# Madison Cop Shoots Black Man 3 Times. Black Teen Sues Over False Gun Claim. Mace Targets CBC

An episode of [#RolandMartinUnfiltered](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1434424449), 28 Jul 2026, 2 h 41 min.

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7.24.2026 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Madison Cop Shoots Black Man 3 Times. Black Teen Sues Over False Gun Claim. Mace Targets CBC _ The mother of a Black Wisconsin man shot three times by a Madison police officer speaks out for the first time. You'll hear what she had to say, and we'll talk with a city council member about the protests in a city on the brink of unrest. A Black Indiana teen who was falsely accused of pointing a gun at a white police officer is suing her and the city of Indianapolis. We'll talk to his attorney about the case. Louisiana Congressman Cleo Fields is not running for re-election but is seeking his old state senate seat. It's being called A Modern-Day Civil Rights March to Save Democracy. We'll talk to a couple of activists involved in the 1,000 Miles to Memphis, 36-day mission to register 100,000 voters. Bill O'Reilly and Geraldo Rivera clashed over who won the 2020 election. Racist Nancy Mace is targeting Congressional Caucus groups like the Congressional Black Caucus. We'll also talk with the founder of an organization that is assisting dis-enrolled incoming freshmen at Howard University. Black Star Network Partner: Chapter Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options. ____ Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:26] Speaker 1: So there's Friday, July twenty fourth, twenty twenty six coming up.
[0:29] Speaker 1: A rolling Martin on philtial extreaming live on the Black
[0:32] Speaker 1: Star Network. The mother a black Wisconsin man shot three
[0:35] Speaker 1: times by massive police officer speaks out for the first time.
[0:38] Speaker 2: Hear what she had to say.
[0:39] Speaker 1: We'll talking with the city council member about the protests
[0:42] Speaker 1: in the city.
[0:43] Speaker 2: On the brink of unrest.
[0:44] Speaker 1: A black Indiana team who was falsely accused of pointing
[0:46] Speaker 1: a gun at a white police officer is suing her
[0:48] Speaker 1: in the city of Indianapolis.
[0:50] Speaker 2: Will talk to his attorney.
[0:52] Speaker 1: Louisiana Congressman Cleio Fields is not running for reelection after
[0:56] Speaker 1: Republicans changed their maps. He's seeking his old state Senate seat.
[1:01] Speaker 1: I wish he didn't. It's being called a modern days
[1:04] Speaker 1: civil rights March to save democracy. We'll talk to a
[1:07] Speaker 1: couple of activists involved in the one thousand Miles to Memphis,
[1:10] Speaker 1: a thirty six day mission to register one hundred thousand voters.
[1:14] Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly and Heraulo rivera clash over who won the
[1:17] Speaker 1: twenty twenty election. I'm gonna show you the stupidity of
[1:19] Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly and that racist Nancy May, South Carolina congresswoman.
[1:24] Speaker 1: She's down targeting the Congressional Black Caucus and the other
[1:27] Speaker 1: Mardi caucuses. Let's just say they fired back with the quickness.
[1:31] Speaker 1: We'll also talk with the founder of an organization that
[1:34] Speaker 1: is assisting this enrolled incoming freshman at Howard University. Lastly,
[1:40] Speaker 1: more drama on Capitol Hills. CBC members fire back at
[1:44] Speaker 1: the nonsense. It's time to bring the funk on rolling,
[1:46] Speaker 1: marked on filter on the blackstud Network.
[1:48] Speaker 3: Let's go whatever it is God students, fact designed.
[1:57] Speaker 4: Helena blaves, he's right on time and.
[2:00] Speaker 5: Best belief.
[2:01] Speaker 6: He's going lost news to politics with entertainment.
[2:07] Speaker 7: Just book case.
[2:08] Speaker 3: He's it's rolling, He's poky stress.
[2:26] Speaker 8: She's real.
[2:27] Speaker 9: Do question, No, he's rolling.
[2:29] Speaker 1: Martin protests continued Maassy, Wisconsin. The black man is shot
[2:44] Speaker 1: by a white police officer, shot and keeled. The massive
[2:47] Speaker 1: protest broke out around the city on Wednesday and Thursday,
[2:50] Speaker 1: with demonstrators even interrupting the news conference of the Madison
[2:53] Speaker 1: Police Department. Chief Police say Corey Ruez was shot on
[2:57] Speaker 1: Wednesday when officers were responding to reports of an individual
[3:00] Speaker 1: trying to break into parked vehicles. Reports A Ruez left
[3:04] Speaker 1: the area on a bike before falling or being pulled
[3:07] Speaker 1: off the bike by four cops. During a struggle with
[3:10] Speaker 1: the officers, police claimed Ruez took out a knife and
[3:12] Speaker 1: injured one officer when another officers at timpted to restrain Ruez.
[3:16] Speaker 1: When a taser failed, the injured officer shot Ruez three
[3:20] Speaker 1: times in the head. All the officers involved in place
[3:23] Speaker 1: on administrative lead. None of the officers involved were wearing
[3:26] Speaker 1: body cameras at the time. A bodystander captured the only
[3:29] Speaker 1: video of the shooting. My It's a Justice Department Criminal
[4:17] Speaker 1: Investigation Division is now conducting the homicide investigation because law
[4:20] Speaker 1: enforcement was involved. At a news conference today, Ries's mother, Elisa,
[4:25] Speaker 1: expressed her grief and anger over her son's death.
[4:33] Speaker 10: My son, he was an exceptional guy.
[4:37] Speaker 8: He was my love.
[4:39] Speaker 11: He loved his daughter, he loved his family.
[4:43] Speaker 3: He did not deserve to taken out like that. They
[4:48] Speaker 3: took my baby from me.
[4:51] Speaker 11: I never thought I would have to be my baby
[4:53] Speaker 11: before you married me.
[4:56] Speaker 9: I would never.
[5:03] Speaker 1: As you see there, Attorney Bankrupt is part of the
[5:05] Speaker 1: legal team representing the family, joining us down to discuss
[5:08] Speaker 1: there's a Sabrina Madison, the Common Council President of Madison, lad.
[5:12] Speaker 2: To have you here.
[5:12] Speaker 1: What do you know thus far about what has happened here,
[5:15] Speaker 1: especially with the fact that there's no body camera footage
[5:18] Speaker 1: from the officers.
[5:21] Speaker 12: Yeah, I just first that video is very difficult. I
[5:26] Speaker 12: guess the first thing I'll just say is my thoughts
[5:30] Speaker 12: are always with Corey Ruiz's family. He should be here.
[5:36] Speaker 12: I personally do not think that that shooting was warranted.
[5:42] Speaker 12: What I saw, what I saw in the many videos
[5:44] Speaker 12: that you showed and the videos that we've seen across
[5:47] Speaker 12: social media.
[5:47] Speaker 7: I just I just think it was unwarranted.
[5:51] Speaker 12: What I know to be happening now is that the
[5:54] Speaker 12: Wisconsin Department of Criminal Investigations now is have.
[5:58] Speaker 7: Taken over the investigation.
[5:59] Speaker 12: Because Madison Police Department, of course, cannot investigate itself in
[6:02] Speaker 12: the state, that agency takes it over, and I expect,
[6:06] Speaker 12: my hope is that they would get this done as
[6:08] Speaker 12: soon as possible, and myself and others are encouraging them
[6:11] Speaker 12: to release information as soon as possible.
[6:15] Speaker 1: So The New York Times, supporting that Chief John Patterson
[6:17] Speaker 1: said the footage on social media only shows one perspective.
[6:20] Speaker 2: There were others well.
[6:21] Speaker 1: Part of the problem here is you don't have body cameras,
[6:24] Speaker 1: And you said the chief has.
[6:27] Speaker 2: Been pushing for that.
[6:28] Speaker 1: But how in the world, in this day and age,
[6:31] Speaker 1: police in Madison, Wisconsin don't have body cameras.
[6:37] Speaker 7: Sure I answer that for you.
[6:38] Speaker 12: So I joined Madison's Common Council in fall twenty twenty two.
[6:41] Speaker 7: Leading a few years leading up before I joined the common.
[6:43] Speaker 12: Council, this community overwhelmingly said that they did not support
[6:47] Speaker 12: bodygre cameras. And it's my understanding that the community or
[6:50] Speaker 12: the Madison Common Council at the time listen to those
[6:53] Speaker 12: community members, those organization leaders, and what the community members
[6:58] Speaker 12: and the organization leads were saying is that we don't
[7:01] Speaker 12: just want body warning cameras. We want investment in our community.
[7:04] Speaker 12: We don't want this without investment. I know, since then
[7:08] Speaker 12: there's been some other investments. For example, we have a
[7:10] Speaker 12: Cares program that you know, service folks who are experiencing
[7:13] Speaker 12: some sort of mental health crisis.
[7:15] Speaker 7: There have been investments in homelessness.
[7:17] Speaker 12: But at the time around that twenty twenty twenty one
[7:19] Speaker 12: twenty two, folks were saying that they did not want
[7:21] Speaker 12: these cameras. Since then, in the last couple of years,
[7:24] Speaker 12: that has been a push for them.
[7:26] Speaker 7: I think too.
[7:26] Speaker 12: When I joined the Common Council, our priority was implement
[7:31] Speaker 12: or I'm sorry, our priority was ensuring that we can
[7:33] Speaker 12: get our permanent shelter built for homeless men, because we
[7:36] Speaker 12: saw an increase in homelessness drastically, but we did not
[7:40] Speaker 12: see the same increase in our fund and we also
[7:42] Speaker 12: we actually solved decline in our shared revenue.
[7:45] Speaker 7: I will say last budget year.
[7:47] Speaker 12: November twenty twenty five, there were several orders who wanted
[7:51] Speaker 12: to defund the Office of the Independent Monitor.
[7:55] Speaker 7: The Council decided not to do that. They wanted to
[7:58] Speaker 7: take maybe.
[7:58] Speaker 12: Four hundreds some of my thousand and give it to
[8:01] Speaker 12: the Madison Police Department for body orn cameras. However, I
[8:05] Speaker 12: think most folks know that the investment is more than
[8:08] Speaker 12: a couple million dollars, and at the time last fall,
[8:12] Speaker 12: the chief was not ready with a budget proposal for us. However,
[8:15] Speaker 12: even though we did not support that effort to decline
[8:18] Speaker 12: to defund the Office of the Independent Monitor, we had
[8:21] Speaker 12: an open public meeting with the shelf the police chief,
[8:25] Speaker 12: and we our expectation for him was this year we
[8:29] Speaker 12: would get a budget proposal from him in order to
[8:32] Speaker 12: begin the implementation of those cameras. He has submitted his
[8:35] Speaker 12: capital budget requests, which would implement those cameras over three
[8:38] Speaker 12: year period. I believe his operating requests is now submitted.
[8:42] Speaker 12: They're not public yet. I haven't seen it yet, but
[8:44] Speaker 12: I do know his capital request has been made well.
[8:48] Speaker 1: I covered city Hall in Fort Worth County government in Austin, Texas,
[8:54] Speaker 1: and covered city city issues in Dallas, in Chicago, numerous places.
[9:00] Speaker 1: The council doesn't have to wait for the chief to
[9:03] Speaker 1: submit a budget request. Council members could have actually put
[9:06] Speaker 1: it in the budget themselves.
[9:07] Speaker 2: Why did that not happen?
[9:10] Speaker 12: Yeah, So, I guess the difference could be here is
[9:12] Speaker 12: that the mayor is. The mayor drafts the budget and
[9:16] Speaker 12: we could amend her budget. So in theory, yes, we
[9:18] Speaker 12: could have taken some things out of the budget in
[9:20] Speaker 12: order to implement bodywarn cameras, but there were no amendments,
[9:23] Speaker 12: with the exception of the amendment that would have defunded
[9:26] Speaker 12: the office.
[9:28] Speaker 7: That's the difference.
[9:29] Speaker 12: The mayor drafts the entire operating and the capital budget,
[9:33] Speaker 12: and then.
[9:33] Speaker 7: We can make amendments.
[9:34] Speaker 12: Sometimes there's maybe one hundred or two hundred thousand dollars
[9:37] Speaker 12: left over for us to divvy up and make some
[9:39] Speaker 12: other decisions about. But that did not happen last year,
[9:42] Speaker 12: where there was a push to cut other capital requests
[9:47] Speaker 12: and other operating requests in order to do Bodywarren cameras.
[9:50] Speaker 12: And my assumption or my guess is that didn't happen
[9:52] Speaker 12: at list. It didn't happen for me is because I
[9:55] Speaker 12: was wanting to ensure that we could house men who
[9:57] Speaker 12: were homeless.
[9:58] Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that you know, since reality,
[10:01] Speaker 1: California became the first city to actually utilize cameras, I've
[10:05] Speaker 1: always said it makes perfect sense because they're there to
[10:10] Speaker 1: protect police officers if someone says that they beat them
[10:13] Speaker 1: and that they didn't, and the flip side, it protects
[10:16] Speaker 1: the citizens as well. And so you know, the biggest
[10:19] Speaker 1: concern that I have right here is that you actually
[10:23] Speaker 1: won't have any actually any actual audio or video in
[10:28] Speaker 1: real time of what took place from the officers perspective.
[10:33] Speaker 1: Someone can say, well, this video started before, this started after,
[10:36] Speaker 1: we don't see the whole thing, and that's really what
[10:39] Speaker 1: we're now left up to interpretation.
[10:42] Speaker 12: So it sounds like and I understand that, I definitely
[10:45] Speaker 12: acknowledge that the lack of the City of Madison having
[10:48] Speaker 12: body wearn cameras. I guess again, at the same time,
[10:51] Speaker 12: I'm also acknowledging that at the time the common Council
[10:54] Speaker 12: back then, where the community was fighting for it, did
[10:56] Speaker 12: not take it up. And then this last year our
[10:59] Speaker 12: priority was homelessness, and so we did not take it up.
[11:02] Speaker 12: But this year we will. This will be funded in
[11:05] Speaker 12: our twenty twenty seven budget. But I guess I also
[11:08] Speaker 12: want to say not to make an excuse about not.
[11:10] Speaker 7: Having a cameras.
[11:10] Speaker 12: I do believe that there's dash cam footage, but that
[11:13] Speaker 12: is not a substitute for BODYWARNT cameras.
[11:16] Speaker 7: Of course.
[11:17] Speaker 1: All right, then, well, we certainly will continue to see
[11:21] Speaker 1: what happens with the story.
[11:22] Speaker 2: We appreciate it. Thanks a lot.
[11:24] Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks Roland, thanks a lot.
[11:26] Speaker 2: I want to bring my panel right now.
