# Florida STOP WOKE Act Struck Down. Ben Crump Speaks On Nolan Wells. Black Scholarship Saved

An episode of [#RolandMartinUnfiltered](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1434424449), 13 Jul 2026, 2 h 23 min.

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7.10.2026 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Florida STOP WOKE Act Struck Down. Ben Crump Speaks On Nolan Wells. Black Scholarship Saved _ For free and unbiased Medicare help, dial (724) 264-8281 to speak with my trusted partner, Chapter, or go to https://askchapter.org/roland *Paid Partnership* _ Download the Kalshi app and use code Soccer10 to get $10 when you trade $10. You can also sign up at kalshi.com/r/soccer10, which auto-applies the code at checkout. Kalshi. Trade What's Next _ A federal judge strikes down part of Florida's STOP WOKE Act. We'll talk with the Florida A&M law professor who sued the state to stop it. The Trump administration fires the three remaining members of the Election Assistance Commission -- the latest in the GOP attack on Black America. Nolan Wells' family spoke for the first time publicly today about their son's mysterious death. Attorney Ben Crump will join us... The University of North Carolina-Wilmington said a scholarship for Black students would have to be changed. The Black family, who gave the money, said NOPE, and now the $1 million endowment is probably headed to Howard. The alums of the South's oldest HBCU, North Carolina's Shaw University, believe the school administration is not making the best financial decisions. We'll talk to the founder of one alum group who fears they may end up like Saint Augustine's University. Also, more of our exclusive coverage of the VA Democrats Blue Commonwealth Gala -- we'll show you my one-on-one with Virginia Attorney General Jay Jones. Black Star Network Partner: Chapter Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options. ____ Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[3:45] Speaker 4: the Rolling Martin Building, streaming live on the Black Start Network.
[3:49] Speaker 4: I am here in Houston where a new app is
[3:53] Speaker 4: launching that's going to make it easier for black owned
[3:56] Speaker 4: businesses to be able to tap into local, state, and
[4:00] Speaker 4: federal contracts all across the country. We'll explain to you
[4:05] Speaker 4: more about that later on today's show. Attorney Ben Crump,
[4:09] Speaker 4: who is the family attorney for the Nolanwell family, will
[4:11] Speaker 4: join us because the latest in the case of that
[4:14] Speaker 4: a young African American in Mississippi who died while going
[4:18] Speaker 4: voting with several white friends of his. Also on today's show,
[4:23] Speaker 4: Donald Trump clearly wants to steal the next election. He
[4:26] Speaker 4: has fired three of the administrators. We're tasked with helping
[4:32] Speaker 4: states with the November election. What the hell is going on?
[4:36] Speaker 4: We told y'all what they're trying to do to rig
[4:39] Speaker 4: this process. Also on today's show, University of North Carolina
[4:43] Speaker 4: Wilmington said a Scots black students would have to be changed.
[4:48] Speaker 4: The Black family says, no, we're not doing that. That
[4:51] Speaker 4: million dollars is likely going to Howard University. Also, the
[4:55] Speaker 4: loans of the south oldes HBCU North Carolina Shaw University
[5:00] Speaker 4: don't have faith in their administration when it comes to
[5:02] Speaker 4: making financial decisions. We'll talk to the founder of the
[5:05] Speaker 4: alumni group. Also on the show, we'll hear from Virginia
[5:09] Speaker 4: Attorney Attorney General Jay Jones as he talks about how
[5:13] Speaker 4: he continues to battle the Trump administration when it comes
[5:16] Speaker 4: to civil rights and other issues as well. Folks, it's
[5:20] Speaker 4: time to bring the bunk. I'm roland Mark un Filcher
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[5:44] Speaker 4: He's going. It's school time.
[6:01] Speaker 2: He's from specially.
[6:02] Speaker 6: He's built up question.
[6:03] Speaker 4: No, he's bronte, folks say. Federal judges struck down Florida's
[6:32] Speaker 4: Stock Woke Act, saying it infringes on the First Amendment
[6:36] Speaker 4: rights of university professors. Florida Governor Ron de Santis happened
[6:40] Speaker 4: as one of his priorities where he essentially wanted to
[6:43] Speaker 4: tell university professors what they could and could not talk
[6:47] Speaker 4: about in the classroom. It was signed into law in
[6:50] Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. It restricted how professors at public colleges
[6:54] Speaker 4: and universities could discuss race, gender, and related concepts in
[6:58] Speaker 4: the classroom. Eleven Circuit Corp Appeals ruled that Florida cannot
[7:02] Speaker 4: enforce provisions of a law, citing the laws forcing an
[7:07] Speaker 4: official government line into college classrooms. Florida and m law
[7:11] Speaker 4: professor Leroy Prenelle sued the state over the law. He
[7:15] Speaker 4: joins us right now, professor, glad to have you here
[7:17] Speaker 4: on the show. Listen. This is abundantly clear what we're
[7:23] Speaker 4: dealing with here, and that is Rohnda said, is like
[7:26] Speaker 4: so many other Republicans want to impose a white nationalist
[7:32] Speaker 4: agenda on this country. They don't like the even any
[7:36] Speaker 4: discussions about race engender. And I'm glad to see this.
[7:41] Speaker 4: This federal judge is slapping him down.
[7:45] Speaker 5: That's absolutely right. You know, I think that that.
[7:50] Speaker 10: We file this case back and today you inunicate it
[7:54] Speaker 10: because this law tried to set up a sort of
[7:59] Speaker 10: penalty system of suppressing black thought, pretending that black history
[8:05] Speaker 10: doesn't exist, pretending that racism doesn't exist. And uh, in
[8:10] Speaker 10: a university which is a laboratory of of ideas, and
[8:16] Speaker 10: particularly here at HBCU, when we have law students who
[8:20] Speaker 10: are going out and challenging the status quo, it's important
[8:24] Speaker 10: that we discussed ideas clearly without intimidation. And uh uh,
[8:29] Speaker 10: this was a bill that students wasn't active. Indicated that
[8:34] Speaker 10: there's no way that I would I would I would
[8:37] Speaker 10: adhere to that. So I am the league name named
[8:40] Speaker 10: plaintiff on that case. It was a side on the
[8:43] Speaker 10: First Amendment grounds as far as the Eleventh Circuit Quarter
[8:47] Speaker 10: Appeals was concerned.
[8:48] Speaker 5: But there are other issues in that case as well.
[8:53] Speaker 4: But the thing here I warned people. I warned folks
[8:58] Speaker 4: in Trump's first time in the White House, and then
[9:01] Speaker 4: of course this second time. And then I warned folks
[9:04] Speaker 4: about these southern states with Republican governors where people felt
[9:08] Speaker 4: that HBCUs were going to be anasis or a place
[9:13] Speaker 4: of protection. And I said, folks, you got to remember,
[9:16] Speaker 4: our largest HBCUs are public universities. So if you're talking
[9:19] Speaker 4: about Florida A and M Florida, North Carolina, North Carolina
[9:22] Speaker 4: A and T North Carolina, South Carolina State, South Carolina,
[9:26] Speaker 4: Texas Southern University for every A and M Texas Southern
[9:30] Speaker 4: Grambling Louisiana, and I said, we got to be vigilant
[9:33] Speaker 4: and vote in these local in the state elections because
[9:36] Speaker 4: otherwise they're going to try to make decisions that are
[9:39] Speaker 4: going to even hinder our HBCUs. Now granted, this law
[9:43] Speaker 4: was not specific to hbcused, but it's a perfect example
[9:47] Speaker 4: of why we cannot be silent and st elections out
[9:52] Speaker 4: because there are consequences when folks like the Santas win.
[9:58] Speaker 5: Well.
[9:58] Speaker 12: You know, the other thing.
[10:01] Speaker 10: To mention here is that the importance of this case
[10:04] Speaker 10: is this is not just Florida we're talking about. The
[10:07] Speaker 10: Florida legislation was modeled after a creation done by conservative
[10:12] Speaker 10: think groups in DC, and it was modeled after a
[10:16] Speaker 10: framework established by Donald Trump. And so this decision is
[10:22] Speaker 10: significant not just for Florida, but it is the highest
[10:26] Speaker 10: decision against attempt to suppress the teaching of black history
[10:35] Speaker 10: in the nation right now. So we're very pleased at
[10:39] Speaker 10: this juncture to have the support of the Eleventh Circuit,
[10:45] Speaker 10: but I'd hope people will be aware that they have
[10:49] Speaker 10: to watch what's going on everywhere. This is an attack
[10:53] Speaker 10: that I think an article I wrote recently that at
[10:57] Speaker 10: least twenty three to thirty states have.
[11:02] Speaker 5: Laws on the book.
[11:03] Speaker 10: Virtually identical to what Florida is trying to do and
[11:09] Speaker 10: suppressing a black thought and speech. And so we have
[11:12] Speaker 10: to be able to fight back against all of this
[11:15] Speaker 10: now on a local level and on a national level.
[11:20] Speaker 4: Also. They're in Florida, you have a governor who has
[11:24] Speaker 4: put a bullseye on the back of university professors, and
[11:27] Speaker 4: as you said, Florida operates sort of as a test
[11:30] Speaker 4: case for others. What has been happening in Florida has
[11:33] Speaker 4: been happening in Texas with I'm here at Houston with
[11:35] Speaker 4: MACCA Governor Greg Abbott and Dan Patrick upending what's happening
[11:41] Speaker 4: at my alma mater, Texasan and University, University of Texas,
[11:44] Speaker 4: Texas Tech and others because they want to put their
[11:47] Speaker 4: right wing stamp on these state institutions, and so and
[11:52] Speaker 4: other states as well. And so again we're constantly trying
[11:55] Speaker 4: to warn people on this show that when you see
[11:58] Speaker 4: an action in North Carolina, understands is not just North Carolina.
[12:03] Speaker 4: You see something happening in Georgia, It's not Georgia. This
[12:07] Speaker 4: is a part of the MAGA Republican attack on Black America.
[12:12] Speaker 4: It is their effort to target universities because they believe
[12:18] Speaker 4: that because are liberal, liberal bastions, UH, and that is
[12:21] Speaker 4: what is really driving them crazy.
[12:24] Speaker 5: Well, that's that's absolutely true.
[12:27] Speaker 10: The the UH UH understand that that what one of
[12:31] Speaker 10: the things this law tried to do is not just
[12:33] Speaker 10: to stifle and gag the discussion of of of of
[12:40] Speaker 10: of our issues UH in in the in a classroom
[12:44] Speaker 10: of ideas, but also to require that we repeat UH
[12:49] Speaker 10: and adopt their own thoughts and their own agenda.
[12:52] Speaker 5: I mean, we're talking about a situation here in Florida.
[12:55] Speaker 10: Remember, he had a governor who suggested that slave was
[13:01] Speaker 10: simply a job training program for black folks. And so
[13:05] Speaker 10: you know, I'm not going to I'm not going to
[13:07] Speaker 10: buy into that. And the notion that somehow I'm obligated
[13:10] Speaker 10: to repeat such gatherings just because I'm employed at a
[13:17] Speaker 10: state university was absurd.
[13:20] Speaker 5: And the eleventh circuit degree.
[13:25] Speaker 4: And one of the things that also before about panel
[13:29] Speaker 4: with the questions, one of the other things that jumps out.
[13:32] Speaker 4: Let's just be clear what the Santists and these other
[13:34] Speaker 4: Republicans want to do. They want to force folks like
[13:37] Speaker 4: you and others to retire. We saw that in Louisiana
[13:40] Speaker 4: where there were some professors who actually retired. They've been
[13:43] Speaker 4: attacking tenure, they have been going after, you know, the underpinning,
[13:48] Speaker 4: and so what I've been saying to people, listen, they
[13:51] Speaker 4: are attacking these well established institutions, just like they want
[13:55] Speaker 4: to attack every facet of Black America, academic, civil rights,
[14:00] Speaker 4: social economics, you name it.
[14:03] Speaker 10: Uh, hey, you're you're You're absolutely right. And we've we've
[14:06] Speaker 10: seen losses all across the country.
[14:09] Speaker 5: In this state.
[14:09] Speaker 10: I know some some friends of mine who have been
[14:11] Speaker 10: at other universities, so they can't they couldn't take it anymore.
[14:14] Speaker 5: They went to another state.
[14:17] Speaker 10: The the desire to push us out, push out those
[14:22] Speaker 10: who would speak up and fight back, is a pressure
[14:25] Speaker 10: that we feel every day.
[14:28] Speaker 13: Uh.
[14:29] Speaker 10: And yes, they can be reflected. And there are other bills,
[14:31] Speaker 10: uh laws in Florida to try to tie it into tenure,
[14:36] Speaker 10: try to tie it into arbitrary decisions.
[14:39] Speaker 5: To disapprove you if you are not adhering to the
[14:45] Speaker 5: to a party line on this.
[14:47] Speaker 4: And uh.
[14:48] Speaker 10: You know, one of the positions I've taken on this,
[14:50] Speaker 10: and uh uh I've said it in another in other context,
[14:54] Speaker 10: is that what they're really asking of us is to be.
[14:59] Speaker 5: A form of slave.
[15:03] Speaker 10: That you know, one of the hallmarks of being of
[15:07] Speaker 10: slavery was you had to remain silent and repeat whatever
[15:10] Speaker 10: the master told you. Well, that's not going to happen
[15:14] Speaker 10: for a lot of folks, not going to happen for me.
[15:16] Speaker 10: And I think that that this attempt to relive and
[15:22] Speaker 10: bring back the good old days, at least what they
[15:27] Speaker 10: thought were good old days, is a a war that
[15:32] Speaker 10: we cannot afford to lose. And so we do have
[15:36] Speaker 10: to pay attention you know. The other thing I just
[15:39] Speaker 10: one of the things I want to mention is this
[15:41] Speaker 10: is not simply a matter of the need of faculty
[15:45] Speaker 10: to express themselves.
[15:46] Speaker 5: Students want to be taught. Students want an opportunity to
[15:50] Speaker 5: talk about these things.
[15:51] Speaker 10: Students want an opportunity to address the problems in our country.
[15:55] Speaker 5: You can't mandate silence and prevent that.
[16:00] Speaker 4: I want to bring my panel right now joining us
[16:02] Speaker 4: on today's show. Candice Kelly Legal analysts and hosts of
[16:06] Speaker 4: Takeaway with Candae Kelly out of South Orange, New Jersey.
[16:09] Speaker 4: Matt Manning, civil wrus's attorney out of Corporscricy, Texas. Michael M. Hotel,
[16:13] Speaker 4: hosts African History networkshow out of Detroit.
[16:16] Speaker 14: Candas, you first, well listen as a professor, I know,
[16:20] Speaker 14: like you said, let me just echo that students do
[16:23] Speaker 14: like to express themselves.
[16:25] Speaker 15: And they like the opportunity to have different viewpoints.
[16:28] Speaker 14: That is the whole point. A whole point is that
[16:30] Speaker 14: that's what a classroom is for. If you have a
[16:32] Speaker 14: different viewpoint, your opinion is welcome. My question is this
[16:36] Speaker 14: is this a precedent that you think will carry a
[16:39] Speaker 14: lot of weight. We have different circus circuits with different
[16:42] Speaker 14: schools of thought. What will this do for K through twelve?
[16:45] Speaker 14: What do you think this will do with the other
[16:47] Speaker 14: states that have similar laws on the books.
[16:51] Speaker 10: Well, I think that it will have a positive and
[16:54] Speaker 10: leading effect. I mean, if you look at some of
[16:56] Speaker 10: the language from the Eleventh Circuit opinion, they are expressive
[17:01] Speaker 10: and indicate concerns about the impact of legislation like this
[17:07] Speaker 10: on K THU twelve as well, although that's not specifically
[17:10] Speaker 10: the issue that was raised in this case. As I
[17:13] Speaker 10: indicated earlier, when we look at the laws like this
[17:18] Speaker 10: that have been adopted in every state, almost a blueprint,
[17:22] Speaker 10: scratch out one name and you write in another.
[17:27] Speaker 5: This is to my.
[17:30] Speaker 10: As far as I know, the highest level that is
[17:33] Speaker 10: the United States Court of Appeals, that this issue has
[17:36] Speaker 10: reached in a positive manner. The Eleventh Circuits a very
[17:40] Speaker 10: well respected circuit, and I would hope that this will
[17:45] Speaker 10: have sustaining quality to it and provide leadership for other
[17:50] Speaker 10: states and other circuits that that are considering virtually identical laws.
[17:59] Speaker 4: Thank you, Matt.
[18:05] Speaker 16: When I see these kinds of things that seemed to
[18:07] Speaker 16: me to be can you hear me? Seemed to me
[18:10] Speaker 16: to be blatant viewpoint discrimination. But my question is what
[18:15] Speaker 16: are the other grounds of the lawsuit and did the
[18:17] Speaker 16: Eleventh Circuit reach those merits of those or did they
[18:20] Speaker 16: pass on those because of the disposition on the First
[18:22] Speaker 16: Amendment question.
[18:24] Speaker 10: Well, when we you look at the original lawsuit that
[18:29] Speaker 10: was brought, it raised the First Amendment issues and also
[18:32] Speaker 10: raised issues without equal protection and the fact that these
[18:36] Speaker 10: this law was a poorly disguised direct attack on black folks.
[18:41] Speaker 10: I mean even its name, you know, Wolke is a
[18:45] Speaker 10: term that originated in the black community, and so there
[18:49] Speaker 10: are it has a disparate impact on the black community,
[18:55] Speaker 10: and those issues were raised in the original UH complaint.
[19:03] Speaker 10: Judge Judge Walker, the district court judge who issued the
[19:07] Speaker 10: climinary injunction, decided that the First Amendment grounds was strong
[19:12] Speaker 10: enough that he issued an opinion based on that and
[19:16] Speaker 10: not and did not address the other issues that that
[19:20] Speaker 10: remain in the case. But there are are other issues
[19:23] Speaker 10: in there in terms of equal protection that presumably when
[19:29] Speaker 10: this case finally reads full UH litigation and trial will
[19:34] Speaker 10: be addressed again. And there are there are issues that
[19:37] Speaker 10: even go beyond what was originally filed in the in
[19:40] Speaker 10: the lawsuit for example, I think that there is an
[19:43] Speaker 10: issue of whether or not uh this attempt to silence
[19:47] Speaker 10: uh uh uh black folks in a way that that
[19:51] Speaker 10: is similar to uh said slavery, whether that might not
[19:55] Speaker 10: in fact be a Thirteenth Amendment violation as a badge
[19:57] Speaker 10: of slavery.
