# All-White Jury Convicts Karmelo Anthony. Georgia Election Lawsuit. Tennessee Map Challenge Dropped.

An episode of [#RolandMartinUnfiltered](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1434424449), 10 Jun 2026, 2 h 18 min.

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6.9.2026 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: All-White Jury Convicts Karmelo Anthony. Georgia Election Lawsuit. Tennessee Map Challenge Dropped. _ For free and unbiased Medicare help, dial (724) 264-8281 to speak with my trusted partner, Chapter, or go to https://askchapter.org/roland *Paid Partnership* _ An all-white jury finds Karmelo Anthony guilty of first-degree murder in the stabbing death of Austin Metcalf. He is now awaiting his sentencing. Tennessee Democrats dropped their federal lawsuit challenging the state's new congressional map. A Black Georgia district attorney is suing the state over House Bill 369, which forces key local races to become nonpartisan. The DeKalb County District Attorney will be here to explain why she says the law selectively targets Democratic-leaning metro Atlanta counties, violating the Georgia Constitution. Black Star Network Partner: Chapter For free and unbiased Medicare help, dial (724) 264-8281 to speak with my trusted partner, Chapter, or go to https://askchapter.org/roland *Paid Partnership* Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options. ____ Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[0:02] Speaker 1: In in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in.
[0:45] Speaker 2: In Where on Tuesday, June nine, twenty twenty six, coming
[1:02] Speaker 2: up but Rollad Martin on Bultism to be live on
[1:05] Speaker 2: the Black Star Network. In All White, Texas jury finds
[1:09] Speaker 2: Carmelo Ampity guilty of first degree murder in the stabbing
[1:14] Speaker 2: death of Austin Metcha.
[1:16] Speaker 3: He is now awaiting the tendency would give you the
[1:18] Speaker 3: latest in this case.
[1:20] Speaker 2: Tennessee Democrats have dropped their federal lawsuit challenge in the
[1:24] Speaker 2: state's new congressional map.
[1:26] Speaker 3: What Gives a Black Georgia DA is suing the state over.
[1:30] Speaker 2: A House Bill three sixty nine, which forces key local
[1:34] Speaker 2: races to be non partisan to the cab.
[1:37] Speaker 3: County District Attorney will join us to explain why.
[1:40] Speaker 2: She says a loss of regularly targets Democratic leaning Metro
[1:44] Speaker 2: Atlanta counties and violates the Georgia Constitution.
[1:48] Speaker 3: But it's got heat on.
[1:49] Speaker 2: Capitol hearing doing the House to share a committee hearing,
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[2:40] Speaker 4: Let's go pete it whatever it is.
[2:45] Speaker 5: He's got the school, the fact to find Anna believes
[2:49] Speaker 5: he's right on time.
[2:50] Speaker 4: It is going best believe he's going.
[2:55] Speaker 6: Thanks Boston News to politics entertainment.
[2:59] Speaker 7: Just casey, he's so.
[3:07] Speaker 4: It's role in mot He's boy, she's real. The question, No,
[3:19] Speaker 4: he's rolling.
[3:49] Speaker 3: Guilty.
[3:50] Speaker 2: That is a decision of an all white jury in
[3:52] Speaker 2: a Dallas suburb in the case of Cromelo Anthony, who
[3:56] Speaker 2: was convicted of murder the stabbing death of Austin mit
[4:00] Speaker 2: ca took place at a track meet last year in
[4:03] Speaker 2: Colin County. It took the jury less than three hours
[4:08] Speaker 2: to find him guilty. Right now, they are now determining
[4:12] Speaker 2: a sentencing phase. Carmelo Anthony's mother pleaded with the jeors
[4:17] Speaker 2: to not sendence her son to a long prison sentence,
[4:21] Speaker 2: but the prosecutors say that's exactly what they want. Carmelo
[4:25] Speaker 2: Anthony is seventeen years old. It was a student with
[4:27] Speaker 2: a three point seven grave porn average when an escalated
[4:31] Speaker 2: fight escalated at attract met in Colin County. Austin metcal
[4:36] Speaker 2: and others approached under this tent and said that he
[4:39] Speaker 2: didn't belong there and ordered him to leave. Carmelo said, look,
[4:44] Speaker 2: don't touch me, and he reaches into his bag.
[4:46] Speaker 3: He had a knife in his bag.
[4:49] Speaker 2: And then when he was approached and was pushed by
[4:52] Speaker 2: Austin Metcalf that's when Carmelo Anthony pulled a knife out,
[4:55] Speaker 2: stabbed him in the chest and he fled. This case,
[5:00] Speaker 2: of course, has gotten lots of attention. Austin Metcalf White,
[5:04] Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony black. This of course was a very contentious trial.
[5:12] Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony did not testify in the trial. That was
[5:15] Speaker 2: the decision of the jewelry, and now of course it
[5:20] Speaker 2: goes into the hands of the jewors to determine his fate.
[5:27] Speaker 2: It is certainly a shocking turn of events. Illegal analyst
[5:31] Speaker 2: Thelma Anderson was in the courtroom and she went back
[5:34] Speaker 2: into the courtroom when there they said the jury out
[5:39] Speaker 2: to consider his fate. And so we will have her
[5:42] Speaker 2: live right here on Roland Martin unfiltered once she is
[5:45] Speaker 2: able to get out of court. The judge prohibited phones, computers,
[5:50] Speaker 2: and anything along those lines in the courtroom, even in
[5:53] Speaker 2: the courthouse, and so we'll be waiting to hear back
[5:56] Speaker 2: from her to get a sense of what is taking place.
[5:59] Speaker 2: It is certainly a stunning story of mil Anthony, a
[6:02] Speaker 2: very bright young man again with a bright future, and
[6:06] Speaker 2: now as a result of this decision, he is looking
[6:10] Speaker 2: at five to ninety nine years of life in prison.
[6:14] Speaker 2: I want to bring in my panel right now, doctor
[6:16] Speaker 2: Mustapha Santiago, I leave, former Senior Advisor for Environmental Justice
[6:20] Speaker 2: at the EPA, joining us from DC, the Bora g
[6:23] Speaker 2: Deia consultant and deployment specialists. Also from DC, George Cheney,
[6:26] Speaker 2: founder of jeyge strategists also from d C.
[6:29] Speaker 3: They have all three of you here testimony.
[6:33] Speaker 2: One of the individuals, Mustafa, said that one of the
[6:37] Speaker 2: coaches said to Carmelo that after this took place, he said,
[6:43] Speaker 2: your life will change forever.
[6:45] Speaker 3: That is certainly the case.
[6:48] Speaker 2: This of course took place a year ago, and here's
[6:50] Speaker 2: this young man seventeen years old, tried as an adult,
[6:54] Speaker 2: now found guilty of murder. And again now the fate
[6:59] Speaker 2: is in the juror's hand, in the judge's hands, like
[7:01] Speaker 2: we said, it could be as little as five years,
[7:04] Speaker 2: it could be as many as ninety nine years. Prosecutors
[7:07] Speaker 2: they want a long sentence. I would not be shocked
[7:11] Speaker 2: if they want a sentence of anywhere from thirty to
[7:13] Speaker 2: fifty years for Camello Anthony and certainly.
[7:18] Speaker 3: A sad, sad story.
[7:19] Speaker 2: A young man is dead and this young black man
[7:23] Speaker 2: life may be over before it even gets started.
[7:27] Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, both families are tragically impacted, and we
[7:31] Speaker 8: need to make sure that we call that out. You know,
[7:35] Speaker 8: we look at the statistics, right we know that unfortunately
[7:38] Speaker 8: half the men who are in prison right now are incarcerated,
[7:42] Speaker 8: whether in federal or state, dealing with life sentences.
[7:46] Speaker 9: Are our brothers, you know, African American men.
[7:50] Speaker 8: So and we also know that I think it was
[7:52] Speaker 8: the Prison Policy Institute once talked about that for black
[7:56] Speaker 8: men who are under twenty five, they have longer they're
[7:59] Speaker 8: often given law longer sentences than any other groups that
[8:03] Speaker 8: are out there.
[8:04] Speaker 9: So he's facing an uphill battle in.
[8:06] Speaker 8: The sense of the history of this country and how
[8:09] Speaker 8: sentencing is often more severe and relationship to our community.
[8:15] Speaker 8: And also, you know, even if it's twenty years or
[8:19] Speaker 8: thirty years, once you get out, you still got to
[8:21] Speaker 8: carry the stigma that's attached to being convicted of murder.
[8:28] Speaker 8: So the thing that I continue to do is to
[8:30] Speaker 8: pray right, pray for both sides of the family, but
[8:32] Speaker 8: also to understand the reality, unfortunately, of how we are
[8:37] Speaker 8: seen and how we are often given these longer sentences.
[8:43] Speaker 8: The last thing that I'll say, Roland is that we
[8:45] Speaker 8: also got to make sure that for our young men
[8:48] Speaker 8: who are out there often facing all kinds of difficult situations,
[8:52] Speaker 8: dealing with folks who maybe have bigotry or discrimination, We've
[8:56] Speaker 8: got to also make sure that they understand the choices,
[9:00] Speaker 8: the split second choices, the impacts that they can have.
[9:04] Speaker 8: We've got to learn to be able to de escalate
[9:06] Speaker 8: in these types of situations so that you can live
[9:08] Speaker 8: another day, but not just live another day, but live another.
[9:11] Speaker 9: Day free, so that you can be able to achieve
[9:14] Speaker 9: all the things that are in front of you.
[9:18] Speaker 2: The prosecutors say Zabora that it was Carmelo who provoked
[9:25] Speaker 2: the incident, even though it was Metcalf who shoved Carmelo,
[9:29] Speaker 2: and the DA said that a shove should not be
[9:33] Speaker 2: met with being stabbed in the chest. The defense said, hey,
[9:37] Speaker 2: he was defending himself when he was surrounded by Austen Metcalf,
[9:41] Speaker 2: his brother and several others, and they argue that this
[9:47] Speaker 2: was absolutely self defense.
[9:50] Speaker 10: Well, you know, I think that we have to look
[9:53] Speaker 10: at the history of how black men are charged in
[9:57] Speaker 10: the court of law and how they're not seen their
[10:00] Speaker 10: white can point parts would be right. I mean, at
[10:04] Speaker 10: the end of the day, this individual pushed him and
[10:08] Speaker 10: provokes him, so Carmelo should have been able to defend himself.
[10:12] Speaker 10: But they don't look at our black children like they
[10:15] Speaker 10: want us to look at their white children.
[10:17] Speaker 11: And we know that black.
[10:19] Speaker 10: Americans are arrested at higher rates. We know that our
[10:22] Speaker 10: defendants receive longer sentences, and we know that we are
[10:26] Speaker 10: not given benefit of the doubt. So this could have
[10:29] Speaker 10: easily been manslaughter versus murder. But the state is gonna overcharge.
[10:35] Speaker 10: The jury is not a jury of his peers. Everybody
[10:38] Speaker 10: in the jury were white, you know, so you don't
[10:40] Speaker 10: get the fair shot of this, this person actually being
[10:45] Speaker 10: innocent and too improve and guilty. I don't know that
[10:47] Speaker 10: there was enough evidence to show that it wasn't self defense,
[10:51] Speaker 10: and I don't think that Carmelo had a fair shot
[10:54] Speaker 10: at a trial on this when we know what history
[10:57] Speaker 10: has shown us. History has shown us that black males
[11:01] Speaker 10: are not treated in the same way that their white
[11:04] Speaker 10: counterpoints white teams would be treated in this instance. If
[11:08] Speaker 10: this was two black boys and one white boy, I
[11:11] Speaker 10: think the conversation would be a whole lot different. And
[11:13] Speaker 10: so I think we just need to really understand that
[11:16] Speaker 10: how race is playing in this situation, and how the
[11:19] Speaker 10: media has portrayed Carmelo as some thug or some refubd
[11:25] Speaker 10: that isn't you know, was up to no good, when
[11:28] Speaker 10: in reality, this was his school. These kids didn't go there.
[11:31] Speaker 10: It was a lot of different situations that could have
[11:35] Speaker 10: prevented this, And I just feel that, you know, we
[11:38] Speaker 10: need to really understand how the system is just having
[11:41] Speaker 10: a miscarriage of justice for our young black men.
[11:47] Speaker 2: Joy Yeah, as was dapphah said, a split second decision.
[11:52] Speaker 2: Now it's going to have lifelong consequences. The father, Alton
[11:57] Speaker 2: metcalf for gave Carmelo Anthony. Carmelo Anthony's parents obviously aggrieved.
[12:03] Speaker 2: According to witnesses, Carmelo once a jury verdict came down,
[12:08] Speaker 2: was crying uncontrollably and was shaking at the defense table.
[12:12] Speaker 2: That's what one would expect when a seventeen year old
[12:15] Speaker 2: bound for college here is that he is guilty of murder.
[12:20] Speaker 5: Right, I mean, this was a fight between two boys,
[12:22] Speaker 5: and I think for anyone out there listening, look at
[12:26] Speaker 5: your sons. I just my stepson just graduated from college, young,
[12:32] Speaker 5: life ful and ahead of him. I just I cannot
[12:36] Speaker 5: imagine either for Austin's parents or Carmelo's parents, these are,
[12:41] Speaker 5: you know, a fight between boys with long range consequences.
[12:46] Speaker 5: What I think is dissatisfying for all of us is that,
[12:50] Speaker 5: as we know, Carmelo deserves some punishment for what happened here.
[12:56] Speaker 5: Austin is paid the ultimate price for his role. We
[13:01] Speaker 5: know that race is playing a role here in the
[13:03] Speaker 5: charging the decision to go murder, and we pray that
[13:07] Speaker 5: there will be some mercy given. As we're looking at
[13:11] Speaker 5: the range here, surely the facts of this case trend
[13:15] Speaker 5: towards the lower end. You know, this is not someone
[13:19] Speaker 5: who is likely to reoffend. This is someone who can
[13:22] Speaker 5: be rehabilitated.
[13:23] Speaker 4: This is a life that can be saved.
[13:25] Speaker 5: And so I hope if Austin's parents truly have forgiven
[13:29] Speaker 5: Carmelo and truly understand that this was a fight that
[13:32] Speaker 5: got out of hand with immature young men, that he
[13:37] Speaker 5: will also speak and say, we don't want this to
[13:42] Speaker 5: be a double tragedy to be you know, amplified and
[13:48] Speaker 5: complicated by a long sentence that will be problematic for everyone.
[13:52] Speaker 5: This will be constantly something. Why not have this be
[13:56] Speaker 5: a story of redemption and second chances. I really pray
[14:00] Speaker 5: for that this case screams for that. Everything about it
[14:04] Speaker 5: seems to scream for that, and that it would just
[14:07] Speaker 5: be a loss to both families if this is some long, long,
[14:11] Speaker 5: unnecessary sentence here. This young man can be rehabilitated, He
[14:16] Speaker 5: can be he can serve his time, and he can
[14:18] Speaker 5: come out and be able to live a full life,
[14:21] Speaker 5: perhaps being able to share his lesson with other young men.
[14:25] Speaker 5: Calm down, don't you know necessarily have weapons on you
[14:30] Speaker 5: that are that are deadly, because a split second can
[14:34] Speaker 5: in someone else's life and effectively yours.
[14:39] Speaker 3: Bell maner legal analyst, joins us.
[14:41] Speaker 2: Right now, film give us a sense of what the
[14:45] Speaker 2: courtroom was like and also what is happening outside that courtroom.
[14:52] Speaker 12: First and foremost, the one thing that I would ask
[14:55] Speaker 12: for people to do at this moment is pray for
[14:58] Speaker 12: the Anthony family because they have been legally lynched for
[15:02] Speaker 12: the last.
[15:03] Speaker 7: Year and.
[15:06] Speaker 12: More so by this slaughter house of a courthouse, as
[15:10] Speaker 12: well as the family of the Metcalfs. So the energy
[15:16] Speaker 12: right now is their white supremacy. They have shown up
[15:21] Speaker 12: to be the pigs that they display with hate. They
[15:26] Speaker 12: are celebrating the loss of life and a loss of freedom.
[15:33] Speaker 12: So that's the energy. We have a devastated family who
[15:39] Speaker 12: didn't know that they was going to have to let
[15:41] Speaker 12: their son go back into a holdover because we have
[15:45] Speaker 12: an overzealous prosecutor who lied throughout this trial, who put
[15:49] Speaker 12: on liars as witnesses.
[15:53] Speaker 7: In order to be.
[15:56] Speaker 12: A saving grace for the white community so that they
[16:00] Speaker 12: can win an election. That's what it feels like right now.
[16:09] Speaker 2: The the what's happening right now is the jury right
[16:15] Speaker 2: now debating his sentency.
