# Trump Economy Slows. Black Men Face Wealth & Job Gaps. Nolan Wells 911 Audio Raises Questions.

An episode of [#RolandMartinUnfiltered](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1434424449), 31 Jul 2026, 2 h 43 min.

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7.30.2026 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Trump Economy Slows. Black Men Face Wealth & Job Gaps. Nolan Wells 911 Audio Raises Questions. New federal data show the U.S. economy slowed sharply in the second quarter of 2026, falling well below expectations and undercutting the Trump administration’s economic promises. Michigan voters head to the polls Tuesday in a closely watched Democratic U.S. Senate primary. Roland speaks with Dr. Abdul El-Sayed about his campaign and why he believes he should represent Michigan in Washington. A new report from Virginia State University details the persistent economic disparities facing Black men and boys in education, employment and household wealth. Dr. Wes Bellamy joins us to break down the findings. And new audio from the emergency call made by Nolan Wells’ friends is raising more questions about what happened before the 18-year-old disappeared and died. Civil rights attorney Ben Crump and Nolan’s parents provide the latest on the investigation. Black Star Network Partner: Chapter Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options. ____ Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: In in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in in.
[0:46] Speaker 2: In Folks.
[1:31] Speaker 3: Folks are that Thursday, July third, the twenty twenty six
[1:34] Speaker 3: coming up and rolling, unfiltered streaming live on the Blackstar Network.
[1:37] Speaker 3: This was supposed to be an amazing economy, the Golden
[1:41] Speaker 3: Age flourishing. Well, guess what the GDP numbers are in
[1:45] Speaker 3: and they suck Economists. Morgan Harper will be joining us
[1:50] Speaker 3: in Wisconsin.
[1:51] Speaker 4: Shocking developments.
[1:52] Speaker 3: Mandela Barns and former lieutenant governor is ending his campaign.
[1:57] Speaker 3: What in the hell is happening in wiscons New data
[2:02] Speaker 3: shows the black voters across the South are pissed off
[2:05] Speaker 3: and are turning out in huge numbers.
[2:07] Speaker 4: Will tell you why.
[2:09] Speaker 3: On Tuesday, Michigan voters a head to the polls for
[2:11] Speaker 3: their primary elections. I talked with doctor Abdul Lsaid, who
[2:15] Speaker 3: wants to be the US Senate choice from Michigan. You
[2:19] Speaker 3: don't want to miss this conversation. Bus of new report
[2:21] Speaker 3: confirms that black men and boys face persistent economic disparities
[2:25] Speaker 3: and education and foreman and a household wealth. Doctor west
[2:29] Speaker 3: Bellamy will be joining us. Plus, we've got the latest
[2:31] Speaker 3: updates of the Nola Wells case where audio a nine
[2:33] Speaker 3: one one call is leading to even more questions about
[2:37] Speaker 3: what happened to the black eighteen year old Mississippi team.
[2:41] Speaker 3: And in Texas, the family of an unarmed black team
[2:44] Speaker 3: killed by police are not buying the claim that there
[2:47] Speaker 3: are seventeen year old committed suicide by cop.
[2:51] Speaker 4: Will show you the body cam.
[2:52] Speaker 3: Bill, folks, it's time to bring the fon U Bilcher
[2:55] Speaker 3: on the Black stud Network.
[2:56] Speaker 4: Let's go.
[3:00] Speaker 5: Whatever the best. He's do it, whatever it is.
[3:03] Speaker 6: He's got the scot the fact, the fine and wait
[3:07] Speaker 6: to believes he's right on time, and it's rolling.
[3:10] Speaker 7: Best believe he's going putting.
[3:13] Speaker 6: It out from his Boston news to politics with entertainment.
[3:17] Speaker 5: Just bookcakes.
[3:18] Speaker 1: He's stolen.
[3:21] Speaker 5: Its go rowing up. It's rolling mote.
[3:27] Speaker 6: Yeah, rolling with Roldin.
[3:34] Speaker 1: He's bookcase press.
[3:36] Speaker 6: She's real the question, No, he's rolling, monteget.
[3:52] Speaker 8: Look for the second quarter of twenty twenty six to
[3:56] Speaker 8: be amazing as all this money comes back into the
[3:59] Speaker 8: economy from this big, beautiful bill which really takes care
[4:02] Speaker 8: of Americans. Finally the president has the power to take
[4:06] Speaker 8: care of Americans. Someone actually in the White House cares
[4:09] Speaker 8: about the real people.
[4:10] Speaker 7: Mister Secaily.
[4:13] Speaker 4: Five you're going to see fives.
[4:16] Speaker 8: In the greatest economy in the world, you're going to
[4:21] Speaker 8: see five, and people think you can't.
[4:25] Speaker 9: You can't.
[4:26] Speaker 10: Five percent GDP on a base this big is just
[4:29] Speaker 10: it's impress We have.
[4:29] Speaker 8: A thirty trillion dollars, so five percent is one point
[4:32] Speaker 8: five trillion in growth. And if we cut rates, you'll
[4:38] Speaker 8: see six. And people do not would never before Donald
[4:43] Speaker 8: Trump walked into that office, they would don't think that's possible.
[4:46] Speaker 10: And what six means, let's just put six in contact.
[4:49] Speaker 10: Six was China at its peak under central planning, with
[4:54] Speaker 10: a tight control on every aspect of its economy. That
[4:58] Speaker 10: was what the world new. Is what six look like
[5:01] Speaker 10: in the modern era. And now the alternative version of
[5:04] Speaker 10: six will be the president, you, the team in a
[5:07] Speaker 10: much more open way.
[5:09] Speaker 8: I'll before I said it could never happen.
[5:10] Speaker 2: I would be shocked.
[5:11] Speaker 10: I mean, that's an incredible way.
[5:12] Speaker 11: You're gonna put it this way.
[5:14] Speaker 8: You know, it wouldn't even be fun for you when
[5:16] Speaker 8: we see the five because they'll be so soon. They
[5:19] Speaker 8: could be this quarter as in the first quarter. So
[5:21] Speaker 8: then I'd say, we have to come back and see me.
[5:23] Speaker 8: We want to do five. But then you'll come back
[5:24] Speaker 8: in a couple of months and then you'd say, hour,
[5:26] Speaker 8: I just spoke to you for an hour. I don't
[5:27] Speaker 8: you know, I don't need to speak to you again.
[5:29] Speaker 8: But you're going to see fives like as in early
[5:32] Speaker 8: in twenty six.
[5:33] Speaker 2: That's incredible.
[5:34] Speaker 8: And then if they cut rates, and that's the thing,
[5:36] Speaker 8: I need a new fed chair.
[5:38] Speaker 4: Who cuts rates.
[5:40] Speaker 8: And if they cut rates, sixes, you'll see sixes.
[5:43] Speaker 4: And what you're going to see.
[5:44] Speaker 8: What that means is jobs are abundant. Good jobs are abundant.
[5:49] Speaker 8: High paying jobs are abundant. Construction jobs. You just get
[5:53] Speaker 8: paid more money to be who you are. You make
[5:57] Speaker 8: more money, and that is not inflame. That is called
[6:02] Speaker 8: six percent GDP growth.
[6:08] Speaker 3: Oh wow, that was Howard Lutnik, our Commerce secretary, predicting
[6:14] Speaker 3: this amazing, wonderful, just transformative economy. I was looking for
[6:20] Speaker 3: that meme. I couldn't find it. Remember the little kid
[6:22] Speaker 3: and it was in the back of the car. He goes, bullshit, that's.
[6:26] Speaker 4: What you just heard.
[6:28] Speaker 3: New federal data out shows that US economic growth has
[6:32] Speaker 3: slowed significantly in the second quarter of twenty twenty six,
[6:38] Speaker 3: amid a widening in the trade deficit and of course
[6:41] Speaker 3: the countries were with Iran. The GDP increased just one
[6:46] Speaker 3: point five percent last quarter, beneath the two point one
[6:50] Speaker 3: percent that was expected by economists, and again light years
[6:55] Speaker 3: away from that bullshit. Think I do ok at what
[7:00] Speaker 3: Trump's Remember this is what's called Secretary how Utnik said, Okay,
[7:04] Speaker 3: I'm gonna find for you and go play for you.
[7:05] Speaker 3: What Scott Thescent and treader secretary said, Okay.
[7:08] Speaker 4: Just more bs.
[7:11] Speaker 3: It's all they've actually done. It's all been a lie.
[7:14] Speaker 3: He lies, They lie. And the dumb American voters who
[7:19] Speaker 3: voted for this idiot, they failed for the okie dope
[7:23] Speaker 3: and we had a great economy that rebounded coming out
[7:25] Speaker 3: of COVID with Biden Harris, and this fool promise was
[7:29] Speaker 3: going to be grander, but it's not. Mid Terms are approaching,
[7:35] Speaker 3: Republicans are scrambling because they're getting.
[7:38] Speaker 4: Their butts kicked.
[7:40] Speaker 3: Then you have this idiot, the Secretary of Healthing Human Services,
[7:45] Speaker 3: Robert F.
[7:46] Speaker 4: Kennedy Jr. Amid complaints about.
[7:50] Speaker 3: Beef prices being too high, and he decides to go.
[7:56] Speaker 4: Beef while you were at about beef.
[8:02] Speaker 11: And this is true.
[8:04] Speaker 2: All over the country.
[8:05] Speaker 11: There's a lot of good food and grocery supers.
[8:08] Speaker 12: Because of the way most of the cheap cuts of meat
[8:11] Speaker 12: are very inexpensive.
[8:12] Speaker 5: If you buy a.
[8:13] Speaker 1: You know, a Twitter or.
[8:17] Speaker 12: It's gonna it is gonna take you back, you can
[8:20] Speaker 12: buy liver or the cheaper cuts the steak that are
[8:23] Speaker 12: very very affordable.
[8:29] Speaker 4: I'm I'm sorry.
[8:33] Speaker 3: Did mister worm in the brain actually say, well, you
[8:42] Speaker 3: don't have to worry about buying a Poorhouse steak, forget
[8:45] Speaker 3: ground beef. You can go buy some liver. Okay, my
[8:52] Speaker 3: mama likes liver. I can't stay in liver. The only
[8:58] Speaker 3: thing that I think I've insistently eating liver in is
[9:02] Speaker 3: when my daddy makes dirty rice. And hell, I think
[9:05] Speaker 3: he stopped even using liver in the dirty rice. So
[9:09] Speaker 3: if you actually think I'm gonna sit here and say, hmm,
[9:15] Speaker 3: let me get a New York Strip steak or Porterhouse
[9:18] Speaker 3: steak or some ground beef, and I'll go ahead and
[9:22] Speaker 3: try the liver.
[9:24] Speaker 4: You got your damn mind, and I guarantee you wrapping
[9:28] Speaker 4: up Kennedy Jr. Ain't eating liver.
[9:33] Speaker 3: Trump's new fed chair is admitting that Donald Trump's own stupendous, ignorant,
[9:42] Speaker 3: shameful ridiculous and clueless.
[9:45] Speaker 4: Warl Iron is actually making inflation worse.
[9:52] Speaker 13: How are you factoring the fact that a large portion
[9:54] Speaker 13: of the inflation overshoot is being caused by supply shocks,
[9:58] Speaker 13: As it's mentioned again in the statement, does that blunt
[10:01] Speaker 13: the effectiveness of rate hikes in review?
[10:05] Speaker 14: First, on the premise of your question, it was almost
[10:07] Speaker 14: as if you were listening to our discussion in the
[10:09] Speaker 14: last day and a half. A lot of our focus
[10:12] Speaker 14: was on trying to understand and identify underlying inflation dynamics
[10:18] Speaker 14: amid shocks.
[10:20] Speaker 5: We take these shocks seriously.
[10:22] Speaker 14: There have been a series of them that have been
[10:25] Speaker 14: hitting this economy. We're not looking through them and saying, oh,
[10:28] Speaker 14: they don't matter. What we're trying to understand is to
[10:31] Speaker 14: what extent are these shocks broadening in their effects, broadening
[10:36] Speaker 14: in their impact on prices that are quite.
[10:38] Speaker 5: Far removed from it.
[10:40] Speaker 14: Our goal is to have growth that is broadening and
[10:43] Speaker 14: inflation that is becoming more limited, more circumscribed. I'll be
[10:48] Speaker 14: the first to admit the shocks make this job and
[10:50] Speaker 14: this policy conjuncture a little tougher.
[10:56] Speaker 4: Wow joining us down.
[10:57] Speaker 3: Morgan Harper, Director of Policy and Advocacy, for I delivered
[11:00] Speaker 3: this project, Morgan, glad.
[11:02] Speaker 4: To have you here.
[11:03] Speaker 3: All they have been doing, Morgan is lying. They've just
[11:06] Speaker 3: been sitting here saying, let's just throw some shit on
[11:08] Speaker 3: the board, let's see if it sticks. That's all we
[11:10] Speaker 3: got going on here. And so their own nonsensical or
[11:14] Speaker 3: only ridiculous policies have been a strong economy. Trump's stupid tarffs. Okay,
[11:20] Speaker 3: this idiot, y'all find me to clip again. This we
[11:23] Speaker 3: play the other day. This idiot goes to Michigan and
[11:28] Speaker 3: it's standing there with the General Motors executive, the CEO
[11:32] Speaker 3: and her top leadership. Oh my god, my tariffs have
[11:36] Speaker 3: been amazing for General Motors. Oh except the three point
[11:39] Speaker 3: one billion dollars they've lost because of your tariffs.
[11:47] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[11:47] Speaker 7: I mean, it would be funny Roland if this wasn't
[11:50] Speaker 7: real life. And I think you're right. I mean, for
[11:53] Speaker 7: folks who were saying, and I spoke to some people
[11:56] Speaker 7: like this, Oh they've got a plan. There's going to
[11:58] Speaker 7: be a grand vision for how the rebuilding the economy.
[12:01] Speaker 7: Like you in that first clip you played, I mean
[12:02] Speaker 7: that guy you know that's asking the question he's talking
[12:04] Speaker 7: to you, is supposed to be one of these titans
[12:06] Speaker 7: of Silicon Valley startup expert, investment expert, all of this.
[12:10] Speaker 7: It's it's crazy the number of people who were duped
[12:14] Speaker 7: by this. But yeah, the numbers are telling a very
[12:17] Speaker 7: clear story that we are not seeing great growth, actually
[12:22] Speaker 7: slowing and a reduction or something coming in lower than
[12:25] Speaker 7: expectations in terms of GDP growth. And I just want
[12:28] Speaker 7: to take a second to make sure everybody understands what's
[12:30] Speaker 7: going into that GDP calculation is a combination of how
[12:34] Speaker 7: much worth spending, how much the government is spending, the
[12:38] Speaker 7: net exports, so how you know, what are we sending
[12:41] Speaker 7: off that we're building as a country versus what we
[12:43] Speaker 7: have to bring in from other places and investment. And
[12:47] Speaker 7: based on the numbers that we're seeing from this last quarter,
[12:50] Speaker 7: the main thing that's driving even this very low level
[12:55] Speaker 7: of growth relative especially to the expectations that they were
[12:58] Speaker 7: throwing out there are five to six percent. It does
[13:00] Speaker 7: seem like it's mostly consumer spending and business investment in AI.
[13:08] Speaker 7: So and part of what's bringing it down is that
[13:11] Speaker 7: for that AI investment, we have to import a lot
[13:14] Speaker 7: of materials like things like semiconductor chips to build you know,
[13:19] Speaker 7: all these things that are going into powering data centers
[13:21] Speaker 7: and all of this, and so it's not a good
[13:25] Speaker 7: state of affairs. And I would add another thing to
[13:27] Speaker 7: this in terms of, like, okay, so this is still
[13:29] Speaker 7: like a little bit of growth, but there's some risks
[13:32] Speaker 7: in those two areas that are driving the growth, which
[13:37] Speaker 7: is our spending and the business investment. And let's start
[13:40] Speaker 7: with the consumer part. I think we all know this.
[13:43] Speaker 7: I mean, just like you were saying with the beef prices,
[13:45] Speaker 7: prices are going up, So how much more can we
[13:49] Speaker 7: as consumers continue to prop up the economy based on
[13:53] Speaker 7: how much we're able to buy? And yeah, okay, you
[13:56] Speaker 7: know more you'll see in some of the analysis, like
[13:58] Speaker 7: labor market is okay, but we're not getting as much
[14:02] Speaker 7: for the wages that we're earning. Beef prices going up.
[14:06] Speaker 7: You know the other data that came out today and
[14:09] Speaker 7: showing just across the board, how prices are continuing to
[14:12] Speaker 7: go up for some of the core goods that we
[14:14] Speaker 7: have to buy and things that aren't even included in
[14:17] Speaker 7: that calculation, like gas is backup over four dollars a gallon,
[14:22] Speaker 7: and so you know that's a real risk if these
[14:25] Speaker 7: shocks continue, which they will, because if this is just
[14:27] Speaker 7: the nature of this administration is to inject shocks, not
[14:30] Speaker 7: try to manage them or reduce them or actually promote
[14:33] Speaker 7: growth with like another round of tariffs, then it's not
[14:36] Speaker 7: clear consumers are going to be able to keep up
[14:39] Speaker 7: vs GDP even at this minimal rate. The other thing
[14:41] Speaker 7: I would say about the business investment, and again this
[14:44] Speaker 7: is not business investment in real infrastructure spending building things.
[14:49] Speaker 7: It's a lot more the software AI data centers. It's
[14:54] Speaker 7: not clear that's going to continue. I mean, one, I
[14:56] Speaker 7: think there's some policy risks around that, just as the
[14:59] Speaker 7: mood is shifting the or sentiment and how policy makers
[15:01] Speaker 7: are responding to things like data centers. But then also,
[15:04] Speaker 7: and then you're starting to see this even from a
[15:06] Speaker 7: lot of Wall Street folks, just how much the economy
[15:08] Speaker 7: is weighted towards AI and how much of that investment's
[15:11] Speaker 7: going towards AI doesn't seem sustainable. People don't think that
[15:14] Speaker 7: it's actually going to prove to be a strong return
[15:16] Speaker 7: on that, and that might not keep up either. So
[15:19] Speaker 7: wherever you look at these numbers, I think there's a
[15:22] Speaker 7: you know, again, it's a very very modest rate of
[15:24] Speaker 7: growth as it's happening, nothing near like the expectations, and
[15:27] Speaker 7: even with that little bit of growth, some serious risk
[15:30] Speaker 7: that even that can continue.
[15:31] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[15:32] Speaker 3: I just sit here and laugh, and you're absolutely right.
[15:35] Speaker 3: All this AI spending reminds me of the Internet bubble
[15:41] Speaker 3: of one point zero, when it was just just dumb spending.
[15:44] Speaker 4: I mean, it was just utterly ridiculous.
[15:47] Speaker 3: And I really don't understand the billions upon billions if
[15:51] Speaker 3: they're building on data centers and you're like, okay, exactly
[15:56] Speaker 3: how you can make the money back because essentially all
[15:59] Speaker 3: their doing is buying from each other.
[16:02] Speaker 4: Okay.
[16:04] Speaker 3: I mean it's like literally open AI buy from the
[16:07] Speaker 3: video and the video buy. I mean it's just it's
[16:10] Speaker 3: just that's all that's going on here, and they claim,
[16:13] Speaker 3: oh no, this is wonderful. So yes, all these major
[16:17] Speaker 3: institutional investors are making a boatload of money, and I
[16:20] Speaker 3: think what's going to happen is they're going to dump
[16:22] Speaker 3: a lot of their money. And really, what's happening with
[16:25] Speaker 3: our economy is akin to any idiot who bought stock
[16:30] Speaker 3: in Donald Trump's technology company and have they failed.
[16:38] Speaker 7: Exactly exactly? Yeah, yeah, And I mean getting back to
[16:42] Speaker 7: the data center point. Not only is it creating this
[16:45] Speaker 7: risk in the market, but then that's also another driver
[16:48] Speaker 7: of our costs as consumers going up with utilities. You
[16:52] Speaker 7: know that there's these talks around and proposals are they'll
[16:55] Speaker 7: pay their fair share. Well, paying your fair share depends
[16:57] Speaker 7: on somebody that can tell the largest company in the
[17:00] Speaker 7: world what to do and that they have to listen.
[17:02] Speaker 7: And that has not proven to be the case in
[17:04] Speaker 7: interacting with these big tech firms and government policy makers.
[17:07] Speaker 7: So don't I wouldn't have a lot of comfort in
[17:09] Speaker 7: folks that saying, oh, we're cutting deals with them, they're
[17:11] Speaker 7: going to pay their fis shure that we won't be
[17:13] Speaker 7: the ones that again are carrying the bag and having
[17:16] Speaker 7: to cover the cost for these things. And so. And
[17:19] Speaker 7: there's just one more example I would give on the
[17:21] Speaker 7: beef prices in terms of like who's really running away here.
[17:24] Speaker 7: I mean, there was a case that was brought under
[17:27] Speaker 7: the Biden administration. You know, it's called Agristats to try
[17:30] Speaker 7: to take on some of the collusion and you know,
[17:33] Speaker 7: corruption that was happening in the meat industry driving up
[17:37] Speaker 7: costs for consumers. That case was settled by the Department
[17:40] Speaker 7: of Justice. Now, luckily, you know, we're seeing some states
[17:43] Speaker 7: that are taking in plaintiffs actually that are taking some
[17:45] Speaker 7: action there on their own. But yeah, this administration is
[17:48] Speaker 7: benefiting their friends. They're putting the costs on us regular people.
[17:52] Speaker 7: And the only hope we have is for some of
[17:53] Speaker 7: these state enforcers to stop it, like attorneys generals are doing.
[17:56] Speaker 7: But to your earlier point, Roland, you know, having some
[17:59] Speaker 7: shift in power or come next January and twenty twenty
[18:02] Speaker 7: seven is really essential to put a stop or to
[18:05] Speaker 7: begin to try to put a stop to some of this.
[18:07] Speaker 3: So folks, let me just give y'all some laughter, if
[18:13] Speaker 3: you will. He is the Treasure Secretary. In November twenty
[18:16] Speaker 3: twenty five one Fox News.
[18:20] Speaker 15: Go back to the non inflationary growth. But we are
[18:24] Speaker 15: working on this every day, and my prediction is the
[18:28] Speaker 15: first quarter, second quarter, what we're going to see is
[18:31] Speaker 15: we have brought the inflation down. It is curving down
[18:35] Speaker 15: and real income the other side of that equation is
[18:38] Speaker 15: real income growth, and we are going to see this
[18:41] Speaker 15: from all this investment.
[18:43] Speaker 16: Would a two thousand dollars tariff dividend check going to
[18:47] Speaker 16: people be inflationary?
[18:49] Speaker 15: Well, there are a lot of things that are going
[18:52] Speaker 15: to happen next year is one and that could be
[18:55] Speaker 15: one of them. And again, maybe we could be persuaded
[18:59] Speaker 15: Americans to save that because a couple of One of
[19:02] Speaker 15: the things that's going to happen next year is the
[19:06] Speaker 15: Trump accounts. Every child who was born from January first,
[19:10] Speaker 15: for the next three years is going to get a
[19:13] Speaker 15: government account that goes into the stock market. So every
[19:17] Speaker 15: American child born for the next three year, starting January first, is.
[19:21] Speaker 2: Going to have that.
[19:22] Speaker 15: They can take it out when they're eighteen. They're going
[19:24] Speaker 15: to learn the power of compounding. And there's going to
[19:29] Speaker 15: be a lot of financial literacy around that. And I
[19:32] Speaker 15: think the reason that we saw kind of the disastrous
[19:35] Speaker 15: election in New York is young people don't feel like
[19:37] Speaker 15: they have a stake in the economy, so we want
[19:39] Speaker 15: to give a mistake in the economy.
[19:41] Speaker 2: We know that the health.
[19:43] Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't recall that two thousand dollars ever
[19:47] Speaker 3: showing up in these so called Trump accounts was really
[19:51] Speaker 3: a massive tax rite off for Dale. By the way,
[19:55] Speaker 3: Donald Trump traded Dale stocks and bought a ton of
[19:58] Speaker 3: Dale stocks when he made the announcement. He made a
[20:01] Speaker 3: lot of money. Now that was November twenty twenty five.
[20:05] Speaker 3: If y'all really want to see sheer stupidity, here's Scott
[20:09] Speaker 3: Missant in April of twenty twenty six saying, no, no, no, no,
[20:14] Speaker 3: it's really not it's really not the economy and it's
[20:18] Speaker 3: really not what we're seeing in the poll league.
[20:19] Speaker 4: It's just really it's a feel thing.
[20:23] Speaker 9: Why aren't we seeing this sentiment?
[20:25] Speaker 7: Why are people feeling better?
[20:26] Speaker 15: Well, when I was in the investment business, they're consumer surveys,
[20:34] Speaker 15: but I used to look at what are the people
[20:36] Speaker 15: really doing. So at Treasury we have loads of CEOs
[20:40] Speaker 15: come through, whether they're in retail, credit card, the banks,
[20:43] Speaker 15: and the consumer. While they may be founding, grimm is
[20:50] Speaker 15: actually quite brilliant. So we are seeing spending has been
[20:54] Speaker 15: very solid across most categories. So they may not feel good,
[20:58] Speaker 15: but well, look in the hard a heart, stay feel good.
[21:01] Speaker 4: In the heart of hearts, Morgan, they feel good.
[21:06] Speaker 7: Well, there's one thing I trust Scott Beston to know.