[20:02] Speaker 8: Michael, Professor Prenelle, thanks for coming on and sharing this
[20:07] Speaker 8: with us. I've been talking about these anti critical race
[20:09] Speaker 8: theory laws since they started. I think Florida was the
[20:12] Speaker 8: first state that had them. I wanted to focus in
[20:15] Speaker 8: on something that you said. You said Florida modeled that
[20:19] Speaker 8: Stopped Woke Act after framework from a think tank in Washington,
[20:23] Speaker 8: d C. That was modeled after policy from Trump. Was
[20:26] Speaker 8: that in Trump and his first administration.
[20:29] Speaker 10: Yes, well, Trump and first administration adopted the reports from
[20:33] Speaker 10: the Heritage Foundation others that outlined.
[20:37] Speaker 5: Attempts to model, to control, and to.
[20:44] Speaker 10: Suppress critical race theory or what they what they would
[20:48] Speaker 10: call critical race theory. And so they developed a blueprint
[20:52] Speaker 10: that that the first Trump administration signed off on the
[20:57] Speaker 10: Biden administration through executive order.
[20:59] Speaker 5: Over learned that almost the first day that it came in.
[21:02] Speaker 4: Uh.
[21:02] Speaker 10: And now those that that same blueprint has been sent
[21:07] Speaker 10: to the states around the nation, and they in turn
[21:10] Speaker 10: have adopted versions of that foundation report.
[21:15] Speaker 5: So Florida did that. Texas is very close to the
[21:19] Speaker 5: same thing.
[21:19] Speaker 10: I mean, you can get minor differences uh in there,
[21:23] Speaker 10: and and and other states as well.
[21:25] Speaker 5: So yes, there is a blueprint out there.
[21:31] Speaker 10: It is a consistent attack on critical race theory, a
[21:37] Speaker 10: consistent attack across the tape a nation on on just
[21:42] Speaker 10: recognizing the role and significance of race in our history
[21:45] Speaker 10: and in our current condition. So yeah, uh, this is uh,
[21:52] Speaker 10: you know, I would have to say that, you know,
[21:55] Speaker 10: to get the devil it's due on this. They got
[21:58] Speaker 10: their act together as far as a consistent attack, and
[22:03] Speaker 10: so that's why I've always argued that we have to
[22:06] Speaker 10: do the same thing, get our act together and have
[22:08] Speaker 10: an persistent response.
[22:10] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[22:10] Speaker 8: Just very quickly was that the September two right, And
[22:13] Speaker 8: that's what just very quickly was that the September twenty
[22:20] Speaker 8: twenty memo that Trump issued that banned critical race theory
[22:25] Speaker 8: being used in federal training for federal employees. Was that
[22:29] Speaker 8: the was that the policy from the Trump administration you
[22:31] Speaker 8: referred to, because when Biden came in, he rescinded that memo.
[22:36] Speaker 5: That's correct, Yes, that was certainly one of them.
[22:38] Speaker 17: I mean.
[22:40] Speaker 10: I don't have you know, I wrote an article that
[22:44] Speaker 10: sort of identified though that don't have in front of
[22:47] Speaker 10: me right now, but yes, that was that was that
[22:50] Speaker 10: was one of them. I think that that what Trump
[22:54] Speaker 10: did in that memo was converted over for state of
[23:00] Speaker 10: adoption to outlaw that in education and employment and in
[23:05] Speaker 10: other areas as well.
[23:08] Speaker 4: Thank you, all right, Professor Prinnat. We certainly appreciated congratulations
[23:13] Speaker 4: on this. I'm sure they are going to appeal this,
[23:16] Speaker 4: but as I consistently said, we have to fight back
[23:20] Speaker 4: at every single effort what these folks are doing, because
[23:23] Speaker 4: their aim is very simple, and that is to completely
[23:28] Speaker 4: destroy what has taken place over the last sixty years
[23:33] Speaker 4: for African Americans and others. And in fact, they want
[23:36] Speaker 4: to go as far as back to those reconstruction amendments.
[23:38] Speaker 4: And so we must be on guard and be utilizing
[23:41] Speaker 4: everything at our disposal. Our civil rights groups have got
[23:44] Speaker 4: to be following these lawsuits, and we've got to be
[23:46] Speaker 4: doing our part at the ballot box.
[23:50] Speaker 5: Agreed, Yes, all right, we appreciate it.
[23:54] Speaker 4: Thanks a lot, folks. Let's go to a break. We
[23:56] Speaker 4: come back, let's talk about how Donald Trump is trying
[23:59] Speaker 4: to steal the election in November. Also, why is JD
[24:04] Speaker 4: Jdvans trying to call Democrats out for protecting frausters when
[24:09] Speaker 4: Donald Trump lets off another Ponzi schemer. I'll explain. You're
[24:14] Speaker 4: watching Rolling and Unfoltuate broadcasting live right here on the
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[25:44] Speaker 9: What's up, y'all?
[25:45] Speaker 18: This is Wendell Haskins aka Win Hogan at the original
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[26:07] Speaker 4: Donald Trump is fired the three remaining members of the
[26:10] Speaker 4: Election Assistance Commission. That commission is responsible for helping state
[26:15] Speaker 4: governments and local officials with funding and security recommendations for elections.
[26:22] Speaker 4: Democratic members Benjamin Hoblin and Thomas Hicks were immediately fired,
[26:27] Speaker 4: while Republican commissioner Christian McCormick was given the option to resign.
[26:31] Speaker 4: Thursday's firings came after a Junie Supreme Court ruling that
[26:35] Speaker 4: gave Donald Trump the authority to fire any bureaucrats that
[26:39] Speaker 4: he chose to do so. It remains unclear whether Trump
[26:42] Speaker 4: will replace the Commission with new appointees. Actually, I don't
[26:46] Speaker 4: think it's unclear at all. He's not going to do that.
[26:49] Speaker 4: What we are seeing is we are seeing an effort
[26:52] Speaker 4: to completely rig this election. Donald Trump is scared to
[26:57] Speaker 4: death that if Democrats win the House, he is going
[26:59] Speaker 4: to get impeached, and he certainly has earned that. He
[27:03] Speaker 4: also wants to control the Senate because that's what we
[27:07] Speaker 4: determine Supreme Court nominees as well as other nominations to
[27:13] Speaker 4: his administration. Let's go to my panel here, Matt. It
[27:17] Speaker 4: is without a doubt that that Supreme Court decision and
[27:21] Speaker 4: other decisions has empowered this thug in chief to do
[27:25] Speaker 4: what he wants to do, and to sit here and
[27:28] Speaker 4: fire the folks who oversee the nation's elections. That tell
[27:32] Speaker 4: you exactly who he is and what his focus is.
[27:38] Speaker 16: You're exactly right, and it's completely indefensible. It is solely
[27:42] Speaker 16: a political move. There's not any justification that you can
[27:47] Speaker 16: come up with that is in any way compelling for
[27:49] Speaker 16: doing this, especially as close as it is to the elections.
[27:52] Speaker 7: There's a couple things I'm interested in.
[27:54] Speaker 16: First, I did not know that there was a resignation
[27:56] Speaker 16: of actually a Republican commissioner before he fired off three
[28:00] Speaker 16: of those people, So I'd be interested in knowing what
[28:02] Speaker 16: the basis was behind that.
[28:04] Speaker 7: Number one.
[28:05] Speaker 16: But number two, I'm especially interested in knowing what experts
[28:08] Speaker 16: will say the trickle down effect will be because my
[28:11] Speaker 16: understanding is the EAC, you know, dispersed grants to state
[28:15] Speaker 16: and local elections groups, and that's going to have a
[28:18] Speaker 16: major effect on places that were requiring.
[28:22] Speaker 7: That money or needing that money, and needing just the.
[28:23] Speaker 16: Assistance and the best practices, I think is what the
[28:26] Speaker 16: EAC is is very important for. So you know, not
[28:30] Speaker 16: only is he getting rid of those people at the top,
[28:32] Speaker 16: but it's going to have presumably a measurable effect on
[28:35] Speaker 16: the local elections, and it's going to be another part
[28:37] Speaker 16: of the way that Republicans and Trump are trying to
[28:40] Speaker 16: steal elections all across the board at all levels.
[28:46] Speaker 4: Candice Listen, we already seeing it. We saw this week
[28:50] Speaker 4: where Trump gave a disaster assistance to red states and
[28:55] Speaker 4: deny assistants to blue states. I wouldn't be surprised that
[29:00] Speaker 4: what they're going to do is by buying these commissioners,
[29:03] Speaker 4: they're going to bring the control of a disbursement of
[29:06] Speaker 4: those dollars in house. And I wouldn't be shocked if
[29:09] Speaker 4: they give money to red states and screw blue states.
[29:14] Speaker 14: There, Roland, I mean, listen, this is what happens when
[29:17] Speaker 14: your back a dog up into a corner, right, they
[29:20] Speaker 14: start barking, and you get out your broom and you
[29:23] Speaker 14: try to fight them.
[29:24] Speaker 15: And they attack. And this is exactly what Trump is doing.
[29:28] Speaker 14: Like you said, what's going to happen is because there's
[29:30] Speaker 14: nobody that's going to be anywhere.
[29:31] Speaker 15: To make the policy.
[29:33] Speaker 14: So the default policy is going to come from Trump
[29:35] Speaker 14: and anybody else who's around him. We're talking about voting machines,
[29:40] Speaker 14: are they working properly? Like Matt said, do local jurisdictions
[29:45] Speaker 14: have the money that they need in order to properly function.
[29:48] Speaker 15: The registration form that Trump wanted.
[29:50] Speaker 14: Really strict requirements to make sure that people were not
[29:54] Speaker 14: immigrants in that full citizenship.
[29:56] Speaker 15: All of that's going to go into effect by default
[29:58] Speaker 15: if nobody watches voting.
[30:00] Speaker 14: Rights groups and people like you and me do not
[30:02] Speaker 14: pay attention to this, because that is what the setup
[30:05] Speaker 14: is help whatever is going to help with him in
[30:08] Speaker 14: this midterm elections, which is exactly why these firings are
[30:12] Speaker 14: taking place. He is scared, he's scared for the ultimate outcome,
[30:16] Speaker 14: like you said, because impeachment is on the table. But
[30:19] Speaker 14: this is not surprising, and anything that we see from
[30:22] Speaker 14: Trump on any day is not surprising. But this is
[30:25] Speaker 14: a power that was given to him. Let's start there.
[30:27] Speaker 14: We saw what he did in terms of stacking the
[30:30] Speaker 14: courts to make sure that he ultimately got to this point.
[30:33] Speaker 14: This is exactly what he wanted and by default there
[30:36] Speaker 14: would be default policy. While nobody's watching, but enough people
[30:40] Speaker 14: are watching, Michael.
[30:47] Speaker 8: Yeah, Roland, this is another move by Trump, like you said,
[30:54] Speaker 8: to try to avoid the inevitable. He's scared the death
[31:00] Speaker 8: of the twenty twenty six elections. We saw the seizing
[31:06] Speaker 8: of ballots in the county in Georgia. We know that
[31:11] Speaker 8: he said he wished he had seized ballots in the
[31:15] Speaker 8: twenty twenty election. So I think you're going to have
[31:20] Speaker 8: state attorney generals pushing back on this, fighting back on this.
[31:26] Speaker 8: If it comes to a situation where there's a reduction
[31:29] Speaker 8: and distribution of grants to states, things of that nature, right,
[31:33] Speaker 8: But at the same time, there has to be a
[31:39] Speaker 8: energy on our side that fights back against things like this.
[31:46] Speaker 8: So there has to be you know, connecting this to
[31:49] Speaker 8: the segment with Professor Prenell, this is straight out of
[31:54] Speaker 8: Project twenty twenty five, Okay, And it's like we have
[32:00] Speaker 8: to people on the ground have to really understand how
[32:03] Speaker 8: to connect the dots because black people are in the crosshairs.
[32:08] Speaker 9: This this is this is not a game.
[32:10] Speaker 8: That's why I want to use the phrase they're playing
[32:12] Speaker 8: in our faces. These white nationalists are not playing. At
[32:15] Speaker 8: some point we have to wake.
[32:17] Speaker 4: Up absolutely and so again we keep we keep making
[32:24] Speaker 4: this point to folks, uh, consistently that elections have consequences
[32:30] Speaker 4: and the only way to stop these people if we can,
[32:32] Speaker 4: if we absolutely positively overwhelm the ballot box. All right, Uh,
[32:37] Speaker 4: let's go to a break. We come back lots to
[32:39] Speaker 4: talk about, including Uh, we'll talk about the We'll talk
[32:43] Speaker 4: to Attorney Ben Crump about what's happening in the case
[32:45] Speaker 4: of Doublin Wells, the black team who was found dead
[32:49] Speaker 4: in Mississippi. Uh, that is coming up next. Folks. You're
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[33:41] Speaker 4: We're no strangers to systems that don't have our best
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[34:08] Speaker 4: find it. If you're already in the right one, they'll
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[35:07] Speaker 4: Folks can continue to seek answers into the mysterious death
[35:12] Speaker 4: of Nolan Wells, the eighteen year old African American who
[35:16] Speaker 4: was found dead in Mississippi after he went out voting
[35:20] Speaker 4: with a group of white friends on July fourth. Independent
[35:25] Speaker 4: autopsy is being done on his body. The Mississi officials
[35:30] Speaker 4: say they continue this investigation, and again we continue to
[35:35] Speaker 4: ask the critical questions, what happened, what happened to this
[35:38] Speaker 4: young man and how did he end up dead? Joining
[35:41] Speaker 4: us right now is Christine and Ilmore Wantsley, the parents
[35:45] Speaker 4: of Nolan Wells, also the attorney Ben Crump. I'm glad
[35:50] Speaker 4: to have all three of you here. Certainly our condolences
[35:54] Speaker 4: go out to you, Christine and Elmore on the loss
[35:59] Speaker 4: of your son. I want to be clear in terms
[36:03] Speaker 4: of trying to think trying to understand this timeline. What
[36:10] Speaker 4: time did Dolan go out with his friends? What time
[36:16] Speaker 4: they go out voting? On July fourth?
[36:20] Speaker 6: So that was sometime in the morning. I don't have
[36:23] Speaker 6: the exact time.
[36:26] Speaker 19: I do still have his information up on the Life
[36:29] Speaker 19: three sixty, but it was earlier in the morning on
[36:32] Speaker 19: July the fourth.
[36:36] Speaker 4: So and so he said, hey, you know, July fourth,
[36:40] Speaker 4: we're going out for the day voting. Was this something
[36:44] Speaker 4: that he had previously done with his group of friends.
[36:49] Speaker 6: Yes, it was and there was no issues and my
[36:52] Speaker 6: son came home.
[36:57] Speaker 4: So did he the ky for you? What time they
[37:01] Speaker 4: gonna be coming back?
[37:03] Speaker 19: No, Like his dad has stayed in multiple interviews, you know,
[37:08] Speaker 19: it was his last Hurrah before reporting back to school.
[37:12] Speaker 19: So we were just, you know, gonna let him have
[37:14] Speaker 19: that time to really just decompress, because you know, football
[37:20] Speaker 19: can be a lot on you, especially to you know,
[37:23] Speaker 19: he was a student athlete, so he.
[37:24] Speaker 6: Wasn't just you know, doing one thing. He was having
[37:27] Speaker 6: to manage folks.
[37:30] Speaker 4: So the evening arrives, all of a sudden, it's getting darker.
[37:37] Speaker 4: You have not heard back from your son. What then happened?
[37:40] Speaker 4: What time did you and your husband begin to get
[37:43] Speaker 4: concerned when you had not heard from or seen Nolan?
[37:50] Speaker 6: So honestly, we got concerned when we got the phone call.
[37:55] Speaker 19: There have been times when Nolan has come in later
[37:58] Speaker 19: because he and his friend are you know, watching movies
[38:02] Speaker 19: or again at some type of party. So you know,
[38:06] Speaker 19: that wasn't necessarily uncommon. But when I saw his friend
[38:11] Speaker 19: call me.
[38:12] Speaker 6: My heart drop because I knew something was wrong. His
[38:16] Speaker 6: friends do not call me like that. What time?
[38:20] Speaker 4: What time was that was around?
[38:24] Speaker 6: That was I think eleven oh seven is when.
[38:26] Speaker 4: He called, And he said he that morning, so he left.
[38:34] Speaker 19: The evening before, so he's him and his friends. They
[38:38] Speaker 19: all stayed the night at one of the other friend's house.
[38:44] Speaker 4: Okay, So So July fourth was a Saturday, so they
[38:47] Speaker 4: stayed the night with some friends on Friday. So, y'all,
[38:50] Speaker 4: y'all last saw Nolan on Friday, and then he goes
[38:54] Speaker 4: out with him on Saturday. He learned eleven o seven
[38:56] Speaker 4: pm on Saturday. Then you get this phone call. We've
[39:01] Speaker 4: heard about them having his cell phone. When did when
[39:06] Speaker 4: did they turn over his cell phone?
[39:10] Speaker 17: Uh?
[39:10] Speaker 4: To you and your husband?
[39:14] Speaker 19: So they actually gave the cell phone to my friend.
[39:18] Speaker 19: Whenever I got the call that no one was visiting,
[39:21] Speaker 19: I was like, you know what, let me let me
[39:22] Speaker 19: call my friend Toshima because her sons Jayleen and Javon.
[39:27] Speaker 6: Nolan actually that those are the guys he actually grew
[39:30] Speaker 6: up with, right like.
[39:33] Speaker 19: From playing City League on up. We were very familiar
[39:37] Speaker 19: with the Jayleen and Javon and their mom. You know
[39:40] Speaker 19: again their they're friends of ours. And so I called
[39:44] Speaker 19: her and I was like, hey, have you seen Nolan?
[39:46] Speaker 19: Can you ask the boys have they talked to him?
[39:49] Speaker 19: And she was like you know what, and the boys,
[39:52] Speaker 19: of course, they were like no. So they're pulling up
[39:54] Speaker 19: their location tracker on Snapchat because they all follow each
[39:58] Speaker 19: other and they you know, we're able to help him,
[40:01] Speaker 19: I'm pulling mine up on Life three sixties. So between
[40:04] Speaker 19: the two, you know, we were able to determine where
[40:07] Speaker 19: his phone was, which is not where his car was,
[40:12] Speaker 19: So the car and the phone were in two separate locations.
