# 399 | Escape the overpreparing trap: feel confident without endless prep

An episode of [The Art of Speaking Up](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1436888741), 27 Jan 2026, 30 min.

Audio: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2630838/episodes/19505535-399-escape-the-overpreparing-trap-feel-confident-without-endless-prep.mp3

In this episode, I’m breaking down one of the biggest misconceptions about confidence at work: the idea that if you just prepare enough, you’ll finally feel ready to speak up. Today I’m teaching you why overpreparing doesn’t actually help you feel stronger in the room, and what does. You’ll leave the episode with a deeper understanding of what genuine confidence is made of, and how to access it without having to overprepare every time. Join the waitlist for The Art of Speaking Up Academy: https://jessguzikcoaching.com/academy/

## Transcript

[0:05] SPEAKER_00: The sign of a good leader is that a leader can hold complex, challenging emotions.
[0:12] SPEAKER_00: They can navigate the hard stuff.
[0:14] SPEAKER_00: So if we tell ourselves, I'll just avoid emotional discomfort, not only are we trying to pretend like we are robots instead of humans, but we are also depriving ourselves of the opportunity to become deeply resilient leaders.
[0:34] SPEAKER_00: Welcome to The Art of Speaking Up, a podcast that helps professional women access the limitless potential that lies within them.
[0:44] SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Jessica Cousin.
[0:46] SPEAKER_00: And my mission is to help you find that spark inside you that has the power to transform your career in ways you may not have thought possible.
[0:56] SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited that you're here.
[0:58] SPEAKER_00: And now on to the show.
[1:06] SPEAKER_00: Let me know if this situation feels familiar to you.
[1:11] SPEAKER_00: You are sitting in a meeting, there are higher-up leaders in the room, and the conversation starts moving quickly.
[1:18] SPEAKER_00: People are using terms that you are not familiar with, they're talking about projects that you don't know super deeply, and they're discussing business strategy that is outside of your area of expertise.
[1:32] SPEAKER_00: As the conversation goes on, you start to feel nervous, your heart starts racing, maybe your face feels warm, and you find yourself shrinking back because you feel intimidated by what's happening in the conversation.
[1:47] SPEAKER_00: And then you find yourself thinking, everyone else seems to understand this.
[1:53] SPEAKER_00: How come I don't understand this?
[1:55] SPEAKER_00: What is wrong with me?
[1:57] SPEAKER_00: And then you leave the meeting feeling exhausted, not from the actual work of the meeting, but from the emotional experience of shame and self-doubt that came up for you in the room.
[2:13] SPEAKER_00: If this experience feels familiar to you, today's episode is for you.
[2:20] SPEAKER_00: I'm going to be explaining why we get stuck in this pattern and I'm going to teach you two very powerful ways to help pull yourself out of it.
[2:32] SPEAKER_00: I understand this experience because this was such a big part of my journey in my corporate career.
[2:42] SPEAKER_00: Before I became a coach, before I was a full-time podcaster, I had a nine to five career.
[2:48] SPEAKER_00: My very first job ever was at a management consulting firm called McKinsey.
[2:54] SPEAKER_00: And I would get so emotionally overwhelmed in meetings because people were talking about things that didn't make sense to me.
[3:03] SPEAKER_00: And I would start to get lost in my head and in all of the overwhelm that was happening in my head.
[3:11] SPEAKER_00: And I missed really key opportunities to join the conversation and help people see that I was capable of shaping direction and being a leader in that room.
[3:24] SPEAKER_00: Now, when I was struggling with this, it was so painful for me that I fell into a pattern that I see a lot of people falling into and that can keep us stuck for longer than we want to be.
[3:39] SPEAKER_00: And the pattern is this we have this stressful experience in these meetings.
[3:46] SPEAKER_00: And then we leave the meeting thinking that felt horrible.
[3:50] SPEAKER_00: I feel horrible about myself.
[3:53] SPEAKER_00: This can never happen again.
[3:55] SPEAKER_00: I never want to repeat this experience.
[3:57] SPEAKER_00: I just want to feel confident and normal like everyone else.
[4:01] SPEAKER_00: And I'm going to figure out a way to make that happen.
[4:05] SPEAKER_00: Now, usually what we do to make it happen is we tell ourselves, I'm going to prepare, I'm going to review the slide presentation, I'm going to read up on the topic, and I'm going to get into that room and I'm going to know what people are talking about.