[21:09] Speaker 7: It's what's happening in the heart of every American. So
[21:12] Speaker 7: that's a great relief. Yeah, we don't have to take
[21:15] Speaker 7: anybody or Scott Beston at his word. The polling shows
[21:18] Speaker 7: exactly where consumers are at. They're nervous, they're uncertain about
[21:22] Speaker 7: where the economy is going. They're worried about rising prices,
[21:25] Speaker 7: which the data is showing as a real concern. And
[21:28] Speaker 7: I want to come back to one thing he said,
[21:29] Speaker 7: who are they talking to. They're talking to CEOs. They
[21:32] Speaker 7: have a direct line on how they're doing, and I
[21:35] Speaker 7: bet they are doing pretty well. Because coming back to
[21:37] Speaker 7: that consumer spending, the data is also showing higher income
[21:40] Speaker 7: earners likely driving a lot of this spending. And so
[21:43] Speaker 7: I imagine he is getting good reports from CEOs of America,
[21:47] Speaker 7: but here we are the rest of us in reality.
[21:50] Speaker 7: And again, I mean, it's it's just wild. The other
[21:52] Speaker 7: thing I would say about this this data, because I'm sure,
[21:55] Speaker 7: you know, folks will see this in some of the coverage.
[21:57] Speaker 7: You know, there has there has been a bit of
[22:00] Speaker 7: a bump for some consumers because of tax refunds that came.
[22:02] Speaker 7: You know, this was one of the promises, the big
[22:04] Speaker 7: beautiful bill, tax refunds coming. And so okay, that's kind
[22:09] Speaker 7: of like a little bit of money one hit that
[22:11] Speaker 7: is one hundred percent not gonna last. We all know that.
[22:14] Speaker 7: And that's something that you know, is also likely to
[22:17] Speaker 7: be helping some higher income earners, and so yeah, this
[22:21] Speaker 7: isn't a real plan. The other thing I would say
[22:23] Speaker 7: is on the terraffs, because he was like, oh, yeah,
[22:25] Speaker 7: we might get some consumer dividends, you know, back from
[22:27] Speaker 7: the terraffs. Not only are consumers not seeing anything, they're
[22:31] Speaker 7: not even letting businesses in any sort of efficient way
[22:34] Speaker 7: get their money back on some of these tariffs that
[22:37] Speaker 7: have been found you know, to not have been done legally.
[22:40] Speaker 7: And so yeah, it's uh, it's a lot of risk
[22:44] Speaker 7: all around us. I know, we talk about this every
[22:47] Speaker 7: every month, rolling and regularly, and we're just continuing to
[22:50] Speaker 7: see the signs of it and a need for a different,
[22:53] Speaker 7: a different course.
[22:54] Speaker 4: Here, folks.
[22:56] Speaker 3: It's actually just utterly hilarious that lying about them.
[23:00] Speaker 4: You CEOs. They come talk to me and things are great.
[23:03] Speaker 3: I'll never forget when I was at CNN this is
[23:06] Speaker 3: probably this was it was two thousand and nine. We
[23:09] Speaker 3: were at the Upfronts and that was a panel and
[23:14] Speaker 3: David Gergan was on the panel. And late David Gergan,
[23:17] Speaker 3: you know, he advised for presidents, and you know, seeing
[23:20] Speaker 3: Inn treated him like he was a God, a little
[23:24] Speaker 3: g God, and it was like, oh, how dare you
[23:26] Speaker 3: ever disagree with David Gergan. I'm like, well, when his
[23:28] Speaker 3: ass is wrong, he's wrong. And I'll never forget sitting
[23:34] Speaker 3: there on the panel. And let me let me say
[23:38] Speaker 3: this again. This was all the upfronts and I think
[23:41] Speaker 3: it was two thousand and nine, so we had just
[23:44] Speaker 3: had the election. We were literally admirred in an economic calamity.
[23:47] Speaker 3: And I remember him saying, you know, I've you know,
[23:51] Speaker 3: I've talked to a lot of CEOs and things are
[23:55] Speaker 3: really going well in the country.
[23:56] Speaker 4: And I went, well, I've talked to.
[23:58] Speaker 3: A lot of CEOs of household and I can guarantee
[24:01] Speaker 3: you it's not. And I looked at me like I
[24:04] Speaker 3: was crazy. And that's really what you're dealing with here.
[24:08] Speaker 3: Scott Descent is worth millions of dollars lutnik, the same
[24:13] Speaker 3: way Trump's cabinet is the richest in history. These rich people,
[24:18] Speaker 3: all they do is spend their time with rich people.
[24:21] Speaker 4: They don't go out in the way.
[24:22] Speaker 3: You've never seen Scott Descent in a low income neighborhood
[24:27] Speaker 3: of black people, brown people, or even poor white people.
[24:30] Speaker 3: You haven't seen that. They don't do that. Lutnik is
[24:32] Speaker 3: not gonna do that. They're not spending any time there.
[24:36] Speaker 3: And so these people are sitting here and let me
[24:38] Speaker 3: just be clear, Morgan, they're raping and pillaging the country.
[24:42] Speaker 4: What they're doing is.
[24:43] Speaker 3: It's massive insider trading in this administration. They are making
[24:47] Speaker 3: all they're stealing from this economy. They are warning massive
[24:51] Speaker 3: billions of dollars in contracts to Jared Kushner, to the
[24:55] Speaker 3: Trump children and everyone else, and all of these we're
[24:58] Speaker 3: gonna talk about it next. All these mag of people.
[25:02] Speaker 3: They don't care. They don't care what these thugs do.
[25:06] Speaker 3: And I'm sitting here going they are playing y'all for fools.
[25:10] Speaker 3: And hopefully Morgan folk wake up and go to the
[25:14] Speaker 3: ballot box in November and penalize these thugs.
[25:20] Speaker 7: I hope so, Roland, because yeah, I mean, this is
[25:22] Speaker 7: one of the most corrupt administrations in history.
[25:25] Speaker 5: You are right.
[25:25] Speaker 7: I mean we can go through. There's been deal after
[25:28] Speaker 7: deal that it's paid a play. If you can get
[25:30] Speaker 7: in front of the White House or give some money
[25:32] Speaker 7: for the ballroom or the inauguration, then your deal gets through.
[25:37] Speaker 7: I mean, we could have a whole show about the
[25:39] Speaker 7: deals that have gone through and how they're benefiting very,
[25:41] Speaker 7: very rich people that are friends with the president. I
[25:44] Speaker 7: agree with you. I mean, this is the time to
[25:45] Speaker 7: kind of wake up. I'm glad you're going to be
[25:47] Speaker 7: talking to abdulah said, who's running in Michigan, and some
[25:51] Speaker 7: of the policies he's running on. I saw he was
[25:54] Speaker 7: in a video yesterday talking about some former Republican voters
[25:57] Speaker 7: who now are shifting his way. You know, I don't
[26:00] Speaker 7: think that should be the basis of our strategy, if
[26:02] Speaker 7: that's a different political conversation. But yeah, I mean it's
[26:06] Speaker 7: people are out here starving. I'm not exaggerated when I'm
[26:08] Speaker 7: saying that, and Scott dessen't. These guys do not care
[26:12] Speaker 7: one bit, and it's disgusting, and we just need to
[26:16] Speaker 7: make sure that people really understand, you know, the risks
[26:19] Speaker 7: and really the need to turn out and make sure
[26:22] Speaker 7: we can get rid of these guys.
[26:23] Speaker 4: I'm in a question in a non.
[26:24] Speaker 7: Partisan way since I'm an American economic liberties projects.
[26:28] Speaker 3: Right, So right, you speak nonpartisan, I speak black. All right,
[26:33] Speaker 3: let me go, let me go to my panel with
[26:35] Speaker 3: question of the comment joining us at the Greg Car Department
[26:38] Speaker 3: of AFRO America Studies of Howard University joining us from DC.
[26:40] Speaker 3: Rece Covert, host of the recent Covert Show, are joining
[26:43] Speaker 3: us from DC on Serious XM Radio after Avis Jones
[26:46] Speaker 3: do we were a host of the Fearless Politics podcast
[26:48] Speaker 3: Days should Harbor Maryland? But recee your question of comment first.
[26:54] Speaker 17: Yes, Margan, can you speak to kind of Kevin Warshing
[26:58] Speaker 17: his it's insistence on trying to avoid raising the interest rates,
[27:04] Speaker 17: but the markets are already reacting with higher yields. Can
[27:07] Speaker 17: you talk a little bit about that for people who
[27:08] Speaker 17: don't know the dots, how the dots connect in terms
[27:11] Speaker 17: of their interest rates, credit cards, mortgages, and card notes
[27:15] Speaker 17: and things of that nature if they're looking to get
[27:17] Speaker 17: some new debt.
[27:20] Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, thanks for the question. Going to see
[27:23] Speaker 7: you. You know, as the interest rates are going up, then
[27:25] Speaker 7: it isn't as if the feed is raising interest rates,
[27:28] Speaker 7: so then automatically all of our interest rates go up.
[27:31] Speaker 7: But there is a connection. The banks are monitoring what
[27:34] Speaker 7: the FED is doing and then deciding how they're going
[27:37] Speaker 7: to be able to set rates for some of the
[27:38] Speaker 7: consumer products that we all might be getting mortgage, car loan,
[27:42] Speaker 7: et cetera, and so you know, they're they're going to
[27:45] Speaker 7: do that when they feel like they need to kind
[27:47] Speaker 7: of slow things down a little bit. But given what
[27:50] Speaker 7: we saw in this data that was just announced, it
[27:52] Speaker 7: doesn't seem like the economy's off to the races by
[27:55] Speaker 7: any means. And so you know, we're kind of hearing
[27:57] Speaker 7: they're likely to sort of keep things where they're at
[28:00] Speaker 7: right now. But where they're at is pretty high. So
[28:02] Speaker 7: coming back to what I was talking about earlier, with
[28:05] Speaker 7: the type of business investment we're seeing for the average
[28:09] Speaker 7: business owner, I mean, these interest rates are quite high
[28:11] Speaker 7: to be able to borrow money get capital to build
[28:14] Speaker 7: your business. Who can still operate at very high interest rates, Well,
[28:17] Speaker 7: it's the companies that have the most access to capital
[28:19] Speaker 7: and resources, and so you know, if we don't see
[28:22] Speaker 7: those come down, then it's going to continue to depress
[28:24] Speaker 7: the type of business activity that are small businesses, a
[28:27] Speaker 7: lot of entrepreneurs that we might know that are based
[28:30] Speaker 7: in our communities would need to be able to build,
[28:33] Speaker 7: and instead going to continue to favor some of these
[28:36] Speaker 7: very very large corporations that are really as we were
[28:39] Speaker 7: talking about earlier, you know, shifting the economy's direction of
[28:41] Speaker 7: AI and introducing a lot of risk that will likely
[28:45] Speaker 7: end up impacting us as consumers as well, and more
[28:48] Speaker 7: so than it already has.
[28:49] Speaker 4: And nom, we're going to have to go this. Greg
[28:51] Speaker 4: Or Avis of a question for I do.
[28:54] Speaker 5: Have a super quick question.
[28:57] Speaker 18: At the very beginning of the show, Roland reference back
[29:00] Speaker 18: to Trump's reference to a golden age, and I consider
[29:04] Speaker 18: this particular age in terms of what he has bought
[29:06] Speaker 18: in through the big Robber Baron Bill, which is what.
[29:09] Speaker 5: I would call it is a new.
[29:10] Speaker 18: Gilded age with what we are seeing with regards to
[29:14] Speaker 18: all of the spoils that have been given to the
[29:16] Speaker 18: richest of society and the way that the rest of
[29:19] Speaker 18: us are being pilfered.
[29:21] Speaker 5: My big picture question for you is how long is
[29:23] Speaker 5: this sustainable?
[29:24] Speaker 18: But we see some a bit of a return in
[29:27] Speaker 18: history from the last time that this was done and
[29:31] Speaker 18: what actually happened as a result of that.
[29:35] Speaker 7: It's a great question. I wish I had infinite time
[29:37] Speaker 7: actually to answer. All these questions are really good, you know.
[29:40] Speaker 7: So I work at a place called American Economic Liberties Project.
[29:43] Speaker 7: We're focused on breaking up monopolies. A lot of the
[29:45] Speaker 7: policies we push for, like you know, to break up
[29:48] Speaker 7: monopolies are rooted, and actually we're based on laws that
[29:51] Speaker 7: were passed in the last Gilded Age about one hundred
[29:54] Speaker 7: years ago. So I think you're absolutely right. What we're
[29:56] Speaker 7: experiencing now very similar set of circumstances where we're seeing
[30:00] Speaker 7: as concentrated wealth that's being translated into concentrated concentrated wealth
[30:04] Speaker 7: in the economy translating into concentrated political power and corruption
[30:08] Speaker 7: of our government, and our government being captured by the
[30:11] Speaker 7: most economically powerful entities, both in the US and globally.
[30:16] Speaker 7: And you know, in what we saw then in reaction
[30:18] Speaker 7: to that, were some of these laws getting past that
[30:20] Speaker 7: were transformative and really were then able to be used
[30:25] Speaker 7: to build out a more stable middle class in the
[30:28] Speaker 7: US until you know, the seventies or so, when we
[30:31] Speaker 7: moved into deregulation, Reaganism, neoliberalism, that's kind of sent us
[30:35] Speaker 7: down the tubes for the past forty years. So I
[30:38] Speaker 7: remain hopeful, and I think this is why some of
[30:40] Speaker 7: the political races that are happening right now are so important,
[30:42] Speaker 7: The policies people are running on so important. Should a
[30:46] Speaker 7: different set of people have power, there is likely going
[30:49] Speaker 7: to be an opportunity for transformative policy making because things
[30:53] Speaker 7: are so bad, just like they were one hundred years ago.
[30:56] Speaker 7: And I hope that folks will see that opportunity to
[30:58] Speaker 7: really go for the bugular and shift things in a
[31:01] Speaker 7: direction that's going to support a strong working class, black
[31:04] Speaker 7: working class in this country. And we might we might
[31:07] Speaker 7: not get another opportunity. So there's no reason to go
[31:10] Speaker 7: small here. And if Donald Trump has shown us nothing,
[31:13] Speaker 7: it's that anything is possible when you get power, and
[31:16] Speaker 7: we should use it in a positive direction to really
[31:18] Speaker 7: support our people.
[31:19] Speaker 4: All right, Morgan, we still appreciate it.
[31:20] Speaker 7: Thanks a lot, Thanks for having me rollin.
[31:24] Speaker 3: It really is a wild greg when you when you
[31:27] Speaker 3: look at this is just how completely insane these people are.
[31:34] Speaker 3: This is a Republican Natural Committee Chair Joe Bruders, and
[31:39] Speaker 3: they just lie so easily.
[31:42] Speaker 16: But the President on the flip side, has been working
[31:44] Speaker 16: since day one of this administration to go to bat
[31:47] Speaker 16: for the average American worker. Look at the working family
[31:49] Speaker 16: tax cuts and what he did mean, no tax on tips, overtime,
[31:53] Speaker 16: social Security. He understands the pain and suffering that real
[31:56] Speaker 16: people are facing every day with gas prices, and he's trying.
[31:59] Speaker 3: To No, he's not trying greg He's trying to get
[32:05] Speaker 3: as rich as he can in the next two years.
[32:09] Speaker 4: That's what he's trying to do.
[32:11] Speaker 11: That's what he's trying to do.
[32:12] Speaker 12: And Able says, a hell of a question, because Morgan
[32:16] Speaker 12: gave chance to Morgan to stretch out there.
[32:17] Speaker 11: You know, it's not sustainable. First of all, is there
[32:21] Speaker 11: a single.
[32:22] Speaker 12: Person in this criminal enterprise who looks like someone other
[32:28] Speaker 12: than the kids who got laughed at in high school?
[32:32] Speaker 12: Every last one of these people, anyway, So that makes
[32:35] Speaker 12: it easier for the people to vote for them, not
[32:37] Speaker 12: just anyway, but and Morgan said it, and you said it.
[32:42] Speaker 12: They are stealing, and they got these limits up here
[32:44] Speaker 12: who are basically because they're lying to them, just engaged
[32:49] Speaker 12: in the fantasy and the lie is the point they
[32:52] Speaker 12: have separated. Any notion of truth. Truth is out the window.
[32:55] Speaker 12: Now they just say it's a lot. And so whether
[32:58] Speaker 12: it be that Porcelain fronted Howard Leutnik, friend of Epstein,
[33:02] Speaker 12: chilling to the island, going to see his next door neighbor,
[33:05] Speaker 12: the grifter, whether it be all of them profiting, you know,
[33:10] Speaker 12: talk about NEPO babies, Latnix, two boys with running Canter
[33:14] Speaker 12: Fitzgerald Brandon and Kyle.
[33:16] Speaker 11: They into bed now with.
[33:17] Speaker 12: These critical mineral deals all around the world, and of
[33:20] Speaker 12: course Boso is bargin in the countries. And then here
[33:23] Speaker 12: comes Canna Fitzgerald with the two boys. The only Nepo
[33:27] Speaker 12: boys that out do them are the Kushiner boys. Mister
[33:30] Speaker 12: dead man Soup Cushner prapped up by the Saudi billions.
[33:33] Speaker 12: And now you see his younger brother Joshua is trying
[33:37] Speaker 12: to buy twenty percent of FIFA, twenty percent of FIFA
[33:41] Speaker 12: that broke this week. Congressman Raskin is gonna try to
[33:44] Speaker 12: drag the head of FIFA to the Hill. And the
[33:46] Speaker 12: EU is already like, what the hell are y'all doing?
[33:48] Speaker 12: And this is all stealing. And as for typhoid Bobby,
[33:52] Speaker 12: typhoid Bobby Kennedy, you need to be worried about measles
[33:55] Speaker 12: and cyclospora leaked leaked doctor Fauci's diary to that crazy
[34:01] Speaker 12: ass Randy Paul, who should be worried about.
[34:03] Speaker 11: The measles outbreak, but it's going after him.
[34:06] Speaker 12: And then you got this guy Kennedy talking crazy because
[34:09] Speaker 12: as you said, either worm ate his brain or something
[34:12] Speaker 12: else happened. And you saw Senator Moreno, Bernie Moreno up
[34:16] Speaker 12: there dropping the F bomb, yelling at Fauci when he
[34:19] Speaker 12: should be trying to protect his daughter and grand baby
[34:22] Speaker 12: from that crazy ass congressman who's accused of beating them
[34:24] Speaker 12: both up.
[34:25] Speaker 11: And so what we have now is a completely.
[34:29] Speaker 12: Out of control patriarchy, white male elite financial elites. And
[34:35] Speaker 12: as they are doing that, they are trying to they
[34:38] Speaker 12: know the clock is ticking.
[34:40] Speaker 11: So they got that little worm, nasty.
[34:42] Speaker 12: Piece of work Russell Volt running around in basements and addicts,
[34:44] Speaker 12: trying to come up with different ways to finagle, imposing
[34:47] Speaker 12: new tariffs and moving all this stuff forward so they
[34:50] Speaker 12: can just squeeze out.
[34:51] Speaker 11: A little bit more time.
[34:52] Speaker 12: Finally, Morgan City, this might be the last time that
[34:57] Speaker 12: we can put the brakes on this stuff. And unfortunately,
[35:00] Speaker 12: too many of our people think that somehow either this
[35:03] Speaker 12: can be reversed or it's not going to impact them.
[35:06] Speaker 12: They are straight stealing on a global level, and the
[35:09] Speaker 12: only way that we're going to stop them is to
[35:11] Speaker 12: hike up our big boy pants, our big girl pants,
[35:14] Speaker 12: and get in that ballot box and at least try
[35:16] Speaker 12: to put the brakes on some of this stuff.
[35:18] Speaker 11: In the next few.
[35:19] Speaker 3: Months and just one more for y'all. Check this out.
[35:22] Speaker 3: Go to my iPad. January twenty twenty five. Americans, we're
[35:27] Speaker 3: saving about nine thousand dollars a year. Guess what they're
[35:33] Speaker 3: saving now, five thousand dollars a year. So when Scott
[35:39] Speaker 3: was sent said in November, oh, we want to give
[35:41] Speaker 3: them two thousand, and we hope they start saving and
[35:43] Speaker 3: they can experience compound interest. Nope, they're spending. They're experiencing
[35:48] Speaker 3: compound losses, Scott. But then again, I'm quite sure your
[35:53] Speaker 3: investment accounts have actually gone up a tremendous number.
[35:59] Speaker 4: All Right, we come back to talk about.
[36:00] Speaker 3: The drama out of Wisconsin and forming Lautenant Governor Mandela
[36:03] Speaker 3: Bards shockingly drops out.
[36:05] Speaker 4: Of the race. Also, New Poe shows.
[36:08] Speaker 3: Maga don't give a dab by, no scandals or even
[36:12] Speaker 3: sexual harassment. The big gonna vote for the Cannons anyway, Democrats,
[36:17] Speaker 3: we tried to tell you you're watching rollerd Martin unfiltered on
[36:20] Speaker 3: the Blackstird Network.
[36:27] Speaker 4: All right, folks, let me get persheda for a second.
[36:29] Speaker 3: My mom had questions about her medicare, so she called
[36:32] Speaker 3: Chapter a Medicare advisory company and she texts me right after,
[36:35] Speaker 3: saying it's a great benefit. It was easy, a real
[36:38] Speaker 3: person who walked her through the whole thing. And now
[36:41] Speaker 3: she understands better what's going on because.
[36:43] Speaker 4: Also it's not just her.
[36:45] Speaker 3: Woman in Yonkers wrote in saying the process was so simple,
[36:48] Speaker 3: the enrollment was easy, and she was so glad.
[36:50] Speaker 4: She called.
[36:51] Speaker 3: And there's Maryland, ninety years old in Florida, living on Social Security.
[36:55] Speaker 3: Her premium climbed every single year, north of four hundred dollars.
[36:59] Speaker 3: It's a month for coverage she could barely afford any more.
[37:02] Speaker 4: So what does she do?
[37:03] Speaker 3: She called Chapter if they found her the same top
[37:06] Speaker 3: toier coverage for hundreds of dollars less ninety years old,
[37:10] Speaker 3: and finally, somebody in her corner. I hear stories like
[37:13] Speaker 3: that again and again from our community. The Medicare system
[37:17] Speaker 3: was not built to work for you. Too much fine print,
[37:20] Speaker 3: too many plans. Yet Chapters advisors are independent and honest,
[37:23] Speaker 3: the only Medicare advisors that compare every plan nationwide. They're
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[37:52] Speaker 4: That's chapter.
[37:53] Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question.
[37:55] Speaker 19: Why do so many people seem to think they know
[37:57] Speaker 19: black men so well but they think we want what
[38:00] Speaker 19: they think we need. Hell, they even tried to tell
[38:02] Speaker 19: us why and how we vote out? They never had
[38:03] Speaker 19: a conversation with us, never asked us.
[38:06] Speaker 2: How we felt.
[38:07] Speaker 20: Brings us joy? What makes us angry? What makes us scared?
[38:10] Speaker 2: How do we live?
[38:11] Speaker 20: That's what this show is about. No translation, because we
[38:14] Speaker 20: don't need anybody speaking for us.
[38:16] Speaker 2: We can speak for ourselves.
[38:17] Speaker 19: This will be a show where we bring brothers on
[38:19] Speaker 19: that you don't see on every other talk show. Nope,
[38:21] Speaker 19: brothers that are doing work in local communities with black men,
[38:25] Speaker 19: for black communities. We're going to hear each other and
[38:28] Speaker 19: try to understand so perhaps we can move forward together.
[38:31] Speaker 19: No translations because we don't need anybody speaking for us.
[38:34] Speaker 2: What we need is each other.
[38:36] Speaker 20: No translation, right here on the Black Star Network.
[38:39] Speaker 21: Check it out, You said, if y'all, this is Wendell
[38:45] Speaker 21: Haskins aka Win Hogan at the original pe Golf Plastic
[38:49] Speaker 21: and you know our watch Rowland Martin unfiltered.
[38:59] Speaker 3: Folks. Stunning developments in Wisconsin. Their primary is literally a
[39:05] Speaker 3: couple weeks away, and former Lieutenant Governor Mandela Barnes announced
[39:10] Speaker 3: he is dropping out in his race for governor.
[39:13] Speaker 4: That's right. The announcement came via social media. He explains why.
[39:20] Speaker 22: Last night I had a very difficult conversation with my staff.
[39:23] Speaker 22: Now we're incredibly proud of all the things that we've
[39:25] Speaker 22: accomplished and all the resources that we have raised to
[39:28] Speaker 22: spread our message, but it's become.
[39:30] Speaker 2: Very clear who are nominee is going to be. Now.
[39:33] Speaker 22: I said it from the very beginning when I launched
[39:35] Speaker 22: this campaign that the number one goal was taken on
[39:37] Speaker 22: and defeating Tom Tifney to deliver big wins for Democrats
[39:41] Speaker 22: up and down the ticket. And now it's our time
[39:44] Speaker 22: to come together to focus our efforts on that one goal.
[39:48] Speaker 22: We have to do everything to be Tom Tifney. This
[39:50] Speaker 22: is life or death of Wisconsin nights. We're losing their
[39:53] Speaker 22: healthcare under a Trump administration. People who can't afford child.