[40:17] Speaker 6: Elmore and I were trying.
[40:18] Speaker 19: To after we got off the phone with Tshima, because
[40:20] Speaker 19: she was like, hey, look, don't worry about it, I'll
[40:22] Speaker 19: go get it. You know, we went ahead to start
[40:25] Speaker 19: calling authorities to see who we needed to file.
[40:28] Speaker 6: The missing report missing person's report with, and when you.
[40:33] Speaker 4: Got to fly Elmore, I have go ahead. I'm sorry.
[40:39] Speaker 12: You asked about the phone. It was important when they got.
[40:42] Speaker 7: The phone, so it took a while.
[40:45] Speaker 19: It took a little bit before the phone was handed
[40:48] Speaker 19: over to my friend, and then we did meet up,
[40:53] Speaker 19: and of course you know, they don't.
[40:57] Speaker 7: There's no.
[40:59] Speaker 19: We had soon after we found the police report finally,
[41:06] Speaker 19: and then she was on her way back towards Ocean Springs,
[41:11] Speaker 19: so we met up at the second house to pit
[41:15] Speaker 19: the car.
[41:15] Speaker 6: Which is where he stayed overnight.
[41:20] Speaker 20: Yeah.
[41:21] Speaker 4: The only thing I have read was yeah, Ben was
[41:25] Speaker 4: to point out that.
[41:26] Speaker 2: Is very important.
[41:28] Speaker 21: We believe some of the snap chat messages seem to
[41:34] Speaker 21: have been deleted, and some text messages seem to have
[41:37] Speaker 21: been deleted, and we believe that could prove very relevant.
[41:46] Speaker 4: Elmore, I've raised six nieces, uh and first got the
[41:51] Speaker 4: nieces when they were as early as a year and
[41:54] Speaker 4: a half and raised them all the way through they
[41:57] Speaker 4: were even now when nieces and they're twenty two years old.
[42:03] Speaker 4: I don't know many kids today who they're never without
[42:07] Speaker 4: these And did that cause you suspicion?
[42:13] Speaker 7: That?
[42:14] Speaker 4: And when you think about your son? Was his phone
[42:16] Speaker 4: always with him? Was he always on his phone? Was
[42:19] Speaker 4: he always using his phone? You talked about christ he
[42:22] Speaker 4: talked about the life tracker. I would assume, just like
[42:26] Speaker 4: my nieces, his hand was attached to the phone. Yes,
[42:32] Speaker 4: all the time.
[42:34] Speaker 22: He was a task his phone all the time. His
[42:37] Speaker 22: hand and his phone was always in my face, messing
[42:40] Speaker 22: with me. So he would he wouldn't go to it
[42:43] Speaker 22: without this phone.
[42:44] Speaker 12: He wouldn't.
[42:45] Speaker 23: He wouldn't give.
[42:46] Speaker 5: Someone us his phone and go off a whole nother way.
[42:51] Speaker 5: It just wasn't he.
[42:52] Speaker 12: It wasn't in his character.
[42:54] Speaker 22: We didn't, we didn't raise something like that for him
[42:58] Speaker 22: to not stay with the people that he came with.
[43:02] Speaker 22: We we we we taught him that, like, if you
[43:05] Speaker 22: go with someone, you stay with them, You go with them,
[43:08] Speaker 22: you leave with them. You don't you don't go off,
[43:10] Speaker 22: you don't go out, you don't spit from the group
[43:12] Speaker 22: chasing the girl. There's girls back where you were at,
[43:17] Speaker 22: girls everywhere, so she's not the only one.
[43:19] Speaker 12: You can find another girl.
[43:20] Speaker 22: So he and I constantly drill it in his head
[43:24] Speaker 22: to always stay with the group, always just be mindful
[43:29] Speaker 22: of your surroundings. And and you know, we constantly have
[43:34] Speaker 22: I constantly had had those conversations with him to until
[43:38] Speaker 22: it's like he got and I can tell you he
[43:40] Speaker 22: was getting tired of our dad. You're nagging, your nagging,
[43:43] Speaker 22: But I can say something. One day you go, you
[43:45] Speaker 22: gotta bang me for me nagging you like this, because
[43:47] Speaker 22: you're gonna say you no, Dad was right. And when
[43:50] Speaker 22: and when that day comes, I want you to pick
[43:52] Speaker 22: that same phone up and call me tell me right.
[43:55] Speaker 5: So let's say it's it's just hard for us to
[44:00] Speaker 5: believe that he would.
[44:01] Speaker 22: Choose to stay on an island without any kind of
[44:05] Speaker 22: force communication.
[44:10] Speaker 4: And see that's why that's the thing that jumps that
[44:12] Speaker 4: jumps out at me. Again knowing how young folks are today.
[44:19] Speaker 4: If again, if if he if he if, if he says, Okay,
[44:26] Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with somebody else, they don't. They don't
[44:30] Speaker 4: leave this. They don't like that's the don't have to
[44:33] Speaker 4: be sure, give it my bag, make sure I have
[44:35] Speaker 4: my phone and being that's what immediately jumps out that
[44:40] Speaker 4: that he separated from his phone. It takes so long
[44:45] Speaker 4: for his parents to be notified, and then when you
[44:51] Speaker 4: said it appears as if some items have been deleted.
[44:54] Speaker 4: Obviously people don't realize text messages cannot be deleted. Uh, permally,
[45:00] Speaker 4: have you already communicated with the cell phone company to
[45:04] Speaker 4: be able to pull those records.
[45:08] Speaker 21: Yes, we are reaching out to experts to try to
[45:12] Speaker 21: not only retrieve the deleted snapchats, but the deleted messages,
[45:19] Speaker 21: because we know on the video rolland that's been circulating
[45:23] Speaker 21: all around the internet. We know there with some kind
[45:26] Speaker 21: of argument where you hear Nolan saying, give me my
[45:30] Speaker 21: freaking phone, what are you freaking doing? And then for.
[45:37] Speaker 12: Him to not come back, but his.
[45:40] Speaker 21: Three friends who were in the boat with him all
[45:44] Speaker 21: come back with his phone, and he comes back a
[45:49] Speaker 21: couple of days later on the shore dead. It doesn't
[45:53] Speaker 21: add up, and it makes it hard for the sheriff
[45:57] Speaker 21: to say, where there's no foul play that we found, well,
[46:02] Speaker 21: that's foul play there. Where you're talking about an argument
[46:06] Speaker 21: of a phone and then they take his phone and
[46:10] Speaker 21: leave him on an island, it.
[46:12] Speaker 12: Makes you scratch your head and say, this isn't adding up.
[46:19] Speaker 4: The uh have you Christine?
[46:23] Speaker 3: Uh?
[46:24] Speaker 4: And first, have y'all had any that you have any
[46:28] Speaker 4: conversations any discussions with these And was it three young
[46:35] Speaker 4: men who went with your son or was it more?
[46:39] Speaker 6: I think they're I'm pretty sure there were probably more present.
[46:45] Speaker 15: Two three of them.
[46:47] Speaker 6: Three of them have reached out.
[46:51] Speaker 19: And I know, and I've been sitting here kind of
[46:53] Speaker 19: trying to go through all the facts and everything because again,
[46:57] Speaker 19: I'm we're still grieving, like it hasn't even been that
[47:01] Speaker 19: long since our sun four days since he's been found.
[47:06] Speaker 6: But I think maybe two, two.
[47:09] Speaker 19: Or three parents have reached out, and I'm just you know,
[47:14] Speaker 19: I'm in a mindset right now where I'm trying to
[47:20] Speaker 19: protect my family. I'm trying to protect my peace, make
[47:25] Speaker 19: sure my husband's okay. And it's just it's a lot
[47:29] Speaker 19: because social media is just so nasty with what this
[47:36] Speaker 19: pain that we're going through, Like they think it's a
[47:39] Speaker 19: joke and it's horrible, and I pray that they never
[47:43] Speaker 19: have to go through.
[47:43] Speaker 6: Anything like this.
[47:46] Speaker 4: That's unfortunately, and Ben knows this. I've had to interview
[47:53] Speaker 4: far too many of his clients. So I always say,
[47:56] Speaker 4: this is a fraternity or sorority that no one wants
[47:59] Speaker 4: to be a member of.
[48:02] Speaker 23: Absolutely what is what is?
[48:04] Speaker 4: So? What is so difficult here? Again is sort of
[48:11] Speaker 4: like there's this this fog if you will when you
[48:13] Speaker 4: when when you said that they've reached out, the only
[48:19] Speaker 4: explanation given was that what did it come from his friends?
[48:26] Speaker 4: That he just decided to stay? That was it. They
[48:29] Speaker 4: didn't convey anything else.
[48:32] Speaker 7: Yes, that that was it.
[48:33] Speaker 6: They said that that he wanted to stay and hang
[48:38] Speaker 6: out with this girl named Katie.
[48:41] Speaker 19: And also, and this was the initial conversation me being
[48:45] Speaker 19: alerted to him being missing, it was, oh, well, Katie's
[48:50] Speaker 19: also missing, but we don't know who she is, like
[48:53] Speaker 19: that was our first time kind of seeing her type
[48:55] Speaker 19: of thing. So the end, when I'm going to social media, Wow,
[49:00] Speaker 19: I'm coming from a place with information that was given
[49:03] Speaker 19: to me by people.
[49:04] Speaker 6: That were there.
[49:09] Speaker 4: Ben and you mentioned the video circulating that appeared to
[49:13] Speaker 4: be a lot of boats in that area and they
[49:18] Speaker 4: were shooting video. In terms of this investigation, are you
[49:24] Speaker 4: troubled by the lack of urgency that you're hearing from
[49:31] Speaker 4: this sheriff who's just sort of being somewhat nonchalant about
[49:36] Speaker 4: what took place with Nolan Wells four days ago or
[49:41] Speaker 4: six days ago.
[49:41] Speaker 5: If you will.
[49:43] Speaker 21: Yeah, you know, rolling with very concerned because from the
[49:47] Speaker 21: very beginning his response was that where we don't think
[49:52] Speaker 21: it was foul play, well, how do you know? You
[49:55] Speaker 21: haven't even investigated anything, And that video certainly made you
[50:00] Speaker 21: think that there's something that doesn't pass the smell tests.
[50:05] Speaker 21: And the fact that you have the young lady who
[50:08] Speaker 21: said that notice that he was going to get back
[50:12] Speaker 21: on the boat with the boys, and then the boys
[50:14] Speaker 21: said no, Nolan told them that he was going to
[50:19] Speaker 21: stay with the girl. Which one is it somebody must
[50:24] Speaker 21: not be telling the truth. And again, we cannot overstate
[50:29] Speaker 21: it enough what eighteen year old teenager says, I'm going
[50:34] Speaker 21: to stay behind on the island and don't ask for
[50:37] Speaker 21: their cell phone.
[50:42] Speaker 4: Well, especially when you look at the map that shows
[50:44] Speaker 4: the distance of this island from from where they came from.
[50:50] Speaker 4: I do want to ask Christine. Her husband is here.
[50:54] Speaker 4: So the photos that we've been showing were those photos
[50:59] Speaker 4: taken on that day? Wasn't a previous voting trip.
[51:05] Speaker 6: That was taken on that day, specifically the one with
[51:10] Speaker 6: all three of them.
[51:12] Speaker 19: Whenever I had made the posts asking for information, there
[51:18] Speaker 19: was a young girl who reached out to me and
[51:20] Speaker 19: she said, hey, miss Christine, I know that in the
[51:23] Speaker 19: report it's stating that he had black shorts on, but
[51:27] Speaker 19: she was like, he actually had blue shorts and those
[51:31] Speaker 19: are two very different colors. Like you can't mess, you know,
[51:35] Speaker 19: get those two confused. And so what she did is
[51:38] Speaker 19: she's like, I'm going to send you these pictures to
[51:40] Speaker 19: show you, so you know, I could use to show
[51:43] Speaker 19: everybody like this is actually the color of the shorts
[51:45] Speaker 19: he was wearing.
[51:46] Speaker 6: But she was concerned too.
[51:49] Speaker 4: So they had sent those photos to her, or have.
[51:54] Speaker 6: They No, these are pictures that she took.
[51:59] Speaker 5: No, she took the picture.
[52:00] Speaker 6: She was yeah herself, and she said she was out there. Yeah,
[52:05] Speaker 6: she was out there.
[52:06] Speaker 4: Got it? Got it? Obviously, it has been four days
[52:13] Speaker 4: since your son's body was found, seven days since you
[52:20] Speaker 4: last saw him. Are you are you concerned with the
[52:27] Speaker 4: pace of this investigation. I would also ask Ben, I
[52:32] Speaker 4: mean do you believe I mean, uh, initial reports saying
[52:36] Speaker 4: that the young men have been questioned, No one obviously
[52:41] Speaker 4: has been taken into custody. Any any thoughts and concerns
[52:46] Speaker 4: about that the pace of this investigation that here we
[52:50] Speaker 4: are is four days later and there still are so
[52:53] Speaker 4: many unanswered basic questions.
[52:58] Speaker 12: Yeah, I know, the family is very concerned.
[53:01] Speaker 21: That's why they wanted an independent autopsy done Roland Martin.
[53:05] Speaker 12: And so the body was flown from Mississippi to Washington,
[53:09] Speaker 12: d C.
[53:10] Speaker 21: Because they wanted to have a doctor to do and
[53:13] Speaker 21: examine of his body that had no connections, no influence
[53:18] Speaker 21: from the law officials in the state of Mississippi.
[53:24] Speaker 12: Because it's inescapable that you know.
[53:28] Speaker 21: Roland, had the roads been reversed and you had three
[53:32] Speaker 21: young black men and a young white man on a
[53:37] Speaker 21: boat and the white man dies or is killed, you
[53:44] Speaker 21: would see a completely different investigation Roland Martin. I mean
[53:49] Speaker 21: as facially, and you got his cell phone and you
[53:52] Speaker 21: back on the island and you leave him on the island.
[53:55] Speaker 21: I mean, it's so many things that says you all
[54:00] Speaker 21: are not doing a zealous investigation on behalf of the
[54:04] Speaker 21: family of Nolan Wells.
[54:06] Speaker 12: We want the same kind of investigation.
[54:09] Speaker 21: That you would have did that the roads were reversed
[54:11] Speaker 21: for a young white man for our son too.
[54:15] Speaker 4: Absolutely Elmore, it has to be Uh. I listen to
[54:23] Speaker 4: you as you talked about your son, felt like he
[54:27] Speaker 4: was you were badgering him when when all those questions. Uh.
[54:31] Speaker 4: And the reality is fathers and mothers desperately want to
[54:38] Speaker 4: protect their children, want to provide them with as much
[54:43] Speaker 4: cover as possible. And so as you think about those
[54:51] Speaker 4: many conversations, you absolutely believe that that you gave your
[54:59] Speaker 4: sons so much information that you don't believe for a
[55:03] Speaker 4: second but he will decide on a whim just to
[55:08] Speaker 4: make some crazy decision and just go off with some
[55:12] Speaker 4: other people. He had no idea, didn't know who they
[55:14] Speaker 4: were at all.
[55:19] Speaker 22: I believe, like I believe, I gave my son, like
[55:24] Speaker 22: I said, enough information to not do that. He had
[55:29] Speaker 22: too much estate. He he he had a plan for
[55:33] Speaker 22: his life. He knew what he wanted to do, he
[55:36] Speaker 22: knew what he had to do come coming up that
[55:38] Speaker 22: following money, which was getting down the business so he
[55:41] Speaker 22: can get on with his life and get his future started.
[55:44] Speaker 5: So for someone to tell me that no.
[55:47] Speaker 22: One decides still on the island to take a girl,
[55:51] Speaker 22: I do not believe you.
[55:52] Speaker 4: You.
[55:53] Speaker 5: No one is going to get me to believe that,
[55:55] Speaker 5: not not one't bit.
[55:57] Speaker 4: No.
[55:58] Speaker 5: I can't believe that because.
[56:00] Speaker 22: He wasn't raised like that, just because I had him
[56:03] Speaker 22: super focused on what he wanted to do.
[56:07] Speaker 7: He was finally buying into what I was talking.
[56:09] Speaker 22: About as far as sports and business and really taking
[56:13] Speaker 22: it serious and understanding that if he wanted it, he
[56:18] Speaker 22: had to put into work.
[56:23] Speaker 4: Just a couple of questions left, Christiane, you talked about
[56:27] Speaker 4: how nasty folks are on social media. It has to
[56:31] Speaker 4: be extremely painful and difficult for you and your husband
[56:35] Speaker 4: to see people who you don't know, who don't know you,
[56:39] Speaker 4: who don't know your son, A question you allowing him
[56:45] Speaker 4: to be around white teams, questioning how you raise your son.
[56:55] Speaker 6: What I would say to.
[56:56] Speaker 13: That is.
[56:59] Speaker 6: Be amount of love and support.
[57:03] Speaker 19: That we've received from our local community, people outside of
[57:09] Speaker 19: our community.
[57:10] Speaker 6: Is and even his friends.
[57:13] Speaker 19: It's a testament to his character, it's a testament to
[57:18] Speaker 19: us as parents, And this is a thing I would
[57:22] Speaker 19: never and my husband the same.
[57:24] Speaker 6: We would never tell.
[57:25] Speaker 19: Our child, any of our children, you are not allowed
[57:29] Speaker 19: to associate with this person over here because of the
[57:32] Speaker 19: color of their skin or because this person.
[57:35] Speaker 6: Over here is purple. Absolutely not. And just the way
[57:41] Speaker 6: Nolan's heart was, he was a friend to everybody.
[57:46] Speaker 15: Like he was just his heart was that big.
[57:49] Speaker 6: So like I just I don't care because at the
[57:55] Speaker 6: end of the day.
[57:56] Speaker 19: I know we did everything we could as pay raise
[58:00] Speaker 19: our children as best as we could. We have always
[58:03] Speaker 19: told them to be kind, caring, and respectful to others,
[58:07] Speaker 19: no matter who they were, and that's the way we
[58:10] Speaker 19: were raised. So if anyone has an issue with that,
[58:14] Speaker 19: then that seems like that's a you problem, not an
[58:18] Speaker 19: US problem.
[58:22] Speaker 4: Being a final question for you, have you gotten any
[58:29] Speaker 4: indication for first of all, Ben, who's leading this investigation?
[58:34] Speaker 4: Is it the sheriff or is it the Mississippi Bureau
[58:36] Speaker 4: of Investigation.