[11:27] Speaker 1: Cannus Kelly, legal analyst, hosts Takeaway with Cannus Kelly out
[11:30] Speaker 1: of South Orange, New Jersey. Matt Manning, civil rights attorney
[11:33] Speaker 1: out of Corpus Christie Michael m. Hotep host African History
[11:36] Speaker 1: Network show out of Detroit, Cannis. I'll start with you
[11:40] Speaker 1: the point I was making there, and this is going
[11:43] Speaker 1: to be the issue because you're not going to have
[11:47] Speaker 1: the beginning and the end. You really don't know what
[11:51] Speaker 1: precipitated this, you and depend upon the video. And when
[11:57] Speaker 1: the person started shooting again, they claim that a knife
[12:01] Speaker 1: was pulled out, Well, does the video show a knife
[12:04] Speaker 1: being pulled out? And you know, all of that is important,
[12:08] Speaker 1: which is why I just believe in twenty twenty six
[12:11] Speaker 1: there should be there should not be a single law
[12:14] Speaker 1: enforcement agency on the federal, state, county, city, school district level.
[12:20] Speaker 1: It does not have body cameras. And I also I've
[12:24] Speaker 1: been saying this for years that if the officers do
[12:26] Speaker 1: not turn on their body camera and do not turn
[12:29] Speaker 1: on their dashboard camera, or they turn off their body
[12:34] Speaker 1: camera or turn off that dashboard camera, that should result
[12:38] Speaker 1: in immediate termination.
[12:42] Speaker 13: And not only immediate termination, but just an immediate understanding
[12:47] Speaker 13: that they are trying to hide something if you have
[12:49] Speaker 13: a camera and you are trying to turn it off.
[12:52] Speaker 13: But you know, even if we don't have the specifics
[12:54] Speaker 13: about when the knife might have come out, or if
[12:57] Speaker 13: it came out or not or not, someone on the
[13:00] Speaker 13: ground looked, you know, from the view that we had
[13:03] Speaker 13: when we look at the use of force it did
[13:06] Speaker 13: not match the level. It appeared as if that gun
[13:09] Speaker 13: was right to his head and several shots were made.
[13:12] Speaker 13: How does that equate with a gun? These officers cannot
[13:16] Speaker 13: say that they felt their life was in danger, in
[13:19] Speaker 13: jeopardy and that that knife that was under his body
[13:22] Speaker 13: or somewhere at that point met up with that particular
[13:27] Speaker 13: those shots that went into him. And all of this
[13:30] Speaker 13: is evidence. If you don't have the body cam, if
[13:33] Speaker 13: you just have somebody who's you know, an innocent bystander's
[13:37] Speaker 13: who did the work that needed to be done, thank
[13:39] Speaker 13: goodness in this particular case, then at least you have
[13:42] Speaker 13: some evidence. But if you don't have a body cam,
[13:44] Speaker 13: you can't even build a case against the police officers.
[13:47] Speaker 13: So I don't see why there's any justification at all
[13:50] Speaker 13: why anybody would say, no, we do not need to
[13:53] Speaker 13: have body cams, regardless of what side you are on.
[13:56] Speaker 9: The prosecutors for the defense.
[13:57] Speaker 13: You need that body cam in order to make a
[13:59] Speaker 13: defense and nothing or to make a defense for yourself
[14:03] Speaker 13: and to make evidence.
[14:04] Speaker 9: And none of it makes sense. None of it makes sense.
[14:07] Speaker 2: Can y'all roll the video again?
[14:09] Speaker 1: I want to actually does the video that y'all have
[14:12] Speaker 1: start that we have to control. Start from the beginning. Okay,
[14:18] Speaker 1: all right, roll the video, y'all, roll it. Come on, no,
[14:22] Speaker 1: I need to hear audio. Guys, come to my iPad. Okay,
[14:43] Speaker 1: So I want you to come to my iPad. So
[14:46] Speaker 1: I'm sitting here scrolling this video here and then all
[14:52] Speaker 1: of a sudden, so I'm seeing it right here, and
[14:56] Speaker 1: we've got one officer on the ground to standing. Female
[15:00] Speaker 1: officer steps in, so you really have three officers. Another
[15:05] Speaker 1: officer just arrives on the scene. You now have three
[15:09] Speaker 1: officers who are there all of a sudden.
[15:16] Speaker 2: So, okay, so he's literally on the ground.
[15:22] Speaker 1: You see the officer what is back to us is
[15:25] Speaker 1: stepping on him and next thing, you know, So I'm
[15:32] Speaker 1: trying to see Okay, all right, So if I freeze it,
[15:42] Speaker 1: if I freeze, me go back if I freeze it.
[15:49] Speaker 1: So this is what I don't understand. I'm gonna freeze
[15:52] Speaker 1: it right here, zoom in right here.
[15:56] Speaker 2: Okay.
[15:57] Speaker 1: So, and I hate that it's grainy, but what you
[16:01] Speaker 1: will see right here, this officer who's in the center,
[16:05] Speaker 1: you literally have him on the ground. Matt. You've got
[16:09] Speaker 1: this officer on the right. His butt is to us.
[16:13] Speaker 1: He's the closest to him, and the council woman still
[16:18] Speaker 1: with us. He's closest to him, and he's closest to
[16:23] Speaker 1: his head. The second officer has his foot on him.
[16:28] Speaker 1: He's the second closest to him. And so then when
[16:33] Speaker 1: I go forward, all of a sudden, I see the
[16:35] Speaker 1: foot come down right there, right there. This is what now?
[16:42] Speaker 1: Right here, the third the middle officer, pulls his gun out,
[16:49] Speaker 1: points it directly action him and fires. I don't, Matt,
[16:56] Speaker 1: what are you making making this shooting.
[17:00] Speaker 4: I think it's a bad shoot. For lack of a
[17:03] Speaker 4: better term, as people would say, I think he's going
[17:06] Speaker 4: to have trouble getting overqualified immunity. Let me explain very
[17:11] Speaker 4: quickly how the law works and why I think in
[17:13] Speaker 4: this case they're going to have trouble. So the case,
[17:16] Speaker 4: the primary case from the Supreme Court that applies in
[17:18] Speaker 4: excessive four situations is a case called Graham versus Connor,
[17:22] Speaker 4: and it's got a three part test and it basically
[17:23] Speaker 4: asks what is the severity of the crime, what is
[17:26] Speaker 4: the immediacy of the threat, and is the person actively
[17:29] Speaker 4: attempting to flee the situation? And the problem that I
[17:33] Speaker 4: think they're going to have here is as it relates
[17:35] Speaker 4: to the immediacy of the threat, They're almost certainly going
[17:37] Speaker 4: to beat the drum and say he had a fixed
[17:39] Speaker 4: blade knife. A knife can cause harm. What's going to
[17:42] Speaker 4: muddy the waters, just from a legal analysis is the
[17:45] Speaker 4: fact that the officer who's closest to his head is
[17:48] Speaker 4: close to where the knife could theoretically be wielded. But
[17:52] Speaker 4: the problem is, you don't have to overlook the evidence
[17:55] Speaker 4: to your point about body cams earlier in making the
[17:58] Speaker 4: determination as to whether he should get qualified immunity. And
[18:01] Speaker 4: I think the problem they're going to have here to
[18:03] Speaker 4: your point is, even notwithstanding the severity of alleged crimes
[18:08] Speaker 4: or whatever they allege, the fact that he has a knife,
[18:11] Speaker 4: if he does actually have a knife, you can see
[18:14] Speaker 4: that that knife is not being brandished, nobody's being held
[18:16] Speaker 4: at knife point, he's not waiving it. The mere presence
[18:19] Speaker 4: of the knife is not justification to use force, let
[18:22] Speaker 4: alone deadly force. So this is in the Seventh Circuit.
[18:26] Speaker 4: I believe Wisconsin. I'm not as familiar with their law
[18:28] Speaker 4: as I am the Fifth Circuit, but I think they're
[18:30] Speaker 4: going to have difficulty saying that he was actually posing
[18:34] Speaker 4: a threat outside of the presence of the weapon, particularly
[18:38] Speaker 4: if in the state of Wisconsin you can legally have
[18:40] Speaker 4: a fixed blade knife, if it's a pocket knife or
[18:42] Speaker 4: whatever else. If you can legally have that and willed it,
[18:45] Speaker 4: then the law presumes you can do so legally. So
[18:48] Speaker 4: I tell you all of that to say to your point,
[18:51] Speaker 4: he's very obviously not menacing anyone or trying to hurt
[18:54] Speaker 4: someone with the knife. And that's going to be the
[18:55] Speaker 4: calculus the court looks at in the determination of is
[18:59] Speaker 4: there an immediacy of the threat? Was he actually brandishing
[19:01] Speaker 4: the weapon? Was he trying to harm anyone? It's obvious
[19:04] Speaker 4: that he wasn't. The problem is with qualified immunity, they
[19:08] Speaker 4: still get to argue that they were wrong in their
[19:11] Speaker 4: appraisal of the situation, but that they should have absolution,
[19:15] Speaker 4: they should be covered because of the circumstances. And that's
[19:18] Speaker 4: really going to be the legal question in this case.
[19:20] Speaker 4: Is the officer who was closer to his head, who
[19:23] Speaker 4: was potentially closer to the knife. Was it a justified
[19:27] Speaker 4: shooting from the officer in the middle who fired his
[19:29] Speaker 4: weapon if he claims that he was afraid that other
[19:33] Speaker 4: officer was going to be stabbed or hurt with the knife.
[19:35] Speaker 4: I mean, that's almost certainly what they're going to say.
[19:37] Speaker 4: And maybe he says it was himself he was in
[19:40] Speaker 4: fear of his own safety. But the court is going
[19:42] Speaker 4: to look at that in the context of the video footage,
[19:45] Speaker 4: and the video very clearly shows this man is on
[19:47] Speaker 4: his back, he's not wielding the weapon, he's not trying
[19:49] Speaker 4: to harm anybody. So that's going to be the legal analysis.
[19:52] Speaker 4: And looking at that, just this snapshot, I think they're
[19:55] Speaker 4: going to have trouble saying it was a good shoot
[19:57] Speaker 4: and that it was a justified use of force.
[20:00] Speaker 1: The councilwoman's still there again as I scrub through this,
[20:05] Speaker 1: and again I'm just right here on the iPad.
[20:08] Speaker 2: So come back to my iPad right now. So here's
[20:10] Speaker 2: what you see.
[20:11] Speaker 1: You see their three officers, and then all of a sudden,
[20:15] Speaker 1: you see this one officer who is reaching for his taser,
[20:19] Speaker 1: I believe. Now you look at the female officer who
[20:22] Speaker 1: comes in. She has her taser out and you see
[20:27] Speaker 1: her point not sure she fires the taser. Now, all
[20:31] Speaker 1: of a sudden, the second officer right here, this guy
[20:34] Speaker 1: right you see him, he's got his taser and then
[20:38] Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're trying us to do him.
[20:40] Speaker 1: Now they take him to the ground. Now this is
[20:43] Speaker 1: the point. Right here, he is laying down. We don't
[20:48] Speaker 1: see his right arm. We can't see if there is
[20:52] Speaker 1: a weapon. Two of the four officers they've got their
[20:56] Speaker 1: tasers out. All of a sudden, he is literally on
[21:00] Speaker 1: the ground on his side. Officer on the right has
[21:03] Speaker 1: his left knee in his back, has his left knee
[21:07] Speaker 1: in his back, He has both hands on rue is.
[21:12] Speaker 1: The officer in the middle is stepping on him. And
[21:16] Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, while he is literally on
[21:19] Speaker 1: the ground and you can tell he's not his arms
[21:24] Speaker 1: are not above his shoulders. Then that fourth officer that's
[21:28] Speaker 1: right in the center pulls his gun out, and not
[21:31] Speaker 1: only pulls his gun out, points he does it. He
[21:36] Speaker 1: doesn't yell stop it or I'll shoot.
[21:40] Speaker 2: Doesn't happened.
[21:41] Speaker 1: He immediately fires right into him. I'm gonna play this
[21:47] Speaker 1: zoom then and you can see it.
[21:49] Speaker 14: Turn it up.
[22:04] Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna scrub this back. Give me one second,
[22:09] Speaker 1: Give me one second. I want to do something right here.
[22:13] Speaker 1: Let me zoom in here, me hold up, let me
[22:16] Speaker 1: zoom in here. Okay, counsel woman. It was literally ten
[22:36] Speaker 1: seconds from the start of that video. It was ten
[22:43] Speaker 1: seconds before an officer fired three shots. Yep.
[22:47] Speaker 12: And there was a local outlet here, local media outlet,
[22:50] Speaker 12: that reporter there was. It was actually three seconds between
[22:53] Speaker 12: the taser and the three shots.
[22:55] Speaker 2: Right, that was a tager.
[22:56] Speaker 1: It was ten seconds from the beginning, from the beginning
[22:59] Speaker 1: of this video, so the three of them are sitting.
[23:02] Speaker 1: Fourth officer comes in. It was ten point two three seconds.
[23:06] Speaker 2: Yep.
[23:07] Speaker 7: I'm seeing what you're seeing.
[23:09] Speaker 12: And I mean, if we have officers who can't de escalate,
[23:12] Speaker 12: there is what four officers out there? This is this
[23:17] Speaker 12: makes no sense.
[23:18] Speaker 7: It makes no sense at all.
[23:23] Speaker 14: Michael, Yeah, you know. This is a tragic event.
[23:31] Speaker 11: Another tragedy is complicated by the lack of body cam footage,
[23:36] Speaker 11: so we can see different angles from the officers as
[23:41] Speaker 11: they engage with Corey Ruez. It's also now I saw
[23:48] Speaker 11: the story from ABC News, I read the article from
[23:54] Speaker 11: the Associated Press. It's also complicated because in the account
[24:01] Speaker 11: from the police chief, a taser, they attempted to deploy
[24:06] Speaker 11: a taser, something happened, either it didn't deploy or what
[24:10] Speaker 11: have you. And then also the police chief alleges that
[24:14] Speaker 11: one of the officers was injured by the knife. Now
[24:17] Speaker 11: we don't know if the officer fell on the knife.
[24:20] Speaker 11: We don't know if Corey allegedly stabbed or cut the
[24:24] Speaker 11: officer with the knife.
[24:25] Speaker 14: Uh.
[24:26] Speaker 11: So, trying to get the order in which everything happened.
[24:30] Speaker 11: If it was a situation where a subject stabs a
[24:35] Speaker 11: officer with the knife and another officer uh draws his
[24:40] Speaker 11: gun to shoot, well you now you have a deadly
[24:44] Speaker 11: weapon being used, a knife.