[39:56] Speaker 22: Here the folks were being squeezed by bills while the
[39:59] Speaker 22: rich continue to get Richard. Now I got this raise
[40:02] Speaker 22: because we're living in a rig system. The rich are
[40:04] Speaker 22: getting richer while the rest of us are left scrambling
[40:07] Speaker 22: for crumbs. I know this firsthand. That's why I've always
[40:10] Speaker 22: fought for better as a legislator, as an organizer, as
[40:13] Speaker 22: a lieutenant governor. Now, while I'll maybe suspending this campaign,
[40:18] Speaker 22: I'll never give up my fight for Wisconsin. And I'm
[40:20] Speaker 22: incredibly grateful for all the folks who joined this campaign,
[40:23] Speaker 22: for the people who believed in me in this movement.
[40:25] Speaker 22: Knew that we had a real shot at creating opportunities
[40:28] Speaker 22: through bold action to improve quality of life for every
[40:31] Speaker 22: single person that calls its place home. Now we have
[40:35] Speaker 22: to do everything we possibly care to defeat Tom Tiffy.
[40:39] Speaker 22: And that's exactly what I'm committed to doing for the
[40:41] Speaker 22: next ninety six days.
[40:43] Speaker 4: Okay, so what the hell is going on here?
[40:46] Speaker 3: Go to my iPad? This is the Associated Press story.
[40:49] Speaker 3: One second, don't go yet. Let me get rid of
[40:51] Speaker 3: this pop up ad. Dick, give me one second. Close
[40:54] Speaker 3: this all right? This is what the AP story said
[40:58] Speaker 3: first and Foremost, you've got Democratic socialist Francesca Hong, who
[41:03] Speaker 3: is leading in a huge way in the polls. It
[41:06] Speaker 3: says Barnes's decision to drop out came a day after
[41:09] Speaker 3: the release of a Marquette Law School poll of Wisconsin
[41:12] Speaker 3: Democratic primary voters that found Hong leading Barnes and the
[41:17] Speaker 3: other candidates by a significant margin, although one third of
[41:22] Speaker 3: primary voters remain undecided. Barnes said, it's become very clear
[41:27] Speaker 3: who our nomine is going to be. But it also
[41:30] Speaker 3: says Barnes's move came on the same day as The
[41:34] Speaker 3: Milwaukee Journals sent Or reported it had asked him about
[41:38] Speaker 3: allegations of inappropriate behavior Lodge with the state Democratic Party,
[41:44] Speaker 3: local party officials, and others against him. Okay, I don't
[41:51] Speaker 3: think there's in y'all. I'm really trying not to cuss.
[41:54] Speaker 3: I'm really trying not to cuss. But what's happening. Wisconsin's
[41:58] Speaker 3: being totally clus to fuck. I mean, I like it
[42:01] Speaker 3: is insane. You have a Democratic governor Tony Evers. Okay,
[42:07] Speaker 3: you finally have frankly Democrats who have taken over the
[42:10] Speaker 3: Wisconsin Supreme Court. They have an opportunity to break the
[42:14] Speaker 3: Republican hole in the state legislature, and the governor's race
[42:17] Speaker 3: has been completely completely insane. It has been insane. Here
[42:26] Speaker 3: you have again Barnes, former lieutenant governor. Well, the current
[42:33] Speaker 3: lieutenant governor was running, she dropped out. Then you had
[42:40] Speaker 3: the brother, Milwaukee County Executive David Crowley, who was running,
[42:47] Speaker 3: who then dropped out of the race, and then he
[42:52] Speaker 3: got back in the race, and the current Democratic governor,
[42:57] Speaker 3: Tony Evers endorses Crowley. Then on top of that, you've
[43:04] Speaker 3: got Democrats saying, if Hong is our nominee, we're gonna
[43:09] Speaker 3: get crushed by the Republican opponent at the ballot box
[43:13] Speaker 3: in November. Because Wisconsin is a very.
[43:18] Speaker 4: It's a very much a split state. Avis.
[43:23] Speaker 3: This is a crazy like I've literally never heard of
[43:29] Speaker 3: one of the top tier candidates resigning two weeks before
[43:35] Speaker 3: the primary election with even that poll one third of
[43:41] Speaker 3: the people undecided.
[43:44] Speaker 4: You can't you can't tell me he dropped out because
[43:46] Speaker 4: of that, Poe.
[43:49] Speaker 3: This is the regarding the allegations the Wisconsin Democratic Party
[43:53] Speaker 3: receiving an nomoge letter in twenty twenty four and again
[43:56] Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five making allegations against Barnes. A person
[43:59] Speaker 3: was directing iPad with direct knowledge of the party's actions
[44:02] Speaker 3: totally associated press. The person was not authorized to speak
[44:05] Speaker 3: publicly about the review. The party hired a law firm
[44:07] Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five to look into claims that Barnes
[44:10] Speaker 3: used his position in the party to seek out inappropriate
[44:13] Speaker 3: relationships with young adult women. The person said the review
[44:16] Speaker 3: found nothing actionable because the allegations were anonymous and unspecific,
[44:21] Speaker 3: The person with knowledge of the probe said. Barnes campaign
[44:24] Speaker 3: issue the statement saying there are no allegations of misconduct
[44:27] Speaker 3: or wrongdoing against Mandela.
[44:30] Speaker 4: So okay.
[44:32] Speaker 3: So if anonymous allegations are made and you say there's
[44:35] Speaker 3: no truth to them, why would you drop out of
[44:40] Speaker 3: the race just because the poll shows you down.
[44:47] Speaker 5: I don't know, You're exactly right. This is extremely unusual.
[44:52] Speaker 18: It makes me wonder if there's something going out going
[44:56] Speaker 18: on that remains unsaid, because it it is completely nonsensical. Now,
[45:03] Speaker 18: I will say what you just mentioned there about this allegation,
[45:06] Speaker 18: But if the allegation seems to not have any substance, that.
[45:11] Speaker 5: Should not be enough for him to drop out.
[45:15] Speaker 18: It would be very easy, honestly for anyone to make
[45:18] Speaker 18: an allegation, anonymous allegation. So are you setting up a
[45:23] Speaker 18: precedent where if people want to be targeted, all your
[45:26] Speaker 18: opponents would have to do is have somebody phone in
[45:29] Speaker 18: an anonymous allegation and all of a sudden, you're gonna fold.
[45:32] Speaker 18: It just makes me feel like there are some unspoken
[45:35] Speaker 18: things going on here that is really at the root
[45:39] Speaker 18: of this, because it's hard for me to believe that
[45:42] Speaker 18: the very thin slices of evidence that you've just shown
[45:45] Speaker 18: would make somebody, uh, you know, drop out of the race,
[45:49] Speaker 18: particularly someone with his background, and especially since the polling
[45:53] Speaker 18: shows that a third of voters have yet to makee
[45:55] Speaker 18: up their vote, make up their mind about their vote.
[45:58] Speaker 18: There's plenty of time left and plenty of people out
[46:00] Speaker 18: there that was still in play, And so, honestly, it
[46:02] Speaker 18: makes absolutely no sense to me.
[46:04] Speaker 11: At all, not at all.
[46:05] Speaker 4: So received go to my iphad.
[46:08] Speaker 3: Marquette Law poll finds expanded support for Hong and Democratic
[46:12] Speaker 3: primary Barnes sits second and Crowley third. Okay, so when
[46:16] Speaker 3: you look at this poll, this is what it says.
[46:18] Speaker 4: Racy.
[46:19] Speaker 3: A new Marquette Law School poll survey of Democratic primary
[46:22] Speaker 3: voters finds state Representative Francesca Hong leading with thirty eight percent,
[46:28] Speaker 3: followed by former Lieutenant Government Della Barnes with sixteen percent,
[46:32] Speaker 3: and Milwaukee County Executive David Crowley at seven percent. Former
[46:36] Speaker 3: Department of Administration Secretary Joe Brennan is supported by two percent,
[46:40] Speaker 3: and State Senator Kelder Royce is also the choice of
[46:44] Speaker 3: two percent. In the previous Marquette Law School poll survey
[46:49] Speaker 3: conducted July eight through the sixteenth, Hong had twenty six
[46:52] Speaker 3: percent and Barnes had fifteen percent. Crowley was not a
[46:55] Speaker 3: candidate at the time of the earlier poll, while Lieutenant
[46:58] Speaker 3: Governor Sarah Rodriguez, who subsequent suspend their campaign at eleven percent.
[47:02] Speaker 3: But this is line In this poll, thirty four percent
[47:07] Speaker 3: of primary voters remain undecided, down from forty five percent
[47:13] Speaker 3: in the previous poll. Ask for their second choice in
[47:18] Speaker 3: the primary, twenty percent pick Barnes, thirteen percent choose Crowley,
[47:24] Speaker 3: twelve percent preferred roys, with Hong receiving eight percent of
[47:30] Speaker 3: second choices in Brentan seven percent. The remaining forty percent
[47:35] Speaker 3: say they haven't decided on a second choice. So even
[47:42] Speaker 3: though this poll is not favorable to the Barnes campaign.
[47:48] Speaker 23: I'm just befuddled why you would drop out when the
[47:53] Speaker 23: election is in eleven days.
[47:58] Speaker 17: I have one word, don't if the donors pull the
[48:02] Speaker 17: plug on your campaign. You cannot mount a competitive campaign
[48:06] Speaker 17: when you are eighteen points behind. And this story about
[48:10] Speaker 17: this alleged misconduct, it actually popped up on July ninth,
[48:14] Speaker 17: and with reporting from the Milwaukee Beagle, and so this
[48:19] Speaker 17: story has had some legs, at least in Wisconsin for
[48:22] Speaker 17: a number of weeks. I believe that's probably likely why
[48:25] Speaker 17: David Crawley popped back in the race after Sarah Rodriguez
[48:28] Speaker 17: withdrew from the race, because they didn't want to pin
[48:30] Speaker 17: all of their hopes on Mindela Barnes, and I think
[48:34] Speaker 17: that they might have hoped that he would drop out
[48:36] Speaker 17: sooner with the reporting and with some of the pressure
[48:39] Speaker 17: that was happening behind scenes allegedly, but he didn't do that,
[48:43] Speaker 17: and so I think it probably became untenable for him
[48:46] Speaker 17: to proceed with increasing intents to report on this. You
[48:50] Speaker 17: already talked about the other newspaper that reached out to
[48:53] Speaker 17: him today for a comment on this, and there really
[48:55] Speaker 17: isn't much of an appetite right now I don't think
[48:57] Speaker 17: from major party players, whether it's at the state level
[49:00] Speaker 17: or other levels, to engage in any kind of meat
[49:03] Speaker 17: to allegations. And if you're explaining, you are losing. And
[49:06] Speaker 17: we've seen misconduct allegations that have been launched and derailed
[49:12] Speaker 17: campaigns rightfully, So if you ask me, if you were
[49:15] Speaker 17: doing things that are inappropriate, then you should not be
[49:17] Speaker 17: running for higher office. And anonymous complaints can very easily
[49:21] Speaker 17: turn into name complaints. Complaints can also very easily turn
[49:25] Speaker 17: into more extensive complaints. You know, we saw that with
[49:28] Speaker 17: Platinir and so I'm not passing judgment on the veracity
[49:32] Speaker 17: of them. I'm not trying to impugne former Lieutenant Governor
[49:36] Speaker 17: Barnes character or say that he did anything wrong. But
[49:40] Speaker 17: I think if you look at the political landscape that
[49:43] Speaker 17: he was facing in Wisconsin, already running from behind, already
[49:46] Speaker 17: having this story hangover, already preparing for this story to
[49:49] Speaker 17: get bigger, he probably did not have much of a
[49:52] Speaker 17: choice but to.
[49:53] Speaker 5: Step aside totally.
[49:55] Speaker 17: So that obviously makes things stronger for Hawank who's already
[49:58] Speaker 17: in the lead. And I think that perhaps maybe a
[50:00] Speaker 17: Tony Evers and others were kind of hoping that David
[50:02] Speaker 17: probably hopping in the race could provide a contrast to
[50:06] Speaker 17: Huwong that they're so scared about. So we'll see how
[50:09] Speaker 17: this happens. But I don't think that this was something
[50:10] Speaker 17: that just happened overnight. Like I said, this story, the
[50:13] Speaker 17: reporting around this started going public around July ninth.
[50:17] Speaker 4: But his was interesting. Greg.
[50:20] Speaker 3: This is a press release from July fifteenth, just fifteen
[50:23] Speaker 3: days ago, from the Barnes campaign. Go to MyPad, Mandela
[50:28] Speaker 3: Barnes announces raising nearly one point four million dollars in
[50:31] Speaker 3: campaign for governor. Now it says that not only that,
[50:35] Speaker 3: an independent expenditure backing Barnes reported raising nearly a million dollars,
[50:40] Speaker 3: meaning more than two point two million has been raised
[50:43] Speaker 3: to elect Mandela Barnes as governor. His campaign was up
[50:46] Speaker 3: on TV with six figures behind Wisconsin Way, and they
[50:51] Speaker 3: said the independent expenditure also has a half a million
[50:53] Speaker 3: dollars behind a TV buy on top of an additional
[50:55] Speaker 3: six figure State by Digital ad campaign. So I told
[51:00] Speaker 3: understand Reese's point there about donors abandoning, but this was
[51:06] Speaker 3: just fifteen days ago, and now you have eleven days
[51:10] Speaker 3: to go before this election and so it is just striking.
[51:17] Speaker 3: So this was just striking to me to see this
[51:20] Speaker 3: story today. I can't remember. I can't remember. I don't
[51:25] Speaker 3: know if y'all care. I can't remember of a top
[51:28] Speaker 3: tier candidate leaving a race less than two weeks before
[51:34] Speaker 3: election day.
[51:36] Speaker 4: I mean, and I get it.
[51:37] Speaker 3: Okay, let's just say with the allegations, they say, no
[51:42] Speaker 3: truth to them, got it. Anything can change over the
[51:47] Speaker 3: next eleven days. And if you got one third people undecided,
[51:51] Speaker 3: that means you actually you're still in the race.
[51:54] Speaker 4: This is strange to me.
[51:55] Speaker 12: Great well, I mean in the same artcle you were
[51:59] Speaker 12: reading from, she is leading, or she was leading when
[52:04] Speaker 12: Pole Wong, that is twenty two percent among that forty percent.
[52:09] Speaker 12: The sun decided and they said that they had to pick.
[52:12] Speaker 12: She was leading in that. So you know, and we
[52:17] Speaker 12: laid it out. I think, first of all, man Devila Barnes,
[52:21] Speaker 12: thirty nine years old. Second of all, just a few
[52:24] Speaker 12: more of us have gotten up off our assets, he
[52:26] Speaker 12: would be in the United States Senate instead of that corpse.
[52:29] Speaker 3: Well, well, if you're right, if a few of us
[52:32] Speaker 3: had gotten up our asses to vote, But also if
[52:34] Speaker 3: the Mandela Barns and the Crustomer. He's not been happy
[52:37] Speaker 3: with me because I've been saying this. He and I
[52:39] Speaker 3: had a conversation, but his campaign also did not aggressionally
[52:43] Speaker 3: target black people in Milwaukee, because that was a fifty
[52:47] Speaker 3: thousand drop off in the city of Milwaukee from the
[52:51] Speaker 3: previous campaign, and we had Milwaukee activists on this show
[52:56] Speaker 3: talked about how they had literally no relationship with this campaign,
[53:00] Speaker 3: and the white boys over his campaign assumed black people
[53:03] Speaker 3: are going to turn out. Well, and guess what, I think.
[53:05] Speaker 3: He lost by twenty six thousand votes. But I'm sorry,
[53:09] Speaker 3: and I'm just being and let me just go in
[53:12] Speaker 3: and let me just go ahead and say it, okay,
[53:14] Speaker 3: because I hit to other people. Not a single time
[53:19] Speaker 3: during this election cycle now, and again, let me be clear,
[53:24] Speaker 3: Mandela Barnes and I had several conversations after he lost
[53:27] Speaker 3: to Senator Ron Johnson. Okay, not a single time during
[53:33] Speaker 3: this election cycle have we heard from the Barnes campaign
[53:39] Speaker 3: to come on this show to talk about him running
[53:42] Speaker 3: for governor now, even though I went to Texas A
[53:45] Speaker 3: and m he's a Kappa with Aaron Ford who's running
[53:49] Speaker 3: for governor of Nevada. I've heard from him. I've heard
[53:53] Speaker 3: from Governor Wes Moore. I've heard from other candidates. I
[53:58] Speaker 3: ain't here from Mandela Barnes, which is crazy after the
[54:01] Speaker 3: several conversations that we had, but continue, please.
[54:05] Speaker 11: No, no, no, and Roland.
[54:07] Speaker 12: I think what you just did is perhaps pulled on
[54:10] Speaker 12: a thread that might have some explanatory force.
[54:14] Speaker 11: Is it crazy? Is it crazy? Mandela Barnes looks.
[54:18] Speaker 12: Like a party man. So what do we have in Wisconsin?
[54:22] Speaker 12: Very evenly divided? As you said, Republicans Democrat? Do you
[54:26] Speaker 12: consolidate behind the candidate? And I don't want to And
[54:32] Speaker 12: later on you'll be talking, of course to doctor doctor sayed,
[54:36] Speaker 12: So it'll be interesting to hear that conversation. There's a fight,
[54:39] Speaker 12: of course going on right now in the Democratic Party.
[54:41] Speaker 12: The DNC is in terrible shape. Ken Martin run around
[54:44] Speaker 12: hiding from people. But that Reggedy ass report they put in.
[54:47] Speaker 12: Ben Wickler is being reported as maybe running for that
[54:51] Speaker 12: other Senate seat in twenty twenty eight. Mendela Barnes is
[54:54] Speaker 12: thirty nine years old, he's proven he's a Democratic Party man,
[55:00] Speaker 12: and so maybe he's counting up and saying, do you
[55:02] Speaker 12: want to be that guy that loses every election? You
[55:04] Speaker 12: lost the Senate, then he lost the governor. Is if
[55:07] Speaker 12: he runs in twenty eight, they can say, hey, you
[55:10] Speaker 12: stood up and saluted when you need to salute. And
[55:12] Speaker 12: let's be crystal clear about this. There's only one major
[55:16] Speaker 12: party in the United States of America for which scandal
[55:19] Speaker 12: is a problem. For the White Nationalist Party, scandal is
[55:22] Speaker 12: actually a badge of honor. Again, I go back to
[55:25] Speaker 12: Senator Moreno, whose daughter testified that her husband Moreno's son
[55:30] Speaker 12: in law, his son in law. What's a guy's name,
[55:33] Speaker 12: Max Miller, a second term Republican congressman in Ohio, did
[55:38] Speaker 12: what scalded in her chest and stomach, throwing hot water
[55:42] Speaker 12: on her with is from a skillet, held a gun
[55:44] Speaker 12: to her head, pushed it against a wall, hit her head,
[55:46] Speaker 12: fractured their two year old daughters colin bone, and gruised
[55:49] Speaker 12: her shoulder.
[55:49] Speaker 11: And guess what in his district that might be something.
[55:52] Speaker 12: I'm gonna vote for him, But when it comes to
[55:55] Speaker 12: the Democrats and a black.
[55:56] Speaker 11: Democrat man, you better not even look sideways.
[55:59] Speaker 12: This man, when he was like twenty twenty one years old,
[56:01] Speaker 12: he had some kind of lagerie party. They tried to
[56:03] Speaker 12: hang that around his neck. A college guy that was
[56:05] Speaker 12: tagged on a social media post. I'm just saying Mandela
[56:08] Speaker 12: Barnes made her counted up to costs and said, look,
[56:11] Speaker 12: if I'm running twenty eight for this Senate seat, let's
[56:14] Speaker 12: say that Wanan, when's the governor. Hey, now they throw
[56:17] Speaker 12: it all behind Barnes. If she loses, he still comes
[56:20] Speaker 12: out like Okay. Barnes had the same Saton team player.
[56:23] Speaker 12: I think there's a lot of angles to this, and
[56:24] Speaker 12: what you said, Roland might be one of those clues
[56:28] Speaker 12: to help us understand the logic of a Mandela Barnes
[56:31] Speaker 12: who never really come towards the black community in a
[56:34] Speaker 12: way that we might prefer, but might be calculating that
[56:37] Speaker 12: as a loyal Democrat in Wisconsin.
[56:40] Speaker 11: We just don't know.
[56:42] Speaker 3: I just want it. Listen when the brother I'm not
[56:48] Speaker 3: going to say who it was, but I remember sending
[56:55] Speaker 3: a text message.
[56:58] Speaker 4: When was this? Give me one second.
[57:00] Speaker 3: It was July seventeenth. This was July seventeenth. Then it
[57:05] Speaker 3: was a day lieutenant governor quit the race. So I
[57:08] Speaker 3: text the prominent black activist in Milwaukee. I said, saw this.
[57:14] Speaker 3: Then the person says, lol, wait for tomorrow's news. And
[57:19] Speaker 3: then later that day Crowley got back into the race.
[57:25] Speaker 3: Then this person said, this is who the community rocks with,
[57:30] Speaker 3: and Crowley, of course is the Milwaukee count executive. Now
[57:33] Speaker 3: I was that was again Crowley had dropped out, Barnes
[57:37] Speaker 3: was still in and I was like, wow, this brother's
[57:41] Speaker 3: actually like, what the hell's going on here?
[57:44] Speaker 4: And so I have not seen any Can I.
[57:46] Speaker 17: Just say real quick, he dropped out the day before
[57:48] Speaker 17: that Milwaukee Beagle.
[57:51] Speaker 11: Particle.
[57:52] Speaker 17: He dropped out July eighth, and that article came out
[57:54] Speaker 17: July ninth, And he might not have dropped out had
[57:58] Speaker 17: that article came out first.
[58:00] Speaker 4: Ah, gotcha. Well this is all and and I'm speculating.
[58:06] Speaker 9: I don't know.
[58:06] Speaker 2: I'm just no.
[58:10] Speaker 3: You know, first of all, you're just stating facts. He
[58:12] Speaker 3: dropped out in the eighth Uncle came out on the ninth.
[58:15] Speaker 3: This is the thing that also really jumps out at me.
[58:18] Speaker 3: And we're gonna we're gonna hear from some of this
[58:20] Speaker 3: when when people see my interview, because his answer to
[58:24] Speaker 3: this democratic social of America, people gonna be very interesting
[58:27] Speaker 3: how he answered that question. But there are a lot
[58:31] Speaker 3: of democrats, Greg These are national democrats who were scared
[58:37] Speaker 3: to death.
[58:38] Speaker 4: Literally, I had.
[58:39] Speaker 3: One of them say give me one second, Give me
[58:43] Speaker 3: one second. See I love everybody, say this is why
[58:50] Speaker 3: we deal with facts. So an extremely prominent national Democrat
[58:59] Speaker 3: when I sent the Barns dropout, said we're going to
[59:03] Speaker 3: lose this race, s md h and and so what
[59:10] Speaker 3: you have is you have this sentiment that because she
[59:14] Speaker 3: is DSA, they're going to lose Wisconsin. But Greg Coulk,
[59:21] Speaker 3: these Democrats be completely missing the real subplot here, and
[59:28] Speaker 3: that is if you look at what Hong or Wong
[59:34] Speaker 3: not sure how to pronounce your name. You look at
[59:36] Speaker 3: what she's speaking to. If you look at what mom
[59:41] Speaker 3: Donnie was speaking to, if you look at to what
[59:45] Speaker 3: the sister was speaking to her name is case mean
[59:48] Speaker 3: who won in DC? If you look at where these
[59:52] Speaker 3: candidates to George, if you look at look at how
[59:58] Speaker 3: they've been running, maybe what Democrats should be saying is
[1:00:03] Speaker 3: what are they speaking to and saying as opposed to
[1:00:08] Speaker 3: Democrats being act listening to too many Republicans and getting
[1:00:16] Speaker 3: caught up in the title Greg.
[1:00:20] Speaker 12: What you call him Rowland and smart ass white boys.
[1:00:22] Speaker 12: There's a fight going on in the Democratic Party. What
[1:00:26] Speaker 12: was it two weeks ago you talked with Chris rap
[1:00:28] Speaker 12: Out of Philly. I mean, when you're talking about human issues,
[1:00:32] Speaker 12: when you're talking about people's stomachs, when you're talking about
[1:00:35] Speaker 12: people's bank accounts, when youre talking about people's children, when
[1:00:37] Speaker 12: you talking about the aches and pain that people have
[1:00:39] Speaker 12: that they can't go to the doctor because they don't
[1:00:41] Speaker 12: have health care. They're trying to hang the label democratic
[1:00:44] Speaker 12: socialists on brown people's neck. But here's the problem. People
[1:00:49] Speaker 12: are chewing on it and they're finding they like the taste.
[1:00:52] Speaker 12: So when you talked to Zora and Mam Donny, what
[1:00:55] Speaker 12: did he say? He said, I'm not the first Democratic
[1:00:57] Speaker 12: socialist the mayor of New York. That would be David Dinkins,
[1:01:00] Speaker 12: who was a card carrying member of the DSA. And
[1:01:02] Speaker 12: so the bookie tactic is not working now as far
[1:01:05] Speaker 12: as the Democrats are concerned. Listen, I can't figure it out. Well,
[1:01:09] Speaker 12: I don't want to say I can't figure it out.
