# Black Teen's Violent Arrest Goes Viral. Judge Restores Black Farmer Grants. xAI Pollution

An episode of [#RolandMartinUnfiltered](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1434424449), 15 Jul 2026, 2 h 11 min.

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7.14.2026 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Black Teen's Violent Arrest Goes Viral. Judge Restores Black Farmer Grants. xAI Pollution _ For free and unbiased Medicare help, dial (724) 264-8281 to speak with my trusted partner, Chapter, or go to https://askchapter.org/roland *Paid Partnership* _ A video of a Black teenager in Wisconsin being violently arrested has gone viral on Instagram but has been largely overlooked by mainstream media. We'll show it to you and delve into the details of the case. White Michigan progressive congressional candidate William Lawrence is facing backlash for comments he made about Black elected officials. A federal judge has reversed Trump's cancellation of $127 million in grants for Black farmers. We'll talk with one of the plaintiffs in the case and the lawyer who fought the administration in court. A new investigation reveals that Elon Musk's xAI data centers are releasing significant amounts of pollution into Black communities across the country. In today's Shop Black-Star-Network marketplace, we'll feature a conversation with the husband-and-wife duo who founded Tribe and Oak, a company that produces clean wax candles. And I'll share my sit-down interview with Lamont Bagby, the chairman of the Democratic Party of Virginia. Download the Kalshi app and use code Soccer10 to get $10 when you trade $10. You can also sign up at kalshi.com/r/soccer10, which auto-applies the code at checkout. Kalshi. Trade What's Next _ Black Star Network Partner: Chapter Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options. ____ Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[0:18] Speaker 1: To.
[0:18] Speaker 2: There's two of July fourteen, twenty twenty six coming up
[0:21] Speaker 2: on Roland Martin nonfiltered streaming live on the Blackstart Network.
[0:25] Speaker 2: A video a black teenager in Wisconsin being violently arrested
[0:29] Speaker 2: has gone viral on Instagram, but it's largely overlooked by
[0:33] Speaker 2: mainstream white media. Will show you the video and dealb
[0:36] Speaker 2: with to the details of the case and hear from
[0:39] Speaker 2: the city as well well, folks. White Michigan Progressive congressional
[0:44] Speaker 2: candidate William Lawrence has facing backlash for comments he made
[0:47] Speaker 2: about black elected officials. He says that they're basically defanging
[0:54] Speaker 2: the white left. The federal judges reverse Donald Trump's cancelation
[0:58] Speaker 2: of one hundred twenty seven million in grants for black farmers,
[1:02] Speaker 2: will talk with one of the plaintiffs in the case
[1:04] Speaker 2: and the lawyer who fought the administration in court. A
[1:07] Speaker 2: new investigation reveals that Elon musk x AI data centers
[1:12] Speaker 2: are releasing significant amounts of pollution into black communities across
[1:16] Speaker 2: the country. No shock from that racist In today's shop
[1:21] Speaker 2: Blackstart network dot com marketplace segment will feature a conversation
[1:25] Speaker 2: with a husband and wife duo who founded Tribe and Oak,
[1:28] Speaker 2: a company that produces clean wax candles and also Lamarck
[1:33] Speaker 2: Bagby the chair of the Democratic Party Virginia. Will show
[1:37] Speaker 2: you what he has to say in terms of what
[1:39] Speaker 2: his vision is for building on their majorities in the Commonwealth. Folks,
[1:45] Speaker 2: it's time to bring the funk. I'm rolling on Filcher
[1:47] Speaker 2: on the blackstud Network.
[1:48] Speaker 3: Let's go.
[1:58] Speaker 4: Right on top of his.
[2:01] Speaker 5: Best belief.
[2:02] Speaker 6: He's going.
[2:05] Speaker 7: To politics ment just Boase's it's rolling, He's she's real.
[2:27] Speaker 8: Good question. No, he's rolling, folks.
[2:44] Speaker 2: This video for Black Wisconsin team being arrested is going
[2:46] Speaker 2: viral and it's causing a lot of discussion, especially since
[2:49] Speaker 2: it appears mainstream white media is ignoring it. It's a
[2:52] Speaker 2: typical afternoon for some teams riding their bikes. For an
[2:55] Speaker 2: unknown reason, a Wakesha police officer violently handles the black
[3:01] Speaker 2: team when he did not obey his commands to sit down. Luckily,
[3:04] Speaker 2: Instagram user Sammy underscore Star caught the interaction on video.
[3:09] Speaker 9: Watch off the bike, hold the spatch?
[3:27] Speaker 8: How do you shut down?
[3:34] Speaker 2: No, I don't go to sing.
[3:40] Speaker 5: You doing anything?
[3:44] Speaker 8: You get off, You're gonna get.
[3:52] Speaker 1: You put.
[3:54] Speaker 3: Yo.
[3:54] Speaker 1: You recording recording?
[4:00] Speaker 10: What are you doing?
[4:01] Speaker 11: Bro's something or something.
[4:05] Speaker 12: You came out, so.
[4:09] Speaker 13: You're doing this for no reason?
[4:11] Speaker 9: Leave him?
[4:12] Speaker 1: Hello?
[4:13] Speaker 2: If your picture, you have no reason, I'm gonna go no, yo, go.
[4:20] Speaker 14: Yo go.
[4:22] Speaker 1: He came up for no reason?
[4:24] Speaker 15: Why you whoa?
[4:26] Speaker 8: What's your You're not gonna ship?
[4:29] Speaker 15: Whoa?
[4:30] Speaker 1: You're gonna leave him alone? Hey?
[4:32] Speaker 16: What's your fucking fazer?
[4:33] Speaker 1: Guy?
[4:35] Speaker 3: Adi?
[4:36] Speaker 1: I'm a.
[4:39] Speaker 17: What's your high up?
[4:40] Speaker 1: Hey?
[4:40] Speaker 17: Get get go go.
[4:43] Speaker 2: Oh, you're not talking about again.
[4:46] Speaker 6: I'm the.
[4:49] Speaker 15: Why why were you all on chasing?
[4:54] Speaker 1: Oh there's some keeping fucking a sudden.
[5:01] Speaker 5: You don't do that ship for no reason?
[5:11] Speaker 1: I don't him now.
[5:14] Speaker 2: Dawn Nry Smith captured more of what happened when more
[5:17] Speaker 2: officers arrived on the scene.
[5:24] Speaker 18: White kids ain't None of them get arrested, None of
[5:26] Speaker 18: them got the pain, none of them got close. I
[5:28] Speaker 18: was with a whole aprop of white kids.
[5:32] Speaker 17: I can see it.
[5:33] Speaker 7: He's talking.
[5:37] Speaker 19: And they don't check him out with multiple car so what.
[5:57] Speaker 5: But that that's not okay?
[6:00] Speaker 6: Hey, do.
[6:02] Speaker 5: Hold you down? The grown man?
[6:04] Speaker 18: Before any of them got here, was one girln man
[6:06] Speaker 18: that took him down, and he was on the ground already.
[6:08] Speaker 17: Before the other five police had show it up.
[6:15] Speaker 1: Oh, my.
[6:20] Speaker 14: Yeah, we.
[6:23] Speaker 5: Took him off of the car again.
[6:24] Speaker 3: They slammed him again.
[6:25] Speaker 18: Yeah, alright, I didn't get that proud video.
[6:28] Speaker 3: I know you have his.
[6:36] Speaker 1: What's that.
[6:39] Speaker 5: Right?
[6:40] Speaker 1: Wow, Audie, I'm gonna send the video to y'all.
[6:46] Speaker 14: DG got you support the police on the joy.
[6:59] Speaker 9: Rioy ball.
[7:07] Speaker 2: Now, my producer called the Wakisha Police Department Chief Daniel Thompson.
[7:11] Speaker 1: She was told he was in a meeting.
[7:13] Speaker 2: She left a contact information and the reason why she
[7:16] Speaker 2: was reaching out. She also contacted the mayor and every
[7:20] Speaker 2: city council member for comment on the incident, to ask
[7:24] Speaker 2: what led to such a response solely for the black teenager. Now,
[7:32] Speaker 2: they they did respond, and so give me one second.
[7:36] Speaker 2: I want to pull this up here, uh, to show
[7:38] Speaker 2: you what the response is. So give me one second.
[7:44] Speaker 2: This is this is from the mayor. Give me one second.
[7:49] Speaker 2: I want I'm going to uh yeah, Alicia Halvin's blend
[7:55] Speaker 2: is the mayor? Uh in what she So she responded
[7:59] Speaker 2: to give me one second. I want to take it out.
[8:02] Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it out of the take it out
[8:05] Speaker 2: of the email. So just give me a second.
[8:07] Speaker 1: Let me do this here. They just responded to us,
[8:12] Speaker 1: and so here we go.
[8:14] Speaker 2: Give me one almost there, folks. Okay, all right, paste
[8:23] Speaker 2: it this year.
[8:24] Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
[8:26] Speaker 2: So this is the statement from the mayor. The City
[8:30] Speaker 2: of Wakeisha Police Department is aware of edited videos circulating
[8:34] Speaker 2: on social media showing only a portion of an arrest
[8:37] Speaker 2: involving a juvenile that occurred near Summit Avenue and Horbe
[8:41] Speaker 2: Street Saturday, July eleventh, at four forty pm. Our officers
[8:45] Speaker 2: responded to multiple reports of disorderly behavior involving juveniles operating
[8:50] Speaker 2: many bikes on public street sidewalks in through public park property,
[8:55] Speaker 2: while other complaints included unsafe and disruptive conduct. Furthermore, juveniles
[9:00] Speaker 2: were removing gas nozzles and damaging the interior of a
[9:04] Speaker 2: gas station. This incident occurred in an area adjacent to
[9:08] Speaker 2: recreational facilities frequented by families and children, making public safety
[9:12] Speaker 2: our immediate priority. The videos being shared online do not
[9:16] Speaker 2: capture the totality of the incident or the circumstances officers
[9:20] Speaker 2: encountered before force became necessary. As officers attempted to investigate
[9:25] Speaker 2: and lawfully detain one of the juveniles, the individual repeatedly
[9:28] Speaker 2: refused lawful commands and actively resistant arrest. Throughout the encounter,
[9:33] Speaker 2: officers gave commands and attempted to gain voluntary compliance before
[9:37] Speaker 2: using force to overcome the resistance and safely take the
[9:41] Speaker 2: juvenile into custody.
[9:43] Speaker 1: The City of Wakisha expects its police.
[9:45] Speaker 2: Officers to perform their duties lawfully, professionally, ethically, and with
[9:49] Speaker 2: respect for every person they encounter. Those are the standards
[9:52] Speaker 2: our officers are trained to uphold, and those are the
[9:55] Speaker 2: standards by which we evaluate their actions. Just as importantly,
[9:59] Speaker 2: our community also expect individuals to comply with lawful orders
[10:02] Speaker 2: issued by police officers. Voluntary compliance is always our preferred outcome,
[10:07] Speaker 2: and it is how the overwhelmingly majority of police accounts
[10:10] Speaker 2: are resolved. However, when an individual actively resists lawful detention
[10:14] Speaker 2: or arrest, officers have both the legal authority and the
[10:17] Speaker 2: professional obligation to bring that resistance to an end. Choosing
[10:22] Speaker 2: not to act in those circumstances would compromise public safety,
[10:25] Speaker 2: diminish accountability, and fail the community's expectation that the law
[10:29] Speaker 2: be applied fairly and consistently. No police officer is expected
[10:33] Speaker 2: to simply walk away from unlawful conduct because of individual refusers
[10:37] Speaker 2: to comply allowing active resistance or assaultive behavior to dictate
[10:41] Speaker 2: whether an arrest occurs. Replaced officers, by standards and the
[10:45] Speaker 2: individual involve a greater risk while encouraging further lawless behavior.
[10:48] Speaker 2: Because this incident involves a juvenile, which constant law prohibits
[10:52] Speaker 2: the release of the juvenile's identity or confidential juvenile records.
[10:55] Speaker 2: While we cannot discuss proud juvenile matters, we can say
[10:58] Speaker 2: that officers' actions were based on the circumstances they faced
[11:02] Speaker 2: during this incident in their legal responsibility to protect the
[11:05] Speaker 2: public and enforce the law.
[11:06] Speaker 1: As with every reportable use.
[11:08] Speaker 2: Of force incident, the Department has conducted a comprehensive review
[11:11] Speaker 2: to ensure the officer's actions were consistent with department policy.
[11:15] Speaker 2: We remain committed to transparency, accountability, and maintaining the trust
[11:18] Speaker 2: of the community we serve. And again that you see
[11:21] Speaker 2: that's the mayor Alisha Having's Blend, mayor, City of Jakisha. Okay,
[11:26] Speaker 2: all right, so let's got my poal doc the Ustapha
[11:29] Speaker 2: Santiago Lee, former Citior Advisor for Environmental Justice at the EPA,
[11:32] Speaker 2: joining us from DC Raady Briant, entrepreneur author speaker from Washington, DC,
[11:37] Speaker 2: as well doctor Katrina Gamble CEO Soldier and Strategies out
[11:40] Speaker 2: of d C.
[11:41] Speaker 1: Let they have all three of you here. I'm gonna
[11:43] Speaker 1: start with you.
[11:45] Speaker 2: Mustafa. Here's the issue that the mayor didn't address. So
[11:50] Speaker 2: in her statement, she says, there were multiple reports of
[11:55] Speaker 2: this only behavior involving juveniles operating mini bikes on public streets,
[12:03] Speaker 2: sidewalks through public property.
[12:05] Speaker 1: They were removing.
[12:06] Speaker 2: Gas nozzles, they plural, Okay, So the question then becomes,
[12:12] Speaker 2: why was the black juvenile the only person accosted.
[12:19] Speaker 20: Well, I can't speak for the officer or the mayor,
[12:23] Speaker 20: but we do know that some of the bystanders also
[12:26] Speaker 20: said that there were white kids who were there as well.
[12:29] Speaker 20: The other thing is that nobody said that these were
[12:32] Speaker 20: the children because they are children who were involved in
[12:37] Speaker 20: whatever was going on the gas station or some of
[12:39] Speaker 20: the other things. We do know organizations like the Sentencing
[12:43] Speaker 20: Project have shared, based upon the statistics and the research
[12:46] Speaker 20: that they've been able to do, that black youth are
[12:49] Speaker 20: four times more likely to actually be detained or to
[12:53] Speaker 20: be arrested than white youth.
[12:55] Speaker 13: So that statistic is.
[12:56] Speaker 20: Really interesting just because based upon what the bystanders were
[13:00] Speaker 20: saying that there were both black kids and white kids,
[13:02] Speaker 20: and maybe there were other types.
[13:03] Speaker 13: Of kids who were there, but this is the.
[13:05] Speaker 20: Only individual who was unfortunately arrested. Some would say his
[13:13] Speaker 20: rights were violated, and a number of other types of
[13:16] Speaker 20: things you can see based upon the video there, some
[13:19] Speaker 20: folks can say he was brutalized. So officers are supposed
[13:24] Speaker 20: to serve and protect. They also have discretionary powers to
[13:29] Speaker 20: be able to just have a conversation with someone. They
[13:32] Speaker 20: don't have to put their hands on them. The other
[13:35] Speaker 20: thing that we know, as I close out, is the
[13:38] Speaker 20: fact that in many instances they don't see our children
[13:41] Speaker 20: as children, but they see them as adults. And even
[13:44] Speaker 20: if it was an adult, you still should not be
[13:47] Speaker 20: violating their civil rights or their human rights. But they dehumanize.
[13:52] Speaker 20: They don't give the benefit of the doubt. Often there's
[13:55] Speaker 20: no proof, so they figure that they can detain, they
[13:59] Speaker 20: can arrest, and then figure things out later on. And
[14:02] Speaker 20: that is not the paradigm that they operate from when
[14:05] Speaker 20: it comes to white kids.
[14:09] Speaker 2: Randy again, Okay, a mayor with officers wearing bodycams, if
[14:15] Speaker 2: so release the body cams. You can block out the
[14:18] Speaker 2: juvenile's face. So we don't actually see it. But if
[14:21] Speaker 2: you want us to believe that these two videos don't
[14:25] Speaker 2: show all that happened, okay, release the video dash cam, bodycam, right.
[14:32] Speaker 5: And you know they always hesitate to do that.
[14:34] Speaker 4: The chances of us ever seeing that video are small
[14:38] Speaker 4: unless we have to get you know, somewhat a lawyer involved.
[14:41] Speaker 4: And they take advantage of the fact that sometimes we
[14:43] Speaker 4: don't have the resources to hire an attorney and compel
[14:47] Speaker 4: them to release the evidence, and so they get away
[14:50] Speaker 4: with treating our kids less than human.
[14:54] Speaker 5: You know, it was it was so hard to watch.
[14:56] Speaker 4: I was a fourteen year old child and I counted
[14:59] Speaker 4: a police officers and they said, I think there were.
[15:03] Speaker 5: Six cars, five or six cars for a fourteen.
[15:05] Speaker 4: Year old child who was riding a bicycle, and that
[15:10] Speaker 4: that is the way our children are being treated because
[15:13] Speaker 4: they don't see him as a child.
[15:16] Speaker 5: They see him as an animal. I don't even think they.
[15:19] Speaker 4: See us as people, which is just extraordinarily disturbing. Also,
[15:25] Speaker 4: that whole idea of them trying to de escalate a situation.
[15:31] Speaker 5: It seems as if when they see us.