[16:20] Speaker 7: Yes, the jury is debating his sentencing right now.
[16:24] Speaker 12: We came out of sentencing, the opening and the closing
[16:30] Speaker 12: of both the defense and the state, and now the
[16:33] Speaker 12: jury is going to make a decision about what time
[16:38] Speaker 12: they are going to give him.
[16:45] Speaker 2: We've seen what the prosecutor has made. We're already seeing
[16:48] Speaker 2: the prosecutor make clear that he wants, uh it to
[16:51] Speaker 2: be a long sentence.
[16:58] Speaker 7: What I heard from this man today is indicative of.
[17:03] Speaker 12: Why it's important that it's people that look like us
[17:08] Speaker 12: that are in courtrooms like that. This man disregarded human
[17:13] Speaker 12: life the entire trial. He looked, he invoked race. He
[17:18] Speaker 12: equated Dallas County as being the ghetto, opposed to Frisco
[17:23] Speaker 12: being safe. They propaganda a photo of the deceased with
[17:29] Speaker 12: black people around praying saying this is community. They used
[17:33] Speaker 12: us as a prop in order to pitch their lynching.
[17:37] Speaker 12: This man has been known to be an over zealous
[17:40] Speaker 12: prosecutor when it comes to us. He don't he see
[17:44] Speaker 12: us as what was the statement at that free labor
[17:50] Speaker 12: that's what he see us as. So I'm not surprised
[17:54] Speaker 12: that this prosecutor, who has ethical, unethical, unethical background would
[18:00] Speaker 12: get up there and ask for the max when he
[18:04] Speaker 12: know that this was self defense.
[18:10] Speaker 2: For folks, say at the top Carmelo Anthony has been
[18:13] Speaker 2: found guilty in Colin Colin County courtroom. He faces anywhere
[18:18] Speaker 2: from five to ninety nine years in prison. The jury
[18:21] Speaker 2: right now is deliberating what the sentencing is. Thelma explained
[18:25] Speaker 2: to folks how Texas works. If the jury settles up
[18:30] Speaker 2: on a sentence, does the judge have to accept that sentence?
[18:34] Speaker 3: Can the judge offer his own sentence.
[18:38] Speaker 12: So in the state of Texas, when a defendant decides
[18:42] Speaker 12: if it gets the punishment, they get to pick if
[18:45] Speaker 12: they want to go before a judge or they want
[18:47] Speaker 12: to go before a jury.
[18:49] Speaker 7: There was no way in the guds.
[18:51] Speaker 12: Hell that this individual was going to his attorneys was
[18:55] Speaker 12: going to allow him to go to this judge based
[18:57] Speaker 12: off of his behavior.
[18:58] Speaker 7: So he went to the jury. The jury now determines
[19:02] Speaker 7: and they have the final say.
[19:04] Speaker 12: A judge cannot come and undo if he thinks that
[19:07] Speaker 12: it's too light if he do, that's another constitutional violation
[19:11] Speaker 12: that's appillable if he decides to overthrow what a jury
[19:16] Speaker 12: has decided, even though he's given him permission to do
[19:19] Speaker 12: their job. So whenever in a criminal justice, whenever in
[19:25] Speaker 12: a trial, they get to pick who sends them if
[19:28] Speaker 12: it gets to that point, and Carmelo Anthony selected the jury.
[19:32] Speaker 12: And let's hope that this judge who has been doing
[19:35] Speaker 12: any and everything behind closed doors that we don't see,
[19:38] Speaker 12: don't invade the province of the jury and allow them
[19:41] Speaker 12: to do their job.
[19:45] Speaker 2: All right, Phil Manison, which really appreciate it. Thanks a
[19:48] Speaker 2: bunch of wait to hear what this jury decides. All right, folks,
[19:52] Speaker 2: got to go to break. We'll be right back.
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[23:01] Speaker 2: Folks, I'm here in Atlanta, where a black Georgia da
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[23:12] Speaker 2: Cobb to cab Fulton and Gwinett Counties. I wonder why
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[23:19] Speaker 2: Sherry Boston held a news conference across from the state
[23:22] Speaker 2: Capitol and was joined by Cobb County DA, Sane Allen,
[23:25] Speaker 2: Clayton County DA, Tasha Mosley in Fulton County DA, Fannie
[23:29] Speaker 2: willis what do they all have in common? To detail
[23:33] Speaker 2: her lawsuit against House built three sixty nine, Boston joins
[23:38] Speaker 2: us right now, glad to have you here. Let's just
[23:41] Speaker 2: be real clear here. Republicans are up set share. They
[23:45] Speaker 2: keep losing in these counties. And this is Look, this
[23:50] Speaker 2: is very similar to what took place in Texas when
[23:52] Speaker 2: Republicans got tired of losing in Harris County. And so
[23:55] Speaker 2: whether they do they outlawed straight ballot voting all across Texas.
[24:00] Speaker 2: Uh and because they were tired of the title of
[24:03] Speaker 2: law losing there.
[24:03] Speaker 3: They still are losing there.
[24:05] Speaker 2: But in this case here so that they didn't say, well,
[24:08] Speaker 2: let's just make all races in the state non partisan.
[24:12] Speaker 2: They didn't say let's just make all DA races nonpartisan.
[24:17] Speaker 2: They chose specific counties.
[24:19] Speaker 18: Correct, Yes, they singled out five counties led by five
[24:26] Speaker 18: Democratic black women to change our election from partisan to
[24:32] Speaker 18: nonpartisan and left the other forty six district attorneys in
[24:36] Speaker 18: the state as partisan.
[24:42] Speaker 3: What was the I mean we did this show when
[24:45] Speaker 3: this happened.
[24:46] Speaker 2: What was the rationale given to to single out these
[24:51] Speaker 2: five counties and not only that? Is it only the
[24:55] Speaker 2: DA races? What about the sheriffs? What about the other
[25:00] Speaker 2: wide positions that are on the ballot.
[25:04] Speaker 18: Well the explanation Rulin made zero sense. But what they
[25:07] Speaker 18: said was they wanted to take politics out of public safety.
[25:16] Speaker 18: But my response was, well, that should mean the entire
[25:20] Speaker 18: state and not just these five counties. Last I checked,
[25:24] Speaker 18: public safety was important to the entire state of Georgia,
[25:28] Speaker 18: to all one hundred and fifty nine counties, and not
[25:31] Speaker 18: just these five. And so it's really ridiculous what we've seen.
[25:37] Speaker 18: But it does affect more than just the district attorneys.
[25:40] Speaker 18: Originally they just wanted to do the district attorneys, but
[25:43] Speaker 18: then they added in solicitor generals, which are misdemeanor elected
[25:48] Speaker 18: prosecutors in the state of Georgia, tax commissioner and superior
[25:52] Speaker 18: court clerks. Ironically the biggest public safety enforcer in those counties.
[26:00] Speaker 18: The sheriffs were left alone. They did not touch those races.
[26:07] Speaker 3: That's my whole point.
[26:08] Speaker 2: How can you say you want law enforcement to be nonpartisan,
[26:13] Speaker 2: but you don't change the shriff's position Okay, how about
[26:17] Speaker 2: this here there are judicial races where you actually have judges.
[26:21] Speaker 2: Are those races non partisan or they still partisan?
[26:26] Speaker 18: Well, our judicial races are across the state of Georgia nonpartisan,
[26:30] Speaker 18: and there's no delineation between which county or judicial circuit.
[26:35] Speaker 18: All judges are treated the same as they should be,
[26:38] Speaker 18: which is one of the backbones of our lawsuit that
[26:41] Speaker 18: this violates the equal protection clause under both the Georgia
[26:45] Speaker 18: and the US Constitution because you can't create a law
[26:49] Speaker 18: that treats a DA in these five circuits. And let's
[26:53] Speaker 18: just be clear, these are all represented by black women,
[26:57] Speaker 18: all democratic, and all have law black voting constituencies. So
[27:03] Speaker 18: you have to ask yourself, and I'm sure your viewers
[27:05] Speaker 18: are asking yourself, what is the real reason that they
[27:08] Speaker 18: made these changes? And we know it's because they wanted
[27:12] Speaker 18: to be more competitive and change the game in these
[27:17] Speaker 18: spaces where black voters for the most part, are electing
[27:23] Speaker 18: black women to lead them, and they've seen this change
[27:26] Speaker 18: across the Atlanta I was elected in twenty sixteen, and
[27:31] Speaker 18: so when I took office in January of twenty seventeen,
[27:34] Speaker 18: I was the only black female DA in the state
[27:38] Speaker 18: of Georgia. And now you can see as I stand
[27:42] Speaker 18: here in twenty twenty six surrounded by my other beautiful
[27:45] Speaker 18: metro Da sisters, that the landscape in Georgia has changed
[27:51] Speaker 18: and this is their way. If they can't win the race,
[27:54] Speaker 18: they want to change the rules of the game.
[28:00] Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, okay, So what is the So what is
[28:05] Speaker 2: the legal argument that you are making that you hope
[28:09] Speaker 2: that this.
[28:12] Speaker 3: Is accepted? And also is your lawsuit a state lawsuit
[28:16] Speaker 3: a federal lawsuit?
[28:19] Speaker 18: So our lawsuit has been filed in the state, so
[28:21] Speaker 18: it's pending in Fulton County Superior Court. And there are
[28:25] Speaker 18: three grounds to the lawsuit. First is violation of Georgia's
[28:30] Speaker 18: uniformity clause, meaning the legislature was not allowed to pass
[28:34] Speaker 18: any laws that created any differences between one county or
[28:41] Speaker 18: the other. And our Georgia Supreme Court has routinely held
[28:45] Speaker 18: that any laws created by the legislature that do that
[28:48] Speaker 18: is unconstitutional. The second is violation of equal protection under
[28:54] Speaker 18: the US and the Georgia Constitution. So in addition to
[28:57] Speaker 18: the fact that Georgia has this law that says there
[29:00] Speaker 18: needs to be uniformity, we're also saying that this law
[29:04] Speaker 18: that makes a distinction between the das and these five
[29:07] Speaker 18: counties and all the others is a violation of equal
[29:11] Speaker 18: protection because they haven't articulated a reason that that should happen.
[29:17] Speaker 18: And by the way, the law says, it's because we
[29:20] Speaker 18: have medical examiners in our counties instead of elected corners
[29:25] Speaker 18: like in the other counties. So that reason is not
[29:28] Speaker 18: connected to the rationale to make it partisan versus nonpartisan.
[29:34] Speaker 18: And then our third reason is that when the legislature
[29:37] Speaker 18: passed this law, they violated Georgia's Rejected Bill's clause. In
[29:42] Speaker 18: this case, this bill came up for a vote in
[29:46] Speaker 18: the Senate and it failed.
[29:48] Speaker 4: They didn't have enough votes to pass it.
[29:51] Speaker 18: So what they did after it failed was they went
[29:55] Speaker 18: and got another bill that had passed on food trucks,
[29:59] Speaker 18: stripped that bill, added this language in, and then put
[30:03] Speaker 18: it back for a vote without any type of committee hearings.
[30:06] Speaker 18: And the Georgia Rejected Bill's clause says when you put
[30:10] Speaker 18: a bill up and it fails in a particular chamber,
[30:14] Speaker 18: it has to pass in that chamber again not by
[30:17] Speaker 18: a majority, but by two thirds. And in this case,
[30:22] Speaker 18: not only did they not put it back up for
[30:25] Speaker 18: that critical vote. When it finally passed, it also didn't
[30:29] Speaker 18: have the two thirds vote. So we think we have
[30:32] Speaker 18: really good legal arguments, three strong constitutional reasons that our
[30:37] Speaker 18: Georgia Supreme Court and hopefully the Fulton County Superior Court
[30:41] Speaker 18: judge that here's this first, will determine that what the
[30:45] Speaker 18: legislature has done is unconstitutional.
[30:51] Speaker 3: Question this for my panel, Joy you first, I mean
[30:57] Speaker 3: this case.
[30:59] Speaker 5: We're not confused about what they're doing here, and I
[31:01] Speaker 5: know you aren't either, but it does seem that they
[31:05] Speaker 5: are just facially challenged here right, that this is going
[31:09] Speaker 5: to be an easy one.
[31:11] Speaker 4: So you've got to wonder, like, what is this about?
[31:13] Speaker 5: Is this about you know, punishing you all or making
[31:17] Speaker 5: a spectacle or like, because it doesn't feel like it
[31:20] Speaker 5: seems like they would know that this is going to
[31:22] Speaker 5: be easily challenged in court and that you all have
[31:27] Speaker 5: the full ability authority with the law behind you.
[31:29] Speaker 14: To do so.
[31:30] Speaker 5: So you know, is there something else you think is
[31:33] Speaker 5: going on here that may not be readily apparent? Is
[31:37] Speaker 5: it just racism or is it that they're also trying
[31:39] Speaker 5: to sort of inspire some kind of white supremacist movement there.
[31:44] Speaker 4: I'm just not sure what's going on.
[31:47] Speaker 18: I mean, these are all counties that have Democratic strongholds,
[31:51] Speaker 18: and they know that they can't change the fate of
[31:54] Speaker 18: our elections, that we are going to continue to be
[31:58] Speaker 18: elected by our community. I'm in my third term right
[32:02] Speaker 18: and I have the full support of my community, and
[32:06] Speaker 18: all of these women have been elected with the full
[32:09] Speaker 18: support of their communities, and so I think this is
[32:12] Speaker 18: absolutely a way for them to change the game, not
[32:15] Speaker 18: only by making it nonpartisan, but let me be clear,
[32:19] Speaker 18: when they change it to nonpartisan, it changes how we
[32:23] Speaker 18: can fundraise, it changes.
[32:25] Speaker 4: When people vote for us.
[32:27] Speaker 18: And so I think they're also trying to make it
[32:30] Speaker 18: more difficult for people like us to get elected and
[32:35] Speaker 18: easier for perhaps candidates of another persuasion to be elected,
[32:42] Speaker 18: and for voters to have less information because when they
[32:46] Speaker 18: go into the ballots, they no longer get to see
[32:49] Speaker 18: which candidate is upholding the values or the party values
[32:55] Speaker 18: that they align themselves with.
[33:02] Speaker 3: The BORA.
[33:04] Speaker 10: Thank you so much for your service for bringing this
[33:07] Speaker 10: lawsuit to the courts. My question is what kind of
[33:12] Speaker 10: long term legal or legislative safeguards can we do to
[33:16] Speaker 10: prevent these kind of selective election laws from happening and
[33:20] Speaker 10: use as political tools in the future.
[33:23] Speaker 18: Well, I'm hoping that this lawsuit can be a deterrent.
[33:27] Speaker 18: At the end of the day, our legislature gets together
[33:30] Speaker 18: every year, and we're always going to have people that
[33:34] Speaker 18: are trying to change the game.
[33:38] Speaker 4: We have to continue to vote.
[33:39] Speaker 18: On every election because guess what, every member of the
[33:43] Speaker 18: legislature and the governor who signed onto this bill are
[33:47] Speaker 18: all elected by the people. So we need to send
[33:49] Speaker 18: a strong message that we're not going to elect people
[33:52] Speaker 18: that are going to pass unconstitutional, racist, bigoted laws, that
[33:57] Speaker 18: we're not going to support people that are going to
[34:00] Speaker 18: take away our right to vote and try to take
[34:03] Speaker 18: away information that we need to vote. And following this
[34:07] Speaker 18: lawsuit for me is promise is made, Promise is kept.
[34:11] Speaker 18: I testified at the legislature about this bill, and I
[34:14] Speaker 18: promised that if it were passed and if it were
[34:17] Speaker 18: signed by the governor, that I would follow a lawsuit.
[34:20] Speaker 18: And everybody that knows me knows that I don't make
[34:23] Speaker 18: empty threats, and so when I said I was going
[34:25] Speaker 18: to do what I was going to do, I did it.
[34:27] Speaker 18: And I'm hoping that the legislature and this governor, if
[34:31] Speaker 18: they are still around when this is all said and done,
[34:35] Speaker 18: that they will know in the future that we're going
[34:38] Speaker 18: to fight, and we're going to fight tooth and nail,
[34:41] Speaker 18: and we're not going to roll over and just accept
[34:44] Speaker 18: these racist, unconstitutional, facially incorrect laws that they want to
[34:51] Speaker 18: put forth in the legislature.
[34:56] Speaker 3: We'll stoppul.
[34:59] Speaker 8: Yes again, thank you for your service and everything that
[35:01] Speaker 8: you're doing. It's really interesting that Governor Kemp would actually
[35:05] Speaker 8: sign off on this. I believe I haven't lived in
[35:07] Speaker 8: Georgia in a little while, but I think they're about
[35:10] Speaker 8: close to four million folks or in the counties that
[35:13] Speaker 8: we were talking about. I think there's one in three
[35:16] Speaker 8: of you know, various folks who live in the state
[35:19] Speaker 8: of Georgia.