[1:01:11] Speaker 12: I'm saying it is speculation. But you know, we got
[1:01:14] Speaker 12: a Texas race with tel Rico down there and Carzwo
[1:01:17] Speaker 12: mccrockett has endorsed him, but she campaign in Michigan for
[1:01:21] Speaker 12: the guy for the lady who is It was terrible
[1:01:24] Speaker 12: running against sayat and I'm saying, this is inside the
[1:01:27] Speaker 12: Democratic Party, and you got the establishment Democrats. You got
[1:01:30] Speaker 12: the progressives in there as well, who want to be
[1:01:33] Speaker 12: law to the party, and they don't know how to
[1:01:36] Speaker 12: deal with this surge in this country. Now, this was
[1:01:40] Speaker 12: the nineteen thirties and it was Franklin Roosevelt. They'd all
[1:01:43] Speaker 12: be on the side of a very democratic socialist sounding
[1:01:47] Speaker 12: president who was a child of privilege, riding out of
[1:01:49] Speaker 12: the governorship in New York and the next thing you know,
[1:01:51] Speaker 12: happy days are here again.
[1:01:52] Speaker 11: In the New Deal.
[1:01:54] Speaker 12: These white boys, the white NaSTA has been fighting that
[1:01:57] Speaker 12: fight against all of this spect of making you a
[1:02:01] Speaker 12: little bit more equitable for people to live in this
[1:02:03] Speaker 12: society since the nineteen thirties. They were against the New Deal.
[1:02:06] Speaker 12: They were against the great Society. We heard it earlier
[1:02:09] Speaker 12: when Morgan started talking about Nixon. Their whole thing is
[1:02:13] Speaker 12: wreck it, make as much money as you want, and
[1:02:15] Speaker 12: damned the rest of these people. What these Democratic socialists
[1:02:18] Speaker 12: have tapped into. And make no mistake, they are not communists.
[1:02:21] Speaker 12: They are not socialists. Because even in New York, the
[1:02:25] Speaker 12: hardcore DSA cats coming out and saying Kazio Cortes, you
[1:02:29] Speaker 12: ain't really socialist enough by dining. So if you know
[1:02:32] Speaker 12: the inside baseball of that ideological struggle, they're looking at
[1:02:36] Speaker 12: those people like when you started running for office, we
[1:02:38] Speaker 12: started looking at you suspicious because they are suspicious, some
[1:02:41] Speaker 12: of them, of all electoral politics. I'm saying it's coming
[1:02:44] Speaker 12: down to this. The Democratic Party is on the verge
[1:02:50] Speaker 12: of giving these white nationalists another set of talking points
[1:02:54] Speaker 12: by trying to eat these people who have some real
[1:02:58] Speaker 12: appeal among people who are hurting. And instead of leading
[1:03:01] Speaker 12: into that, they're trying to prop up this old ass
[1:03:03] Speaker 12: Democratic Party that's gonna come apart like tissue paper. And
[1:03:06] Speaker 12: then we're gonna be faced with the right newt to say,
[1:03:07] Speaker 12: don't know what the hell we're gonna do because ninety
[1:03:10] Speaker 12: of the people in the black community can't shoot.
[1:03:13] Speaker 3: Recent go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
[1:03:17] Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
[1:03:17] Speaker 17: Because Jackson Crockett has an endorsed Hailey Stevens, she's in
[1:03:20] Speaker 17: Michigan to support Bridget Brink, who's a congressional campaign. So
[1:03:24] Speaker 17: I know that there have been some people who have
[1:03:27] Speaker 17: their Google AI has been given this result back that
[1:03:30] Speaker 17: Jasmin Crockett endorse Hailey Stevens, but then the actual articles
[1:03:34] Speaker 17: point to her endorsement of Javier Bestarr, so she hasn't
[1:03:37] Speaker 17: made an endorsement in that race.
[1:03:38] Speaker 5: Just want to clarify because.
[1:03:39] Speaker 17: She gets so much hate and I'm like, Okay, at
[1:03:41] Speaker 17: least give her hey for what she actually did. Don't
[1:03:43] Speaker 17: let's not put her in an outcome like she endorsed
[1:03:45] Speaker 17: Hailey Stevens.
[1:03:46] Speaker 2: What she has.
[1:03:47] Speaker 3: Well, we are watching this race, lots of talk about
[1:03:54] Speaker 3: will continue to do so, but I wasn't gonna go
[1:03:57] Speaker 3: to a breakback, go ahead right into it. I want
[1:03:59] Speaker 3: to talk about what's happening in Virginia where there is
[1:04:05] Speaker 3: a gathering taking place that is specifically speaking to voters
[1:04:10] Speaker 3: of color, specifically black men, and really looking at what
[1:04:14] Speaker 3: is happening economically, what is happening.
[1:04:16] Speaker 4: A new report confirmed what many of us already do.
[1:04:19] Speaker 3: Black men and boys face persistent economic disparities and education
[1:04:22] Speaker 3: and ployment and household wealth. The Economic State of Black
[1:04:25] Speaker 3: Men and Boys in the United States is the inaugural
[1:04:27] Speaker 3: annual research report published by the John Mercer Langston Institute
[1:04:31] Speaker 3: for African American Political Leadership at Virginia State University at
[1:04:35] Speaker 3: the West Beloman, the chair of Political Science at VSU
[1:04:38] Speaker 3: joins us right now. We's glad to have you on
[1:04:40] Speaker 3: the show. What stood out the most for you in this.
[1:04:44] Speaker 2: Report, Well, hey Rowland, good to see you, brother.
[1:04:49] Speaker 24: In much respect to everybody who's on the show, there's
[1:04:52] Speaker 24: a couple of things that really stood out when we
[1:04:54] Speaker 24: look at the data showing how Black male enrollment in
[1:04:58] Speaker 24: post secondary education has been going down significantly over the
[1:05:02] Speaker 24: past two decades, not just at HBCUs but at PWIS,
[1:05:06] Speaker 24: and the lack of institutional attention that added to these
[1:05:11] Speaker 24: young men is something that really stood out.
[1:05:13] Speaker 2: When we look at fourth grade.
[1:05:15] Speaker 24: Re levels being at nearly seventeen percent for African American
[1:05:19] Speaker 24: students and specifically black males, that stood out. And then
[1:05:23] Speaker 24: we look at the data for unemployment for the month
[1:05:25] Speaker 24: of June, six point six percent unemployment for African Americans
[1:05:30] Speaker 24: and then a one point six lower unemployment rate for
[1:05:33] Speaker 24: Black men during that same time period. It really shows
[1:05:38] Speaker 24: the dire state of emergency that many black men are in.
[1:05:41] Speaker 24: And I think that now more than ever, we have
[1:05:43] Speaker 24: to make a conscious effort to bring forth tangible solutions
[1:05:46] Speaker 24: and concerted efforts to be able to address this crisis
[1:05:49] Speaker 24: with black.
[1:05:50] Speaker 3: Men, you know, on that particular point. You know, we've
[1:05:55] Speaker 3: often talked about how only speaking in terms of party
[1:06:01] Speaker 3: because of how people vote, how democratic party has to
[1:06:06] Speaker 3: understand I've been youngest since twenty twelve, that this thing
[1:06:11] Speaker 3: was happening and this feeling, this perspective when it comes
[1:06:15] Speaker 3: to voting, what's happening, And so many people were ignoring this,
[1:06:21] Speaker 3: including many black male Democrats.
[1:06:25] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:06:26] Speaker 24: Yeah, Well the data speaks for itself.
[1:06:30] Speaker 2: I mean, brothers are by and large being left out.
[1:06:33] Speaker 24: And I want to be clear, like we're not here
[1:06:35] Speaker 24: to create a situation in which is black men versus
[1:06:38] Speaker 24: black women or woe was me?
[1:06:40] Speaker 2: But the data speaks for itself.
[1:06:42] Speaker 24: And I mean we spent nearly a year and also
[1:06:44] Speaker 24: talking to nearly ten thousand folks across the country and
[1:06:48] Speaker 24: compiling data again from a multitude of different resources, including
[1:06:52] Speaker 24: the National Labor Statistics, Citizens BUD, a bunch of different
[1:06:55] Speaker 24: trusted and verifying sources, and the data all concludes the
[1:06:59] Speaker 24: same thing. Black men are in a state of emergency economically, educationally,
[1:07:05] Speaker 24: and it goes to.
[1:07:06] Speaker 2: Show why they're.
[1:07:07] Speaker 24: Easily swayed when it comes to voting, easily swayed when
[1:07:11] Speaker 24: it comes to being disengaged.
[1:07:13] Speaker 2: And obviously that's not everybody.
[1:07:15] Speaker 24: We had our Black Male Leadership Institute today, nearly fifty
[1:07:17] Speaker 24: young black men from across the Commonwealth of Virginia all there.
[1:07:21] Speaker 24: But that doesn't negate the fact that there are a
[1:07:23] Speaker 24: multitude of us who are still feeling as if they're
[1:07:26] Speaker 24: being left out and the day that's showing that they're
[1:07:28] Speaker 24: not going to post secondary education and furthermore, they're not
[1:07:31] Speaker 24: looking at different ways to be able to move in
[1:07:33] Speaker 24: the upper trajectory because they're just not getting the same attention.
[1:07:38] Speaker 4: A question from the panel, Greg you go first.
[1:07:42] Speaker 12: Thank you, thank you, thank you. What's going on? Doctor Wes?
[1:07:45] Speaker 12: How you doing man?
[1:07:47] Speaker 2: What's up? Og? How you doing?
[1:07:49] Speaker 17: Man?
[1:07:50] Speaker 12: Then I shout out to the trojans Man till our
[1:07:54] Speaker 12: brother president that said it low but you know, yeah you.
[1:07:59] Speaker 4: Think yeah West tell at Alpha. We said, what's up?
[1:08:02] Speaker 11: No question, no question. I didn't start with you. I
[1:08:06] Speaker 11: didn't start with you today.
[1:08:08] Speaker 9: Ahead.
[1:08:09] Speaker 12: See I ain't even you know, damn snip it in.
[1:08:17] Speaker 12: I'm sorry, I set it up like I'm sorry, Well
[1:08:19] Speaker 12: hey man, but you know I think about this and obviously,
[1:08:22] Speaker 12: black black men, black.
[1:08:23] Speaker 11: Boys are are in crisis.
[1:08:25] Speaker 12: How do you, how do you think about, particularly now
[1:08:29] Speaker 12: you training young minds there in the academic space, how
[1:08:34] Speaker 12: how do we perhaps tinker with this paradigm, the gender paradigm,
[1:08:39] Speaker 12: so that we maybe read this data about black men
[1:08:43] Speaker 12: and boys not just as males, but as members of
[1:08:46] Speaker 12: the community. Because I think about how we disaggregate data females, males,
[1:08:50] Speaker 12: and it's almost like these these categories aren't the lived
[1:08:54] Speaker 12: experiences of our people. So we say this is a
[1:08:56] Speaker 12: this is a crisis facing black men. Well, yeah, and
[1:08:59] Speaker 12: his mother, his partner, his daughter. You know, how can
[1:09:03] Speaker 12: we maybe approach this in a way so that it
[1:09:06] Speaker 12: doesn't always disaggregate by gender.
[1:09:08] Speaker 24: Brother Well, I think that in some ways, my leader,
[1:09:15] Speaker 24: we are going to have to look at disaggregating this
[1:09:18] Speaker 24: by gender, because if we don't have tangible solutions dedicated
[1:09:22] Speaker 24: specifically to black men and boys, I think that the
[1:09:25] Speaker 24: other individuals who you named, the sisters, the mothers, the
[1:09:29] Speaker 24: daughters thru you to have to deal with the lack
[1:09:34] Speaker 24: of progression any ways, from brothers not getting what they
[1:09:38] Speaker 24: need emotionally, psychologically, and really educationally or financially. So in
[1:09:43] Speaker 24: my personal intimation, what we've seen on the ground is
[1:09:46] Speaker 24: when you have targeted programs like things such as when
[1:09:50] Speaker 24: you have like Saturday Academy specifically dedicated to young men,
[1:09:53] Speaker 24: or when you have specific programs dedicated to young men
[1:09:57] Speaker 24: instilling and providing them.
[1:09:58] Speaker 2: With dedicated supports and ten supports.
[1:10:01] Speaker 24: We've seen the achievements be able to be met in
[1:10:05] Speaker 24: different ways that are very much so different than young
[1:10:08] Speaker 24: men who are being kind of lumped in. If you will,
[1:10:10] Speaker 24: I think that again, I don't know how we get
[1:10:12] Speaker 24: away from or get around the fact that just as
[1:10:15] Speaker 24: all of us need some special attention from time to time,
[1:10:18] Speaker 24: our young men and honestly, I would make I would
[1:10:21] Speaker 24: make the argument that many of our middle age and
[1:10:24] Speaker 24: older men as well, they need dedicated, specific targeted supports
[1:10:29] Speaker 24: and intentional attention to be able to address some of
[1:10:33] Speaker 24: the issues that they have. When you look at again
[1:10:35] Speaker 24: a six point six unemployment rate for black folks and
[1:10:38] Speaker 24: then black men being given one point seven percent higher
[1:10:41] Speaker 24: than that, that means that there is a financial problem
[1:10:43] Speaker 24: that's going to be in that household. When you look
[1:10:45] Speaker 24: at seventeen percent of all of our black students reading
[1:10:48] Speaker 24: at a fourth grade level or reading on level at
[1:10:50] Speaker 24: fourth grade, and black males being at nearly twelve to
[1:10:53] Speaker 24: thirteen percent. There's going to need to be some tangible
[1:10:56] Speaker 24: supports that are needed there.
[1:10:58] Speaker 2: I don't know how we get around that.
[1:10:59] Speaker 24: Even when you look on our college campuses, I know
[1:11:01] Speaker 24: you're Howard, I'm at VSU. The lack of retainment for
[1:11:05] Speaker 24: black males is just astonishing. The lack of progression for
[1:11:09] Speaker 24: black males is absolutely a boring And it's not just
[1:11:12] Speaker 24: an HBCUs it's at PWIS as well. So again, I
[1:11:15] Speaker 24: don't know how we move the needle forward, if you will,
[1:11:19] Speaker 24: without dedicated and tangible resources being dedicated to that population.
[1:11:24] Speaker 4: Thank you Davis.
[1:11:27] Speaker 5: Yes, hello there, Doc you Wes. I first have to
[1:11:30] Speaker 5: start off with saying hell State, all right, VSU and
[1:11:32] Speaker 5: the House L State. Absolutely. I was really first of all,
[1:11:38] Speaker 5: congratulations on the report.
[1:11:40] Speaker 18: I want to sort of point out this thing about
[1:11:42] Speaker 18: disparities kind of follow.
[1:11:43] Speaker 2: Up on that.
[1:11:44] Speaker 5: I was so good to see.
[1:11:46] Speaker 18: Happy to see that in your report you talked about
[1:11:48] Speaker 18: wage gaps.
[1:11:49] Speaker 5: Among black men. We often, you know, don't talk about that.
[1:11:53] Speaker 18: Just last week we had Black Women's Equal Payday, But
[1:11:55] Speaker 18: people don't oftentimes realize that there are wage gaps based
[1:12:00] Speaker 18: on race, and your report found that black men make
[1:12:03] Speaker 18: seventy seven cents to the dollars.
[1:12:05] Speaker 5: Compared to their white male counterparts. Can you talk a
[1:12:07] Speaker 5: little bit more about how white black.
[1:12:11] Speaker 18: Men fare when it comes to wages and what needs
[1:12:14] Speaker 18: to be done to make sure that they get paid more.
[1:12:16] Speaker 5: A lot of the challenges that we're facing.
[1:12:19] Speaker 18: I would argue it's because black men just aren't making
[1:12:21] Speaker 18: the money that they should be making.
[1:12:26] Speaker 24: Yeah, I mean that's a fantastic point. I see it
[1:12:29] Speaker 24: in my work with young men essentially every day. The
[1:12:31] Speaker 24: psychological impact that plays on brothers when they don't feel
[1:12:35] Speaker 24: as if they're able to take care of their families,
[1:12:38] Speaker 24: when they don't feel as if they're being able to
[1:12:39] Speaker 24: make enough money to be able to support their children
[1:12:42] Speaker 24: in the way I wish they want to, maybe be
[1:12:44] Speaker 24: able to take their lady out on the date, maybe
[1:12:46] Speaker 24: be able to get fresh, to make themselves feel a
[1:12:48] Speaker 24: little bit better about what's going on in their lives.
[1:12:51] Speaker 24: It definitely plays a significant toll. And when you look
[1:12:54] Speaker 24: at again, black men making seventy seven cent for every
[1:12:56] Speaker 24: one dollar that white men make, the same way we
[1:12:59] Speaker 24: have black women equal payday, I think we have to
[1:13:02] Speaker 24: be targeted in terms of talking to brothers about the
[1:13:04] Speaker 24: same thing. Where I think it becomes a little bit
[1:13:07] Speaker 24: troubling is that for some of us it feels somewhat
[1:13:10] Speaker 24: taboo to talk about the issues that black men are
[1:13:13] Speaker 24: having from an equal pay perspective, because obviously we know
[1:13:17] Speaker 24: it's not at the same rate as it is with
[1:13:19] Speaker 24: the sisters. And I firmly believe we got to get
[1:13:21] Speaker 24: away from always comparing the two. It's not you versus I,
[1:13:25] Speaker 24: it's not black men versus black women. We both are
[1:13:28] Speaker 24: having very very difficult times and these systems are working
[1:13:32] Speaker 24: exactly how they are designed to. So, for that matter, again,
[1:13:36] Speaker 24: raising awareness about the lack of equal play for black
[1:13:39] Speaker 24: men is important, but then also targeted programs for job
[1:13:43] Speaker 24: employment and advancement.
[1:13:46] Speaker 2: When we look at.
[1:13:46] Speaker 24: Some of these trade programs that need to be targeting brothers,
[1:13:50] Speaker 24: look at educational programs and educational attainment and advancement programs,
[1:13:54] Speaker 24: we need to have targeted programs for our brothers. There's
[1:13:56] Speaker 24: a multitude of things in which we can do in
[1:13:58] Speaker 24: that regard that we believe can help raise wages for brothers,
[1:14:03] Speaker 24: But again, they have to be targeted. We can't pretend
[1:14:06] Speaker 24: as if it's just not happening anymore.
[1:14:09] Speaker 17: Racy, Doctor Bellamy's I good to see you. I remember
[1:14:15] Speaker 17: some months past, maybe in a year back. Good thank you.
[1:14:19] Speaker 17: I got into an exchange with a black man who
[1:14:24] Speaker 17: took offense at discussions about black men unemployment and the
[1:14:31] Speaker 17: kinds of issues that you've raised in this report that
[1:14:34] Speaker 17: are very real that need to be addressed. How do
[1:14:37] Speaker 17: we get to addressing them and moving past the resistance
[1:14:41] Speaker 17: to people who feel like pointing out these disparities, pointing
[1:14:45] Speaker 17: out the state of black men and obviously some people
[1:14:50] Speaker 17: are doing better than others without there being that defensiveness,
[1:14:53] Speaker 17: without this turning into the gender wars, or to all
[1:14:55] Speaker 17: the kind of wars that we fight against each other
[1:14:58] Speaker 17: instead of uniting.
[1:15:02] Speaker 24: Well, I'm not going to pretend as if a lot
[1:15:04] Speaker 24: of brothers aren't sensitive, and I'm not going to pretend
[1:15:07] Speaker 24: as if a lot of brothers don't have battered egos.
[1:15:10] Speaker 24: Maybe I shouldn't say a lot, but far too many.
[1:15:13] Speaker 24: And when we begin to talk about the disparities and
[1:15:15] Speaker 24: the issues that are indeed happening, some brothers feel as
[1:15:18] Speaker 24: if they're being attacked. So I think, brothers, it's incumbent
[1:15:21] Speaker 24: for brothers to have conversations and discussions with brothers to
[1:15:24] Speaker 24: really provide them with the facts and let them know
[1:15:26] Speaker 24: that this is indeed going on, This is happening around us,
[1:15:29] Speaker 24: and it's not necessarily the sister's fault. To your point,
[1:15:32] Speaker 24: we have to be able to avoid the gender wars,
[1:15:35] Speaker 24: and I think that's why it's also incumbent for brothers
[1:15:38] Speaker 24: like Roland, brothers like doctor Carr too ogs in the
[1:15:41] Speaker 24: game to continue talking about this when we have our
[1:15:44] Speaker 24: own conversations, when we have our group chats with brothers,
[1:15:47] Speaker 24: be able to allow brothers to emote, but also educate
[1:15:50] Speaker 24: them on what's truly happening, what the data is truly speaking,
[1:15:54] Speaker 24: and then help find targeted ways for us to get
[1:15:57] Speaker 24: out ofset funk. I think brothers also not just be
[1:16:02] Speaker 24: doing well. That doesn't mean that everybody is getting their equal,
[1:16:05] Speaker 24: equal pay. And because of that, we have an obligation
[1:16:08] Speaker 24: to continue to work towards finding better for all.
[1:16:11] Speaker 2: And that's going to require us having again targeted and.
[1:16:15] Speaker 24: Very much so measured programs and intentionality with how we
[1:16:18] Speaker 24: address these issues.
[1:16:20] Speaker 4: And you know, I just get a perfect example.
[1:16:22] Speaker 3: I can I can tell you countless times countless times.
[1:16:25] Speaker 3: West in the past two or three months when I
[1:16:30] Speaker 3: have been at events or I've been in conversation with
[1:16:34] Speaker 3: people and they bring up the black female job losses
[1:16:40] Speaker 3: under Trump, and I'm sitting.
[1:16:42] Speaker 4: There going, you know, it's a lot of brother loves
[1:16:45] Speaker 4: their job too.
[1:16:47] Speaker 3: To your point, it's not about comparison, it's just stating
[1:16:50] Speaker 3: the actual fact.
[1:16:52] Speaker 4: And in fact, I.
[1:16:53] Speaker 3: Sent a group group a group I'm in, I said, Hey,
[1:16:57] Speaker 3: what question would y'all like to ask to Elsaim And
[1:17:01] Speaker 3: literally a sister said, ask him about the million black
[1:17:05] Speaker 3: women who've lost their jobs. Now and ask the question
[1:17:07] Speaker 3: I asked about black men and black women. But we
[1:17:10] Speaker 3: need to understand that. Listen, you can't talk about this
[1:17:14] Speaker 3: economy and only speak of black women who've lost their
[1:17:18] Speaker 3: jobs when the black unemployment for black women and black
[1:17:22] Speaker 3: men both have gone up.
[1:17:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, So Roland to that point.
[1:17:28] Speaker 24: Within this study, it's not one of the items that
[1:17:30] Speaker 24: we have on the social graphics, but when you read
[1:17:32] Speaker 24: the study, you will see nearly six hundred and fifty
[1:17:34] Speaker 24: thousand black men have lost their jobs over the last year.
[1:17:37] Speaker 24: I mean, that's an astronomical number. Obviously it's not a million,
[1:17:40] Speaker 24: but that doesn't mean that that number isn't to be
[1:17:44] Speaker 24: discussed and taken very seriously. I mean, it is a
[1:17:46] Speaker 24: crisis on both ends, and we have to be very
[1:17:49] Speaker 24: intentional to not allow the bots and the fake social
[1:17:55] Speaker 24: media profiles and the misinformation to make us fight against
[1:17:59] Speaker 24: each other. It's a crisis on all fronts, and it's
[1:18:02] Speaker 24: one in which we have to address deliberately.
[1:18:04] Speaker 3: Absolutely, folks. So if you go to first of all,
[1:18:10] Speaker 3: they have a cure code that y'all have. Y'all have it,
[1:18:12] Speaker 3: y'all have what they can actually access the report. If
[1:18:15] Speaker 3: you don't, I will short on the screen. But while
[1:18:18] Speaker 3: I'm doing that, do this here to west to your point.
[1:18:22] Speaker 3: Why this matters. This is why we're launching next month
[1:18:25] Speaker 3: this new show with Jeff Johnson.
[1:18:27] Speaker 4: Here's a promo.
[1:18:28] Speaker 19: Let me ask you a question, Yes, sir, why do
[1:18:30] Speaker 19: so many people seem to think they know black men
[1:18:32] Speaker 19: so well but they think we want what they think
[1:18:35] Speaker 19: we need. Hell, they even tried to tell us why
[1:18:37] Speaker 19: and how we vote out and never had a conversation
[1:18:39] Speaker 19: with us, never asked us how we felt.
[1:18:41] Speaker 20: Brings us joy? What makes us angry? What makes us scared?
[1:18:44] Speaker 2: How do we live?
[1:18:45] Speaker 20: That's what this show is about. No translation, because we
[1:18:49] Speaker 20: don't need anybody speaking for us.
[1:18:51] Speaker 2: We can speak for ourselves.
[1:18:52] Speaker 19: This will be a show where we bring brothers on
[1:18:53] Speaker 19: that you don't see on every other talk show. Nope,
[1:18:56] Speaker 19: brothers that are doing work in local communities with black
[1:18:59] Speaker 19: men for black communities. We're going to hear each other
[1:19:02] Speaker 19: and try to understand, so branhaps we can move forward together.
[1:19:06] Speaker 20: No translation, because we don't need anybody.
[1:19:08] Speaker 2: Speaking for us.
[1:19:09] Speaker 19: No, what we need is each other, no translation, right
[1:19:12] Speaker 19: here on the Black Star Network.
[1:19:13] Speaker 3: Check it out, and Wes, this is why conversation like
[1:19:21] Speaker 3: that matters.
[1:19:24] Speaker 24: I can't wait. I can't wait. Salute to you, Roland
[1:19:27] Speaker 24: much respect you all right for alpha?
[1:19:29] Speaker 4: Huh that again?
[1:19:33] Speaker 2: I ain't saying it again. I said you all right
[1:19:36] Speaker 2: for an alpha, y'all.
[1:19:40] Speaker 4: It's the economics.