[15:33] Speaker 4: That automatically gives them cause to act as if they're
[15:38] Speaker 4: scared they can claim that they had to use aggressive
[15:42] Speaker 4: force because they're afraid just simply for us existing, simply
[15:47] Speaker 4: just for the color of our skin.
[15:48] Speaker 5: That's how they react and.
[15:50] Speaker 4: How they feel comfortable as I watch this repeatedly, how
[15:54] Speaker 4: they felt that this was right to do. All of
[15:56] Speaker 4: these officers surrounding one fourteen year old time out. It's
[16:01] Speaker 4: unbelievable to me. It just shows how they do not
[16:04] Speaker 4: see us again as.
[16:06] Speaker 2: Human Again, Katrina, for me, this is very basic, and
[16:10] Speaker 2: that is if you say that juveniles were engaged in
[16:15] Speaker 2: its behavior, why it was only one juvenile targeted? And
[16:20] Speaker 2: if there were cameras, release it, release it.
[16:24] Speaker 1: Look.
[16:25] Speaker 2: Look, I remember when I remember when the sister got
[16:27] Speaker 2: pulled over in Texas, and I mean I frankly felt
[16:30] Speaker 2: that she was being too extra. I felt that her
[16:34] Speaker 2: behavior and you know, people people disagree, But so I
[16:38] Speaker 2: don't always just sit here and say, oh no, every
[16:40] Speaker 2: black person absolutely right. If he was disobeying commands, if
[16:43] Speaker 2: he wasn't following what they were saying, fine, show us.
[16:50] Speaker 6: Right.
[16:50] Speaker 18: And two things on this Roland. One, to your point,
[16:55] Speaker 18: the reports were for juveniles plural, and they were obvious
[17:00] Speaker 18: only targeting one child that was there on the street,
[17:04] Speaker 18: and the mayor did not address that at all in
[17:08] Speaker 18: what they.
[17:09] Speaker 16: Sent to you. And two, to this point, this was.
[17:14] Speaker 18: A child riding a bicycle and you could even see
[17:18] Speaker 18: without them, right, they didn't pull up the video to
[17:20] Speaker 18: your point, if they have dash cams or cameras on
[17:24] Speaker 18: their body cams, they didn't show that information. But you
[17:28] Speaker 18: could see even in the statement that they sent you
[17:31] Speaker 18: that they were trying to twist a narrative, right that, oh,
[17:34] Speaker 18: this is how we respond to this to when people
[17:37] Speaker 18: resist or assaultive behavior. We all watched that video. There
[17:42] Speaker 18: was no assaultive behavior by that child. The only assault
[17:45] Speaker 18: that was going on were the police to this child.
[17:49] Speaker 16: And so it's not only.
[17:50] Speaker 18: About how they responded in that moment, it's also immediately
[17:55] Speaker 18: the narrative that gets starts getting twisted and painted to
[18:01] Speaker 18: paint a picture of who was in the wrong, who
[18:03] Speaker 18: is in the right, who deserves dignity In the moment
[18:07] Speaker 18: to what both of the other panelists said, they were
[18:09] Speaker 18: treating this child like he was not human and that
[18:11] Speaker 18: he had no rights.
[18:12] Speaker 16: And that's why it's.
[18:13] Speaker 18: So important for us to capture these moments ourselves, because
[18:18] Speaker 18: we can't trust what they're reporting. And we can't trust
[18:22] Speaker 18: that the full story will get told if we're not
[18:24] Speaker 18: telling it ourselves.
[18:26] Speaker 2: Well, I think back to one of the first cities
[18:33] Speaker 2: that got body cameras, and it was a city was
[18:37] Speaker 2: in California, and I'm looking for that city. And what
[18:41] Speaker 2: was interesting is that when they got the body cameras,
[18:45] Speaker 2: you had almost a seventy percent reduction in it was
[18:51] Speaker 2: rialto California right here, that's right, I remember this. So
[18:57] Speaker 2: twenty twelve rialto reported in eight reduction in complaints against
[19:03] Speaker 2: law enforcement officers. And so again our hope positions is here.
[19:10] Speaker 2: That's why you have body cameras. And so if if
[19:14] Speaker 2: the kid was wrong, okay, release it. But if you
[19:18] Speaker 2: haven't released it, it bex us to ask the question
[19:22] Speaker 2: why why? So, mayor let us know what that video
[19:28] Speaker 2: is available. We would love to air it and see
[19:30] Speaker 2: what happens. All right, folks, we come back. We're going
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[22:48] Speaker 2: One of the attorneys representing the farmers, David Moraskin, the
[22:51] Speaker 2: managing director of litigation at farm Stand join us now.
[22:54] Speaker 1: Glad to have both of you here.
[22:58] Speaker 2: David, I'll start with you from a from a legal standpoint.
[23:02] Speaker 2: The judge dismiss that nonsense.
[23:05] Speaker 22: For the Trump folks, Well, what it did was it
[23:09] Speaker 22: enjoined the terminations and put a preliminary injunction in place,
[23:16] Speaker 22: and we're.
[23:16] Speaker 6: Moving to permanent injunction.
[23:18] Speaker 23: Continue what they stood out to do, which was restore
[23:24] Speaker 23: sustainable farming across the country.
[23:28] Speaker 1: Uh.
[23:28] Speaker 2: And so, Sharon, obviously this is a win because Uh, Listen,
[23:35] Speaker 2: black farmers have been under attack.
[23:37] Speaker 20: Uh.
[23:37] Speaker 2: Not only the first time that this the first time
[23:39] Speaker 2: Trump was there the second time as well.
[23:41] Speaker 1: Uh.
[23:42] Speaker 2: And again this is just the latest example of them
[23:45] Speaker 2: just slapping DEI on anything.
[23:48] Speaker 24: Yeah, Roland, thank you for having David and myself here
[23:52] Speaker 24: both in Yes, make it make sense.
[23:55] Speaker 5: I think that's my biggest thing. Make it makes sense.
[23:57] Speaker 24: But we might not always like how the blessed come,
[24:00] Speaker 24: but it is a blessing to have the grants restored.
[24:03] Speaker 24: It will allow us to really focus and move forward
[24:06] Speaker 24: and help small scale farmers across the country. You know,
[24:10] Speaker 24: the twenty twenty Farmers co Op is really unique in
[24:12] Speaker 24: that we go from north, south, east, and west. We
[24:15] Speaker 24: go above the Mason Dixon line and west of the Mississippi.
[24:18] Speaker 24: So we're totally inclusive in our focus and our mission
[24:24] Speaker 24: in trying to assist small scale farmers be able to
[24:27] Speaker 24: scale up and compete in this agricultural industry.
[24:30] Speaker 5: We just don't buy into the go big or go home.
[24:34] Speaker 5: Farmers have been here for a long.
[24:35] Speaker 2: Time, David, Judge Baryl Howell rule that the planters would
[24:40] Speaker 2: likely succeed their legal claims and said they would suffer
[24:43] Speaker 2: irrepeare harm if the funding got canceled. You know, this
[24:48] Speaker 2: is for all those people who were whining and complaining
[24:51] Speaker 2: during the Biden Harris administration saying, oh, these federal judges
[24:54] Speaker 2: don't matter. Is a perfect example of they do.
[24:59] Speaker 23: Yeah, the law really matters here because what happened was
[25:03] Speaker 23: the Trump administration said simply because money was going to
[25:06] Speaker 23: help people of color, that meant that it was necessarily discriminatory.
[25:10] Speaker 6: And that's really a concern and ridiculous.
[25:13] Speaker 23: Right, if money is going to help people who need it,
[25:16] Speaker 23: as Congress intended.
[25:17] Speaker 6: The Trump administration can roll that back.
[25:19] Speaker 23: And that's what the that's what the court said here,
[25:22] Speaker 23: and that's what we've been trying to do and stand
[25:24] Speaker 23: with groups like twenty twenty Farmers co Op. But this
[25:27] Speaker 23: is more than just any specific legal issue. It's also
[25:30] Speaker 23: about making sure that there's a platform for farmers and
[25:33] Speaker 23: people who needed to get back to where they are
[25:36] Speaker 23: to compete in the market and have an alternative to
[25:38] Speaker 23: the major corporations.
[25:40] Speaker 6: Just like Sharon just said.
[25:42] Speaker 2: You know, Sharon, as I sit here and go through
[25:44] Speaker 2: this thirty seven page ruling, the thing that jumps out
[25:48] Speaker 2: is Trump is running around here Gallivanning talking about oh,
[25:51] Speaker 2: how he's helping farmers.
[25:53] Speaker 1: No, he's helping white farmers.
[25:56] Speaker 2: Their actions are putative against black and other minority farmers.
[26:02] Speaker 24: Okay, Roland, Roland, I'm gonna I'm gonna say it again.
[26:05] Speaker 5: Make it make sense.
[26:06] Speaker 24: But I think where we're at right now is we
[26:10] Speaker 24: have to understand that you can pick a color, whatever
[26:13] Speaker 24: color you want it to be. There's one commonality in
[26:16] Speaker 24: this whole issue, and that is farmers create food that
[26:21] Speaker 24: we eat every single day, and we need to stay
[26:24] Speaker 24: focused on that. We need to acknowledge that our food
[26:27] Speaker 24: system is very frail, and we need to understand that
[26:30] Speaker 24: small scale farmers across the board pick a color doesn't matter.
[26:34] Speaker 5: Small scale farmers.
[26:36] Speaker 24: Are here to be solutions to our farming crisis. And
[26:39] Speaker 24: if we don't accept that, we're only going to dig
[26:42] Speaker 24: ourselves further and further into a hole, and we're going
[26:45] Speaker 24: to see the price of things go up.
[26:47] Speaker 16: And we just need to be very focused.
[26:50] Speaker 24: And that's where the twenty twenty Farmers co Op really
[26:52] Speaker 24: wants to stay is center of this. We're gonna let
[26:55] Speaker 24: David and the legal types handle the legal aspect, but
[26:58] Speaker 24: we're trying to get our farmers geared up and say, okay,
[27:01] Speaker 24: let's dust ourselves off, refocus and move forward.
[27:05] Speaker 2: You know, one of the things I'm reading this David,
[27:09] Speaker 2: the judge writers defendants Overstate that received increased burden posed
[27:12] Speaker 2: by adding plaintiffs to the compilation and production of the
[27:15] Speaker 2: administrative record, giving that the new plaintiffs asserts the same
[27:18] Speaker 2: but a my IPEd asserts the same alleged pattern and
[27:21] Speaker 2: practice by defendants of the same grant program already at issue.
[27:25] Speaker 2: I mean, what was interesting was she's just going in
[27:28] Speaker 2: here and she is just eviscerating the Trump Department of
[27:32] Speaker 2: Justice or the USDA and just showing how just utterly
[27:37] Speaker 2: ridiculous their arguments are.
[27:40] Speaker 23: Well, one of the things we're trying to do in
[27:43] Speaker 23: this case is show that these terminations are not just
[27:46] Speaker 23: isolated instances, but they're part of a pattern by which
[27:50] Speaker 23: the Department of Agriculture is set out to terminate grants
[27:53] Speaker 23: that the administration thought it could label as objectionable. So
[27:57] Speaker 23: we have documents that suggest that what happened was the
[28:00] Speaker 23: Department of Agriculture search for things like DEI or underserved,
[28:06] Speaker 23: and if it got a hint, the grant would be terminated. Similarly,
[28:10] Speaker 23: if they grant had the terms in it like climate
[28:13] Speaker 23: or climate change or environmental justice, the grant would be terminated.
[28:19] Speaker 23: And that's what really the court's getting at is that
[28:22] Speaker 23: these groups are trying to operate and do the best
[28:26] Speaker 23: they can to provide services that Congress said everyone needs
[28:30] Speaker 23: and we as a society need to take back our
[28:32] Speaker 23: food system from corporate giants who control it and put
[28:36] Speaker 23: it in the hands of the people on the ground.
[28:38] Speaker 23: And what the Trump administration did is, rather than allowing
[28:41] Speaker 23: that to play out, they engaged in these culture wars
[28:45] Speaker 23: through hand handed efforts to label anything that they could
[28:48] Speaker 23: find to be objectionable, discriminatory, whatever label they thought could
[28:52] Speaker 23: capture the attention of their base.
[28:56] Speaker 2: I love is here, Sharon Judges says land Access prom
[29:00] Speaker 2: planets are likely to succeed on their claim if the
[29:02] Speaker 2: grant terminations were contrary to law. This Court has previously
[29:06] Speaker 2: recounted that the land Access program originated with Section ten
[29:10] Speaker 2: oh six of the American Rescue Plant Act, entitled USDA
[29:13] Speaker 2: Assistance and Support for Socially Disadvantaged Farmers, ranchers, forced land owners,
[29:18] Speaker 2: and operators and groups, which appropriated funds for supporting the
[29:22] Speaker 2: designated people or groups. The twenty twenty two Inflation Reduction
[29:26] Speaker 2: Act amended that section and appropriated funds for programs to
[29:30] Speaker 2: benefit underserve farmers, ranchers, or forest landowners, including veterans, limited
[29:35] Speaker 2: resource producers. Beginning farmers and ranchers and farmers, ranchers and
[29:39] Speaker 2: forced landowners living in high poverty areas, and to provide
[29:42] Speaker 2: financial assistance to farmers, ranchers or forest landowners determined to
[29:46] Speaker 2: have experienced discrimination prior to January first, twenty twenty one
[29:50] Speaker 2: in Department of Agriculture farm lending programs. As a result,
[29:56] Speaker 2: the statute employs the terms socially disadvantaged multiple times and
[30:01] Speaker 2: defines this term as meaning people who have been subjected
[30:04] Speaker 2: to racial or ethnic prejudice because of their identity as
[30:08] Speaker 2: members of a group, without regard to their individual qualities. Nevertheless,
[30:15] Speaker 2: defended still quote attempt to recast the statute as one
[30:19] Speaker 2: that contemplated aid to growers based purely on financial status,
[30:23] Speaker 2: a position previously.
[30:25] Speaker 1: Determined to have not to have to have been not credible.
[30:29] Speaker 2: So what jumps out here is here here was the
[30:33] Speaker 2: Biden folks being very explicit as to who can qualify,
[30:37] Speaker 2: and the Trump folks are like, oh, yeah, we're just
[30:39] Speaker 2: gonna just just wipe them out. No, we ain't helping
[30:42] Speaker 2: nobody black. Where they said, no, people who actually experience
[30:46] Speaker 2: racial discrimination in this program p.
[30:49] Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one.
[30:51] Speaker 24: Yeah, Roland, I think when you when you read that
[30:55] Speaker 24: I was thinking to myself, what is it that you
[30:57] Speaker 24: didn't understand? The language was very clear, and I think
[31:01] Speaker 24: the judge did a great job in articulating that.
[31:04] Speaker 5: But once again, I want.
[31:06] Speaker 24: To remain focused because this is larger than a specific
[31:10] Speaker 24: racial group. And yes, we all understand the tragedies the
[31:14] Speaker 24: atrocities that have been placed upon black farmers, but if
[31:18] Speaker 24: we go down this rabbit hole of letting somebody distract us,
[31:22] Speaker 24: and this is what I think this is is a distraction.
[31:25] Speaker 24: The blessing is well received. I am so glad that
[31:29] Speaker 24: these dollars have been restored. It will give us a
[31:33] Speaker 24: little bit of wind beneath our wings and we can
[31:36] Speaker 24: we hopefully flourish, not even hopefully we will flourish.
[31:40] Speaker 8: Just give us a little bit.
[31:41] Speaker 5: And let's show us the difference, because I.
[31:43] Speaker 24: Think we are powerful as a group of small scale farmers.
[31:47] Speaker 24: And if we're giving this opportunity to prove ourselves, I
[31:51] Speaker 24: know for a fact we can help local communities. Just
[31:54] Speaker 24: don't understand what the issue was, or I know who
[31:59] Speaker 24: doesn't want to go without eating?
[32:01] Speaker 2: Oh oh, I know exactly what the issue is, David.
[32:04] Speaker 2: This is administration that again has a war on black people.
[32:07] Speaker 2: They want to wipe out any particular issue program that
[32:12] Speaker 2: somehow benefits or actually provides equity to African Americans and others.
[32:20] Speaker 2: This is not just in USDA, It is across the board.
[32:23] Speaker 2: It is in every single governmental agency. And this is
[32:26] Speaker 2: why we have got to have lawyers who are attacking
[32:31] Speaker 2: these folks in court. You got to have folks in court,
[32:33] Speaker 2: You got to have folks in corporate You've got to
[32:35] Speaker 2: have folks on the grassroots, on the streets, in politics
[32:38] Speaker 2: as well.
[32:40] Speaker 1: Because this is a wholesale attack.
[32:43] Speaker 2: It is not just targeting black farmers in USDA, It
[32:47] Speaker 2: is targeting black people in every federal agency.
[32:50] Speaker 1: David final comment.
[32:53] Speaker 23: I think Sharon really said it well, this is more
[32:55] Speaker 23: than just about a USDA attack against a particular our group,
[33:01] Speaker 23: but it's about a government that's turned itself over to
[33:04] Speaker 23: corporate interest and not let us lead the groundwork to
[33:07] Speaker 23: have an alternative system. And that certainly is negatively impacting
[33:12] Speaker 23: black farmers, but it's negatively impacting lots of people too.
[33:15] Speaker 23: They Trump administration thought it could throw red meat by
[33:19] Speaker 23: attacking black farmers here and attacking groups that said they
[33:23] Speaker 23: were trying to support people on the ground who needed it.