[35:20] Speaker 11: So and there is talk, of.
[35:22] Speaker 8: Course that he has other ideas about running for a
[35:26] Speaker 8: office and you know, down the road. So this doesn't
[35:29] Speaker 8: make it seems kind of silly to actually move on
[35:34] Speaker 8: this and to sign this if you have other aspirations
[35:38] Speaker 8: down the road, because you know you're going to lose
[35:40] Speaker 8: in court, or more than likely you're going to lose
[35:41] Speaker 8: in court.
[35:44] Speaker 18: Well, the day after this law was signed by Governor Kemp,
[35:49] Speaker 18: he also signed the executive order for the special session
[35:53] Speaker 18: to go back in and redistrict our lines for our
[35:57] Speaker 18: congressional seats and for our legislative seats. So I don't
[36:01] Speaker 18: know what Governor's Kemp's aspirations are. We know he's term
[36:05] Speaker 18: limited here in Georgia, and he has been on a
[36:08] Speaker 18: list of people that might consider future office. And so
[36:12] Speaker 18: I do hope that the four million voters that live
[36:16] Speaker 18: in these five counties will remember that Governor Kemp could
[36:20] Speaker 18: have vetoed this bill. He could have let it become
[36:25] Speaker 18: law without putting his stamp on it. But what he
[36:28] Speaker 18: did in signing his name to this legislation was he
[36:32] Speaker 18: co signed it, and he signaled, I think, to the
[36:36] Speaker 18: rest of the legislature and elected officials and Republicans that
[36:41] Speaker 18: he supported this. And I'll be frank, I was very
[36:45] Speaker 18: disappointed with his decision. And I know that there were
[36:48] Speaker 18: many groups, many advocacy groups that wrote to him and
[36:52] Speaker 18: encouraged him to veto this bill, not just because it
[36:55] Speaker 18: was legally wrong and legally unconstitutional, but on the face
[36:59] Speaker 18: of it, the optics of it, it's just not the
[37:02] Speaker 18: right thing to do. But I think the governor's playing
[37:06] Speaker 18: to his base, and this is what the base. This
[37:08] Speaker 18: is what the Republican Party here in the state of
[37:10] Speaker 18: Georgia wanted to see.
[37:16] Speaker 2: All right, fan, well look we will be following this.
[37:19] Speaker 2: Keep us the breast of what happens with this lawsuit
[37:23] Speaker 2: da Share Boston.
[37:24] Speaker 3: Thanks a bunch, Thank you. All right, folks.
[37:30] Speaker 2: Lots of more to talk about, including Republicans still whining
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[37:37] Speaker 2: they don't say that when Republicans who won in California won.
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[42:24] Speaker 2: In Tennessee, a federal judge granted Democrats request to dismissed
[42:28] Speaker 2: their lawsuit against Tennessee's new congressional map voluntarily.
[42:32] Speaker 3: This decision comes.
[42:33] Speaker 2: After Judge William Campbell denied Democrats' motion for a temporary
[42:37] Speaker 2: restraining order. In May a Tennessee Democratic Party, along with
[42:40] Speaker 2: Congressman Steve Cohen, State Representative Justin Pearson, and Memphis community leaders,
[42:45] Speaker 2: filed a lawsuit against the state's new congressional voter districts
[42:48] Speaker 2: on May eighth. A lawsuit named Governor Bill Lee, Secretary
[42:51] Speaker 2: of State Trey Hargan, and Tennessee Coordinator of Elections Mark
[42:55] Speaker 2: Goins as defendants. The Planets had argued that the new
[42:58] Speaker 2: congressional map fringes on voters' rights and undermines the benefits
[43:02] Speaker 2: of political associations they have formed. Pearson released this statement,
[43:07] Speaker 2: while we believe our Tennessee Democratic Party federal registionating challenge
[43:11] Speaker 2: was just. All plaintifs were aligned and advised by attorneys
[43:15] Speaker 2: that dismissing our case to restore District nine to the
[43:18] Speaker 2: previous map was the best course of action given the
[43:21] Speaker 2: US Supreme Court's stance on Louisiana versus Kalay.
[43:25] Speaker 3: Pearson said, we.
[43:26] Speaker 2: Are open to exploring recourse in the future if the
[43:29] Speaker 2: legal landscape changes. House Speaker Mike Johnson the twice in
[43:34] Speaker 2: Peach criminally convicted. Well, then Chief Donald the con Trump's
[43:37] Speaker 2: puppet is pushing the ridiculously false narrative of fraud in
[43:41] Speaker 2: the Los Angeles mayor race. Oh, they're so upset because
[43:46] Speaker 2: Spencer Pratt, this Republican reality do no experience whatsoever, has
[43:53] Speaker 2: now come in third in the mayor race. Now keep
[43:56] Speaker 2: in mind, a Republican came in first in the gublatorial primary.
[44:03] Speaker 2: So just to be clear, Oh, Steve Hilton, his race
[44:07] Speaker 2: wasn't rigged, but Pratt's race was riagged. See it is
[44:14] Speaker 2: my new RAJ got him to admit that there's no
[44:18] Speaker 2: evidence of voter fraud.
[44:23] Speaker 20: I'm not saying it's rigged. I'm saying it stinks to
[44:24] Speaker 20: high heaven, and everybody knows that. Let's let's let's remove
[44:28] Speaker 20: the appearance of impropriety. Let's have what a concept, Let's
[44:32] Speaker 20: have votes on an election the day of the election.
[44:36] Speaker 20: That's what many states are able to do. I think
[44:38] Speaker 20: California is playing around with us.
[44:40] Speaker 11: But what evidence is there to prove that it was ringing?
[44:42] Speaker 20: I don't Some of these efforts are so diabolical and
[44:45] Speaker 20: so far upstream it is impossible to prove. But I
[44:47] Speaker 20: think everybody knows instinctively something is wrong here, and that's
[44:51] Speaker 20: a concern. We need people to believe in the integrity
[44:53] Speaker 20: of our election system.
[44:57] Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Gordon, So just just so weird not
[45:02] Speaker 2: confused here, Zibor. Republicans have won in California. Republicans have
[45:18] Speaker 2: won county sheriff's rates. These same people they won, and
[45:27] Speaker 2: it took this long for them to count ballots. So
[45:31] Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, this one guy, so this
[45:35] Speaker 2: one guy loses, but the other Republicans win, But the
[45:40] Speaker 2: whole election is rigged. It's sort of like when Donald
[45:43] Speaker 2: Trump said my election was rigged, but all the other
[45:47] Speaker 2: Republicans who won didn't say that.
[45:58] Speaker 10: Or we can look at this and we know that
[46:02] Speaker 10: when it comes down to Democrat leaning counties or states,
[46:09] Speaker 10: and they're not when they're winning, their quiet, but the
[46:12] Speaker 10: moment that it is favorable to Democrats, they are saying that,
[46:17] Speaker 10: you know, these elections are unjust and we must do this,
[46:20] Speaker 10: and it's diabolical and all of these things. But the
[46:23] Speaker 10: reality is when the favor is on your side, you're
[46:27] Speaker 10: quiet as a mouse. You have nothing to say, and
[46:30] Speaker 10: we know that you are only attacking these Democratic leaning spaces.
[46:35] Speaker 10: So the question is never about whether or not these
[46:38] Speaker 10: things are actually true, because we know that's not the case.
[46:42] Speaker 10: We know that your fight only gets louder and much
[46:45] Speaker 10: more aggressive when it's a Democrat leaning county or state.
[46:50] Speaker 10: When it comes to you making the rules up you
[46:53] Speaker 10: want to make. In Texas and other places like Louisiana,
[46:57] Speaker 10: it's fine. But in those places where you see that
[47:00] Speaker 10: there is a little bit of a democratic stronghold and
[47:04] Speaker 10: we are actually having some weaning in that area, you
[47:08] Speaker 10: have so much to say. We know that it's not
[47:10] Speaker 10: you really fighting for policies. You just fighting to get
[47:13] Speaker 10: your way and to be very loud about something that
[47:16] Speaker 10: is not an injustice for real.
[47:21] Speaker 3: I just I just sit here and laugh.
[47:23] Speaker 2: It's like, oh, yeah, well, you know, we can't find
[47:26] Speaker 2: any evidence musta for but you know, just common sense
[47:31] Speaker 2: is does it.
[47:33] Speaker 3: Pass the spell tests? What the hell are you talking about, dude.
[47:35] Speaker 2: I mean, everybody understands there's a process that they follow
[47:40] Speaker 2: when you drop ballots off, when the ballots comte come in,
[47:44] Speaker 2: how they check, how they want to be as thorough
[47:47] Speaker 2: as possible.
[47:47] Speaker 3: But this is just a joke.
[47:49] Speaker 2: These are nothing but Republican winers who are upset when
[47:53] Speaker 2: they lose.
[47:56] Speaker 4: When they lose, but they're also planning seeds.
[47:59] Speaker 9: So we should be very clear.
[48:00] Speaker 8: You know, this whole misinformation disinformation campaigns.
[48:04] Speaker 9: That they have, they're not just doing it.
[48:06] Speaker 8: So one, yes, their policies are are garbage, and yes,
[48:11] Speaker 8: the vast majority of Americans don't.
[48:13] Speaker 9: Want to vote for, you know, the vision that they
[48:15] Speaker 9: have for the country. But they also are very strategic
[48:19] Speaker 9: and slick with it. So let's not miss that part.
[48:23] Speaker 8: Because when they say that, you know, these processes that
[48:26] Speaker 8: folks have been falling for decades there in California, that
[48:29] Speaker 8: there must be something wrong, even though we can't prove it.
[48:32] Speaker 8: Then they overlay that in other parts of the country.
[48:35] Speaker 8: You've heard the president continue to say that there has
[48:39] Speaker 8: to have been something that happened in twenty twenty.
[48:43] Speaker 9: The reason that he lost. You lost because people didn't
[48:46] Speaker 9: want you anymore. That's why you lost.
[48:48] Speaker 8: But yet they'll continue to try and make it sound
[48:51] Speaker 8: like there was some funny business. The only funny business
[48:55] Speaker 8: is that you don't want people to actually be able
[48:58] Speaker 8: to vote for the candidates that they feel best represent them.
[49:02] Speaker 8: And when you look at this same set of talking
[49:04] Speaker 8: points in other parts of the country, then they give
[49:07] Speaker 8: justification for the Department of Justice to be able to
[49:10] Speaker 8: come in and take a look, or to have folks
[49:13] Speaker 8: who are monitoring, and all these other different types of
[49:16] Speaker 8: things they use to try to suppress the vote, because
[49:19] Speaker 8: if they plant these seeds in people's minds, some people
[49:22] Speaker 8: might say, well, you know what, I really don't want
[49:24] Speaker 8: to be a part of any of this foolishness, so
[49:25] Speaker 8: I'm not going to vote. So when they do these
[49:28] Speaker 8: types of things, I begin to pull back the veneer
[49:31] Speaker 8: to unpack it and ask the question, why are you
[49:33] Speaker 8: really doing it? Yeah, as I said before, your stuff
[49:37] Speaker 8: is whack. But there's a deeper part because they understand
[49:39] Speaker 8: what's going to happen in twenty twenty six, and they
[49:41] Speaker 8: also understand in twenty twenty eight they need to be
[49:44] Speaker 8: able to justify some of the actions that they might
[49:47] Speaker 8: consider taking after people have cast their votes.
[49:55] Speaker 5: Joy, So I'm going to down on that. As usual,
[50:03] Speaker 5: they tell the truth not on us, but on themselves.
[50:06] Speaker 5: Diabolical is right. This is not about the mayor's race
[50:10] Speaker 5: in LA or whatever. This is about taking any race
[50:13] Speaker 5: where you see maybe someone who looks differently than they think,
[50:17] Speaker 5: in this case, a black woman, you know, try to
[50:20] Speaker 5: make it, try to say that there was something inappropriate
[50:23] Speaker 5: that happened, or that she couldn't have possibly won. And
[50:26] Speaker 5: then what you do then is then you use that
[50:29] Speaker 5: as a reason to promote the Save Act.
[50:31] Speaker 4: But you can't get passed.
[50:33] Speaker 5: And even though you control the House and Senate, you
[50:35] Speaker 5: can't seem to get it across the finish line into
[50:37] Speaker 5: the President's desk because no one likes it, because they
[50:40] Speaker 5: know it's ridiculous to try to limit voting in this country,
[50:43] Speaker 5: and that it ultimately also have an impact on Republicans.
[50:47] Speaker 5: But you need example, so you make these things up,
[50:50] Speaker 5: you plant these lies, these seeds. It gives you a
[50:54] Speaker 5: false reason that you get some plausible reason in your
[50:59] Speaker 5: mind mind and in the minds of your voters to
[51:02] Speaker 5: you do not respect it that you think are stupid
[51:05] Speaker 5: because you fooled them.
[51:07] Speaker 4: In the past with these lies, and you use it.
[51:10] Speaker 5: It's a thread that you use to use the Department
[51:13] Speaker 5: of Justice, as Scotfa said, or to just simply undercut
[51:16] Speaker 5: elections you don't agree with the outcome of or to pass,
[51:22] Speaker 5: like I said, laws that would ultimately limit the access to.
[51:27] Speaker 4: The ballot box. That's what this is about. Forget what
[51:30] Speaker 4: he said. He's coming up with anything. If there is
[51:34] Speaker 4: a place in hell for liars, Mike Johnson is surely
[51:39] Speaker 4: a candidate for it. And which is too bad because
[51:43] Speaker 4: here previous to this was a good man.
[51:45] Speaker 5: But he has allowed Donald Trump to take him down,
[51:48] Speaker 5: and he is fooling his voters.
[51:51] Speaker 4: He does not respect you.
[51:52] Speaker 5: He thinks he can trick you into doing something that
[51:55] Speaker 5: you don't want to do and that will ultimately hurt you.
[51:58] Speaker 4: It is Republican also who vote.
[52:02] Speaker 5: Absentee on you know, early voting, et cetera. They don't
[52:06] Speaker 5: all vote on election day. So this is about how
[52:10] Speaker 5: to make elections accessible to all of us. And yet
[52:13] Speaker 5: he's willing to sacrifice his own voters because he believes
[52:17] Speaker 5: it'll disenfranchise more black and brown voters. This is diabolical.
[52:23] Speaker 5: This is a long term game. So it's not about
[52:25] Speaker 5: what he said about the mayor's race in LA. That
[52:28] Speaker 5: race is a secure race, is done, nothing was wrong
[52:31] Speaker 5: with it, and.
[52:32] Speaker 4: He doesn't even have any evidence about it. It's about
[52:35] Speaker 4: him setting up.
[52:36] Speaker 3: The growth for the next thing he needs to do.
[52:40] Speaker 14: Well.
[52:40] Speaker 2: Ba man, you said, I'm not gonna say he was
[52:43] Speaker 2: a good man before all of this because he wasn't.
[52:45] Speaker 3: So but you know you had that one, but I
[52:48] Speaker 3: ain't going that far. He's trash, all right.
[52:51] Speaker 2: Two stories out of Florida that shows you how insane
[52:55] Speaker 2: AI is. There's a Maga can it running for school
[53:01] Speaker 2: board Duval County school Board, and so he literally tried
[53:06] Speaker 2: to give black folks to believe that he had lots
[53:08] Speaker 2: of black supporters by using AI generated image. Local TV
[53:13] Speaker 2: station Action Newsjazz questioned Clarence James A by a series
[53:16] Speaker 2: of photos promoting a campaign fish fry at a local church.
[53:21] Speaker 2: James deleted an AI generated image from his Facebook page
[53:25] Speaker 2: after being questioned. Florida law in twenty twenty four, passed
[53:30] Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four made it illegal for candis to
[53:32] Speaker 2: use AI generated deep bakes and attack advertisements without clearly
[53:37] Speaker 2: disclosing that the content was artificially created. Okay, that's insane,
[53:45] Speaker 2: But this is the one that is even more insane.
[53:50] Speaker 2: And if you want to talk about just just what's diabolical,
[53:55] Speaker 2: check this out. A man named Jelil Richardson was jailed
[53:59] Speaker 2: in Florida because the police in Florida used AI to
[54:04] Speaker 2: identify identify a vehicle theft suspect. Okay, they looked at
[54:09] Speaker 2: Surveillan's video and identified the suspect. Jalil spent three months
[54:14] Speaker 2: in jail, lost his job, his home, and custody of
[54:19] Speaker 2: his kids. Except one problem. Jilil's never visited Florida. He
[54:29] Speaker 2: lives in North Carolina. His own time sheet shows he
[54:34] Speaker 2: was at work when the crown was committed, but they
[54:38] Speaker 2: did not check to see.
