man
[22:54] Speaker 6: is making. And to me, it was like, oh, like, okay,
[22:56] Speaker 6: it's interesting. And then I believed him because he was
[22:58] Speaker 6: so convincing. And then people were like, no, he's lying.
[23:01] Speaker 2: So I want us to discuss it as the cast.
[23:03] Speaker 2: I'm counting myself. As the cast of Nyala O. Here,
[23:08] Speaker 2: have a listen.
[23:09] Speaker 1: Umako Oti.
[23:10] Speaker 5: Right.
[23:11] Speaker 8: The word Umako Oti is not Xhosa. It's not Zulu,
[23:15] Speaker 8: it's not Soto, it's not Tshwana, it's not Shangan, it's
[23:19] Speaker 8: not Venda. It's Africans.
[23:22] Speaker 2: Mark on steer.
[23:24] Speaker 8: Now the whole conception of Ukukoti Zanomakoti comes from the
[23:30] Speaker 8: etymology mark on steer. You are now arguing an African's
[23:37] Speaker 8: innovation strategy. in an African culture that did not exist anymore.
[23:42] Speaker 8: Ask me what Umakoti is, Ngesikos.
[23:46] Speaker 1: Mfaz.
[23:47] Speaker 2: What is it?
[23:48] Speaker 1: Gumolo Kazana.
[23:51] Speaker 2: She is the ambassador, chief ambassador.
[23:55] Speaker 8: Chief spokesperson, CEO of this household. Before you can enter
[24:08] Speaker 8: this home, respect this woman.
[24:11] Speaker 1: That is culture.
[24:13] Speaker 2: We are going to weigh in on that.
[24:14] Speaker 6: We're going to take a quick break. I'm going to
[24:15] Speaker 6: let the cause of Nyala kind of like, you know,
[24:17] Speaker 6: simmer and percolate in that. When we come back, is
[24:20] Speaker 6: he telling the truth?
[24:21] Speaker 2: Because he's convincing. He's spot on. He is.
[24:24] Speaker 9: Oh, okay.
[24:25] Speaker 2: I think he is. Okay, we won't discuss it. You know,
[24:34] Speaker 2: when that song plays, we are just.
[24:35] Speaker 7: So happy here.
[24:38] Speaker 6: It reminds us of the best times of our lives
[24:41] Speaker 6: because that's what weddings are, right? Weddings represent families coming together.
[24:47] Speaker 6: Weddings represent expansion. And families back then, with what I
[24:51] Speaker 6: believe marriage is, was to strengthen. Strengthen ties, strengthen economic power.
[24:56] Speaker 6: You know, strengthen longevity, strengthen legacy. Where do we lose it, Tulu? Because,
[25:03] Speaker 6: you know, like they say, people who are unhappy in
[25:06] Speaker 6: marriages are louder than those who are happy in marriages.
[25:08] Speaker 2: Where do we lose it? Marrying for the wrong reasons.
[25:13] Speaker 2: Marrying wrong people. And when you.
[25:16] Speaker 5: Do marry the wrong person, it wasn't.
[25:18] Speaker 2: Apparent the day you realized.
[25:21] Speaker 13: You knew.
[25:22] Speaker 5: But we always want to see less of the red
[25:26] Speaker 5: flag as red.
[25:27] Speaker 2: We want to see it as pink or as purple.
[25:30] Speaker 2: It's going to change. Yeah, it's going to change. Yes.
[25:36] Speaker 12: I think for me, because I'm a return soldier, I
[25:38] Speaker 12: was married before. I think For me, I'll talk about
[25:43] Speaker 12: my own experience. Thinking that you are marrying a person
[25:47] Speaker 12: and forgetting that you're marrying into a family. That was my...
[25:51] Speaker 12: I didn't understand it because also I was very young.
[25:53] Speaker 8: I was 22.
[25:53] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[25:54] Speaker 2: So I didn't.
[25:55] Speaker 12: Know that you're actually marrying into a family. You're not
[25:58] Speaker 12: just marrying your husband.
[26:00] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[26:00] Speaker 12: So understanding that, that you are marrying the entire family.
[26:03] Speaker 12: Like you said, marriages these days, we think that they
[26:06] Speaker 12: are broken because of cheating and stuff. There's so many things.
[26:09] Speaker 12: And especially... Money and family.
[26:11] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[26:12] Speaker 7: So I think we're losing that.
[26:14] Speaker 12: And that's one lesson I learned from my own divorce
[26:17] Speaker 12: that I was not.
[26:18] Speaker 7: Marrying just my husband. I was marrying into a family.
[26:21] Speaker 12: And I should have taken my time to check if
[26:23] Speaker 12: I really want to get married into that family or not.
[26:26] Speaker 10: Yeah.
[26:27] Speaker 6: And the only person to protect you from that family
[26:30] Speaker 6: is the one.
[26:30] Speaker 2: That you're marrying.