[33:26] Speaker 23: But really what's going on is they're keeping us from
[33:29] Speaker 23: having a food system that is in corporate control.
[33:31] Speaker 6: And there's a lot of overlap in our.
[33:33] Speaker 23: History and in our present day between racial bias and
[33:36] Speaker 23: corporate control, and I think you're seeing that go hand
[33:39] Speaker 23: in hand here in terms of favoring corporate control and
[33:42] Speaker 23: having that be having racial bias be a tool for that.
[33:46] Speaker 2: All right, then, well, congratulations and keep up the fight.
[33:50] Speaker 2: David Moraskin as well as Sharon Mallory, thanks a lot.
[33:54] Speaker 24: Thank you, Daryle.
[33:56] Speaker 2: Listen, what we have to just understand here is that
[34:02] Speaker 2: you're gonna see more of this again. They are attacking everything.
[34:08] Speaker 2: We keep trying to explain to people why voting in
[34:12] Speaker 2: November is critically important. We keep walking people through and
[34:16] Speaker 2: connecting the dots. I know there are people out there
[34:19] Speaker 2: who are saying, Okay, you know what, none of this
[34:21] Speaker 2: stuff impacts me. I'm just living my life. I'm just
[34:24] Speaker 2: trying to survive. But the reality is, guess what, there
[34:28] Speaker 2: are black farmers who have families who are trying to
[34:31] Speaker 2: survive as well. And this goes beyond this is in
[34:35] Speaker 2: this area. We're gonna later show you this back and
[34:39] Speaker 2: forth with Congresswoman Summer Lea and Robert Robert F.
[34:43] Speaker 1: Kennedy Jr.
[34:44] Speaker 2: Deally talking about the issue of black maternal health and
[34:49] Speaker 2: what happens by not trying to trying to use word
[34:52] Speaker 2: black and Katrina we at you on talking about again
[34:57] Speaker 2: the survey data. I I just need people to understand
[35:01] Speaker 2: what's going on here, that black folks had better understand
[35:06] Speaker 2: that these people have unfettered political control for another two years.
[35:12] Speaker 2: The stuff that they're going to wipe out is going
[35:14] Speaker 2: to be enormous, and even if a Democrat wins in
[35:17] Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, it's going to take, to be perfectly honest,
[35:22] Speaker 2: a decade or two to restore the things that Donald
[35:26] Speaker 2: Trump and MAGA has destroyed in the last two years.
[35:32] Speaker 18: No, absolutely, it's definitely. I think people have already seen
[35:38] Speaker 18: the impacts of this administration. And the one thing when
[35:42] Speaker 18: I was reading about this particular story was the complete
[35:46] Speaker 18: erasure of history. There are so many instances in this
[35:50] Speaker 18: country where black farmers have had to sue the USDA
[35:55] Speaker 18: because of discrimination. So this idea that there's problem with
[36:02] Speaker 18: moving grants and resources to a population of farmers who
[36:06] Speaker 18: have for honestly decades and decades have been pushing back
[36:11] Speaker 18: against discrimination is ridiculous, honestly, and I agree with you Roland.
[36:18] Speaker 16: There is a lot of work for.
[36:20] Speaker 18: Us to make sure people understand the consequences of this
[36:25] Speaker 18: election and creating ways in which people can begin to
[36:30] Speaker 18: find ways to engage and understand, like what's their skin
[36:33] Speaker 18: in the game in this election. I think this is
[36:35] Speaker 18: one story, but there are many many other stories that
[36:37] Speaker 18: we can tell to make that.
[36:38] Speaker 1: Case moved off. Ah.
[36:40] Speaker 2: My dear friend Joe Mannison would always say, you got
[36:43] Speaker 2: to put it where a ghost can get it. And
[36:45] Speaker 2: this is an example of how we have to walk
[36:48] Speaker 2: people through and explain to them this this, this, this, this,
[36:53] Speaker 2: this this this, and all of a sudden when people
[36:56] Speaker 2: wake up and go oh damn waiting, hold up, they
[36:59] Speaker 2: change all that, Yes, they change all of that.
[37:04] Speaker 20: Yeah, it's the cumulative effects, right of this devilish administration,
[37:10] Speaker 20: and there's sets of actions that are going on. So
[37:13] Speaker 20: whether we're talking about black farmers, so for somebody to
[37:16] Speaker 20: say it has nothing to do with me, it says
[37:19] Speaker 20: something about that individual.
[37:21] Speaker 13: But because you said, you have to help to educate because.
[37:23] Speaker 20: Some folks might just not know. So you know, of course,
[37:26] Speaker 20: I come from. My grandfather was a black farmer. But
[37:30] Speaker 20: we know that there have been tens of billions to
[37:32] Speaker 20: hundreds of billions of dollars that were stripped away from
[37:35] Speaker 20: black farmers, which means it was stripped away from our community,
[37:37] Speaker 20: which means that it has impacted a generational wealth and
[37:41] Speaker 20: the ability to be able to give to organizations that
[37:46] Speaker 20: support our communities, to be able to make sure more
[37:49] Speaker 20: kids are going to colleges hopefully HBCUs. When you look
[37:53] Speaker 20: at this administration every day, people should understand that they
[37:58] Speaker 20: are literally shortening your life.
[38:00] Speaker 13: And they're shortening the sets of opportunities. If you look
[38:02] Speaker 13: at what's happened.
[38:03] Speaker 20: With the elimination of the environmental Justice program and programs
[38:08] Speaker 20: throughout the EPA system, that means that you are now
[38:11] Speaker 20: you know, you no longer have a voice and helping
[38:13] Speaker 20: to protect yourself from the air pollution and water pollution
[38:15] Speaker 20: and the other types of things. When we look at
[38:17] Speaker 20: black maternal health and women and black babies dying two
[38:20] Speaker 20: to three times at the rate of white women, you
[38:24] Speaker 20: should care about that because those are your aunties.
[38:27] Speaker 13: It might be your mom, it might be a whole
[38:28] Speaker 13: bunch of different types of folks.
[38:30] Speaker 20: When we look at what's been going on in relationship
[38:32] Speaker 20: to transportation and the things they've done there or over
[38:36] Speaker 20: at HUD making you know, health, making housing less affordable,
[38:40] Speaker 20: and that goes back to black wealth again. Every one
[38:43] Speaker 20: of their actions either has an impact on your health
[38:46] Speaker 20: or your wealth, and that is the lens that we
[38:49] Speaker 20: should be looking through as we continue to push to
[38:51] Speaker 20: make sure judges are in place who interpret the various
[38:56] Speaker 20: laws that are out there fairly and making sure also,
[39:00] Speaker 20: you know, our sets of experiences are being brought forward
[39:03] Speaker 20: because if.
[39:04] Speaker 13: We don't, these folks are not going to stop.
[39:06] Speaker 20: And that's why you got to get engaged in the
[39:08] Speaker 20: civic process, because you will turn around and literally have
[39:11] Speaker 20: no wealth in the black community.
[39:13] Speaker 13: You'll have more sickness and more death.
[39:16] Speaker 20: And if that doesn't motivate you, then I don't know
[39:18] Speaker 20: what will.
[39:20] Speaker 2: Absolutely again, they want to slap DEI on everything, Randy,
[39:26] Speaker 2: and it is just a flat out consistent attack on
[39:31] Speaker 2: all things black, right.
[39:34] Speaker 4: I mean, when they essentially got rid of DI, it
[39:37] Speaker 4: gave them permission to send us back.
[39:42] Speaker 5: Sixty years.
[39:43] Speaker 4: What d I was designed to do is really to
[39:46] Speaker 4: consider other people in our real history in this country
[39:49] Speaker 4: and not just black people, but.
[39:51] Speaker 5: Speaking of black people specifically, now.
[39:53] Speaker 4: When we're talking about farmers, for instance, you hear white
[39:57] Speaker 4: farmers talking about how proud they are because this land,
[40:02] Speaker 4: that farm has been in their family for generations, and
[40:07] Speaker 4: how they've worked for generations this farm, and that shows
[40:12] Speaker 4: their lack of just understanding because black people did not
[40:16] Speaker 4: have that opportunity. We were not able to work the
[40:19] Speaker 4: land for six generations because we were enslaved. And so
[40:23] Speaker 4: this is why you create DEI programs, because we are
[40:26] Speaker 4: not starting from the same place that they are.
[40:30] Speaker 5: But they try to suggest that DEI is to.
[40:33] Speaker 4: Help people who are less qualified, less talented, that we're
[40:38] Speaker 4: asking for a handout. All we're asking is for people
[40:41] Speaker 4: to look at the reality of this country, the history.
[40:46] Speaker 4: Although it may make some uncomfortable, it is real, and
[40:49] Speaker 4: to act accordingly. So, of course, if someone has had
[40:53] Speaker 4: the ability to work something now for you know, centuries,
[40:58] Speaker 4: a century, and we have it, we are going to
[41:00] Speaker 4: need some assistance to buy that first piece of property.
[41:04] Speaker 4: And that is what those land grants were there to do,
[41:07] Speaker 4: is provide us assistance to be able to compete fairly.
[41:12] Speaker 4: But this administration does not like fair whatsoever. They really
[41:17] Speaker 4: just want to cheat and get everyone out their way,
[41:20] Speaker 4: and they don't want people like us to have an opportunity.
[41:24] Speaker 2: So, folks, I mentioned what took place on the Capitol
[41:28] Speaker 2: Hill when Robert F. Kennedy Junior takes to vi before
[41:30] Speaker 2: a House committee, and man, he went at it with
[41:34] Speaker 2: Congresswoman simmer Leah Pennsylvania. And this is a perfect example
[41:38] Speaker 2: of what happens when they want to erase blackness from
[41:43] Speaker 2: public policy.
[41:46] Speaker 19: Bery Secretary Kennedy, I'm sure you're aware of that Black
[41:48] Speaker 19: women are at least three times more likely to die
[41:51] Speaker 19: from pregnancy related causes than white women. The vast majority
[41:55] Speaker 19: of those deaths are preventable. Black women in my district
[41:58] Speaker 19: are more likely to die during pregnancy then their peers
[42:01] Speaker 19: in ninety seven percent of US cities.
[42:03] Speaker 16: Your written testimony.
[42:04] Speaker 19: Mentions maternal and child health four times, but from what
[42:08] Speaker 19: I've seen, the NIH canceled grants researching black maternal health.
[42:14] Speaker 19: Your administration's fiscal year twenty seven budget proposes eliminating Healthy Start,
[42:19] Speaker 19: which is one of the federal government's primary community based
[42:22] Speaker 19: maternal health programs. And you've made it a priority of
[42:25] Speaker 19: HHS to end diversity, equity, and inclusion so yes or no.
[42:29] Speaker 19: My question for you is if a medical school, our
[42:31] Speaker 19: public health school, educates students about addressing the black maternal
[42:35] Speaker 19: mortality crisis, would you consider that an illegal dii DEI No, No,
[42:42] Speaker 19: you would not.
[42:43] Speaker 3: No.
[42:44] Speaker 5: Great.
[42:44] Speaker 19: I do hope for the medical schools, the universities, and
[42:48] Speaker 19: the accreditors. Your administration have been threatening that they're watching
[42:51] Speaker 19: this and take this directive to continue teaching about and
[42:56] Speaker 19: addressing the black mortality crisis, and I expect your agency
[42:59] Speaker 19: to restore and expand funding and.
[43:02] Speaker 1: Support for that work. Also, yes or no?
[43:05] Speaker 19: Do you think consuming more protein and avoiding talentol will
[43:07] Speaker 19: prevent black women from dying three times more likely during
[43:10] Speaker 19: the pregnancy.
[43:12] Speaker 3: I doubt it doesn't kills.
[43:18] Speaker 1: So then why are you putting forth?
[43:20] Speaker 19: Why aren't you putting for serious policies that actually address
[43:23] Speaker 19: the health crises crisises in this country instead of just
[43:26] Speaker 19: these unseerious conspiracy theories and this wellness influencer mess.
[43:32] Speaker 3: That we I'm gonna answer that question or ages talking.
[43:35] Speaker 16: Oh, it's a question.
[43:37] Speaker 3: You're doing more on maternal health than any other administration.
[43:40] Speaker 16: No, I said black maternal health.
[43:42] Speaker 3: On maternal health, black maternal health and includes blacks and whites.
[43:47] Speaker 19: But the thing is is that they're actually not the
[43:48] Speaker 19: same outcomes, which means that we need specific and intentional
[43:51] Speaker 19: interventions for black maternal health and black.
[43:55] Speaker 3: And are you going to answer that? Yeah, right now.
[44:01] Speaker 3: We've implemented a perinatal pilot project that we're in two
[44:07] Speaker 3: hundred and twenty hospitals around the country and we have
[44:11] Speaker 3: reduced maternal health mortalities by forty two of those hospitals
[44:15] Speaker 3: by providing them protocol.
[44:17] Speaker 19: Can you please share what the reduction has been for
[44:18] Speaker 19: black maternal.
[44:19] Speaker 3: Health across the board.
[44:20] Speaker 19: It's forty two, but black maternal health still has worse
[44:25] Speaker 19: outcomes than other people.
[44:27] Speaker 3: I wouldn't know. It helps everybody, but it isn't object
[44:30] Speaker 3: to that.
[44:30] Speaker 19: Okay, thank you, it is not. I do want to
[44:32] Speaker 19: just for the record state that it does not help everyone.
[44:36] Speaker 19: Your agency told programs to remove a list of nearly
[44:38] Speaker 19: two hundred words and phrases from their funding applications, including
[44:42] Speaker 19: the War Black. Do you have an idea of how
[44:45] Speaker 19: we could solve the black mottal mortality crisis?
[44:47] Speaker 1: If we can't say.
[44:48] Speaker 3: Black as a trumpstrunt and division in this country not
[44:52] Speaker 3: so fiction. During the last four years that's what I did.
[44:57] Speaker 3: It divided, well, it polarized people.
[45:00] Speaker 19: No, no, no, no, no, we're not talking about eviction. We're talking about
[45:02] Speaker 19: health calling about de I, We're talking about health care prosperities.
[45:07] Speaker 19: So what we're asking is is if you attack D
[45:09] Speaker 19: and I and then we have a crisis that impacts
[45:12] Speaker 19: one population over another, but you cannot direct specific spending
[45:17] Speaker 19: or research or interventions to that population, how do you
[45:22] Speaker 19: solve the problem?
[45:23] Speaker 3: Do you think the federal government should be paying for DEI?
[45:27] Speaker 19: I think the federal government has a vested interest in
[45:29] Speaker 19: ensuring that its citizens survived childbirth.
[45:32] Speaker 3: Well, we are meeting that obligation. You're not, Oh that
[45:37] Speaker 3: I can explain to you how we are you.
[45:39] Speaker 19: Have not done so so far. But also I would
[45:41] Speaker 19: say that you know, we can improve healthcare for everybody
[45:45] Speaker 19: at the same time as helping the people who are
[45:47] Speaker 19: most likely to die. That's what Dee and I. Well,
[45:51] Speaker 19: first of all, d and I make sure that we
[45:52] Speaker 19: have black doctors or women doctors, or that we're talking
[45:56] Speaker 19: about the fact that we have a mortality rate that
[46:00] Speaker 19: is not matched by any other country as what we
[46:03] Speaker 19: would call developed as our.
[46:07] Speaker 2: That right there explains it all. Randy first, the sheer
[46:10] Speaker 2: stupidity of Robert F.
[46:12] Speaker 1: Kennedy Jr.
[46:13] Speaker 2: And how their attacks on DEI is having a negative
[46:19] Speaker 2: impact on the black maternal outcomes of black women.
[46:26] Speaker 5: It's having a direct impact on us. It is well known,
[46:30] Speaker 5: and he knows the stats.
[46:32] Speaker 4: But he doesn't care about the stats that we are
[46:35] Speaker 4: three times more likely to die and death regardless of education,
[46:40] Speaker 4: no level, our socio economic level.
[46:42] Speaker 5: There is nothing we can do.
[46:44] Speaker 4: We have heard stars come out like Serena Williams and
[46:47] Speaker 4: talk about how they almost died and so there was
[46:51] Speaker 4: money set aside to solve that problem. Let's figure out
[46:55] Speaker 4: why black mothers are not surviving and also there's an
[47:00] Speaker 4: increase there's a higher chance of our children not living.
[47:04] Speaker 4: You would think that a country that cared about all
[47:07] Speaker 4: of its citizens would care about truths dealing with that
[47:11] Speaker 4: specific issue. And yet what they're trying to act like
[47:15] Speaker 4: is that they're dealing with maternal health.
[47:19] Speaker 5: By treating everybody the same.
[47:22] Speaker 4: Because when they got rid of DEI, what the Supreme
[47:25] Speaker 4: Court essentially said is that the United States has been
[47:29] Speaker 4: and continues.
[47:30] Speaker 5: To be color blind. Now you're not going to find
[47:33] Speaker 5: one person of color, none of us black.
[47:36] Speaker 4: Folks, but ever agree to that, but that makes them
[47:40] Speaker 4: feel better. It's so interesting to me that he said
[47:44] Speaker 4: that DEI is what tore us apart, not not not
[47:48] Speaker 4: all of the not the Jim Crow laws, not all
[47:52] Speaker 4: the discrimination that goes on, the bad practices they did,
[47:55] Speaker 4: but the actual solution that DEI, because then it was
[47:59] Speaker 4: at least we at least we're talking about it and
[48:01] Speaker 4: trying to find solutions.
[48:03] Speaker 5: That is what divided us.