[4:23] SPEAKER_00: And I'm going to feel confident and I'm going to join in the conversation.
[4:27] SPEAKER_00: And we fall into patterns of chronic over-preparation because we're thinking this will help me get around that overwhelming experience.
[4:36] SPEAKER_00: However, preparing isn't how we build the confidence to speak up in those rooms.
[4:44] SPEAKER_00: You can't prepare your way to confidence because number one, no matter how much you prepare, there will always be questions that you don't fully understand, topics that aren't completely familiar to you.
[5:01] SPEAKER_00: You can't prepare so deeply that you will be able to cover anything that possibly comes up.
[5:08] SPEAKER_00: And if you try to do that, you'll be burning many hours of your day and you're going to end up exhausting yourself.
[5:16] SPEAKER_00: But the other reason that preparation isn't the solution to that experience is because part of leadership is being able to be in rooms unprepared and still speak up and still be a part of the conversation.
[5:37] SPEAKER_00: This is super, super important.
[5:39] SPEAKER_00: When someone gets promoted into a high-level leadership role at a company, part of the reason that the company is comfortable promoting that person into that role is because that person has proved to the company that you can throw them into tricky or unfamiliar situations and they will figure it out.
[6:04] SPEAKER_00: They have proved to their company that they don't need to be 100% prepared to walk into the room and have impact.
[6:14] SPEAKER_00: When someone has the ability to have impact and shape the conversation, even when they're not fully prepared, even when they're not an expert on that topic, that person becomes insanely valuable within an organization because they can get so much done and be so agile.
[6:32] SPEAKER_00: And they're the person that you can put on your most difficult, complex, stickiest project.
[6:40] SPEAKER_00: And the more you grow as a leader and the higher leadership title you get, the more this is expected of you.
[6:49] SPEAKER_00: So if you are successful in your career, the experience of feeling confused and unfamiliar in meetings is going to increase, not decrease, because the more successful you are and the more you get promoted, the more your company is going to turn to you to navigate those tricky situations.
[7:12] SPEAKER_00: The reason that I'm sharing this is because I really want to show you that letting go of the desire to prepare your way out of the emotional discomfort is what is going to help you grow.
[7:27] SPEAKER_00: And this is a huge way that I support my clients.
[7:31] SPEAKER_00: Typically, when they first start working with me, they are very stuck in patterns of over-preparation.
[7:39] SPEAKER_00: And I work with them to build new skills that are different than preparation, that help them feel confident in the room, even if they're not an expert, and even if they haven't fully prepared.
[7:53] SPEAKER_00: And that's what I want to dive into in today's episode.
[7:57] SPEAKER_00: I'm going to be teaching you two internal skills that will help you speak up powerfully in any conversation, whether you know the subject matter or not.
[8:10] SPEAKER_00: So we're going to start with the first one, which is one of my absolute favorite things to coach my clients on.
[8:17] SPEAKER_00: And it is the skill of being able to coexist with emotional discomfort without spiraling into emotional overwhelm.
[8:31] SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot to unpack here.
[8:33] SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to explain to you what it looks like when you don't have this skill fully developed.
[8:39] SPEAKER_00: And then I'll explain to you what it looks like to exercise this capability.
[8:45] SPEAKER_00: So when you don't have this ability, typically what happens is as soon as you start to feel emotional discomfort, that emotional discomfort spirals into emotional overwhelm.
[9:00] SPEAKER_00: There's a difference between emotional discomfort versus emotional overwhelm.
[9:05] SPEAKER_00: Emotional discomfort doesn't feel good, but it's something we can handle.
[9:10] SPEAKER_00: It's something we can move through.
[9:12] SPEAKER_00: Emotional overwhelm is when the discomfort reaches a point where it overwhelms us, it overtakes us.
[9:20] SPEAKER_00: It interferes with our ability to stay present and make active choices about how we want to behave in that moment.
[9:32] SPEAKER_00: And this is something that would happen to me so often when I was in the beginning of my career and I was really struggling with confidence.
[9:40] SPEAKER_00: My emotional discomfort would escalate into emotional overwhelm so quickly.
[9:47] SPEAKER_00: I would literally feel like the nervousness and insecurity and emotional discomfort was like swallowing me up from my feet all the way up to my head, like consuming me.