[54:43] Speaker 21: That.
[54:43] Speaker 2: Right, there is I believe beyond heinous Mustafa where.
[54:51] Speaker 3: This mand a identifies him.
[54:56] Speaker 2: He wasn't even in the state and he's lost a
[55:00] Speaker 2: whole lot. And I don't give a damn if it
[55:02] Speaker 2: was I don't give a damn if he was locked
[55:04] Speaker 2: up for one hour, not eight hours down a day.
[55:07] Speaker 2: This man was locked up for three months because AI
[55:11] Speaker 2: was wrong.
[55:14] Speaker 9: We have to be really careful with AI.
[55:16] Speaker 3: Right.
[55:17] Speaker 8: AI can be a tool, right, but some people are
[55:21] Speaker 8: making AI a deity because they believe everything that it says.
[55:26] Speaker 8: They believe that is infallible, that it doesn't make mistakes. Now,
[55:31] Speaker 8: when you take a look at facial recognition programs, I mean,
[55:34] Speaker 8: AI has been playing a big role in the background
[55:37] Speaker 8: of that, and when you look at some of the
[55:39] Speaker 8: data sets, they are biases that are built into some
[55:43] Speaker 8: of the data sets. So if you're going to continue
[55:46] Speaker 8: to move forward on AI, and there are some properly
[55:48] Speaker 8: positive applications, of course you're going to have to figure
[55:52] Speaker 8: out how you're going to one extract the negative that's
[55:58] Speaker 8: built in because the biases that existence side of our
[56:01] Speaker 8: society and AI trains based upon the information that it's given.
[56:06] Speaker 8: So if you have those biases that are there, then
[56:08] Speaker 8: they're incorporated into it. Second thing is that you don't
[56:12] Speaker 8: have to just double check you have to triple check
[56:15] Speaker 8: or maybe even add additional checkings, especially when you're playing
[56:19] Speaker 8: with people's lives and there are a number of different
[56:21] Speaker 8: applications of course we could talk about in relationship to
[56:24] Speaker 8: AI that could have huge impacts on people's lives. So
[56:29] Speaker 8: folks often don't want to do the work right before
[56:32] Speaker 8: we move forward on, you know, some of these new tools.
[56:34] Speaker 9: I'm not against twenty first century tools.
[56:37] Speaker 8: I am against us not doing our due diligence to
[56:41] Speaker 8: make sure that many of the biases from the past
[56:44] Speaker 8: are not brought forward into this next set of tools
[56:48] Speaker 8: that people are going to be relying on, because when
[56:50] Speaker 8: they do, you know, people lives will be impacted, whether
[56:55] Speaker 8: it's being in jail for an hour or three months,
[56:58] Speaker 8: or you know, maybe someday it may be for years.
[57:02] Speaker 8: We've got to do a better job, and that's why
[57:05] Speaker 8: there's got to be guardrails, and you've got to make
[57:07] Speaker 8: sure that these impacts that folks often don't think about
[57:12] Speaker 8: are addressed, along with the environmental impacts and job loss
[57:15] Speaker 8: and a number of other things that folks have raised
[57:18] Speaker 8: some concerns around.
[57:49] Speaker 2: One second, folks, I lost audio there, so I lost
[57:52] Speaker 2: a connection or do you have me back, Okay, gotchall right,
[57:59] Speaker 2: So I lost our connection. This this case is this
[58:06] Speaker 2: angers me. It angers me because and I can't y'all
[58:12] Speaker 2: might have seen it was it wasn't. There a documentary
[58:16] Speaker 2: on Netflix. It's a documentary on Netflix that dealt with
[58:21] Speaker 2: AI and they talked about the racial bias in AI.
[58:25] Speaker 2: And that's what this is about. This is what we're
[58:27] Speaker 2: dealing with right here. It's the racial bias in AI.
[58:30] Speaker 2: And look, AI is made. White people are the ones
[58:35] Speaker 2: who are largely creating these models. The bias is in there.
[58:39] Speaker 2: And I don't understand how in the hell I don't understand.
[58:43] Speaker 2: I literally don't how you can have used AI to
[58:48] Speaker 2: identify somebody who supposedly commits a crime and you don't
[58:54] Speaker 2: have as a part of your system a backup. I
[58:58] Speaker 2: don't understand that. I don't understand the backup, Like, how
[59:01] Speaker 2: do you say, oh, that's it. AI said they guilty,
[59:04] Speaker 2: that's it.
[59:09] Speaker 4: It's like, where's the oversight? They're using AI to check AI?
[59:16] Speaker 10: But the systems that are programming these algmorithic and facial
[59:21] Speaker 10: recognition technologies are systems that already have data that has
[59:28] Speaker 10: implicit bias embedded in it. The data is from systems
[59:32] Speaker 10: that we know are biased in identifying patterns, bias in
[59:38] Speaker 10: how over policing happens in the black communities, unequal arrest patterns.
[59:43] Speaker 10: You have all of these different data that is influencing
[59:47] Speaker 10: this AI. So how can your AI not have biases
[59:51] Speaker 10: embedded in it?
[59:53] Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
[59:54] Speaker 10: We know that they're going to be higher false positives
[59:58] Speaker 10: for black communities, and and say all of the things
[1:00:01] Speaker 10: that that man lost, from custody of his kid, to
[1:00:04] Speaker 10: his job, to all of these things, and you just
[1:00:07] Speaker 10: automatically assume that this black individual is guilty when they
[1:00:12] Speaker 10: have evidence in an alibi like this is one more
[1:00:17] Speaker 10: way that our justice system continues to.
[1:00:20] Speaker 4: Fill black and brown people.
[1:00:23] Speaker 10: And I just don't understand how you don't think to
[1:00:26] Speaker 10: make sure that you have some level of oversight.
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: Three months three months joy, the man lost his job,
[1:00:36] Speaker 2: the man lost his house, lost custody of his kids.
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: I'm showing everybody if I'm his attorneys, I'm suing the
[1:00:45] Speaker 2: police department, I'm sewing the city, I'm sewing the DA.
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: I'm swing the AI company as well. I'm showing the
[1:00:53] Speaker 2: vendor that sold them the software.
[1:00:57] Speaker 4: Correct.
[1:00:58] Speaker 5: There has to be accountability across aboard. This is what
[1:01:01] Speaker 5: people are afraid of. I do tech work in addition
[1:01:04] Speaker 5: to some other things. I can tell you when I
[1:01:06] Speaker 5: was at my son's college graduation this weekend. You know,
[1:01:10] Speaker 5: students were out there and they're booing AI. They're concerned.
[1:01:13] Speaker 19: Right.
[1:01:13] Speaker 4: We know this happened at other schools as well. That
[1:01:16] Speaker 4: there are a lot of fears around.
[1:01:17] Speaker 5: AI, and there's a lot of hope around it as well,
[1:01:21] Speaker 5: But our greatest fear is that it would create this
[1:01:25] Speaker 5: kind of result. Right, This is part of what the
[1:01:27] Speaker 5: Pope is talking about. That you see something that appears
[1:01:31] Speaker 5: to be true and you act on it. You know,
[1:01:34] Speaker 5: so you see something artificial that appears to be real,
[1:01:37] Speaker 5: but you act on it in actuality and in real life,
[1:01:40] Speaker 5: and it has consequences.
[1:01:42] Speaker 4: And so you know, three months, anything could have happened
[1:01:44] Speaker 4: to that man.
[1:01:45] Speaker 5: In three months, he could have had He's already had
[1:01:47] Speaker 5: long term consequences, but he could have lost his life.
[1:01:50] Speaker 5: You know, there are all sorts of things that can
[1:01:52] Speaker 5: happen to you and what result, what cure would we
[1:01:55] Speaker 5: have for that? So absolutely he needs remedy, but we
[1:01:58] Speaker 5: have to make sure that when we're creating these systems.
[1:02:01] Speaker 4: We have enough people at the.
[1:02:02] Speaker 5: Table that are thinking about all the ways that it
[1:02:06] Speaker 5: can be used for good but also for evil, so
[1:02:09] Speaker 5: that we can ward those things. Also that we can
[1:02:11] Speaker 5: get out in front of them, because it has to
[1:02:13] Speaker 5: cost the company a lot of money.
[1:02:15] Speaker 4: If not, they will.
[1:02:17] Speaker 5: Say, well, it's just an actual thing, you know, it's
[1:02:20] Speaker 5: the worth whatever benefit to have this cost toum.
[1:02:23] Speaker 4: No, they have to pay so royally, so painful. It
[1:02:28] Speaker 4: has to be so painful for them that they get
[1:02:31] Speaker 4: out in front of it.
[1:02:32] Speaker 5: Their shareholders are saying, why would you have been so
[1:02:35] Speaker 5: reckless here? There has to be consequences. And let me
[1:02:39] Speaker 5: just correct one thing you said. It's not white people.
[1:02:42] Speaker 5: It's white men in particular who are creating these AI systems.
[1:02:48] Speaker 4: And that are at the table right now. And I
[1:02:51] Speaker 4: say that because I.
[1:02:52] Speaker 5: Do gender work, and I can tell you AI also
[1:02:55] Speaker 5: have some dangers out there for women.
[1:02:57] Speaker 4: And it is because getting out in front of what.
[1:03:01] Speaker 5: Is going to ultimately be harmful and have some long
[1:03:06] Speaker 5: term consequences for us. So we need to have everyone
[1:03:10] Speaker 5: at the table creating these systems. That's why I'm glad
[1:03:13] Speaker 5: to see policymakers saying, look, we need to have the
[1:03:16] Speaker 5: whole of society being able to have some say and
[1:03:21] Speaker 5: how these technologies.
[1:03:23] Speaker 4: Are deployed and where they're deployed, and what are the backstops.
[1:03:30] Speaker 2: Indeed, this is just I mean, the man never even
[1:03:37] Speaker 2: went to the state. That's just unbelievable that this could happen.
[1:03:41] Speaker 2: But this is the craft that we're actually dealing with.
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[1:10:00] Speaker 23: The chronicles how the hard right has weaponized the levers
[1:10:03] Speaker 23: of government to weaken the political and economic power of
[1:10:07] Speaker 23: non rights immigrants, women, the lgbt Q plus community, religious minorities,
[1:10:14] Speaker 23: and the poor. The forces turning back hard won progress
[1:10:18] Speaker 23: against discrimination are unrelenting and unashamed. The SPLC, alongside many
[1:10:25] Speaker 23: civil rights groups and democracy defenders, is resisting them. To
[1:10:30] Speaker 23: American people of goodwill, especially those left out of the
[1:10:34] Speaker 23: American promise, your civic participation matters now more than any
[1:10:39] Speaker 23: time since the civil rights movement. Today, I'm joined by
[1:10:43] Speaker 23: several people who inspire our work. First, Miss Karen Finn
[1:10:48] Speaker 23: and her son Aaron are here. Aaron faced expulsion from
[1:10:53] Speaker 23: school for alleged conduct that was a manifestation of his disability.
[1:10:56] Speaker 23: Aaron lives with autism, and federal law prohibbits schools from
[1:11:01] Speaker 23: excluding students from behaviors connected to their disabilities.
[1:11:06] Speaker 11: We sued, and with his.
[1:11:07] Speaker 23: Mother's courage and dedication and his perseverance, Aaron graduated from
[1:11:11] Speaker 23: that school in twenty twenty three. Miss Tanya Gersh is
[1:11:16] Speaker 23: also here, a Jewish Montana mom. Gersh and her family
[1:11:21] Speaker 23: became the target of relentless anti Semitic harassment from white nationalists,
[1:11:26] Speaker 23: including threatening phone calls where all that could be heard
[1:11:29] Speaker 23: on the line was gunshots. With the Sinner's help, Gersh
[1:11:33] Speaker 23: won a fourteen million dollar judgment against the neo Nazi
[1:11:37] Speaker 23: who incited her harassers. We stand with Karen, Aaron, Tanya
[1:11:43] Speaker 23: and thousands we protect every day. Vannilu Hamer said, nobody's
[1:11:49] Speaker 23: free until everybody's free. The SPLC will continue our constitutionally
[1:11:55] Speaker 23: protected work to ensure everyone in this country is treated
[1:11:59] Speaker 23: with dignity, lives lives free of discrimination, and enjoys liberty
[1:12:05] Speaker 23: and opportunity to thrive. These promises of our democracy are
[1:12:09] Speaker 23: not self executing. They require our collective vigilance, and we
[1:12:14] Speaker 23: will continue to defend them when they come under attack. Finally,
[1:12:20] Speaker 23: I must note that I'm constrained in answering some questions
[1:12:22] Speaker 23: today because they may touch on matters involving pending criminal
[1:12:27] Speaker 23: litigation against the SPOC or conversations that I've had with counsel. Frankly,
[1:12:33] Speaker 23: this constrained is the result of the majorities injecting itself
[1:12:37] Speaker 23: into appending criminal matter three days after it was filed,
[1:12:41] Speaker 23: and then refusing our request to delay this hearing until
[1:12:44] Speaker 23: that case is resolved.
[1:12:46] Speaker 11: With that, I will answer what I can.
[1:12:52] Speaker 2: There's no shock that the most ignorant congressmen from Ohio,
[1:12:56] Speaker 2: Jim Jordan, chose to get into it with CEO fare.
[1:13:05] Speaker 24: Mister Fair.
[1:13:05] Speaker 25: Did the Southern probably Law Center use donor money to
[1:13:08] Speaker 25: have field sources attend extremist rallies.
[1:13:11] Speaker 24: Across the country?
[1:13:15] Speaker 25: Mister Chairman, It's a simple question. Did you use your
[1:13:18] Speaker 25: donor money for that purpose?
[1:13:21] Speaker 11: We used donor money, so yes or no?
[1:13:25] Speaker 23: A confidential informants to infiltrade extremist organizations.
[1:13:30] Speaker 25: Did the Southern Propaty Law Center use donor dollars to
[1:13:32] Speaker 25: have Field sources host extremist rallies throughout the country, not
[1:13:37] Speaker 25: to myrin knowledge.
[1:13:38] Speaker 24: So what the indictment says, did.
[1:13:39] Speaker 25: The Southern Privately Law Center use donor dollars to have
[1:13:41] Speaker 25: Field sources grow existing chapters of extremist groups? Mister Chairman,
[1:13:47] Speaker 25: as a question, mister fair, did you use donor money
[1:13:50] Speaker 25: for the purpose?
[1:13:51] Speaker 24: I just read this. I'm reading straight from the superseding indictment, and.
[1:13:54] Speaker 23: Mister Chairman, the indictment will be managed and responded to
[1:13:58] Speaker 23: by counsel in the criminal case.
[1:14:00] Speaker 25: That well, you just answered the question from mister Raskin
[1:14:02] Speaker 25: concerning the indictment. He asked you, did field sources send
[1:14:04] Speaker 25: information to the FBI that help with things? You answered
[1:14:06] Speaker 25: that question.
[1:14:07] Speaker 11: I know that's a matter of public note in our
[1:14:09] Speaker 11: public filing.
[1:14:10] Speaker 25: Did the Southern Private Law Center use donor money to
[1:14:13] Speaker 25: have Field sources create new chapters of extremist groups? Again,
[1:14:17] Speaker 25: mister Chairman, did the Southern Private Loss Center use donor
[1:14:20] Speaker 25: money to recruit new individuals into those extremist groups?
[1:14:26] Speaker 11: I assume you don't want me to answer, since you're
[1:14:28] Speaker 11: not giving me time to answer.
[1:14:29] Speaker 25: I'm giving you time to answer because I say yes,
[1:14:31] Speaker 25: did you use your donor's money for that purpose?
[1:14:34] Speaker 24: Yes?
[1:14:34] Speaker 19: Or no?
[1:14:35] Speaker 23: Again, those issues will be resolved in the pending allegations
[1:14:40] Speaker 23: against the SPLC.
[1:14:42] Speaker 24: Seems me if the answer is no, you could say no.
[1:14:45] Speaker 11: We have asserted that the allegations are false.
[1:14:47] Speaker 25: Did the Southern Private Law Center use donor money to
[1:14:50] Speaker 25: have field sources make donations to extremist group leaders and
[1:14:53] Speaker 25: purchase materials for cross burnings?
[1:14:56] Speaker 24: It's a legend, the indictment that it happened.
[1:14:58] Speaker 11: We've alleged that those are allegations are false.
[1:15:01] Speaker 25: Did Southern Probably Los Center use donor dollars to have
[1:15:03] Speaker 25: field sources create racist paraphernalia that that extremist group sold
[1:15:06] Speaker 25: at rallies.