[1:19:41] Speaker 3: Stay the Black Men and Boys of twenty twenty six
[1:19:43] Speaker 3: Annual Report.
[1:19:43] Speaker 4: Go to my iPad.
[1:19:45] Speaker 3: You see it right here, and if you're watching, come on,
[1:19:48] Speaker 3: go to my iPad. Thank you, So let's go go
[1:19:50] Speaker 3: to thank you very much. This is the QR code
[1:19:53] Speaker 3: right here to download the report. So this is way
[1:19:56] Speaker 3: you can download the report right here, Wes, we appreciate it.
[1:19:59] Speaker 9: Doc.
[1:19:59] Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, yes, sir, we'll do man.
[1:20:03] Speaker 4: Thanks you, brother, Thank you very much.
[1:20:04] Speaker 3: All right, folks, gotta go to a quick break and
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[1:20:46] Speaker 3: My mom had questions about her medicare, so she called
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[1:20:52] Speaker 3: after saying it's a great benefit. It was easy, a
[1:20:55] Speaker 3: real person to walk her through the whole thing, and
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[1:21:07] Speaker 3: so glad she called. And there's Maryland, ninety years old in Florida,
[1:21:10] Speaker 3: living on Social Security. Her premium climbed every single year
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[1:21:17] Speaker 3: could barely afford anymore.
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[1:21:21] Speaker 3: They found her the same top tier coverage for hundreds
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[1:21:28] Speaker 3: her corner. I hear stories like that again and again
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[1:22:11] Speaker 2: Man and this is David Mann, and you're watching roland.
[1:22:13] Speaker 9: Mark un.
[1:22:29] Speaker 3: Democrats desperately want to retake the Senate from Republicans, but
[1:22:33] Speaker 3: one of the places they must hold on to is
[1:22:36] Speaker 3: the US Senate seat in Michigan. There's a Democrat that's
[1:22:39] Speaker 3: retiring there, uh, Debbie Stabinaw. And so voters go to
[1:22:43] Speaker 3: the polls on Tuesday, UH to elect the Democratic representative
[1:22:47] Speaker 3: for that state, plus other races as well well. In
[1:22:50] Speaker 3: the US Senate race, UH, doctor abdulah L said is.
[1:22:53] Speaker 4: Running against congress Woman Haley Stevens.
[1:22:56] Speaker 3: They're vitingful for that Democratic nomination to be on the
[1:22:58] Speaker 3: ballot in November. Earlier today, I talked to Elsa heat
[1:23:02] Speaker 3: about the campaign and why he thinks he's the best
[1:23:05] Speaker 3: person to represent Michigan in the United States Senate.
[1:23:10] Speaker 4: Atri Il say, a huge, huge.
[1:23:12] Speaker 3: Primary coming up, and black voters are going to be critical.
[1:23:17] Speaker 3: What is your specific message to African Americas in Michigan
[1:23:20] Speaker 3: as to why you should be their choice to represent
[1:23:23] Speaker 3: them in the United States Senate.
[1:23:26] Speaker 25: Well, thank you so much for having me, And I'll
[1:23:28] Speaker 25: say it's because I've been showing up for the community
[1:23:31] Speaker 25: since i started in public service. I rebuilt Detroit's health
[1:23:34] Speaker 25: department after it had been shut down when the city
[1:23:36] Speaker 25: went through bankruptcy and state takeover. In that work, we
[1:23:38] Speaker 25: did things like guarantee every child of free pair of
[1:23:40] Speaker 25: glasses delivered at school within two weeks of a vision test,
[1:23:43] Speaker 25: took on some of the biggest corporate polluters in our state,
[1:23:45] Speaker 25: had every school, daycare and headstart tested for leading the
[1:23:48] Speaker 25: water after the Flint water crisis. We've shown up as
[1:23:51] Speaker 25: Wayne County Health Director to do things like put air
[1:23:54] Speaker 25: quality monitors all over Wayne County, provide free health insurance
[1:23:57] Speaker 25: for new small businesses, and eliminate upwards of seven hundred
[1:24:01] Speaker 25: million dollars of medical debt over the next several years.
[1:24:04] Speaker 25: I'm really proud of the work that I've been able
[1:24:05] Speaker 25: to do. But I'll also tell you this, I understand
[1:24:08] Speaker 25: what it means to show up and to work alongside
[1:24:12] Speaker 25: and behind key leaders in the community. Endorsed by folks
[1:24:16] Speaker 25: like like State Representative Cynthia Neely and Mayor Sheldon Neely
[1:24:20] Speaker 25: and Flint Wayne County Executive Warren Evans, Commissioner Martha Scott,
[1:24:24] Speaker 25: the Council of Baptist Pastors of Detroit in Vicinity, and
[1:24:28] Speaker 25: the Black Slate. And so I hope that I can
[1:24:30] Speaker 25: earn folks to support because I've been showing up with
[1:24:33] Speaker 25: and for the community for a long time.
[1:24:36] Speaker 19: Now.
[1:24:37] Speaker 3: I am not one to spend lots of time on Poland.
[1:24:41] Speaker 4: Yet a new.
[1:24:42] Speaker 3: Pole dropped showing you with a fifteen point lead against
[1:24:46] Speaker 3: Hailey Stevens. Yet other Poland shows that if it was
[1:24:51] Speaker 3: a head to head with you and Mike Rodgers, the
[1:24:54] Speaker 3: Republican would beat you. What do you say to those
[1:25:00] Speaker 3: grads who say that if you are the nominee, then
[1:25:05] Speaker 3: that will guarantee that Democrats do not hold that Senate
[1:25:09] Speaker 3: seat in Michigan, that will be aiding Donald Trump.
[1:25:13] Speaker 9: Well, roll and I'll tell you a couple things.
[1:25:14] Speaker 25: First, the polling averages show that I'm the best opponent
[1:25:17] Speaker 25: against Mike Rodgers to beat him in the fall. But
[1:25:20] Speaker 25: then you don't have to take my word for it
[1:25:22] Speaker 25: or the polling word for it. Folks saw the debates,
[1:25:25] Speaker 25: Ask yourself who you want standing against him?
[1:25:28] Speaker 9: On the debate stage in the.
[1:25:29] Speaker 25: Fall, and then bigger picture, Let's step back and ask
[1:25:32] Speaker 25: why we lost in twenty twenty four. Too often we
[1:25:35] Speaker 25: lost young people, we lost Arab and Muslim voters. I'm
[1:25:38] Speaker 25: an Egyptian American. I'm a proud son of Africa, and
[1:25:41] Speaker 25: I'm also proudly Arab and Muslim American. I think we
[1:25:43] Speaker 25: have an opportunity to bring communities together, to bring back
[1:25:46] Speaker 25: the voters that too often we lost, to win the
[1:25:49] Speaker 25: future for our state, take back our state from Donald Trump.
[1:25:52] Speaker 9: But then beyond that right think about home.
[1:25:54] Speaker 25: On a run against Mike Rodgers is a guy who's
[1:25:56] Speaker 25: never seen a corporate check he doesn't like. I'm the
[1:25:58] Speaker 25: only candidate who's never taken a dime from a corporate
[1:26:00] Speaker 25: to run a campaign. He helped to architect the opioid epidemic.
[1:26:02] Speaker 25: I'm the guy who showed up to put narcanon venting
[1:26:04] Speaker 25: machines for free, a doctor who eliminated medical debt against
[1:26:08] Speaker 25: a guy who took money from the pharmaceutical industry to
[1:26:11] Speaker 25: vote to raise prescription drug prices and then moved to
[1:26:13] Speaker 25: Florida made fourteen million bucks that he can't really account for.
[1:26:16] Speaker 25: So head to head I am the best candidate to
[1:26:19] Speaker 25: take him on. And then on top of that, I'm
[1:26:21] Speaker 25: up against sixty million dollars of outside spending. A lot
[1:26:24] Speaker 25: of that spending is also spending for Mike Rogers. Whether
[1:26:27] Speaker 25: it's DTE or Blue Cross, or it's big Pharma or
[1:26:30] Speaker 25: big Tech or APAK. They don't care which of my
[1:26:32] Speaker 25: opponents wins, whether it's the Democrat or the Republican, because
[1:26:34] Speaker 25: they're funding them both. And when they win, we all
[1:26:37] Speaker 25: lose because we have to pay the difference. So if
[1:26:39] Speaker 25: an election is an exercise in contrasts, then I offer
[1:26:42] Speaker 25: the best contrast. He is a guy who architected the
[1:26:45] Speaker 25: opioid epidemic. I'm a guy who responded to try and
[1:26:47] Speaker 25: save lives. He's a guy who takes corporate money to
[1:26:49] Speaker 25: do the worst things. I'm the guy who's reject corporate
[1:26:52] Speaker 25: money to make sure that we can show up and
[1:26:54] Speaker 25: do the best things. He's a guy who is a
[1:26:56] Speaker 25: bootlecker for Donald Trump. I'm a guy who's been a
[1:26:58] Speaker 25: post Donald Trump for the long so I feel really
[1:27:01] Speaker 25: good about being able to beat him.
[1:27:03] Speaker 3: I'm sitting here looking at a piece by Jonathan Chait
[1:27:06] Speaker 3: in the Atlantic, and this was the headline Abdul Elsei
[1:27:11] Speaker 3: fuses together two toxic ideologies. He said, the Michigan canon
[1:27:15] Speaker 3: for US Senate has a profound weakness for conspiracy, conspiracism.
[1:27:21] Speaker 4: Or conspirator racism. However, wonder frame it and was interesting
[1:27:24] Speaker 4: in reading this.
[1:27:26] Speaker 3: He's highly critical of your position when it comes to Israel.
[1:27:30] Speaker 3: Yet when you look at polling data, it shows that
[1:27:34] Speaker 3: how Americans feel about Israel has completely changed, especially among Democrats.
[1:27:38] Speaker 3: You got Senner John Fetterman who says that all of
[1:27:40] Speaker 3: the Democratic Party abandons Israel.
[1:27:43] Speaker 4: He's leaving the Democratic Party.
[1:27:47] Speaker 3: And I contrast that with how voters responded to Vice
[1:27:51] Speaker 3: President Kamala Harris.
[1:27:52] Speaker 4: What do you see.
[1:27:56] Speaker 3: As the reason why this shift has happened and how
[1:27:59] Speaker 3: do you that's going to help you turn out voters
[1:28:03] Speaker 3: on Tuesday?
[1:28:04] Speaker 9: Yeah, well, rolland I'll tell you this is not a conspiracy.
[1:28:06] Speaker 25: That they've spent thirty million dollars to beat me, thirty
[1:28:09] Speaker 25: million dollars, single biggest spender in this race. They've set
[1:28:11] Speaker 25: a record on the amount of money that they've spent
[1:28:13] Speaker 25: against anyone against me. That's above and beyond all of
[1:28:16] Speaker 25: the other money. Sixty million dollars. That's also a record
[1:28:18] Speaker 25: in the total amount of spent money spent against a
[1:28:21] Speaker 25: single Democratic.
[1:28:22] Speaker 9: Senate primary candidate. Now, you know the thing.
[1:28:24] Speaker 25: About money is that it might be cynical, but is
[1:28:26] Speaker 25: not dumb. They know what they're fighting against, and they're
[1:28:29] Speaker 25: fighting against me because I want to keep your tax
[1:28:31] Speaker 25: dollars here. My opponent just voted two weeks ago to
[1:28:34] Speaker 25: send three point three billion dollars of your tax dollars
[1:28:36] Speaker 25: to a foreign government to buy bombs and tanks that
[1:28:39] Speaker 25: drop on other people and their kids. I just want
[1:28:42] Speaker 25: to ask you, take a look at your kids school
[1:28:44] Speaker 25: and ask yourself whether or not that money should be
[1:28:46] Speaker 25: spent dropping bombs on other kids schools or investing in yours.
[1:28:51] Speaker 25: And that's not because I hate anyone. That's because I
[1:28:53] Speaker 25: love everyone. And I don't believe whatever you think about
[1:28:56] Speaker 25: the state of Israel. I don't believe they have a
[1:28:57] Speaker 25: right to our tax dollars. I believe we have a
[1:28:59] Speaker 25: right to our tax dollars, and that shouldn't be a
[1:29:01] Speaker 25: crazy thing to say. And I believe in equal rights
[1:29:03] Speaker 25: to peace, dignity, and self determination for all people. And
[1:29:05] Speaker 25: right now you've got a government that's aiding arming and
[1:29:08] Speaker 25: a bedding a foreign government doing the worst things in
[1:29:11] Speaker 25: opposition to the possibility of a two state solution, while
[1:29:14] Speaker 25: saying we want a two state solution.
[1:29:16] Speaker 9: That to me is just hypocrisy.
[1:29:17] Speaker 25: So I'm just saying that I want to make sure
[1:29:20] Speaker 25: that kids have the things that they need and deserve.
[1:29:22] Speaker 9: Here.
[1:29:22] Speaker 25: They need to be able to walk competent sidewalks and
[1:29:25] Speaker 25: go to good schools and get the health care that
[1:29:27] Speaker 25: they need when they need it. I don't know what's
[1:29:29] Speaker 25: radical about that, but for so long we've been doing
[1:29:31] Speaker 25: the radical thing because of the power of large special
[1:29:34] Speaker 25: interest like Apak, of sending our tax dollars to a
[1:29:37] Speaker 25: foreign government to do terrible things while kids in communities
[1:29:40] Speaker 25: like ours go without good things.
[1:29:44] Speaker 4: I'm going to read to you another headline.
[1:29:46] Speaker 3: This is from CNN by Eric Bradner David Wright. Black
[1:29:52] Speaker 3: voters may decide the nation's biggest Democratic primary. Many are
[1:29:55] Speaker 3: clearly against the more progressive option there being like Democrats
[1:30:00] Speaker 3: Congress and Jim Clyburn and others who have endorsed your opponent,
[1:30:04] Speaker 3: who have raised concerns about the lack of African Americans.
[1:30:08] Speaker 4: They say at your rallies and e bits.
[1:30:11] Speaker 3: Like this, do you buy into this notion if there's
[1:30:16] Speaker 3: a race schism here, and when you talk about your
[1:30:22] Speaker 3: outreach to black voters, what are you specifically saying to them,
[1:30:28] Speaker 3: And where do you think we look at this reporting
[1:30:32] Speaker 3: where this narrative is coming from you that black voters
[1:30:36] Speaker 3: are absolutely scared of you as their city can.
[1:30:40] Speaker 25: Well roland sixty million dollars to do that when you
[1:30:45] Speaker 25: drop sixty million dollars dods, I just want you to
[1:30:47] Speaker 25: feel like what it feels here in Michigan. If you
[1:30:50] Speaker 25: turn on the television and there's a commercial break, you're
[1:30:53] Speaker 25: going to get two odds, one against me and one
[1:30:55] Speaker 25: form my opponent, all paid for by APAK or some
[1:30:58] Speaker 25: other corporate pack. Those ads are going to flash a
[1:31:03] Speaker 25: headline from a speech or a moment from a speech
[1:31:05] Speaker 25: given in twenty eighteen by President Obama to make you
[1:31:09] Speaker 25: think that President Obama has endorsed my opponent, which has
[1:31:11] Speaker 25: not happened, or they're going to take the fact that
[1:31:14] Speaker 25: I rode in OpEd in twenty fifteen about the Let's
[1:31:17] Speaker 25: Move campaign, which was brought to us by the First
[1:31:19] Speaker 25: Lady Michelle Obama, saying that it was a good program,
[1:31:22] Speaker 25: but there are some things about it that could have
[1:31:24] Speaker 25: been more effective to say that somehow I'm disrespectful. But
[1:31:27] Speaker 25: those are the kinds of lies that get told when
[1:31:29] Speaker 25: you're willing to take money from the worst actors in
[1:31:32] Speaker 25: our politics and spend them to the tune of sixty
[1:31:35] Speaker 25: million dollars. So it's really hard to understand what folks
[1:31:38] Speaker 25: outside of that spending would be thinking about. But I
[1:31:41] Speaker 25: know that they're working really hard to manufacture that kind
[1:31:44] Speaker 25: of a narrative, and they're using a lot of money
[1:31:47] Speaker 25: to try and do it. And yet and still, I'll
[1:31:49] Speaker 25: go back to where you started, which is that we're
[1:31:51] Speaker 25: up in this race by fifteen points, and so you're
[1:31:53] Speaker 25: seeing more and more, I hate to say it, just
[1:31:57] Speaker 25: flailing on the part of APAC and all those folks
[1:32:00] Speaker 25: who've spent all that money trying to do whatever they
[1:32:02] Speaker 25: can to rescue the money that they've already spent to
[1:32:04] Speaker 25: try and pick their next US Senator, rather than allowing
[1:32:07] Speaker 25: the people of Michigan to pick our next US Senator.
[1:32:10] Speaker 25: My outreach among the black community has been based on
[1:32:12] Speaker 25: the ten years of service that I've been doing in
[1:32:15] Speaker 25: and among black communities in our state, and it's based
[1:32:18] Speaker 25: in the fact that some of the most trusted black
[1:32:20] Speaker 25: leaders in Michigan have endorsed me in this race, whether
[1:32:23] Speaker 25: it's the Wayne County Executive Warren Evans, with whom I
[1:32:26] Speaker 25: worked to be able to deliver a lot of the
[1:32:27] Speaker 25: good things that we've done in Wayne County, or its
[1:32:29] Speaker 25: commission or Marta gi Scott, who's been an elected official
[1:32:32] Speaker 25: since nineteen seventy two in Highland Park ham Trammick in Detroit.
[1:32:37] Speaker 25: Or it's the Neely's both state represented Neely and Mayor
[1:32:40] Speaker 25: Neely out of Flint, or its key leaders in communities
[1:32:43] Speaker 25: like Saginaw and Muskegan and Benton Harbor.
[1:32:45] Speaker 9: So those folks trust my work.
[1:32:47] Speaker 25: But again, it's very difficult to communicate past sixteen million
[1:32:50] Speaker 25: dollars of lives being spread about around you on TV
[1:32:53] Speaker 25: because you want to keep your tax dollars to do
[1:32:55] Speaker 25: good things for people here rather than send it to
[1:32:57] Speaker 25: a foreign government.
[1:32:58] Speaker 9: And it's the cynicism of our politics.
[1:32:59] Speaker 25: Unfortunately that too often gets in the way and shapes
[1:33:02] Speaker 25: too much of our public opinion.
[1:33:03] Speaker 9: So we're going to keep pushing.
[1:33:04] Speaker 25: All of my work has been about racial equity in health,
[1:33:07] Speaker 25: and I'm going to continue to fight for that when
[1:33:09] Speaker 25: I'm in the US Senate, and so I'm going to
[1:33:11] Speaker 25: keep making my case. I'm grateful for the support we
[1:33:13] Speaker 25: have earned in the black community, and there's always more
[1:33:16] Speaker 25: work to do to keep talking about what you can
[1:33:18] Speaker 25: do to address the challenges that too often fall hardest
[1:33:22] Speaker 25: on black folks in our state.
[1:33:23] Speaker 3: I think about Zorrong Mamdane's race the primary. He was
[1:33:27] Speaker 3: facing several African American candidates, and so there was criticism
[1:33:32] Speaker 3: that he was not really reaching out to Black voters.
[1:33:38] Speaker 3: And what ended up happening was he really he had
[1:33:41] Speaker 3: young but progressive, but young folks who were driving that
[1:33:44] Speaker 3: older black voters for the candidates. He wins the primary,
[1:33:50] Speaker 3: and then he brings that coalition together then goes on
[1:33:55] Speaker 3: to victory. When you look at Michigan when you've had
[1:34:01] Speaker 3: very progressive candidates versus a more moderate candidate, typically black voters,
[1:34:08] Speaker 3: and we all know that voters sixty five and older
[1:34:10] Speaker 3: but more than higher than anybody else, will typically choose
[1:34:13] Speaker 3: that moderate candidate. Do you sort of see your campaign
[1:34:18] Speaker 3: similar to the Mamdani primary in terms of how you
[1:34:23] Speaker 3: have to win the primary and then pivot to put
[1:34:27] Speaker 3: together a broader coalition, because at the end of the day,
[1:34:31] Speaker 3: you got to win you can get and so you
[1:34:35] Speaker 3: can sit here and appeal to this group of that group,
[1:34:37] Speaker 3: but you got to put together enough people to actually
[1:34:40] Speaker 3: win the primary and then obviously shift to a different strategy,
[1:34:44] Speaker 3: a broader strategy in turn of to win the general election.
[1:34:48] Speaker 14: Or all in.
[1:34:48] Speaker 25: Look, I've got three simple goals. I want to get
[1:34:50] Speaker 25: money out of politics, for money in your pocket, past
[1:34:52] Speaker 25: medicare for all. All three of those things would benefit
[1:34:54] Speaker 25: all Michigan ors, but in particular communities that have too
[1:34:57] Speaker 25: often because of marginalization, because of racism, been left behind
[1:35:03] Speaker 25: when it comes to economic development, when it comes to
[1:35:05] Speaker 25: the quality of schools and investment in schools, when it
[1:35:07] Speaker 25: comes to healthcare, and those are issues that I've been
[1:35:10] Speaker 25: working on for the better part of ten years. In
[1:35:12] Speaker 25: some respects, my challenge is actually a lot easier than
[1:35:16] Speaker 25: his was.
[1:35:16] Speaker 9: Michigan is not New York, and I'm not him.
[1:35:20] Speaker 25: I've been doing this work in and among the black
[1:35:23] Speaker 25: community for a decade. You know, I can point to
[1:35:26] Speaker 25: the work that I've done. I can point to the
[1:35:27] Speaker 25: relationships I've had, and never mind what sixty million dollars
[1:35:31] Speaker 25: in lies will say about me, I know that I
[1:35:34] Speaker 25: can point to the relationships that I've built, and more importantly,
[1:35:38] Speaker 25: folks on the other side of those relationships can point
[1:35:39] Speaker 25: to me and say, I've been seeing them doing this
[1:35:41] Speaker 25: work for a very, very long time. When he tells
[1:35:43] Speaker 25: you he's committed to the well being of our communities,
[1:35:46] Speaker 25: here's what that shows up as it shows up on
[1:35:48] Speaker 25: glasses on kids' faces. It shows up as polluters who
[1:35:51] Speaker 25: have been stood up to who aren't polluting in the
[1:35:53] Speaker 25: same way that they used to. It shows up in
[1:35:55] Speaker 25: schools that are not leaded. It shows up in letters
[1:35:58] Speaker 25: that are medical debt elimination lets. So I'm going to
[1:36:01] Speaker 25: keep talking about my work, keep building this movement and
[1:36:04] Speaker 25: healing the divides that unfortunately people who are telling lies
[1:36:07] Speaker 25: have tried to create. But there's never a world where
[1:36:09] Speaker 25: you can ever stop reaching out to communities.
[1:36:12] Speaker 9: And you know, I want folks to know that I.
[1:36:14] Speaker 25: Am committed to being able to build this movement, whatever
[1:36:17] Speaker 25: the lies they've said about me, whatever the money they've
[1:36:19] Speaker 25: spent against me, because I'm deeply committed to the well
[1:36:21] Speaker 25: being of all people in Michigan, and in particular recognize
[1:36:25] Speaker 25: a deep responsibility to uplift and empower black communities who've
[1:36:30] Speaker 25: too often been left behind. And as someone who served
[1:36:32] Speaker 25: the city of Detroit, who served Dwayne County, that commitments
[1:36:35] Speaker 25: written in the work that I've done, and so it's
[1:36:36] Speaker 25: a much easier story to tell.
[1:36:39] Speaker 3: So much talk about democratic socials of America, and I
[1:36:43] Speaker 3: mean natural media has been going crazy with it. Do
[1:36:47] Speaker 3: you identify with DSA or do you simply say you're
[1:36:51] Speaker 3: a Democrat and there are no other labels?
[1:36:54] Speaker 9: Exactly. I'm a scientist, not a socialist.
[1:36:56] Speaker 25: And you know, I did a PhD in public health,
[1:36:59] Speaker 25: went to medical school, and maybe it's just my training,
[1:37:01] Speaker 25: but like I just want to see evidence.
[1:37:03] Speaker 9: So I don't do ideology.
[1:37:04] Speaker 25: I'm not committed to the writings of somebody who died
[1:37:07] Speaker 25: one hundred years ago. I'm committed to solutions for people
[1:37:09] Speaker 25: who are alive right now, and that's been my work
[1:37:11] Speaker 25: all along. So while I fight for Medicare for all,
[1:37:14] Speaker 25: it's not out of an ideology. It's because I think
[1:37:16] Speaker 25: it's a really good solution to fixing our healthcare challenges
[1:37:19] Speaker 25: in this country. Why, as somebody who believes in capitalism
[1:37:23] Speaker 25: is a great way to build and scale small businesses,
[1:37:25] Speaker 25: I also understand that the biggest risk of capitalism isn't
[1:37:28] Speaker 25: government regulation. It was always monopoly and roland. We all
[1:37:31] Speaker 25: know that no matter what market we're a part of.
[1:37:33] Speaker 25: Like you got to go and buy a ticket to
[1:37:35] Speaker 25: go see your gramma, or you just want to call gramma,
[1:37:37] Speaker 25: you only got a couple of options, right, Chances are
[1:37:40] Speaker 25: you've got a cell phone in your pocket made by
[1:37:41] Speaker 25: one of two companies.
[1:37:43] Speaker 9: Right, it's got one of three carriers.