[26:31] Speaker 6: But if he is one of them, the chances of
[26:33] Speaker 6: him taking your side are very slim.
[26:35] Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I think.
[26:39] Speaker 4: I mean, the concept of getting married is actually about,
[26:43] Speaker 4: you have to accept the fact that you are learning
[26:46] Speaker 4: this person every day. I mean, you never know yourself
[26:50] Speaker 4: in general. I mean, you always develop, you always grow.
[26:53] Speaker 4: So getting married, you also have to accept the fact
[26:57] Speaker 4: that I have to learn this person all the time,
[27:00] Speaker 4: forgive him all the time, try to love them all
[27:03] Speaker 4: because it's not always rosy, right?
[27:06] Speaker 1: But you still need to choose them every day.
[27:10] Speaker 4: With their wrongs, with their rights. And, and, and, and
[27:13] Speaker 4: that's what I think we've lost. We've lost about the
[27:17] Speaker 4: institution of marriage. So we, we get married for, for
[27:20] Speaker 4: the house, the cars, the money, the status, the titles,
[27:25] Speaker 4: the titles. And then we forget about the, the, the,
[27:27] Speaker 4: the cause like the, the, You know, the gravity of marriage.
[27:32] Speaker 2: Every day. I think if there are conversations had with.
[27:35] Speaker 5: Our own families before we get into relationships even, to
[27:40] Speaker 5: make us aware of what we need to look forward
[27:43] Speaker 5: to or be aware of once you decide that you
[27:47] Speaker 5: want to get married. Those conversations that are not had
[27:50] Speaker 5: and we find them in marriage and they box us.
[27:57] Speaker 3: That's very deep but I want to say because the
[28:00] Speaker 3: conversation now has also been the other person the person
[28:03] Speaker 3: you're marrying I think not enough time is spent to
[28:07] Speaker 3: the point You've got to choose that person every day.
[28:10] Speaker 3: But I think not enough people spend the time to
[28:12] Speaker 3: make sure they know themselves first.
[28:16] Speaker 1: Because we always say you've got to choose someone every day.
[28:19] Speaker 1: You've got to love them every day.
[28:20] Speaker 3: But I think you've got to look at yourself every
[28:23] Speaker 3: day first and look how you love yourself and what
[28:25] Speaker 3: you are.
[28:26] Speaker 5: Franky, you keep this up.
[28:34] Speaker 10: Alexandra might lecture as their ward counsellor.
[28:38] Speaker 2: Keeps us out is going to do the vote of
[28:41] Speaker 2: things that we're doing. Okay, let's wrap it up with
[28:42] Speaker 2: that clip that I played for you guys.
[28:44] Speaker 6: Rami, what do you think?
[28:45] Speaker 2: Look, it is what it is. If you want the truth,
[28:47] Speaker 2: I think women.
[28:48] Speaker 11: Are The best, like they are magical.
[29:03] Speaker 4: They are the CEO of everything, right? And it's not
[29:07] Speaker 4: really about being a slave or.
[29:09] Speaker 6: No, no, no.
[29:10] Speaker 2: It's somebody who was able to nurture.
[29:12] Speaker 1: And take care.
[29:14] Speaker 4: And that is what makonstier means.
[29:16] Speaker 1: It's like, take care of us.
[29:18] Speaker 2: Netch us.
[29:19] Speaker 6: Right?
[29:19] Speaker 1: And so don't take it in another way. But it's
[29:21] Speaker 1: very correct.
[29:22] Speaker 6: Right?
[29:23] Speaker 1: Because.
[29:23] Speaker 2: She's ours.
[29:24] Speaker 4: And we sing.
[29:29] Speaker 1: These songs and we don't understand them. And when we
[29:31] Speaker 1: talk about them, then we get into our feels.
[29:34] Speaker 2: But it's back to.
[29:35] Speaker 6: What Tulu was saying about the conversations that we don't have,
[29:38] Speaker 6: you know, with our parents around makonstier.
[29:40] Speaker 2: And what it actually is.
[29:41] Speaker 6: Because most of us grew up in households where... the
[29:45] Speaker 6: joy was loud, but then the tension was very quiet,
[29:48] Speaker 6: but you could feel there was tension. And I think
[29:50] Speaker 6: that's where we even come from where we give our
[29:52] Speaker 6: partner silent treatment when you're unhappy because you never saw
[29:55] Speaker 6: your parents actually talk things out. You just saw that
[29:58] Speaker 6: they weren't speaking for three weeks and then the next
[30:00] Speaker 6: thing you were fine.
[30:00] Speaker 2: True story.
[30:01] Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying? And then you think, okay,
[30:05] Speaker 6: so that's how relationships work. We're angry at each other.
[30:07] Speaker 2: We're quiet. No one talks to each other. And then
[30:09] Speaker 2: visitors come and then we have to get along.
