# Yugoslav Interlude Part 2: Exile and Grief

An episode of [Mobile Suit Breakdown: the Gundam Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1434773197), 28 Mar 2026, 29 min.

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Show Notes This week on MSB: the second of our dedicated Yugoslavia episodes! In this installment, we return to London to meet the gang of "discredited and out of date politicians" who made up King Peter II's government-in-exile, and find out how they kept themselves busy during the war years. Ready? Go! Mobile Suit Breakdown is written, recorded, and produced within Lenapehoking, the ancestral and unceded homeland of the Lenape, or Delaware, people. Before European settlers forced them to move west, the Lenape lived in New York City, New Jersey, and portions of New York State, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Connecticut. Lenapehoking is still the homeland of the Lenape diaspora, which includes communities living in Oklahoma, Wisconsin, and Ontario. You can learn more about Lenapehoking, the Lenape people, and ongoing efforts to honor the relationship between the land and indigenous peoples by visiting the websites of the Delaware Tribe and the Manhattan-based Lenape Center. Listeners in the Americas and Oceania can learn more about the indigenous people of your area at https://native-land.ca/. We would like to thank The Lenape Center for guiding us in creating this living land acknowledgment. You can subscribe to Mobile Suit Breakdown for free! on fine Podcast services everywhere and on YouTube, visit our website GundamPodcast.com, follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook, or email your questions, comments, and complaints to gundampodcast@gmail.com. Mobile Suit Breakdown wouldn't exist without the support of our fans and Patrons! You can join our Patreon to support the podcast and enjoy bonus episodes, extra out-takes, behind-the-scenes photos and video, MSB gear, and much more! The intro music is WASP by Misha Dioxin, the recap music Window by 1000 Handz, and the outro is Long Way Home by Spinning Ratio, all licensed under Creative Commons CC BY 4.0 licenses. All music used in the podcast has been edited to fit the text. Mobile Suit Breakdown provides critical commentary and is protected by the Fair Use clause of the United States Copyright law. Gundam content is copyright and/or trademark of Sunrise Inc., Bandai, Sotsu Agency, or its original creator. Mobile Suit Breakdown is in no way affiliated with or endorsed by Sunrise, Bandai, Sotsu, or any of their subsidiaries, employees, or associates and makes no claim to own Gundam or any of the copyrights or trademarks related to it. Copyrighted content used in Mobile Suit Breakdown is used in accordance with the Fair Use clause of the United States Copyright law. Any queries should be directed to gundampodcast@gmail.com Read transcript

## Transcript

[0:08] You're listening to season 11 of Mobile Suit Breakdown, a weekly podcast covering the entirety of sci fi mega franchise Mobile suit Gundam from 1979 to today.
[0:30] This is the second of our dedicated Yugoslavia Exile and Grief. Last time I did one of these, one of our patrons suggested that I put together a clip show of the various Yugoslavia research pieces from season 10 for anyone who wants to refresh their memory or listen to them together as a miniseries. I thought that was a great idea and I'm hoping to have it ready before the next installment comes out in three weeks time. And of course we'll return to G Gundam next Week with episode 11.7 Once Upon a Fight in Neo Mexico. For now though, we return to London 1941, where the Yugoslav royal government has just settled in for what they hope will be a brief exile. On June 21, 1941, King Peter II Karadorjevic arrived in London accompanied by his Prime Minister, the 59 year old Air Force General Dushan Simovich, and most of his cabinet. Much of the professional military leadership remained in Cairo, where the remnants of the Yugoslav Royal army were gathering and a number of lower ranking politicians were stationed in South Africa. But there were two crucial exceptions at the top, both of them Croatians. Ivan Ubai, the ban, effectively the Governor of Croatia, set up his office in the United States, already home to a large Croatian immigrant community, while Vlad Ko Maczek, successor to Stepan Radic as leader of the Croatian Peasant Party, leader of the opposition throughout the royal dictatorship years, and now vice premier under Simovic, chose to remain in Yugoslavia to do what he could for his conquered people. We will pick up the threads of their stories in the next episode. For the then 17 year old king, exile in London meant a chance to live the closest thing to a normal teenage life someone in his position was ever likely to get. He attended Cambridge, though he never showed much enthusiasm for his formal studies. And he did all the regular college kid things ate bad cafeteria food, hung out with socialists, joined a rowing club. However, early in his exile he would…
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[27:41] No, the lettuce lasted longer.
[27:42] The lettuce would be even more confusing for people who listen to this, you know, five years from now.
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[28:15] Jozo. The way you say his first name sounds like a American trying to say Joel.
[28:21] It's spelled J O, Z O. And I don't think it's supposed to be Yozo. I should just say. I should. I should say Joseph because it is a. That's his actual name. Joseph is his nickname. Sa.

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