[58:38] Speaker 21: I think at this time it's still the sheriff because
[58:41] Speaker 21: the sheriff is the one who's making the statements.
[58:44] Speaker 12: Sheriff in Jackson County, Mississippi.
[58:51] Speaker 4: Do you want to see the MBI take this over?
[58:58] Speaker 21: I want to see somebody need the investigation. Who's gonna
[59:06] Speaker 21: do so zealously. We are in a ferocious search for
[59:10] Speaker 21: the truth. I mean with every day that goes by,
[59:14] Speaker 21: that makes it a little more daunting, a little more challenging.
[59:17] Speaker 12: So time is of the essence.
[59:21] Speaker 21: I mean, we don't want not one more sleepless night
[59:26] Speaker 21: to go by just because they don't have answers. We
[59:29] Speaker 21: know they're never gonna have peace because you know, they baby,
[59:34] Speaker 21: as they talked about their family, so much peace, and
[59:38] Speaker 21: so there's a void in their hearts and in their
[59:42] Speaker 21: families forever.
[59:43] Speaker 12: But let's at.
[59:45] Speaker 24: Least give them the transparency that they deserve. As Christie said,
[59:53] Speaker 24: any parent, any parent, black.
[59:56] Speaker 21: White, brown or red, you would want answers if somebody
[1:00:02] Speaker 21: came to you and said, we went out with him,
[1:00:05] Speaker 21: we left him, and now he's dead. Now we got
[1:00:09] Speaker 21: to get answers. Roland Martin, we must get.
[1:00:12] Speaker 4: Answers, Christine Elmore Wansley, again, our condolences go out to you.
[1:00:22] Speaker 4: Is absolutely difficult, and and as you said, it's even
[1:00:27] Speaker 4: more difficult when you're trying to greet the loss of
[1:00:31] Speaker 4: your son and you're having to do interviews and frankly
[1:00:35] Speaker 4: put the pressure on officials to get answers as to
[1:00:39] Speaker 4: what took what has taken place, and so I appreciate
[1:00:42] Speaker 4: both of you joining us. I appreciate being crump. You've
[1:00:45] Speaker 4: been here as well, and certainly we've been covering this
[1:00:49] Speaker 4: story from day one as we always do. We're going
[1:00:53] Speaker 4: to continue to cover this story because it needs to
[1:00:57] Speaker 4: It needs to be needs to be told, and it
[1:01:00] Speaker 4: needs do we need answers as to what took place
[1:01:03] Speaker 4: to eighteen year old Nolan Wells. Thanks a bunch, Thank you,
[1:01:08] Speaker 4: thank you, thank you, thanks a lot. Quickly go to
[1:01:14] Speaker 4: my panel here, Candice, when we talk about evidence collection,
[1:01:22] Speaker 4: what is bothersome here is that these boys come back,
[1:01:27] Speaker 4: they call the mother at eleven pm, they don't get
[1:01:30] Speaker 4: the phone until the next day. Anybody who understands investigations,
[1:01:34] Speaker 4: you are most concerned about the destruction of evidence in
[1:01:40] Speaker 4: this case here we're dealing with water. Uh and and
[1:01:44] Speaker 4: so now again you don't know do they change clothes?
[1:01:49] Speaker 4: Now you're talking about what you know, was there a fight,
[1:01:53] Speaker 4: scratches on their body, what kind of interviews took place
[1:01:58] Speaker 4: from the authorities. There's so there's so many people, there's
[1:02:02] Speaker 4: so many things here at play that could determine not
[1:02:07] Speaker 4: knowing what actually happened.
[1:02:12] Speaker 14: Yeah, and you said the key word there, and that
[1:02:14] Speaker 14: is the evidence, because the evidence begins right now. And
[1:02:18] Speaker 14: if there are any lawsuits, that's what this part and
[1:02:21] Speaker 14: this time is for to collect the evidence and make
[1:02:24] Speaker 14: sure that people are held accountable so that evidence plays
[1:02:27] Speaker 14: out well in court, whether it's a wrongful death suit
[1:02:29] Speaker 14: or negligent suit, or any other criminal action that comes
[1:02:32] Speaker 14: down the line, which there probably will be.
[1:02:35] Speaker 15: Now I'm not sure, and this is a question that
[1:02:37] Speaker 15: I wanted to hear from.
[1:02:38] Speaker 7: Them, and maybe you know this.
[1:02:39] Speaker 14: If any of those young men that were with him
[1:02:42] Speaker 14: did get a legal representation, I've heard it.
[1:02:46] Speaker 7: I'm not sure if.
[1:02:48] Speaker 14: But you know, to search for an attorney and not
[1:02:50] Speaker 14: be as part of the search party is ridiculous and
[1:02:53] Speaker 14: that is evidence, and that is evidence that it goes
[1:02:55] Speaker 14: against any story that they have at this point, it
[1:02:59] Speaker 14: seems to me, I think about it this way, Roland.
[1:03:02] Speaker 14: When you want to punish a child that's eighteen years
[1:03:04] Speaker 14: old or eight years old, the first thing that you do.
[1:03:07] Speaker 15: Is you take away that phone. And we know that
[1:03:10] Speaker 15: there was confirmation from Crump. There was audible you could
[1:03:16] Speaker 15: hear audio.
[1:03:16] Speaker 14: That was confirmed that was Nolan, that he did say,
[1:03:20] Speaker 14: you know, give me back my freaking phone. Why were
[1:03:23] Speaker 14: they punishing him by keeping that phone away from him?
[1:03:27] Speaker 14: There was there's something that somebody is hiding. This is
[1:03:29] Speaker 14: what we know, and it all has to do with
[1:03:32] Speaker 14: that phone. The fact that they went home sat on
[1:03:35] Speaker 14: that phone, that a friend of hers had to go
[1:03:37] Speaker 14: retrieve the phone.
[1:03:38] Speaker 15: Nobody offered that phone up. Are you kidding me? This
[1:03:42] Speaker 15: is all the evidence.
[1:03:44] Speaker 14: Building that is not going to play well for those
[1:03:47] Speaker 14: kids in court, which is why one of the kid's mothers,
[1:03:51] Speaker 14: that judge who the name escapes me, That's why she
[1:03:54] Speaker 14: started her evidence and seeding of it. Now that my child,
[1:03:59] Speaker 14: you know, he's been cooperating with everyone and everything is fine.
[1:04:03] Speaker 14: And maybe I canceled my Facebook book account, but don't
[1:04:06] Speaker 14: take it personally. People out there are mean. Everybody is
[1:04:10] Speaker 14: pulling together their evidence and that's where we are, and
[1:04:13] Speaker 14: it does not look good that it is because of
[1:04:16] Speaker 14: that phone. It is because of that that phone is
[1:04:19] Speaker 14: telling the story and it's going to tell the story
[1:04:22] Speaker 14: in court.
[1:04:25] Speaker 7: Matt, Yeah, I want to stay on that same thought.
[1:04:31] Speaker 16: So I have literally proven a murder case off of
[1:04:34] Speaker 16: deleted text messages from a cell phone. The police may
[1:04:37] Speaker 16: not have thought they had probable cause to search the phone,
[1:04:40] Speaker 16: but phones get dumped. So what people don't know is,
[1:04:42] Speaker 16: even if you delete messages or delete data on your phone,
[1:04:46] Speaker 16: there are various levels to the phone where things are saved. So,
[1:04:50] Speaker 16: like I said, I literally proved a murder case off
[1:04:52] Speaker 16: of deleted text messages. There's a lot of evidence surely
[1:04:55] Speaker 16: in that phone. And there are a couple things I
[1:04:57] Speaker 16: don't understand in this case. The first thing I don't
[1:04:59] Speaker 16: understand is if you have a video that's contemporaneous with
[1:05:02] Speaker 16: their time on the island with Nolan, and they come
[1:05:05] Speaker 16: back with his phone and he's protesting them having his phone,
[1:05:09] Speaker 16: you have a theft. So how you don't issue an
[1:05:11] Speaker 16: arrest warrant immediately for the theft? How you don't decide
[1:05:15] Speaker 16: to dump the phone. How you don't send an exigent
[1:05:17] Speaker 16: see search warrant to snapchat to social media to the
[1:05:21] Speaker 16: phone provider. I mean they do that all the time
[1:05:23] Speaker 16: when somebody's missing and they have reason to believe there's
[1:05:26] Speaker 16: been foul play. The police routinely do that, and the
[1:05:29] Speaker 16: phone companies and other providers have a means whereby they
[1:05:33] Speaker 16: can get them information in an exigent circumstance here on
[1:05:36] Speaker 16: the fourth of July, this young man goes missing, the
[1:05:39] Speaker 16: family realizes he's missing. It seems to me the police
[1:05:42] Speaker 16: had a number of things they could have done to
[1:05:44] Speaker 16: truly investigate this and preserve that evidence. And Ben Crump
[1:05:48] Speaker 16: is one of the best in the country, so I
[1:05:49] Speaker 16: suspect his team is going to do this. But the
[1:05:52] Speaker 16: absolute first thing I would do is get a private
[1:05:54] Speaker 16: forensic examiner on that phone.
[1:05:56] Speaker 7: I would do a logical dump of physical dump.
[1:05:58] Speaker 16: Find what is in that phone, may certainly be things
[1:06:01] Speaker 16: that were deleted, right, and then even if those things
[1:06:04] Speaker 16: are innocuous, right, even if there are text messages that
[1:06:07] Speaker 16: don't have anything to do about the conflict, then you
[1:06:10] Speaker 16: have a question of chain of custody. Okay, y'all had
[1:06:13] Speaker 16: this phone for X number of hours before it was
[1:06:16] Speaker 16: provided to his family, and there's something that was deleted
[1:06:19] Speaker 16: that was sent after the time Nolan had the phone,
[1:06:22] Speaker 16: or rather deleted after the time Nolan had the phone.
[1:06:25] Speaker 7: It stands to reason you got tampering with evidence.
[1:06:28] Speaker 16: So maybe you know this is something the Mississippi Bureau
[1:06:30] Speaker 16: of Investigation will have to get into. But police officers
[1:06:34] Speaker 16: do these things routinely. And I think what this might
[1:06:36] Speaker 16: be is a situation where they want to take the
[1:06:39] Speaker 16: path of least resistance and assume there's no foul play,
[1:06:42] Speaker 16: despite the fact that they had incontrovertible evidence that this
[1:06:46] Speaker 16: young man was not only in a conflict, but that
[1:06:49] Speaker 16: they had expensive property of his, which they would normally
[1:06:52] Speaker 16: call a theft. So how they didn't go down that
[1:06:54] Speaker 16: road I don't understand. Hopefully Ben and his team are
[1:06:58] Speaker 16: able to develop some of that and that evidence has
[1:07:01] Speaker 16: been preserved despite presumably someone trying to delete it or
[1:07:04] Speaker 16: otherwise obscurity.
[1:07:08] Speaker 4: Well, Michael, what so baltins for me is for sheriff
[1:07:10] Speaker 4: to say we don't believe there was foul play. I'm sorry.
[1:07:13] Speaker 4: An eighteen year old, extremely healthy young man goes on
[1:07:18] Speaker 4: an island with friends, doesn't come back, they come back,
[1:07:22] Speaker 4: he's missing, and I'm sorry. That's called doubt, that's called suspicion.
[1:07:28] Speaker 4: And so you don't just come out and just make
[1:07:31] Speaker 4: that kind of statement that raises questions as to the
[1:07:35] Speaker 4: thoroughness of the quality of the investigation that this sheriff
[1:07:39] Speaker 4: is going to actually conduct.
[1:07:43] Speaker 8: Yeah, Roland, I agree. I think it's premature to say
[1:07:47] Speaker 8: there's no foul play suspected. You could just say we
[1:07:52] Speaker 8: haven't been able to conclude that at this point in
[1:07:55] Speaker 8: the investigation.
[1:07:56] Speaker 4: The other are you simply say this or you just
[1:08:01] Speaker 4: simply say this is under investigation. You don't give a defense,
[1:08:06] Speaker 4: you know, you don't give a definitive statement, like we
[1:08:10] Speaker 4: don't believe that was foul play.
[1:08:13] Speaker 12: Right right?
[1:08:14] Speaker 8: So I agree, Roland. I watched the press conference today.
[1:08:19] Speaker 8: I also saw the interview this morning on Good Morning
[1:08:21] Speaker 8: America that Nolan's parents did along with Ben Crumb, and
[1:08:28] Speaker 8: I watched the interview on CBS this morning, and I
[1:08:33] Speaker 8: have I have like fifteen questions, but I'm only going
[1:08:35] Speaker 8: to ask two. So I heard you, Roland, say that
[1:08:39] Speaker 8: someone called the parents at eleven PM. Was that to
[1:08:45] Speaker 8: say we have Nolan's phone or what was that call regarding.
[1:08:53] Speaker 5: Well?
[1:08:54] Speaker 4: A mother answered that she said that the call she
[1:08:57] Speaker 4: got was that Nolan had not come back with him.
[1:09:04] Speaker 8: Right, okay, now when so one of the questions I
[1:09:07] Speaker 8: have is when the father went to go retrieve the phone,
[1:09:11] Speaker 8: the boy or the man or the young man he
[1:09:14] Speaker 8: retrieved the phone from said Nolan was like a brother
[1:09:17] Speaker 8: to the father.
[1:09:18] Speaker 21: No no, no, no, no no no no.
[1:09:20] Speaker 4: The father didn't go retrieve the phone. The mother said
[1:09:23] Speaker 4: a friend of hers was the one who went to
[1:09:28] Speaker 4: go and retrieve the phone.
[1:09:31] Speaker 8: Okay, okay, I misunderstood that at the press conference today.
[1:09:36] Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, well, well again I don't see that. Here.
[1:09:39] Speaker 4: Here's the deal. I didn't see the news conference. I'm
[1:09:41] Speaker 4: just simply saying what the boy had just said in
[1:09:42] Speaker 4: my just interview her so in terms of so so,
[1:09:45] Speaker 4: I don't know that, but so so the bomb line
[1:09:49] Speaker 4: is here. Okay. Clearly they're not giving answer as to
[1:09:53] Speaker 4: what actually is taking place. It has been four days
[1:09:57] Speaker 4: since his body was found, seven days, you know, seven
[1:10:00] Speaker 4: days since they last saw them, six days since July fourth,
[1:10:05] Speaker 4: and it's clear folks are clambing up. And so I
[1:10:08] Speaker 4: would hope this sheriff is doing a real investigation. And
[1:10:12] Speaker 4: the problem is if he's not the effort every day
[1:10:16] Speaker 4: that you get away from this. The problem that you
[1:10:19] Speaker 4: have is you have a lack of evidence. As we said,
[1:10:22] Speaker 4: evidence could be destroyed, evidence washed away, all that sort
[1:10:26] Speaker 4: of stuff. And that's really what is of great concern.
[1:10:29] Speaker 4: I got to go to a quick quick break. We
[1:10:30] Speaker 4: come back when I talk with the alumni group of
[1:10:33] Speaker 4: Shaw University where they have some serious concerns about the
[1:10:36] Speaker 4: leadership of that HBCU in North Carolina. You're watching Roland
[1:10:40] Speaker 4: Martin unfilcher on the Blackstart Network.
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[1:12:50] Speaker 4: The alumni and administrators at Shaw University of North Carolina
[1:12:53] Speaker 4: are at odds over how the university is being run,
[1:12:56] Speaker 4: specifically when it comes to its operations. The alumni said
[1:13:01] Speaker 4: leadership is not being transparent about it, increasing debt, also
[1:13:06] Speaker 4: the sale of the school property in the twenty twenty
[1:13:09] Speaker 4: three Shaw You District rezoning plan. Some alumni fear if
[1:13:12] Speaker 4: their beloved university could meet the same faith as Saint
[1:13:15] Speaker 4: Augustine's University. We've been covering the drama with that university.
[1:13:19] Speaker 4: Eugene Myra is founding member of Save our Shaw. He
[1:13:24] Speaker 4: joins us now. Glad to have you here, Eugene, So
[1:13:28] Speaker 4: what exactly is the issue this concern that you and
[1:13:33] Speaker 4: others are expressing.
[1:13:36] Speaker 26: So rolland the rezoning happened a few years ago, and
[1:13:40] Speaker 26: doctor Dillon said, we were supposed to see a public
[1:13:44] Speaker 26: facing master plan by last year. So and mind you,
[1:13:50] Speaker 26: doctor Dillon's contract actually expired in June. So she had
[1:13:55] Speaker 26: a town hall, an alumni town hall. She didn't bother
[1:13:59] Speaker 26: to invite the alumni association, but she had an alumni
[1:14:03] Speaker 26: town hall and said that the board approved a five
[1:14:08] Speaker 26: hundred and fifty million dollar master plan in February of
[1:14:12] Speaker 26: last year. But yet we still haven't seen this master
[1:14:17] Speaker 26: plan for the university, which I need to go back
[1:14:21] Speaker 26: and state that there is a such thing as a
[1:14:22] Speaker 26: campus master plan. But doctor Dilly chose and the Board
[1:14:27] Speaker 26: of Trustees chose to go with a show you business district,
[1:14:31] Speaker 26: which in fact may be a violation of the charter,
[1:14:33] Speaker 26: which states that Shaw's land is to be utilized for
[1:14:36] Speaker 26: institutional purposes perpetually.
[1:14:40] Speaker 4: Okay, So or you're saying that a that a master
[1:14:44] Speaker 4: plan for the campus is different from this Shawlu business district.
[1:14:51] Speaker 10: No, she was.
[1:14:52] Speaker 26: We're still waiting to see the master plan. We haven't
[1:14:55] Speaker 26: seen a master plan yet. But as there are as
[1:14:58] Speaker 26: there pro longing the presentation of this master plan. We're
[1:15:03] Speaker 26: coming across deeds where Shaw's assets are continuously being sold.
[1:15:08] Speaker 26: Shaw's assets are being sold off, and our debt continues
[1:15:12] Speaker 26: to increase. Remember at the Cares Act. The Cares Act
[1:15:16] Speaker 26: landed the Titanic for us. But just last year, doctor
[1:15:20] Speaker 26: Dilly and the board took out a loan for twenty
[1:15:22] Speaker 26: million dollars, putting up all of Shaw's real estate for
[1:15:26] Speaker 26: twenty million dollars.
[1:15:28] Speaker 23: And I and I and I stressed the twenty million dollars.
[1:15:30] Speaker 26: Because just down the block from Shaw, one point three
[1:15:34] Speaker 26: acre of land sold for twenty one million dollars.