[1:15:10] Speaker 11: We've alleged that those allegations are full.
[1:15:11] Speaker 24: Okay, how about this? What is Fox Photography?
[1:15:20] Speaker 11: Mister chairman.
[1:15:21] Speaker 23: What I've learned about Fox Photography, I've learned from Council
[1:15:26] Speaker 23: in conversations with council.
[1:15:28] Speaker 24: How about Northwest Technologies?
[1:15:30] Speaker 11: And they're covered by the attorney client privilege? I'm on?
[1:15:33] Speaker 24: These are these are well?
[1:15:35] Speaker 25: Did the Southern Probably Law Center establish shell companies to
[1:15:39] Speaker 25: pay to run the money through to then pay the
[1:15:41] Speaker 25: field sources.
[1:15:43] Speaker 23: Again, all of the allegations that you are referring to,
[1:15:49] Speaker 23: Chairman Jordan will be well, how about this responded to
[1:15:54] Speaker 23: by our council in the Middle District of Alabama.
[1:15:59] Speaker 25: Did you pay the field sources directly or did you
[1:16:02] Speaker 25: pay them through an intermediary?
[1:16:08] Speaker 23: Chairman Jordan yep, our council will respond to all the
[1:16:12] Speaker 23: allegations in the indictment in the case pending in the
[1:16:16] Speaker 23: Middle District.
[1:16:16] Speaker 25: Well, there's all these companies that you sent money to
[1:16:19] Speaker 25: Center Investigative Agency, not the CIA, but your CIA, Fox Photography,
[1:16:24] Speaker 25: Northwest Technologies, Tech Writers Group, Rare Books, Warehouses, Imagery, Linked,
[1:16:28] Speaker 25: J and J Electronics, and Kelly's Marine. And I just
[1:16:31] Speaker 25: want to know if that was the intermediate shell companies
[1:16:34] Speaker 25: that you guys set up to pay the field sources.
[1:16:36] Speaker 26: Is that true? Will the good chairman yield for just
[1:16:40] Speaker 26: a moment?
[1:16:40] Speaker 24: I got just a minute and a half and then
[1:16:41] Speaker 24: I'll be happy to entertain a question you may.
[1:16:45] Speaker 23: Our council will respond to all the allegations in the
[1:16:49] Speaker 23: Middle District of Alabama.
[1:16:50] Speaker 24: Okay, did you do it all for the money?
[1:16:57] Speaker 13: You said?
[1:16:58] Speaker 25: Now, I think the Southern probab Law Center said, you're
[1:17:00] Speaker 25: how long you're going to use these field sources, You're
[1:17:01] Speaker 25: going to stop the program. But you did it for
[1:17:03] Speaker 25: multiple years, and according to the indictment, it was four
[1:17:05] Speaker 25: million dollars that you shelled out to these various field
[1:17:07] Speaker 25: sources to engage in all the activities I just read.
[1:17:11] Speaker 24: Was it all about the money?
[1:17:12] Speaker 23: As we said in our public statement, Chairman Jordan, we
[1:17:15] Speaker 23: did it to protect our staff and to protect the public.
[1:17:19] Speaker 25: Did fundraising increase after paying people to stay in these
[1:17:22] Speaker 25: groups who actually wanted out of them? Did your fundraising increase?
[1:17:26] Speaker 25: Did the donations coming in increase?
[1:17:30] Speaker 11: Chairman Jordan. I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to when.
[1:17:34] Speaker 24: You said about this after the crazy Charlottes Field rally.
[1:17:37] Speaker 24: Did fundraising go.
[1:17:38] Speaker 11: Up, mister Chairman, our fund and raising.
[1:17:44] Speaker 24: Fundraising where one of your field sources helped coordinate transportation.
[1:17:47] Speaker 23: Fundraising went up when President Donald Trump was elected in
[1:17:51] Speaker 23: twenty sixteen.
[1:17:52] Speaker 24: Fundraising go up after you paid a field source to
[1:17:54] Speaker 24: coordinate the transportation at an event in Charlottesville where a
[1:17:57] Speaker 24: person was killed. That's what I'm asking. Did it go up?
[1:17:59] Speaker 25: Because what we know you went from fifty one million,
[1:18:02] Speaker 25: one hundred and thirty three million in one year.
[1:18:04] Speaker 11: And that happened when President Donald Trump was elected.
[1:18:10] Speaker 24: Who's the president of the National Socialist Party.
[1:18:16] Speaker 14: You know.
[1:18:19] Speaker 24: You paid him seventy thousand dollars. He was field source
[1:18:21] Speaker 24: number thirty. I just want to know who he is.
[1:18:23] Speaker 11: You know who he is, mister chairman.
[1:18:24] Speaker 23: That's an allegation in the indictment that will be responded
[1:18:29] Speaker 23: to by counsel in the Middle District of Alabama.
[1:18:32] Speaker 25: My time, he's inspired the chair now recognize as the
[1:18:35] Speaker 25: gentleman from New York.
[1:18:39] Speaker 2: All right, folks, Well, thank goodness. Colorado Congressman Joe Nagase
[1:18:43] Speaker 2: was there as well.
[1:18:44] Speaker 3: This is how what he had to say.
[1:18:49] Speaker 27: Thank you all of our witnesses for being here today
[1:18:52] Speaker 27: and for your testimony. Reviewed all of your written testimony
[1:18:54] Speaker 27: and appreciate the opportunity to ask him a couple of
[1:18:56] Speaker 27: questions about it. Mister Banker, you work for a alliance
[1:19:00] Speaker 27: defending freedom? Correct, Yes, sir, okay. I reviewed your written testimony.
[1:19:07] Speaker 27: Safe to say you disagree with the Southern Poverty Law
[1:19:10] Speaker 27: Centers designation of your group, right, we do, okay? And
[1:19:15] Speaker 27: based on your written testimony and based off some of
[1:19:17] Speaker 27: what I found on your website some deep resentment about
[1:19:20] Speaker 27: that designation.
[1:19:21] Speaker 28: Fair to say, sir, we don't resent them, We disagree
[1:19:24] Speaker 28: with them. Disagree with them.
[1:19:25] Speaker 27: Okay, Well, as I look at your testimony and as
[1:19:28] Speaker 27: I review your website, it is pretty clear that you
[1:19:30] Speaker 27: view Southern Poverty Law Center as an adversary or is
[1:19:34] Speaker 27: that a fair characterization?
[1:19:35] Speaker 29: We have disagreements with them on a number of issues,
[1:19:37] Speaker 29: including policy and otherwise.
[1:19:39] Speaker 28: That's how you would describe them, disagreements.
[1:19:41] Speaker 27: I mean, the words that you use to describe this
[1:19:44] Speaker 27: other poverty law center do not strike me as a
[1:19:46] Speaker 27: simple matter of disagreement. It seems pretty clear to me,
[1:19:49] Speaker 27: based on your website, based on your testimony, I don't
[1:19:52] Speaker 27: know why you'd be walking away from that now that
[1:19:54] Speaker 27: you vehemently disagree with a Southern poverty Law center that
[1:19:57] Speaker 27: you are pleased that they have been in you have
[1:20:01] Speaker 27: called I mean, this is from your recommendations for congressional
[1:20:05] Speaker 27: action direct the banking regulators to investigate ECOA and regulation
[1:20:09] Speaker 27: be compliance and institutions using SPLC linked vetting tools. Right,
[1:20:14] Speaker 27: so you're calling for investigations into the Southern Poverty Law Center.
[1:20:18] Speaker 27: That doesn't sound like something that you would do with
[1:20:20] Speaker 27: someone you disagree with. This is Mike wrong, a Congressman.
[1:20:25] Speaker 29: Anytime that a designation by a nonprofit that's politically unaccountable,
[1:20:30] Speaker 29: it's being used by federally regulated banks to discriminate based
[1:20:34] Speaker 29: on religious belief, that's something that the government should be
[1:20:37] Speaker 29: aware of.
[1:20:37] Speaker 28: And so I'm simply saying that.
[1:20:41] Speaker 27: I didn't expect to have this much of an extended
[1:20:43] Speaker 27: back and forth on the premise of the question. I
[1:20:46] Speaker 27: think that your bosses at Alliance Defending Freedom, if they
[1:20:48] Speaker 27: were testifying here, would say, we vehemently disagree with Southern
[1:20:51] Speaker 27: Poverty Law Center.
[1:20:52] Speaker 28: They're an adversary, they are an enemy.
[1:20:54] Speaker 27: We are glad that they have been indicted, and we
[1:20:58] Speaker 27: are calling for more investigations of them, which you did
[1:21:01] Speaker 27: in the written testimony that you provided to this committee.
[1:21:03] Speaker 27: Do you think it would be inappropriate to harness a
[1:21:08] Speaker 27: criminal prosecution of an entity to pursue the enemies of
[1:21:14] Speaker 27: your organization.
[1:21:15] Speaker 28: Would that be an inappropriate thing to do, well, Congressman. No,
[1:21:19] Speaker 28: that's yes or no question.
[1:21:20] Speaker 27: You can ask if it's if you don't think it's inappropriate,
[1:21:23] Speaker 27: you can say no.
[1:21:24] Speaker 29: If there's true criminal activity, then of course the government
[1:21:27] Speaker 29: has the right to investigate.
[1:21:28] Speaker 28: Sure, but if there's no criminal activity, you would be
[1:21:30] Speaker 28: wrong to do that.
[1:21:31] Speaker 27: Right, Well, it depends upon or as alten. Mister Binger,
[1:21:35] Speaker 27: this is why I asked a question. You are a
[1:21:37] Speaker 27: former attorney general. I think you know why I'm asking
[1:21:39] Speaker 27: you the question. You're a former deputy attorney general within
[1:21:41] Speaker 27: the Texas Office of Attorney General. You went to the
[1:21:45] Speaker 27: FBI and gave a whistleblower complaint about Ken Paxton, the
[1:21:50] Speaker 27: Attorney General of Texas.
[1:21:52] Speaker 28: You did so because you believed that there was criminal wrongdoing.
[1:21:55] Speaker 28: Let me read this quote.
[1:21:57] Speaker 27: In my view, the criminal process has been I had
[1:22:00] Speaker 27: been harnessed to pursue the business enemies of an individual
[1:22:04] Speaker 27: who also happen to be under intensive investigation by law enforcement.
[1:22:08] Speaker 27: That's your quote from an article a few years ago
[1:22:11] Speaker 27: after you went to the FBI about mister Paxton. It
[1:22:14] Speaker 27: is very clear that Alliance Defending Freedom and a wide
[1:22:17] Speaker 27: variety of other organizations that have been designated by the
[1:22:21] Speaker 27: Southern Poverty Law Center resent it, vehemently disagree with it,
[1:22:25] Speaker 27: have been demanding a criminal investigation and indictment of SBLC,
[1:22:29] Speaker 27: and they have now gotten their wishes from the president's
[1:22:32] Speaker 27: personal lawyer, who, of course, as we know, now serves
[1:22:35] Speaker 27: as the interim Attorney General of the United States.
[1:22:37] Speaker 28: And I just think it's important for us to be
[1:22:40] Speaker 28: candid about that.
[1:22:41] Speaker 27: I don't know if the Chairman agrees with you going
[1:22:45] Speaker 27: to the FBI about Ken Paxton. I'm not sure if
[1:22:48] Speaker 27: mister Gill or mister Roy or some of my colleagues here,
[1:22:52] Speaker 27: maybe they'll ask you a question or two about the
[1:22:54] Speaker 27: Republican Attorney General of Texas and why it was appropriate
[1:22:58] Speaker 27: for you to go to the FBI with allegations of wrongdoing.
[1:23:01] Speaker 28: I'm certainly glad that you did that.
[1:23:03] Speaker 27: I would tell you that, like you, the SPLC, as
[1:23:07] Speaker 27: I understand it, has gone to the FBI on many
[1:23:11] Speaker 27: occasions to provide the FBI with information about suspected criminal activity,
[1:23:18] Speaker 27: and in fact that criminal activity, the reported criminal activity
[1:23:22] Speaker 27: has ultimately been prosecuted, by the way, not by President
[1:23:26] Speaker 27: Biden's Justice Department, but by Donald Trump's Justice Department. And
[1:23:30] Speaker 27: the best example of this, which was brought up earlier,
[1:23:34] Speaker 27: was the potential mass terror attack at a synagogue in
[1:23:38] Speaker 27: Las Vegas.
[1:23:39] Speaker 28: And mister Fair, I think you've already attested to this,
[1:23:42] Speaker 28: but just to be clear.
[1:23:43] Speaker 27: Your organization gave information from a paid informant to the
[1:23:49] Speaker 27: FBI when Donald Trump was president, and Donald Trump's FBI
[1:23:55] Speaker 27: used that information to prosecute someone, to prevent them from
[1:24:00] Speaker 27: I'm engaging in this master attack.
[1:24:01] Speaker 26: Is that true?
[1:24:02] Speaker 11: This is correct?
[1:24:02] Speaker 28: That is correct. Thank you, mister Fair, Thank you, mister Banker.
[1:24:05] Speaker 28: Time of the gild back good, Wow.
[1:24:11] Speaker 3: That was good.
[1:24:12] Speaker 2: Now you know Texas congs from and Jasmin Krockett had
[1:24:14] Speaker 2: to bring the funk.
[1:24:15] Speaker 3: Check this out.
[1:24:17] Speaker 30: I hate that we have spent this much time, you know,
[1:24:20] Speaker 30: on SPOC, and we've not addressed the elephant in the room,
[1:24:24] Speaker 30: the literal elephant in the room, the vast majority of
[1:24:29] Speaker 30: the people on that side of the isle.
[1:24:31] Speaker 24: And for those of you that are at home, let
[1:24:33] Speaker 24: me tell you.
[1:24:34] Speaker 30: When I say that side of the isle, I'm talking
[1:24:36] Speaker 30: about the Republicans, the ones that brought this hearing. And
[1:24:38] Speaker 30: again you've heard that this is not the first hearing,
[1:24:41] Speaker 30: but the vast majority of them are white men. White
[1:24:44] Speaker 30: men are lecturing people of color because the vast majority,
[1:24:49] Speaker 30: actually any semblance of diversity comes from this side of
[1:24:52] Speaker 30: the aisle. You want to tell people of color who
[1:24:56] Speaker 30: is fighting for who?
[1:24:58] Speaker 4: People of color do not.
[1:24:59] Speaker 30: Feel comfortable or welcomed within your party. That's why you
[1:25:03] Speaker 30: have to parade someone who has the name doctor King
[1:25:07] Speaker 30: attached to them so that people can be confused, because
[1:25:09] Speaker 30: I have been reading the comments online and people are like,
[1:25:12] Speaker 30: who is this doctor King because you want them to
[1:25:15] Speaker 30: believe that somehow she espouses who Doctor King was. Yet
[1:25:19] Speaker 30: you've yet to have MLK the third come in here.
[1:25:23] Speaker 30: You've yet to have Doctor Bernice King, the ones that
[1:25:25] Speaker 30: were actually raised by Doctor King, the ones that actually
[1:25:29] Speaker 30: probably understand the teachings of Doctor King. And I just
[1:25:32] Speaker 30: want to be clear because I want to talk to
[1:25:34] Speaker 30: y'all about what the Doctor King had to say about racism,
[1:25:38] Speaker 30: so that y'all don't get it twisted and don't get
[1:25:40] Speaker 30: it confused just because you see the name sitting in
[1:25:42] Speaker 30: this room. Our nation was born in genocide when it
[1:25:46] Speaker 30: embraced the doctrine that the original American, the Indian, was
[1:25:51] Speaker 30: an inferior race. That was from his nineteen sixty three
[1:25:55] Speaker 30: book Why We Can't Wait. He also said, in the
[1:26:00] Speaker 30: final analysis, racism is evil because its ultimate logic is genocide.
[1:26:05] Speaker 30: If one says that I am not good enough to
[1:26:08] Speaker 30: live next door to him or to have a good
[1:26:11] Speaker 30: decent job or to go to school with him, merely
[1:26:14] Speaker 30: because of my race. He is saying, consciously or unconsciously,
[1:26:18] Speaker 30: that I do not deserve to exist. This was from
[1:26:20] Speaker 30: his nineteen sixty seven speech The Other America. So, just
[1:26:24] Speaker 30: to be clear, y'all don't seem like y'all even understand
[1:26:29] Speaker 30: what a hate organization is.
[1:26:31] Speaker 28: So I went to Google to help you out.
[1:26:33] Speaker 30: A hate group is an organized group whose beliefs, practices,
[1:26:37] Speaker 30: in primary purpose are centered on advocating malice, hostility, or
[1:26:41] Speaker 30: violence towards people based on their imitable race, religion, ethnicity, gender,
[1:26:47] Speaker 30: sexual orientation, or disability. So I know some of y'all are,
[1:26:54] Speaker 30: you know, caping for Charlie Kirk, because I hadn't heard
[1:26:58] Speaker 30: y'all talk about his organization over and over and over.