[24:47] Speaker 1: Why yeah, But here's the problem.
[24:48] Speaker 2: Here's the problem.
[24:51] Speaker 1: Hold on, no row, no, hold on. I found another angle,
[24:56] Speaker 1: so hold on. Okay, okay, So this is another angle.
[25:00] Speaker 1: This is the angle that's from the perspective of the
[25:05] Speaker 1: female off anger. So here's what you'll see right here.
[25:09] Speaker 1: What you'll see right here, you'll you'll see that the
[25:12] Speaker 1: officer who shot him. You see, his hand is extended
[25:17] Speaker 1: and he and so all of a sudden, he stands up. Now,
[25:23] Speaker 1: this is what I don't so right here. Now what
[25:26] Speaker 1: you see right here is now you see. So I'm
[25:28] Speaker 1: going to go back here. Okay. So the officer who
[25:32] Speaker 1: shot him is on his knees. The second officer is
[25:35] Speaker 1: on his knees. Then all of a sudden, they so,
[25:38] Speaker 1: you see they pull him up. Now I don't I
[25:41] Speaker 1: don't understand the logic behind that either, So they they
[25:45] Speaker 1: so they pull him up.
[25:48] Speaker 14: Then they.
[25:50] Speaker 1: Turning, turning, turning, turning.
[25:53] Speaker 2: Second officer comes in.
[25:55] Speaker 1: Now you're going to see right here, the officer who
[25:57] Speaker 1: fired the fatal shot. He is on his knees and
[26:02] Speaker 1: he's reaching for his weapon. You see it right here,
[26:06] Speaker 1: he's reaching for he's reaching for his weapon. One second
[26:12] Speaker 1: right here. Then all of a sudden, Now does he
[26:21] Speaker 1: think he's reaching for his taser or his gun? All
[26:25] Speaker 1: of a sudden, you see it right here. Female officer
[26:28] Speaker 1: on the left, she is stepping in with taser. Third
[26:31] Speaker 1: officer right here, You see him stepping on him to
[26:34] Speaker 1: get him to stop. Then you see the officer draw
[26:38] Speaker 1: his weapon, extend his arm. That's his weapon, right that's
[26:48] Speaker 1: his weapon. Now again, his argument may be like it
[26:54] Speaker 1: was in Tulsa, Oh, they were reaching for the taser.
[26:58] Speaker 1: He may have thought he had the tail and not
[27:01] Speaker 1: his gun. But that's him reaching in right here with
[27:04] Speaker 1: this gun right here. Now, what I don't understand from
[27:09] Speaker 1: the police chief where an officer could have been injured
[27:13] Speaker 1: with a knife anywhere in here. When this officer right
[27:16] Speaker 1: here has got he's the closest, he's the only one
[27:19] Speaker 1: who's on the body his knick, you see it right here.
[27:26] Speaker 2: They got to explain that angle.
[27:29] Speaker 11: Like I was saying, is it really complicates things when
[27:33] Speaker 11: you don't have bodycam footage to really see from the
[27:37] Speaker 11: different angles what would happened that.
[27:40] Speaker 2: Now.
[27:40] Speaker 11: Lastly, you know, there have been a lot of people
[27:45] Speaker 11: who advocate and I've known people in the past who
[27:49] Speaker 11: did training for police in jiu jitsu and martial arts.
[27:53] Speaker 11: Because the way that I don't I don't know who
[27:57] Speaker 11: trained these officers.
[27:59] Speaker 14: That's not how you take down a subject.
[28:02] Speaker 11: Usually, when you have officers working together, you have one
[28:05] Speaker 11: maybe do a double leg take down from behind.
[28:08] Speaker 14: You have one that will sustain, will.
[28:13] Speaker 11: Immobilize one limb while the other immobilizes the other limb.
[28:17] Speaker 11: These officers here, I don't know what type of training
[28:19] Speaker 11: that is. That's that's not how you safely subdue a
[28:24] Speaker 11: subject that will avoid somebody from being killed.
[28:28] Speaker 1: Well again, again, the reality is you've got four police
[28:33] Speaker 1: officers who are on the scene.
[28:35] Speaker 2: A fifth one pulls up.
[28:37] Speaker 1: In this video here you see how they are subduing
[28:42] Speaker 1: him and if anybody, if anybody, just as basic as
[28:45] Speaker 1: all get out, A councilwoman, you see it right here
[28:49] Speaker 1: is real basic. Anybody watches this video can conclude that
[28:54] Speaker 1: if you've got four officers surrounding one person, and when
[28:58] Speaker 1: that person goes to the that person goes to the ground,
[29:02] Speaker 1: give me one second that person goes to the ground.
[29:06] Speaker 1: This person is completely on his side. One officer has
[29:10] Speaker 1: his head, One officer in the middle is stepping on him,
[29:13] Speaker 1: pushing his leg down. One officer has his left knee
[29:18] Speaker 1: on his hip, has his left hand on his left shoulder,
[29:23] Speaker 1: has his right hand appears to be on his head.
[29:27] Speaker 2: What logic would one officer pull his.
[29:30] Speaker 1: Gun out at point blank range and fire three times
[29:34] Speaker 1: when the man is subdued.
[29:37] Speaker 12: I don't believe that was a logical decision, a logical choice.
[29:40] Speaker 12: To me, the option to shoot this gentleman and to
[29:43] Speaker 12: shoot Cory at this time made no sense. You have
[29:46] Speaker 12: an officer, like you said, on his back, you have
[29:48] Speaker 12: one who's put his foot down. There's a female officer
[29:50] Speaker 12: in front of him. I believe you know, the pointing
[29:52] Speaker 12: her taser. Maybe, but either way, there are four officers
[29:56] Speaker 12: with this gentleman they've.
[29:57] Speaker 7: Already got him down, so I do not agree.
[30:00] Speaker 12: And at the one of the options that doing him
[30:02] Speaker 12: should have been to shoot him three times in a
[30:04] Speaker 12: It just makes no sense.
[30:05] Speaker 1: He does not will continue to follow this, folks case
[30:10] Speaker 1: as we continue. Let me go to a con went,
[30:12] Speaker 1: We appreciate it.
[30:12] Speaker 2: Thanks she a lot. Let me go to a break.
[30:14] Speaker 1: We'll be right back Roland Martin unfiltered right here on
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[33:08] Speaker 1: Michael McMillan, President and CEO of the Urban League of
[33:11] Speaker 1: Metropolitan Saint Louis, and you were watching Roland Martin unfiltered.
[33:22] Speaker 1: A black eighteen year old is soon the city of
[33:24] Speaker 1: Indianapolis and an Indiapolis police officer who lied about him
[33:28] Speaker 1: pointing a gun at her. On April twelfth, Dalen Brewer
[33:31] Speaker 1: was charged with multiple fillony charges, including attempted murder. According
[33:34] Speaker 1: to court wrecords, Dalen parked his car at a local
[33:37] Speaker 1: park with Sergeant Robin Fraser approached and noticed a handgun
[33:41] Speaker 1: resting on his lap. Mirren County prosecutors dismissed every charge,
[33:44] Speaker 1: saying the body camera footage did not support Fraser's.
[33:47] Speaker 2: Version of the events.
[33:49] Speaker 1: Bruce lawsuit claims Fraser volleated his fourth and fourteenth Amendment rights.
[33:53] Speaker 1: Attorney Terrence Cannard represents Dalen join us right now, Terrence,
[33:56] Speaker 1: this isn't something that we talk about all the time.
[33:59] Speaker 1: Officer will lie in their reports, leads to charges. And luckily,
[34:06] Speaker 1: because I take it, there was bodycam footage that.
[34:10] Speaker 2: That disputed what she had to say.
[34:12] Speaker 1: And if the bodycam footage ain't fair, they're gonna bleed
[34:15] Speaker 1: a cop. And so she lies.
[34:17] Speaker 16: Correct, So she lied, and Roland, what's important to note
[34:22] Speaker 16: in your opening there, it wasn't just that bodycm exonerated
[34:27] Speaker 16: my client, mister Brewer. It was it was Sergeant Brewer's
[34:30] Speaker 16: own body cam. And again the bodycam that she was
[34:33] Speaker 16: wearing was her exact view of the events at the
[34:36] Speaker 16: time they occurred, So the body cam was basically mimicking
[34:39] Speaker 16: her own visual site. So once she did all the
[34:43] Speaker 16: things she did to effect and arrest, develop a police
[34:46] Speaker 16: report and a narrative, recommend particular charges including attempted murder
[34:52] Speaker 16: against mister Brewer, and then filed that to be reviewed
[34:55] Speaker 16: by a judge and the prosecuting attorney. There were questions
[34:59] Speaker 16: raised about the events, and so they looked at her
[35:02] Speaker 16: bodycam footage, and her own bodycam footage did not belye
[35:05] Speaker 16: or make out or demonstrate what she had made in
[35:08] Speaker 16: her report.
[35:09] Speaker 4: Apparently, when she.
[35:10] Speaker 16: Was questioned about those things, the prosecutor felt that there
[35:13] Speaker 16: was no way he could go forward charges and charges
[35:15] Speaker 16: were dismissed, but not until mister Brewer served about four
[35:18] Speaker 16: days in the Marion County while here in Indianapolis, losing
[35:21] Speaker 16: his freedom, particularly almost losing his job. But nonetheless, this
[35:25] Speaker 16: young man his reputation in the community. Here's someone with
[35:28] Speaker 16: no criminal history to speak of. Now he's labeled a
[35:32] Speaker 16: criminal labeled a fell in. Not only just label to
[35:35] Speaker 16: fell in. The police have a particular website they use
[35:38] Speaker 16: here where they like to use pr to show the
[35:41] Speaker 16: number of felony arrests and how they're dealing with crime
[35:44] Speaker 16: in the community. They placed this particular rest in that platform,
[35:48] Speaker 16: showed it to the entire world basically, and even after
[35:50] Speaker 16: he was exonerated, they still haven't removed it.
[35:53] Speaker 1: All right, I want us to start the video from
[35:57] Speaker 1: the beginning, sound up so I can hear what happen.
[36:14] Speaker 9: Why do you need to meet.
[36:16] Speaker 8: The part.
[36:20] Speaker 2: That I'm right now?
[36:29] Speaker 8: Don't get.
[36:33] Speaker 9: I need another cart here now, don't love.
[36:36] Speaker 17: Don't do not fucking Look?
[37:20] Speaker 18: Is that.
[37:28] Speaker 9: The weather on them?
[37:49] Speaker 1: So this is what? So this is her camera, we're
[37:54] Speaker 1: seeing it. So what she did was she went in
[37:59] Speaker 1: her car. All right, I gotta figure out. I'm gonna say, oh, okay,
[38:04] Speaker 1: this would happened. And we've covered so many of these
[38:09] Speaker 1: stories where the cops lie on reports and if there's
[38:17] Speaker 1: no boy stay in the video, if there's no bodycam footage,
[38:21] Speaker 1: you know what happens the auto the public goes up,
[38:26] Speaker 1: cop gets the benefit of the doubt that must have happened.
[38:29] Speaker 1: And so this man and see. And this is the
[38:32] Speaker 1: thing that which why I think the lawsuit makes sense.
[38:35] Speaker 1: Anything could have happened. He could have been shot.
[38:39] Speaker 16: Yes, and remember in her reporter, if you had a
[38:42] Speaker 16: chance to review it, she alleges that he points the
[38:44] Speaker 16: gun at the door. She says, he's got the gun
[38:47] Speaker 16: in his lap, pointing at the door. Wow, to charge
[38:50] Speaker 16: him with attempted murder?
[38:52] Speaker 1: Rolling video again, Roll the video again while he's talking,
[38:55] Speaker 1: So y'all can see what that doesn't even happen.
[38:57] Speaker 2: Go ahead, doesn't even happen, So keep keep talking.
[39:02] Speaker 14: So she lives he pointed the gun.
[39:04] Speaker 16: Or right, Yeah, she's a legend. At that moment, he's
[39:07] Speaker 16: pointing a gun at the door that she sus.
[39:09] Speaker 2: To open, breeze.
[39:10] Speaker 1: He got his left hand up. At no point is
[39:14] Speaker 1: he pointing the gun.
[39:16] Speaker 14: No.
[39:16] Speaker 16: Now, he does have a gun in his left and
[39:18] Speaker 16: he has a constitutional right to carry. But one of
[39:20] Speaker 16: the things I point out to folks, Dalen does everything
[39:23] Speaker 16: I would tell my four sons to do if encountered
[39:25] Speaker 16: by law enforcement.
[39:26] Speaker 1: He's keeping the video going command, his hands up.
[39:30] Speaker 16: Back, He's not being aggressive. He's literally doing everything we
[39:33] Speaker 16: teach our black children to do. When you encounter the cops.
[39:36] Speaker 16: He does everything by the book, there's nothing I can
[39:38] Speaker 16: point to, and says, well, if you'd have done this,
[39:40] Speaker 16: in fact, if you go back right before, she says,
[39:43] Speaker 16: put your effing hands up, roll efing shoots you right
[39:45] Speaker 16: before she says that he drops his hand, so she
[39:47] Speaker 16: tries to point to that. But what we later find
[39:49] Speaker 16: out is he's trying to undo the seat belt because
[39:51] Speaker 16: she's giving him conflicting commands get.
[39:53] Speaker 10: Out of the car.
[39:53] Speaker 16: Well, he's got a seat belt on, so he goes
[39:55] Speaker 16: to undo it, and then she uses for fanity and
[39:58] Speaker 16: threatens that she's going.
[39:58] Speaker 4: To shoot him. Wow, all this aggressive.
[40:01] Speaker 16: Takeover, giving him conflicting messages, and when she realizes, I'm
[40:06] Speaker 16: assuming she realizes at some point she's made a mistake,
[40:09] Speaker 16: she screwed up. So then she develops this narrative and
[40:12] Speaker 16: you hit the nail right on the head. If there's
[40:15] Speaker 16: no body camera, who do they believe me or the cop?
[40:19] Speaker 1: Why does she approach him in the first place?
[40:23] Speaker 14: So we don't know the answer.
[40:26] Speaker 1: What we do know is, well, roll the video backs,
[40:28] Speaker 1: rolling video back to the beginning, and keep talking because
[40:31] Speaker 1: I want to see keep talking.
[40:32] Speaker 2: I want because go ahead.
[40:35] Speaker 10: So as she's pulling in. She she gets in her
[40:37] Speaker 10: car because she had been outside the car.