[1:15:41] Speaker 9: Okay, so.
[1:15:43] Speaker 4: You mentioned the Cares Act, and so what was your point?
[1:15:50] Speaker 4: Was your point there how much money Shaw was able
[1:15:54] Speaker 4: to get from that that should have assisted them in
[1:15:59] Speaker 4: the abilizing their finances.
[1:16:02] Speaker 26: Exactly Once we were twenty plus million in debt, the
[1:16:06] Speaker 26: Cares Act wiped that debt out. And I believe, I
[1:16:09] Speaker 26: believe that the year may have been twenty one or
[1:16:10] Speaker 26: twenty two, and I believe sure surplus was like twenty
[1:16:15] Speaker 26: one million dollars. Next year was like a surplus of secure.
[1:16:17] Speaker 4: I'm looking I'm looking right here, I have I'm looking
[1:16:21] Speaker 4: right here. I have this breadsheet. Mishaw received forty four million,
[1:16:26] Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty eight thousand and eight four hundred
[1:16:28] Speaker 4: and seventy seven dollars and one cents one cent as
[1:16:32] Speaker 4: a result of Cat one F one forgiveness CARES Act one,
[1:16:37] Speaker 4: CARES Act too, as well as the American Rescue Plan one,
[1:16:43] Speaker 4: American Rescue Plan two.
[1:16:46] Speaker 26: And magically, five years later, we're back in debt. Assets
[1:16:51] Speaker 26: are continuously being sold. But it's to the point now
[1:16:54] Speaker 26: where the Board of Trustees is so dysfunctional. If you
[1:16:58] Speaker 26: talk to one board member, you'll get an answer. Like
[1:17:01] Speaker 26: a prime example, I'm asking them how many board members
[1:17:04] Speaker 26: are showing them to the meeting. Somebody will say eight, Well,
[1:17:07] Speaker 26: they've changed the bylaws where at quorum you needs fifteen.
[1:17:12] Speaker 26: So I'm saying, how are y'all even having a meeting?
[1:17:14] Speaker 26: Oh well, Chairman Joe Bell has five.
[1:17:18] Speaker 23: Proxy votes in his pocket Roland.
[1:17:21] Speaker 26: If somebody was to really do the homework proxy votes
[1:17:25] Speaker 26: a chairman of a nonprofit organization.
[1:17:28] Speaker 23: In the state of North Carolina, it is illegal for.
[1:17:32] Speaker 26: The chairman of the executive committee of a nonprofit organization
[1:17:37] Speaker 26: to utilize proxy votes because all of these board members
[1:17:40] Speaker 26: have a producial responsibility.
[1:17:43] Speaker 12: Yep.
[1:17:44] Speaker 4: So with that in mind, does the alumni plan on
[1:17:48] Speaker 4: suing the university?
[1:17:51] Speaker 23: That's listen.
[1:17:52] Speaker 26: We sued some years ago, so we ran into a
[1:17:55] Speaker 26: situation in federal court where judge said, yeah, y'all went
[1:17:59] Speaker 26: to show university, but you don't have standing.
[1:18:02] Speaker 23: The same issue that St.
[1:18:03] Speaker 26: Nog came up against. Saint Ogg elected their alumni president,
[1:18:09] Speaker 26: but the board never sat him. I went with them
[1:18:12] Speaker 26: to court Roland, and I watched the attorney for their
[1:18:16] Speaker 26: board of trustees say, yeah, they have valid points, but
[1:18:20] Speaker 26: they don't have standing that they don't have a board
[1:18:22] Speaker 26: member with them. So regardless of all of this corruption
[1:18:26] Speaker 26: the binders, the judge said, it's nothing I could do here.
[1:18:30] Speaker 26: It was tossed out.
[1:18:31] Speaker 23: So at this point we're.
[1:18:33] Speaker 4: Literally trying but but but but in the case of
[1:18:39] Speaker 4: Saint Augustine's just like you your private university. There there
[1:18:43] Speaker 4: there was a role of the attorney general plays because
[1:18:47] Speaker 4: you are a nonprofit. So have you had any conversations
[1:18:51] Speaker 4: with the Attorney General of North Carolina?
[1:18:54] Speaker 23: And that's the and that's the move that we're headed
[1:18:57] Speaker 23: toward right now.
[1:18:58] Speaker 26: Our next conversation is trying to have a discussion with
[1:19:02] Speaker 26: our alumni Association representative, because it would hold much more
[1:19:07] Speaker 26: weight if we had a member of the Board of
[1:19:10] Speaker 26: Trustees with standing. If that doesn't work, then our next
[1:19:14] Speaker 26: choice we would have no choice but to go to
[1:19:17] Speaker 26: the Attorney General to ask them to look into some
[1:19:20] Speaker 26: of these matters because it goes so deep rolling as
[1:19:24] Speaker 26: to Shaw's original charter was on the books in eighteen
[1:19:27] Speaker 26: seventy five. Fast forward to I believe it's around nineteen
[1:19:31] Speaker 26: forty seven. Section eight and a half was added to
[1:19:36] Speaker 26: the charter, specifically around real estate. It specifically states that
[1:19:43] Speaker 26: the only way Shaw could sell real estate is to
[1:19:46] Speaker 26: be signed by the chair the Board of Trustees, the
[1:19:49] Speaker 26: Secretary of the boarder Trustees, as well as a university seal.
[1:19:55] Speaker 23: We have property.
[1:19:56] Speaker 26: Doctor Jill is selling property, Chairman Joseph Bell is selling property.
[1:20:00] Speaker 3: There's no no.
[1:20:02] Speaker 26: Seals, no signature from the Secretary of the Board of Trustees.
[1:20:05] Speaker 26: Even going back to the cell of WSH, we didn't
[1:20:09] Speaker 26: even know. We didn't even know that they took out
[1:20:11] Speaker 26: a two million dollar loan from the company that they
[1:20:14] Speaker 26: sold the radio station to. Because we don't get any
[1:20:17] Speaker 26: answers from the university. But our next step, my first
[1:20:22] Speaker 26: our first goal is go ahead. Our first goal is
[1:20:26] Speaker 26: hoping that our national Alumni Association president will step up
[1:20:31] Speaker 26: because he would have standing those of us that file
[1:20:34] Speaker 26: that suit some years ago. All he would have to
[1:20:36] Speaker 26: do is wipe our name out, stamp his name there,
[1:20:40] Speaker 26: and he would have standing to go to court well,
[1:20:42] Speaker 26: you know, and that would be the best way for
[1:20:44] Speaker 26: us to go, as opposed to hoping that the Attorney
[1:20:48] Speaker 26: General will step up to the plate.
[1:20:52] Speaker 4: Sharlotte University set us a statement when we reached out.
[1:20:55] Speaker 4: They said, increasing death is not on his own tell
[1:20:57] Speaker 4: the story regarding the university's property decisions, Responsible financial stewardship
[1:21:02] Speaker 4: requires evaluating how resources are utilized, what investments they support,
[1:21:06] Speaker 4: and how those decisions contribute to the university's long term
[1:21:09] Speaker 4: stability in missions. The university's debt has increased in the
[1:21:12] Speaker 4: last few years, doing large part to delayed maintenance, including
[1:21:16] Speaker 4: the HVAC systems, and enrollment decline. They also said that
[1:21:21] Speaker 4: several non core properties have been sold in recent years.
[1:21:24] Speaker 4: The non core properties sold were either through the donor's
[1:21:27] Speaker 4: wishes and always through appropriate processes and at market value
[1:21:31] Speaker 4: reflective of the real estate conditions and valuations at the
[1:21:35] Speaker 4: time of the transaction. They say that Universe's approach to
[1:21:40] Speaker 4: campus progress, planning, and land use has been thoughtful and
[1:21:44] Speaker 4: informed by intentional engaging with alumni, faculty, staff, the surrounding
[1:21:48] Speaker 4: community and professional expertise. In twenty nineteen, Shaw University engaged
[1:21:53] Speaker 4: the Urban Land Institute to provide an independent assessment and
[1:21:57] Speaker 4: strategic recommendations related to campus developed, land used partnerships and
[1:22:02] Speaker 4: long term growth opportunities. The resulting reporters is part of
[1:22:05] Speaker 4: an extensive effort to thoughtfully evaluate how our assets can
[1:22:09] Speaker 4: best support our mission and sustainability. They also address the
[1:22:13] Speaker 4: issue of rezoning, master plan and by law changes. They
[1:22:16] Speaker 4: said in summary, with the twenty twenty two reinformation by
[1:22:21] Speaker 4: SACS coc our accrediting body and adjusted plans to roll
[1:22:25] Speaker 4: out the SHAWU District Resoning master Plan in fall twenty
[1:22:29] Speaker 4: twenty six, our focus remains on strengthening Shaw University's financial
[1:22:33] Speaker 4: foundation through thoughtful stewardship, strategic planning, enrollment growth, expanded partnerships
[1:22:39] Speaker 4: and the versus bid revenue opportunities, while preserving the legacy
[1:22:42] Speaker 4: and mission that have defined Shaw use his eighteen sixty
[1:22:45] Speaker 4: five Your Final Comment.
[1:22:48] Speaker 26: So Roland Fall twenty twenty six will be an opportunity
[1:22:51] Speaker 26: again to avoid the alumni body. Well, doctor Dilly came
[1:22:57] Speaker 26: to the alumni meeting and this October whenever it was
[1:23:03] Speaker 26: doctor Dillar was at the meeting. She said, we're not
[1:23:05] Speaker 26: selling any downtown property. Think about the think about the
[1:23:08] Speaker 26: multiple lives that we've we've been faced with.
[1:23:11] Speaker 23: There's nothing left but downtown. There's nothing left.
[1:23:15] Speaker 26: Butt ouould down now now the language is where we're
[1:23:18] Speaker 26: selling non core properties. Why they haven't showed that master
[1:23:23] Speaker 26: plan is because it wipes out the entire campus. It
[1:23:26] Speaker 26: wipes out what we know as the yard, It wipes
[1:23:29] Speaker 26: out the latest dormitories that they built. The joke was
[1:23:33] Speaker 26: Shaw University is one block. They are literally turning this
[1:23:37] Speaker 26: into one block. When you look at the rezoning application,
[1:23:41] Speaker 26: it says Shaw will house one hundred students in the
[1:23:44] Speaker 26: third building for five years.
[1:23:46] Speaker 23: What about the first what's the first two buildings? Why
[1:23:49] Speaker 23: only for five years?
[1:23:51] Speaker 26: And Roland, if you will allow me, I know, I
[1:23:54] Speaker 26: know you, but let me just take it back to
[1:23:56] Speaker 26: the radio station sales. Let me talk about the most
[1:24:00] Speaker 26: to pool scams. See WSAJA was sold to cover up
[1:24:03] Speaker 26: a bunch of things. When doctor a Mecca filed his
[1:24:06] Speaker 26: lawsuit his whistle blow, a lawsuit he said he was
[1:24:09] Speaker 26: asked to sign off on the fraudulent audit. Doctor Ameica
[1:24:13] Speaker 26: said his budget was twenty to twenty thousand, but they
[1:24:15] Speaker 26: told him it was five hundred thousand, and he had
[1:24:18] Speaker 26: paid interns he never met. So let's somebody spent somebody
[1:24:23] Speaker 26: spent over five hundred thousand dollars. Tried depending on doctor America,
[1:24:28] Speaker 26: somebody was receiving checks from WSAJ, tried depending on doctor A. Mecca,
[1:24:33] Speaker 26: and then they would have turned this over to the
[1:24:36] Speaker 26: Center for Public Broadcasting trying to get matching funds.
[1:24:39] Speaker 23: And when doctor Mecca said no.
[1:24:41] Speaker 26: Even within his lawsuit, he was like, remember what happened
[1:24:44] Speaker 26: to doctor Jared the years before for four hundred thousand dollars.
[1:24:47] Speaker 26: This is why Shaw does not prosper Roland. Everybody has
[1:24:51] Speaker 26: their hands in the piggy bank. We need our border
[1:24:54] Speaker 26: trustees to leave. They've been there for more than Willy
[1:24:57] Speaker 26: Gary forty years, Lorenzo nine years, Tom Darden thirty four years,
[1:25:03] Speaker 26: even our current chair Joseph Bell twenty eight years. Roland
[1:25:08] Speaker 26: our charter specifically says three years. These people have bastardized
[1:25:13] Speaker 26: their own bylaws. They don't follow the Ruse to their
[1:25:15] Speaker 26: own bylaws. It's to the point now where we're going
[1:25:19] Speaker 26: to lose.
[1:25:19] Speaker 23: Everything if we do not get rid of these people.
[1:25:22] Speaker 23: These people have to go.
[1:25:24] Speaker 26: The only reason to keep doctor Dillard around for another
[1:25:26] Speaker 26: year is not to focus on the master plan, is
[1:25:31] Speaker 26: to get this check that they're waiting for.
[1:25:34] Speaker 23: Roland. We had a fire in January.
[1:25:37] Speaker 26: We had a fire in January, and turns out the
[1:25:41] Speaker 26: buildings failed the fire inspection.
[1:25:44] Speaker 23: Back in December.
[1:25:46] Speaker 26: Come to find out, all of the dormitories have failed
[1:25:50] Speaker 26: the inspection. So you're not keeping the kids safe, You're
[1:25:53] Speaker 26: not bringing in any money. The endowment is shrinking. We
[1:25:57] Speaker 26: didn't even get into the audit. They borrow money from
[1:26:00] Speaker 26: the endowment right now and there's two point eight million
[1:26:02] Speaker 26: that they.
[1:26:03] Speaker 23: Took from endowment. You're not supposed to be able to
[1:26:05] Speaker 23: do that.
[1:26:06] Speaker 26: You have the class in nineteen seventy one focusing on
[1:26:10] Speaker 26: finishing off their one million dollar endowment with I believe
[1:26:14] Speaker 26: they owe. They want to give like twenty and fifty million.
[1:26:18] Speaker 26: They don't even know where the rest of their money
[1:26:19] Speaker 26: is at. So at this point, Bro, we have to
[1:26:23] Speaker 26: put the alumni together to either focus on getting our
[1:26:27] Speaker 26: naa president to follow this suit. But we have to
[1:26:30] Speaker 26: get the alumni together to pressure the Attorney General to
[1:26:34] Speaker 26: step up to the plate to investigate the scam.
[1:26:37] Speaker 23: Well else we're gonna lose hundreds of millions of dollars
[1:26:39] Speaker 23: in real estate. Hundreds of millions of dollars in real estate.
[1:26:44] Speaker 4: All right, Eujim Mark, keep us abresting with apples.
[1:26:46] Speaker 23: Next, thank you, Roland. I appreciate you.
[1:26:49] Speaker 4: We appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Uh, folks,
[1:26:53] Speaker 4: you can always count on Fox News showing their stupidity.
[1:26:58] Speaker 4: They really hate smart people, They really like them dumb.
[1:27:01] Speaker 4: Donald Trump likes them dumb. And if you want a
[1:27:05] Speaker 4: good example of that, listen to this compilation of these
[1:27:09] Speaker 4: idiots led by the chief idiot, Lawrence B. Jones.
[1:27:14] Speaker 27: I will say this, the college educated are the problem
[1:27:18] Speaker 27: as well. The college educator are the ones that are
[1:27:21] Speaker 27: buying into this. They're coming off the college campuses. They're
[1:27:24] Speaker 27: being taught this new worldview. It's not like when we
[1:27:28] Speaker 27: went to college when they had open debate. It doesn't exist.
[1:27:32] Speaker 28: I'll back you up on that because if you look
[1:27:34] Speaker 28: at Piker, he's got a lot of degrees. Of course,
[1:27:36] Speaker 28: said his whole life in academia as this MONDAMMI right,
[1:27:40] Speaker 28: these are highly educated people who come out with an
[1:27:43] Speaker 28: agenda and they're trying to make a difference in their thirties.
[1:27:47] Speaker 29: Who's voting for these socialists? Highly educated? Brian likes to
[1:27:51] Speaker 29: say over educated. We had a nice gentleman in the
[1:27:53] Speaker 29: audience who said he blames the colleges. They're learning a
[1:27:56] Speaker 29: lot of this in college. They're not being taught what
[1:27:58] Speaker 29: a country looks like under communist rule or under socialism.
[1:28:02] Speaker 29: And also the wealthier voting for them.
[1:28:04] Speaker 4: American dream is dead. If you don't want to work.
[1:28:07] Speaker 28: Colleges have been conditioning kids not to. They've been taught
[1:28:12] Speaker 28: the country stole the land, rip the world off. So
[1:28:15] Speaker 28: these lifelong students who got everything free at college feel
[1:28:19] Speaker 28: like America owes them something that they shouldn't have to
[1:28:22] Speaker 28: earn it.
[1:28:23] Speaker 4: They're getting a majority of their votes right now from
[1:28:25] Speaker 4: the most educated folks. Some would say maybe overcredentialed educated folks.
[1:28:31] Speaker 3: M is it?
[1:28:32] Speaker 4: That's get some shame? Fox News they're saying, Oh, I'm sorry,
[1:28:37] Speaker 4: too bad, you actually have an education? Can is they
[1:28:40] Speaker 4: like them dumb? The right Queen likes them dumb? That's
[1:28:44] Speaker 4: why Donald Trust's biggest group is non college white people.
[1:28:51] Speaker 15: And you know, there's another big point that I just
[1:28:53] Speaker 15: have to bring up, and that is this people who
[1:28:56] Speaker 15: go to.
[1:28:56] Speaker 14: College and get out and have to pay those loans
[1:28:59] Speaker 14: because the education is and is so broken and you
[1:29:02] Speaker 14: have to you know, end up paying two hundred thousand
[1:29:04] Speaker 14: dollars on a bill that started out as forty. After
[1:29:07] Speaker 14: fifteen years, they're trying to figure it out how to
[1:29:09] Speaker 14: even get a job to pay that loan. It's all broken.
[1:29:13] Speaker 14: So you know, they're talking about one issue as if
[1:29:16] Speaker 14: college educated people don't want to work. I mean some
[1:29:20] Speaker 14: of them don't, let's be real, you know, just young
[1:29:22] Speaker 14: people who get out of school.
[1:29:24] Speaker 15: I know that I've tried to give away jobs. But
[1:29:26] Speaker 15: the other big.
[1:29:27] Speaker 14: Portion of it is that they can't afford not to
[1:29:30] Speaker 14: work and they're trying to figure out how to pay
[1:29:31] Speaker 14: off these student loans are like at albatross around their neck.