[10:01] SPEAKER_00: I'm imagining myself literally being swallowed by something.
[10:05] SPEAKER_00: And this experience was so intense, an entire meeting could go by, and I would barely have awareness that I had spent the entire 30 minutes or 60 minutes in my head, just spinning in this emotional experience.
[10:23] SPEAKER_00: And this can happen when something's very overwhelming, it's very intense.
[10:28] SPEAKER_00: We get completely stuck in our own heads, and the meeting is over before we've had any sort of opportunity to speak up and join the conversation.
[10:39] SPEAKER_00: Now, when I am typically working with my clients to help them get better at not allowing emotional discomfort to escalate into emotional overwhelm, one of the first things I see people do, which I also did.
[10:57] SPEAKER_00: So this is totally normal.
[10:59] SPEAKER_00: But what I see people do is they say, okay, cool.
[11:02] SPEAKER_00: If part of the problem is that I'm experiencing emotional discomfort and then it's escalating into overwhelm, then the solution is I need to stop experiencing emotional discomfort.
[11:14] SPEAKER_00: I need to not feel that initial emotional discomfort so that there's nothing to spiral.
[11:19] SPEAKER_00: The problem is emotional discomfort is not always within our control.
[11:25] SPEAKER_00: For us to tell ourselves that we will be in full control of the amount of emotional discomfort we are experiencing would be us lying to ourselves.
[11:37] SPEAKER_00: And it would be us becoming really bad leaders.
[11:42] SPEAKER_00: Because the sign of a good leader is that a leader can hold complex, challenging emotions.
[11:49] SPEAKER_00: They can navigate the hard stuff.
[11:52] SPEAKER_00: So if we tell ourselves, I'll just avoid emotional discomfort, not only are we trying to pretend like we are robots instead of humans, but we are also depriving ourselves of the opportunity to become deeply resilient leaders, which is why the piece that I work with my clients on and the piece that I recommend you focus on instead is to be able to hold and metabolize emotional discomfort.
[12:26] SPEAKER_00: So I want to zoom in on the word metabolize.
[12:31] SPEAKER_00: And this episode's gonna get a little weird.
[12:34] SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna use an analogy that's gonna feel a little weird, but I think it's gonna help you understand this.
[12:39] SPEAKER_00: So metabolize means that I've eaten food and that food can now be broken down by my digestive system, and then it can kind of go where it needs to go to fuel my body.
[12:52] SPEAKER_00: So it basically means like my digestive system can handle that food.
[12:59] SPEAKER_00: Now, I want you to think about the opposite of metabolizing.
[13:02] SPEAKER_00: If I consume something that my digestive system can't handle, so for example, let's say I consume something that is spoiled or that is dangerous for me to consume, I will not be able to metabolize it and I will be out of commission, right?
[13:21] SPEAKER_00: Bad things will happen.
[13:23] SPEAKER_00: And so with emotional discomfort, it's the same.
[13:28] SPEAKER_00: We can either learn to metabolize it and it can move through us in a healthy way, or we can reject it and it will explode out of us.
[13:40] SPEAKER_00: I told you that this was gonna get weird, but it's just such a perfect analogy.
[13:45] SPEAKER_00: I had to use it.
[13:46] SPEAKER_00: So sorry if this feels a little gross.
[13:49] SPEAKER_00: But I want you to think about it as your goal is for you to be able to digest uncomfortable emotions.
[13:56] SPEAKER_00: So when they happen, instead of it spiraling out of control and spilling everywhere, you want to be able to process it.
[14:04] SPEAKER_00: You want to be able to metabolize it.
[14:06] SPEAKER_00: And one of the most powerful ways that you can develop your ability to do this is number one, decide that it's okay to feel emotional discomfort.
[14:19] SPEAKER_00: And number two, decide that emotional discomfort is something that you want to get good at.
[14:27] SPEAKER_00: When you decide that it's okay and it's something that you want to learn how to move through, then when it happens, you don't panic as much because it's all part of your plan.
[14:39] SPEAKER_00: It's all part of your growth plan as a leader for you to become that badass, unstoppable, unshakable leader, you need to be exposed to emotionally hard things so that you can move right through them and then look behind you and say, wow, I did that.
[14:56] SPEAKER_00: I'm really freaking good at leading.