[48:04] Speaker 4: See, these people don't like to feel uncomfortable with the
[48:08] Speaker 4: truth of America, and if you challenge them in any way,
[48:12] Speaker 4: that's when they become upset.
[48:13] Speaker 5: They don't care about our real problems, and they.
[48:15] Speaker 4: Don't frankly care about the fact that we die at
[48:19] Speaker 4: such a higher rate by simply just having children.
[48:22] Speaker 2: Well, Katrina is also because they deny that systemic racism exists.
[48:26] Speaker 2: So therefore their whole deal is, well, we don't we
[48:28] Speaker 2: should do anything specific for y'all. Is she's saying, wait
[48:32] Speaker 2: a minute, three and that died three and a half
[48:34] Speaker 2: times more than white women that say, hey, way, by
[48:37] Speaker 2: hold up, let's throw the services there. It reminded me
[48:40] Speaker 2: of you know, when when you know all the you
[48:43] Speaker 2: know a lot of the AIDS money kept going to
[48:45] Speaker 2: largely white male gay organizations, and it was like, you
[48:48] Speaker 2: do know that the face of HIVAS had changed, and
[48:53] Speaker 2: they wouldn't change the funding, and you should be targeting
[48:56] Speaker 2: the problem. They don't want to do it because that
[48:59] Speaker 2: means you have to acknowledge that race plays a role
[49:02] Speaker 2: in this.
[49:05] Speaker 16: Exactly.
[49:05] Speaker 18: And that's what I was talking about before earlier when
[49:07] Speaker 18: we were having this discussion about this erasure of history.
[49:11] Speaker 18: This is a country where systemic racism is built into
[49:17] Speaker 18: the fabric of how this country was built. And so
[49:20] Speaker 18: for us to try to deny the impact of that
[49:23] Speaker 18: is ridiculous.
[49:25] Speaker 16: And to your.
[49:26] Speaker 18: Point about on the mortality rate, when she was citing
[49:30] Speaker 18: the statistics, it was like he was totally ignoring it.
[49:34] Speaker 18: The data shows that we are disproportionately impact, that there's
[49:37] Speaker 18: disparities for black women giving birth, and even they are
[49:42] Speaker 18: trying to eliminate any conversation of race in the discussion
[49:46] Speaker 18: of the history of this country and the implications on
[49:49] Speaker 18: any number of policies. I mean, we saw it even
[49:52] Speaker 18: in the Calai decision that came down in April. Right, Oh,
[49:57] Speaker 18: there's no difference across race in terms of people's ability
[50:01] Speaker 18: to exercise their vote power. We've been seeing this coming
[50:04] Speaker 18: and they're hitting every single institution, from things that impact
[50:09] Speaker 18: our health, from things that impact our political power, to
[50:12] Speaker 18: things that impact our pocketbooks. It is like a consistent,
[50:17] Speaker 18: concerted assault on Black people. And the way that they're
[50:20] Speaker 18: doing it is to say, oh, race doesn't matter, a
[50:23] Speaker 18: rising tide lifts all boats. Well, if my boat has
[50:25] Speaker 18: a hole in it, no, a rising tide doesn't lift
[50:28] Speaker 18: all boats, And so that's not a measure of the
[50:30] Speaker 18: impact on if we're actually solving the problem for the black.
[50:33] Speaker 1: Community mustava.
[50:37] Speaker 13: Well, you got to remember, this is the party of
[50:39] Speaker 13: family values.
[50:40] Speaker 20: This is the party that's always talking about keeping babies alive.
[50:45] Speaker 13: This is the party, of course that's.
[50:46] Speaker 20: Against women being able to choose about their own health
[50:49] Speaker 20: care and how they want that to play out in
[50:53] Speaker 20: their lives. So, you know, they get nervous when you
[50:57] Speaker 20: talk about disparities, when you talk about disproportionate impacts, because
[51:02] Speaker 20: that then puts a spotlight on who's being disproportionately impacted,
[51:07] Speaker 20: how are disparities actually playing out in this context, who's
[51:11] Speaker 20: dying and who's living, who's receiving the resources that are
[51:15] Speaker 20: necessary to be able to live and who have the
[51:18] Speaker 20: programs that are being cut that are helping black women
[51:22] Speaker 20: to actually be able to live. So we just got
[51:25] Speaker 20: to make sure that we put this in the proper
[51:27] Speaker 20: context that when they say they are a Party of
[51:30] Speaker 20: Family Values, we know exactly who they're talking about. They're
[51:33] Speaker 20: not talking about black families, they're not talking about black women,
[51:36] Speaker 20: they're not talking about.
[51:37] Speaker 13: Black babies, because if they.
[51:39] Speaker 20: Were, they would make sure that they did what was
[51:42] Speaker 20: necessary to keep those folks alive.
[51:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, goes to show you they don't. They're not pro life,
[51:49] Speaker 2: the pro white life. All Right, folks got to go
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[54:35] Speaker 2: Professional mack hawkus is firing back at a wide progressive
[54:39] Speaker 2: in Michigan who made some comments in twenty twenty four
[54:42] Speaker 2: William Lawrence, first of the Huffing the Post drop this
[54:46] Speaker 2: article about William Lawrence in twenty twenty four comments. You
[54:48] Speaker 2: may on this podcast Hedgemacon, which featured conversations about social
[54:53] Speaker 2: movements and politics. During the conversation, he said, black US
[54:56] Speaker 2: political leaders are a pillar of the capitalist, imperialist and establishment.
[55:01] Speaker 2: Who's backing for democratic leadership defames the white left.
[55:04] Speaker 26: Listen, if you have concluded that there is a problem
[55:08] Speaker 26: with racist policing in the US, then you we implore
[55:12] Speaker 26: you to consider that those police departments they see a
[55:18] Speaker 26: connection with the Israeli project, and so we think you
[55:22] Speaker 26: should too. And we think that you should also see
[55:24] Speaker 26: a connection with and identify with, you know, the policy
[55:27] Speaker 26: and freedom struggle. The other piece, the last thing I'll
[55:30] Speaker 26: say about the dis response your question that that is
[55:33] Speaker 26: like this interesting factor and it.
[55:36] Speaker 12: Is related to.
[55:39] Speaker 26: The question of the moral authority of kind of the
[55:43] Speaker 26: black freedom struggle, is that it's very clear that Biden's
[55:48] Speaker 26: re election campaign the orientation is the black vote. I mean,
[55:53] Speaker 26: there's a kind of calculation that I think they've made
[55:57] Speaker 26: from the start, but that's clearer at the It's clearer
[55:59] Speaker 26: than ever they're like, I don't know, we've probably lost
[56:03] Speaker 26: you know the quote the so called Arab vote and
[56:06] Speaker 26: the Muslim vote.
[56:07] Speaker 12: You know, I hate the way they talk about.
[56:08] Speaker 26: These kind of reductionist demographic categories, but maybe we can
[56:13] Speaker 26: get the black vote. And so the fact that Biden
[56:17] Speaker 26: gave his commencement, gave this commencement address at Morehouse College,
[56:20] Speaker 26: which was pretty painful to watch as a black person,
[56:25] Speaker 26: as it was a black leftist. Really, the Moorhouse administration,
[56:30] Speaker 26: so in such a crass way, kind of lend its platform.
[56:36] Speaker 12: To Biden in a way that was so it's just
[56:40] Speaker 12: so cynical.
[56:41] Speaker 26: The move by the Biden administration is so it's so
[56:44] Speaker 26: cynical to say, we know that the majority of Americans
[56:49] Speaker 26: want to cease fire. We know that young people in
[56:51] Speaker 26: particular are absolutely appalled by US support for Israel.
[56:55] Speaker 12: But this place, which is kind of the crown jewel
[56:59] Speaker 12: of history.
[57:00] Speaker 26: Black colleges, the fact that Biden can give this commencement
[57:03] Speaker 26: address is a gesture toward the notion that this is
[57:06] Speaker 26: a progressive administration. And so that is something for us
[57:09] Speaker 26: to grapple with, actually, like recognizing that it's not just
[57:13] Speaker 26: that we we recognize the significance of the kind of
[57:17] Speaker 26: political and moral if you will, significance or the political
[57:22] Speaker 26: significance of the moral authority, you know, incredibility of the
[57:24] Speaker 26: black freedom struggle, Espcially that we recognize that. It's like
[57:27] Speaker 26: Power recognizes that, Biden recognizes that, the White House recognizes that,
[57:32] Speaker 26: and therefore that is a contested space that we need
[57:35] Speaker 26: to show up to.
[57:37] Speaker 25: I mean, how do you feel, what do you think
[57:39] Speaker 25: is the trajectory as a millennial black leftist. It's not
[57:45] Speaker 25: something I can talk too much about because I'm white,
[57:49] Speaker 25: and it's it's not it's not my struggle. That being said,
[57:52] Speaker 25: like the extent to which the older generation of black
[57:56] Speaker 25: political leadership are such of a pillar frankly for establishment, capitalist,
[58:04] Speaker 25: imperialist American power through their role, you know, as this
[58:12] Speaker 25: kind of traditionalist, establishmentist pillar of the Democratic Party, it's
[58:18] Speaker 25: a big problem. It's a big problem for left politics
[58:20] Speaker 25: in this country, and it gets us every single time,
[58:26] Speaker 25: and it really defangs the white left, uh puts and
[58:33] Speaker 25: puts us in you know, impossible positions. Really it's very
[58:37] Speaker 25: effective politically, and so I don't know, I'm curious. But
[58:42] Speaker 25: we're also seeing, you know now that unfortunately I don't
[58:46] Speaker 25: want anyone to vote for Trump, but like young black
[58:48] Speaker 25: people are are are falling away from the Democratic Party
[58:51] Speaker 25: and the support is not showing up in the same way.
[58:53] Speaker 25: We'll see what happens in November.
[58:57] Speaker 1: Okay, so laws Gia.
[58:58] Speaker 2: This statement the Hub post tremendous respect for black community
[59:01] Speaker 2: leaders who have been at the forefront of the fight
[59:03] Speaker 2: for freedom for centuries. This was in the context of
[59:06] Speaker 2: a wide ranging conversation with a guest on the show
[59:09] Speaker 2: about the racial dynamics and progressive politics. I regret how
[59:12] Speaker 2: this specific point was expressed. Now for Congression of Black Caucus,
[59:16] Speaker 2: Publical Action Committee, they weighed in and they were not
[59:22] Speaker 2: at all happy with what he had to say, blasting
[59:26] Speaker 2: his decision. We tried to get the chair of the
[59:30] Speaker 2: Congressional Black Caucus on the show, Evett Clark, but she
[59:35] Speaker 2: was on.
[59:36] Speaker 1: She was on available. Now.
[59:41] Speaker 2: We also, of course showed the news conference yesterday.
[59:48] Speaker 1: Where where con haking.
[59:52] Speaker 2: Jefferies said he had not had a conversation, but he
[59:54] Speaker 2: did say those comments were brought to my attention and
[59:56] Speaker 2: they are deeply disturbing. On the CBC pack said this
[1:00:02] Speaker 2: is what they also tweeted, anyone supporting will You Lawrence
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: should denounce his hateful remarks and withdraw their support. Michigan
[1:00:08] Speaker 2: is deserve better. It's about panel now. So first of all,
[1:00:13] Speaker 2: William Lawrence is going to be on Friday show. I
[1:00:16] Speaker 2: look forward to the conversation. What immediately jumps out at
[1:00:22] Speaker 2: me and Mustafa. First of all, I understand that he
[1:00:25] Speaker 2: was having a conversation with someone else. And this is
[1:00:29] Speaker 2: the point that I made when it came to Democratic
[1:00:33] Speaker 2: Socialist winning in New York City, winning mayor in DC,
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: winning a race.
[1:00:40] Speaker 1: In Colorado, and.
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: When he makes the point about defanging the white left
[1:00:50] Speaker 2: and then saying that oh Biden wasn't progressive.
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: Okay, it now begins.
[1:00:57] Speaker 2: To cause you to then go, all right, do you
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: want to make a progressive argument or do you want
[1:01:05] Speaker 2: to win?
[1:01:07] Speaker 1: Now?
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: I know for a lot of people they go and
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: it's like, look, I understand even if you talk about gods.
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen this back and forth where folks
[1:01:19] Speaker 2: have said, well, you know, Miriam Edelson has been supporting
[1:01:23] Speaker 2: James tell Rico, so therefore you shouldn't vote for tel Rico.
[1:01:26] Speaker 1: I'm from Texas. If you not from.
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: Texas, please shut the hell up, because the option is
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: ken Paxton. And see, this, to me is where white
[1:01:37] Speaker 2: progresses lose the argument, And the argument is do you
[1:01:43] Speaker 2: want to win? If you don't win, you have no
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: power if you don't win. You can't actually put in
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: any agenda. If you don't win, you then are left
[1:01:58] Speaker 2: with a right agenda like Donald Trump and Maga. I
[1:02:03] Speaker 2: go back to twenty sixteen, a bunch of white progressives
[1:02:07] Speaker 2: felt that Hillary Clinton was to center right, or her
[1:02:12] Speaker 2: she was a warhawk and all of that. And guess
[1:02:15] Speaker 2: what Trump wins and he got to a point three
[1:02:20] Speaker 2: Supreme Court justices. I wonder what they then say about
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: the attacks on her, And that, to me is the
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: problem that I have with progressive left not understanding that
[1:02:35] Speaker 2: all of America does not look and vote the same
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: based upon where you're located.
[1:02:43] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:02:44] Speaker 20: Well, I put it under the framing of the audacity
[1:02:47] Speaker 20: of Caucasity, and that means that it can be Democrats
[1:02:50] Speaker 20: or Independents or Republicans who often don't fully understand when
[1:02:56] Speaker 20: you're talking about black folks. One, we're not monolithic, but
[1:02:59] Speaker 20: we do focus upon the issues that not only impact
[1:03:03] Speaker 20: our communities, but because of all the struggles and wins
[1:03:08] Speaker 20: that we have been able to help make happen, that
[1:03:11] Speaker 20: they often benefit many others as well inside of our country.
[1:03:16] Speaker 13: And they lose.
[1:03:17] Speaker 20: That point, right, because you know, we are progressive. If
[1:03:21] Speaker 20: you want to label that way on some issues, and
[1:03:23] Speaker 20: on other issues, we're a bit more moderate, sometimes even
[1:03:26] Speaker 20: more conservative on financial related issues, and they sometimes want
[1:03:32] Speaker 20: to just make it seem like that we are out
[1:03:37] Speaker 20: here in center field by ourselves, instead of understanding that
[1:03:41] Speaker 20: we think critically about all the issues that impact our communities.
[1:03:47] Speaker 20: So that's why I'm never really surprised, and I work
[1:03:50] Speaker 20: with all kinds of folks, but I'm never surprised when
[1:03:53] Speaker 20: people pull off the veneer of who they truly are
[1:03:57] Speaker 20: and what they truly believe.
[1:04:00] Speaker 1: Randy when he.
[1:04:02] Speaker 2: Is a perfect example, this perfect example, and I've ben
[1:04:06] Speaker 2: I wish I could pull it up. So when I
[1:04:08] Speaker 2: interviewed Yank Yug, you know what he told me, He said,
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: rolling this he's I think this was in twenty twenty three.
[1:04:22] Speaker 1: It was for his book. He said, rolling.
[1:04:26] Speaker 2: The best example of the right progressive in Congress is
[1:04:35] Speaker 2: Senator John Fetterman, straight up, straight up, y'all find that clip.
[1:04:43] Speaker 1: Find that clip. He literally said that, And I was like,
[1:04:47] Speaker 1: and he was going on and on and on.
[1:04:50] Speaker 27: About how if we want to change this country, we
[1:04:54] Speaker 27: got to have more progressives like John Fetterman, and I okay,
[1:05:00] Speaker 27: taking your argument, that's one.
[1:05:05] Speaker 2: How do you get to two eighteen in the House,
[1:05:09] Speaker 2: how do you get to fifty one votes or sixty
[1:05:13] Speaker 2: votes in the Senate? And now we know, of course
[1:05:16] Speaker 2: exactly how John Fetterman or who John Fittman really is.
[1:05:21] Speaker 2: And this right here is what I will consistently say
[1:05:25] Speaker 2: is the problem with this idea, this notion of progressives
[1:05:31] Speaker 2: that when you look at the country, when you talk
[1:05:36] Speaker 2: about congressional races, congressional races are about that district of
[1:05:42] Speaker 2: seven hundred to eight hundred.
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: And fifty thousand people.
[1:05:47] Speaker 2: So you might be a far left progressive or progressive Democrat,
[1:05:56] Speaker 2: but the district of Sanford Bishop in Georgia, it's not
[1:06:01] Speaker 2: the same as AOC in New York. What Sandford Bishop
[1:06:06] Speaker 2: is a Democrat in Georgia. And you need, said, for
[1:06:11] Speaker 2: Bishop to win in order for you to get to
[1:06:14] Speaker 2: two eighteen so you can control the House.
[1:06:21] Speaker 4: Right exactly right, I mean I find particular one.
[1:06:26] Speaker 5: Let me say this, I really don't like.
[1:06:28] Speaker 4: I love the way he started his response, Whereas I
[1:06:30] Speaker 4: can't speak on it because I'm a white man, and
[1:06:33] Speaker 4: I wish he had kind of left it there. I'm
[1:06:35] Speaker 4: always somewhat uncomfortable when white people speak on black issues
[1:06:40] Speaker 4: and what we're doing because they can't possibly get it
[1:06:43] Speaker 4: any more than I could speak intelligently about something with
[1:06:47] Speaker 4: a man, or how a man is feeling about something.