[1:29:35] Speaker 15: So there are a lot of issues that have nothing
[1:29:38] Speaker 15: to do with learning or knowing more about socialism or communism.
[1:29:43] Speaker 14: This all ties into into the subject that we were
[1:29:46] Speaker 14: talking about earlier, and the No Woke Act and making
[1:29:50] Speaker 14: sure that professors are you know, have their First Amendment
[1:29:54] Speaker 14: rights limited.
[1:29:55] Speaker 5: All.
[1:29:55] Speaker 6: It's all connected.
[1:29:57] Speaker 14: And the truth is when you get into the schools,
[1:29:59] Speaker 14: whether it's Keith through twelve, whether it's on.
[1:30:01] Speaker 15: A university level, you can change minds. And that is
[1:30:06] Speaker 15: the problem for them right now.
[1:30:07] Speaker 14: They're scared that people are so educated, and when you're educated,
[1:30:12] Speaker 14: you actually do know better.
[1:30:13] Speaker 15: And that's what they're up against.
[1:30:17] Speaker 4: They also know educated people can see through Fox News
[1:30:20] Speaker 4: is bs. We saw the last election and it was
[1:30:23] Speaker 4: shown and the data, Matt, that the more educated a
[1:30:28] Speaker 4: person presented with the facts, they can call out Fox
[1:30:31] Speaker 4: News BS as opposed to them feeding people who are
[1:30:37] Speaker 4: not educated who go well, you know, Sean Handy said it,
[1:30:41] Speaker 4: so it must be right.
[1:30:44] Speaker 16: Yeah, full stop. See Also Ted Cruz went to Princeton
[1:30:47] Speaker 16: and Harvard. Josh Hawley went to Stanford and Yale. So
[1:30:51] Speaker 16: these educated people that are their manipulative overlords are leveraging this.
[1:30:56] Speaker 4: Oh my god, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, you left Matt,
[1:31:00] Speaker 4: you left out John Kenny and Louisiana. All of a sudden,
[1:31:04] Speaker 4: you talk with he doesn't even talk like that. Also,
[1:31:08] Speaker 4: Harvard educated, and so his whole ascent is a stick.
[1:31:13] Speaker 3: It's fake.
[1:31:16] Speaker 7: Yeah, so, I think I've said this on this show.
[1:31:18] Speaker 16: But this is why I find particularly Josh Hawley and
[1:31:21] Speaker 16: Ted Cruz to be among the most insidious politicians there are,
[1:31:25] Speaker 16: because they're very highly educated. I think one or both
[1:31:28] Speaker 16: of them were valedictorians. They're not idiots by any stretch,
[1:31:32] Speaker 16: but they know that there's a very large contingent of
[1:31:34] Speaker 16: people out there who feel this country was stolen from them,
[1:31:37] Speaker 16: particularly you know, poorly educated, middle class white people. Right,
[1:31:42] Speaker 16: so they stoke that fire despite being in the upper
[1:31:45] Speaker 16: echelon of society and laughing at the pleas nonetheless.
[1:31:49] Speaker 4: Right.
[1:31:50] Speaker 7: So this is intellectually dishonest.
[1:31:52] Speaker 16: It's problematic, especially because if you listen really deeply to
[1:31:56] Speaker 16: what Lawrence Jones said. He said, Oh, we go to
[1:31:58] Speaker 16: college and it's used to be about open debate. The
[1:32:02] Speaker 16: same people who are trying to vilify open debate with
[1:32:07] Speaker 16: a stop woke act.
[1:32:08] Speaker 4: Right.
[1:32:08] Speaker 16: You can't have it both ways, And what it comes
[1:32:11] Speaker 16: down to is exactly what you said. They don't like
[1:32:13] Speaker 16: educated people because educating people think critically.
[1:32:17] Speaker 7: But what I think is.
[1:32:18] Speaker 16: Especially dishonest is very educated people are at the top
[1:32:22] Speaker 16: of their tea jd vance.
[1:32:23] Speaker 7: Then he go to Yale Law School. You know, right,
[1:32:26] Speaker 7: they know that what they're doing.
[1:32:28] Speaker 16: Is they're pissing off people who feel this country has
[1:32:30] Speaker 16: been stolen from them, and they are vilifying education to say, see,
[1:32:34] Speaker 16: that's another thing that these blacks and these women and
[1:32:37] Speaker 16: these whomever else took from you. Right, they went and
[1:32:40] Speaker 16: got this fancy degree, and now they're living the life
[1:32:43] Speaker 16: you're supposed to be living. That's what we're hearing without
[1:32:46] Speaker 16: them saying it, and that's why I think it's intellectually
[1:32:48] Speaker 16: dishonest and particularly insidious.
[1:32:53] Speaker 8: Michael, Yeah, Roland, So we know Lawrence B. Jones is
[1:32:58] Speaker 8: the court jester of Five and Friends. But I want
[1:33:01] Speaker 8: to point out something that was Brian kill Me that
[1:33:04] Speaker 8: was there in that segment, that first clip that you
[1:33:07] Speaker 8: showed with Lawrence B.
[1:33:08] Speaker 9: Jones.
[1:33:09] Speaker 8: Back on October eighteenth, twenty twenty four, Donald Trump, during
[1:33:15] Speaker 8: the campaign was on Fox and Friends, and Brian killed
[1:33:18] Speaker 8: Me asked them, what if one of these liberal states,
[1:33:22] Speaker 8: like California, for instance, says we're going to teach this
[1:33:25] Speaker 8: new history where the country was built on was built
[1:33:30] Speaker 8: on stolen land, built by slaves, what would you do?
[1:33:33] Speaker 8: Donald Trump said, we would stop sending that state money
[1:33:37] Speaker 8: for education. He's talking about the Department of Education. He said,
[1:33:40] Speaker 8: we would stop sending them money. Okay, when you have dictators,
[1:33:44] Speaker 8: they attack institutions of higher learning because the resistance is
[1:33:50] Speaker 8: going to come from those that have the most education,
[1:33:53] Speaker 8: because they really can see what you're doing. Okay, people
[1:33:56] Speaker 8: who have taken a political science class can see through
[1:33:59] Speaker 8: Donald's Trump's nonsense. They can see through Fox News. But
[1:34:02] Speaker 8: when you have when Donald Trump said I love the uneducated,
[1:34:06] Speaker 8: he wasn't lying.
[1:34:07] Speaker 4: He usually lies, but he was not lying.
[1:34:09] Speaker 8: When he says when he said that, because he can
[1:34:12] Speaker 8: deceive them. And the proof that he could deceive them
[1:34:15] Speaker 8: is what happened. January sixth, twenty twenty one.
[1:34:22] Speaker 4: I'm so glad Matt brought up jd Vance. So. Jd
[1:34:28] Speaker 4: Vance was talking about fraud.
[1:34:30] Speaker 1: And he said this, we've got a party that is
[1:34:37] Speaker 1: fighting for fraud and a party that is fighting against fraud.
[1:34:46] Speaker 4: We've got party.
[1:34:49] Speaker 1: We've got a party that is fighting for fraud and
[1:34:53] Speaker 1: a party that is fighting against fraud.
[1:35:00] Speaker 4: We're not back one more time.
[1:35:05] Speaker 1: We've got a party that is fighting for fraud in
[1:35:08] Speaker 1: a party that is fighting against fraud.
[1:35:14] Speaker 4: Interesting, So I am reading Matt, this is a tweet
[1:35:21] Speaker 4: from Benjamin Penn. He's with Bloomberg. He's a senior reporter
[1:35:28] Speaker 4: Department of Justice, Bloomberg Law scoop. This is four hours
[1:35:32] Speaker 4: ago on Twitter. Trump DOJ to drop charges for a
[1:35:37] Speaker 4: leg seven and twenty two million dollar crypto ponzi schemer
[1:35:42] Speaker 4: just before trial, Big Club Mastermind said he built scam
[1:35:46] Speaker 4: on backs of idiots and sheep. He hired Trump connected
[1:35:50] Speaker 4: lawyers to lobby DOJ headquarters for relief overruling New Jersey prosecutors.
[1:35:57] Speaker 4: We can read off a line of people that Donald
[1:36:01] Speaker 4: Trump has pardoned and allow them to keep the money.
[1:36:06] Speaker 4: People who pons these schemers, defrauders, folks have stolen. And
[1:36:11] Speaker 4: so Trump's idea is that all of these people are
[1:36:15] Speaker 4: the victims of over zealous prosecution. Jad E. Vans the
[1:36:19] Speaker 4: party you're talking about who is protecting fraudsters.
[1:36:23] Speaker 7: It's yours, one hundred percent right, one hundred percent right.
[1:36:28] Speaker 16: Which is exactly why the last time I was on
[1:36:31] Speaker 16: this very show, we talked about Mike Johnson talking about
[1:36:34] Speaker 16: them being afraid of the investigations. Remember that conversation, and
[1:36:38] Speaker 16: that's exactly what is coming because there's been this is
[1:36:42] Speaker 16: administration and those connected to them have been replete with fraud.
[1:36:46] Speaker 16: And that's what's so dishonest about This is exactly why
[1:36:48] Speaker 16: you want uneducated people, because people who are paying any
[1:36:52] Speaker 16: attention at all, they're going to say, you're talking out
[1:36:54] Speaker 16: of both sides of your head.
[1:36:55] Speaker 7: You're saying it's about fraud.
[1:36:57] Speaker 16: But every week there's a new corruption you know you
[1:37:00] Speaker 16: or every new metric we hear is that the Trump
[1:37:03] Speaker 16: family has made something like what two point two billion
[1:37:06] Speaker 16: dollars is net worth has gone up since he's been
[1:37:09] Speaker 16: back in office, and a lot of it is connected
[1:37:11] Speaker 16: to crypto.
[1:37:12] Speaker 7: It's just out and out corruption, and it's out and
[1:37:14] Speaker 7: out fraud.
[1:37:15] Speaker 16: But if you move the goalpost, and if you control
[1:37:18] Speaker 16: the messaging, and if you make the messaging you know,
[1:37:21] Speaker 16: stronger from the Republican side than what the Democrats have
[1:37:24] Speaker 16: come up with, then you get that contingent of people
[1:37:26] Speaker 16: that you need in your base to give you a
[1:37:28] Speaker 16: one off and let you get away with anything.
[1:37:30] Speaker 7: And that's what we're seeing. We're seeing a.
[1:37:32] Speaker 16: Massive grift on the greatest scale ever right before our eyes.
[1:37:36] Speaker 16: Because instead of calling it fraud, you just say the
[1:37:38] Speaker 16: other guy's doing fraud while you continue to commit it.
[1:37:45] Speaker 4: It is beyond laughable. Canda is to look at this,
[1:37:50] Speaker 4: the richest cabinet in history. How Donald Trump is just
[1:37:55] Speaker 4: letting these rich FoST skate and these dumb ass mag
[1:38:00] Speaker 4: it's out here who are broke his hell keep lifting
[1:38:04] Speaker 4: this guy up. I'm like, he doesn't care about you.
[1:38:08] Speaker 4: He cares about rich people. But these people are so
[1:38:12] Speaker 4: clueless and so uneducated. They are in a cult where
[1:38:16] Speaker 4: they think he is absolutely their god.
[1:38:21] Speaker 15: And that's exactly what I was going to say. I
[1:38:23] Speaker 15: was going to use the word cult. Go through and
[1:38:25] Speaker 15: look up what cult.
[1:38:27] Speaker 14: You know what it means to be in a cult,
[1:38:28] Speaker 14: all the boxes that you have to check. This is
[1:38:31] Speaker 14: someone who they look up to as a god. They
[1:38:34] Speaker 14: don't know what they're they don't know what he's about,
[1:38:37] Speaker 14: they don't know what they're doing. They're not educated enough
[1:38:40] Speaker 14: to understand what they've gotten into.
[1:38:43] Speaker 15: Then another part of me is like, do we really
[1:38:45] Speaker 15: dignify this?
[1:38:46] Speaker 14: Isn't this the White House that at the WWF in
[1:38:48] Speaker 14: front of the of the in the lawn of the
[1:38:51] Speaker 14: White House?
[1:38:51] Speaker 15: Is that who we're talking about here.
[1:38:53] Speaker 14: The other thing is that, you know, when we think
[1:38:56] Speaker 14: about how Trump and the executive branch of the government functions.
[1:39:01] Speaker 14: You say something enough, it gets into people's heads and
[1:39:05] Speaker 14: they ultimately believe it. This is just another same old
[1:39:09] Speaker 14: play from their playbook that they're going to keep on
[1:39:12] Speaker 14: target up until next week and say it enough and
[1:39:16] Speaker 14: people ultimately believe it.
[1:39:19] Speaker 15: And that is also what happens in a cult.
[1:39:21] Speaker 14: You plant that seed, you say it enough, and somebody
[1:39:25] Speaker 14: ultimately says, you know what, that's true because I've got
[1:39:27] Speaker 14: all these other co signers around me that are saying
[1:39:30] Speaker 14: that's true.
[1:39:31] Speaker 7: And I'm caught up in my.
[1:39:32] Speaker 14: Own world and don't even understand or have the level
[1:39:35] Speaker 14: of intelligence to understand that there's a.
[1:39:37] Speaker 15: Whole world out there that sees that I'm crazy. They
[1:39:42] Speaker 15: don't see that. They don't see that at all.
[1:39:47] Speaker 4: Now they don't, and Michael, they just believe whatever is this, dude,
[1:39:51] Speaker 4: It is so blatant that literally they're like, hey, you
[1:39:55] Speaker 4: want to part, it gonna cost you two million dollars.
[1:39:57] Speaker 4: The biggest business today for lawyers is if you're a
[1:40:02] Speaker 4: Trump connected lawyer. These folks are blowing them up, just
[1:40:06] Speaker 4: buying their way out of jail. And Trump is like, hey, yeah,
[1:40:08] Speaker 4: don't worry about it, y'all. Just keep the millions upon millions.
[1:40:12] Speaker 4: Y'all stole from other people. It's all good. You can
[1:40:15] Speaker 4: go ahead and go home. You can go back to
[1:40:17] Speaker 4: your yachts, and you can go back to your mansions.
[1:40:22] Speaker 8: Yeah, Rowland. You know, the Republican Party used to be
[1:40:25] Speaker 8: the party of law and order. They said they can't
[1:40:29] Speaker 8: claim that anymore. They can't claim family values either. They
[1:40:33] Speaker 8: can't claim fiscal responsibility either, because Donald Trump is shredded
[1:40:36] Speaker 8: all of that. You know, this is an authoritarian tactic
[1:40:43] Speaker 8: hidden on Cannas's point, where you repeat a lie over
[1:40:48] Speaker 8: and over and over again and fools will believe it.
[1:40:51] Speaker 8: And this is something that Trump does. This is why
[1:40:54] Speaker 8: he targets the uneducated. And it's when you go through
[1:41:01] Speaker 8: and study how this works. It's usually the highly educated,
[1:41:06] Speaker 8: like the people you mentioned, John Kennedy, Al Louisiana jd.
[1:41:10] Speaker 8: Vance Yale lrd degree, punk ass Ted Cruz is usually
[1:41:16] Speaker 8: the elite that have these elite degrees that manipulate those
[1:41:20] Speaker 8: that don't have them. Okay, so these are things that
[1:41:24] Speaker 8: we warn people about, but this doesn't surprise me. Donald
[1:41:29] Speaker 8: Trump is corrupt and rotten to the core, and you know,
[1:41:33] Speaker 8: we're gonna we're gonna see more of this. Hopefully there's
[1:41:36] Speaker 8: a reckoning if Democrats take control of the White House
[1:41:40] Speaker 8: in twenty twenty eight, take control of the Department of Justice,
[1:41:43] Speaker 8: hopefully there's a reckoning on a lot of these acts
[1:41:47] Speaker 8: that have taken place. But I wouldn't be surprised that
[1:41:49] Speaker 8: Trump gives himself a parton on the way out the door.
[1:41:55] Speaker 4: Well, I just saw this story right here where the
[1:42:01] Speaker 4: this this guy was a play at guilty. You own
[1:42:05] Speaker 4: Epoch Times. It says a former Epoch Times executive pleted
[1:42:10] Speaker 4: guilty to a sixty seven million dollar fraud scheme that
[1:42:13] Speaker 4: helped fund the right wing newspaper. This is from Courthouse News.
[1:42:17] Speaker 4: Trust me. In a couple of weeks, don't be shot
[1:42:21] Speaker 4: he gets a part from Donald Trump. All right, folks,
[1:42:23] Speaker 4: gotta go to a break. We'll be back rolling Mark
[1:42:25] Speaker 4: Unfilcher right here on the Blackstar Network. All right, folks,
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[1:43:57] Speaker 30: Selina Choles and I'm from Louisiana.
[1:44:02] Speaker 15: Yes, that is Zonical capital of the world.
[1:44:06] Speaker 9: My name is Margaret Chappelle. I'm from Dallas, Texas, represented the.
[1:44:09] Speaker 12: Urban Trivia Games.
[1:44:10] Speaker 15: Me Sherry shepra and you know what you watch.
[1:44:12] Speaker 9: Roland Martin, an unfiltered.
[1:44:26] Speaker 4: A black cop in Georgia is facing charge of involuntary
[1:44:28] Speaker 4: at manslaughter in a reckless conduct after accidentally discharging his
[1:44:33] Speaker 4: gun that killed the black teenager. The incident took place
[1:44:36] Speaker 4: Tuesday evening in the backyard of a home in the
[1:44:38] Speaker 4: Avondale Estates in Georgia, According to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.
[1:44:42] Speaker 4: Nineteen year old Jaydon Eccles was questioned earlier that day
[1:44:46] Speaker 4: about his involvement in an armed robbery for mail carrier,
[1:44:49] Speaker 4: but he was later allowed to leave. Officers later learned
[1:44:52] Speaker 4: that Eccles had an active arrest warrant and began searching
[1:44:55] Speaker 4: for him, during which he hid in nearby woods. When
[1:44:58] Speaker 4: the cab County Police officer Derek Harris located Echos, he
[1:45:01] Speaker 4: gave a team verbal commands while holding him at gunpoint.