[1:37:44] Speaker 25: If you want to go buy a flight, there's like
[1:37:46] Speaker 25: one of three options, three airlines, and they all fly
[1:37:48] Speaker 25: one of two planes. All Right, you decide, you know what,
[1:37:50] Speaker 25: I'm not going to call gramma or see gramma. I'm
[1:37:52] Speaker 25: gonna just go and go shopping and try and make
[1:37:55] Speaker 25: myself a decent meal. You got one of two options
[1:37:57] Speaker 25: or three options. Chances are, if you're living in urban community,
[1:38:00] Speaker 25: got no options all as a function of the fact
[1:38:03] Speaker 25: that there are too many big monopolies when it comes
[1:38:06] Speaker 25: to our ability to actually shop or buy the things
[1:38:10] Speaker 25: that we need in our society. So I just believe
[1:38:12] Speaker 25: that we need capitalism that actually works, which means that
[1:38:15] Speaker 25: you need some government to step in and say hey, no, no, no,
[1:38:17] Speaker 25: you can't just buy up all the other options and
[1:38:19] Speaker 25: squeeze people when it comes to their earnings at work,
[1:38:22] Speaker 25: and then squeeze people again when it comes to how
[1:38:24] Speaker 25: much they got to pay for your goods.
[1:38:25] Speaker 9: So I don't identify as a socialist.
[1:38:27] Speaker 25: I'm a scientist and I just want society to be
[1:38:30] Speaker 25: working better for people.
[1:38:32] Speaker 3: I have been laying for the laying out since Trump's
[1:38:35] Speaker 3: inauguration that there is a clear, undeniable GOP war on
[1:38:42] Speaker 3: Black America. We have seen the attacks in public policy,
[1:38:45] Speaker 3: We've seen the attacks budget. We see what the grossly
[1:38:49] Speaker 3: unqualified Pete HEGSEP is doing to deny black people promotions
[1:38:53] Speaker 3: in the United States military. We've seen more than one
[1:38:57] Speaker 3: million black women and men lose their jobs, unemployment skyrocketed.
[1:39:03] Speaker 3: What will you do to confront the racist AJITDA against
[1:39:07] Speaker 3: black people but specifically fighting for the economic opportunities for black.
[1:39:13] Speaker 4: Folks in Michigan.
[1:39:14] Speaker 25: So you know, the other one you didn't mention was
[1:39:16] Speaker 25: just the attack on voting rights by the Supreme Court,
[1:39:19] Speaker 25: by Supreme Court justices he helped to install. So I
[1:39:23] Speaker 25: know that it all starts with the power to vote
[1:39:26] Speaker 25: and the freedom to vote and representation in Congress. And
[1:39:31] Speaker 25: so I think we need to pass the John Lewis
[1:39:33] Speaker 25: Voting Rights Act. And then when it comes to economic development,
[1:39:36] Speaker 25: too often the way that we think about economies is
[1:39:39] Speaker 25: by passing a gigantic tax subsidy for a large corporation
[1:39:44] Speaker 25: that promises to bring two hundred or five hundred jobs.
[1:39:47] Speaker 25: Those jobs never really materialize and if they do, their
[1:39:50] Speaker 25: working extra hard to figure out how to offshore automate
[1:39:52] Speaker 25: them immediately. So instead of that vision for economic development,
[1:39:56] Speaker 25: what I'm more focused on is how do you empower
[1:39:58] Speaker 25: the incredible human capital that sits in our communities by
[1:40:02] Speaker 25: offering access to revolving capital loan funds so folks can
[1:40:06] Speaker 25: take out a lower zero interest loan to build a
[1:40:09] Speaker 25: great business that they can employ people in the local community.
[1:40:13] Speaker 25: They can keep that money flowing in the community as
[1:40:15] Speaker 25: consumers and build small business oriented economies. And then when
[1:40:20] Speaker 25: it comes to fighting for working people, too often we
[1:40:22] Speaker 25: allow those corporations to punish workers, lay them off at will,
[1:40:26] Speaker 25: allow them to spend their money to artificially inflate their
[1:40:30] Speaker 25: stock prices through stock buybacks, rather than investing in their
[1:40:33] Speaker 25: workers and their wages and benefits.
[1:40:36] Speaker 9: So I stand with unions.
[1:40:37] Speaker 25: I'm proud to be endorsed by the American Federation of Teachers,
[1:40:39] Speaker 25: and the National Nurses United, and of course the great
[1:40:42] Speaker 25: UAW here in Michigan who've been fighting for economic justice
[1:40:45] Speaker 25: for a very long time. And so when it comes
[1:40:47] Speaker 25: to standing with unions and working people, we need to
[1:40:50] Speaker 25: pass the Proact to normalize union organizing in every sector
[1:40:53] Speaker 25: of American life. So no matter who you are, whether
[1:40:56] Speaker 25: you're an entrepreneur or you're a worker, that you are
[1:40:59] Speaker 25: going to know that the government has invested in capacity.
[1:41:02] Speaker 25: And then finally, we've got to remember that too often
[1:41:05] Speaker 25: when it comes to the communities that are denied access
[1:41:07] Speaker 25: to resources or even union representation, too often it's the
[1:41:11] Speaker 25: black community. So we've got to be thinking about how
[1:41:14] Speaker 25: is it that we're invested in the means of a
[1:41:16] Speaker 25: good economy, like good schools.
[1:41:18] Speaker 9: Detroit Public Schools.
[1:41:19] Speaker 25: Alone, they just had seven hundred million dollars investment into
[1:41:23] Speaker 25: the quality of the school buildings, but that still leaves
[1:41:26] Speaker 25: them what one point seven million dollars behind. So instead
[1:41:29] Speaker 25: of sending our money abroad to do the worst things,
[1:41:32] Speaker 25: I want to be invested in good schools and infrastructure
[1:41:34] Speaker 25: that are the baseline of.
[1:41:36] Speaker 9: A good economy. Because if you've got a great education.
[1:41:38] Speaker 25: You get to go to an amazing school, the opportunities
[1:41:40] Speaker 25: you have coming out of that are so much vaster,
[1:41:42] Speaker 25: and too often we allow the redlining of the past
[1:41:45] Speaker 25: to pattern good access to good schools in the future,
[1:41:48] Speaker 25: because we're still funding our education via property tax, which
[1:41:51] Speaker 25: is a function of property value, which of course is
[1:41:53] Speaker 25: a function of historical racism. So I think we've got
[1:41:56] Speaker 25: to rethink a lot of the ways that we invest.
[1:41:57] Speaker 25: We've got to invest more, and we've got to make
[1:41:59] Speaker 25: sure we're unlocking the amazing talents in the community, rather
[1:42:03] Speaker 25: than giving big tax cuts to big corporations expecting that
[1:42:06] Speaker 25: they're going to save us.
[1:42:09] Speaker 3: You've had so many voters, We've said, so many voters
[1:42:11] Speaker 3: have checked out of the process when you look at
[1:42:14] Speaker 3: the data. I've had numerous posters on talking about young
[1:42:20] Speaker 3: black voters, young voters period, voters between eighteen and thirty five,
[1:42:25] Speaker 3: really eighteen and forty four, who have checked out, who
[1:42:28] Speaker 3: have turned off by the process. How do you reach them?
[1:42:33] Speaker 3: What do you say to them? Those individuals who believe
[1:42:37] Speaker 3: that government cannot impact their lives, even though there's not
[1:42:43] Speaker 3: a single person in this country who is not impacted
[1:42:47] Speaker 3: by government, whether it is federal, State, County City school Board.
[1:42:53] Speaker 25: Yeah, first, I understand, I get it. I understand why
[1:42:56] Speaker 25: you're frustrated. I get it why for you it feels
[1:42:59] Speaker 25: like you're only ever trying to stop things from getting
[1:43:03] Speaker 25: heinously worse. And rather than just speak to young people,
[1:43:08] Speaker 25: we center young people in this campaign, both in the
[1:43:10] Speaker 25: movement that we're building, the ten thousand people knocking nearly
[1:43:13] Speaker 25: ten thousand doors a day, but also in the policy
[1:43:16] Speaker 25: that we are so serious about passing. You know, the
[1:43:19] Speaker 25: hard part about it is whether it's a Democrat or Republican.
[1:43:21] Speaker 25: Too often they're bought off by the same companies Dte
[1:43:24] Speaker 25: our local utility that's raised our rates faster than in
[1:43:26] Speaker 25: forty six other states of the last twenty years, or
[1:43:29] Speaker 25: Blue Cross Bushield that raised our premium fifteen percent last
[1:43:32] Speaker 25: year alone. Or it's big tech that wants to automate
[1:43:34] Speaker 25: out your job and put a data center in your backyard,
[1:43:37] Speaker 25: or big pharma that wants to keep the medication away
[1:43:39] Speaker 25: from you that your tax dollars paid for innovating. All
[1:43:42] Speaker 25: of them are buying both Democratic campaigns and Republican campaigns.
[1:43:46] Speaker 25: So I get why you're frustrated and you feel like
[1:43:47] Speaker 25: it's all futile anyway. Now, Donald Trump is heinous and awful,
[1:43:51] Speaker 25: but at the same time, we've got to offer you
[1:43:53] Speaker 25: something that you could fight four and that's exactly this campaign.
[1:43:56] Speaker 25: Now we mentioned where black voters might go in this race,
[1:43:58] Speaker 25: I can tell you this, whether you are black or
[1:44:01] Speaker 25: brown or white, if you're under the age of fifty,
[1:44:04] Speaker 25: chances are you're probably voting for this campaign. That's what
[1:44:07] Speaker 25: the numbers continue to show. And so if we want
[1:44:10] Speaker 25: a government that works for our future and that the
[1:44:13] Speaker 25: future wants to be invested in, this campaign is offering
[1:44:16] Speaker 25: a way forward that buys us out of the bipartisan
[1:44:19] Speaker 25: consensus on too many of the issues, or worse, the
[1:44:22] Speaker 25: bipartisan corruption in which we watch the biggest corporations and
[1:44:27] Speaker 25: special interests by campaigns on both sides. And so I
[1:44:30] Speaker 25: think that's why we're resonating so clearly with young people.
[1:44:33] Speaker 3: Many white male Democratic strategies want to spend so much
[1:44:38] Speaker 3: time and energy trying to go back and reclaim those
[1:44:45] Speaker 3: Reagan Democrats. They are fixated on white women in the suburbs.
[1:44:52] Speaker 3: I've made the point that you put your money, time
[1:44:56] Speaker 3: and energy in the places where the or your natural constituencies.
[1:45:02] Speaker 3: I've also made clear that if black folks are the
[1:45:04] Speaker 3: base of your party, where there are significant black voters,
[1:45:07] Speaker 3: the Democrats today are going to have to spend four
[1:45:11] Speaker 3: times as much time, four times as much money on
[1:45:15] Speaker 3: black voters because the old model is gone, the old
[1:45:18] Speaker 3: model of simply going to black churches in October, visiting
[1:45:23] Speaker 3: an NAACP dinner, dropping by an Urban League event. And
[1:45:29] Speaker 3: that's no shade on the groups, but that's really what
[1:45:31] Speaker 3: the old strategy was, what old strategy was.
[1:45:35] Speaker 4: Do you believe that that's what Democrats have to do.
[1:45:38] Speaker 3: Now that they have to make massive investments on the
[1:45:43] Speaker 3: ground and talking to black.
[1:45:45] Speaker 4: Voters far earlier they normally do.
[1:45:48] Speaker 3: And I dare say a six to nine month runway
[1:45:52] Speaker 3: or twelve month runway versus oh, you know, we'll get
[1:45:56] Speaker 3: around to them in the second half of September, in
[1:45:58] Speaker 3: October and at last before election day.
[1:46:01] Speaker 25: Well, and I think you're absolutely right, and we've been
[1:46:03] Speaker 25: having that conversation with black voters for fifteen months now.
[1:46:07] Speaker 25: I will tell you this, though, we got to go
[1:46:09] Speaker 25: even further back. I think too often we show up
[1:46:12] Speaker 25: and politicians tell you that they're gonna do X, Y
[1:46:14] Speaker 25: and Z and then they never show up again, and
[1:46:16] Speaker 25: then X Y and Z doesn't happen. And the reason
[1:46:18] Speaker 25: X Y and Z doesn't happen is because that campaign
[1:46:20] Speaker 25: was brought to you by the very people right, bought
[1:46:24] Speaker 25: and paid for by the very people who are on
[1:46:27] Speaker 25: the wrong side of X Y and Z happening. If
[1:46:30] Speaker 25: you say we're going to reduce your health care costs,
[1:46:32] Speaker 25: but you're taking money from the people who want to
[1:46:34] Speaker 25: expand healthcare costs, big Pharma, big insurance, the hospital chains,
[1:46:39] Speaker 25: then don't be.
[1:46:40] Speaker 9: Surprised when that doesn't actually materialize.
[1:46:43] Speaker 25: So I think it actually goes back further to say
[1:46:45] Speaker 25: you actually got to put up or shut up.
[1:46:47] Speaker 9: You actually got to show up and do the things
[1:46:49] Speaker 9: you say you're going to do.
[1:46:49] Speaker 25: And the only way you do that is if you
[1:46:52] Speaker 25: offer a politics that is not bought by all the
[1:46:54] Speaker 25: same people who are on the wrong side of the
[1:46:56] Speaker 25: problem in the first place. But that takes time, and
[1:46:58] Speaker 25: it takes resource, and it takes effort. What I'm hoping
[1:47:02] Speaker 25: to be able to do is we talked about, is
[1:47:04] Speaker 25: win this primary and then run the best campaign Michigan
[1:47:07] Speaker 25: has seen for the next three months defeat Mike Rodgers.
[1:47:09] Speaker 25: But then spend the next six years in the US
[1:47:11] Speaker 25: Senate doing the things I said I was going to do,
[1:47:14] Speaker 25: and then the next time I come back around, and
[1:47:16] Speaker 25: it's not just going to be during election day. It's
[1:47:18] Speaker 25: going to be to check in on the things that
[1:47:21] Speaker 25: folks are telling me about, to understand what more could
[1:47:23] Speaker 25: be done. But it's that ability to deliver, not just
[1:47:26] Speaker 25: during election day, not just to mobilize voters, but to
[1:47:29] Speaker 25: actually show the goods of what you delivered, because at
[1:47:32] Speaker 25: the end of the day, if if you've been lied
[1:47:33] Speaker 25: to enough times, you're going to stay home. You look
[1:47:35] Speaker 25: at the voter turnout numbers in a community like the
[1:47:37] Speaker 25: city Detroit, you're talking about the teens, and we can't
[1:47:41] Speaker 25: continue forward in a democracy when people don't show up
[1:47:44] Speaker 25: because they've basically been taught that at the end of
[1:47:47] Speaker 25: the day, it might not matter anyway, and we all
[1:47:50] Speaker 25: you and I both know that that's not true. But
[1:47:52] Speaker 25: at the end of the day, you've got to be
[1:47:53] Speaker 25: able to show the good stuff you can deliver to
[1:47:55] Speaker 25: and so it has to be a round the clock,
[1:47:58] Speaker 25: every part of the year kind of process, continuing in
[1:48:02] Speaker 25: a call in response with the community about what folks
[1:48:05] Speaker 25: need and what you can offer, so that come election day,
[1:48:08] Speaker 25: folks are already mobilized because they know exactly who you are,
[1:48:10] Speaker 25: what you've been doing. You've been narrating circumstances in the
[1:48:13] Speaker 25: first place, and you're delivering. And that's the kind of
[1:48:15] Speaker 25: work that I did when I was both Detroit Health
[1:48:17] Speaker 25: Director and Wayne County Health Director.
[1:48:18] Speaker 9: I used to go out to show up.
[1:48:20] Speaker 25: I'd interview folks just to understand what their issues were,
[1:48:23] Speaker 25: and then we'd build programs around what they shared and
[1:48:25] Speaker 25: we go back and take those back. I think we
[1:48:27] Speaker 25: need to bring that back to elected office as well.
[1:48:29] Speaker 25: These seats aren't just for the holding, they're for the using.
[1:48:31] Speaker 25: And if people don't see us using them on their behalf,
[1:48:33] Speaker 25: then don't be surprised when they don't help you hold them.
[1:48:36] Speaker 4: Doctor.
[1:48:37] Speaker 11: I appreciate it.
[1:48:39] Speaker 4: Good luck on Tuesday's primary.
[1:48:41] Speaker 25: Thank you so much, thanks for having me. It was
[1:48:43] Speaker 25: a great conversation. I really appreciate you.
[1:48:46] Speaker 3: All Right, folks, Greg Amus REESI had to go able.
[1:48:51] Speaker 4: Let's start with you your thoughts.
[1:48:54] Speaker 18: Well, I think he really gave us some very very
[1:48:57] Speaker 18: good understanding of who he is. I think a lot
[1:49:00] Speaker 18: of folks were wondering about that democratic socialist question. I
[1:49:04] Speaker 18: think it was very impressive to say, hey, I'm a
[1:49:07] Speaker 18: scientist and.
[1:49:09] Speaker 5: I am looking for facts.
[1:49:11] Speaker 18: I also am impressed with the fact that he has
[1:49:14] Speaker 18: shared about the key issues that are most important to him,
[1:49:18] Speaker 18: issues around health, issues around making sure that people actually
[1:49:22] Speaker 18: have access to a better opportunity in their communities, and
[1:49:26] Speaker 18: his departure from, you know, having the ties to a
[1:49:30] Speaker 18: lot of the big money interest that oftentimes slow things
[1:49:35] Speaker 18: up instead of making sure that we move forward powerfully.
[1:49:38] Speaker 18: And so I think he made a good closing argument
[1:49:40] Speaker 18: to the black community.
[1:49:42] Speaker 9: You know.
[1:49:42] Speaker 18: I know there are probably some questions that people may
[1:49:44] Speaker 18: have had that he didn't get to, but.
[1:49:46] Speaker 5: I do think that he made a good impression here.
[1:49:49] Speaker 18: I don't think there are any huge disqualifiers here, and
[1:49:51] Speaker 18: I think he provides a good option for voters from
[1:49:54] Speaker 18: election day on.
[1:49:56] Speaker 11: Great. I agree with doctor Avis.
[1:50:00] Speaker 12: I think that if you blindfolded people and you took
[1:50:06] Speaker 12: the sound away and you just read the platforms there
[1:50:12] Speaker 12: this this wouldn't be a competition by oppose. It didn't
[1:50:15] Speaker 12: seem like it's competition anyway. Hey Stevens is not the
[1:50:19] Speaker 12: best candidate in his race. It's clearly doctor I said
[1:50:22] Speaker 12: and I think that, you know, the Wall Street Journal
[1:50:26] Speaker 12: did an article a couple of days ago about the
[1:50:28] Speaker 12: DSA and they're saying, oh, it's one hundred and twenty
[1:50:30] Speaker 12: thousand of them who are former members, about half of
[1:50:33] Speaker 12: them have joined since twenty twenty four. And you know,
[1:50:36] Speaker 12: the Democratic National Committee is a tizzy. But then there
[1:50:41] Speaker 12: are folks like former Vice President Kamala Harris who reached
[1:50:44] Speaker 12: out to Mumblind and you are trying to gauge, you know.
[1:50:46] Speaker 11: Where this is.
[1:50:48] Speaker 12: I think it's beautiful now that the Wall Street Journal,
[1:50:50] Speaker 12: of course, a white nationalists paper, is saying that, you know,
[1:50:54] Speaker 12: to the Democrats, democratic Socialists are like the Tea Party
[1:50:58] Speaker 12: was to the to the Republican Party. One can only.
[1:51:03] Speaker 11: Hope because I remember.
[1:51:05] Speaker 12: That the Tea Party drew out the true nature of
[1:51:08] Speaker 12: the Republican Party, the White nationalist party. Maybe the Democratic
[1:51:11] Speaker 12: Socialists can do the same thing. And I agree with
[1:51:14] Speaker 12: what you said that day was when you said that,
[1:51:15] Speaker 12: you know, when he when he said to you Rot.
[1:51:18] Speaker 11: You know, I'm a scientists, and he took it.
[1:51:21] Speaker 12: He took a little swipe there, Karl Marx, although maybe
[1:51:24] Speaker 12: it was grim shey In not Mars because he did
[1:51:25] Speaker 12: say one hundred years ago in that two hundred so
[1:51:27] Speaker 12: one hundred and fifty so. But either way, he's articulate.
[1:51:32] Speaker 12: And by articulate, I don't mean like what Joe Biden
[1:51:34] Speaker 12: called Barack Obama. I mean he's able to voice real
[1:51:37] Speaker 12: world issues and frame them in a way that is
[1:51:39] Speaker 12: very easily digested. He's going to have to deal with
[1:51:45] Speaker 12: ignorance all around in the state of Michigan, whether it
[1:51:48] Speaker 12: be racial ignorance, ethnic ignorance. I'm thinking of course about
[1:51:53] Speaker 12: Arab communities there. It was interested in how he he
[1:51:56] Speaker 12: adopted that line. I want to say that he stole
[1:51:59] Speaker 12: the line from or that he adopted the line from
[1:52:01] Speaker 12: Mam Donnie. But he said I'm a son of Africa.
[1:52:03] Speaker 12: That's what Mam Donnie born in Uganda, of course, has said,
[1:52:06] Speaker 12: but he didn't claim to be black.
[1:52:08] Speaker 11: That's very important. And being a Muslim in Michigan, listen
[1:52:13] Speaker 11: the birthplace in the Nation of Islam. But I'm a
[1:52:15] Speaker 11: dea movement I think he is.
[1:52:17] Speaker 12: He's articulating his faith in a way that doesn't overshadow
[1:52:22] Speaker 12: anything else, doesn't subsume or capsize the campaign, but does
[1:52:27] Speaker 12: resonate among those who are willing and able to hear
[1:52:31] Speaker 12: past the propaganda. Finally, you know, I think maybe since
[1:52:35] Speaker 12: we've been on the air, the New York Times just
[1:52:36] Speaker 12: dropped the story that this damn racist Musk is now
[1:52:39] Speaker 12: saying he's going to drop one hundred million dollars in campaigns.
[1:52:43] Speaker 12: Hopefully that he will drop as much money as he
[1:52:46] Speaker 12: wants and it will have the same effect as it
[1:52:48] Speaker 12: had in Wisconsin when he tried to buy the Supreme
[1:52:51] Speaker 12: Court in Wisconsin and took that.
[1:52:53] Speaker 9: Hell.
[1:52:54] Speaker 11: But what is clear is that.
[1:52:56] Speaker 12: If these folk can make not only those POC connections,
[1:53:00] Speaker 12: but also make this about the people versus the oligarchs
[1:53:05] Speaker 12: versus the money, as people are suffering, every dollar these
[1:53:08] Speaker 12: Republicans raised may end up being a fiery rope around
[1:53:12] Speaker 12: they nick, because people are going to say, we gotta
[1:53:15] Speaker 12: fight this money.
[1:53:16] Speaker 11: With our votes. It's a I think it's a very
[1:53:19] Speaker 11: interesting time right now.
[1:53:23] Speaker 4: Avis.
[1:53:23] Speaker 3: I also believe there is a lesson here for all
[1:53:30] Speaker 3: of the black folks who are always yelling and screaming.
[1:53:33] Speaker 4: We need our own party.
[1:53:36] Speaker 3: I've consistently said, you don't know what the hell you're
[1:53:41] Speaker 3: talking about. If you do not understand the realities in
[1:53:45] Speaker 3: this country of a two party system. So what DSA
[1:53:51] Speaker 3: is showing you is how you can work within an
[1:53:57] Speaker 3: existing system and run your type of candidates that can win.
[1:54:07] Speaker 3: It is no different than Greg's right. The Tea Party
[1:54:12] Speaker 3: was never a separate entity. The Tea Party were actually conservatives.
[1:54:20] Speaker 3: Some of them could have been former Democrats, could have
[1:54:22] Speaker 3: been independents who spoke to specific issues. But more importantly,
[1:54:28] Speaker 3: what they did was they brought a certain level of
[1:54:32] Speaker 3: energy that attracted people who were not engaged in politics.
[1:54:39] Speaker 3: So if you want to understand so even though else
[1:54:42] Speaker 3: I EID and I'm not calling him DSA, if you
[1:54:45] Speaker 3: look at the candidates that are running the DSA candidates
[1:54:50] Speaker 3: that have won, they are bringing a certain level of
[1:54:54] Speaker 3: energy and they are hyper focused on specific issue use
[1:55:01] Speaker 3: that are appealing to people who have been turned off
[1:55:04] Speaker 3: by the middle of the road. No, we really can
[1:55:07] Speaker 3: accomplish that. No, we have to wait. And so this
[1:55:12] Speaker 3: is what folks should be paying attention to when they yell.
[1:55:16] Speaker 4: We need our own party.
[1:55:18] Speaker 3: They're showing you how you can be within a particular system,
[1:55:23] Speaker 3: run your candidates and win.
[1:55:28] Speaker 18: Absolutely because they're able to take advantage of the pre
[1:55:31] Speaker 18: existing infrastructure within the two party system. And in this
[1:55:35] Speaker 18: case specifically within the Democratic Party, in order to have
[1:55:39] Speaker 18: a more scalable entree to electoral politics in a way
[1:55:44] Speaker 18: that can make winning real and not just a symbolic vote.
[1:55:49] Speaker 18: But I'm going to harken back to something that you
[1:55:51] Speaker 18: said towards the beginning that the Democratic Party would be
[1:55:54] Speaker 18: smart to learn in this moment.
[1:55:58] Speaker 5: You know, I'm like, I'm getting a kick out of
[1:56:03] Speaker 5: how many.