[40:39] Speaker 16: Dalen and his companion pull into the park and they
[40:42] Speaker 16: drive past her patrol car. Now she's not blocking answer,
[40:45] Speaker 16: she's not preventing you from coming in. They simply drive
[40:48] Speaker 16: by her reverse park into their space, and then she
[40:50] Speaker 16: decides to.
[40:51] Speaker 10: Roll up on them.
[40:53] Speaker 16: What reason, She never really gives why she approached them,
[40:56] Speaker 16: but she approaches them, and she says that at this moment,
[40:58] Speaker 16: right before she opens that door, she says, he's pointing
[41:00] Speaker 16: the gun at the door panel, and that's what she
[41:03] Speaker 16: uses as the basis for attempted murder. Moments ago, you
[41:05] Speaker 16: saw him drop his hand. He's trying to undo the
[41:07] Speaker 16: seatbelt because she's screaming for him to get out of
[41:09] Speaker 16: the car. And then when he does that, she threatens
[41:10] Speaker 16: to kill him.
[41:11] Speaker 1: And if he doesn't do it, he's resisting arrest and
[41:15] Speaker 1: resisting a lawful order.
[41:17] Speaker 10: That's correct, which is one of the things she actually
[41:19] Speaker 10: charged him with.
[41:19] Speaker 16: So she charged him with a you know, intimidation, pointing
[41:22] Speaker 16: the firearm, resisting an attempted murder.
[41:25] Speaker 1: Is she still on the force.
[41:27] Speaker 10: Well, that's what we don't know.
[41:29] Speaker 16: The city has been essentially tight lipped about that, So
[41:32] Speaker 16: I don't know if she's going to be going to
[41:33] Speaker 16: grand jury.
[41:34] Speaker 10: But rest assured.
[41:35] Speaker 16: We're pushing the issue on that, and we're asking our
[41:37] Speaker 16: county prosecutor to be more transparent. What's going on with
[41:41] Speaker 16: this officer or is she going to the merrit board?
[41:43] Speaker 16: Are you looking to convene a grand jury? What's occurring here,
[41:46] Speaker 16: because clearly you've demonstrated she's she's at least committed misconduct, right,
[41:53] Speaker 16: And here's the other problem.
[41:54] Speaker 10: I did an official report.
[41:55] Speaker 1: The other problem is if you're a client falled ay
[41:58] Speaker 1: filed a false police for he would be charged.
[42:02] Speaker 10: He would be charged. He would be looking at somewhere.
[42:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
[42:06] Speaker 14: Look, he's looking at a felony.
[42:07] Speaker 16: If he fillows a false report, he's looking at a felony,
[42:09] Speaker 16: and he's likely going to do some time.
[42:11] Speaker 14: So she files a false report, Yeah, and.
[42:15] Speaker 10: We don't know what happens.
[42:15] Speaker 16: There's tight lift or secrecy in this, and hey, we're
[42:17] Speaker 16: still investigating. Well what are you investigating? Because you've seen
[42:20] Speaker 16: the video. He's the man sat in jail for four
[42:23] Speaker 16: days before you released him, and he released him after
[42:25] Speaker 16: dismissing all the charges because you realize what was alleged
[42:28] Speaker 16: to have occurred.
[42:28] Speaker 10: Isn't actually what happened. So so what's what's the next
[42:32] Speaker 10: step from.
[42:33] Speaker 16: The city standpoint? You know, Dylan has showing you what
[42:35] Speaker 16: his next step is. He's taking this to review. He's
[42:38] Speaker 16: filed a federal lawsuit. So what's the city's next step
[42:41] Speaker 16: in addressing this this wrongdoing? And they haven't, they haven't
[42:44] Speaker 16: come forward an answer to that.
[42:46] Speaker 1: Someone in the chat asked a question, is this cop
[42:49] Speaker 1: black or white?
[42:51] Speaker 10: She is she is Caucasian. That's best to my knowledge.
[42:54] Speaker 2: All rights come out. We appreciate it.
[42:56] Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, absolutely, all right, Dan Matt. This is
[42:59] Speaker 1: the thing that we talk about all the time. These
[43:04] Speaker 1: cops can lie with impunity. They can just make shit
[43:10] Speaker 1: up and write it down, and thank goodness, there's body
[43:15] Speaker 1: cam footage that disputes every lie she told.
[43:20] Speaker 4: Well, first, I'm mad I didn't get to talk to
[43:23] Speaker 4: the brother because he's a hero in my house. He
[43:25] Speaker 4: did extraordinary work in that Natalia Grace case and I
[43:28] Speaker 4: wanted to tell him as much.
[43:30] Speaker 1: So he's all we still see, we still got him,
[43:32] Speaker 1: We still got him. Bring him up. Go ahead, say
[43:35] Speaker 1: what you want to say.
[43:36] Speaker 4: He's a hero in my house.
[43:37] Speaker 19: Man.
[43:37] Speaker 4: I watched every bit of that and I was like,
[43:39] Speaker 4: that's that man is a dog. So I wanted to
[43:42] Speaker 4: show you love, brother Canard. I thought you did a
[43:44] Speaker 4: hell of a job in that case. I know it's
[43:45] Speaker 4: in relationship, thank you, But in any event, in this case, Roland,
[43:50] Speaker 4: I've actually had a fabricated evidence case, which is a
[43:52] Speaker 4: Fourteenth Amendment substitute due process issue, and mine was kind
[43:57] Speaker 4: of crazy situation. To keep it very short, my client
[43:59] Speaker 4: was an Navy veteran, almost eighty year old Navy veteran.
[44:02] Speaker 4: He told me a version of events that did not
[44:04] Speaker 4: job with what the police officer had. Police officer did
[44:07] Speaker 4: not have bodycam footage, didn't have dash cam footage. It
[44:10] Speaker 4: was a fanciful story about my client driving over his foot,
[44:13] Speaker 4: which was not proven. We settled the case. I tell
[44:16] Speaker 4: you that to say, two weeks ago, local prosecutor sends
[44:20] Speaker 4: out a thing saying they're not sponsoring any of his
[44:22] Speaker 4: cases because they found other instances where he lied. So
[44:26] Speaker 4: this kind of thing happens all the time, and what
[44:28] Speaker 4: I'm hoping happens is that the county prosecutor there looks
[44:31] Speaker 4: at every case she's been involved in, because there might
[44:34] Speaker 4: have been people who've fled out behind her lying, you know,
[44:37] Speaker 4: her lying in reports. But I'm sure Terrence can tell
[44:40] Speaker 4: you this happens all the time. I see it all
[44:41] Speaker 4: the time, and it's not always as brazen as this.
[44:44] Speaker 4: A lot of times it's a gross mischaracterization of what happened.
[44:47] Speaker 4: It's close to what happened, but when you look at
[44:50] Speaker 4: their bodycam, it's not what happened at all. But in
[44:53] Speaker 4: this situation, for her to do that, especially in the
[44:55] Speaker 4: state like Indiana, that's like Texas, where a lot of
[44:58] Speaker 4: people have firearms, so police officers come to cars knowing
[45:01] Speaker 4: there we'll be firearms there. And for you to say
[45:03] Speaker 4: somebody's pointing a firearm at a gun is a very
[45:06] Speaker 4: specific allegation. Had she written it like there was the
[45:10] Speaker 4: presence of a firearm or something that's nebulous at the
[45:13] Speaker 4: very least, maybe you'd have a plausible deniability. But this
[45:16] Speaker 4: is just a blatant lie. And I see this all
[45:18] Speaker 4: the time in my criminal cases. I see it in
[45:20] Speaker 4: my civil cases. But to your larger point, it's very
[45:23] Speaker 4: uncommon that the police departments actually punish people for this,
[45:28] Speaker 4: that they punish them for these mischaracterizations, and we see
[45:31] Speaker 4: some of the big ones, but this happens all the time.
[45:34] Speaker 4: This is not surprising to me. Now, I don't normally
[45:37] Speaker 4: see it this brazen. But what I also don't understand
[45:41] Speaker 4: is how often it happens that police officers forget they
[45:43] Speaker 4: have a bodycam on because they write a report that
[45:47] Speaker 4: is not consistent with the bodycam footage. You watch the
[45:49] Speaker 4: bodycam footage and you see that they're out and out lying.
[45:52] Speaker 4: So I'm glad he's got you, Terrence. I have no
[45:55] Speaker 4: question you're going to do a hell of a job
[45:57] Speaker 4: on this case having seen your work, and I really
[46:00] Speaker 4: think the City of Indianapolis is almost certainly not going
[46:02] Speaker 4: to want to go to distance with this case. I mean,
[46:05] Speaker 4: I don't know seventh Circuit case law, but even in
[46:07] Speaker 4: the fifth circuit, they probably want to write a check
[46:09] Speaker 4: on this one because it's just a blatant lie and
[46:11] Speaker 4: there's no defense to this position at all.
[46:14] Speaker 1: So this is also why Candae, this is a why
[46:20] Speaker 1: black folks don't trust police, And the problem with leadership
[46:25] Speaker 1: that Terrence laid out is that leadership is not doing
[46:29] Speaker 1: anything about it.
[46:31] Speaker 14: I'm sorry she found out a lot on the report.
[46:34] Speaker 1: And that to me is what is constantly problematic here that,
[46:38] Speaker 1: as Terrence told us, this young man, no record, no history,
[46:43] Speaker 1: gets who's just pulling it to a parking spot, gunpointed
[46:47] Speaker 1: at him, could have got shot, spends four days in jail.
[46:52] Speaker 1: And I'm sorry somebody who once got held in a
[46:58] Speaker 1: holding sale because my freeing had to come from for
[47:02] Speaker 1: like an hour because they didn't get the because the
[47:04] Speaker 1: parking ticket had gotten dismissed. I'd be mad as hell
[47:09] Speaker 1: if I was in a damn jail for four.
[47:11] Speaker 2: Days on some bullshit that was straight alive.
[47:17] Speaker 13: Yeah, and not only that, like you mentioned, you know,
[47:20] Speaker 13: his reputation has been ruined. He's going to spend years
[47:23] Speaker 13: from now scrubbing what is on the internet every time
[47:26] Speaker 13: he tries to get a job, when he goes to school,
[47:29] Speaker 13: or anything that he applies for, and that we know
[47:32] Speaker 13: is a herculean task. I'm curious curious from Terrence what
[47:36] Speaker 13: does he think to kind of piggyback off of what
[47:39] Speaker 13: Matt was saying. What's the disconnect where police officers feel
[47:43] Speaker 13: so comfortable that they can create a narrative from scratch,
[47:48] Speaker 13: even though there is video and they put it all
[47:51] Speaker 13: in writing and they swear that it's true. How is
[47:54] Speaker 13: it that they think they can get away with it
[47:57] Speaker 13: when they know that eventually they're going to be too
[47:59] Speaker 13: comfort inflicting stories one written theirs and one on the
[48:03] Speaker 13: video camera. What is the disconnect there where so many
[48:05] Speaker 13: officers keep taking the chance and say, I'll just go
[48:08] Speaker 13: ahead and try to make up this story.
[48:11] Speaker 16: Well, it goes to this point and they it was
[48:14] Speaker 16: said earlier. You know, at times they forget that they
[48:17] Speaker 16: have this body camp. It becomes such a part of
[48:20] Speaker 16: their normal equipment. They forget it's there. They forget that
[48:22] Speaker 16: it's recording. And you have officers who I'm just going
[48:25] Speaker 16: to be honest with they have this implicit bias. Here's
[48:28] Speaker 16: young African American males. They're at a park in Indianapolis.
[48:31] Speaker 16: This park on a Sunday is it's pretty rambunctious. Lots
[48:33] Speaker 16: of young folks are there, some middle aged folks and
[48:36] Speaker 16: they're just start listening to music. They're having a good time,
[48:38] Speaker 16: and there's sometimes when things happen they shouldn't, right, we
[48:40] Speaker 16: understand that. So they come with this implicit bias and
[48:42] Speaker 16: they assume that I can say, hey, I smelled marijuana.
[48:45] Speaker 16: I know there's going to be a gun. To the
[48:47] Speaker 16: other person's point is, this is Indiana. Almost everybody has
[48:51] Speaker 16: a gun in this town. So they come and they
[48:53] Speaker 16: come with this implicit bias, and all I have to
[48:55] Speaker 16: say is he pointed a gun, I smelled marijuana, and
[48:57] Speaker 16: everyone's going to believe me. The problems she has in
[49:00] Speaker 16: this instant was body camera did exist. And I can't
[49:03] Speaker 16: stress enough, and this is going to be a major
[49:05] Speaker 16: point in my lawsuit. You have to understand she came
[49:10] Speaker 16: with a with a particular narrative that she thought would
[49:13] Speaker 16: prevail because all I have to do is say it.
[49:15] Speaker 16: And if that body cam doesn't exist, Dalen Brewer goes
[49:19] Speaker 16: to prison for nearly fifty years. I need you guys
[49:21] Speaker 16: to understand that he's charged with the tempted murder. In
[49:23] Speaker 16: our state, you get the same sentences for tempt to
[49:25] Speaker 16: murder as you do for the murder. So he's looking
[49:27] Speaker 16: at fifty plus years in prison at the age of
[49:30] Speaker 16: twenty five simply because someone made up a lie. And
[49:33] Speaker 16: if that body cam doesn't exist, she's gonna say who
[49:36] Speaker 16: You're gonna believe me or you they're gonna believe you.
[49:38] Speaker 16: An eighteen year old black kid in the park. Are
[49:40] Speaker 16: they're gonna believe alawen force if Wu's a sergeant. So
[49:42] Speaker 16: that bodycam saved his life. It didn't just get him
[49:45] Speaker 16: out of those four days in jail. It saved his life.
[49:47] Speaker 16: But it shouldn't have to be that, because she shouldn't
[49:50] Speaker 16: be allowed to get away with making up a blatant
[49:52] Speaker 16: lie and putting that man's entire existence on this planet
[49:56] Speaker 16: in jeopardy because this kid goes to jail for fifty
[49:58] Speaker 16: years Indiana, you do seventy five percent of your time.
[50:00] Speaker 16: So I mean, if he gets a fifty year sentence,
[50:02] Speaker 16: he's serving forty years, so he's not coming out of jail.
[50:05] Speaker 10: He's dying in there.
[50:06] Speaker 16: And that's literally what she was, putting this man in
[50:08] Speaker 16: front of a death sentence because she wanted to continue
[50:12] Speaker 16: with a broken narrative.