[1:45:04] Speaker 4: Echos comply. While Echles was lying face down, Harris attempted
[1:45:08] Speaker 4: to take him into custody, using one hand to hold
[1:45:11] Speaker 4: his firearm at the teen's back, on the other hand
[1:45:14] Speaker 4: to handle the handcuffs during the process, Harris actually discharged
[1:45:18] Speaker 4: his firearm epicles was transported to the hospital where lated
[1:45:21] Speaker 4: died from his injuries. Folks in the US Navy is
[1:45:24] Speaker 4: ending permanent shaving waivers for sailors with chronic skin condition
[1:45:28] Speaker 4: caused by shaving. Under an updated policy, sailor's diagnosed with
[1:45:32] Speaker 4: razor bumps can receive medical treatment and temporary shaving waivers
[1:45:36] Speaker 4: for up to a year. If they are still unable
[1:45:39] Speaker 4: to shave after they could After that, they could be
[1:45:42] Speaker 4: discharged from the Navy. The Navy says the policy is
[1:45:46] Speaker 4: about military readiness and ensuring protective equipment fits properly. This
[1:45:52] Speaker 4: decision is drawing criticism based on the fact that razor
[1:45:55] Speaker 4: bumps disproportionately affect black men. Medical experts say sixty percent
[1:45:59] Speaker 4: of black men experienced razor bumps. All this is, Michael,
[1:46:03] Speaker 4: is the latest a tip by a pete had set
[1:46:06] Speaker 4: to have a white military.
[1:46:09] Speaker 8: Yeah, Roland, you know, I agree. I think this is
[1:46:12] Speaker 8: targeting African American men in the military.
[1:46:15] Speaker 16: Now.
[1:46:17] Speaker 8: I do know that for some type of equipment that
[1:46:20] Speaker 8: you have to wear on your face. I do know,
[1:46:24] Speaker 8: like for emergency responders.
[1:46:26] Speaker 7: Things like that.
[1:46:26] Speaker 8: In some cases they tell them they can't have facial hair.
[1:46:30] Speaker 4: I do know that.
[1:46:31] Speaker 8: Now my question would be, okay, if you say that
[1:46:34] Speaker 8: you're doing this so that certain equipment will fit properly
[1:46:39] Speaker 8: on the face, right, well, how is the equipment fitting?
[1:46:43] Speaker 4: Now?
[1:46:43] Speaker 8: What evidence do you have that the equipment is not
[1:46:47] Speaker 8: fitting now? Okay, because I haven't seen anything saying well,
[1:46:50] Speaker 8: the equipment is not fitting properly. Okay, so this is
[1:46:53] Speaker 8: why we're doing this. So to me, this seems a
[1:46:57] Speaker 8: way to attack DEI without only a THEI.
[1:47:05] Speaker 16: Matt, Yeah, I think Michael pretty much summed up my
[1:47:10] Speaker 16: thoughts on it. I mean, I don't I don't really
[1:47:12] Speaker 16: see that this is in any way a veiled attempt
[1:47:14] Speaker 16: at attacking black sailors. I am interested in the question
[1:47:19] Speaker 16: of whether, you know, if you shave and get razor bumps,
[1:47:21] Speaker 16: if you can still serve, or if it's a question
[1:47:24] Speaker 16: of can you not shave at all? Presumably that might
[1:47:27] Speaker 16: mean a much smaller number of people. But if sixty
[1:47:30] Speaker 16: percent of the people affected or are gonna sixty percent
[1:47:33] Speaker 16: of black men get them, including my dad, who has
[1:47:36] Speaker 16: used that disgusting magic shave my whole life, you know,
[1:47:40] Speaker 16: are the ones who get razor bumps. Then I think
[1:47:41] Speaker 16: it's a pretty thinly veiled attempt at attacking those black sailors.
[1:47:45] Speaker 7: But it's pete techseeth. So what's new.
[1:47:51] Speaker 4: Canvas.
[1:47:52] Speaker 14: Yeah, well, clearly we see what's going on. There used
[1:47:55] Speaker 14: to be a waiver for this right because it is
[1:47:57] Speaker 14: in medical condition. Those razor bumps.
[1:47:59] Speaker 7: Are no joke.
[1:48:00] Speaker 15: We've seen the extremes of what razor bumps can look like.
[1:48:03] Speaker 14: Like Matt said, we all know about the creams and
[1:48:05] Speaker 14: how it smells, and the process and surgeries that black
[1:48:09] Speaker 14: men go through. So this was a change because of
[1:48:13] Speaker 14: what they ultimately wanted to do, which is meet their
[1:48:17] Speaker 14: goal of getting rid of black men in the military.
[1:48:20] Speaker 14: Because now it's a very strict scrutiny rule. But if
[1:48:24] Speaker 14: you look at this, this has to do with medicine,
[1:48:28] Speaker 14: having a medical condition, and when you have a medical condition,
[1:48:31] Speaker 14: you have rights. And if this goes to court, and
[1:48:34] Speaker 14: if anybody fights it, it's going to be fought on
[1:48:36] Speaker 14: those particular medical rights that you have. It's just something
[1:48:41] Speaker 14: too that you can't really explain unless one your black
[1:48:46] Speaker 14: man have experienced it and share it.
[1:48:49] Speaker 15: And these aren't the people who are looking at this situation.
[1:48:52] Speaker 14: They don't know what it's like to have razor bumps
[1:48:54] Speaker 14: to the extent that we have seen black men have
[1:48:58] Speaker 14: those razor bumps, and might I say black women too.
[1:49:01] Speaker 14: I'm just being real, right because black women sometimes they
[1:49:04] Speaker 14: have to shape too when they get some of the
[1:49:05] Speaker 14: same results. So it'll us to do really with, you know,
[1:49:10] Speaker 14: getting rid of you know, diversity, getting rid of inclusion
[1:49:14] Speaker 14: in this process in the.
[1:49:16] Speaker 15: Name of in the name of medicine, we are going
[1:49:18] Speaker 15: to see lawsuits.
[1:49:22] Speaker 4: All right. Let me thank Candice, Matt and Michael being
[1:49:27] Speaker 4: on today's show.
[1:49:27] Speaker 5: She'll appreciate it.
[1:49:28] Speaker 4: Thanks a bunch. We're going to go to a break.
[1:49:30] Speaker 4: We come back. I'm gonna talk to the co founders
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[1:49:59] Speaker 4: you to this. We're no strangers to systems that don't
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[1:50:07] Speaker 4: I'm telling you about Chapter. Their advisors are independent and honest.
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[1:52:10] Speaker 4: contract that went to African Americans. That was two percent,
[1:52:14] Speaker 4: not a great number, but it also was a record number.
[1:52:17] Speaker 4: Here in Texas. The Texas Hub program was disbanded by
[1:52:21] Speaker 4: Republicans here, but this is still as about it. When
[1:52:23] Speaker 4: you look at the opportunities for African Americans to be
[1:52:26] Speaker 4: able to build businesses, government has been the number one
[1:52:30] Speaker 4: place for the past forty years for black businesses. And
[1:52:34] Speaker 4: so my next two guests co found a company called
[1:52:37] Speaker 4: First Bid utilizing AI technology to be able to sort
[1:52:41] Speaker 4: of make it easier of folks maybe the state contracts
[1:52:45] Speaker 4: and find them owning the Lisa is joining us Christie
[1:52:47] Speaker 4: Parker as well. Glad to have y'all here. So explain
[1:52:50] Speaker 4: to us what exactly is first Bid, Thank you so.
[1:52:53] Speaker 7: Much, Roland.
[1:52:54] Speaker 17: So, First Bid is a government intelligent platform that aggregates
[1:53:00] Speaker 17: from different federal sources, local and county sources into one
[1:53:05] Speaker 17: position or different If you have a small business, if
[1:53:08] Speaker 17: you're certified small business woman, own business, under own utilized business,
[1:53:13] Speaker 17: you go on there, you take your code in and
[1:53:16] Speaker 17: then we created a platform where everything is syncd to
[1:53:19] Speaker 17: one everything sorry, where everything is synced to one space.
[1:53:23] Speaker 17: So normally where businesses would have to use a lot
[1:53:26] Speaker 17: of resources, we're kind of condensing it to try to
[1:53:28] Speaker 17: help small businesses get it upper hand and be equal
[1:53:31] Speaker 17: with these big firms who do have big staff like
[1:53:35] Speaker 17: five to twenty people.
[1:53:36] Speaker 4: You can now do that with this one platform. We're
[1:53:39] Speaker 4: trying to level the playing fields, all right. So this
[1:53:41] Speaker 4: is this for Texas? Is it national? This this platform?
[1:53:47] Speaker 31: So we're here in Texas, Houston, Texas, to be exact.
[1:53:51] Speaker 31: So that's where we started and our feet are on
[1:53:53] Speaker 31: the ground here, so that's where we want to keep.
[1:53:55] Speaker 4: It right now.
[1:53:56] Speaker 6: But eventually we're going to spread out all.
[1:53:59] Speaker 15: Over the US.
[1:54:00] Speaker 4: And so when you talk about it, so are you're
[1:54:02] Speaker 4: going to be adding more data into it? So when
[1:54:06] Speaker 4: someone is looking to apply for a contract, because listen,
[1:54:09] Speaker 4: you can have a business in Texas, but you can
[1:54:11] Speaker 4: apply for other jurisdictions. And so is this way to
[1:54:14] Speaker 4: be as opposed to them trying to go to each
[1:54:17] Speaker 4: one of these places if they're in if they're janitoral services,
[1:54:21] Speaker 4: So if they're in some of the field and they
[1:54:24] Speaker 4: type it in, then what is it? Then pull up
[1:54:27] Speaker 4: all the contracts in that particular area.
[1:54:30] Speaker 31: So right now we're solely Houston. We want to make
[1:54:33] Speaker 31: sure we take care of Houston first because that's where
[1:54:35] Speaker 31: we're at here in the streets, we're on the ground,
[1:54:38] Speaker 31: so we know what's going on here, and then as
[1:54:41] Speaker 31: we grow, we're going to.
[1:54:42] Speaker 6: Move on to other states.
[1:54:43] Speaker 4: So when you say it's here, is it?
[1:54:45] Speaker 7: So?
[1:54:45] Speaker 4: Is it here? Is it city school district and county?
[1:54:49] Speaker 4: Grand State?
[1:54:50] Speaker 17: Yeah, so right now we have federal city school districts,
[1:54:54] Speaker 17: Tech DOT, the jail system, actually all the university. So
[1:54:59] Speaker 17: even let's say you want it to ben something on
[1:55:01] Speaker 17: A and M, you can do that all of those
[1:55:04] Speaker 17: sources throughout Texas. It is coming into for as far
[1:55:08] Speaker 17: as universities, and so we really are. We're starting in Houston.
[1:55:12] Speaker 17: Our next city we want to go to is Dallas
[1:55:15] Speaker 17: and eventually go to every metropolitan area in Texas before
[1:55:19] Speaker 17: we continue to go on nationally.
[1:55:21] Speaker 4: So did y'all have They'll also talk to business owners
[1:55:25] Speaker 4: and they share the issues that they've had in trying
[1:55:30] Speaker 4: to trying to navigate because it is not an easy process.
[1:55:35] Speaker 31: That's what we've been doing for the past year. And
[1:55:38] Speaker 31: we've heard the small businesses and they have a lot
[1:55:41] Speaker 31: to say. With the over thirty sources they have to
[1:55:45] Speaker 31: pull these contracts from and sprout and just have so
[1:55:49] Speaker 31: many team members try to find these opportunities. It's hard,
[1:55:54] Speaker 31: especially when you're just trying to work and make money.
[1:55:57] Speaker 31: So we've spoken to all of them and we hear
[1:56:00] Speaker 31: they're saying, and that's why we built firstins.
[1:56:02] Speaker 4: All right?
[1:56:03] Speaker 10: So now is it?
[1:56:04] Speaker 4: Is it a free apps and a cost per month
[1:56:07] Speaker 4: per year? How does that work for businesses? Now?
[1:56:10] Speaker 17: We do have a free starter profile and that will
[1:56:13] Speaker 17: give you, like all of the federals, that will.
[1:56:15] Speaker 6: Give you fifty federal opportunities.
[1:56:17] Speaker 4: To day and then we have for ninety nine.
[1:56:20] Speaker 17: Dollars a month, we have our facing plans, and then
[1:56:23] Speaker 17: for Toney nine, we have our profilan, which is the
[1:56:26] Speaker 17: one we really suggest business is looking.
[1:56:28] Speaker 4: To grow to do that.
[1:56:30] Speaker 6: On there, you'll get fifteen proposal.
[1:56:32] Speaker 17: Generators a month, So not only are we giving you
[1:56:35] Speaker 17: the resources to find it, we're also giving you the
[1:56:38] Speaker 17: resources to generate the proposal because that takes a lot
[1:56:40] Speaker 17: of time and have resources. And we're really excited about
[1:56:44] Speaker 17: that because usually small businesses are putting out maybe ten
[1:56:48] Speaker 17: bits a year, which is not a lot. But with this,
[1:56:51] Speaker 17: if you're getting sixteen a month, imagine how much you
[1:56:53] Speaker 17: can do.
[1:56:55] Speaker 4: Last question, does you does your app also assist with
[1:57:00] Speaker 4: minority certification because that's also an arduous process for a
[1:57:04] Speaker 4: lot of minority owned businesses. Even though I hate the
[1:57:06] Speaker 4: I hate it, Like I've had people hit me up
[1:57:09] Speaker 4: they're like, wekay, y'all a minority about I'm like, Yo,
[1:57:11] Speaker 4: I'm black, I said, I don't eve concern about what
[1:57:13] Speaker 4: the hell I am. Yes, I understand that.
[1:57:16] Speaker 17: What we do, so we do have a certification tracker,
[1:57:19] Speaker 17: so all your certifications will let you know when it's due, if.
[1:57:22] Speaker 6: It's up for aspiring, and things like that.
[1:57:25] Speaker 31: So we also on our platform suggest what you should
[1:57:28] Speaker 31: have after pulling your data from your capability statement, your
[1:57:34] Speaker 31: website will go ahead and look and see what you
[1:57:37] Speaker 31: should be having as a certification if you don't already
[1:57:39] Speaker 31: have it.
[1:57:40] Speaker 4: So that's where we're at right now with the site.
[1:57:42] Speaker 4: All right, So folks want to access it, where do
[1:57:44] Speaker 4: they go first?
[1:57:45] Speaker 7: Bigpro dot com.
[1:57:47] Speaker 4: So it's right, that's web based. Where you have an app,
[1:57:51] Speaker 4: it's web based, Okay, all right, we appreciate it. All right,
[1:57:56] Speaker 4: thanks a bunch, folks, and go to a break. I'll
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[1:59:47] Speaker 4: All right, folks, welcome back. So my next guest she's
[1:59:51] Speaker 4: actually been on our show before, Sakara Ross. She owns
[1:59:54] Speaker 4: a construction company here, Eddie Houston and so glad to
[1:59:56] Speaker 4: see you here. Uh and so one thing. I'm just
[1:59:59] Speaker 4: talking to this suits who was starting first bid. A
[2:00:03] Speaker 4: lot of people really really don't get how arduous the
[2:00:08] Speaker 4: bidding process is and trying to figure it out. If
[2:00:10] Speaker 4: you have a construction company, uh you started with your dad,
[2:00:14] Speaker 4: just explain to people how it ain't the easiest thing
[2:00:17] Speaker 4: in the world when you're trying to when you're a
[2:00:20] Speaker 4: small business and you're trying to be on city and
[2:00:23] Speaker 4: county and university and all these contracts out of here.
[2:00:27] Speaker 17: So yeah, you're you're absolutely right. It's not an easy task.
[2:00:32] Speaker 13: And for me when I started out, a lot of
[2:00:34] Speaker 13: my contracts were coming from like relationships that.
[2:00:37] Speaker 6: I had built, and so I got a little spoiled
[2:00:40] Speaker 6: that I.
[2:00:40] Speaker 4: Wasn't having to go through the actual deal. Are you
[2:00:43] Speaker 4: were getting the hook up?
[2:00:44] Speaker 6: However, I would even call it the hook.
[2:00:47] Speaker 13: Right, But just folks, you done and I did some
[2:00:50] Speaker 13: amazing work and I take pride in my work, and
[2:00:52] Speaker 13: so that's how it works. You know, You've got a
[2:00:54] Speaker 13: lot of contractors out here, and it's a tough game,
[2:00:57] Speaker 13: and everybody doesn't they don't operate with integrity, and you
[2:01:01] Speaker 13: have to take into consideration just getting projects done on time,
[2:01:04] Speaker 13: and it's a lot that goes into and so when
[2:01:06] Speaker 13: a client finds someone who does a great job and
[2:01:09] Speaker 13: takes pride in the work, they knew they're going to
[2:01:11] Speaker 13: come back. And so it just happened that, you know,
[2:01:14] Speaker 13: I was able to get referred and consistently.
[2:01:16] Speaker 6: Got referred to it.
[2:01:17] Speaker 13: But the tables turned, they do turn, and sometimes it's
[2:01:21] Speaker 13: being an entrepreneur, you hit a downspot.
[2:01:23] Speaker 4: Yeah, but also when you want to build capacity, I
[2:01:25] Speaker 4: mean you want to be able to build and grow.
[2:01:27] Speaker 6: Absolutely.
[2:01:27] Speaker 13: So then I did things slowed up eventually and I
[2:01:30] Speaker 13: had to jump out there and really start that bidding process.
[2:01:32] Speaker 13: And I think I try to not look at myself
[2:01:34] Speaker 13: so much as a small business anymore because sometimes if
[2:01:38] Speaker 13: you think that way, you.
[2:01:39] Speaker 7: Operate that way.
[2:01:40] Speaker 4: Well, w I understand the fellow designation was a small business.
[2:01:43] Speaker 4: It's four hundred and ninety nine employees or less wells,
[2:01:48] Speaker 4: so you don't have to you don't have to knocket again.
[2:01:51] Speaker 4: That's that's literally how they classify a small business. Yeah,
[2:01:54] Speaker 4: but I understand speaking to.
[2:01:57] Speaker 6: The bidding process because it can be so intimidate.
[2:01:59] Speaker 13: Yeah, And you know, general contract is you have you
[2:02:03] Speaker 13: have bonding that you have to consider, and it's like, well,
[2:02:05] Speaker 13: what's your bonding capacity, And a lot of companies are.
[2:02:07] Speaker 4: Like, well, you can't get bonded where you have bonding capacity.
[2:02:10] Speaker 4: One of the other things that jumps out that is real,
[2:02:13] Speaker 4: uh is also the fact that when you're dealing with
[2:02:16] Speaker 4: governmental entities you have to float your business.