[1:06:49] Speaker 5: It's just not possible.
[1:06:50] Speaker 4: So to me, it takes a bit of arrogance to
[1:06:53] Speaker 4: think that you know better about something that you have
[1:06:55] Speaker 4: no experience in. Second, you know, I find that progressives
[1:07:01] Speaker 4: are passionate about issues, and I do think they're worthy
[1:07:05] Speaker 4: of listening to because it doesn't matter when it comes
[1:07:08] Speaker 4: to voting. But I don't think sometimes they understand that
[1:07:12] Speaker 4: one there's a two party system and like you said,
[1:07:15] Speaker 4: you are trying to win. You're trying to win, so
[1:07:17] Speaker 4: you have to be somewhat moderate because you're trying to
[1:07:22] Speaker 4: satisfy a whole constituency of people, and that disappoints people
[1:07:28] Speaker 4: who are typically I find them to be one single
[1:07:32] Speaker 4: issue voters or maybe two issues, and they think that
[1:07:35] Speaker 4: that issue should run everything and everyone is going to
[1:07:39] Speaker 4: vote the same way because they're just as passionate about
[1:07:42] Speaker 4: the issue as you are, or at least should be.
[1:07:45] Speaker 4: And that's not the reality, because like you said, it
[1:07:47] Speaker 4: all comes back to winning.
[1:07:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just Katrina is a perfect example
[1:07:57] Speaker 2: in early twenty twenty four, the Trump campaign were running
[1:08:04] Speaker 2: the packs. They were running commercials on black radio stations
[1:08:09] Speaker 2: and they were talking about transgender athletes. And I remember
[1:08:17] Speaker 2: listening to the commercial and I remember sending a text
[1:08:22] Speaker 2: message to folks in the Biden campaign and I said,
[1:08:29] Speaker 2: are y'all paying attention to this? And they were like, oh, yeah,
[1:08:34] Speaker 2: that's not having any impact. And it was a trial run,
[1:08:39] Speaker 2: because what then happened was they started dropping the television
[1:08:44] Speaker 2: ads in every football game, basketball game. I remember, I
[1:08:52] Speaker 2: swear I was in a red state. I don't know
[1:08:56] Speaker 2: where I was. We were covering stuff, and I remember
[1:08:59] Speaker 2: I was watching a game Katrina. I swear I saw
[1:09:02] Speaker 2: that commercial eight times. I swear the one that included
[1:09:07] Speaker 2: that include was Charlemagne and DJ Envy Kamala Harris's comments
[1:09:12] Speaker 2: about surgery for a transgender prisoner.
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: And I knew, and I knew what I was hearing.
[1:09:19] Speaker 2: I knew that the issue of transgender athletes was not
[1:09:24] Speaker 2: going well with a lot of black men.
[1:09:29] Speaker 1: I also knew that.
[1:09:31] Speaker 2: The issue of abortion reproductive rights for a large part
[1:09:37] Speaker 2: of the Black community problematic. Now, if you are a
[1:09:43] Speaker 2: hardcore progressive, you have to understand and this is that
[1:09:49] Speaker 2: as black people, because those issues play differently when you're
[1:09:53] Speaker 2: talking about Latino voters, especially those who are Catholic. So
[1:09:59] Speaker 2: the point is is, how do you put together a
[1:10:04] Speaker 2: coalition that includes different people, because again, the object is
[1:10:11] Speaker 2: to win.
[1:10:13] Speaker 1: You can have these absolutely progressive.
[1:10:17] Speaker 2: Candidates in one part of the country, and if you
[1:10:20] Speaker 2: think folks can run like that in other parts of the.
[1:10:24] Speaker 1: Country, you're nuts and you're not gonna win.
[1:10:27] Speaker 2: Connor Lamb could not run like that for Congress where
[1:10:32] Speaker 2: it was in Pennsylvania because outside of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh,
[1:10:36] Speaker 2: Pennsylvania's Alabama. People don't even realize outside of Flint, Detroit, Pontiac,
[1:10:46] Speaker 2: it's a lot of red in Michigan.
[1:10:49] Speaker 1: And so this is what progressives are going to have
[1:10:52] Speaker 1: to understand.
[1:10:54] Speaker 2: Everybody cannot run as a far left progressive if you
[1:10:59] Speaker 2: actually want to have a majority in the House and
[1:11:03] Speaker 2: in the Senate or even win the White House.
[1:11:09] Speaker 5: Right.
[1:11:09] Speaker 18: I think for me, this idea of I mean to
[1:11:13] Speaker 18: this idea of like the goal is to just win.
[1:11:18] Speaker 18: I mean, I think that that's like only the first step, right,
[1:11:22] Speaker 18: because there's like a myriad of examples of where people
[1:11:27] Speaker 18: where folks like a particular party has won and the
[1:11:30] Speaker 18: lives of people.
[1:11:31] Speaker 16: Has not changed at all. So to some degree, I think.
[1:11:36] Speaker 18: I just want to push back on it that likes
[1:11:38] Speaker 18: it's like either do you want to be progressive or
[1:11:40] Speaker 18: do you want to win? Like I don't think it's
[1:11:42] Speaker 18: like a either or like there is like the larger
[1:11:45] Speaker 18: math of like how do you gain congressional power? But
[1:11:48] Speaker 18: I do think that there is a role to push
[1:11:53] Speaker 18: on this push a bit on like what is what
[1:11:56] Speaker 18: once people once we win? Like what actually what happens?
[1:11:59] Speaker 1: Absolutely?
[1:12:00] Speaker 18: I mean you you you brought it up at the
[1:12:02] Speaker 18: beginning with like with with with with Fetterman for for
[1:12:05] Speaker 18: whatever the point is, it's like having like a majority
[1:12:09] Speaker 18: of Democrats doesn't mean that things are actually going to
[1:12:11] Speaker 18: deliver things for our people.
[1:12:13] Speaker 2: Parston Cinema, Kirsten Kirston Cinema, Kirston Cinema, Joe Manchin in Virginia.
[1:12:20] Speaker 1: Right, And that's and so in which which what what what?
[1:12:23] Speaker 2: What I recognize politically is that when you actually look
[1:12:26] Speaker 2: at the Democrats compared to the Republicans, the I've said
[1:12:31] Speaker 2: this for the longest.
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: Republicans, you're either right or far right. That's it.
[1:12:37] Speaker 2: There's no such thing as a moderate Republican, it doesn't
[1:12:41] Speaker 2: exist the Democratic Party. You've actually got center right, center left,
[1:12:48] Speaker 2: you've got progressive, you've got far progressive. You actually have
[1:12:54] Speaker 2: a much larger tent. Democrats have to piece together. They
[1:12:59] Speaker 2: got a piece to together a broad coalition to get
[1:13:03] Speaker 2: the two eighteen they do in the House and fifty
[1:13:07] Speaker 2: one in the Senate. It's not the same as it
[1:13:10] Speaker 2: on the right, and politically, you have to actually deal
[1:13:15] Speaker 2: with that reality. And so the question then becomes, all right,
[1:13:22] Speaker 2: what are the policies you're pushing when you win, when
[1:13:25] Speaker 2: you get power, what are you actually changing? And again
[1:13:29] Speaker 2: when I hear people say the Biden administration wasn't progressive,
[1:13:35] Speaker 2: then I go compare to what? And that is an
[1:13:41] Speaker 2: issue that you have to deal with because I remember
[1:13:46] Speaker 2: people like, yo, he ain't go hard enough on student loans,
[1:13:49] Speaker 2: and I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
[1:13:52] Speaker 1: Did you're not? It was your Supreme Court? And so
[1:13:57] Speaker 1: this is this.
[1:13:58] Speaker 2: Tension because I then even ask the question, Katrina, when
[1:14:02] Speaker 2: somebody tells me this is a real progressive I then go, Okay,
[1:14:06] Speaker 2: what does that actually mean?
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: What does it actually mean? Right? And I want people
[1:14:12] Speaker 1: to to find that, Yeah, I mean, I.
[1:14:16] Speaker 18: I agree with you to this to this point that, right,
[1:14:19] Speaker 18: like the Democratic Party is like much more diverse ideologically,
[1:14:22] Speaker 18: and so I think that was the point that I
[1:14:24] Speaker 18: was making, is do we want to get like do.
[1:14:27] Speaker 16: You want to you want to win a majority in Congress?
[1:14:30] Speaker 18: Yes, but there is like a value in having a
[1:14:33] Speaker 18: diversity of people in there, some with progressive voices that
[1:14:36] Speaker 18: is going to push class just like very moderate policies
[1:14:40] Speaker 18: that in some in some instances like aren't creating like
[1:14:43] Speaker 18: significant change for our communities. It was it's like to
[1:14:46] Speaker 18: the point of like why sometimes people feel cynical, And
[1:14:49] Speaker 18: so I do think that there is value, but to
[1:14:51] Speaker 18: your point, it's like where do where the opportunities, like
[1:14:54] Speaker 18: where there's like viability to like have more progressive elected
[1:14:58] Speaker 18: officials in office, to like make what that chamber looks
[1:15:01] Speaker 18: like more diverse. And to some degree when when we
[1:15:04] Speaker 18: were listening to the original clip, the other thing that
[1:15:07] Speaker 18: I was thinking about was even in the course of
[1:15:10] Speaker 18: this conversation, like black people are not all the same, no, right,
[1:15:13] Speaker 18: Like we're saying, like black people feel this way about abortion,
[1:15:16] Speaker 18: black people feel this way about this issue. We are
[1:15:19] Speaker 18: diverse within ourselves, right, like we have ideological diversity, we
[1:15:24] Speaker 18: have agency, and in some cases us not falling into
[1:15:28] Speaker 18: that narrative that like black voters are going to do
[1:15:31] Speaker 18: some predictive thing. It gives us power because that demands
[1:15:35] Speaker 18: of the people who are running for office, the people
[1:15:37] Speaker 18: who are already in office.
[1:15:39] Speaker 16: They have to convince us of why they deserve our vote.
[1:15:44] Speaker 18: And so I do think this idea of like kind
[1:15:47] Speaker 18: of talking about black people as a monolith, both in
[1:15:50] Speaker 18: terms of how he was talking about black leaders and
[1:15:54] Speaker 18: also about how we talk about black voters, it actually
[1:15:57] Speaker 18: diminishes our power in this democratic proput and so so
[1:16:01] Speaker 18: I think anyway, that is the one.
[1:16:03] Speaker 16: Other additional point that I wanted to make in this cover.
[1:16:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is a it is a it
[1:16:08] Speaker 2: is a worthwhile discussion, Mustafa. But I still go back
[1:16:14] Speaker 2: to again, when I hear phrases, when somebody says I'm
[1:16:21] Speaker 2: a progressive, I then go, what does that mean?
[1:16:27] Speaker 1: What does that mean?
[1:16:29] Speaker 2: What is your position on a host of issues? That's
[1:16:35] Speaker 2: what I want to know, which then causes to say, okay,
[1:16:38] Speaker 2: all right, So if if you say you're progressive on
[1:16:45] Speaker 2: these issues, got it?
[1:16:50] Speaker 1: What did you actually get past? What did you actually,
[1:16:55] Speaker 1: I mean that that.
[1:16:56] Speaker 2: The hit on Senata Bernie Sanders is that he's been
[1:17:00] Speaker 2: in that long time.
[1:17:01] Speaker 1: What he actually gets past if.
[1:17:03] Speaker 2: You actually say who's one of the most effective Democrats
[1:17:07] Speaker 2: in the House, it's Congswoman Lawn Underwood when you look
[1:17:12] Speaker 2: at policy. But this, this thing, to me right here
[1:17:18] Speaker 2: is what white progressives are going to have to listen
[1:17:25] Speaker 2: if you will and actually understand that your worldview is
[1:17:31] Speaker 2: not the worldview of all Democrats. This is why I
[1:17:36] Speaker 2: keep I got pissed. I keep getting pissed off when
[1:17:39] Speaker 2: people act like Mandani is the he's the future of
[1:17:44] Speaker 2: the Democratic Party and he got elected in the same
[1:17:47] Speaker 2: year as the brother in Cleveland, the brother in Birmingham,
[1:17:53] Speaker 2: the brother in Atlanta, and it's as if those mayors
[1:17:58] Speaker 2: didn't exist. That, to me, is the mistake that progressives make,
[1:18:04] Speaker 2: is that you have to understand that there are different
[1:18:09] Speaker 2: pockets of the country that don't simply agree with your
[1:18:13] Speaker 2: position on a number of things. So the question then becomes,
[1:18:18] Speaker 2: do you demand candidates that are of like mind and
[1:18:23] Speaker 2: they lose and then you get a right wing candidate
[1:18:28] Speaker 2: in and then what type of policies are they going
[1:18:32] Speaker 2: to implement?
[1:18:33] Speaker 1: That's really what you have to contend with here.
[1:18:39] Speaker 13: That is do you want to be right or do
[1:18:40] Speaker 13: you want to be effective?
[1:18:42] Speaker 20: Because you know, there are a number of different issues
[1:18:45] Speaker 20: that are out there that are incredibly important, but.
[1:18:47] Speaker 13: You have to be able to one build a coalition too.
[1:18:50] Speaker 20: You have to be able to actually make real change
[1:18:53] Speaker 20: happen in people's lives so that they see that the
[1:18:56] Speaker 20: vote that they gave you actually yielded some thing. And unfortunately,
[1:19:02] Speaker 20: you know, sometimes we have folks who just want to
[1:19:04] Speaker 20: be loud and who just want to get attention, and
[1:19:08] Speaker 20: that does not necessarily change the lives of folks in Mississippi,
[1:19:12] Speaker 20: doesn't change the lives of folks who are in Georgia,
[1:19:16] Speaker 20: you know, doesn't change the lives of.
[1:19:17] Speaker 13: Folks and lots of different places across our country.
[1:19:20] Speaker 20: Folks are looking for somebody who sees them, who hears them,
[1:19:25] Speaker 20: who understands their pain, and is willing to move forward
[1:19:28] Speaker 20: on policies that will help to change that dynamic. So
[1:19:32] Speaker 20: whatever label you want to use, the most important thing
[1:19:36] Speaker 20: is that we're actually doing something that matters and that
[1:19:40] Speaker 20: will help not generally this generation, but the next generation.
[1:19:43] Speaker 13: To be in a better position.
[1:19:45] Speaker 20: And if you do that then you're beginning to move
[1:19:47] Speaker 20: in the direction that this democracy actually needs.
[1:19:50] Speaker 1: You know, you always got these dumb asses.
[1:19:51] Speaker 2: Randy got this fool sports actual area in chat like, oh,
[1:19:55] Speaker 2: here's rolling and shilling.
[1:19:57] Speaker 1: No, it's called reality.
[1:20:00] Speaker 2: Is the problem that people don't seem to understand politics first?
[1:20:06] Speaker 2: Or Ron Kirk when he was the mayor of Dallas,
[1:20:10] Speaker 2: we were talking one day and ron Kirk said, Roland,
[1:20:15] Speaker 2: let him explain. He said that these people understand. Either
[1:20:19] Speaker 2: you have the votes or you don't. He said, when
[1:20:23] Speaker 2: I'm sitting down on the dais and I got council
[1:20:26] Speaker 2: members who are yelling and screaming, he said, now, he said,
[1:20:31] Speaker 2: I ain't got to say nothing. He said, I got
[1:20:35] Speaker 2: the votes right here. He said, you need votes. You
[1:20:39] Speaker 2: need votes to win. Now, what role do people serve?
[1:20:44] Speaker 2: Do you need politicians in your party pushing as aggressively
[1:20:51] Speaker 2: as possible.
[1:20:52] Speaker 1: Absolutely? Do you need people in the streets pushing aggressively
[1:20:57] Speaker 1: as possible. Absolutely.
[1:21:00] Speaker 2: There's a difference between winning wars and winning arguments on television.
[1:21:08] Speaker 2: And I think back to nineteen sixty four, I think
[1:21:11] Speaker 2: back to Atlantic City. Well, the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party
[1:21:16] Speaker 2: Fan LOUW. Hamer Bob Moses. They went there and they said,
[1:21:19] Speaker 2: we need to integrate the Mississippi delegation. And LBJ was
[1:21:24] Speaker 2: concerned about winning the South, holding the South, beating Barry Goldwater,
[1:21:30] Speaker 2: and so he told Walter Ruther. After they continue not
[1:21:34] Speaker 2: accepting compromises.
[1:21:36] Speaker 1: He said, you make it clear.
[1:21:37] Speaker 2: You tell King accept the compromise or he gets his
[1:21:41] Speaker 2: labor funding pulled.
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: So what does King do?
[1:21:46] Speaker 2: King accepts the compromise. Now, Fan low Hamer Bob Moses
[1:21:50] Speaker 2: were angry. They were going off and buy at Rushton.
[1:21:54] Speaker 2: King says, I will take a win in sixty four.
[1:21:58] Speaker 2: He said, because the promise they're going to integra delegations
[1:22:01] Speaker 2: in sixty eight. And they were angry. They said, we
[1:22:03] Speaker 2: ain't waiting for sixty eight. He said, we couldn't get
[1:22:06] Speaker 2: it in sixty four. He had to make a strategic decision.