[14:59] SPEAKER_00: And when we are able to welcome the experience of emotional discomfort, and when you get into this headspace of accepting that emotional discomfort is normal and actually deciding that you want to experience a little bit of it so that you can grow, then when it pops up for you, you're not going to move into emotional overwhelm because you're not going to be thinking that the emotional discomfort is this horrible, awful sign of something bad happening.
[15:30] SPEAKER_00: You're going to see it as a rite of passage for your growth.
[15:34] SPEAKER_00: And when you see it that way, and when you don't escalate into emotional overwhelm, you discover one of the most beautiful abilities that you will ever discover about yourself as a human, which is that you can take action even when you feel uncomfortable.
[15:55] SPEAKER_00: This is the new discovery that you make when you make peace with emotional discomfort.
[16:03] SPEAKER_00: Because you're not allowing it to escalate into emotional overwhelm.
[16:08] SPEAKER_00: And because you're building your ability to metabolize it, then when it comes up, instead of you becoming completely frozen or completely paralyzed, you are able to say to yourself, I do feel uncomfortable, but that's okay.
[16:26] SPEAKER_00: I can handle this and I'm going to speak up anyway.
[16:30] SPEAKER_00: And when you start having those experiences of speaking up in rooms where the overwhelm used to prevent you from doing that, your confidence will soar to the moon.
[16:43] SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of times we think that confidence is going to come from us entering into the room and it feels really easy and everything goes smoothly, and we speak up and we sound smart and everyone loves it.
[16:56] SPEAKER_00: That's not where we build the deep confidence.
[17:00] SPEAKER_00: The deep confidence gets built when we walk into the room and it feels really hard.
[17:05] SPEAKER_00: And there's a part of us that wants to totally spiral into overwhelm, but we don't.
[17:11] SPEAKER_00: And we show up for it and we take the action anyway.
[17:15] SPEAKER_00: We leave that room feeling 10 times more confident than we would feel leaving a room where everything was easy and everything went ideally.
[17:26] SPEAKER_00: That's one of the most beautiful things of learning to metabolize emotional discomfort, is that it builds your confidence faster than almost anything that you can possibly do.
[17:39] SPEAKER_00: And with that, I want to move into the second skill that will help you speak up in rooms that intimidate you.
[17:48] SPEAKER_00: And that is the skill of separating confusion from character.
[17:54] SPEAKER_00: So once again, there's a lot to this one.
[17:57] SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to go ahead and unpack it.
[18:00] SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to start by explaining what it means when we are merging confusion and character together.
[18:08] SPEAKER_00: Here's what this looks like when you are experiencing it.
[18:12] SPEAKER_00: You're in a meeting, people are talking, you feel confused.
[18:18] SPEAKER_00: As soon as you feel confused, your mind launches into negative character judgments.
[18:27] SPEAKER_00: So you might have thoughts like, I'm not smart, something is wrong with me.
[18:32] SPEAKER_00: I'm broken.
[18:34] SPEAKER_00: I don't get it the way other people get it.
[18:37] SPEAKER_00: Now, when you have those thoughts, they feel so real in the moment.
[18:41] SPEAKER_00: And I remember having those thoughts.
[18:43] SPEAKER_00: I remember how true it felt that I was dumber than everyone else, that I just didn't get it in a way that everyone else just got it.
[18:52] SPEAKER_00: What I didn't realize is that I was merging confusion and character.
[18:58] SPEAKER_00: I was thinking that because I felt confused, it meant something negative about my character.
[19:05] SPEAKER_00: And this is a really common pattern that I see with my clients as well.
[19:10] SPEAKER_00: You start to get confused, and this causes you to think that you are a bad person.
[19:15] SPEAKER_00: And this might lead you to feel ashamed of yourself.
[19:19] SPEAKER_00: It might lead you to feel like something is wrong with you that you have to hide from other people.
[19:24] SPEAKER_00: It can really amplify your feelings of imposter syndrome.
[19:28] SPEAKER_00: And worse of all, when you start to feel ashamed because you are confused, it becomes so hard to speak up because shame causes us to shut down internally.
[19:41] SPEAKER_00: So the moment that your confusion becomes a character judgment about yourself that causes you to feel ashamed, your mind will shut down and it will be nearly impossible for you to enter into the conversation.
[19:56] SPEAKER_00: And something that can be so psychologically painful about this experience is that the shame accumulates every time it happens.