[2:02:19] Speaker 15: Uh uh.
[2:02:20] Speaker 4: Many a lot of them are playing paying net one
[2:02:24] Speaker 4: eighty and so you're talking about you're going to carry
[2:02:27] Speaker 4: your business for half a year before you get paid
[2:02:30] Speaker 4: and that and that's always another issue, which is why
[2:02:34] Speaker 4: you know, one of things that Manor Jackson did in Atlanta.
[2:02:36] Speaker 4: What he did was he said to banks, if you're
[2:02:39] Speaker 4: we're going to put our money into these banks, and
[2:02:41] Speaker 4: what you need to be doing is providing lines of
[2:02:43] Speaker 4: credit to these folks who you know, who get city contracts.
[2:02:46] Speaker 13: Absolutely, I've been doing a lot of work recently. I
[2:02:49] Speaker 13: don't know if you've seen doing a lot of work.
[2:02:51] Speaker 4: With pre v A and M and so now going
[2:02:54] Speaker 4: follow you on Instagram, I've been seeing your work.
[2:02:57] Speaker 13: And I chuckled today because I've tried to get lines
[2:03:00] Speaker 13: of credits with Chase, which I've had since imes started my.
[2:03:04] Speaker 6: Business, and they're not really that is right. Construction is
[2:03:07] Speaker 6: high risk, and I said interested.
[2:03:08] Speaker 13: But as the last six months, my business is doing better,
[2:03:11] Speaker 13: and every time I go, I can, do you have.
[2:03:13] Speaker 6: A personal baker? Every time I'm making a posit, they
[2:03:16] Speaker 6: approached me and because I know it's still a process.
[2:03:20] Speaker 13: Reason it's funny because yeah, I got their attention and
[2:03:24] Speaker 13: they're like, oh, okay.
[2:03:25] Speaker 6: Well let's figure this thing out.
[2:03:27] Speaker 4: Well. The reason the reason I'm laughing. I remember when
[2:03:32] Speaker 4: I wanted a business credit card through Chase and I
[2:03:40] Speaker 4: had about a quarter million dollars in the bank and
[2:03:44] Speaker 4: we got denied and I went, oh, okay, took all
[2:03:50] Speaker 4: my money personal and business, moved it out of Chase,
[2:03:56] Speaker 4: and I was like, that's how y'all want to road.
[2:03:58] Speaker 4: That's not a problem because my whole deal is people
[2:04:01] Speaker 4: have to understand when you're in business, a banking relationship
[2:04:05] Speaker 4: is critically important. And many black banks found it out
[2:04:08] Speaker 4: during COVID. So what happened during COVID was they had
[2:04:12] Speaker 4: they had personal accounts or business accounts they did, they
[2:04:17] Speaker 4: didn't have a banking relationship. So when it came to
[2:04:19] Speaker 4: the time to apply for PPP loans, they were like, Okay,
[2:04:24] Speaker 4: we'll get to y'all when we get to y'all, and
[2:04:25] Speaker 4: that was a problem there.
[2:04:27] Speaker 6: It's absolutely about relationships. And I went through a program
[2:04:31] Speaker 6: here in Houston, and after.
[2:04:32] Speaker 13: I went through that program, I decided I was going
[2:04:35] Speaker 13: to start making more relationships with smaller bates, but building
[2:04:38] Speaker 13: those relationships with someone there so that when the time comes,
[2:04:42] Speaker 13: it's an easier transition than go into a chase or.
[2:04:45] Speaker 6: Making from America.
[2:04:46] Speaker 4: Absolutely, it was Karen, good to see you and I'm
[2:04:49] Speaker 4: glad to hear that business. And Donal Welcess. We had
[2:04:52] Speaker 4: you on what two three years ago, and I want.
[2:04:54] Speaker 6: To thank you and your network, all of your viewers.
[2:04:57] Speaker 6: I received some.
[2:05:01] Speaker 13: From being on your show. A lot of people reached
[2:05:03] Speaker 13: out to me, and I appreciate your support.
[2:05:04] Speaker 4: Actually cool sounds good?
[2:05:06] Speaker 25: A right?
[2:05:06] Speaker 4: I appreciate it, folks. That is it brush? Actually not?
[2:05:10] Speaker 4: Is it for us? I checked talked to the Attorney
[2:05:14] Speaker 4: General of Virginia, Jake Jones. We were in Richmond, Virginia
[2:05:18] Speaker 4: for the Common with Kayla uh and we talked about
[2:05:20] Speaker 4: how how he's helping lead to fight against Donald Trump.
[2:05:24] Speaker 4: Here's our conversation join us right now. Is the Attorney
[2:05:28] Speaker 4: General of Virginia, Jay Jones, How you.
[2:05:31] Speaker 9: Doing I'm well, how are you sarting?
[2:05:33] Speaker 2: All?
[2:05:33] Speaker 4: Good?
[2:05:33] Speaker 9: Good, good to be back, absolutely back to Virginia. I
[2:05:36] Speaker 9: appreciate it, greaking flyer.
[2:05:38] Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I got a few miles on the airlines.
[2:05:41] Speaker 9: I got a to Virginia because you've been here for
[2:05:43] Speaker 9: us a whole bunch of we're well.
[2:05:45] Speaker 4: Well, I actually live in Leesburg, so I'm still resis
[2:05:49] Speaker 4: of vote in Texas.
[2:05:50] Speaker 9: Okay, that's why I thought you were here.
[2:05:51] Speaker 4: I'm still resist the vote there as my homestead.
[2:05:54] Speaker 9: I live here, So but yeah, I got matter fake.
[2:05:57] Speaker 4: If I had to add up, I think I got
[2:05:59] Speaker 4: through eye er point one million miles on three airlines,
[2:06:03] Speaker 4: So I got a few.
[2:06:04] Speaker 9: I gotta start flying with you. I got it a few.
[2:06:06] Speaker 9: I got it a few.
[2:06:08] Speaker 4: It's been what six months since you being ag.
[2:06:12] Speaker 9: Just about how's it gone so far?
[2:06:14] Speaker 25: You know what, we hit the ground running, first black
[2:06:16] Speaker 25: attorney general in the four hundred and seven year history
[2:06:18] Speaker 25: of Virginia, and we've been delivering on the promises that
[2:06:21] Speaker 25: we made to folks during the campaign. Last year, we
[2:06:23] Speaker 25: sued Donald Trump over fifty times to protect against federal overreach.
[2:06:27] Speaker 25: We've kept our community safe, and we're attacking this cost crisis.
[2:06:30] Speaker 25: People myself included, are struggling because this administration refuses to
[2:06:35] Speaker 25: do something to get it under control, and instead they're
[2:06:37] Speaker 25: trying to levy terrorists that are illegal, that are driving
[2:06:40] Speaker 25: costs up, and we're fighting back on that. And you know,
[2:06:42] Speaker 25: I think the people of Virginia are very pleased to
[2:06:44] Speaker 25: have democratic leadership at the top because we're delivering. We've
[2:06:47] Speaker 25: got a budget that's coming that's gonna work for every
[2:06:49] Speaker 25: single Virginian and we're really really proud of the work
[2:06:52] Speaker 25: that we've done. And we got those folks out of
[2:06:53] Speaker 25: office who were really just doing everything that Donald Trump
[2:06:56] Speaker 25: is trying to tell them to do. No more.
[2:06:57] Speaker 9: We respond to the people.
[2:06:59] Speaker 4: And now you had a back when it came to
[2:07:01] Speaker 4: the redistricting the election. What's the path forward.
[2:07:05] Speaker 25: We're gonna have a really successful year in twenty twenty
[2:07:07] Speaker 25: six in Virginia and across this country. We have talented
[2:07:10] Speaker 25: candidates and people are fed up. I get to move
[2:07:12] Speaker 25: around this Commonwealth. It's one of the great benefits of
[2:07:15] Speaker 25: my job. And from corner to corner, it doesn't matter
[2:07:18] Speaker 25: if it's a blue part of the state or red
[2:07:20] Speaker 25: part of state. People want relief, they want help, and
[2:07:22] Speaker 25: they want candidates who are going to speak to the
[2:07:24] Speaker 25: challenges they're facing. And right now the Democrats are doing that.
[2:07:27] Speaker 25: Republicans are too scared, they're too afraid of Donald Trump
[2:07:30] Speaker 25: to do anything beyond what he says, and that's going
[2:07:32] Speaker 25: to be to their electoral detriment. We're gonna win seats
[2:07:34] Speaker 25: in Virginia, We're gonna win seats across the country, and
[2:07:37] Speaker 25: the Keim Jefferies is going to be the next Speaker
[2:07:38] Speaker 25: of the House of Representatives in January twenty twenty seven.
[2:07:42] Speaker 4: One of the things that I keep saying is, so
[2:07:44] Speaker 4: what happens is when you look at these national shows,
[2:07:47] Speaker 4: when you look at the networks and they're sitting on oh,
[2:07:50] Speaker 4: Democrats upolling at twenty eight percent. What I keep telling
[2:07:54] Speaker 4: people is that's what people are saying in terms of
[2:07:57] Speaker 4: their perception of Washington, DC. Yet when then you go
[2:08:01] Speaker 4: to various states, when you see wins in this state,
[2:08:04] Speaker 4: when you see wins winning mayoral seats in Florida they
[2:08:07] Speaker 4: had nine had in thirty forty years winning special elections.
[2:08:11] Speaker 4: I keep saying, November is going to be about outside
[2:08:15] Speaker 4: of the state races.
[2:08:17] Speaker 9: It's not a presidential year.
[2:08:18] Speaker 4: Congressional seats are local elections, State rep, state Senate, local elections,
[2:08:24] Speaker 4: And so I said, folks, people are thinking differently, and
[2:08:28] Speaker 4: those candidates are going to be running candidate and district
[2:08:32] Speaker 4: specific messages and not solely what's coming out of Washington, DC.
[2:08:36] Speaker 25: Well, a good candidate listens to the people that they're
[2:08:39] Speaker 25: trying to get votes from. And if you are listening,
[2:08:41] Speaker 25: and it doesn't matter if you're in Virginia, you're in Texas,
[2:08:43] Speaker 25: you're in Florida, you're in North Carolina. People are hurting
[2:08:46] Speaker 25: right now. They are struggling because of the policies that
[2:08:49] Speaker 25: the Trump administration continues to push. And the folks in
[2:08:51] Speaker 25: Congress who have ours next to their names are rubber
[2:08:53] Speaker 25: stamps for that. You see Republican incumbents who are running
[2:08:56] Speaker 25: away or trying to run away from the President, to
[2:08:59] Speaker 25: their detriment because then he turns on them too. And
[2:09:02] Speaker 25: when you have a candidate who's going to be responsive,
[2:09:04] Speaker 25: who's going to listen, that resonates with folks. And right
[2:09:07] Speaker 25: now everybody is getting crushed. Right I have two little boys.
[2:09:10] Speaker 25: My older son just turned four, my younger son will
[2:09:12] Speaker 25: be two next month. Our grocery bill is off the charts.
[2:09:15] Speaker 25: You compare it to what it was a year ago,
[2:09:17] Speaker 25: what it was two years ago, it is absolutely off
[2:09:19] Speaker 25: the charts.
[2:09:19] Speaker 5: And I know that.
[2:09:20] Speaker 9: No, I'm not alone. There are millions of people like
[2:09:22] Speaker 9: me just across the coup.
[2:09:23] Speaker 4: I thought it was going to be the golden economy.
[2:09:25] Speaker 9: Hey, the proof is in the pudding.
[2:09:27] Speaker 25: If you look at your bills, people have to make
[2:09:29] Speaker 25: an awful choice between putting food on the table and
[2:09:31] Speaker 25: paying rent, paying their light bill and paying their car insurance.
[2:09:34] Speaker 25: That's not where we should be, but that's what the
[2:09:36] Speaker 25: Trump economy has done. And in Virginia we have been
[2:09:39] Speaker 25: fighting against that. The electoral results will demonstrate that we've
[2:09:42] Speaker 25: had some success there, and now once we're governing, we
[2:09:44] Speaker 25: deliver because Democrats are the party of results. We're the
[2:09:47] Speaker 25: party of solutions, and in Trump's economy, they don't have
[2:09:50] Speaker 25: a solution except to go down with the ship.
[2:09:53] Speaker 4: One of the things that I spoke earlier today to
[2:09:56] Speaker 4: group a pastors and I say to them at town hall.
[2:10:01] Speaker 4: It was in triangle of Virginia.
[2:10:03] Speaker 9: Where my in laws live.
[2:10:04] Speaker 4: Okay, it was a zion, yeah, And what I said
[2:10:09] Speaker 4: to them is we need to understand that this administration
[2:10:15] Speaker 4: in DC and on the state level, is there's an
[2:10:19] Speaker 4: absolute in today's Republican Party and anti black agenda. And
[2:10:24] Speaker 4: there's no other place than what we're seeing from in
[2:10:27] Speaker 4: the area of civil rights and law. They want to
[2:10:31] Speaker 4: destroy that civil rights infrastructure, and you've got an extreme
[2:10:36] Speaker 4: court that's standing with them. And I really need, as
[2:10:40] Speaker 4: somebody who's Attorney general, explain to people why this is
[2:10:44] Speaker 4: so huge when they have this extreme court making these
[2:10:49] Speaker 4: decisions that could very well lock these rulings in place
[2:10:54] Speaker 4: for thirty forty fifty one hundred years.
[2:10:57] Speaker 25: Well, you know, when I think about it, the work
[2:10:59] Speaker 25: that we done since January. We've sued the president a lot,
[2:11:02] Speaker 25: but we've had victories myself and our Democratic coalition. We've
[2:11:05] Speaker 25: beaten the President on several occasions, in particular when it
[2:11:08] Speaker 25: comes to tariffs. And so I know that this is
[2:11:10] Speaker 25: a moment when people feel dejected, they feel disheartened, they
[2:11:13] Speaker 25: feel broken down. And I would just say, look to
[2:11:15] Speaker 25: the black community right think about where we've come from.
[2:11:18] Speaker 25: We had our ancestors brave the Middle, Passage, slavery, Jim Crow,
[2:11:23] Speaker 25: Black code, segregation, and they never gave up and they
[2:11:27] Speaker 25: never lost sight of that ultimate goal, which was full
[2:11:30] Speaker 25: equality and power. And we've gotten there, and it feels
[2:11:33] Speaker 25: like your role in the rock up a hill and
[2:11:34] Speaker 25: it calls back down on you. But where we are
[2:11:36] Speaker 25: now is light years ahead of where we were, and
[2:11:38] Speaker 25: it's on us right at this moment to step up
[2:11:40] Speaker 25: and fight back. And that's why I think the courts
[2:11:42] Speaker 25: are such a powerful mechanism to do that. We're going
[2:11:45] Speaker 25: to have more black people elected to office at every
[2:11:47] Speaker 25: level come you know, November, which I think is powerful.
[2:11:51] Speaker 25: You think about the Black Caucus here in Virginia in
[2:11:53] Speaker 25: the legislature, thirty six members, the first black Attorney General,
[2:11:56] Speaker 25: you know, the leadership in the General Assembly are black people.
[2:12:00] Speaker 25: Virginia sets the model for how things should be and
[2:12:02] Speaker 25: where we can go. And so in my office, we
[2:12:04] Speaker 25: have fully staffed up our Office of Civil Rights so
[2:12:06] Speaker 25: that we can protect people here in Virginia. When the
[2:12:08] Speaker 25: federal government doesn't want to do their job, I will
[2:12:11] Speaker 25: happily step in and protect my citizens. And people across
[2:12:13] Speaker 25: the country are looking to their attorneys general to lead
[2:12:16] Speaker 25: in that same way. And I can say that the
[2:12:17] Speaker 25: Democrats have delivered on that too.
[2:12:19] Speaker 4: Well. That's one of different reasons why I've explained to
[2:12:21] Speaker 4: a lot of people why we cannot ignore these statewide
[2:12:24] Speaker 4: races in down ballot because you might have this chaotic,
[2:12:29] Speaker 4: insane federal Department of Justice. But when you have frank
[2:12:35] Speaker 4: frankly black Democrats who are attorney who's attorneys general? Not
[2:12:41] Speaker 4: all of a sudden that changes the game. And so
[2:12:44] Speaker 4: just like people didn't understand the power of a secretary
[2:12:48] Speaker 4: of State until Bush v. Gore in two thousand, folks
[2:12:52] Speaker 4: are like, oh, a secretary of state, I don't know
[2:12:54] Speaker 4: what they do. They're a secretary, they.
[2:12:56] Speaker 9: Learn and Bush v.
[2:12:57] Speaker 4: Gore, Why who's the secretary of state?
[2:12:59] Speaker 25: Matt These statewide races are really important. And it could
[2:13:02] Speaker 25: be a secretary of state. It could be attorney general.
[2:13:05] Speaker 25: It can be your treasurer, it can be your chief
[2:13:06] Speaker 25: find it, whatever you call these offices, everything has a
[2:13:10] Speaker 25: role and a purpose to play.
[2:13:12] Speaker 9: In the era of.
[2:13:12] Speaker 25: Donald Trump, when they are taking, you know, massive steps
[2:13:16] Speaker 25: to expand their power through the presidency, and we have
[2:13:20] Speaker 25: to fight back right now. It's on states to step
[2:13:22] Speaker 25: up and to fight and protect and defend. And we're
[2:13:24] Speaker 25: doing that. And that's why I'm so optimistic about our
[2:13:27] Speaker 25: ability to take back seats in Congress so that we
[2:13:30] Speaker 25: can have the other branch be a check on the president.
[2:13:32] Speaker 25: Because right now, attorneys General, we have been the ones
[2:13:34] Speaker 25: holding the line to keep democracy from breaking.
[2:13:37] Speaker 9: Right, we are in a very deep bend.
[2:13:38] Speaker 25: The founders designed the system to ebb and flow and
[2:13:41] Speaker 25: to withstand, but we've never been closer to the brink.
[2:13:44] Speaker 9: And it's attorney's general who have done that job.
[2:13:45] Speaker 25: And I'm proud to stay with my other twenty three
[2:13:47] Speaker 25: Democratic colleagues to do that.
[2:13:49] Speaker 9: And we need to get Congress back so we can
[2:13:50] Speaker 9: get some help.
[2:13:51] Speaker 4: All right, then turn General J. Jones. I appreciate it.
[2:13:53] Speaker 9: Thank you very much, sir, thank you always great.
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