[1:22:10] Speaker 2: One do I completely lose funding for the entire movement
[1:22:15] Speaker 2: on this issue, or do I accept this compromise in
[1:22:19] Speaker 2: sixty four? And what ended up happening in sixty eight
[1:22:24] Speaker 2: that were integrated delegations, And so he had to make
[1:22:29] Speaker 2: a choice at that moment. And that's the theme that
[1:22:33] Speaker 2: I believe when you look at politics or anything else.
[1:22:36] Speaker 1: You push as hard as you can.
[1:22:38] Speaker 2: You push and push, but there comes a point when
[1:22:41] Speaker 2: you have to accept the reality that you didn't win.
[1:22:45] Speaker 2: So do you completely chuck everything and say, well, I
[1:22:49] Speaker 2: didn't get everything I wanted, so therefore I'm not supporting this,
[1:22:53] Speaker 2: or do you say I'm accept as much as I
[1:22:56] Speaker 2: can today, but I'm coming back tomorrow for more.
[1:23:02] Speaker 5: I agree with you completely.
[1:23:04] Speaker 4: I probably people would consider me what they would call
[1:23:07] Speaker 4: it progressive in a lot of ways. I certainly you know,
[1:23:10] Speaker 4: read in that direction, and you know, listen to a
[1:23:13] Speaker 4: lot of people in that vein. But there are two
[1:23:15] Speaker 4: things can be true at once, right, So I can
[1:23:18] Speaker 4: believe in a policy I can believe let's say reparations
[1:23:23] Speaker 4: need to happen immediately.
[1:23:24] Speaker 5: Let's say that is something I believe in. But do
[1:23:26] Speaker 5: I believe that if we put up.
[1:23:28] Speaker 4: A candidate tomorrow that would appeal to the population because
[1:23:33] Speaker 4: I want us to win. No, So politics have sometimes
[1:23:39] Speaker 4: to be somewhat separate from your way of thinking at
[1:23:42] Speaker 4: that time.
[1:23:43] Speaker 5: And what you hope and we need progressive.
[1:23:45] Speaker 4: Is we need to think, we need to get ideas
[1:23:48] Speaker 4: and think about our people.
[1:23:50] Speaker 5: But if we're talking.
[1:23:51] Speaker 4: About getting elected by a whole, and you have to
[1:23:56] Speaker 4: then be strategic and those ideas of it's easy for
[1:24:00] Speaker 4: me to romanticize of what I want this world to be,
[1:24:03] Speaker 4: and I do that, and that is important. We all
[1:24:06] Speaker 4: should be doing that and work hard to create the
[1:24:09] Speaker 4: world that we want for ourselves. But the way we
[1:24:12] Speaker 4: get to where we want to be is within a system.
[1:24:15] Speaker 4: Right now, it's in a two party system. It's where
[1:24:18] Speaker 4: we're going to have to make some concessions. It's where
[1:24:20] Speaker 4: we are having to work and consider, work with and
[1:24:25] Speaker 4: consider all different sorts of opinions.
[1:24:27] Speaker 5: So what can we do where we are moving forward and.
[1:24:32] Speaker 4: Getting elected, because we cannot get elected if we are
[1:24:35] Speaker 4: not creating a model, a platform that other people can
[1:24:40] Speaker 4: get behind. I mean, it is at the end of
[1:24:42] Speaker 4: the day about the numbers, and you want to win,
[1:24:45] Speaker 4: and so we want to get our candidate in there
[1:24:47] Speaker 4: so we may have someone who say, this person is fantastic.
[1:24:51] Speaker 4: I love the ideas this person has, but can that
[1:24:54] Speaker 4: person win in the election? Because if we can't win,
[1:24:58] Speaker 4: all we do is have that great person with his
[1:25:01] Speaker 4: great idea sitting at home writing great articles.
[1:25:04] Speaker 5: That's it. And so I believe sometimes people.
[1:25:10] Speaker 4: Don't understand that there's two different things happening here, and
[1:25:13] Speaker 4: the two things.
[1:25:14] Speaker 16: Can co exist.
[1:25:16] Speaker 1: I'll give you an example, Katrina.
[1:25:20] Speaker 2: I get an example that a lot of people don't
[1:25:24] Speaker 2: even recognize or talk about. So Trump wins is sixteen.
[1:25:35] Speaker 2: They come in and then his son in law is
[1:25:40] Speaker 2: basically leading for the First Step Act and he was
[1:25:45] Speaker 2: negotiating with how Kim Jeffries.
[1:25:49] Speaker 1: And I remember, I remember.
[1:25:54] Speaker 2: The Lake congswoman Sheila Jackson Lee rolling up on me
[1:25:58] Speaker 2: at a Houston Rockets game and she was upset with
[1:26:03] Speaker 2: my commentary on the First Step Act and she well,
[1:26:11] Speaker 2: it's not good enough. The bill's not good enough. And
[1:26:14] Speaker 2: I say, I understand that. But what happened was it
[1:26:17] Speaker 2: passed the House, but when it went to the Senate,
[1:26:22] Speaker 2: you had Chuck Grassley, Republican head the Senator this year committee,
[1:26:26] Speaker 2: Corey Booker, Kamala Harris, Dick Durbin. They were like, no,
[1:26:30] Speaker 2: bill ain't good enough. So they fought that food from
[1:26:34] Speaker 2: Arkansas cotton and they strengthened the bill. But here's the
[1:26:40] Speaker 2: thing that people forget that also happened. They forget that
[1:26:47] Speaker 2: they had a stronger bill before the election. Did a
[1:26:54] Speaker 2: much stronger bill. I don't think it was called the
[1:26:57] Speaker 2: First Step Act, but it was a lot stronger than
[1:27:00] Speaker 2: what got passed.
[1:27:01] Speaker 1: And you know what happened.
[1:27:03] Speaker 2: Democrats said, well, no, you know what, why don't we
[1:27:06] Speaker 2: do this here while don't we haul off on passing
[1:27:10] Speaker 2: this bill because when Hillary wins, we can get a
[1:27:16] Speaker 2: stronger bill. She didn't win, And there were advocates who
[1:27:22] Speaker 2: were going take the win, take the win when you
[1:27:27] Speaker 2: have it.
[1:27:29] Speaker 1: And there were people like, no, no, we can get
[1:27:31] Speaker 1: a better bill. And what ends up happening.
[1:27:35] Speaker 2: She doesn't win, they don't get a better bill, and
[1:27:39] Speaker 2: Trump gets the credit for the first step at passing.
[1:27:43] Speaker 2: That's one of those examples in politics where you can
[1:27:48] Speaker 2: push and push and push and push and push, but
[1:27:51] Speaker 2: you sometimes have to accept the reality that let me,
[1:27:54] Speaker 2: if it's the first step at let me take the
[1:27:56] Speaker 2: win today and let me come back with the second
[1:27:59] Speaker 2: step at.
[1:28:01] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:28:02] Speaker 18: So the second story you told there about people not
[1:28:06] Speaker 18: wanting to take the better bill before the twenty sixteen
[1:28:10] Speaker 18: elections just makes my heart sinc and.
[1:28:13] Speaker 2: I'm in and I talk to people who were literally
[1:28:16] Speaker 2: involved in those negotiations who were just like, what the
[1:28:21] Speaker 2: hell are y'all doing it? It was so frustrating to
[1:28:25] Speaker 2: them that would happen, right.
[1:28:30] Speaker 18: So because I would say, I would probably say that
[1:28:32] Speaker 18: I'm a progressive and a pragmatist, so I would have
[1:28:35] Speaker 18: tried to pass the policy.
[1:28:36] Speaker 16: When I knew that I had power and not wait
[1:28:39] Speaker 16: in the interim.
[1:28:40] Speaker 18: But the point, the thing that I would add to
[1:28:42] Speaker 18: the story that you were telling, both both the sixty
[1:28:46] Speaker 18: four Fanny lou Hamer story and this story right here
[1:28:49] Speaker 18: you were just telling about the first step act is
[1:28:52] Speaker 18: that there is a role for everyone, right, like the
[1:28:56] Speaker 18: folks that were pushing for something better is the reason
[1:29:00] Speaker 18: and why that when it came back to the Senate
[1:29:02] Speaker 18: they had to go back and adjust it. Now, was
[1:29:04] Speaker 18: it as good as what you were saying? No, But
[1:29:07] Speaker 18: if if like if Congress Women Sheila Jackson o Lay
[1:29:11] Speaker 18: wasn't there like pushing, right, then we would have gotten
[1:29:14] Speaker 18: the less the even less good bill. And the same
[1:29:18] Speaker 18: thing is like if Fanny lou Hammer and those folks
[1:29:20] Speaker 18: from the.
[1:29:21] Speaker 16: Movement weren't pushing in that moment, then we don't get
[1:29:25] Speaker 16: the integration in sixty eight.
[1:29:26] Speaker 18: So we do, like I think that in some ways
[1:29:29] Speaker 18: there's like often a push for us to have this
[1:29:31] Speaker 18: like false like it's.
[1:29:32] Speaker 16: An either or either we have this or we don't.
[1:29:35] Speaker 18: I mean, there's a role for folks who to push
[1:29:37] Speaker 18: even if you don't necessarily like win the election.
[1:29:40] Speaker 16: That outside push actually allows.
[1:29:42] Speaker 18: Us to like move towards something better, even if we
[1:29:46] Speaker 18: don't necessarily get the ideal, Like that progression towards something
[1:29:49] Speaker 18: better is actually.
[1:29:50] Speaker 16: A winning of itself.
[1:29:52] Speaker 18: And then you come back to your point, You fight
[1:29:54] Speaker 18: another day and maybe eventually you get to the dream
[1:29:58] Speaker 18: policy or impact that you're hoping for. But we don't
[1:30:01] Speaker 18: even get to that next step of a more progressive
[1:30:04] Speaker 18: bill if there's not someone on the outside agitating.
[1:30:07] Speaker 1: Yep.
[1:30:08] Speaker 2: And that's why listen and Bishop Barber and I was
[1:30:10] Speaker 2: talking about it all the time when there were people
[1:30:13] Speaker 2: like him in Cliff Albright others who were saying, y'all
[1:30:16] Speaker 2: need to codify the v r A. And you get
[1:30:19] Speaker 2: people like no, no, no, don't push by them on
[1:30:21] Speaker 2: too much of this thing. We're like, no, you have
[1:30:23] Speaker 2: to do this, and we see what happened. So, I mean,
[1:30:26] Speaker 2: just like a lot of Democrats, they assumed that Roe v.
[1:30:30] Speaker 2: Wade was set on law.
[1:30:34] Speaker 1: Again.
[1:30:36] Speaker 2: So you said it best. You can be progressive but
[1:30:39] Speaker 2: also a pragmatist. I just think a lot of times
[1:30:41] Speaker 2: that you have a lot of people who are pragmatists
[1:30:44] Speaker 2: who don't want to be progressive, a lot of progressives
[1:30:46] Speaker 2: who ain't pragmatist at all, and it's all or nothing.
[1:30:50] Speaker 2: And I'll close with this, I'll never forget.
[1:30:52] Speaker 1: Being on CNN and.
[1:30:55] Speaker 2: You had Eric Ericsson then with RedState dot Com and
[1:30:59] Speaker 2: he was talking about the Tea Party and he's like,
[1:31:02] Speaker 2: principles matter more than anything else, even when we lose.
[1:31:06] Speaker 2: And Bill Bennett goes, what the hell are you talking about?
[1:31:11] Speaker 2: He said, you would rather lose the election? He said,
[1:31:17] Speaker 2: are you nuts? It was hilarious sitting there where Bill
[1:31:21] Speaker 2: Bennett was going, you know, you can't change any policy
[1:31:27] Speaker 2: if you're in the minority. And I was like, got
[1:31:32] Speaker 2: a point, let me go to break. I'll be right
[1:31:34] Speaker 2: back to it on the Black stud Network.
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[1:31:53] Speaker 2: We're no strangers to systems that don't have our best
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[1:33:04] Speaker 8: Hey, everybody, I'm GD Jackson. I want to encourage you
[1:33:08] Speaker 8: to watch Rolling By un Filtered.
[1:33:11] Speaker 1: It'll blow your mind.
[1:33:19] Speaker 2: Pollution from Elon Musk's XAI Data Center project is primarily
[1:33:23] Speaker 2: affecting African Americans. XAI installed fifty nine natural gas turbines
[1:33:29] Speaker 2: and black communities in Tennessee and Mississippi, where residents already
[1:33:32] Speaker 2: experienced higher rates of lung disease. The installations took place
[1:33:35] Speaker 2: without federal clean air permits, allowing emissions to exceed the
[1:33:39] Speaker 2: federal limit. In April, the NAACP in the Southern Environmental
[1:33:42] Speaker 2: Law Center filed a lawsuit to delay their project, arguing
[1:33:47] Speaker 2: that the turbine emissions violate the Clean Air Act. In June,
[1:33:49] Speaker 2: the Justice Department asked the court to dismiss the lawsuit,
[1:33:52] Speaker 2: saying that restricting the turbines could threaten national security interest
[1:33:57] Speaker 2: because XAI systems supportitary operations, including operations involving Iran.
[1:34:03] Speaker 1: The court has not taken any new action on the
[1:34:06] Speaker 1: law on the lawsuit.
[1:34:08] Speaker 2: This is a you know, a significant issue, and it
[1:34:11] Speaker 2: goes to show you that he has this administration in
[1:34:14] Speaker 2: his pocket of Mustafa.
[1:34:17] Speaker 12: Oh without a doubt.
[1:34:18] Speaker 20: I mean, it was anybody else who tried to move
[1:34:20] Speaker 20: forward with building something without getting those permits, those air permits,
[1:34:25] Speaker 20: you know, they would be uh.
[1:34:27] Speaker 13: In front of a judge. So unfortunately, you know, there's
[1:34:33] Speaker 13: so much here to actually unpack.
[1:34:34] Speaker 20: You know, when you're talking about these big, giant mega centers,
[1:34:38] Speaker 20: there are huge impacts of public health impacts to the
[1:34:41] Speaker 20: folks bodies who are living right there. You know, this
[1:34:45] Speaker 20: thing is putting out Knox nitrogen oxides, they're putting out
[1:34:50] Speaker 20: carbon monoxide, they're putting out there from milde hide that's
[1:34:53] Speaker 20: also there, for milde hyde is tied to cancer, and
[1:34:56] Speaker 20: there are a number of other things that are coming
[1:34:58] Speaker 20: out of these stacks. And I'm fortunately the community that
[1:35:01] Speaker 20: there is already dealing with lots of cumulative impacts from
[1:35:05] Speaker 20: other polluting facilities that are there. So for the state
[1:35:10] Speaker 20: or the federal government to not be doing their job
[1:35:13] Speaker 20: and make sure they're enforcing the laws fully no matter
[1:35:15] Speaker 20: whom it is, just puts a crosshair.
[1:35:18] Speaker 13: On these communities. So we got to make sure that
[1:35:22] Speaker 13: we're addressing this issue.
[1:35:23] Speaker 20: But also learning because there are a number of other
[1:35:26] Speaker 20: I think there are four thousand to forty five hundred
[1:35:29] Speaker 20: other data centers that are already online across our country,
[1:35:33] Speaker 20: and there's a huge amount of additional ones that are coming,
[1:35:36] Speaker 20: and it's vulnerable communities who often carry the burden.
[1:35:41] Speaker 2: Down Trump to let these folks do whatever they want to.
[1:35:43] Speaker 2: I mean, they're turned over lands big business. They're wiping
[1:35:47] Speaker 2: everything away again, the raping and pillaging of America is
[1:35:52] Speaker 2: happening before I very eyes.
[1:35:56] Speaker 16: They and oh oh yeah, go ahead, they seem to.
[1:36:06] Speaker 5: I mean, capitalism is all they're thinking about. That is
[1:36:09] Speaker 5: the only principle that they have. And so they are.
[1:36:12] Speaker 5: They're taking over national parks if they can right now.
[1:36:15] Speaker 5: But you know, because this is not new. Sadly, it
[1:36:18] Speaker 5: is not new that when they put in.
[1:36:22] Speaker 4: Companies and factories in areas, they are typically in areas
[1:36:26] Speaker 4: that will affect the black population poorly. It has been
[1:36:30] Speaker 4: shown how countless times Mustafa could speak more intelligently about it,
[1:36:35] Speaker 4: about the levels of diseases like cancer and asthma, how
[1:36:41] Speaker 4: high they are, because simply we are in areas that
[1:36:45] Speaker 4: are you know, getting to smoke from these factories or
[1:36:49] Speaker 4: our water is affected because again, there is no protection
[1:36:53] Speaker 4: for our lives.
[1:36:54] Speaker 5: Again, it's black lives do not matter. And of course
[1:36:58] Speaker 5: we can't expect Trump to care.
[1:37:00] Speaker 4: And the fact that this man is coming in, Elon
[1:37:04] Speaker 4: Musk is coming in and he hasn't even gotten the
[1:37:07] Speaker 4: permits to do this.
[1:37:08] Speaker 5: Work, but no one cares. It's just go ahead. It's
[1:37:12] Speaker 5: you know, it blows my mind that they're.
[1:37:16] Speaker 4: Getting away with not following the rule of law whatsoever, Patrina.
[1:37:23] Speaker 18: This is an example of all of the ways in
[1:37:27] Speaker 18: which this administration is undermining the levers of our democracy
[1:37:32] Speaker 18: to the point of him not needing a permit to
[1:37:37] Speaker 18: go in there. We know about this is the fact
[1:37:39] Speaker 18: there is obviously money interests that are influencing our government
[1:37:43] Speaker 18: in this moment, and so the fact that there is
[1:37:45] Speaker 18: like no permit, the fact that there is really like
[1:37:49] Speaker 18: no judicial pushback on this. The DOJ, who you think
[1:37:54] Speaker 18: would actually be on the side of protecting the health
[1:37:58] Speaker 18: of its citizens, is actually saying, oh no, we actually
[1:38:03] Speaker 18: shouldn't regulate this because of some type of military issue.