[1:27:01] Speaker 30: So I'm not going to play with anybody who's gonna
[1:27:03] Speaker 30: play with my time. So I'm going directly to miss McCord, professor,
[1:27:07] Speaker 30: let me put some respect on your name, all right.
[1:27:10] Speaker 4: If I see a black.
[1:27:12] Speaker 30: Pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.
[1:27:16] Speaker 4: Does that sound like a hater or not?
[1:27:20] Speaker 28: That sounds like a racial stereotype? Okay, sounds good to me.
[1:27:24] Speaker 30: We made a huge mistake when we.
[1:27:26] Speaker 28: Passed the Civil Rights Act in the mid nineteen sixties.
[1:27:30] Speaker 21: That sounds like someone who still adheres to racist views.
[1:27:35] Speaker 30: Okay, America has freedom of religion, of course, but we
[1:27:39] Speaker 30: should be frank large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat
[1:27:43] Speaker 30: to America.
[1:27:45] Speaker 21: That is, someone who can't accept that America is a multiracial,
[1:27:49] Speaker 21: multi religions place.
[1:27:50] Speaker 30: Okay, these all just happen to be comments from the
[1:27:54] Speaker 30: fearless leader of Turning Point USA, so I could see
[1:27:58] Speaker 30: where SBOS was going. I also think that it's so
[1:28:01] Speaker 30: interesting that right now, just for those sitting at home,
[1:28:04] Speaker 30: you may not know that Oversight is not having any
[1:28:07] Speaker 30: hearings right now because the Republicans don't want to deal
[1:28:09] Speaker 30: with Epstein file, so they have shut down all of
[1:28:12] Speaker 30: Oversight committee hearings. Right so, we've got an indictment for SPOC.
[1:28:18] Speaker 30: I have still yet to see an indictment on any
[1:28:21] Speaker 30: Epstein defendant, not a one. But okay, And we want
[1:28:26] Speaker 30: to talk about what happened in Charlotteesville, and we are
[1:28:29] Speaker 30: so upset about Charlotteessville all of a sudden, I would
[1:28:35] Speaker 30: be interested to know which one of you had something
[1:28:38] Speaker 30: to say about Charlotteesville when it happened, because I don't
[1:28:40] Speaker 30: think that y'all were saying those same things. In fact,
[1:28:43] Speaker 30: are fearless leader at the time said there were pretty
[1:28:45] Speaker 30: fine people on both sides. You were okay with the
[1:28:47] Speaker 30: tiki torches. You were okay with it. But I digress.
[1:28:51] Speaker 4: I'm gonna move on to Texas.
[1:28:53] Speaker 28: In my last twenty four seconds in.
[1:28:55] Speaker 30: Your testimony before the Texas House of Representatives, you read
[1:28:58] Speaker 30: aloud a series of messages between you and other whistleblowers
[1:29:01] Speaker 30: basically explaining the corruption happening directed by Attorney General Ken Paxton.
[1:29:05] Speaker 30: On page eighty two, lines five through eleven, you list
[1:29:08] Speaker 30: all the corruption that Kim Paxton directed you and others
[1:29:11] Speaker 30: to carry out, to quote, demanding that we investigate facially
[1:29:15] Speaker 30: bogus charges, refusing to take our advice that there is
[1:29:18] Speaker 30: no prosputable offense, demanding that we hire outside counsel, and
[1:29:22] Speaker 30: authorizing an improper fishing expedition.
[1:29:25] Speaker 28: Is that correct?
[1:29:28] Speaker 25: To TUCKI je, ladies expired gentlemen can respond if you
[1:29:30] Speaker 25: once my testimony from that preceding stands herself.
[1:29:35] Speaker 2: Now, you heard Colinsman Crockatt that referred to doctor King's children.
[1:29:41] Speaker 2: One of the folks you tested by I was doctor
[1:29:42] Speaker 2: Elvita King, the daughter of the late civil rights activist
[1:29:45] Speaker 2: Reverend eighty King. He was the brother of doctor King,
[1:29:49] Speaker 2: and she, of course doctor King's niece. She got into
[1:29:52] Speaker 2: a heated debate with Congressman Jamie raskinuh Ms.
[1:29:59] Speaker 31: McCord colleagues invoke the fact that the SPLC had an
[1:30:02] Speaker 31: informant and a white nationalist group at the infamous Unite
[1:30:06] Speaker 31: the Right rally in August of twenty seventeen in Charlottesville
[1:30:10] Speaker 31: as some kind of indictment of the SPLC. But didn't
[1:30:14] Speaker 31: that SPLC informant create the information that allowed the SPLC
[1:30:19] Speaker 31: to send three different FBI field offices a forty five
[1:30:23] Speaker 31: page memorandum warning of planned violence and the potential for
[1:30:28] Speaker 31: violence at this extremist confab.
[1:30:33] Speaker 28: That is the facts that have been represented in court.
[1:30:36] Speaker 31: Mister Fair, Is it true that the SBLC sent a
[1:30:39] Speaker 31: memo based on that informant's work to three different FBI
[1:30:42] Speaker 31: field offices.
[1:30:43] Speaker 11: Yes, it is okay.
[1:30:46] Speaker 31: The chairman spoke with some indignation about the fact that
[1:30:50] Speaker 31: there were three million or four million dollars spent giving
[1:30:53] Speaker 31: to undercover informants to try to expose the work of
[1:30:58] Speaker 31: the extremist groups, as in Charlottesville in twenty seventeen, where
[1:31:03] Speaker 31: Heather Hire was killed by a fanatic racist. How does
[1:31:08] Speaker 31: I'm just curious how the members of panel feel about
[1:31:11] Speaker 31: this proposed one point seven seven six billion dollar political
[1:31:16] Speaker 31: slush funds set up for the Proud Boys, the Oathkeepers,
[1:31:19] Speaker 31: and other convicted criminals and writers from January sixth. Do
[1:31:23] Speaker 31: you think that that fund should be shut down in
[1:31:27] Speaker 31: any other similar fund, mister Fair, Yes or no? Yes
[1:31:31] Speaker 31: I do, Doctor King, Do you agree that that should
[1:31:33] Speaker 31: be shut down?
[1:31:35] Speaker 32: I will not speak on whether that particular fund should
[1:31:38] Speaker 32: be any such fund, And I think some of these
[1:31:41] Speaker 32: slush funds that SPLC.
[1:31:43] Speaker 11: Is using okay.
[1:31:44] Speaker 31: But my question is about the one proposed by Todd
[1:31:47] Speaker 31: blanche It's a yes or no.
[1:31:49] Speaker 4: I will not answer.
[1:31:51] Speaker 26: Mister Banger, are.
[1:31:52] Speaker 32: You killing the babies and cutting the penises off? And
[1:31:54] Speaker 32: so any slush fund I have limited time we get
[1:31:57] Speaker 32: money in. That is the problem, mister Banger.
[1:32:00] Speaker 31: Do you believe that the one point seven to seven
[1:32:02] Speaker 31: six billion dollar political slush fund should be shut down
[1:32:06] Speaker 31: and any similar fund?
[1:32:07] Speaker 29: I think that's a question for Congress to answer.
[1:32:10] Speaker 31: Okay, And Professor McCord, what do you think should that
[1:32:13] Speaker 31: political slush fund be shut down?
[1:32:15] Speaker 26: Yes? And any similar slush fund?
[1:32:17] Speaker 28: Yes it should.
[1:32:17] Speaker 26: Okay.
[1:32:19] Speaker 31: So the conceit of the prosecution, this whole hearing, the
[1:32:23] Speaker 31: whole attack on the SPLC, is that there's some contradiction
[1:32:26] Speaker 31: between fighting against extremist hate and racism for decades and
[1:32:31] Speaker 31: then sending people undercovers informants to find out what these
[1:32:35] Speaker 31: groups are doing.
[1:32:36] Speaker 26: Do you agree that there's a contradiction, Professor McCord, I.
[1:32:41] Speaker 21: Agree that it is a very useful law enforcement tool
[1:32:45] Speaker 21: to use informants and cooperative cooperators to learn more not
[1:32:48] Speaker 21: just about hate groups and potential domestic violent extremism, but
[1:32:52] Speaker 21: also as a tool to dismantle drug trafficking groups and
[1:32:56] Speaker 21: human trafficking.
[1:32:57] Speaker 31: So if the FBI sent someone undercover to a mafia organization,
[1:33:02] Speaker 31: narco traffickers, international human traffickers, that wouldn't mean that the
[1:33:07] Speaker 31: FBI is supporting.
[1:33:08] Speaker 26: Those groups, would it.
[1:33:09] Speaker 28: That's correct?
[1:33:10] Speaker 26: Okay? As a matter of law.
[1:33:15] Speaker 31: And as a matter of fact, can you have a
[1:33:17] Speaker 31: criminal fraud if there are no victims of the fraud.
[1:33:23] Speaker 28: To have a criminal fraud?
[1:33:24] Speaker 21: You have to have made statements and fraudulently to induce
[1:33:28] Speaker 21: some activity, and if it did not induce some sort
[1:33:31] Speaker 21: of activity like a gift or donation, then.
[1:33:33] Speaker 31: There is no Well, what I don't understand is that suddenly,
[1:33:37] Speaker 31: out of the blue, there's a claim that the Southern
[1:33:39] Speaker 31: Poverty los Centers engaged in fraud. Because it's been extremely effective.
[1:33:44] Speaker 31: I wish it had been even more effective, for example,
[1:33:46] Speaker 31: in stopping the Oklahoma City bombing, where nearly two hundred
[1:33:50] Speaker 31: people were killed in an act of fanatical white nationalism,
[1:33:54] Speaker 31: but it's been quite effective. I don't know of any
[1:33:56] Speaker 31: group that's been more effective, other than potentially the FBI
[1:34:00] Speaker 31: itself in stopping extremist white violence.
[1:34:04] Speaker 26: Well, do you believe that.
[1:34:10] Speaker 31: It is an act of fraud when the donors to
[1:34:13] Speaker 31: the group understand perfectly well that people are being sent
[1:34:17] Speaker 31: undercover to try to get information on what these groups
[1:34:19] Speaker 31: are doing.
[1:34:23] Speaker 21: If donors were not defrauded, and no donors have come
[1:34:27] Speaker 21: forward to my knowledge suggesting that they were unaware of
[1:34:31] Speaker 21: what the SBOC doing, that was doing, that program has
[1:34:33] Speaker 21: been known for a long time, and so that creates
[1:34:36] Speaker 21: a problem.
[1:34:37] Speaker 31: I mean, it just seems to me amazing to be
[1:34:40] Speaker 31: alleging or fraud when there are no victims. When I
[1:34:42] Speaker 31: just looked up the Trump University case, there are hundreds
[1:34:45] Speaker 31: and hundreds of people coming forward screaming the high Heaven
[1:34:48] Speaker 31: about how they'd been ripped off and exploited by this
[1:34:51] Speaker 31: fake university and they won twenty five million dollars.
[1:34:54] Speaker 32: So do you pay the same people to do the
[1:34:56] Speaker 32: bomb and then go and comfort the people from being bombed?
[1:34:59] Speaker 26: You pay the same people to do both jobs. That's
[1:35:01] Speaker 26: kind of fraud to me.
[1:35:02] Speaker 32: That's weird and chaotic and confusing.
[1:35:05] Speaker 31: Well, doctor King, I don't think there's any allegation that
[1:35:07] Speaker 31: anybody who was working with the Southern Poverty Loss Center
[1:35:09] Speaker 31: bombed anyone.
[1:35:10] Speaker 26: Do you have information to that effect, because.
[1:35:12] Speaker 32: I don't personally. But outside agitators did bomb our house
[1:35:16] Speaker 32: in sixty three and then ran back and took off
[1:35:18] Speaker 32: the klu Klus plans sheets and put on police things
[1:35:21] Speaker 32: that ran up in the yard.
[1:35:22] Speaker 26: Well, that's the Sillon people.
[1:35:24] Speaker 4: It was crazy.
[1:35:24] Speaker 31: I'm with you, and that's a statement about the racism
[1:35:26] Speaker 31: of that police force working with the coupe.
[1:35:29] Speaker 32: Y'all pay both of.
[1:35:30] Speaker 26: Them to do the double jobs. S PLC does really.
[1:35:33] Speaker 32: You hire them to do the bombing.
[1:35:35] Speaker 26: Then you're asserting a lot of things.
[1:35:37] Speaker 31: I mean, that's where doctor King, you're asserting a lot
[1:35:39] Speaker 31: of things under oath, and you haven't brought the evidence
[1:35:41] Speaker 31: with you.
[1:35:41] Speaker 13: So I get some for you.
[1:35:43] Speaker 26: Okay, please, but bring us the evidence and I'll go
[1:35:45] Speaker 26: back to you. Mister Church, I'm.
[1:35:50] Speaker 3: Well stoppa, I'll get some for you. What did this
[1:35:56] Speaker 3: all goes?
[1:35:57] Speaker 2: To show you how nuts the Trump DJ is. Southern
[1:36:00] Speaker 2: Poverty Law Center has infiltrated. They've been able to get
[1:36:04] Speaker 2: sources to reveal what's happening in these hate crime groups,
[1:36:08] Speaker 2: and these folks are mad. Maybe that's because white domestic
[1:36:11] Speaker 2: terarians are Republican voters.
[1:36:15] Speaker 8: You know, SBLC has been doing amazing work for decades
[1:36:19] Speaker 8: upon decades. If they didn't exist, we know that hate
[1:36:21] Speaker 8: crimes are still at all time high, but if it
[1:36:23] Speaker 8: wasn't for them, the numbers probably would be even higher.
[1:36:26] Speaker 8: We also know that domestic terrorism is still a significant threat.
[1:36:29] Speaker 8: That's not Mustafa saying it. That is law enforcement that
[1:36:32] Speaker 8: continues to say it. And if you didn't have an
[1:36:34] Speaker 8: organization like SPLC, you know, then we know that we
[1:36:38] Speaker 8: could have even greater sets of impacts that are going
[1:36:41] Speaker 8: on out there. The last thing is you know folks
[1:36:45] Speaker 8: know who they're bringing to testify. I mean, I work
[1:36:49] Speaker 8: for John Conyers when the chairman of the Judiciary Committee,
[1:36:52] Speaker 8: So there's no accident. When you have somebody who is
[1:36:57] Speaker 8: under oath spouting things without proof, you have to be
[1:37:02] Speaker 8: very careful about that because that can always come back
[1:37:05] Speaker 8: to bite you. So I always want to honor my elders.
[1:37:07] Speaker 8: But at the same time, an elder or anybody else
[1:37:10] Speaker 8: has no business, you know, sharing and false information. So
[1:37:15] Speaker 8: if you're about misinformation disinformation, I'm gonna hold you to
[1:37:19] Speaker 8: the same level of accountability as I would someone else.
[1:37:25] Speaker 2: It's insane to me, is the board that what actually
[1:37:29] Speaker 2: should be insane because if you defended January sixth of
[1:37:33] Speaker 2: the Domestic terroris there's no shock that you would be
[1:37:35] Speaker 2: angry and tother probably law Center.
[1:37:40] Speaker 10: If you have proof presented, and stop performing politics. Stop
[1:37:45] Speaker 10: acting as if white supremacists isn't violent. Isn't it's something
[1:37:50] Speaker 10: we're imagining or the thread of domestic extremism, it's something
[1:37:55] Speaker 10: that's imagined. These things are happening, and if you're going
[1:37:58] Speaker 10: to use your power to dis mantle our organizations that
[1:38:02] Speaker 10: track these hate groups and bring these hate groups down,
[1:38:05] Speaker 10: then that burden of proof should be extremely high. You
[1:38:08] Speaker 10: shouldn't just be able to throw blank accusations with no
[1:38:12] Speaker 10: proof at a wall. This is ridiculous and we see
[1:38:17] Speaker 10: it happening every day.
[1:38:18] Speaker 4: They are doing their best to dismantle all of the.
[1:38:21] Speaker 10: Civil rights organizations that are fighting for the rights of
[1:38:24] Speaker 10: us and it's just not right and we need to
[1:38:28] Speaker 10: we need oversight. The Oversight Committee is not coming to play.
[1:38:32] Speaker 10: We have so much going on and to bring these
[1:38:36] Speaker 10: accusations with no proof is just really insane.
[1:38:41] Speaker 5: Joy is the fact that they're being attacked right now,
[1:38:49] Speaker 5: and so frankly, go spl PLC. We know that they
[1:38:55] Speaker 5: have been infiltrating groups in order to bring a light
[1:38:59] Speaker 5: and to dis mantle white supremacy groups.