[20:05] SPEAKER_00: And I remember having this experience of feeling worse and worse about myself with every meeting that went by because every meeting was reinforcing this incorrect but painful belief that there was some sort of something wrong with me.
[20:22] SPEAKER_00: And I would really amplify that feeling by comparing myself to everyone else and thinking, well, everyone else seems fine, everyone else is participating.
[20:31] SPEAKER_00: So of course, something must be wrong with me.
[20:34] SPEAKER_00: Now, if you relate to this, one of the most important pivots that you can make for your career and for growing your self-confidence is to separate confusion from character.
[20:47] SPEAKER_00: Being confused is not a sign of bad character.
[20:52] SPEAKER_00: It is not a sign that something is wrong with you.
[20:55] SPEAKER_00: And what I'm about to say might break your brain, but it's true.
[21:00] SPEAKER_00: So I have to say it.
[21:02] SPEAKER_00: Not only is confusion not a sign that something is wrong with you, confusion is a sign that something is right with you.
[21:12] SPEAKER_00: If you are thinking that that doesn't make sense, please stay with me because this is so important.
[21:19] SPEAKER_00: Confusion is something that organizations funnel to their most capable leaders.
[21:27] SPEAKER_00: So earlier in this episode, I talked about how companies need leaders who can go into meetings unprepared and confused and still find a way to speak up and add value.
[21:42] SPEAKER_00: They need leaders who can go in the room, feel confused, and work through the confusion.
[21:50] SPEAKER_00: A leader who has the ability to do that is highly valuable to a company because you can put them anywhere and they're going to figure out.
[22:00] SPEAKER_00: How to solve it.
[22:02] SPEAKER_00: So if you are regularly in situations where you feel confused, it means that the duties of your job have elevated to a place where your company wants you doing higher level problem solving because they believe that you are capable of doing that.
[22:24] SPEAKER_00: Typically, roles that make you feel confused are roles that come with a certain amount of leadership, right?
[22:31] SPEAKER_00: Like if you were never confused in your job and you knew how to do everything always and you understood the topic always, it would probably be because you are an intern who is doing the same thing every single day and who is never being invited to meetings with high-level leaders.
[22:49] SPEAKER_00: So the goal isn't for you to never feel confused.
[22:52] SPEAKER_00: The goal is for you to feel confused often because that means you're being seen as a highly capable leader.
[22:59] SPEAKER_00: So now the work for you is to internalize that and to pivot from this confusion means something is wrong with me to this confusion is a rite of passage that every leader has to work through.
[23:17] SPEAKER_00: And the high up leaders at your company who appear confident from the outside, it's not that they're never confused.
[23:26] SPEAKER_00: It's not that the meeting always makes sense to them.
[23:29] SPEAKER_00: It's that they have honed their skill of moving through confusion and they have gotten so good at it that we don't sense their confusion because they're just not freaked out about it.
[23:41] SPEAKER_00: They ask the questions they need to ask.
[23:44] SPEAKER_00: They ask those questions calmly and they get into the conversation and they help lead everyone in the room.
[23:52] SPEAKER_00: And you are absolutely capable of doing this as well.
[23:56] SPEAKER_00: And it all starts with learning to separate confusion from character.
[24:03] SPEAKER_00: One of the biggest things that finally helped me start growing and building my confidence is I realized with the help of mentors and my support system, I realized that I was using these situations to belittle and shame myself.
[24:21] SPEAKER_00: And I flipped it around and I told myself that I was gonna be the person who could handle being confused and handle feeling incompetent better than anyone else could.
[24:34] SPEAKER_00: I almost made it like this source of pride that I was gonna become someone who was so confident that you could put me in any sort of situation that was totally outside my comfort zone and I wouldn't crumble at all.
[24:48] SPEAKER_00: I would just be totally cool with feeling like I didn't understand it.
[24:53] SPEAKER_00: And it's so funny because as I developed that capability for myself, I started challenging myself in all different areas of my life and putting myself in situations where I felt confused, I felt incompetent, I felt like I didn't get it.
[25:08] SPEAKER_00: So I could keep strengthening that muscle of being like, yep, that's not really gonna make me feel bad about myself.
[25:14] SPEAKER_00: Like I'm totally cool.
[25:16] SPEAKER_00: I can totally handle it.