[30:11] Speaker 6: And then from then on, because the visitors were here,
[30:13] Speaker 6: we go back to being fine until the next wrong
[30:15] Speaker 6: thing that happens.
[30:17] Speaker 2: I'm just the girl.
[30:18] Speaker 12: If I get married again, I will do it differently.
[30:21] Speaker 12: But also, I don't have a reference because my dad
[30:23] Speaker 12: left when I was seven.
[30:24] Speaker 7: So I don't even know... what a mother and father
[30:27] Speaker 7: should do.
[30:28] Speaker 2: I don't have a reference. Yes.
[30:30] Speaker 7: And when you love somebody, if you want to make
[30:36] Speaker 7: the tea, you make the tea.
[30:38] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[30:39] Speaker 7: It comes naturally when you really love.
[30:41] Speaker 12: The person and you love their family.
[30:42] Speaker 6: Yeah, and also, you must also extend to who you are. Like,
[30:48] Speaker 6: for instance, me, I love cooking and I love that thing.
[30:52] Speaker 6: So when they were like, oh, you're cooking for 100 people,
[30:54] Speaker 6: I said, game on.
[30:54] Speaker 13: Yes.
[30:56] Speaker 2: I'm going to show y'all.
[30:57] Speaker 6: And, you know, but also families must also realize that
[31:01] Speaker 6: not every Makoti is skilled like that. Find something else
[31:04] Speaker 6: that she's good at. Will she be good at keeping
[31:06] Speaker 6: the family together on checking? Because I'm not good at
[31:09] Speaker 6: that part, in checking in on all the family members, right?
[31:12] Speaker 2: But when I'm there, oh, you've got me.
[31:15] Speaker 6: So they can't live on and expect the entire thing.
[31:18] Speaker 6: The family must also realize, oh, Makoti, where did you go?
[31:21] Speaker 6: But yeah, when she excels here, she excels at there.
[31:24] Speaker 2: She's a squeezer. She's a squeezer.
[31:26] Speaker 1: With us.
[31:32] Speaker 2: Rona, the.
[31:35] Speaker 5: African families, African people, if I could say that.
[31:40] Speaker 2: Individualism. I think we need to learn that.
[31:44] Speaker 5: And that'll come in handy with understanding that Anale can cook,
[31:48] Speaker 5: but she won't clean. Mapaseka likes to serve. She will
[31:52] Speaker 5: buy and serve, but she won't cook. And that's okay.
[31:55] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[31:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[31:56] Speaker 6: I think I was liking that regard because my rakati,
[31:59] Speaker 6: my husband's sister, she knew me very well. So already
[32:03] Speaker 6: she had hired three ladies who were going to clean.
[32:05] Speaker 2: Got you.
[32:05] Speaker 6: Because they know that Anale is going to cook, we're
[32:07] Speaker 6: going to eat well, but what she's not going to do.
[32:10] Speaker 2: And I think that's the.
[32:12] Speaker 6: Longevity of marriage is when families realize that, guys, we're
[32:16] Speaker 6: in this together and no one was brought here.
[32:19] Speaker 2: To be perfect.
[32:20] Speaker 6: Right? But what I love about the show Nyala O
[32:22] Speaker 6: is that every couple who watches it by yourself, with
[32:26] Speaker 6: your person, some of you are watching it alone because
[32:28] Speaker 6: you don't want to answer questions. Yeah.
[32:31] Speaker 10: You don't want your wife to say, one month?
[32:36] Speaker 2: One month? Yes.
[32:40] Speaker 6: But even if it's difficult conversations, thank you guys.
[32:43] Speaker 2: As a cast, as a show, as a script, as
[32:45] Speaker 2: a dialogue, as a channel. Thank you for.
[32:48] Speaker 6: forcing us to have those difficult conversations because we weren't
[32:51] Speaker 6: given the opportunity to have them when we were growing up.
[32:53] Speaker 2: So like you say, I don't know, my dad left
[32:55] Speaker 2: me when I was seven.
[32:56] Speaker 6: Now you can confront those demons and you can realize
[32:59] Speaker 6: that they affect you a lot more than you allow
[33:01] Speaker 6: yourself to think.
[33:02] Speaker 2: So yeah, well done guys. That is what art is
[33:04] Speaker 2: supposed to do.
[33:05] Speaker 5: Yay!
[33:07] Speaker 11: Yay!
[33:07] Speaker 9: Yay!
[33:08] Speaker 3: Yay!
[33:08] Speaker 2: Yay!
[33:08] Speaker 10: Yay!
[33:08] Speaker 4: Yay!
[33:09] Speaker 6: Yay! Yay!
[33:17] Speaker 7: Say goodbye now. Back to making your morning.
[33:19] Speaker 11: Back.
[33:20] Speaker 3: On L.A.
[33:21] Speaker 2: And the club. I love this show.
[33:22] Speaker 3: On 947.

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