[1:56:04] Speaker 18: Of you, know, the more moderate Democrats are clutching their
[1:56:07] Speaker 18: pearls right now instead of sitting down someplace and taking
[1:56:10] Speaker 18: some notes if they really want to understand.
[1:56:14] Speaker 11: What has led.
[1:56:15] Speaker 18: To this huge rise and the success of many DSA
[1:56:20] Speaker 18: candidates and candidates who are very progressive, even if they
[1:56:24] Speaker 18: don't specifically align with DSA specifically, As doctor Elsie has mentioned,
[1:56:31] Speaker 18: is that people in this moment are looking for fighters.
[1:56:35] Speaker 18: The bottom line is black people in particular, but large
[1:56:38] Speaker 18: squarves of this country in addition to black people, have
[1:56:42] Speaker 18: been under relentless attacks by this administration ever since the
[1:56:48] Speaker 18: very first day he sat his ass in office, and
[1:56:52] Speaker 18: we have been taking hit after hit after hit after hit,
[1:56:58] Speaker 18: and as.
[1:56:59] Speaker 5: A result, people are really.
[1:57:00] Speaker 18: Flailing right now, economically and in other respects.
[1:57:05] Speaker 5: As well.
[1:57:06] Speaker 18: And all of this time we are watching the Republicans on.
[1:57:11] Speaker 5: Full attack mode and the.
[1:57:13] Speaker 18: Democrats not showing the sense of urgency, not showing the fight,
[1:57:20] Speaker 18: not showing the type of energy that is needed to
[1:57:24] Speaker 18: counteract the blows that have been.
[1:57:27] Speaker 5: Coming our ways relentlessly under this administration.
[1:57:31] Speaker 18: I think what people are really seeing in the Democratic
[1:57:34] Speaker 18: socialist is not necessarily the fact that they call themselves
[1:57:40] Speaker 18: democratic socialists. I think what they are seeing are fighters.
[1:57:44] Speaker 18: I think that they are seeing people that are articulating
[1:57:48] Speaker 18: what is really hurting, where the pain is in their lives,
[1:57:52] Speaker 18: and are articulating specific solutions for those pain points. It's
[1:57:58] Speaker 18: interesting that right now everyone is talking about this term affordability.
[1:58:02] Speaker 5: I would argue that you really didn't hear that.
[1:58:04] Speaker 18: Very much on the political scene until we were watching
[1:58:07] Speaker 18: them on Donny campaign rise. I mean, he really articulated
[1:58:11] Speaker 18: that in a very powerful and persuasive way. And now
[1:58:15] Speaker 18: you have both mainstream Democrats and Republicans trying to get.
[1:58:19] Speaker 5: Trump to talk about affordability.
[1:58:21] Speaker 18: And so what's really needed in this moment is a
[1:58:24] Speaker 18: counter for the right wing that understands the urgency of
[1:58:29] Speaker 18: this moment and is willing and able to fight for
[1:58:33] Speaker 18: people at a time in which, in many respects they
[1:58:37] Speaker 18: feel as if they've been left defenseless. That to me
[1:58:40] Speaker 18: is something that any Democrats that want to run right now.
[1:58:43] Speaker 5: They need me taking notes instead of sitting here.
[1:58:45] Speaker 18: Trying to figure out, Oh my god, how can I
[1:58:49] Speaker 18: distance myself from that? Maybe you need to figure out
[1:58:51] Speaker 18: how can you learn from that? And if you did,
[1:58:54] Speaker 18: you might be a little bit more successful at the
[1:58:56] Speaker 18: ballot box.
[1:58:56] Speaker 4: Now only that y'all wrote the clip.
[1:58:58] Speaker 3: I found this of a nineteen year old black man
[1:59:03] Speaker 3: who spoke about why he was supporting El Sayid over
[1:59:07] Speaker 3: Hailey Stevens.
[1:59:10] Speaker 26: Why I don't like Hailey Stevens easy, she's like too much.
[1:59:13] Speaker 2: Of a corporate in Israel, shill like.
[1:59:16] Speaker 26: One of her most famous quotes is that Israel comes
[1:59:19] Speaker 26: to her in her dreams.
[1:59:20] Speaker 8: Fuck that.
[1:59:21] Speaker 26: I'm so sick of America, like bending the knee and
[1:59:26] Speaker 26: like getting on its knees for Israel. And Hailey Stevens
[1:59:29] Speaker 26: doesn't really seem to be against that. Abdul al say
[1:59:32] Speaker 26: It doesn't take like any corporate funding. He just has
[1:59:36] Speaker 26: endorsements from the UAW and Bernie Sanders. Hailey Stevens is
[1:59:40] Speaker 26: basically like being groomed to be into the India Setate
[1:59:45] Speaker 26: to make more favorable changes for Israel. And I'm not
[1:59:48] Speaker 26: okay with that. I don't like I already don't like
[1:59:52] Speaker 26: indirectly supporting a genocide just by collecting a paycheck or
[1:59:57] Speaker 26: by buying literally anything in the country, because I know
[1:59:59] Speaker 26: it's all gonna eventually go upwards and then outwards Israel.
[2:00:03] Speaker 26: And if my and if I can like say that
[2:00:06] Speaker 26: my own states responsible for that, I feel deeply shamed.
[2:00:09] Speaker 26: So I'm just gonna vote for the guy that's not
[2:00:11] Speaker 26: doing that.
[2:00:12] Speaker 20: Do you vote for I'm doing somebody different, somebody different?
[2:00:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, instead of going what
[2:00:18] Speaker 2: do you know?
[2:00:19] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[2:00:20] Speaker 18: And we need changes and shit, you know what I mean.
[2:00:22] Speaker 3: Fucking so Greg the reason that Israel question and I
[2:00:28] Speaker 3: need people listening and watching the pay attention what I'm
[2:00:30] Speaker 3: about to say. If you look at the Israel issue,
[2:00:36] Speaker 3: it is amazing how the funding of Israel is actually
[2:00:42] Speaker 3: galvanizing voters in both parties. You have Democratic or Democratic
[2:00:50] Speaker 3: leaning voters who condemn Israel for committing genocide. And even
[2:00:58] Speaker 3: though you have a lot of Democrats who don't want
[2:01:00] Speaker 3: to call it genocide, many folks who are voting college genocide.
[2:01:05] Speaker 3: On the Republican side, you have many Republicans. Charlie Kirk
[2:01:11] Speaker 3: was one of the folks who was out there making
[2:01:13] Speaker 3: noises too, which is why the conspiracy theorists believe that
[2:01:16] Speaker 3: Israel killed them. When you look at all their videos
[2:01:19] Speaker 3: on the microphone exploding, I supposed to him being shot.
[2:01:24] Speaker 3: Many of these Republicans are against foreign aid being spent elsewhere.
[2:01:32] Speaker 3: So when you hear Senator John Fetterman say, oh, the
[2:01:36] Speaker 3: Democratic Party stops is rock solid support of Israel, I'm
[2:01:39] Speaker 3: leaving the party.
[2:01:41] Speaker 4: Okay.
[2:01:42] Speaker 3: But the reality is the sentiment of the voters is
[2:01:47] Speaker 3: shifting dramatically, and the candidates that are speaking into that
[2:01:53] Speaker 3: sentiment you're seeing success at the ballot box. That's actually
[2:01:58] Speaker 3: called listening to the people or listening.
[2:02:03] Speaker 4: To the ground. Or is Joe Madison to say, put
[2:02:04] Speaker 4: it what a ghost can get it?
[2:02:07] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[2:02:08] Speaker 12: Absolutely, And please forgive me for laughing so hard, because
[2:02:11] Speaker 12: my man at the end.
[2:02:12] Speaker 11: Was like fuck it.
[2:02:13] Speaker 12: In other words, anytime a guy says something like that
[2:02:18] Speaker 12: and it's going to the polls, you're absolutely right, Don Davis.
[2:02:21] Speaker 12: The Democrat Party needs to be paying attention. This is
[2:02:23] Speaker 12: a guy who maybe didn't vote. I remember when Barack
[2:02:26] Speaker 12: Obama ran and I had to come down here. I
[2:02:28] Speaker 12: was still living in Philly at the time, and I can't.
[2:02:31] Speaker 12: I went to the polls at four o'clock in the
[2:02:32] Speaker 12: morning so I could get in line, and there were
[2:02:34] Speaker 12: two sisters in front of me, elders in lawn chairs,
[2:02:39] Speaker 12: and then behind me a brother came up and this
[2:02:41] Speaker 12: brother said, I ain't voted for nothing since Wilson Good,
[2:02:44] Speaker 12: the first black mayor. I say, bro, get in front
[2:02:47] Speaker 12: of me, because you know, I got to catch a
[2:02:49] Speaker 12: train as soon as I do this, but I want
[2:02:51] Speaker 12: you in front of me because you ain't walked in
[2:02:53] Speaker 12: a voting booth in forever. That elder, the brother who
[2:02:56] Speaker 12: spoke secondly the second, you know, he's expressing that idea, Okay,
[2:03:00] Speaker 12: we need to change, but a lot of times pen
[2:03:03] Speaker 12: people say we need to change.
[2:03:04] Speaker 11: They don't vote. And you know, Roland is very important.
[2:03:08] Speaker 11: What you raised.
[2:03:10] Speaker 12: Steve Phillips, who, of course, as you know, we interviewed
[2:03:13] Speaker 12: him for The Black Table. He's got a new book
[2:03:15] Speaker 12: out called Our White Men Smarter than Everybody Else.
[2:03:18] Speaker 11: He's kind of provocative title, but what he.
[2:03:21] Speaker 12: Says in there, and he actually wrote an article in
[2:03:24] Speaker 12: the Nation magazine back in November where he said, to
[2:03:28] Speaker 12: understand what Mam Donnie is doing now the right Socialist,
[2:03:31] Speaker 12: you got to go back forty years what the Rainbow
[2:03:34] Speaker 12: Coalition people said, we need our own party.
[2:03:36] Speaker 11: You've talked to how many times have you talked about this?
[2:03:38] Speaker 12: Nineteen seventy two, Gary, the Black Political Party went to
[2:03:42] Speaker 12: the Democratic Convention and the Republican Convention.
[2:03:45] Speaker 11: Four years before then, seventy two. Gary.
[2:03:47] Speaker 12: The whole idea was, we got to capture one of
[2:03:49] Speaker 12: these two parties. Having a party doesn't mean you have
[2:03:53] Speaker 12: a complete major political party to the exclusion of the others.
[2:03:56] Speaker 11: It means that you use those hosts. You've talked about
[2:03:58] Speaker 11: this many times.
[2:04:00] Speaker 12: Well, what happened with the Rainbow Coalition, which was the
[2:04:04] Speaker 12: name itself, of course taken from the Black Panthers and
[2:04:07] Speaker 12: the Young Lords and the Young Patriots, the whites in Chicago,
[2:04:10] Speaker 12: Fred Hampton and others, and by the way, rest in
[2:04:14] Speaker 12: peace to Delise Oliver, who just may transition one of
[2:04:18] Speaker 12: the leading figures in the Young Lords.
[2:04:21] Speaker 11: Well what did the Democratic Party do?
[2:04:23] Speaker 4: Then?
[2:04:24] Speaker 12: Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, they come up, the so called
[2:04:28] Speaker 12: centrists come up with a way to absorb some of
[2:04:30] Speaker 12: that energy, try to incorporate some of it, but blunt
[2:04:33] Speaker 12: that force will. Guess what, it's back again, baby? Why
[2:04:37] Speaker 12: because the people in this country are not a minority
[2:04:40] Speaker 12: who do not want to bow down to a duopoly,
[2:04:44] Speaker 12: to a a neoliberal political agenda. And what looked crazy
[2:04:48] Speaker 12: in twenty twenty four when at first brother, if he's nineteen,
[2:04:52] Speaker 12: that means he probably couldn't have voted for Vice President Harris.
[2:04:56] Speaker 12: He might have been old enough to he was just
[2:04:57] Speaker 12: barely old enough. Now here we are just a couple
[2:05:00] Speaker 12: of years later, and these oligarchs are playing in our
[2:05:05] Speaker 12: faces so boldly that they are basically saying, we dare
[2:05:09] Speaker 12: you to take us out in the ballot box. And
[2:05:11] Speaker 12: then B be the international killer who is a war
[2:05:16] Speaker 12: criminal who has so much blood on his hands.
[2:05:19] Speaker 11: Imagine this, imagine.
[2:05:20] Speaker 12: Us having this conversation rolling two years ago. No, but
[2:05:24] Speaker 12: guess what is different now? BB is still killing. He
[2:05:28] Speaker 12: they dodn't kill somebody since we've been on the air
[2:05:30] Speaker 12: right now, bombing and killing and bomb me and killing.
[2:05:32] Speaker 12: And as a result, and this is where I end
[2:05:37] Speaker 12: Black folk in particular. You know, we look, we have
[2:05:41] Speaker 12: been victims for a half millennium for five hundred years
[2:05:44] Speaker 12: of a perpetual.
[2:05:44] Speaker 11: Assault on our lives.
[2:05:46] Speaker 12: If and when our focus, our aperture widens, and it
[2:05:50] Speaker 12: has done this over time in history. We see at
[2:05:52] Speaker 12: different moments in US history. But I seem like we're
[2:05:55] Speaker 12: at a moment now where you can't use that as
[2:05:58] Speaker 12: a wedge issue, genius, what about us? Nah, genocide is genocide,
[2:06:03] Speaker 12: and these people are in bed with them, and they all.
[2:06:05] Speaker 11: Got all this money and you don't have anything. Listen.
[2:06:10] Speaker 12: They may correct this thing wide open, but it is
[2:06:12] Speaker 12: an iteration in some ways of what the Rainbow Coalition
[2:06:15] Speaker 12: was doing. So when people say we need our own party,
[2:06:17] Speaker 12: you know, maybe you can convince them to read a book, Broan,
[2:06:20] Speaker 12: because I don't seem to be doing too good a
[2:06:23] Speaker 12: job at day.
[2:06:25] Speaker 3: I also want I also want people to really when
[2:06:32] Speaker 3: you say read, please read and understand the ramifications of
[2:06:41] Speaker 3: what happens with how our politics turns out.
[2:06:47] Speaker 4: And what I'm speaking about is I think about.
[2:06:56] Speaker 3: Nineteen forty four, about a certain presidential campaign in nineteen
[2:07:03] Speaker 3: forty four, many of us, many of us might remember
[2:07:13] Speaker 3: the famous you know holding up of you know, the
[2:07:20] Speaker 3: headline do it defeats Truman. We might we might remember
[2:07:25] Speaker 3: it do it defeats Truman. But I think it's important
[2:07:30] Speaker 3: for people to actually go back to the previous go.
[2:07:34] Speaker 4: To my pass shower photo. Y'all come on, yep, y'ah,
[2:07:36] Speaker 4: moving too slow? Come on, moving too slow? You to
[2:07:39] Speaker 4: keep up with me?
[2:07:40] Speaker 3: I didn't you go back to the previous election when
[2:07:43] Speaker 3: Henry Wallace ran. People just understand that Henry Wallace, Uh,
[2:07:50] Speaker 3: Henry Wallace was hit of the Progressive Party, and if
[2:07:57] Speaker 3: you look at the issues he was advocating, he was
[2:08:00] Speaker 3: talking about universal health care. In nineteen forty four, he
[2:08:04] Speaker 3: was fdr as vice president. But leaders of the Democratic
[2:08:09] Speaker 3: Party felt Wallace was too liberal, he was too progressive.
[2:08:15] Speaker 3: So what the Democratic Party has always struggled with what
[2:08:20] Speaker 3: you just laid out. They always struggle with progressive and
[2:08:30] Speaker 3: center right or what is called moderate. So Wallace gets
[2:08:34] Speaker 3: removed in forty four, replaced with Harry Truman. Truman the
[2:08:39] Speaker 3: only reason Truman beat Dewey in nineteen forty eight, it's
[2:08:45] Speaker 3: because Truman, who really did not want a campaign for
[2:08:48] Speaker 3: black folks, Walter White was putting massive pressure on Truman.
[2:08:54] Speaker 3: Watson White folks had the NAACP to desegregate the armed forces,
[2:09:00] Speaker 3: and they were putting that pressure on him, even though
[2:09:03] Speaker 3: the policies of the policies of Wallace were really more
[2:09:08] Speaker 3: aligned with the NAACP. But the NAACP was also looking
[2:09:12] Speaker 3: at it from a quote pragmatic position. So they push Truman.
[2:09:19] Speaker 3: Truman greets to certain things, and Truman makes one campaign
[2:09:24] Speaker 3: stop in a black community and that was in Harlem,
[2:09:29] Speaker 3: and that just a ripple effect where black folks were
[2:09:34] Speaker 3: just excited.
[2:09:35] Speaker 4: What for Truman? Why is that important? That's important because.
[2:09:41] Speaker 3: We can't get excited is when somebody simply shows up
[2:09:44] Speaker 3: to our community. The question is what are the policies
[2:09:49] Speaker 3: the policies you're advocating. And what I am saying to
[2:09:52] Speaker 3: people is that what Avis said, you use the existing system. Again,
[2:10:00] Speaker 3: it's a delivery system. When I think about what I
[2:10:06] Speaker 3: think about this is your school choice. When I think
[2:10:10] Speaker 3: about that whole point. When we were in Milwaukee and
[2:10:18] Speaker 3: the former Milwaukee superintendent Howard Fuller, Howard Fuller kept saying, y'all,
[2:10:26] Speaker 3: y'all tripping on charter school.
[2:10:28] Speaker 4: But he said, y'all, he said, the public school sit
[2:10:31] Speaker 4: that's a that's.
[2:10:32] Speaker 3: A delivery system. He said, you can have more than
[2:10:35] Speaker 3: one delivery system. We have to recognize that, yes, Publican Party,
[2:10:40] Speaker 3: Democratic Party are delivery systems. And when we talk about MAGA,
[2:10:45] Speaker 3: MAGA is a recognized Oh, this is a delivery system.
[2:10:50] Speaker 3: So we can get into this delivery system and completely
[2:10:54] Speaker 3: up in the delivery system. And that's why Hillary Clinton
[2:10:58] Speaker 3: and Joe Biden never understood. They kep thinking that the
[2:11:00] Speaker 3: Republican Party was going back to the old Republican Party. No, no, no, no, no,
[2:11:03] Speaker 3: they weren't going back. MAGA is the Republican Party. That
[2:11:08] Speaker 3: party has completely shifted. And I'm saying this because I
[2:11:13] Speaker 3: need black folks who run their mouths, who bump their
[2:11:16] Speaker 3: gums on social media to understand, especially all y'all no tangebis,
[2:11:24] Speaker 3: no vote people, you will never ever change a system.
[2:11:32] Speaker 3: If you're sitting on your ass, you will never ever
[2:11:39] Speaker 3: see the type of candidates.
[2:11:43] Speaker 4: You claim you want.
[2:11:45] Speaker 3: If you don't vote, you will never see the type
[2:11:51] Speaker 3: of candidates you claim you want in office. They will
[2:11:55] Speaker 3: never ever get to the general election if they never
[2:11:59] Speaker 3: win a primary. And so what has the DSA done?
[2:12:04] Speaker 3: And let me be very perfectly clear, I've heard a
[2:12:09] Speaker 3: lot of the DSA agenda from their leaders DSA also
[2:12:14] Speaker 3: has a white problem. Let's be real clear, Okay, right,
[2:12:19] Speaker 3: these they got a white problem. They've got some issues
[2:12:22] Speaker 3: with race and they need to confront. So I'm not
[2:12:26] Speaker 3: advocating for the DSA. What I am doing is looking
[2:12:30] Speaker 3: at what they have done. Was they've they've created their
[2:12:35] Speaker 3: own infrastructure, and they now are infiltrating an existing infrastructure.
[2:12:43] Speaker 3: They are picking and choosing the right candidates, funding them.
[2:12:49] Speaker 3: More importantly, they are advancing ideas that are attractive to
[2:12:54] Speaker 3: non DSA members. And that is and that is the
[2:12:58] Speaker 3: blueprint for how you create an institution within an institution
[2:13:06] Speaker 3: that could potentially take over the institution. And last point,
[2:13:11] Speaker 3: when Greg mentioned Reverend Jesse Jackson Senior and Rainbow Push,
[2:13:18] Speaker 3: this is in God bless Reverend Jackson, God bless his soul.
[2:13:22] Speaker 3: But this is what his son, then Congressman Jesse Jackson.
[2:13:25] Speaker 4: Junior, told me. He said, Roland, the greatest mistake my
[2:13:32] Speaker 4: dad made.
[2:13:35] Speaker 3: Was not keeping the infrastructure in place after he ran
[2:13:41] Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty eight.
[2:13:45] Speaker 4: Now, and what he said was.
[2:13:49] Speaker 3: He had a base of donors, he had spreadsheets, he
[2:13:56] Speaker 3: had volunteers all across the county, white, black, Latino, Asian
[2:14:01] Speaker 3: American you name it.
[2:14:04] Speaker 4: He had built out over two presidential.
[2:14:06] Speaker 3: Campaigns this infrastructure, and he had the ability to take
[2:14:11] Speaker 3: his infrastructure and not move it where he wanted to
[2:14:15] Speaker 3: move it to stand behind whoever ran in any particular year.
[2:14:22] Speaker 3: I'll never forget when Doug Wilder, then Virginia governor, jump
[2:14:25] Speaker 3: into the race in nineteen ninety two. One of his
[2:14:27] Speaker 3: biggest critics of his agenda was Reverend Jackson, govern a Wilde.
[2:14:31] Speaker 3: It did not last long in the race. I still
[2:14:34] Speaker 3: personally believe that was a mistake by Reverend Jackson. And
[2:14:39] Speaker 3: but again that was two Omega's going at each other.
[2:14:42] Speaker 3: So that's their business.
[2:14:44] Speaker 4: I digress, I digress.
[2:14:46] Speaker 3: But the point I'm making the point, I'm making the
[2:14:49] Speaker 3: point I'm making. But what Congressman Jesse Jackson Junior said was,
[2:14:54] Speaker 3: and this is the mistake that I believe that many
[2:14:56] Speaker 3: black people continue to make the election season, is that
[2:15:00] Speaker 3: we build and create these institutions, this infrastructure, and they
[2:15:05] Speaker 3: only last avis until election day. What we have to
[2:15:12] Speaker 3: do is take the infrastructure of a campaign and extend
[2:15:18] Speaker 3: it beyond the campaign. And as Latasha Brown A Cliff
[2:15:23] Speaker 3: Albright keep saying, it has to be three sixty five
[2:15:28] Speaker 3: organizing and mobilizing. So when the campaign is over the
[2:15:32] Speaker 3: first Tuesday November, it then shifts into, Okay, what's going
[2:15:37] Speaker 3: to be our Black agenda for whoever won, even if
[2:15:40] Speaker 3: the person that we supported didn't win. And so how
[2:15:43] Speaker 3: do we now take between the day after the election
[2:15:47] Speaker 3: day and the day of the inauguration to be meeting
[2:15:50] Speaker 3: and coalescing and establishing our agenda? So when they get inaugurated,
[2:15:57] Speaker 3: we're able to walk into the room zoom out. We're
[2:16:00] Speaker 3: able to walk into the room and say, here's our agenda.
[2:16:10] Speaker 4: But what we do is the election is over. We
[2:16:17] Speaker 4: might be upset, mad, or.
[2:16:20] Speaker 3: Are euphor you're excited, and other folks are planning and plotting.
[2:16:26] Speaker 4: Are the four against whoever won? We just half of
[2:16:29] Speaker 4: they won?
[2:16:31] Speaker 3: And so that's why an Obama can win in two
[2:16:34] Speaker 3: thousand and eight. And it takes Black leadership five years
[2:16:41] Speaker 3: to meet to establish an agenda. And you can't tell
[2:16:46] Speaker 3: me I'm wrong because I was actually at the meeting
[2:16:50] Speaker 3: at the hotel when it happened, and.
[2:16:53] Speaker 4: I asked the question, what the hell took y'all so long?
[2:16:57] Speaker 3: And then it took them nine months to type up
[2:17:00] Speaker 3: and disseminate what they.
[2:17:02] Speaker 4: Agreed on at that meeting. So we was six years in.
[2:17:10] Speaker 3: Before the collective Black leadership had an agenda for Obama
[2:17:14] Speaker 3: and he only had two years left. And then by
[2:17:16] Speaker 3: the time they did that, Democrats no long control the Senate.
[2:17:19] Speaker 3: Republicans control the Senate, Democrats control the House.
[2:17:22] Speaker 4: And there you go.
[2:17:24] Speaker 3: So Avis, what I want our fault to understand is
[2:17:29] Speaker 3: we have the potential.
[2:17:33] Speaker 4: To literally.
[2:17:36] Speaker 3: Reorganize, reconstruct, deconstruct, rebuild whatever you want to call it,
[2:17:44] Speaker 3: true black political power within a democratic party infrastructure that
[2:17:51] Speaker 3: advances our issues. But it cannot be done if all
[2:17:56] Speaker 3: we're doing is talking about it and not doing work.
[2:18:01] Speaker 2: Amen.
[2:18:02] Speaker 18: Amen, A man, Amen, I have been preaching that damn
[2:18:06] Speaker 18: sermon for years. I was in that room too, Roland,
[2:18:09] Speaker 18: and I have to say that agenda that you're referring to,
[2:18:13] Speaker 18: I won't be perfectly honest.
[2:18:14] Speaker 5: It was a sliver of an agenda.