[1:38:07] Speaker 18: So it's not just like the agencies failing at their job.
[1:38:11] Speaker 18: It's the DOJ feiling a failing at their job. And
[1:38:16] Speaker 18: in this instance, the courts are not inter intervening in
[1:38:20] Speaker 18: this moment where where he is running rockshod over the
[1:38:24] Speaker 18: laws that already exist in this country. So to our
[1:38:26] Speaker 18: earlier discussion about elections have consequences, It's not just the
[1:38:30] Speaker 18: people who get elected into office. It's like all of
[1:38:33] Speaker 18: the ways in which the executive branch can influence how
[1:38:36] Speaker 18: we live our daily lives and how we experience government.
[1:38:42] Speaker 2: All right, Dan, all right, folks, quick break, we come
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[1:39:02] Speaker 1: Off of your confusion. And look, we're used to this.
[1:39:04] Speaker 2: We're no strangers to systems that don't have our best
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[1:41:06] Speaker 2: have you here. Okay, So all right, so explain to
[1:41:10] Speaker 2: all of this candle thing. So when you say we
[1:41:14] Speaker 2: say clean candles, when you say clean wet, what does
[1:41:17] Speaker 2: that mean.
[1:41:20] Speaker 29: It means that it's not going to irritate you. I
[1:41:22] Speaker 29: actually was just watching your last segment and we were
[1:41:24] Speaker 29: talking about Eli Musk building these centers and it's polluting
[1:41:28] Speaker 29: our air. If you are in an urban population, that
[1:41:30] Speaker 29: happens to you all the time. That's been happening to
[1:41:33] Speaker 29: us for a years. So that's why you'll see a
[1:41:35] Speaker 29: lot of black and brown people who have asthma and exzema.
[1:41:38] Speaker 29: It's just something that we've had to deal with because
[1:41:40] Speaker 29: our urban areas are being polluted. So an answer to that,
[1:41:43] Speaker 29: we created a candle that would not amplify those things.
[1:41:46] Speaker 29: A lot of times you'll have things that have like
[1:41:49] Speaker 29: a strawberry shortcake smell. It's the artificial thing that you
[1:41:52] Speaker 29: burn right and it gets into the air. A lot
[1:41:54] Speaker 29: of people will get headaches, they'll start sneezing. You get
[1:41:58] Speaker 29: the black soot on the walls, your breathe, that into
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[1:42:03] Speaker 29: decided to do a coconut soy wax candle with a
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[1:42:08] Speaker 29: and we use essentral oil based fragrance oil, so those
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[1:42:14] Speaker 1: All right, So this is leather? What is this?
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[1:42:41] Speaker 16: It's a good one.
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[1:43:08] Speaker 30: Actually, we wanted to just find just fregrances that were
[1:43:12] Speaker 30: right and like Taylor said, not anything that was artificial.
[1:43:17] Speaker 30: So we did like a lot of testing, a lot
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[1:43:32] Speaker 10: It's the best.
[1:43:34] Speaker 1: Cool and so how long have y'all had? How long
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[1:43:46] Speaker 16: Since COVID.
[1:43:47] Speaker 2: Okay, so you started during COVID, So what so what
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[1:43:56] Speaker 2: we can't burn no canos because your ass, We're gonna
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[1:44:00] Speaker 10: That's exactly thats exactly what happened.
[1:44:03] Speaker 2: Okay, So then what y'all So, do y'all have a
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[1:44:09] Speaker 2: we need to google some stuff to figure out what
[1:44:11] Speaker 2: the hell can we do?
[1:44:13] Speaker 5: We had to google some things.
[1:44:15] Speaker 16: So it started off.
[1:44:16] Speaker 29: We both actually worked full time jobs, and I was
[1:44:18] Speaker 29: doing my full time job and I was working during
[1:44:21] Speaker 29: COVID in Australia.
[1:44:23] Speaker 5: I came back to New York.
[1:44:24] Speaker 29: I don't know if any of your viewers are from
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[1:44:29] Speaker 29: which was a big deal. My family came and moved
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[1:44:34] Speaker 29: I got there, it wasn't so safe for me to
[1:44:36] Speaker 29: go outside. And I had a new house that I
[1:44:38] Speaker 29: wanted to create an ambiance, get a vibe going. So
[1:44:41] Speaker 29: that's kind of how we did it. It was kind
[1:44:42] Speaker 29: of just a project for us to do together and reconnect,
[1:44:45] Speaker 29: and then we shared it with family and friends and
[1:44:47] Speaker 29: are like, hey, you have something here. I think you
[1:44:50] Speaker 29: need to take it to the next level. And Karin
[1:44:52] Speaker 29: convinced me. I wasn't convinced. I like my money when
[1:44:55] Speaker 29: I know it's coming, you know, from my nine to
[1:44:57] Speaker 29: five job. So being a business owner wasn't really how
[1:45:00] Speaker 29: we started everything, but it's where we landed and we
[1:45:02] Speaker 29: wouldn't take.
[1:45:03] Speaker 16: It back for the world.
[1:45:04] Speaker 1: So you left the job.
[1:45:07] Speaker 5: No, we're still working.
[1:45:08] Speaker 16: We are long link.
[1:45:08] Speaker 1: Okay, all right, cool question for the panel. Let's talk
[1:45:13] Speaker 1: to first one candle burning Randy.
[1:45:18] Speaker 5: I do burn a lot of candles. I have a question.
[1:45:21] Speaker 5: So you said this was great for people with ask.
[1:45:23] Speaker 4: Them, but I would think that it would have great
[1:45:25] Speaker 4: benefits for even people who don't have asthma like me.
[1:45:29] Speaker 5: As far as just having clean air.
[1:45:32] Speaker 29: Yep, absolutely, So it's great for everybody. It was made
[1:45:35] Speaker 29: for people with asthma. Was like, essentially, if you have
[1:45:38] Speaker 29: respiratory issues and you're sensitive to that, it's not going
[1:45:41] Speaker 29: to harm you. But we found that a lot of
[1:45:43] Speaker 29: people with pets, expecting mothers or mothers with new babies,
[1:45:46] Speaker 29: or people who just really are intentional about getting things
[1:45:49] Speaker 29: that are more sustainable and vegan. There are also our customers.
[1:45:52] Speaker 10: Too, especially for the children. Also, Yeah, Katrina, I love this.
[1:46:01] Speaker 16: I love Let's buy Let's buy black.
[1:46:04] Speaker 18: And when you were talking about that, we're just also
[1:46:06] Speaker 18: talking about there's so much happening in the world right now,
[1:46:10] Speaker 18: and so I would imagine too that people look to
[1:46:13] Speaker 18: your products as a way to relax, you know, light
[1:46:15] Speaker 18: a candle. Is there any implications of using this eco
[1:46:19] Speaker 18: friendly products as a way to actually help people calm
[1:46:22] Speaker 18: their nervous system in this moment where we are ramped
[1:46:25] Speaker 18: to one hundred all the time.
[1:46:28] Speaker 1: Aren't we?
[1:46:29] Speaker 10: I would say, so we use some natural good cream, Okay, yeah,
[1:46:35] Speaker 10: I mean we use.
[1:46:36] Speaker 30: Natural ingredients, essential oils or wooden wick has a nice
[1:46:40] Speaker 30: crackling noise, so when you come home from our hard
[1:46:42] Speaker 30: day work. Like you mentioned, you can just unwine like
[1:46:46] Speaker 30: the candle. You hear the nice sound, and you can
[1:46:49] Speaker 30: just imagine you're not in New York or wherever you are.
[1:46:52] Speaker 30: You can imagine you're topic Island or somewhere like that.
[1:46:55] Speaker 30: And that's part of the vibe that we are trying
[1:46:57] Speaker 30: to set. Mostly is about the health. What we do
[1:47:00] Speaker 30: want to add other ways how to relax people. Of course,
[1:47:04] Speaker 30: people are stressed out nowadays.
[1:47:07] Speaker 29: Absolutely, Like you could come one of our best sellers
[1:47:09] Speaker 29: as a coconut sandal wood since it has the warm
[1:47:12] Speaker 29: sandalwood and coconut is really warm and calming, so that's
[1:47:15] Speaker 29: good for that. We have botanic fig and sea salt
[1:47:17] Speaker 29: orchid because it's our spring summer season, so when people
[1:47:20] Speaker 29: want something a little bit brighter, they've just cleaned their
[1:47:22] Speaker 29: house and you can light those for those vibes. So
[1:47:24] Speaker 29: we have an array of different fragrances kind of for
[1:47:27] Speaker 29: different things. All of them said amazing vibes at home though.
[1:47:31] Speaker 1: Mustafa, Yeah, well, thank you for doing this.
[1:47:35] Speaker 20: You know, there are twenty four million folks in our
[1:47:36] Speaker 20: country of asthma and seven million kids, so you've got
[1:47:39] Speaker 20: a whole lot of folks who should.
[1:47:41] Speaker 13: Be looking at your product and considering to purchase it.
[1:47:44] Speaker 13: You talk about cruelty free products. It's right there on
[1:47:47] Speaker 13: the screen as well right now.
[1:47:49] Speaker 20: Can you talk about why that's important because some folks
[1:47:52] Speaker 20: might not understand how other candles are often made and
[1:47:55] Speaker 20: what the difference is with.
[1:47:56] Speaker 13: Yours, Kaream.
[1:48:01] Speaker 10: We just want to just make sure that.
[1:48:02] Speaker 30: Yeah, we just want to make sure that everything is
[1:48:04] Speaker 30: just natural and sustainable and vegan, and once you do
[1:48:07] Speaker 30: the research about what that means, it may not be
[1:48:11] Speaker 30: your cup of tea. So we just want to make
[1:48:14] Speaker 30: sure nothing is hurt in the process of making our products.
[1:48:17] Speaker 30: We want to be health oriented and like I said,
[1:48:21] Speaker 30: we have a positive goal that we want to reach
[1:48:23] Speaker 30: out to our community and this is where we start.
[1:48:26] Speaker 30: And using all natural ingredients things that won't hurt anybody
[1:48:29] Speaker 30: or anything is the way how we want.
[1:48:31] Speaker 1: It to go.
[1:48:33] Speaker 29: And just to add to that, like kind of what
[1:48:35] Speaker 29: is out there, we have some of these big companies
[1:48:38] Speaker 29: that use a lot of paraffin wax and a lot
[1:48:40] Speaker 29: of that is derived from fossil fuels and oil, so
[1:48:43] Speaker 29: those things just are not good for you. We're using
[1:48:45] Speaker 29: coconut soy wax. This is usually food grade material, so
[1:48:48] Speaker 29: it's a lot safer for you, especially since you're burning it,
[1:48:51] Speaker 29: you are ingesting it into your body in some way.
[1:48:54] Speaker 29: So doing things that aren't or using products that aren't
[1:48:56] Speaker 29: using paraffin waxes is really really important to because there
[1:49:00] Speaker 29: was no way that we could, you know, use something
[1:49:03] Speaker 29: derived from rubber and oil and give that to people
[1:49:06] Speaker 29: and expect it to be a clean burn. That wouldn't
[1:49:08] Speaker 29: be clean at all. So for us, that was the
[1:49:10] Speaker 29: biggest part of research. The second, as Karin mentioned, the
[1:49:13] Speaker 29: wooden wick, this is something that's also a recycled wooden wick,
[1:49:16] Speaker 29: so that helps us lean into our sustainability goals.
[1:49:20] Speaker 16: And a cotton wick, I mean, you know, you have
[1:49:22] Speaker 16: them everywhere.
[1:49:22] Speaker 29: They're good, but it's just the way that they burn
[1:49:25] Speaker 29: because it catches a big flame. Sometimes you'll see it
[1:49:27] Speaker 29: and it'll get all of the black soot on your walls.
[1:49:30] Speaker 29: With the wooden wick, it just doesn't do that. It's
[1:49:31] Speaker 29: not a big flame. It's more like a smolder.
[1:49:43] Speaker 2: Let me, there's here Dahlia amber diffuser read so sustainable vegans.
[1:49:50] Speaker 1: So I've got this and I've got this all right,
[1:49:53] Speaker 1: what is this.
[1:49:55] Speaker 29: So that is for people who don't want to burn things.
[1:49:58] Speaker 29: That's our flame free redifuser. We have four different fragrances.
[1:50:01] Speaker 29: The Dahlia amber is our newest one. You put the
[1:50:04] Speaker 29: sticks right in there. People usually sit them in bathrooms
[1:50:07] Speaker 29: or places. You set it and forget it. So when
[1:50:09] Speaker 29: you put the stick inside, it's going to soak up
[1:50:11] Speaker 29: all the liquid and it comes out the top with
[1:50:13] Speaker 29: the reads. Kareem has one, don't you.
[1:50:15] Speaker 2: So you stick this, you stick one of things in
[1:50:19] Speaker 2: the bottle and then just let us sit.
[1:50:22] Speaker 16: Yep, you let us sit there. It comes with ten.
[1:50:24] Speaker 29: We tell people to start off with usually about five
[1:50:26] Speaker 29: of them because the more reads you put in, the
[1:50:28] Speaker 29: stronger the fragrance. So if you're going to put it
[1:50:30] Speaker 29: in your bathroom, I would say five. And if it's
[1:50:33] Speaker 29: something maybe you want to refresh it. You're not smelling it,
[1:50:35] Speaker 29: smelling it anymore because your nose has gotten used to it.
[1:50:38] Speaker 29: Then you add a few more reason there, or you
[1:50:40] Speaker 29: flip them over. But you usually find those in bathrooms
[1:50:43] Speaker 29: or kitchens or some places that people don't want a flame.
[1:50:48] Speaker 2: Gotcha all right, well I'm burning stuff, so as you
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[1:51:41] Speaker 1: Say it again.
[1:51:43] Speaker 10: Said by all right?
[1:51:44] Speaker 1: Take care, all right, folks, just a couple a couple
[1:51:48] Speaker 1: of more stories here.
[1:51:50] Speaker 2: Be very careful when you talk trash on social media,
[1:51:56] Speaker 2: cause folks will track you down. So A Chelsea Gray
[1:52:01] Speaker 2: Places for the Las Vegas Aces posted this on social
[1:52:05] Speaker 2: media and it says this was a message I received
[1:52:09] Speaker 2: after our game yesterday.
[1:52:12] Speaker 1: And it said you suck as ugly as.
[1:52:16] Speaker 2: Nigger, And it said people act like we just make
[1:52:19] Speaker 2: this shit up, and the audacity to tell us as
[1:52:21] Speaker 2: athletes to shut up and dribble.
[1:52:24] Speaker 1: Well, it didn't take.
[1:52:27] Speaker 2: Folks long to identify this idiot Nick from Texas. You
[1:52:34] Speaker 2: see right here boom Nick Texas Fitness Concerts, traveling outdoors
[1:52:39] Speaker 2: and it says sales, sales.
[1:52:42] Speaker 1: So when she posted that, they busted that.
[1:52:46] Speaker 2: So then then all of a sudden, people said, hey,
[1:52:49] Speaker 2: Hilton Hotels, Hilton Honors. This individual works at one of
[1:52:53] Speaker 2: your Texas locations. He's wearing a Hilton name tech in
[1:52:57] Speaker 2: his Instagram story. Is this the type of employee conduct
[1:53:00] Speaker 2: y'all accept condone? That was about twenty four hours ago. Well,
[1:53:08] Speaker 2: this is on ESPN. Fan fired going after alledged. First
[1:53:14] Speaker 2: of all, I hate these dumb ass headlines. Fan fire
[1:53:17] Speaker 2: after alleged racist message, the food call her a nigga.
[1:53:23] Speaker 2: It wasn't no alleged and so Hilton Grand Vacations announced
[1:53:27] Speaker 2: the firing and a statement issue to multiple media outlets
[1:53:30] Speaker 2: on Tuesday, one day after Gray posted a screenshot of
[1:53:33] Speaker 2: a message on her Instagram account that showed a fan
[1:53:36] Speaker 2: calling Gray racial slurp. The person responsible for posting this
[1:53:39] Speaker 2: information is no longer with the company, Hilton Grand Vacation
[1:53:42] Speaker 2: said in his statement his behavior was in violation of
[1:53:45] Speaker 2: multiple company policies and does not reflect our company's values
[1:53:49] Speaker 2: in any way. Well, now, Katrina, these races gonna learn
[1:53:57] Speaker 2: you post. You see somebody a DM, he can track
[1:54:01] Speaker 2: your ass down.
[1:54:04] Speaker 16: Right when they say mess around and find out.
[1:54:06] Speaker 18: So I hey, absolutely, that's one moment where I'm grateful
[1:54:12] Speaker 18: for the online warriors who are doing investigative reporting to
[1:54:16] Speaker 18: find people and hold them accountable. You know, people always
[1:54:19] Speaker 18: want to talk about the first you know, the First Amendment,
[1:54:22] Speaker 18: to be able to say whatever they want to say. Yes,
[1:54:23] Speaker 18: you can say it, and then you can also deal
[1:54:25] Speaker 18: with the consequences on the other end. And so this
[1:54:29] Speaker 18: is exactly what happened, and I'm glad that it happened.
[1:54:31] Speaker 1: Show YEA asked? Is gonna be a problem? Randy?