[50:13] Speaker 11: Michael, Well, number one, I'm glad this brother had the
[50:21] Speaker 11: presence of mind to file a lawsuit, seek legal counsel,
[50:27] Speaker 11: file a lawsuit, understand that there's legal recourse for this,
[50:31] Speaker 11: and he doesn't have to just be a victim. So
[50:35] Speaker 11: number one, you know, I'm happy. I'm happy about that,
[50:38] Speaker 11: and I think it takes a lot of maturity as
[50:40] Speaker 11: well to take that course of action also, But one
[50:45] Speaker 11: of my questions is, how is your client doing.
[50:48] Speaker 14: How was his mental state of mind? How is he
[50:51] Speaker 14: now that.
[50:53] Speaker 11: He's able to follow this lawsuit and the charges have
[50:56] Speaker 11: been dropped against him?
[50:58] Speaker 14: You know, that is.
[50:59] Speaker 16: A great question, And I don't mean that as a platitude.
[51:03] Speaker 16: He and I and everyone was pleasantly shocked and overwhelmed
[51:09] Speaker 16: with enthusiasm with the amount of public support we've received.
[51:13] Speaker 16: I mean, if you look at the blogs and the comments,
[51:15] Speaker 16: which I try not to do, but in this case,
[51:17] Speaker 16: I'm glad I did, it's overwhelming in support of him.
[51:21] Speaker 16: So when this first came out and the story broke there,
[51:23] Speaker 16: there was a lot of trepidation, a lot of fear,
[51:25] Speaker 16: you know, a lot of belief that there's going to
[51:27] Speaker 16: be some backlash. But exactly the opposite has occurred, from
[51:31] Speaker 16: one political spectrum to the other. Everyone has come to
[51:34] Speaker 16: the forefront and said what happened here was wrong. And
[51:37] Speaker 16: so the support he's receiving from the community has just
[51:40] Speaker 16: been it's been a blessing. To turn the phrase, it's
[51:43] Speaker 16: been it's just been overwhelming and powerful. I can't put
[51:48] Speaker 16: into words because we didn't expect to receive this much
[51:51] Speaker 16: positive just support from everyone, not just here in Indiana,
[51:54] Speaker 16: but all over the country.
[51:57] Speaker 1: All right, thanks, well, certainly, I hope you know your
[52:01] Speaker 1: client is recovering from this again, that that is a
[52:05] Speaker 1: traumatic experience having a gun pointed at you, especially knowing
[52:08] Speaker 1: full well what has happened to so many black men
[52:10] Speaker 1: in Indianapolis and across the Midwest, across the country.
[52:17] Speaker 14: All right, thanks a lot, Thanks guys.
[52:20] Speaker 2: All right, folks, let we go to a break. We
[52:24] Speaker 2: come back.
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[55:12] Speaker 1: Louisiana Congressman Clill Fields will not be seeking a second term. Instead,
[55:20] Speaker 1: he is trying running for a state Senate seat in Louisiana.
[55:25] Speaker 1: The fourteenth district seat in Louisiana became vacant when Senator
[55:29] Speaker 1: Larry Selders passed away on July seventh and due to
[55:34] Speaker 1: a heart attack in twenty twenty four. Sanders replaced Fields
[55:37] Speaker 1: in the state legislature. When Fields was elected to Congress
[55:41] Speaker 1: earlier today, Fields told Louisiana reporters about his decision. There.
[56:02] Speaker 1: Clio Fields was saying that he chose not to run
[56:08] Speaker 1: because Republicans redrew his district. This father the Louisiana Versus
[56:14] Speaker 1: Kalay decision, and of course that I remember he was
[56:21] Speaker 1: able to run because of Supreme Court actually said that
[56:25] Speaker 1: Republicans are discriminated against black voters and created the second district.
[56:29] Speaker 1: And then with the Kalay decision, they came back and
[56:32] Speaker 1: said no, they can go ahead, that you can't create
[56:36] Speaker 1: district districts with race. Republicans then raced to draw that
[56:41] Speaker 1: district out and then that's why he is not running.
[56:45] Speaker 2: Now.
[56:45] Speaker 1: You might remember when he was on this show on
[56:48] Speaker 1: May twenty ninth, I said Fields should run for reelection.
[56:55] Speaker 1: I'll put my two cents in here. The reason I
[56:58] Speaker 1: believe that you should run is because I believe, uh,
[57:02] Speaker 1: you know, giving them a clear path is capitulation. And
[57:07] Speaker 1: I think that I think, whoever, if you choose to
[57:10] Speaker 1: run and you run against them, they have to answer
[57:12] Speaker 1: for this. They have to answer on the record, do
[57:15] Speaker 1: you stand will you stand up for civil rights? That
[57:18] Speaker 1: Republican has to answer, will you stand up for voting rights?
[57:22] Speaker 1: And every single question has to be put to them
[57:24] Speaker 1: and then be able to go back to black voters
[57:26] Speaker 1: and say, see, this is the person who is going
[57:30] Speaker 1: to be representing you if you don't turn out to vote,
[57:32] Speaker 1: and so to me, that's that that's what has to happen.
[57:36] Speaker 17: Yeah, well, I appreciate it, and all of that is
[57:39] Speaker 17: being under serious consideration. And as usual, Roland, thank you
[57:43] Speaker 17: so much for keeping the issues that affect black people
[57:47] Speaker 17: across this nation in the forefront.
[57:51] Speaker 1: Michael, Look, I get it. He was the state senator
[57:55] Speaker 1: and that position is opened up due to the death
[57:59] Speaker 1: of a his replacement. This is why I still wish
[58:04] Speaker 1: he had run. Yes, the lines have changed, but the
[58:11] Speaker 1: question is this here. Is there a stronger Democrat to
[58:17] Speaker 1: run for that seat? That's what this really boils down to.
[58:23] Speaker 1: I believe that these right wingers have to be challenged now.
[58:28] Speaker 1: That ain't just because he's a Democrat. When Bob Corker
[58:34] Speaker 1: chose to step down as a center from Tennessee, when
[58:38] Speaker 1: Jeff Flake Corker's a Republican when Jeff Flake chose not
[58:43] Speaker 1: to seek re election in Arizona because oh he might
[58:48] Speaker 1: get a Maga challenger, I'm like, damn, that go down swinging.
[58:53] Speaker 1: I just don't believe in giving in because they changed
[58:58] Speaker 1: it and I'm not guaranteed to win.
[59:01] Speaker 2: I'm not gonna win.
[59:02] Speaker 14: It's no different.
[59:03] Speaker 1: Debbie Wasserman Schultz should not be running in that traditional
[59:07] Speaker 1: black seat in Florida. She should run in another seat
[59:11] Speaker 1: and take it to the Republican and put her record
[59:13] Speaker 1: up against theirs. But damn it, all this running away
[59:17] Speaker 1: from a fight doesn't actually help anybody.
[59:21] Speaker 11: Yeah, Roland a few things, well, I say here on
[59:24] Speaker 11: this show, Debbie Washington show, should not run in that
[59:26] Speaker 11: majority black district. She should do something else or just retire.
[59:32] Speaker 11: And here with Clo Fields. So, I saw a part
[59:36] Speaker 11: of the press conference on c SPAN that he did
[59:40] Speaker 11: where he announced that he was running for Senator Larry
[59:43] Speaker 11: Selder's state representative Larry Selders State Senator Larry Selder's vacant
[59:50] Speaker 11: see and he talked about he wanted to take it
[59:55] Speaker 11: back locally and he thinks he would be more effective
[59:59] Speaker 11: in u local government than in federal government.
[1:00:03] Speaker 14: In the House of representatives.
[1:00:04] Speaker 11: And you know, I can understand that that sentiment, but
[1:00:08] Speaker 11: I agree with you. These are straight up white nationalists,
[1:00:13] Speaker 11: white supremists, okay, who have a plan to white black
[1:00:18] Speaker 11: people off of the political chessboard. So you don't run
[1:00:24] Speaker 11: from the fight. You take the fight directly to them.
[1:00:27] Speaker 11: And he could probably galvanize a lot of support from
[1:00:31] Speaker 11: not just black people but also white people who vote
[1:00:34] Speaker 11: Democratic in the district that he would run in to
[1:00:39] Speaker 11: defeat these white nationalists.
[1:00:41] Speaker 14: But you don't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't run from the fight.
[1:00:44] Speaker 11: I think he has a good heart, but I can't
[1:00:49] Speaker 11: stress enough these people have to be fought head on. Okay,
[1:00:55] Speaker 11: run into another position. No, we don't understand how badly
[1:01:02] Speaker 11: is going to get. And you know, fifty three percent
[1:01:05] Speaker 11: of Project twenty twenty five has been put in the place.
[1:01:08] Speaker 14: It's something like two hundred and eighty.
[1:01:10] Speaker 11: Policies the Trump administration has already been put in place,
[1:01:14] Speaker 11: already putting place from Project twenty twenty five. So you know,
[1:01:20] Speaker 11: this times right into them. The bill from Nancy Mace,
[1:01:24] Speaker 11: you're gonna talk about it, will try to get rid
[1:01:25] Speaker 11: of the congressional.
[1:01:26] Speaker 1: Self loveline is in here cannons. It's about you want
[1:01:30] Speaker 1: your strongest folks running these positions. And again I believe
[1:01:35] Speaker 1: that representing Clio Fields should say I'm gonna put my
[1:01:38] Speaker 1: record up against any Republican y'all put up in let's wing.
[1:01:43] Speaker 13: I think that the representative Cleo Fields has done the math.
[1:01:47] Speaker 13: He has said to himself, where is it that I
[1:01:49] Speaker 13: am most likely to win?
[1:01:50] Speaker 4: Now?
[1:01:50] Speaker 9: I'm not mad at him for that.
[1:01:52] Speaker 13: I know that there is a fight to be fought
[1:01:54] Speaker 13: and that he can fight the good fight.
[1:01:56] Speaker 9: And do well.
[1:01:57] Speaker 13: And even if he doesn't do well, you need to
[1:01:59] Speaker 13: fight that people know that you've got a fighter and
[1:02:02] Speaker 13: that you are not going to be backing down. He's
[1:02:04] Speaker 13: sixty three years old, from my understanding, and his plans
[1:02:07] Speaker 13: might be something that we do not know of. And
[1:02:10] Speaker 13: plus he knows what that position is like, he's been
[1:02:13] Speaker 13: in it before. It's a position that he can more
[1:02:17] Speaker 13: than likely win, and he has thought about the outcome
[1:02:20] Speaker 13: and the odds of him winning, and he has chosen
[1:02:24] Speaker 13: where the odds are better.
[1:02:25] Speaker 9: And I think that that is part of the situation here.
[1:02:28] Speaker 13: We also don't know what's going on in his home life,
[1:02:30] Speaker 13: his family life, what his plans are He may not
[1:02:33] Speaker 13: just be articulating right now, because we know him as
[1:02:35] Speaker 13: a fighter, but it does seem odd that he is
[1:02:39] Speaker 13: not moving in the patht that we thought he was
[1:02:42] Speaker 13: going to. But I am also not surprised that he
[1:02:45] Speaker 13: looked at the numbers, did the math, and made this
[1:02:48] Speaker 13: particular decision.
[1:02:49] Speaker 4: Matt, Yeah, I echo both Candice and Michael sentiments. I mean,
[1:02:54] Speaker 4: I think he should have stayed and fought the fight.
[1:02:58] Speaker 4: But I'm a little more cynical. I tend to think
[1:03:00] Speaker 4: politicians are usually operating in their own self interest. I
[1:03:03] Speaker 4: don't say that to detegrade him, but I just I
[1:03:05] Speaker 4: don't have this belief that most politicians are going to
[1:03:08] Speaker 4: do what is for the greater good all the time.
[1:03:10] Speaker 4: And I think this is a situation of political survival.
[1:03:13] Speaker 4: I think Candice hit the nail on the head. He
[1:03:14] Speaker 4: did the math, he figured out where he was likely
[1:03:17] Speaker 4: to win, and decided to leave. And as much as
[1:03:19] Speaker 4: I'd like to think that he's guided by this sense
[1:03:22] Speaker 4: of communal duty to stay and fight to the death,
[1:03:27] Speaker 4: I understand the reality, which is that he wants to
[1:03:29] Speaker 4: stay in politics, and he's gonna move where he thinks
[1:03:31] Speaker 4: he'll be elected. So that's my opinion on it. I
[1:03:34] Speaker 4: think that they both hit the nail on the head.
[1:03:36] Speaker 1: Well, I just don't think that you're going to be
[1:03:40] Speaker 1: able to sway voters if you don't put your best
[1:03:43] Speaker 1: and brightest up for the battle. All right, got to
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[1:05:21] Speaker 11: This is Eric Dickerson, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered.
[1:05:43] Speaker 1: As we just said, the Louisianaiverse Play decision has changed
[1:05:47] Speaker 1: the politics in the South. Republicans wiped out a black
[1:05:49] Speaker 1: district in Louisiana as well as one in Alabama. They've
[1:05:53] Speaker 1: been targeting seats in Georgia. They wiped out a seat
[1:05:56] Speaker 1: in Tennessee. UH and other states also are being targeted.
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: It's that decision significantly weaken Section two the Voting Rights Act,
[1:06:05] Speaker 1: one of the most important protections against ragial discrimination, voting,
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: and jeer mandaring. Since that decision, voting rights groups have
[1:06:11] Speaker 1: been in full force to ensure folks in the most
[1:06:13] Speaker 1: racially geimandered districts in the South are registered to vote.
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: We of course, when Montgomery for all roads lead to
[1:06:19] Speaker 1: the South, a relat that took place those continue across
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: the country. Today was the beginning of a thirty six day,
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: one thousand miles solidarity march from Nashville to Memphis through
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: the Deep South to register one hundred thousand voters. Activists
[1:06:31] Speaker 1: Angry mail Vet and Cassin Rashid, the president of Just
[1:06:34] Speaker 1: When Humanity, join us from Nashville. Glad to have both
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: of you here while y'all doing this.
[1:06:43] Speaker 21: Well, you said it Roland that we are living at
[1:06:46] Speaker 21: an eessential point where voting rights are being gutted. Ever
[1:06:50] Speaker 21: since the Shelby Versus Holder decision in twenty thirteen, we
[1:06:52] Speaker 21: are seeing a systemic dismantling of voting rights on a
[1:06:56] Speaker 21: scale that is only matched by the Jim crow Eras
[1:07:00] Speaker 21: folks don't realize that Prior to Shelby versus Holder, there
[1:07:03] Speaker 21: are more than two hundred thousand polling locations across the country.