[1:39:01] Speaker 4: That is why they are being attacked.
[1:39:03] Speaker 5: They are being attacked because this Republican Party has decided
[1:39:06] Speaker 5: to cast its lot with bigots. They are against the
[1:39:09] Speaker 5: future of a multiracial society and they feel that they
[1:39:14] Speaker 5: can entice white voters to support them with this white
[1:39:17] Speaker 5: supremacist message. So the question is, if you are a
[1:39:20] Speaker 5: Republican voter out there, you're still supporting this party, you're
[1:39:24] Speaker 5: supporting white supremacy, Southern Property Law Center. They'll be all
[1:39:28] Speaker 5: right in the end. But the attack here is because
[1:39:31] Speaker 5: they are effective, not because they have done anything illegal.
[1:39:35] Speaker 5: I have absolutely no doubt that they will be proven
[1:39:41] Speaker 5: to be correct in this case, and whatever things need
[1:39:44] Speaker 5: to be cured will be done well, that will happen.
[1:39:47] Speaker 5: But really, what this is about is attacking those who
[1:39:50] Speaker 5: are a threat to white supremacy.
[1:39:54] Speaker 3: Yep, that is exactly the case.
[1:39:56] Speaker 2: All right, folks, Let's go to South Carolina where Republicans
[1:39:59] Speaker 2: there are seeking to frankly defund South Carolina State after
[1:40:07] Speaker 2: they rescinded the invitation for the mag Lieutenant Governor Pamela
[1:40:11] Speaker 2: Yvette to speak at commencement. Now, Republican lawmakers there again
[1:40:15] Speaker 2: are discussing pulling back funding from the state's only publicly
[1:40:18] Speaker 2: funded HBCU. South Carolina State Representative South Carolina State University
[1:40:23] Speaker 2: Representatives se SU alumni and former se SU board member
[1:40:26] Speaker 2: Hamilton Grant joins, us, uh.
[1:40:29] Speaker 3: Is what's crazy here? Okay, so this is the state school.
[1:40:35] Speaker 2: You're mad that the state that the institution took the position,
[1:40:41] Speaker 2: UH announced because students were protesting. Others were protesting and
[1:40:44] Speaker 2: so therefore uh university administration pull this. Uh So, basically
[1:40:51] Speaker 2: what they're saying is, screw taxpayers, screw all the black
[1:40:56] Speaker 2: people in South Carolina who give who paid taxes to
[1:40:59] Speaker 2: the state. We're going to act like some petulant children
[1:41:03] Speaker 2: and now deprive South Carolina State of needed resources because
[1:41:07] Speaker 2: our feelings are hurt.
[1:41:10] Speaker 17: Absolutely, and thank you for having me Roland. I think
[1:41:12] Speaker 17: Republicans forget that South Carolina State University is a school,
[1:41:17] Speaker 17: which means the buildings that our campus are owned by
[1:41:20] Speaker 17: the state of South Carolina. So in their attempt to
[1:41:24] Speaker 17: try to withhold funding at some kind of action of retaliation,
[1:41:29] Speaker 17: they are in since holding money from themselves, right, and
[1:41:33] Speaker 17: so I think they failed to remember that that hurting
[1:41:36] Speaker 17: South Carolina State University from holding back funds is actually
[1:41:40] Speaker 17: going to hurt them as well. And when you look
[1:41:43] Speaker 17: at the names of those individuals that are on that letter,
[1:41:47] Speaker 17: these are all people that are auditioning to be the
[1:41:51] Speaker 17: potential running mate of the Lieutenant governor. We'll see how
[1:41:54] Speaker 17: tonight's primary election results go, but all of them want
[1:41:59] Speaker 17: to be in a position about power because they see
[1:42:02] Speaker 17: Lieutenant Governor Evett as a front runner. So Listen, when
[1:42:06] Speaker 17: this came up last time, and those same people made
[1:42:09] Speaker 17: those calls and we came back to discuss a portion
[1:42:12] Speaker 17: of the budget, there were zero amendments added to the desk,
[1:42:17] Speaker 17: So they weren't even serious about this. This is political
[1:42:19] Speaker 17: theater and we got to stop playing games with our
[1:42:22] Speaker 17: universities when it comes to funding.
[1:42:27] Speaker 2: Okay, the reality is they could actually do this, and
[1:42:32] Speaker 2: so how are you and others fighting back to make
[1:42:35] Speaker 2: sure the South Carolina state doesn't get penalized.
[1:42:39] Speaker 17: We're doing everything we can to fight back, Roland, and
[1:42:42] Speaker 17: the reality is you're right, they could try to pull
[1:42:45] Speaker 17: our bluff on this, which is why we need to
[1:42:48] Speaker 17: make sure that after tonight's primary results, we keep the
[1:42:51] Speaker 17: momentum going into November. The only way that we can
[1:42:54] Speaker 17: stop this from happening is make sure that Democrats flip
[1:42:58] Speaker 17: seats in these in these contested races across the.
[1:43:01] Speaker 4: State of South Carolina.
[1:43:03] Speaker 11: I'm the co chair of the HBCU Caucus.
[1:43:05] Speaker 17: I've advocated for more money for our private HBCUs through
[1:43:10] Speaker 17: heap funds. I've advocated for more funding for South Carolina
[1:43:14] Speaker 17: State University because, after all, with the Biden administration sending
[1:43:18] Speaker 17: letters to our governor. We are owed over five hundred
[1:43:23] Speaker 17: million dollars due to eighteen ninety money that has not
[1:43:26] Speaker 17: been matched by the State of South Carolina. Much how
[1:43:28] Speaker 17: Tennessee State sent a letter to their governors saying they
[1:43:32] Speaker 17: were owed over two billion dollars. So we're typing this
[1:43:35] Speaker 17: whole conversation again about removing funds from the budget of
[1:43:39] Speaker 17: South Carolina State. But I believe that there are good
[1:43:41] Speaker 17: people who are in the House of Representatives, who are
[1:43:44] Speaker 17: in the Senate that recognize the potential of South Carolina
[1:43:47] Speaker 17: State University. And just as we said no to Donald
[1:43:50] Speaker 17: Trump are redistricting, they'll say no to this terrible idea
[1:43:53] Speaker 17: of defunding South Carolina State University.
[1:43:58] Speaker 3: What do you want the public to do?
[1:44:02] Speaker 17: I want the public to understand that what this is
[1:44:05] Speaker 17: doing is hurting not only to students, but it is
[1:44:09] Speaker 17: hurting the economic impact of the state of South Carolina.
[1:44:12] Speaker 17: When you look at the greatness of South Carolina State
[1:44:15] Speaker 17: University and what we produce in terms of our JROTC,
[1:44:19] Speaker 17: the Bulldog Battalion, and how many officers that we put
[1:44:21] Speaker 17: into the military second behind West Point. When you look
[1:44:24] Speaker 17: at our athletics and we lead the state for NFL
[1:44:28] Speaker 17: Hall of Famers, when you look at our accredited engineering program,
[1:44:32] Speaker 17: when you look at all the people like Congressman Clyburn
[1:44:35] Speaker 17: who are graduates of South Carolina State University, taking away
[1:44:39] Speaker 17: from the schools funding will hurt the state. What we
[1:44:43] Speaker 17: are to the United States of America in various capacities
[1:44:47] Speaker 17: helps build the profile of South Carolina, and taking money
[1:44:51] Speaker 17: away does not help these students. And so what I
[1:44:53] Speaker 17: want the public to understand is apply pressure. We see
[1:44:56] Speaker 17: what pressure can do in redistricting. We put out all
[1:45:00] Speaker 17: hands on deck call to make sure that everybody voted
[1:45:03] Speaker 17: on the first day of early voting, and over fifty
[1:45:06] Speaker 17: six thousand South Carolinians, which ultimately made it hard for
[1:45:10] Speaker 17: Republicans to move forward. When we see that kind of
[1:45:13] Speaker 17: engagement happening with our people, particularly with African Americans, we
[1:45:17] Speaker 17: understand that things can be stopped. And so why we
[1:45:20] Speaker 17: have this fueled re engagement and sense of energy in
[1:45:24] Speaker 17: the state of South Carolina. Let's look past redistricting and
[1:45:27] Speaker 17: let's also look at all of the other things that
[1:45:29] Speaker 17: are happening in this state, from funding to our HBCUs,
[1:45:33] Speaker 17: healthcare to everything in between. So let's keep applying the pressure.
[1:45:37] Speaker 9: And let them know we're not having that in South Carolina.
[1:45:42] Speaker 3: All right, Van Amboton Grant, We really appreciate it. Thanks
[1:45:44] Speaker 3: a lot, Thank you, Roland.
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[1:49:27] Speaker 7: So that's where I started from.
[1:49:29] Speaker 6: And then during COVID, I pivoted to add in the
[1:49:32] Speaker 6: stationary items. So I started with notebooks at that point.
[1:49:36] Speaker 6: And now we've expanded and I've had over two hundred
[1:49:39] Speaker 6: products and also two hundred different designs.
[1:49:44] Speaker 3: Wow wow, And so how how how has it grown.
[1:49:52] Speaker 7: Business?
[1:49:52] Speaker 6: Actually, I've been in business over eight years now, which
[1:49:55] Speaker 6: is really a testament to the power of the black dollar.
[1:49:59] Speaker 6: Black women are my primary audience, and we know in
[1:50:02] Speaker 6: twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six the economy has
[1:50:06] Speaker 6: not been favorable to black women, but yet black women
[1:50:09] Speaker 6: still manage to support me. So I've seen business before COVID,
[1:50:12] Speaker 6: during COVID, and after COVID. So we actually, like I said,
[1:50:16] Speaker 6: we pivoted during COVID, business grew by I would say
[1:50:20] Speaker 6: five hundred percent during COVID, But since this last administration
[1:50:24] Speaker 6: took over, business has declined. But again that's due to
[1:50:28] Speaker 6: what's going on with black women, So I recognize that.
[1:50:31] Speaker 6: But still we've been able to manage and business is
[1:50:34] Speaker 6: going fairly well.
[1:50:38] Speaker 3: All right, then questions from my panelist, So wore you first?
[1:50:45] Speaker 10: I love Lisa Frame too, so I got to be
[1:50:47] Speaker 10: the black girl that supports you. My question to you
[1:50:50] Speaker 10: is do you have any other pivots you're thinking about
[1:50:54] Speaker 10: going into When it comes to stationary like planners.
[1:50:56] Speaker 4: Or anything like that.
[1:50:59] Speaker 6: I've been thinking of a planner for a wild Planners
[1:51:03] Speaker 6: come with a lot of cost, so I have to
[1:51:05] Speaker 6: decide between like a monthly spread, a weekly spread, or
[1:51:09] Speaker 6: a daily spread.
[1:51:10] Speaker 10: So there are a lot of different options.
[1:51:12] Speaker 6: I'm not to the point here where I can offer
[1:51:14] Speaker 6: multiple options, so basically doing a little bit more of
[1:51:17] Speaker 6: market research and determining what my audience wants.
[1:51:21] Speaker 4: But yes, that is definitely in the lineup for products
[1:51:24] Speaker 4: to come.
[1:51:30] Speaker 3: Joy.
[1:51:33] Speaker 5: I love the products that you have. I look forward
[1:51:36] Speaker 5: to discovering the more. It's what I love about this segment.
[1:51:39] Speaker 5: I discover brands I haven't you know, discovered before.
[1:51:42] Speaker 4: You know who's picking you up? And apologies if.
[1:51:45] Speaker 5: You said it, I'm having a little difficulty.
[1:51:47] Speaker 4: I might have missed it.
[1:51:48] Speaker 5: Beyond you know, the Blackstar Network, what other vendors where else?
[1:51:54] Speaker 3: You know?
[1:51:54] Speaker 4: Are you being placed right now?
[1:51:58] Speaker 6: I'm primarily online through my website Copper and Brands dot net,
[1:52:03] Speaker 6: and also I'm on shop red Bag and also black
[1:52:06] Speaker 6: Star Network at this point. I have been in some
[1:52:09] Speaker 6: major retailers in the past, but not right now. I've
[1:52:13] Speaker 6: been featured on several different morning shows and also had
[1:52:16] Speaker 6: product placement on several different sitcoms as well.
[1:52:22] Speaker 3: Well.
[1:52:22] Speaker 5: I'm just gonna follow up to say, I hope that
[1:52:24] Speaker 5: you're hiding all the sororities and links at all those
[1:52:28] Speaker 5: vendors conferences throughout this year and in future years, because
[1:52:33] Speaker 5: I know they'll be eating up your products.
[1:52:37] Speaker 6: I previously held licenses for well over fifty HBCUs. I'm
[1:52:42] Speaker 6: a Spellman woman, so my first notebook was a Spellman notebook,
[1:52:46] Speaker 6: and I've covered, like I said, well over fifty HBCUs
[1:52:49] Speaker 6: and that was huge.
[1:52:50] Speaker 3: For my company. Yeah, we'll stoppa.
[1:52:56] Speaker 8: Yeah, well, congratulations. I love the vibrancy of your imagery,
[1:53:00] Speaker 8: of your images that you have. Can you talk a
[1:53:02] Speaker 8: little bit about how you make.
[1:53:04] Speaker 9: The choices of what you're going to bring forward?
[1:53:08] Speaker 14: Yes.
[1:53:09] Speaker 6: So I'm not an artist, so I do have a
[1:53:11] Speaker 6: team of artists, but I come up with all the
[1:53:13] Speaker 6: color schemes, the ideas and everything, and I just look
[1:53:16] Speaker 6: at our village y'all, look at our community, and I
[1:53:19] Speaker 6: see what we want or what we need. I pride
[1:53:21] Speaker 6: myself on predicting what people need before they even know
[1:53:24] Speaker 6: they need it.
[1:53:25] Speaker 4: So I'm trying to fill in the gaps in that manner.
[1:53:27] Speaker 6: So of course I have notebooks or products for teachers,
[1:53:31] Speaker 6: for women in health care, and also just products that
[1:53:35] Speaker 6: bring positivity. I feel like we have a lot of representation,
[1:53:38] Speaker 6: but not necessarily positive representation, and I always want to
[1:53:42] Speaker 6: put out something that's affirming and positive and uplifting to
[1:53:45] Speaker 6: our community because there's not enough of that available, all.
[1:53:53] Speaker 2: Right, folks, So go to shop I want you to
[1:53:55] Speaker 2: go to shop Blackstartnetwork dot com. If you go to
[1:53:58] Speaker 2: the website, you'll see all of the various products right
[1:54:04] Speaker 2: there that's on the website.
[1:54:06] Speaker 3: So check out copper and brass paper goods by.
[1:54:09] Speaker 2: Going to shop Blackstarnetwork dot com and stock up on
[1:54:14] Speaker 2: stationery and all the other items that Ariel has there.
[1:54:18] Speaker 3: We certain appreciate it. Thanks a lot, good luck, thank you.
[1:54:21] Speaker 4: I appreciate it, all.
[1:54:24] Speaker 3: Right, folks.
[1:54:25] Speaker 2: We often talk about the importance of voting on this show,
[1:54:30] Speaker 2: and we try to connect the dots and make it
[1:54:32] Speaker 2: plain and get people to understand how these things work. Well,
[1:54:37] Speaker 2: what happens when a preacher incorporates that concept into his sermon.
[1:54:43] Speaker 3: And just makes that whole thing playing.
[1:54:45] Speaker 2: Well, that's what Alfred Street Baptist Church senior and Pastor
[1:54:50] Speaker 2: Howard John Wesley did.
[1:54:51] Speaker 3: And YO, check this out.
[1:54:55] Speaker 15: You want to know who really betrays you. People who
[1:54:59] Speaker 15: see what's happening is wrong and they're too scared to
[1:55:03] Speaker 15: say it's wrong. You know who sells you out? People
[1:55:10] Speaker 15: who know that shouldn't be happening. To you, but say
[1:55:12] Speaker 15: says it ain't happened to me. I'm just gonna mind
[1:55:14] Speaker 15: my business.
[1:55:15] Speaker 26: You know who sells you out?
[1:55:17] Speaker 15: Folk who were elected to keep a balance of power,
[1:55:20] Speaker 15: but they are so afraid of presidential retaliation that they
[1:55:24] Speaker 15: just go along to get along and will not call
[1:55:27] Speaker 15: out evil and in morrow and unconstitutional.
[1:55:31] Speaker 33: They are quiet where they ought to be using their voice.
[1:55:39] Speaker 33: We've been sold out by folk who will.
[1:55:42] Speaker 9: Not use their voice.