[25:17] SPEAKER_00: And I took improv classes because I wanted to force myself to get up on stage in front of people and not know what I was doing and look a little silly.
[25:26] SPEAKER_00: I even took magic classes.
[25:29] SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
[25:30] SPEAKER_00: I took magic classes where you have to get up in front of the class and not only do a magic trick, which is so hard for me because I don't have good hand agility.
[25:40] SPEAKER_00: I'm just like terrible at it.
[25:42] SPEAKER_00: But you have to do a magic trick while entertaining everyone and telling a story.
[25:46] SPEAKER_00: And that was so hard for me.
[25:48] SPEAKER_00: Like I would mess it up and my magic tricks like didn't look that good.
[25:53] SPEAKER_00: It was very obvious where I was hiding the handkerchief or how I was secretly manipulating the deck of cards.
[26:01] SPEAKER_00: But the point of that wasn't for me to show everyone how good I was at this new hard thing.
[26:08] SPEAKER_00: The point was for me to show myself how good I was at staying strong when I wasn't adept at the new hard thing.
[26:18] SPEAKER_00: And this is actually one of the reasons why when I work with my clients, I offer them the opportunity to do speaking exercises that put them outside of their comfort zone.
[26:30] SPEAKER_00: I give them a prompt and they have to speak about it on the spot.
[26:34] SPEAKER_00: Now, I never force anyone to do this.
[26:36] SPEAKER_00: So it's an exercise that we do, and whoever wants to do the exercise can raise their hand and give it a try.
[26:43] SPEAKER_00: But the reason that I do this is because it mimicked the experiences that I had in improv class and in magic class, where I had to just do a thing and practice feeling good about myself, even though I wasn't doing it perfectly.
[26:59] SPEAKER_00: And I believe there is nothing more empowering that you can do for yourself than to build that internal muscle.
[27:07] SPEAKER_00: Because when you have it, you're not so afraid of not having the answer.
[27:12] SPEAKER_00: You're not so afraid of not being an expert because you know, deep down inside, you can handle anything.
[27:18] SPEAKER_00: You know, a stakeholder can ask you a hard question.
[27:21] SPEAKER_00: A random, obscure topic could come up in the meeting.
[27:25] SPEAKER_00: None of it is going to knock you down.
[27:27] SPEAKER_00: You will work through the confusion, you will metabolize the uncomfortable emotions and you will show up for it and be a leader in that room and leave the meeting feeling super proud of how you navigated that difficult challenge that got thrown at you.
[27:41] SPEAKER_00: If you want to work with me to learn how to metabolize emotional discomfort and to learn how to feel strong and confident rather than ashamed when you are confused or outside your comfort zone, this is the inner work that I guide you through inside my signature program, The Art of Speaking Up Academy.
[28:03] SPEAKER_00: This is a program where I help you develop a powerful and confident voice as a leader.
[28:10] SPEAKER_00: And one of the biggest things that we work on is helping you become emotionally strong.
[28:17] SPEAKER_00: When you are emotionally strong, you can walk into any meeting or any conversation knowing that you will be able to handle it.
[28:25] SPEAKER_00: And when you have that confidence, the meetings and the conversations that used to stress you out become enjoyable for you because they are now a place where you get to flex your leadership muscles and flex your confidence and show people just how much you can handle and navigate in the room.
[28:45] SPEAKER_00: If you are ready to do that inner work to build confidence and be able to speak up, even in these intimidating situations, I want to invite you to come join me in the next cohort of the Art of Speaking Up Academy.
[29:00] SPEAKER_00: To come join me in this program, click the link in the show notes or go to JessGuzick Coaching.com slash Academy and add yourself to the wait list.
[29:14] SPEAKER_00: Once you join the wait list, you will receive a private invitation to enroll early.
[29:21] SPEAKER_00: This will allow you to secure your spot in advance.
[29:25] SPEAKER_00: And when you enroll early, you get exclusive early enrollment bonuses.
[29:31] SPEAKER_00: The current bonus that I am offering is a private one-on-one session with me.
[29:37] SPEAKER_00: You don't want to miss this because you will get that session for free, complimentary included in your enrollment.
[29:44] SPEAKER_00: Just head over to the link in the show notes and add yourself to the wait list.
[29:50] SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for tuning in to today's episode, and I will catch you in the next one.
[29:56] SPEAKER_00: Bye.

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