[1:54:34] Speaker 5: Absolutely, I get such joy.
[1:54:36] Speaker 4: At least once a day there is a situation like that,
[1:54:40] Speaker 4: and people are losing their jobs left and right.
[1:54:43] Speaker 10: I'm like that.
[1:54:44] Speaker 5: Racism sure is expensive, but you know some people are
[1:54:47] Speaker 5: married to it. But I get joy watching them having
[1:54:50] Speaker 5: to have some consequences. Great justice is a good thing.
[1:54:56] Speaker 13: If you're gonna say it, be ready to pay it.
[1:54:58] Speaker 13: You know, that seems to be the only thing. It
[1:55:00] Speaker 13: gets so many people's attention.
[1:55:01] Speaker 20: Unfortunately, they don't know how to be human, They don't
[1:55:05] Speaker 20: know how to live their lives with kindness and dignity.
[1:55:09] Speaker 13: But you know what they do respond to, that's when
[1:55:13] Speaker 13: you hit them into pockets.
[1:55:15] Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, absolutely, all right, folks.
[1:55:18] Speaker 2: Uncle Nears and Nearest Green Discillary founder Vaughan Weaver, who
[1:55:22] Speaker 2: refers to herself as the People's CEO, apparently is out
[1:55:25] Speaker 2: of a job, and a new court filing disclosed on
[1:55:27] Speaker 2: July tenth, The court appointed receiver, Philip G. Young Junior,
[1:55:31] Speaker 2: who's overseen the trouble Whiskey Company, stated that Fawn and
[1:55:35] Speaker 2: her husband, Keith Weaver were terminated and removed from any
[1:55:38] Speaker 2: involvement with Uncle Nearest, effective June first. This information was
[1:55:42] Speaker 2: included in his fourth quarterly report. Young mentioned that removing
[1:55:46] Speaker 2: the Weavers was not an easy decision, but it has
[1:55:49] Speaker 2: led to less confusion within the company. The Weavers remain
[1:55:55] Speaker 2: individual defendants in a lawsuit filed by pharm Credit Mid
[1:55:58] Speaker 2: America against the company. Lawsuit this is more than one
[1:56:00] Speaker 2: hundred million dollars an outstanding principle and it thinks the
[1:56:02] Speaker 2: appointment of a receiver, a request that was granted in
[1:56:05] Speaker 2: August twenty twenty five from Credit claims that Uncle Nerras
[1:56:08] Speaker 2: has been in default since January twenty twenty four. Young
[1:56:11] Speaker 2: anticipates filing a notice of the proposed sale of the
[1:56:13] Speaker 2: company's core assets within the next thirty to sixty days.
[1:56:16] Speaker 2: Fun We've launched Uncle Nerris in twenty sixteen and the
[1:56:20] Speaker 2: Whiskey Debuty in twenty seventeen. Since then it has rapidly
[1:56:23] Speaker 2: expanded into all fifty states in a dozen countries. It
[1:56:26] Speaker 2: has been a lot of litigation back and forth over
[1:56:29] Speaker 2: the last several months. She often is posting on social
[1:56:33] Speaker 2: media about what is going on, and so look forward
[1:56:36] Speaker 2: to hearing what is the next issue here? Certainly a
[1:56:43] Speaker 2: story of folks do not anticipate, but so we'll give
[1:56:46] Speaker 2: the update when we can. Catrina up, Randy and Mustav
[1:56:49] Speaker 2: Faserill appreciate you'all being on today's show.
[1:56:51] Speaker 1: Thank you so very much, thank you for having me.
[1:56:54] Speaker 2: All right, hey, folks, Lamarck bagbye. He runs the Virginia
[1:56:58] Speaker 2: Democratic Party and when we wereather you're coming with Galen
[1:57:01] Speaker 2: and an opportunity to catch up with him as he
[1:57:03] Speaker 2: laid out his strategy to keep winning in Virginia.
[1:57:10] Speaker 1: So folks lamon.
[1:57:12] Speaker 2: Badman heads the Virginia Democratic Party. For folks who don't
[1:57:15] Speaker 2: understand what this event is, is it your annual event.
[1:57:20] Speaker 2: Is it your your largest annual fundraiser for the party,
[1:57:22] Speaker 2: or is it your annual sort of party celebration.
[1:57:26] Speaker 11: It is actually a little bit of both of them.
[1:57:29] Speaker 11: As you can imagine. It is the event that we
[1:57:32] Speaker 11: have annually used to be the J. J.
[1:57:34] Speaker 17: Dunning.
[1:57:35] Speaker 11: We changed the name to the Blue Commonwealth. It is
[1:57:38] Speaker 11: a long standing event. We haven't had it in this
[1:57:40] Speaker 11: space in over ten years.
[1:57:44] Speaker 17: We moved it.
[1:57:44] Speaker 11: Because it was getting bigger, but this year we wanted
[1:57:47] Speaker 11: to bring it back and make it more intimate. Mark Warner,
[1:57:49] Speaker 11: as you know, had a rough couple of months he
[1:57:52] Speaker 11: lost his daughter, but he also announced that this will
[1:57:56] Speaker 11: be his last time running, and I thought it was
[1:57:59] Speaker 11: important for us to have an intimate event. But we
[1:58:01] Speaker 11: didn't have a keynote speaker from out of town. There's
[1:58:04] Speaker 11: plenty of them to comfort ab out of town, but
[1:58:06] Speaker 11: we wanted to make sure this last year go to
[1:58:08] Speaker 11: wes Moore spoke came U and called called us uh
[1:58:13] Speaker 11: Southern Maryland, but we loved going to more and looking
[1:58:17] Speaker 11: forward to supporting him, but we wanted to really highlight
[1:58:20] Speaker 11: Mark Warner and also Don Scott, Jay Jones, Gazala Hashmi
[1:58:26] Speaker 11: and Abigail Spenberger because we had some tough races last
[1:58:30] Speaker 11: year and then as you know, we were that referendum,
[1:58:32] Speaker 11: playing for your support and come in and making sure
[1:58:34] Speaker 11: we went to the HBCUs, including my HBCU Norfolk State
[1:58:40] Speaker 11: UH to make sure.
[1:58:41] Speaker 17: That we got that word out.
[1:58:43] Speaker 2: So I interviewed US Democrat leader hot King Jeffreys a
[1:58:46] Speaker 2: couple of days ago, and when I interviewed him, he
[1:58:50] Speaker 2: talked about and I asked him about targeting black voters,
[1:58:54] Speaker 2: hitting the ground, touching people, and he referenced what has
[1:58:58] Speaker 2: happened in Virginia, Prince, the work that I've done with
[1:59:02] Speaker 2: Donna as well, And what have you been saying to
[1:59:07] Speaker 2: First of all, have other party leaders been asking, hey,
[1:59:11] Speaker 2: what was your blueprint?
[1:59:14] Speaker 1: I asked down the questions like not enough of asking that.
[1:59:16] Speaker 2: But to me, if you were a state Democratic Party leader,
[1:59:21] Speaker 2: your phone set blowing off the hook, especially in all
[1:59:25] Speaker 2: these states where you got lots of African Americans asking
[1:59:28] Speaker 2: the question, how did you expand your numbers in the House.
[1:59:31] Speaker 2: How did you hold the Senate, How did you win
[1:59:33] Speaker 2: the governor's mansion? How did you flip these other statewide positions?
[1:59:38] Speaker 2: And that's about touching, engaging, and spending on the ground
[1:59:43] Speaker 2: with the black folks and not assuming they're gonna show up.
[1:59:45] Speaker 17: Yeah.
[1:59:45] Speaker 11: Well, and I just became chaired the party a year ago.
[1:59:49] Speaker 11: And as you know, I mean, you've looked at our numbers.
[1:59:53] Speaker 11: I mean, you sharing numbers that we didn't sleep, so
[1:59:55] Speaker 11: you looked at our numbers. A lot of folks think
[1:59:58] Speaker 11: that Virginia is a blue state, Virginia as purple as
[2:00:02] Speaker 11: can be. But we know we have to go out
[2:00:04] Speaker 11: and do the work. And you know, time and time
[2:00:06] Speaker 11: again we have an elections every year. And so the
[2:00:10] Speaker 11: things that we did with you, the stuff that we
[2:00:12] Speaker 11: do really into I've reached.
[2:00:14] Speaker 17: I mean, you think about it.
[2:00:15] Speaker 11: Before I became the chair at the party, our chair
[2:00:17] Speaker 11: the Black Caucus, and we grew the Black Caucus from
[2:00:21] Speaker 11: eighteen members to them thirty eight members.
[2:00:23] Speaker 1: Wow, that's double.
[2:00:24] Speaker 17: While I was while I was a chair.
[2:00:26] Speaker 1: Wow.
[2:00:27] Speaker 17: And that was intentional.
[2:00:29] Speaker 11: When you when you start supporting leaders of color, black leaders,
[2:00:35] Speaker 11: and you start getting people like Don Scott, Louise Lucas,
[2:00:38] Speaker 11: Chanelle hering and leadership roles. They are then charging the
[2:00:44] Speaker 11: team to go out and be conscious about being fair,
[2:00:50] Speaker 11: about allowing people to keep in the person in choice.
[2:00:53] Speaker 1: But is it also telling that I've been calling them out?
[2:00:58] Speaker 2: Is it it also telling your traditional white consultants.
[2:01:03] Speaker 15: Hey, y'all been losing. You might want to switch up
[2:01:07] Speaker 15: what you're.
[2:01:08] Speaker 2: Doing because you just pocket and money and we're losing
[2:01:12] Speaker 2: when the point is to win.
[2:01:14] Speaker 11: Yeah, and knowing who to talk to. I mean, it's
[2:01:16] Speaker 11: some people that put on a show and make it
[2:01:20] Speaker 11: seem like they can connect with black people. But then
[2:01:22] Speaker 11: there's people, I mean, listen, black folks can see through it, yep,
[2:01:28] Speaker 11: and they know when somebody's going smoke.
[2:01:32] Speaker 17: And so it's important.
[2:01:34] Speaker 11: But when we go out where our most authentic self
[2:01:38] Speaker 11: and that our staff and those people knocking doors are
[2:01:41] Speaker 11: on message, and the message has to be what the
[2:01:44] Speaker 11: people on the doors care most about it.
[2:01:47] Speaker 17: And I think even after we won, when we came
[2:01:51] Speaker 17: back into session.
[2:01:53] Speaker 11: Led by speaker Stunt Louise Lucas and to work with
[2:01:57] Speaker 11: Abigail Spamberger, we delivered a lot of good stuff, right.
[2:02:00] Speaker 2: But the point is you have to deliver on what
[2:02:02] Speaker 2: you said you were gonna do. Plus people get frustrated.
[2:02:05] Speaker 2: As a black man who leaves the party, what are
[2:02:08] Speaker 2: you saying to Ken Martin and others what they're gonna
[2:02:11] Speaker 2: have to do to talk to engage and regain the
[2:02:16] Speaker 2: trust of black men.
[2:02:18] Speaker 11: I'll tell you as a combination of things. We have
[2:02:22] Speaker 11: to spend money in the community. We have to spend
[2:02:25] Speaker 11: money with the black community. A lot of black folks
[2:02:28] Speaker 11: don't know what the opportunities are to work under the infrastructure,
[2:02:32] Speaker 11: not just at the party, but under the campaigns. And
[2:02:36] Speaker 11: so we're making a real assertive effort. And you've been
[2:02:38] Speaker 11: opponent that I'm going into our NHCCUS and then also
[2:02:42] Speaker 11: going to down pwes and finding those young black scholars
[2:02:47] Speaker 11: that are interested in getting involved in politics.
[2:02:52] Speaker 1: What would you say?
[2:02:53] Speaker 2: And again, here we are five months out and I
[2:02:57] Speaker 2: was discussing a couple of guests ago, Uh, how folks
[2:03:01] Speaker 2: have to understand how politics works. The reality is you're
[2:03:05] Speaker 2: gonna have a constitucial amendment. Uh, you got reproductive rights,
[2:03:09] Speaker 2: but you got a constitutional amendment. We're throwing the voting
[2:03:12] Speaker 2: rights formerly incarcerated that doesn't happen if you don't have
[2:03:18] Speaker 2: the right folks who are elected, who are able to
[2:03:20] Speaker 2: pass that twice for to even get on the ballot.
[2:03:24] Speaker 11: And and you know, we get lost and and not
[2:03:28] Speaker 11: lost because it's important stuff, a lot of the stuff
[2:03:30] Speaker 11: that we talk about first. But I carry a legislation
[2:03:33] Speaker 11: this year to finally make African American studies a high
[2:03:38] Speaker 11: school course that's a verifying credit. So now history black
[2:03:43] Speaker 11: history will be toward and all of our high schools, okay,
[2:03:46] Speaker 11: as a verifying credit, not just an elective, but as
[2:03:49] Speaker 11: a verifying credit.
[2:03:50] Speaker 1: So that'll be my mandatory class.
[2:03:52] Speaker 17: A mandatory class.
[2:03:53] Speaker 1: Got it.
[2:03:53] Speaker 17: And then the other thing is Sunday voting.
[2:03:59] Speaker 1: Now you why you why you didn't text me that?
[2:04:02] Speaker 1: So what do you I didn't know about that about
[2:04:04] Speaker 1: the African American study scene.
[2:04:06] Speaker 15: Yeah, I gotta teller brother, see I could have been
[2:04:08] Speaker 15: talking about it.
[2:04:09] Speaker 1: Yeah. So when is that going to effect?
[2:04:12] Speaker 17: That goes in effects julyne one, So when they go
[2:04:14] Speaker 17: back from the school.
[2:04:15] Speaker 1: Year in the fall, madatory credit.
[2:04:17] Speaker 15: Okay, got it, all right?
[2:04:19] Speaker 11: And and the other thing is, you know when we
[2:04:22] Speaker 11: talk to the ministers going into this campaign, you know,
[2:04:25] Speaker 11: we carried carried legislation back in twenty.
[2:04:28] Speaker 17: Twenty that would allow localities to do Sunday voting. Okay,
[2:04:35] Speaker 17: they didn't really want to do it, so a lot
[2:04:37] Speaker 17: of them to take it. Now it's mandatory.
[2:04:39] Speaker 1: There you go.
[2:04:39] Speaker 15: There, we have two because a lot of places that
[2:04:42] Speaker 15: got rid of sould to the polls.
[2:04:45] Speaker 11: Now we got early voting two Sundays before every electure. Okay,
[2:04:51] Speaker 11: and you know we got forty five day voted voting
[2:04:53] Speaker 11: here now and mail in. Those are all things we
[2:04:56] Speaker 11: did under our trumfector the first time.
[2:04:59] Speaker 2: And the point I've also raised that when you can
[2:05:02] Speaker 2: be start in twenty twenty, when you expand access to
[2:05:05] Speaker 2: the ballot, you were expanding the electorate. And Republicans have
[2:05:09] Speaker 2: actually been on record as saying if you expand the ballot,
[2:05:12] Speaker 2: we lose.
[2:05:14] Speaker 1: So they want few of folks voting.
[2:05:16] Speaker 17: You want to scare them.
[2:05:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, the last point when I said you have to deliver,
[2:05:23] Speaker 2: that's the other thing that what people have been critical
[2:05:27] Speaker 2: of Democrats in different places that folks run make promises,
[2:05:32] Speaker 2: don't deliver and then off excuses as to why they
[2:05:34] Speaker 2: couldn't do it.
[2:05:36] Speaker 11: Well, even if I wanted to backtrack on some of
[2:05:40] Speaker 11: the stuff, that those other thirty seven Virginia legislate. The
[2:05:46] Speaker 11: Viankongku's members, they bat l Louise Lucas, Don Scott and
[2:05:49] Speaker 11: Mami Locke and Luke Torrian. They're gonna hold me accountable,
[2:05:54] Speaker 11: Iron sharping Zion, We're gonna hold each other accountable. And
[2:05:57] Speaker 11: so this work that we're gonna do coming into the
[2:05:59] Speaker 11: next as you said, we have three constitutional amendments we're
[2:06:03] Speaker 11: gonna fit.
[2:06:04] Speaker 15: So you got reap that the rights, restoring photos to
[2:06:08] Speaker 15: the costs.
[2:06:08] Speaker 1: Ready, it was a third one, marriage equality, got it? Okay,
[2:06:11] Speaker 1: got it?
[2:06:12] Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, all right, we got to work cut out,
[2:06:15] Speaker 17: but we're gonna get it done.
[2:06:16] Speaker 1: All right. Last thing for you, look at that camera
[2:06:19] Speaker 1: right there. There's somebody who.
[2:06:20] Speaker 2: Is watching, who is listening, and they are saying, listen,
[2:06:24] Speaker 2: I don't care about no politics. It means nothing in
[2:06:26] Speaker 2: my life. My vote is a waste. I don't even
[2:06:29] Speaker 2: want to get regiship. What do you tell that person.
[2:06:32] Speaker 11: I'm telling that person get on in vote. Uh and
[2:06:34] Speaker 11: and and it's easy to just say get on the vote,
[2:06:37] Speaker 11: but don't don't take the work that people are doing
[2:06:41] Speaker 11: every day for granted, folks are hurting.
[2:06:44] Speaker 17: Whether that's healthcare. Rather that's housing.
[2:06:49] Speaker 11: And and once you get folks elected, they can do
[2:06:52] Speaker 11: the right thing by the bright people. And folks can
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[2:09:23] Speaker 2: don't see me wear your HBCU, that ain't my problem.
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