[1:07:06] Speaker 21: Since then, more than one hundred thousand of those polling
[1:07:08] Speaker 21: locations have been dismantled and shut down disproportionately in Black
[1:07:13] Speaker 21: and Latino neighborhoods, increasing voter suppression. And now with this
[1:07:17] Speaker 21: Kaley decision and the potential of the Safe Act being passed,
[1:07:22] Speaker 21: we are facing a reality that if the Save Act passes,
[1:07:26] Speaker 21: black voters in particular will have fewer voting rights in
[1:07:28] Speaker 21: twenty twenty six than they did in nineteen sixty six.
[1:07:31] Speaker 21: So we are working with dozens of organizations locally the
[1:07:35] Speaker 21: NACP Equity Alliance Black Voters Matter, to.
[1:07:40] Speaker 18: Use our platforms.
[1:07:42] Speaker 21: We have dozens of influencers, content creators, civil ress activists
[1:07:46] Speaker 21: that are tens of millions of followers on social media.
[1:07:49] Speaker 21: Our goal is not to come in and tell anyone
[1:07:52] Speaker 21: how to register the vote. There are amazing organizations already
[1:07:56] Speaker 21: doing that work. Our goal is to be here and
[1:07:58] Speaker 21: use our platforms as mega owns to elevate these stories,
[1:08:02] Speaker 21: share the amazing work that black activists are already doing
[1:08:05] Speaker 21: here on the ground, raise some money for them and
[1:08:09] Speaker 21: achieve this goal of registering one hundred thousand voters and
[1:08:12] Speaker 21: if nothing else, show that we're not going to take
[1:08:15] Speaker 21: this sitting down. We are going to fight for our
[1:08:17] Speaker 21: democracy because it deserves protection.
[1:08:22] Speaker 2: Activists angry mel Vett.
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: Listen, you're walking in a state where Republicans there literally
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: put up Charlie Kirk's signs on a highway, pissing off veterans.
[1:08:31] Speaker 1: Now they've had to remove those signs as of the
[1:08:33] Speaker 1: vents protested. I mean, you're dealing with in a state
[1:08:37] Speaker 1: that is so read that they don't believe even in
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: local control, stripping power out from Memphis as well as Nashville.
[1:08:46] Speaker 18: Yeah, it's an odd space to be in.
[1:08:48] Speaker 22: You know, the first three words of the oath, I
[1:08:50] Speaker 22: took work to the Constitution where we the people? And
[1:08:53] Speaker 22: right now I'm watching a Republican party who is attacking
[1:08:56] Speaker 22: segments of we the people, and that is Black American voters.
[1:08:59] Speaker 22: So it's difficult to be in a red state where
[1:09:02] Speaker 22: I am watching a segment of society be diminished and
[1:09:05] Speaker 22: their voting power be reduced and not having the representation
[1:09:08] Speaker 22: they deserve.
[1:09:09] Speaker 18: So I think this is one of those things.
[1:09:12] Speaker 22: One thousand miles to Memphis, where we can raise that
[1:09:16] Speaker 22: awareness of the importance of registration now more than ever,
[1:09:20] Speaker 22: just like Casim was saying that where they are trying
[1:09:22] Speaker 22: to take the power of Black Americans, we need to
[1:09:24] Speaker 22: bring that awareness back to people and let them know
[1:09:27] Speaker 22: that this is an important chapter in our history and
[1:09:30] Speaker 22: something has to be done about it. And me, as
[1:09:33] Speaker 22: a white male combat veteran, I should be the loudest
[1:09:37] Speaker 22: voice in the room talking about this because I took
[1:09:41] Speaker 22: an oath to protect everybody and serve everybody in this
[1:09:43] Speaker 22: country and I am watching the Republican Party attack a
[1:09:47] Speaker 22: portion of them, and that's not right, and I'm going
[1:09:48] Speaker 22: to do something about it.
[1:09:50] Speaker 1: So you talking about registering one hundred thousand voters, and
[1:09:54] Speaker 1: one of the things that I've made clear to Democrats
[1:09:59] Speaker 1: is that, listen, black folks are out there doing their part.
[1:10:02] Speaker 2: But part of the issue you have is you got
[1:10:04] Speaker 2: a lot of.
[1:10:04] Speaker 1: White folks in Tennessee, in Florida, in South Carolina, in
[1:10:09] Speaker 1: North Carolina who are not stepping up. So who are
[1:10:13] Speaker 1: you targeting with this effort to register one hundred thousand voters?
[1:10:17] Speaker 21: Great, great question, And I want to emphasize that this
[1:10:20] Speaker 21: is a march that's going to start in Nashville is
[1:10:24] Speaker 21: going to go to Atlanta to Birmingham, to Jackson, then
[1:10:27] Speaker 21: back up to Memphis. So it is a loop through
[1:10:30] Speaker 21: the South. And who are targeting is everyone. I mean,
[1:10:33] Speaker 21: we want everyone to vote. We want to maximize voter turnout.
[1:10:38] Speaker 21: And I'm going to reemphasize that the goal of this
[1:10:41] Speaker 21: is not to build a news system. There are already
[1:10:45] Speaker 21: amazing black led organizations that are doing the work. The
[1:10:48] Speaker 21: goal of this is to elevate the work that they're doing.
[1:10:51] Speaker 21: The money that we're raising through Justuin Humanity, a nonprofit
[1:10:53] Speaker 21: at five o' one c three. We are going to
[1:10:55] Speaker 21: be utilizing these resources to support these local organization and
[1:11:00] Speaker 21: I'm happy to come back and report of.
[1:11:02] Speaker 18: That once the march is done as well.
[1:11:05] Speaker 21: But I think fundamentally most Americans don't realize is how
[1:11:09] Speaker 21: aggressive the voter suppression is here in Tennessee.
[1:11:12] Speaker 18: You can't just go and register to vote.
[1:11:13] Speaker 21: You have to go through the certification process Shelby County
[1:11:15] Speaker 21: that made it illegal, And so most Americans don't even
[1:11:19] Speaker 21: know how bad this cancerous impact of white supremacy is.
[1:11:22] Speaker 21: And so one of the pillars of this is just
[1:11:24] Speaker 21: to elevate these stories, let the folks locally tell their
[1:11:27] Speaker 21: own stories, allivate those voices and hopefully create.
[1:11:30] Speaker 18: More of a rallying cry behind it.
[1:11:33] Speaker 21: And you know, if you can make it out to
[1:11:35] Speaker 21: march with us, you can go to one thousand miles
[1:11:37] Speaker 21: Memphis dot com and find a local march join us
[1:11:41] Speaker 21: for a day. If you can't come out, then you
[1:11:43] Speaker 21: can donate to the work that we're doing and make
[1:11:45] Speaker 21: sure that you're helping us support these local organizations that
[1:11:48] Speaker 21: are doing the work. And at the very minimum, we
[1:11:51] Speaker 21: have a registration link that will triaze you to your
[1:11:55] Speaker 21: local state and help you get registered to vote. And
[1:11:59] Speaker 21: so if nothing else, visit thousand dollars in Memphis dot com,
[1:12:02] Speaker 21: make sure you're registered to vote, and find five or
[1:12:04] Speaker 21: ten friends before the midterm elections and get them registered
[1:12:08] Speaker 21: to vote. The only way this works is if we
[1:12:10] Speaker 21: work in unison and build this massive coalition, a multi racial,
[1:12:16] Speaker 21: multi gender, cross steak coalition.
[1:12:19] Speaker 18: If we can do that, you can be effective. But
[1:12:20] Speaker 18: it's not going to happen alone.
[1:12:23] Speaker 1: I understand the point of registering anyone. The reason I
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: asked that question activist angry mail bit is because when
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: we talk about the South. It's a lot of white
[1:12:37] Speaker 1: voters who depend upon federal government, who depend upon money
[1:12:43] Speaker 1: for the federal government. There are a lot of white
[1:12:47] Speaker 1: conservative voters independents who don't like Obamacare, but they want
[1:12:52] Speaker 1: the Affordable Care Act preserved.
[1:12:54] Speaker 2: And it's the same thing.
[1:12:57] Speaker 1: These same rule white voters are the ones that are
[1:13:00] Speaker 1: sending their kids to die in the military. And what
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: I have always said is that we often have initiatives
[1:13:08] Speaker 1: that target black voters, that target Latino voters, but in
[1:13:11] Speaker 1: this country, we literally are afraid to say we're targeting
[1:13:16] Speaker 1: white voters. And I just believe that that has to
[1:13:20] Speaker 1: be said that way because in many places in the South,
[1:13:26] Speaker 1: they're the ones who are actually benefiting from the work
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: of progressive politics yet voting against the same politics.
[1:13:38] Speaker 22: Yeah, it's unfortunate, and I think there need to be
[1:13:40] Speaker 22: more faces like mine, that they are at the forefront
[1:13:43] Speaker 22: and they're out there, and that those voices are growing.
[1:13:46] Speaker 22: But people need to see white especially white males, that
[1:13:50] Speaker 22: are voting for policies that are going to benefit everybody,
[1:13:53] Speaker 22: especially rural voters, rural white voters, and break through this
[1:13:57] Speaker 22: propaganda machine that has been perpetually by the GOP for
[1:14:01] Speaker 22: decades now that is getting people to vote against their
[1:14:04] Speaker 22: own best interests. And so going out there twenty three
[1:14:07] Speaker 22: years in the military combat veteran as a white face
[1:14:10] Speaker 22: and saying, you know, these are the kind of policies
[1:14:12] Speaker 22: that will make our lives better, everyone's lives better, especially
[1:14:16] Speaker 22: in the rural areas, I think is super important. So
[1:14:20] Speaker 22: I hope that in my presence in this multi racial,
[1:14:23] Speaker 22: multi gender effort going through that, my presence, I'm going
[1:14:26] Speaker 22: to be marching in uniform, part of my uniform, you know,
[1:14:29] Speaker 22: going through that people understand that there is a permission
[1:14:32] Speaker 22: structure to go vote for things that are going to
[1:14:34] Speaker 22: benefit you and not continue to go down this dark
[1:14:38] Speaker 22: road of listening to the lives that are being perpetuated
[1:14:41] Speaker 22: by the current Republican Party that have done nothing for
[1:14:44] Speaker 22: them over decades.
[1:14:46] Speaker 1: All right, then we'll certainly good luck with the march,
[1:14:48] Speaker 1: and I hope you hit one hundred thousand goal.
[1:14:53] Speaker 14: Thank y, Charlie.
[1:14:54] Speaker 2: All right, thanks a bunch folks.
[1:14:56] Speaker 1: We have made it clear that the twice impeach criminally
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: convicted con Man in Chief Donald the Khnman Trump only
[1:15:03] Speaker 1: cares about Red States. Well, they've been lying all this time,
[1:15:07] Speaker 1: when we look at a lot of the cuts they've
[1:15:08] Speaker 1: been making. We told y'all the cuts were because the
[1:15:11] Speaker 1: people were black, because they were Latino, because they were women,
[1:15:15] Speaker 1: because they were gay. Well guess what they are finally
[1:15:18] Speaker 1: admitting in court that, yeah, we didn't give money to
[1:15:22] Speaker 1: states because they didn't vote for Donald Trump.
[1:15:26] Speaker 2: Yeah. Seriously.
[1:15:28] Speaker 1: The admission was reported by the New York Times, and
[1:15:30] Speaker 1: it shows how they operate. Okay, we're talking about seven
[1:15:35] Speaker 1: point five billion dollars in grants for education, energy, health, housing, infrastructure. Okay,
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: it's all there, go to myped you see it right here.
[1:15:48] Speaker 1: It's how they weaponized it and they want to control
[1:15:52] Speaker 1: the money. And then what Congress actually has to say,
[1:15:55] Speaker 1: now they're blatant.
[1:15:57] Speaker 2: This is what it says.
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: The White House did not respond, and so look at
[1:16:01] Speaker 1: this here. After reviewing its spending, the Injury Department last
[1:16:05] Speaker 1: fall created a list that recommended canceling more than six
[1:16:07] Speaker 1: hundred grants awarded by the Biden administration for the wide
[1:16:10] Speaker 1: range of novel energy projects. That list included funding for
[1:16:14] Speaker 1: projects in states representative of Republicans and Democrats. But in October,
[1:16:19] Speaker 1: the White House Budget Office, led by Russell Vought, terminated
[1:16:22] Speaker 1: only two hundred and eighty four of those grants. In
[1:16:24] Speaker 1: a social media post announcing the news, mister Bob pointed
[1:16:27] Speaker 1: to the motivations nearly eight billion in green new scam
[1:16:30] Speaker 1: funding to few of the lefts climate agenda is being canceled.
[1:16:34] Speaker 1: Months later, in court filings, federal officials indicated there was
[1:16:37] Speaker 1: little else that had informed the found decision about which
[1:16:41] Speaker 1: grants to cancel.
[1:16:42] Speaker 14: With one exception.
[1:16:44] Speaker 2: A lawyer for.
[1:16:44] Speaker 1: The Energy Department conceded in a court filing this month,
[1:16:47] Speaker 1: the two hundred and eighty four terminated grants had a
[1:16:50] Speaker 1: recipient location and or at least one place of performance
[1:16:54] Speaker 1: in a state that awarded its electoral votes to Kamala
[1:16:57] Speaker 1: Harris in the twenty twenty four election and had to
[1:17:00] Speaker 1: Democratic caucusing senators. The lawyer acknowledged that none of the
[1:17:04] Speaker 1: grants were included in the October terminations quote based on
[1:17:08] Speaker 1: any programmatic, statutory cost reduction or performance based factory. And
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: what they were scared of the reason that greed to
[1:17:15] Speaker 1: this candae. They were scared because of future depositions that
[1:17:21] Speaker 1: would reveal even more shameful behavior.
[1:17:27] Speaker 13: And you know what, this is why good journalism matters
[1:17:30] Speaker 13: let's start there. We know that if it wasn't for
[1:17:33] Speaker 13: people who were on the ground looking through these documents
[1:17:35] Speaker 13: to begin with, they would not have found these truths.
[1:17:38] Speaker 13: And we know that the people who also refused these
[1:17:42] Speaker 13: particular grants that had to do with the environment and
[1:17:45] Speaker 13: housings and infrastructure, we know for a fact that these
[1:17:50] Speaker 13: were people who were refusing it because of politics. And
[1:17:53] Speaker 13: it's something that we are not surprised about at all,
[1:17:57] Speaker 13: not as a panel, not as a country, not as
[1:18:00] Speaker 13: a world. This is not surprising. I also think that
[1:18:04] Speaker 13: it just goes to show how far people will go
[1:18:09] Speaker 13: in order to hide the truth until they are forced
[1:18:13] Speaker 13: to actually tell the truth, because, as you said, this
[1:18:16] Speaker 13: would have never come out had it not been from
[1:18:19] Speaker 13: for other depositions and things that will actually reveal more So,
[1:18:24] Speaker 13: this is an important story, not just because of the
[1:18:27] Speaker 13: story itself, but because it represents a larger picture as
[1:18:31] Speaker 13: to what is going on in the United States of
[1:18:34] Speaker 13: America that actually ultimately impacts the world in terms of
[1:18:37] Speaker 13: how we are seen as a country and how we
[1:18:40] Speaker 13: compete on a larger scale.