[1:55:47] Speaker 15: Now, before you get a twisted and think I'm just
[1:55:49] Speaker 15: talking about some cowardly congress or some scared Senate, or
[1:55:55] Speaker 15: some jittery justices.
[1:55:57] Speaker 3: I'm not just talking about them.
[1:56:00] Speaker 15: I'm talking about us, because some of us have betrayed
[1:56:06] Speaker 15: us by not using our voice in.
[1:56:09] Speaker 26: Order to help us.
[1:56:11] Speaker 24: If you don't vote, you have sold us out.
[1:56:22] Speaker 15: If you sit at home talking about you don't like
[1:56:25] Speaker 15: either candidate, and the Democrats and Republicans ain't doing nothing.
[1:56:30] Speaker 26: For you, and you stay at home, you have betrayed us.
[1:56:35] Speaker 15: If the only time you voted was to make marijuana.
[1:56:38] Speaker 26: Legal, you sold us out.
[1:56:47] Speaker 15: And I came under assignment today to raise up some
[1:56:51] Speaker 15: Christians with some godly courage who are not afraid to
[1:56:57] Speaker 15: open your mouth and declare that this is not of God,
[1:57:01] Speaker 15: this is not holy.
[1:57:03] Speaker 26: This is not just, this is not right.
[1:57:07] Speaker 28: I need some folks that ain't scared to let the
[1:57:10] Speaker 28: Lord position.
[1:57:11] Speaker 26: You and then use you to open your mouth? Can
[1:57:25] Speaker 26: I push it?
[1:57:28] Speaker 14: Says?
[1:57:28] Speaker 13: Some made you angry?
[1:57:29] Speaker 26: Let me make you mad.
[1:57:31] Speaker 13: There are eight more standing around who say nothing.
[1:57:35] Speaker 15: And because they don't say anything, the only voices we
[1:57:40] Speaker 15: hear are Ruben and Judah.
[1:57:43] Speaker 13: Y'all sell me.
[1:57:47] Speaker 33: They say nothing, so Ruben.
[1:57:49] Speaker 26: And Judah are the only voices they hear.
[1:57:53] Speaker 15: More time, brother nickings, they say nothing, so Ruben and Judah.
[1:57:57] Speaker 26: Get to represent them, because.
[1:58:05] Speaker 15: When you don't say anything, they get to pick who
[1:58:10] Speaker 15: represents you. Come, come here, Come here, And everybody can't
[1:58:17] Speaker 15: speak for us. Listen, if you ain't got no melanin
[1:58:22] Speaker 15: in your skin, closure ear real quick a some tan folk,
[1:58:25] Speaker 15: let me tell you something. All your skin folks ain't
[1:58:27] Speaker 15: your kinfolk. And everybody who's your color ain't your kind.
[1:58:33] Speaker 26: And everybody who look like you ain't with you.
[1:58:37] Speaker 14: And some people can't speak for us.
[1:58:38] Speaker 13: And that is part of the problem of where.
[1:58:40] Speaker 15: We sit today, because we have been misrepresented by celebrities
[1:58:44] Speaker 15: and entertainers who've been manipulated by money to stand on
[1:58:48] Speaker 15: a counterproductive agenda and have become pemped false representatives.
[1:58:53] Speaker 26: Of who we are.
[1:58:54] Speaker 15: I must say it again, and before I take something
[1:58:56] Speaker 15: from it, I might add to it. We have been
[1:58:59] Speaker 15: misrepris by celebrities and entertainers who've been manipulated by money
[1:59:05] Speaker 15: to betray.
[1:59:05] Speaker 13: Their own people.
[1:59:10] Speaker 3: Said.
[1:59:11] Speaker 33: Since I quoted Doctor King, let me quote Brother Malcolm.
[1:59:19] Speaker 33: Brother Malcolm said this.
[1:59:20] Speaker 15: Only in the Black community do we allow our entertainers
[1:59:24] Speaker 15: to be presented as our political leaders when they are
[1:59:28] Speaker 15: uninformed and ignorant.
[1:59:30] Speaker 26: Let me say that again.
[1:59:31] Speaker 13: Only in the Black.
[1:59:32] Speaker 15: Community do we allow entertainers to be presented as political leaders.
[1:59:39] Speaker 15: So I came by to declare, I don't care what
[1:59:42] Speaker 15: celebrity status you have. If your opinion is uninformed, you
[1:59:47] Speaker 15: don't speak for me.
[1:59:49] Speaker 28: I don't care if your album went.
[1:59:51] Speaker 15: Platinum, if you got a Heisman Trophy, if you signed
[1:59:56] Speaker 15: a contract to be a football commentator, if you make
[2:00:00] Speaker 15: people laugh, it doesn't mean you make sense. And just
[2:00:13] Speaker 15: because you were cute in the nineties with your little
[2:00:16] Speaker 15: R and B group.
[2:00:26] Speaker 22: Does not mean you get to speak for me.
[2:00:31] Speaker 26: I came buy to declare to you today and.
[2:00:32] Speaker 14: Y'all can disagree if you want.
[2:00:34] Speaker 15: I'm just of the mindset that if you ain't got
[2:00:36] Speaker 15: no receipts, you should.
[2:00:38] Speaker 26: Sit down and be quiet.
[2:00:39] Speaker 15: If you ain't done nothing for black folks, if you've
[2:00:42] Speaker 15: never helped us, if you never supported our colleges, if
[2:00:46] Speaker 15: you never poured into a young person, if you've never mentored,
[2:00:50] Speaker 15: you don't have receipts, and you should shut up.
[2:01:00] Speaker 2: Go ahead, capl Howard, John Wesley Bull Stop he said
[2:01:09] Speaker 2: a whole lot there, Yes he did.
[2:01:14] Speaker 9: He dropped truth on folks. And that's what we need
[2:01:16] Speaker 9: more of.
[2:01:17] Speaker 8: Folks who are you know, in our religious institutions, but
[2:01:21] Speaker 8: every day folks.
[2:01:22] Speaker 9: Also, you have a voice. You got to use your voice.
[2:01:25] Speaker 8: And since I first came onto the network, I have said,
[2:01:28] Speaker 8: you have power unless you give it away, and we
[2:01:31] Speaker 8: need to stop giving our power away.
[2:01:36] Speaker 3: Absolutely joy.
[2:01:39] Speaker 5: You know, Roland, one of the things I love about
[2:01:41] Speaker 5: your show is you speak truth to power.
[2:01:44] Speaker 4: It is the individual out there who didn't vote.
[2:01:48] Speaker 5: It is the celebrity who is being paid to disenfranchise
[2:01:53] Speaker 5: and lead people astray. It's our civil rights leaders sometimes
[2:01:57] Speaker 5: who don't do all the things that they need to do,
[2:02:01] Speaker 5: and are you know sometimes more interested in being invited
[2:02:05] Speaker 5: to the table than they are turning it over. It's
[2:02:08] Speaker 5: all of that and if there's any benefit from this
[2:02:11] Speaker 5: season where we've been presented with Donald Trumps, that we
[2:02:15] Speaker 5: have to see, you know where we need work in
[2:02:18] Speaker 5: all spaces.
[2:02:19] Speaker 4: It's not just white people that are a problem. It's
[2:02:21] Speaker 4: not just white men that are a problem. It's sometimes
[2:02:24] Speaker 4: us and it's our comfort.
[2:02:26] Speaker 5: Level that's our problem, and the fact that we left
[2:02:29] Speaker 5: a lot of people behind and we're too afraid to
[2:02:31] Speaker 5: speak out on their behalf and tell the truth because
[2:02:34] Speaker 5: we wanted to protect our own comfort.
[2:02:36] Speaker 4: And that even includes me. So right now we have
[2:02:40] Speaker 4: a second chance. The Lord has given us a second
[2:02:42] Speaker 4: chance and we have to use it. We have to
[2:02:45] Speaker 4: use our voice.
[2:02:48] Speaker 2: You'd better be in this or you better be in
[2:02:50] Speaker 2: this game, or trust me, it will be played on Usabar.
[2:02:56] Speaker 10: I find myself remembering every old sam my grand father said.
[2:03:00] Speaker 10: If you fall or if you don't stand for something,
[2:03:03] Speaker 10: you fall for anything. And we have to understand that
[2:03:06] Speaker 10: it's our responsibility. It starts with us. We're watching our
[2:03:10] Speaker 10: voting rights, disability rights, diversity, equity, inclusion, accessibility, We're watching all.
[2:03:17] Speaker 4: Of these things.
[2:03:18] Speaker 10: We took away slow but surely, and we are too quiet,
[2:03:24] Speaker 10: too comfortable. We are forgetting the people in the past,
[2:03:27] Speaker 10: and we are thinking we got to start everything from scratch,
[2:03:30] Speaker 10: when in reality, we just need to build on the
[2:03:33] Speaker 10: building blocks that were already laid for us, and on
[2:03:35] Speaker 10: those foundations. We have to remember the people of the past.
[2:03:39] Speaker 10: When James Baldwin warned us that everything that is faced
[2:03:43] Speaker 10: can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it
[2:03:46] Speaker 10: is faced.
[2:03:46] Speaker 4: We have to know those things.
[2:03:48] Speaker 10: We have to know what these people that were giants
[2:03:51] Speaker 10: before us, whether it was a biblical giant or whether
[2:03:55] Speaker 10: it was a black civil rights leader that was really
[2:03:58] Speaker 10: leading us. Got tap into those and just know that
[2:04:01] Speaker 10: it's our time. If you wondered what you would be
[2:04:05] Speaker 10: doing during the civil rights movement, you're doing exactly what
[2:04:09] Speaker 10: you would be doing. You would have been the person
[2:04:11] Speaker 10: that would have got on the bus instead of the
[2:04:13] Speaker 10: person that would have staved in solidarity with the rest
[2:04:17] Speaker 10: of us.
[2:04:21] Speaker 3: Well, we know that is absolutely the case.
[2:04:23] Speaker 2: It's a whole bunch of people who got a whole
[2:04:27] Speaker 2: lot to say, and as Howard John Wesley just said, there,
[2:04:32] Speaker 2: they ain't got no receipts to show any of us
[2:04:36] Speaker 2: all right, Mustapha was a boy and Joe I appreciate
[2:04:39] Speaker 2: y'all being on today's show. Thank you so very much, folks.
[2:04:45] Speaker 2: We're going to close the show out. Blackstar Network headlines.
[2:04:51] Speaker 34: The federal judge is block Trump's one hundred thousand, H
[2:04:54] Speaker 34: one bis A fee. The H one B program allows
[2:04:59] Speaker 34: US employer to hire skilled foreign workers for the heart
[2:05:03] Speaker 34: to feel positions. The Trump administration created the fee to
[2:05:07] Speaker 34: stop immigrants from receiving those positions despite their qualifications. On Monday,
[2:05:12] Speaker 34: the feed was struck down in federal court because it
[2:05:15] Speaker 34: violates the Administrative Procedure Act, which governs how agencies issued regulations.
[2:05:21] Speaker 34: The White House says it's confident this order will be
[2:05:25] Speaker 34: reversed on appeal. Yesterday, the World Cup's first Somali referee
[2:05:32] Speaker 34: was detained and interviewed for eleven hours by Customs and
[2:05:35] Speaker 34: Border Protection CBP says. Thirty four year old Omar Rtan
[2:05:40] Speaker 34: was detained at Miami International Airport due to what the
[2:05:44] Speaker 34: agency said was vetting concerns well. The incident comes as
[2:05:49] Speaker 34: the World Cup fast approaches and amid President Trump's travel
[2:05:53] Speaker 34: bands affecting countries such as Somalia in parts of the
[2:05:56] Speaker 34: Middle East and a swimsuit brand apologizing and taking action
[2:06:02] Speaker 34: after an email sent to a black influencer manager sparks
[2:06:05] Speaker 34: outrage online. Last week, Neasia Boykin, founder of an influencer
[2:06:10] Speaker 34: management agency called The Brownstone Collective, posted an email she'd
[2:06:15] Speaker 34: gotten from the influencer relations team at Kupshie, a swimsuit brand.
[2:06:19] Speaker 34: It says, hi in the Asia, we do not collapse
[2:06:22] Speaker 34: with black people this campaign. The next day, boy Can
[2:06:26] Speaker 34: posted an additional update to threat saying Kupschi apologized anonymously
[2:06:31] Speaker 34: from a shared email saying the message you received is
[2:06:34] Speaker 34: not reflective of cupshi, our values or the way.
[2:06:37] Speaker 4: We partner with our creators.
[2:06:39] Speaker 34: We cherish our relationship with our creators, and we sincerely
[2:06:43] Speaker 34: apologize for the experience in any harm or frustration it
[2:06:47] Speaker 34: may have cost. As a result, the employee responsible is
[2:06:50] Speaker 34: no longer with the company. Boykin says this is the
[2:06:53] Speaker 34: kind of racial discrimination that happens far more often in
[2:06:57] Speaker 34: influencer marketing than anyone wants to admit. In Kansas City, Missouri,
[2:07:02] Speaker 34: brothers Perez and Jahiki Reese have been spending their summer
[2:07:07] Speaker 34: selling lemonade in their neighborhood, but this week someone called
[2:07:10] Speaker 34: nine one one on the boys lemonade stand. Instead of
[2:07:13] Speaker 34: shutting down the young entrepreneurs, Kansas City Police Officer Morgan
[2:07:17] Speaker 34: Reid stepped in to help.
[2:07:18] Speaker 4: Officer Reid shared.
[2:07:20] Speaker 34: The boys' story with fellow officers who quickly showed up
[2:07:23] Speaker 34: to support the business, and in less than thirty minutes,
[2:07:25] Speaker 34: the brothers raised nearly three hundred dollars thanks to customers
[2:07:29] Speaker 34: from the police department.
[2:07:31] Speaker 4: The officers were.
[2:07:32] Speaker 34: So inspired by the boys determination that many have become
[2:07:35] Speaker 34: repeat customers. Perez and Jaiki plan to keep serving lemonade
[2:07:40] Speaker 34: for the rest of the summer well. A black woman
[2:07:43] Speaker 34: in Atlanta is recovering after being shot in the face
[2:07:46] Speaker 34: when she met up with someone she'd met through Facebook
[2:07:49] Speaker 34: marketplace in order to sell a luxury watch. Zariana Roe
[2:07:53] Speaker 34: says the man pulled the gun on her, demanding her
[2:07:56] Speaker 34: Audemar's Pika watch. Shortly after meeting, Roe says she then
[2:08:00] Speaker 34: asked the buyer, who was wearing a mask, to come
[2:08:02] Speaker 34: up to her car window. The mass suspect then pulled
[2:08:05] Speaker 34: the gun and threatened to kill her for the twelve
[2:08:07] Speaker 34: hundred dollars watch, and fired it. When she reached for
[2:08:10] Speaker 34: her own weapon, she then drove away, crashing into three
[2:08:14] Speaker 34: parked cars before finding help at the nearby gas station.
[2:08:17] Speaker 4: She's speaking out about the moment that this arrangement, termed dangerous.
[2:08:22] Speaker 34: Row underwent surgery last Thursday and is in good spirits
[2:08:26] Speaker 34: but helps her experience serves as a warning to others
[2:08:29] Speaker 34: meeting strangers through oneline Mark.
[2:08:34] Speaker 2: All right, folks, be sure to check out The Breakdown
[2:08:36] Speaker 2: Brittain Noble every day at noon Eastern on the Blackstar Network. Again,
[2:08:40] Speaker 2: the Breakdown Brittany Noble every day at noon Eastern on
[2:08:44] Speaker 2: the black Star Network. Dis just in the jury in
[2:08:50] Speaker 2: the case of Camilla Anthony, they are back with a
[2:08:54] Speaker 2: sentising with a sentence.
[2:08:56] Speaker 3: Give me one second, we're find out exactly.
[2:09:09] Speaker 2: Exactly what that is and again that the reaction has
[2:09:16] Speaker 2: been extremely swift. One second, let's see here again, we're
[2:09:30] Speaker 2: where to see exactly what uh the centizing is going
[2:09:33] Speaker 2: to be for Carmelo Anthony.
[2:09:37] Speaker 3: Uh. We also are looking at a lot more for me.
[2:09:45] Speaker 2: So we're trying to find out what time they're going
[2:09:47] Speaker 2: to announce the sentencing. I'm looking right now to see
[2:09:51] Speaker 2: so we do know that they have come up with
[2:09:53] Speaker 2: a a sentence. We're just trying to find out exactly
[2:09:58] Speaker 2: what time h they are going to announce the sentencing
[2:10:04] Speaker 2: of Carmelo Anthony. Let's go to a commercial break and
[2:10:12] Speaker 2: then we'll come. We'll come right back on rolling Unfiltered
[2:10:16] Speaker 2: on the Blackstar Network.
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