[2:18:17] Speaker 18: Most of well, I'm not going to go down that
[2:18:19] Speaker 18: lane because I have PTSD, but I will just say
[2:18:23] Speaker 18: it was very underwhelming, Okay, And so here is what
[2:18:28] Speaker 18: I think we need to and you're definitely right, but
[2:18:30] Speaker 18: I would argue we needn't even putting that together now.
[2:18:33] Speaker 9: Okay.
[2:18:33] Speaker 18: I think you don't wait until after an election. I
[2:18:36] Speaker 18: think you put it together prior to the election and
[2:18:40] Speaker 18: then you go to the different candidates and say, this
[2:18:44] Speaker 18: is what is critical to the black community.
[2:18:47] Speaker 5: Will you commit to this? So, for example, with all.
[2:18:49] Speaker 18: Of the hull of blulo that's going on right now
[2:18:52] Speaker 18: with tul Rico, you know, and that disastrous town hall
[2:18:56] Speaker 18: they had in Houston, my thing is it does black
[2:19:01] Speaker 18: people no good to get the man in the room
[2:19:03] Speaker 18: just to.
[2:19:03] Speaker 5: Yell at them. Absolutely, it's a waste of time and energy.
[2:19:07] Speaker 5: Why not say we want ABC XYZ one two three.
[2:19:13] Speaker 18: In those situations and say we need you to commit
[2:19:16] Speaker 18: to ABC one two three XYZ in order to earn
[2:19:19] Speaker 18: our vote.
[2:19:20] Speaker 3: Here's why, here's why, Avis. You can't go to the
[2:19:26] Speaker 3: town hall yelling or speaking as an individual. Well you
[2:19:33] Speaker 3: just described can only happen when you come to the
[2:19:38] Speaker 3: table through an organizational infrastructure. Because and great, I've been
[2:19:45] Speaker 3: looking for the quote, Lord, I need to find it.
[2:19:47] Speaker 4: I swear I heard the quote locally.
[2:19:50] Speaker 3: Carmichael Coleman, Terray, say find me any African American who
[2:19:54] Speaker 3: has had any success with our community and it was
[2:19:56] Speaker 3: done through organization out as an individual. I've been looking
[2:19:59] Speaker 3: for the quote. Need to find that if you come across.
[2:20:01] Speaker 4: And let me know. But Abas, that's the point.
[2:20:03] Speaker 3: If an individual stands up and yells and screams, the
[2:20:07] Speaker 3: candidates looking at them like you one person. But if
[2:20:11] Speaker 3: an individual stands up saying I represent two thousand, five thousand,
[2:20:16] Speaker 3: three thousand, ten thousand, twenty thousand, fifty thousand, hundred thousand, candid.
[2:20:20] Speaker 4: Goes oh shit, that's called infrastructure.
[2:20:24] Speaker 3: So I think that's part of the problem, as we
[2:20:26] Speaker 3: have too many of our people showing up at events
[2:20:30] Speaker 3: operating as loan wolves, and we're not coming to the
[2:20:33] Speaker 3: table in terms of organization organizational infrastructure, which is why
[2:20:38] Speaker 3: the book that I'm working on, which is why the
[2:20:41] Speaker 3: argument that I am making to in the book to
[2:20:44] Speaker 3: our black organizations is damn it, use it and stop
[2:20:49] Speaker 3: sitting on it for personal interests.
[2:20:51] Speaker 4: Go ahead, damn you.
[2:20:54] Speaker 5: I mean, you're exactly right, I am.
[2:20:58] Speaker 8: You know.
[2:20:59] Speaker 18: We cannot continue to make the same mistakes over and
[2:21:01] Speaker 18: over again. We cannot organize to get people in office
[2:21:05] Speaker 18: and then when they're in office just act like we
[2:21:07] Speaker 18: just damn happy to be here. We have to be
[2:21:10] Speaker 18: able to come together with strategy, and I will say this.
[2:21:13] Speaker 18: One thing what makes me excited though, as we talk
[2:21:17] Speaker 18: about this in the abstract, is that I can also
[2:21:21] Speaker 18: talk about this in a very specific direction because you know,
[2:21:25] Speaker 18: with some work that is going on right now, with
[2:21:29] Speaker 18: major organizations that are coming together post Calais, we are
[2:21:33] Speaker 18: thinking about this in a very futuristic way, and we
[2:21:35] Speaker 18: are about the work of pulling together the organizations that
[2:21:39] Speaker 18: is cross dimensional in terms of organizations.
[2:21:42] Speaker 5: So we can move.
[2:21:43] Speaker 18: Forward, in the words of my good friend doctor Stacey,
[2:21:48] Speaker 18: head of the Panelytic Council.
[2:21:50] Speaker 5: One ban, one sound, and use this in a way to.
[2:21:53] Speaker 18: Really be able to say, this is a movement of
[2:21:58] Speaker 18: various organizations convene, I will say about Melanie Campbell, to
[2:22:04] Speaker 18: really be able to think freely in this moment where
[2:22:07] Speaker 18: we need creative thinking, or we need to be able
[2:22:09] Speaker 18: to say, this is not a moment in which we're
[2:22:11] Speaker 18: trying to recreate what was. This is a moment in
[2:22:14] Speaker 18: which we're trying to say what should be and now
[2:22:17] Speaker 18: we're coming together to do it. So I'm happy to
[2:22:19] Speaker 18: say that we are not trying to recreate the mistakes
[2:22:23] Speaker 18: of the past. I am excited to say we are
[2:22:27] Speaker 18: working together to create what should have been years ago.
[2:22:30] Speaker 18: But we're not going to cry over spilled milk. Instead,
[2:22:33] Speaker 18: we're going to say, let's do it right this time.
[2:22:36] Speaker 18: And I feel encouraged to say that we're engaged in
[2:22:39] Speaker 18: that action.
[2:22:40] Speaker 3: I'm gonna close this out Greg with you, but I'm
[2:22:43] Speaker 3: gonna use the points that Avis just brought up with
[2:22:45] Speaker 3: regard to the Tallerycode campaign. And this is what I
[2:22:49] Speaker 3: mean by political sophistication. Do I believe that we use
[2:22:58] Speaker 3: African Americans.
[2:23:01] Speaker 4: Black Texans?
[2:23:02] Speaker 3: Let me just say that Black Texans, because if your
[2:23:05] Speaker 3: ass can't vote in Texas, your opinion don't matter in Texas.
[2:23:09] Speaker 3: But black Texans, black Texans should be making demands they
[2:23:15] Speaker 3: represent of James Ulerico. Black Texans should be saying, what
[2:23:20] Speaker 3: is your agenda? Black Texans should be saying, what an
[2:23:25] Speaker 3: investment are you going to make in your campaign in
[2:23:27] Speaker 3: black communities? Black Texans should be saying, are you utilizing
[2:23:32] Speaker 3: African American campaign consultants, posters, field directors, things along those lines.
[2:23:37] Speaker 3: That all should be happening, but it is grossly offensive
[2:23:43] Speaker 3: to me as a native Texan, a Native Histonian, a
[2:23:47] Speaker 3: registered voter in Dallas County, Texas. To listen to people
[2:23:54] Speaker 3: who are not from Texas opine and say that because
[2:24:02] Speaker 3: Cong's woman Jasmine Crockett did not win her primary, that
[2:24:07] Speaker 3: we should quote penalize the white boy and wait for
[2:24:12] Speaker 3: the next election. Now, the reason I find that to
[2:24:17] Speaker 3: be absolutely idiotic, and the reason that what that says
[2:24:24] Speaker 3: to me is that folks don't know shit about anything.
[2:24:30] Speaker 3: Is that because I look at this right here.
[2:24:34] Speaker 4: New York Times.
[2:24:36] Speaker 3: Trump threatens to withdraw Blanche as attorney General, dealing blow
[2:24:40] Speaker 3: to nomination. President Trump's threat followed a day of fruitless
[2:24:44] Speaker 3: negotiations with two Republican holdouts, Senators John Cornyn and Tom Tillis.
[2:24:51] Speaker 4: Trump says one Blanche can be the indefinite age, but he.
[2:24:59] Speaker 3: Says, you know what, I might pull his nomination because
[2:25:05] Speaker 3: them two gonna be gone in January. I need y'all
[2:25:10] Speaker 3: watching and listening to understand what the hell I'm.
[2:25:12] Speaker 4: About to say.
[2:25:14] Speaker 3: Trump's saying they gonna be gone in January when the
[2:25:20] Speaker 3: new Senate comes in, And what he's saying is, well,
[2:25:27] Speaker 3: Republican gonna replace Tillis.
[2:25:30] Speaker 4: Poll show Governor Roy Cooper, Democrat is leading.
[2:25:33] Speaker 3: Trump was thinking, well, my boy, Ken Paxton is gonna
[2:25:38] Speaker 3: replace Corning.
[2:25:41] Speaker 4: Y'all.
[2:25:42] Speaker 27: If Taller Rico beats Corning, he ain't got the votes.
[2:25:49] Speaker 27: If Democrats hold the seat in Michigan, whether it is
[2:25:53] Speaker 27: l Saeed or Stevens, and if they upset Collins in Maine,
[2:26:01] Speaker 27: you got the Democrat leading in Iowa.
[2:26:04] Speaker 3: You're the Democrat leading in Alaska. Oldsof holes in Georgia, y'all.
[2:26:12] Speaker 3: Texas could represent the fifty second or the fifty third vote,
[2:26:19] Speaker 3: Sir Federman does whatever the hell he does. His vote
[2:26:22] Speaker 3: has now been canceled out because if you got fifty two,
[2:26:26] Speaker 3: take care about you got fifty one.
[2:26:29] Speaker 4: So guess what that means.
[2:26:34] Speaker 3: If tall Rico wins in Texas, then you totally disrupt
[2:26:41] Speaker 3: the Trump agenda. And now he can get a single
[2:26:46] Speaker 3: appointment to the administration, to the federal Bench, to US attorneys,
[2:26:53] Speaker 3: to US marshals, any appointment without going through Democrats Supreme Court.
[2:27:00] Speaker 4: So you know, us free quarters. So why in the hell,
[2:27:03] Speaker 4: why in the hell.
[2:27:06] Speaker 3: Would black people be articulating, No, damn, that win't voting,
[2:27:13] Speaker 3: you know, because uh, you know, he because he beat
[2:27:17] Speaker 3: the system.
[2:27:18] Speaker 4: He ran a great ass campaign.
[2:27:22] Speaker 9: And he won.
[2:27:24] Speaker 3: This is what I'm talking about when it comes to
[2:27:27] Speaker 3: political sophistication. And this is what I'm saying when we
[2:27:30] Speaker 3: have to sometimes stop being so fucking emotional and understand
[2:27:40] Speaker 3: that whoever wins is there for the next six years.
[2:27:47] Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, if a tall Rico wins,
[2:27:54] Speaker 3: you now have broken my last pointment.
[2:27:57] Speaker 4: Fuck go to grig you.
[2:27:59] Speaker 3: No, I don't want to have broken a thirty year Boston.
[2:28:06] Speaker 3: Anybody who plays space now what I'm talking.
[2:28:08] Speaker 4: About, you'd have broken of thirty year of Boston.
[2:28:11] Speaker 3: And Republicans have run on Democrats because y'all, when George W.
[2:28:18] Speaker 3: Bush beat and Richards and he ran for reelection and
[2:28:26] Speaker 3: the next after four years, that began the total Republican
[2:28:32] Speaker 3: rule of Texas, a state that used to be all democratic.
[2:28:38] Speaker 3: No Republican had won in Texas until Senator John Tower
[2:28:42] Speaker 3: was elected in nineteen eighty four.
[2:28:46] Speaker 4: You would never think that, so.
[2:28:49] Speaker 3: Republicans control both US Senate seats, the Governor's mansion, Lieutenant governor,
[2:28:55] Speaker 3: the House, the Senate, the State Board of Education, Secretary
[2:28:59] Speaker 3: of State, Attorney General, up in Texas Supreme Court.
[2:29:04] Speaker 4: You name it.
[2:29:06] Speaker 3: So why would we be shortsighted that if you're playing
[2:29:10] Speaker 3: chess in the long game, you don't sit here and
[2:29:15] Speaker 3: tell people to check out because you mad and the
[2:29:19] Speaker 3: candidate you wanted didn't win in March. If your goal
[2:29:26] Speaker 3: is to stop MAGA and to stop the GP, and
[2:29:30] Speaker 3: to stop Trump and regain the White House and restore
[2:29:35] Speaker 3: civil rights and restore voting rights, and restore black skintting
[2:29:40] Speaker 3: federal contracts, and also cause these corporations to stop being
[2:29:43] Speaker 3: scared of a tax on DEI do y'all understand all
[2:29:47] Speaker 3: of that happens when we effectively utilize our power. Sitting
[2:29:52] Speaker 3: out ain't an option, GG final thought.
[2:29:59] Speaker 12: What they said, amen, and men, and men and men,
[2:30:01] Speaker 12: It's true if we voted our numbers.
[2:30:04] Speaker 11: You say it all the time.
[2:30:05] Speaker 12: Not only would Tallary go win and take it away
[2:30:08] Speaker 12: from a man who should never hold public office, who
[2:30:12] Speaker 12: was a deplorable to borrow from Hillary Clinton, Ken Paxton
[2:30:16] Speaker 12: just as a man seems to be the type of
[2:30:19] Speaker 12: person that you would never want making decisions for others.
[2:30:23] Speaker 12: He can't even hold his girlfriend's hand walking the streets
[2:30:25] Speaker 12: of London. But not only would he win, and there's
[2:30:29] Speaker 12: a governor's race too, Greg Abbott would be out as well.
[2:30:33] Speaker 12: It really isn't you know, It really isn't that difficult.
[2:30:37] Speaker 12: It isn't that difficult. You know, As I mentioned before,
[2:30:40] Speaker 12: thinking about Steve Phillips, he said, every day, seven thousand
[2:30:43] Speaker 12: people of color are added to the population, while one
[2:30:46] Speaker 12: two hundred and sixty four white people are subtracted. When
[2:30:49] Speaker 12: you look at the numbers of birth deaths and legal immigrants,
[2:30:52] Speaker 12: the majority of people under eighteen are people of color.
[2:30:55] Speaker 12: Four million young people turn eighteen every year. The marginal
[2:30:58] Speaker 12: difference in the twenty twenty four vection was two million people.
[2:31:01] Speaker 11: And when you look at like you said, Harris County,
[2:31:03] Speaker 11: you look at Houston.
[2:31:04] Speaker 12: If Harris County was its own state, it'd be what
[2:31:08] Speaker 12: in the top five states or top ten states in
[2:31:10] Speaker 12: the country in terms of population and revenue, in terms
[2:31:14] Speaker 12: of what it generates. We're looking at a simple It
[2:31:17] Speaker 12: may seem complicated to some people, but it is very simple.
[2:31:21] Speaker 2: You know.
[2:31:22] Speaker 12: I don't want to call people stupid. I would say that,
[2:31:25] Speaker 12: although tempted, I want to say that we are been
[2:31:29] Speaker 12: so whipped, so beat down, so made numb by this
[2:31:35] Speaker 12: bombarding of perpetual images.
[2:31:37] Speaker 11: And this is why the eleisons are fighting now.
[2:31:39] Speaker 12: Although it looks like paramount, maybe that margin that merger
[2:31:43] Speaker 12: doesn't go through because people went to the ballot box
[2:31:45] Speaker 12: and enough states to have enough attorneys general who are
[2:31:48] Speaker 12: not if the white nationalists to go to court, and
[2:31:50] Speaker 12: maybe that gets broken up. But there's a reason they
[2:31:52] Speaker 12: want images. It's the reason why Musk says he's going
[2:31:55] Speaker 12: to spend one hundred million dollars and that he's targeting
[2:31:59] Speaker 12: fives Alaska, Iowa, Maine, Michigan, Ohio.
[2:32:05] Speaker 11: You just talked about all of them except Alaska.
[2:32:07] Speaker 12: And then they're saying, now the people with knowledge of
[2:32:10] Speaker 12: this pact that he's forming is saying that they want
[2:32:12] Speaker 12: to go into North Carolina, Georgia, and Texas. So you know,
[2:32:17] Speaker 12: tell Rico can be put in the Senate. John Fetterman
[2:32:21] Speaker 12: is already out of the Democratic Party. God bless him.
[2:32:24] Speaker 12: I wish him a long and healthy convalescence. So I
[2:32:27] Speaker 12: hope he comes back to the state of mind that
[2:32:29] Speaker 12: he had before he had his health challenges. And he
[2:32:32] Speaker 12: campaigned the whole state of Pennsylvania, lying through his hoodie
[2:32:35] Speaker 12: teeth about what he said he was and wasn't going
[2:32:39] Speaker 12: to do.
[2:32:40] Speaker 11: But let's be very clear.
[2:32:41] Speaker 12: Sitting out this election and waiting to the next election
[2:32:44] Speaker 12: may not be no next election. Have you been paying
[2:32:46] Speaker 12: attention to the Supreme Court in the United States of America,
[2:32:49] Speaker 12: which in the ruling a couple of months ago, said
[2:32:52] Speaker 12: that you can have unlimited campaign donations to a political
[2:32:55] Speaker 12: party and coordinate with that political party.
[2:32:58] Speaker 11: That's what's freeing musk up in part to do what
[2:33:01] Speaker 11: he's doing.
[2:33:02] Speaker 12: Last thing I says is, you know this conversation we've
[2:33:05] Speaker 12: been having tonight again, the Black Star Network isn't owned
[2:33:09] Speaker 12: by Paramount. It is not a subsidiary of any of
[2:33:13] Speaker 12: these places. Barry Whites can't come in and force Ross
[2:33:17] Speaker 12: dohat a circus clown who he has a face made
[2:33:21] Speaker 12: for radio, cannot put him on the roster here at
[2:33:26] Speaker 12: the Black Star Network. So this is owned and operated
[2:33:29] Speaker 12: by the people. When you cite Cliff and Latasha, when
[2:33:32] Speaker 12: this Boso was vomiting in the United States Capital his
[2:33:35] Speaker 12: state of the Union, you had Cliff and April Albright
[2:33:39] Speaker 12: at the Black Star Network giving the state of our Union.
[2:33:41] Speaker 12: Prior to that, when Boso was vomiting, had Reverend Barbara there.
[2:33:44] Speaker 12: We have everything we need. And as Steve Phillips says,
[2:33:48] Speaker 12: they can't roll back the clock that ship has sailed.
[2:33:51] Speaker 12: You can assault as many people as you want, but
[2:33:54] Speaker 12: those numbers are never going back to the good old days.
[2:33:58] Speaker 12: There are more non white people under eight in this country,
[2:34:00] Speaker 12: and it's gonna get worse for you. This is their
[2:34:03] Speaker 12: desperate last stand. Let's break their political backs, and it
[2:34:06] Speaker 12: just requires you to get up and the register. Get up,
[2:34:08] Speaker 12: check your registration, and go out and vote. Reverend Barbara
[2:34:11] Speaker 12: said one hundred days leading up to it, let's march
[2:34:14] Speaker 12: to the pole. He told you that Rowland. He's telling
[2:34:17] Speaker 12: everybody if we do that, Don't you want your life
[2:34:20] Speaker 12: to be better. Don't you want your grandmother to have
[2:34:22] Speaker 12: a little bit better health care. Don't you want your
[2:34:24] Speaker 12: children to be able to go to school and you
[2:34:27] Speaker 12: have the things that other people have.
[2:34:28] Speaker 11: Don't you want to be able to eat?
[2:34:29] Speaker 12: Don't you want me to work one job and not
[2:34:32] Speaker 12: have to bust your ass piece and jobs together and
[2:34:34] Speaker 12: you still came up short at the end of the month.
[2:34:36] Speaker 11: If you don't want any of that, I absolutely.
[2:34:38] Speaker 12: Understand stay at home, But damn it, that's not a
[2:34:41] Speaker 12: decision that you're making. That's only going to impact you.
[2:34:44] Speaker 12: Your ignorant is gonna get us killed. And when it
[2:34:47] Speaker 12: comes down to fight in the street, you be the
[2:34:49] Speaker 12: first one run and talk about but where's the mirror?
[2:34:52] Speaker 12: Where's the police? Yeah, they on your ass and it's
[2:34:55] Speaker 12: your fault.
[2:34:57] Speaker 3: Last point I would make is this might be the
[2:35:00] Speaker 3: richest man in the world. You just heard what Greg said.
[2:35:04] Speaker 3: You can go to my iPad. This was the heel
[2:35:07] Speaker 3: On March thirty, twenty twenty five, must influence faces first
[2:35:11] Speaker 3: big test in Wisconsin. Elon Musk dropped twenty five million
[2:35:16] Speaker 3: dollars on the Wisconsin Supreme Court race and he lost.
[2:35:21] Speaker 3: I have told you all this, numerous taxes, you might
[2:35:25] Speaker 3: be a billionaire, but you only get one vote. You
[2:35:30] Speaker 3: might be able to spend one hundred million dollars on
[2:35:35] Speaker 3: in the election. That's what he's going to put in
[2:35:37] Speaker 3: his pack. But you know what, we can kick his
[2:35:41] Speaker 3: ass at the ballot box. If black people turn out
[2:35:46] Speaker 3: the way we should be turned. If black people in
[2:35:49] Speaker 3: twenty twenty six in November turn out the way we
[2:35:54] Speaker 3: did for Obama in two thousand and eight. In twenty twelve,
[2:35:58] Speaker 3: we will kick Elon musk ass. In Georgia, we will
[2:36:03] Speaker 3: kick his ass. In North Carolina, we will kick his ass.
[2:36:08] Speaker 3: In Ohio, we will kick his ass. In Texas. We
[2:36:13] Speaker 3: will kick his ass in Louisiana. All of that can
[2:36:19] Speaker 3: happen if we do our part. And let me be
[2:36:24] Speaker 3: real clear, if we do our part and vote in
[2:36:28] Speaker 3: a massive way, and if they lose, all we gotta say,
[2:36:34] Speaker 3: white folks, latinos Asian America, this on y'all, because we
[2:36:40] Speaker 3: did our part. We cannot we cannot win any of
[2:36:48] Speaker 3: these elections with forty eight, fifty two, fifty five, fifty
[2:36:54] Speaker 3: nine percent turnout.
[2:36:56] Speaker 4: No, that's right. It needs to be seventy percent or higher.
[2:37:01] Speaker 3: And y'all, I'm telling you, if black people turned out
[2:37:08] Speaker 3: at seventy percent of our numbers and we wiped out
[2:37:13] Speaker 3: the Republicans in those states, not only would we scare
[2:37:18] Speaker 3: and piss off Republicans, but we would scare the hell
[2:37:23] Speaker 3: out of every white Democratic consultant and every white Democratic poster,
[2:37:30] Speaker 3: and every white Democratic politician because they would not want
[2:37:36] Speaker 3: to see that black turnout hit them in a primary.
[2:37:44] Speaker 3: Greg Davis, I appreciate it, thanks for joining us. Receive
[2:37:47] Speaker 3: was I appreciate her bill on today's show as well, folks.
[2:37:51] Speaker 3: That is it for us. Tomorrow I'll be broadcasting live
[2:37:54] Speaker 3: from San Te, South Carolina. Occurrence in Jim Clyburn having
[2:37:58] Speaker 3: his annual golf tournament. I missed it for the last
[2:38:01] Speaker 3: two or three years, but I'm gonna be broadcasting from there.
[2:38:04] Speaker 3: Of course, they are celebrating there as well because South
[2:38:06] Speaker 3: Carolina will be first in the nation for the Democratic
[2:38:09] Speaker 3: primary in twenty twenty eight. We'll talk about that and
[2:38:12] Speaker 3: some other business as well. To look forward to being
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[2:40:23] Speaker 3: You're seeing me rocking the shirt today Resist forty seven.
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[2:40:49] Speaker 3: that's right, Zoom the camera out. All of these products
[2:40:52] Speaker 3: you see right here are black owned products, y'all. We
[2:40:54] Speaker 3: got dolls, we got candles, we got shaving cream, we
[2:40:59] Speaker 3: got a skincare for men and women, sauces, a pancake mix,
[2:41:04] Speaker 3: a baking mix, we got dog treats. Man, we got
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[2:41:27] Speaker 3: way of helping support black owned businesses. And that's why
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[2:41:36] Speaker 3: Don't forget down all the black on app fan base
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[2:41:43] Speaker 4: That's it. I'll see you.
[2:41:44] Speaker 3: Also, I did text consume in Jasmine Crockett and she said,
[2:41:48] Speaker 3: made it perfectly clear she is only endorsed in one
[2:41:52] Speaker 3: US Senate race, and that is in Texas, and so
[2:41:55] Speaker 3: she is not endorsed in any other Senate race in
[2:41:58] Speaker 3: any primary. So any anybody says that the Kum and
[2:42:01] Speaker 3: Jasmine Crockett has endorsed Hailey.
[2:42:03] Speaker 4: Stevens in Michigan. It's a lie.
[2:42:06] Speaker 3: I literally text her an hour ago and she said,
[2:42:09] Speaker 3: I've only made one endorsement in a US Senate race
[2:42:13] Speaker 3: the entire year, and that it's only been in Texas.
[2:42:16] Speaker 3: She'll make the decision what she does for the general
[2:42:19] Speaker 3: when all the primaries are over. Folks, that shit I'll
[2:42:22] Speaker 3: see all tomorrow right here. Roland Martin unfiltered on the
[2:42:25] Speaker 3: black Star Network.
[2:42:27] Speaker 4: How

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