[1:18:43] Speaker 9: So an important story. Not surprised, Matt.
[1:18:47] Speaker 1: Federal officials offer the new details about the grant cancelations
[1:18:50] Speaker 1: as part of an agreement with plaintiffs meant to spare
[1:18:54] Speaker 1: the government and exhaustive evidence in uncovering process known as discovery.
[1:18:59] Speaker 1: The court filing is said that process could have required
[1:19:01] Speaker 1: federal agencies to hand over more damaging records. The agreement
[1:19:05] Speaker 1: applied to other federal agencies targeted by the lawsuit, including
[1:19:08] Speaker 1: the Department of Transportation and the Department of Health and
[1:19:10] Speaker 1: Human Services. Some agencies later revealed new details about the
[1:19:13] Speaker 1: ways in which they reviewed their grants, using specific words
[1:19:17] Speaker 1: tied to mister Trump's political priorities and past directives for
[1:19:20] Speaker 1: possible cancelations. According to additional court documents this month, the
[1:19:24] Speaker 1: filing also appeared to undermine the congressional testimony of ERGIE
[1:19:28] Speaker 1: Secretary Chris Wright, who spoke about the cancelations in a
[1:19:31] Speaker 1: June House hearing, saying no decision were made on politics.
[1:19:37] Speaker 1: Sounds like he committed perjury to Congress.
[1:19:42] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it sounds like he said something that was
[1:19:44] Speaker 4: untrue under oath in front of Congress. And I'll tell
[1:19:47] Speaker 4: you talking about discovery. Literally this morning, I deposed two
[1:19:51] Speaker 4: federal employees in the case that I have and it
[1:19:54] Speaker 4: is not an easy thing to do that, so they
[1:19:57] Speaker 4: certainly did not want that information to come out. In really,
[1:20:00] Speaker 4: all this is is the spoil system. This is the
[1:20:02] Speaker 4: same spoil system that existed before President Garfield was assassinated
[1:20:07] Speaker 4: in the exact reason the Pendleton Act brought us a
[1:20:10] Speaker 4: merit based civil service. That's what it is. You get
[1:20:13] Speaker 4: elected and you get to have the spoils. And that's
[1:20:15] Speaker 4: what Trump's team is doing, not only with federal positions
[1:20:19] Speaker 4: and the appointed positions, but here through the disbursement of money. Now,
[1:20:23] Speaker 4: what I'm really surprised about is that they didn't have
[1:20:25] Speaker 4: a pretext. I mean, that's what's so crazy about this,
[1:20:28] Speaker 4: what we're seeing with them, all the corruption we're seeing,
[1:20:30] Speaker 4: that was.
[1:20:31] Speaker 14: A pretext reason.
[1:20:32] Speaker 1: That was a pretext.
[1:20:33] Speaker 2: He lost the state.
[1:20:36] Speaker 1: See here's the crazy part. He lost the state. But
[1:20:40] Speaker 1: it's not like there weren't Republicans in the state that
[1:20:43] Speaker 1: voted form.
[1:20:44] Speaker 4: He was like, screw y'all, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that
[1:20:49] Speaker 4: was the reason.
[1:20:49] Speaker 14: I'm saying.
[1:20:50] Speaker 4: There's not a pretext, like a purported reason. That's okay
[1:20:54] Speaker 4: for them to do it, right, Like the person who
[1:20:56] Speaker 4: gave that statement said, there was no programmatic reason that
[1:21:00] Speaker 4: we didn't disperse this money. Well, you normally see people
[1:21:02] Speaker 4: do it, say these programs were deficient for this reason.
[1:21:06] Speaker 4: We divested the money from here and put it over
[1:21:08] Speaker 4: here for some other reasons, so they can have plausible deniability. No,
[1:21:12] Speaker 4: I'm saying, but see.
[1:21:13] Speaker 1: When you're so corrupt, when you're so corrupt, you don't
[1:21:16] Speaker 1: give a damn applause with doniability. It's like, Yo, whatever
[1:21:20] Speaker 1: poopy Pants wants, we're gonna do. And that's just where
[1:21:24] Speaker 1: that's just where we are. And get you know, who
[1:21:26] Speaker 1: is the most silent, Michael Fox News, right wing media silent?
[1:21:34] Speaker 1: Oh my god, if this was Biden or Obama, we
[1:21:37] Speaker 1: wouldn't hear the.
[1:21:38] Speaker 2: End of it.
[1:21:40] Speaker 14: Absolutely, And it's some of it.
[1:21:42] Speaker 11: It's some of those poor white people that watch Fox
[1:21:45] Speaker 11: News that are in some of these states that had
[1:21:48] Speaker 11: these grants taken away from them, that are being hurt
[1:21:51] Speaker 11: by these policies. So just a couple of quick things.
[1:21:54] Speaker 11: I got the breaking news alert from the New York Times.
[1:21:57] Speaker 11: I read the article about this. Russell Law is the
[1:22:01] Speaker 11: architect of Project twenty twenty five. Okay, so let's start
[1:22:05] Speaker 11: right there, okay, And Project twenty twenty five one of
[1:22:08] Speaker 11: the things that deals with not just DEI, but attacking
[1:22:11] Speaker 11: climate change grants because Biden Biden Harrison administration was really
[1:22:16] Speaker 11: progressive when it came to dealing with attacking climate change.
[1:22:20] Speaker 14: That's one of the things that Inflation Reduction Act did.
[1:22:23] Speaker 23: And what we've seen, and we can go to the
[1:22:27] Speaker 23: sixty two lawsuits that Trump and his cronies filed trying
[1:22:32] Speaker 23: to overturn the election results in the twenty twenty election.
[1:22:35] Speaker 11: They say one thing on Fox News, they say one
[1:22:38] Speaker 11: thing on News Max, but when they go to court,
[1:22:42] Speaker 11: it's something entirely different. Their liar, what we see there,
[1:22:46] Speaker 11: we see here.
[1:22:47] Speaker 2: No.
[1:22:48] Speaker 11: But what we see is when they go to court,
[1:22:50] Speaker 11: more than likely they tell the truth because they know
[1:22:53] Speaker 11: if they lie in court, they could be brought up
[1:22:55] Speaker 11: on perjury charges, possibly just barred, things like that.
[1:22:59] Speaker 14: So what I'm saying is in the court filings they
[1:23:02] Speaker 14: told the truth is different.
[1:23:05] Speaker 11: Than what they say on TV, on Fox News, Atris
[1:23:10] Speaker 11: conferences and things like that.
[1:23:11] Speaker 1: Yeah. Because actually, because as as Candasa and Matt will know,
[1:23:16] Speaker 1: those lawyers are like, y'all, I'm screwing up my.
[1:23:19] Speaker 14: Law license exactly exactly. They're saying, you ain't screwed up
[1:23:23] Speaker 14: my future.
[1:23:24] Speaker 11: So Yeah, so this is really good reporting and once
[1:23:27] Speaker 11: again this shows the consequences of elections. But if you
[1:23:30] Speaker 11: go back back in October of twenty twenty five, Russell
[1:23:33] Speaker 11: Vault held up the project that tunnel New Jersey, New
[1:23:38] Speaker 11: York Tunnel. That's sixteen billion dollars. And when he said
[1:23:43] Speaker 11: he was holding up they were trying to root out fraud,
[1:23:45] Speaker 11: what have you. But they also mentioned dei unconstitutional dei.
[1:23:50] Speaker 11: That was another reason why he gave for doing that. Okay,
[1:23:54] Speaker 11: so this is excellent, but once again, this goes to
[1:23:59] Speaker 11: the ssequences of elections. This is why we have to
[1:24:02] Speaker 11: take back power and hold these people. I'm going to
[1:24:05] Speaker 11: vote them.
[1:24:05] Speaker 2: Out of office. Again.
[1:24:06] Speaker 1: What we are dealing with a flat out pathetic individuals
[1:24:10] Speaker 1: who will absolutely lie about anything. This is who they are.
[1:24:15] Speaker 1: I don't trust them to do anything. I've never trusted them.
[1:24:19] Speaker 1: And again and we've said this Fox News and all
[1:24:24] Speaker 1: of these people will will defend them at every single turn.
[1:24:29] Speaker 1: Update in the Nolan Wells case, folks, the autopsy report
[1:24:32] Speaker 1: in the Nolan Wells case is going to remain under
[1:24:36] Speaker 1: wraps before the until they grand jury review. That's the
[1:24:38] Speaker 1: decision of the District Attorney Angel Miles maclrathsh She released
[1:24:43] Speaker 1: this video laying that out.
[1:24:50] Speaker 2: Get this to play one second.
[1:24:53] Speaker 24: I want to talk directly to the people of Jackson County.
[1:24:56] Speaker 24: Our community is grieving the tremendous loss of Nolan Well,
[1:25:00] Speaker 24: who is loved and treasured by everyone. Nolan's family deserves answers,
[1:25:05] Speaker 24: and our community deserves answers. Every death in the county,
[1:25:09] Speaker 24: except those of natural causes and non criminal car RECs
[1:25:12] Speaker 24: are presented to your grandury. Many people don't know that
[1:25:16] Speaker 24: we have handled death investigations in this manner my entire career.
[1:25:20] Speaker 24: Nolan's case is being handled the same way, with the
[1:25:23] Speaker 24: same care and the same commitment to the truth that
[1:25:26] Speaker 24: we handle all death investigations. I understand the public's urgency
[1:25:31] Speaker 24: to know what happened to Nolan, but we are not
[1:25:34] Speaker 24: taking time for time's sake. We are taking the time
[1:25:37] Speaker 24: required to complete the work this investigation demands. Since Nolan
[1:25:42] Speaker 24: was reported missing, local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies
[1:25:46] Speaker 24: have worked around the clock investigating what happened to him.
[1:25:51] Speaker 24: Every piece of evidence must be examined, Every credible lead
[1:25:55] Speaker 24: must be followed to its conclusion. Every witness interview must
[1:25:59] Speaker 24: be in context of all other evidence. The pressure for
[1:26:03] Speaker 24: answers does not change what the work requires. Our responsibility
[1:26:09] Speaker 24: to Nolan in our community is to complete this investigation thoroughly, carefully,
[1:26:14] Speaker 24: without compromise, supported by the evidence, and worthy of the
[1:26:18] Speaker 24: confidence of the people we serve. I also understand that
[1:26:22] Speaker 24: many people have questions about why more information has not
[1:26:25] Speaker 24: been released publicly. In Mississippi, the rules of professional conduct
[1:26:29] Speaker 24: restrict the information a prosecutor can release during an investigation.
[1:26:34] Speaker 24: Our restraint in communicating facts and evidence is not an
[1:26:38] Speaker 24: effort to keep the truth from the public. It is
[1:26:41] Speaker 24: an effort to protect the integrity of this investigation and
[1:26:44] Speaker 24: the grandeury proceeding. As your district attorney, I have an
[1:26:47] Speaker 24: ethical obligation to avoid public statements that could influence witnesses,
[1:26:52] Speaker 24: prejudice of proceding, or compromise the fairness of the legal process.
[1:26:56] Speaker 24: My obligation extends to and requires me to use recis
[1:27:00] Speaker 24: reasonable care to ensure investigating agencies avoid making those statements
[1:27:04] Speaker 24: and releasing information as well. These rules exist to protect
[1:27:09] Speaker 24: the search for the truth, not to prevent it. As
[1:27:13] Speaker 24: divided as the discussion surrounding Nolan's death has become, I
[1:27:18] Speaker 24: know we all want the same thing, to understand what
[1:27:22] Speaker 24: happened to Nolan. With that being our shared goal, we
[1:27:25] Speaker 24: must also share in the goal of protecting the integrity
[1:27:29] Speaker 24: of how the truth is discovered. If we sacrifice the
[1:27:32] Speaker 24: integrity of the process an effort to satisfy today's questions,
[1:27:37] Speaker 24: we risk undermining the confidence in tomorrow's answers. When the
[1:27:41] Speaker 24: public ask what about this?
[1:27:43] Speaker 1: Or have they looked at that?
[1:27:44] Speaker 24: Or did they think about this? The answer is yes,
[1:27:47] Speaker 24: those are the same questions investigators ask. The difference is
[1:27:51] Speaker 24: that we can't publicly discuss the evidence. The interviews are
[1:27:55] Speaker 24: what those efforts have uncovered while the investigation is underway. Again,
[1:28:01] Speaker 24: our restraint and sharing details of the investigation is not
[1:28:05] Speaker 24: a refusal to share the truth.
[1:28:07] Speaker 2: It is our.
[1:28:08] Speaker 24: Commitment to protect the process that allows the truth to
[1:28:12] Speaker 24: be known with confidence. There's a lot of information out there,
[1:28:16] Speaker 24: and there is a heck of a lot of misinformation
[1:28:19] Speaker 24: out there. I simply want the community I serve to
[1:28:23] Speaker 24: know that this investigation is being handled with the care, professionalism,
[1:28:28] Speaker 24: and commitment to the truth that every family in Jackson
[1:28:31] Speaker 24: County deserves. As we continue this important work, Nolan's family,
[1:28:35] Speaker 24: his friends, and all who loved him, remain in our prayers.
[1:28:40] Speaker 2: So, Matt, you can't release the autops through details.
[1:28:51] Speaker 4: You can, but I will tell you I'll probably take
[1:28:53] Speaker 4: a different tack than other people on this, Having been
[1:28:56] Speaker 4: the number two at a DA's office, these are the real
[1:28:58] Speaker 4: conversations that are had, have the real conversation about what
[1:29:02] Speaker 4: can we release without affecting the integrity of the investigation. Now,
[1:29:07] Speaker 4: whether she can release it under Mississippi law, I don't
[1:29:10] Speaker 4: practice and live in Mississippi. I don't know what it
[1:29:11] Speaker 4: is there in Texas it could be released. We don't
[1:29:14] Speaker 4: have this, at least not that I know of. We
[1:29:16] Speaker 4: didn't have any thing where we had to hold an
[1:29:18] Speaker 4: autopsy before it could go in front of a grand jury.
[1:29:21] Speaker 4: So that may be an election on their part. I
[1:29:23] Speaker 4: do think, generally, from a law enforcement standpoint, it is
[1:29:26] Speaker 4: smarter to keep information in before it goes to a
[1:29:31] Speaker 4: grand jury, before you disseminate it, especially in a case
[1:29:34] Speaker 4: that is a high profile case. I mean, I just
[1:29:36] Speaker 4: think that that's their ethical duty to try to be
[1:29:38] Speaker 4: good stewards of the case that they're building. Whether they
[1:29:42] Speaker 4: have to do that is a different question. Whether they
[1:29:45] Speaker 4: always do that is a different question. I don't know
[1:29:47] Speaker 4: those things, but I do know there's some benefit to
[1:29:50] Speaker 4: being smart with that. But I will say on the
[1:29:52] Speaker 4: opposite side of that, every time I see a statement
[1:29:55] Speaker 4: like this, I think about Bob McCullough and the Michael
[1:29:58] Speaker 4: Brown yep. And if you remember in those statements what
[1:30:02] Speaker 4: they tried to do. Yes, they tried to get people's
[1:30:05] Speaker 4: assurance that you could trust the process by using the
[1:30:09] Speaker 4: grand jury as this nevite thing that exists out in
[1:30:12] Speaker 4: the ether and you can trust what's going to come
[1:30:14] Speaker 4: from it because we took it to the grand jury. Now,
[1:30:17] Speaker 4: I can't say what I ever did in front of
[1:30:18] Speaker 4: a grand jury as a former prosecutor even but I
[1:30:21] Speaker 4: will tell you, at least in Texas, the only entity
[1:30:24] Speaker 4: that has a right to go in front of the
[1:30:26] Speaker 4: grand jury like as a matter of course, is the prosecutor,
[1:30:30] Speaker 4: not the other side. So what is said in a
[1:30:32] Speaker 4: grand jury room? In fact, you might remember with Bob McCullough,
[1:30:35] Speaker 4: they were frustrated. People were frustrated that they weren't actually
[1:30:39] Speaker 4: endorsing a specific charge to the grand jury. They were
[1:30:42] Speaker 4: asking the grand jury to see if they saw something,
[1:30:44] Speaker 4: and then no indictment came for Darren Wilson from that now,
[1:30:47] Speaker 4: I will concede depending on the place that you are.
[1:30:51] Speaker 4: I think sometimes the law is written that a grand
[1:30:53] Speaker 4: jury should recommend the charge, So there's a legal way
[1:30:57] Speaker 4: to look at that in different regards, but the law.
[1:31:00] Speaker 4: Your point is, I think sometimes prosecutors in high profile
[1:31:03] Speaker 4: situations use the grand jury as a means of getting
[1:31:07] Speaker 4: heat off themselves, and then if it comes down where
[1:31:10] Speaker 4: there's no indictment, they say, hey, we gave it to
[1:31:12] Speaker 4: twelve people in the community. They looked at it. This
[1:31:14] Speaker 4: is the mechanism for determining this no blood on our hands.
[1:31:17] Speaker 4: And I don't know that she's doing that here. I
[1:31:20] Speaker 4: will say, I think this statement was more robust than
[1:31:24] Speaker 4: a lot of times you see from prosecutors, at least
[1:31:26] Speaker 4: explaining part of the law. But I also recognize that
[1:31:30] Speaker 4: she's got her own interest, which is looking like she's
[1:31:34] Speaker 4: handling this correctly and maybe re election down the end
[1:31:37] Speaker 4: of the you know, the end of her term, and
[1:31:40] Speaker 4: that calls into question what's actually going on behind the
[1:31:43] Speaker 4: behind the scenes. But I do think there is a
[1:31:45] Speaker 4: valid time to keep information in especially in a high
[1:31:50] Speaker 4: profile case like this, especially where you know there's going
[1:31:54] Speaker 4: to be two contingents of people on both sides of
[1:31:57] Speaker 4: however it comes down, there's going to be a group
[1:31:59] Speaker 4: of people who are happy about the outcome and a
[1:32:00] Speaker 4: group of people who are very unhappy about the outcome.
[1:32:03] Speaker 4: And I think they want to control as much information
[1:32:05] Speaker 4: going out at this point, So it makes sense to
[1:32:08] Speaker 4: me logically, But I also think that there may be
[1:32:11] Speaker 4: some space where they could totally release the autopsy without
[1:32:14] Speaker 4: running a foul of the law, and maybe they're just
[1:32:16] Speaker 4: choosing not to do that.
[1:32:17] Speaker 1: Well, Ken, as Matt decided to take your thunder, I
[1:32:21] Speaker 1: was going to specifically ask you about that Saint Louis
[1:32:24] Speaker 1: case in terms of how they were, like, well, when
[1:32:28] Speaker 1: we just took to the grand jury and you know
[1:32:30] Speaker 1: they decided, I mean, this is giving me shades of that, and.
[1:32:37] Speaker 13: Grand juries are sealed, right, so we don't know what
[1:32:39] Speaker 13: that process is going to be that will ultimately give
[1:32:41] Speaker 13: us the decision after the grandeur process is complete. I
[1:32:45] Speaker 13: think the other thing is that so far they've released
[1:32:48] Speaker 13: everything else, we've already had the you know, the police
[1:32:51] Speaker 13: come to a conclusion that there was no foul play
[1:32:53] Speaker 13: involved by like day or two or three after they
[1:32:56] Speaker 13: found the body. We have information in audio and video
[1:33:00] Speaker 13: and statements and and and people talking and press conferences,
[1:33:04] Speaker 13: and now you want to stop at the autopsy. So
[1:33:07] Speaker 13: we are already in a position where we have talked
[1:33:10] Speaker 13: about this in any other case so much that your
[1:33:14] Speaker 13: idea of an impartial jury and the sixth Amendment right
[1:33:17] Speaker 13: to a fair and public trial, it's.
[1:33:20] Speaker 9: Already kind of diminished.
[1:33:22] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:33:22] Speaker 13: We know that people are going to go in there
[1:33:25] Speaker 13: and they're going to have to be They're going to
[1:33:26] Speaker 13: have to be reversed in terms of their thoughts because
[1:33:29] Speaker 13: they have Everybody has information about this case, and you're
[1:33:32] Speaker 13: supposed to go inside essay as a potential person, as
[1:33:36] Speaker 13: on a jury, as an impartial juror someone who can
[1:33:39] Speaker 13: clean the slate and.
[1:33:40] Speaker 4: Go in there.
[1:33:41] Speaker 13: So even we have all this information, give us the
[1:33:45] Speaker 13: autopsy too, because we have so much already, it just
[1:33:49] Speaker 13: it doesn't matter. We have too much that we've been discussing,
[1:33:52] Speaker 13: even with what the autopsy has given.
[1:33:54] Speaker 9: Us so far.
[1:33:55] Speaker 13: This red spot at the back of Nolan's neck, We've
[1:33:59] Speaker 13: been talking about that for everybody, everybody, everywhere, people who
[1:34:03] Speaker 13: could potentially be on the jury and everything. We also
[1:34:07] Speaker 13: know this about what happens in the court of law.
[1:34:10] Speaker 13: Who knows what evidence is even going to make it
[1:34:12] Speaker 13: inside of the trial. If it goes to trial, it
[1:34:15] Speaker 13: all goes through a process where really the evidence is
[1:34:19] Speaker 13: you have to go through a process, and certain evidence
[1:34:21] Speaker 13: makes it and certain evidence that doesn't.
[1:34:24] Speaker 9: So we don't even know what's going to be considered.
[1:34:26] Speaker 13: So we might as well see what all of it is,
[1:34:29] Speaker 13: because this is all part of the process in terms
[1:34:31] Speaker 13: of us being taxpayers keeping the lights on at the courthouse,
[1:34:35] Speaker 13: paying the prosecutor, paying people who are on the jury.
[1:34:38] Speaker 13: It's our right to see everything, and it's our right
[1:34:41] Speaker 13: as the public to have access to everything.
[1:34:44] Speaker 11: Starting now, Michael, Yeah, Roland, this does seem like somewhat
[1:34:51] Speaker 11: of a diversion to take heat off of the district
[1:34:57] Speaker 11: attorney's office, take heed off of the in county sheriff's office,
[1:35:01] Speaker 11: because we still not only are we still waiting on
[1:35:05] Speaker 11: the autopsy, but we're still waiting on the toxicology report
[1:35:07] Speaker 11: from from my understand okay uh. And then if it
[1:35:12] Speaker 11: does go to a grand jury, will there be a suspect?
[1:35:18] Speaker 11: So you know, I don't know the law there in Mississippi,
[1:35:24] Speaker 11: but I know in other cases they would at least
[1:35:28] Speaker 11: like here in the state of Michigan, they would at
[1:35:30] Speaker 11: least release.
[1:35:32] Speaker 14: What the finding of the autopsy was.
[1:35:34] Speaker 11: Now they mean they have a big press conte but
[1:35:36] Speaker 11: they may me they may say what the cause of
[1:35:39] Speaker 11: death was based upon the autopsy.
[1:35:41] Speaker 14: Okay. So this doesn't give me a good feeling.
[1:35:47] Speaker 11: Okay, this this doesn't And you know, I hope they
[1:35:53] Speaker 11: do their due diligence. Everybody wants that. But when you
[1:35:57] Speaker 11: when you start talking about the grand jury, you know,
[1:36:00] Speaker 11: I understand the process.
[1:36:01] Speaker 14: Okay, but.
[1:36:04] Speaker 11: Grand jury is not always cracked up to be because
[1:36:06] Speaker 11: he's just might said Matt said. It's just the prosecutor
[1:36:09] Speaker 11: there presenting the evidence. You don't hear the other signs.
[1:36:13] Speaker 11: It's not all it is cracked up to be.
[1:36:15] Speaker 1: Well, bomb line is, we know what happens here, y'all.
[1:36:19] Speaker 1: This came in late, and it shows you how sheerly
[1:36:22] Speaker 1: how stupid Donald Trump is. So he is so upset
[1:36:25] Speaker 1: because the Smithsonian Museum of American History tells the truth
[1:36:29] Speaker 1: that this fool is signing executive order to go to
[1:36:32] Speaker 1: MyPad this New York Times that he's ordering warning signs
[1:36:36] Speaker 1: placed outside of the museum saying they're telling inaccurate history,
[1:36:40] Speaker 1: So it said the unusual directive made through an executive
[1:36:44] Speaker 1: order was a considerable escalation of the presidents to speak
[1:36:47] Speaker 1: with the Smithsonian and his history report. The order went
[1:36:50] Speaker 1: so far as to suggest that the signage informed potential
[1:36:53] Speaker 1: museum and visitors of locations where American history is better presented.
[1:36:58] Speaker 1: The administration did not explain where the public would be redirected.
[1:37:02] Speaker 2: Oh that that's great. So it's like no, Michael, likee no, no,
[1:37:05] Speaker 2: no no no.
[1:37:06] Speaker 1: Don't don't. Don't go to the slavery section. No no, no, no,
[1:37:09] Speaker 1: no no, go to the white power section. Like skip
[1:37:12] Speaker 1: that one.
[1:37:14] Speaker 11: It's scary black people that they talk about in there.
[1:37:17] Speaker 14: Warning warning, you know is DEI is revision is history.
[1:37:22] Speaker 11: They're talking about the country was stolen from Native Americans
[1:37:26] Speaker 11: and built by slaves.
[1:37:27] Speaker 14: Warning, warning their line. So once again this is this
[1:37:32] Speaker 14: man is sick.
[1:37:33] Speaker 11: I mean, god, look, I've never seen I've never seen
[1:37:38] Speaker 11: anything as decrepit as stupid as Donald Trump, who's ignorant
[1:37:43] Speaker 11: their history but wants to go to war with historians. So,
[1:37:46] Speaker 11: just as the parental advisory stickers on music in the
[1:37:50] Speaker 11: nineties and the two thousands caused more people to buy
[1:37:53] Speaker 11: that music.
[1:37:55] Speaker 14: That had that type of language.
[1:37:56] Speaker 11: Maybe this will cause more people to go to these
[1:37:58] Speaker 11: museums and so sport them and support black owned museums
[1:38:02] Speaker 11: as well. Warning warning, it's scary black people in there.
[1:38:05] Speaker 11: It's Nat Turner, it's the Haitian Revolution. Warning warning. So
[1:38:10] Speaker 11: what what can you just say?
[1:38:12] Speaker 9: This?
[1:38:13] Speaker 14: I mean, this is the dumbest white man I've ever
[1:38:15] Speaker 14: seen in my life.
[1:38:16] Speaker 13: I'm saying, you should always have somebody in your corner
[1:38:20] Speaker 13: to tell you when you have a dumb idea. He
[1:38:23] Speaker 13: just doesn't have those people because he's dumb. I mean this,
[1:38:29] Speaker 13: I mean, and this is par for the course. Every
[1:38:32] Speaker 13: single idea he has he tries to carry it out,
[1:38:36] Speaker 13: and as you said, unsuccessfully, right, because these signs aren't
[1:38:40] Speaker 13: even complete in terms of what they should go to
[1:38:42] Speaker 13: and what they shouldn't go to. I keep just saying
[1:38:47] Speaker 13: I'm not surprised, but it's also a lesson to be
[1:38:50] Speaker 13: learned in terms of how he functions and how.
[1:38:53] Speaker 9: He just does what he wants to do.
[1:38:56] Speaker 13: It's amazing to see him in action, and I gotta
[1:38:59] Speaker 13: be honest that a lot of lessons to be learned.
[1:39:01] Speaker 13: You know, why you say something, you do something enough
[1:39:03] Speaker 13: people will eventually begin to believe in your product and
[1:39:08] Speaker 13: endorse you. And that's how he's gotten a lot of
[1:39:10] Speaker 13: people on his train, because he does exactly what he wants.
[1:39:13] Speaker 2: He's an insane idiot.
[1:39:15] Speaker 10: Matt, Yeah, now this is true.
[1:39:19] Speaker 4: Yeah, man, you know you down bad if you're beefing
[1:39:21] Speaker 4: with the Smithsonian.
[1:39:22] Speaker 1: I mean, god, warning signs have white fragility.
[1:39:32] Speaker 4: Warning signs at the Smithsonian. See also Smithsonian came about
[1:39:36] Speaker 4: because a British guy left a bunch of money. He
[1:39:38] Speaker 4: hadn't even visited America, a British scientist. So you know,
[1:39:41] Speaker 4: if you want to tout that teut that a white
[1:39:43] Speaker 4: guy started the Smithsonian, but this is just you know, absurd.
[1:39:47] Speaker 4: I love the way can just frame that he doesn't
[1:39:49] Speaker 4: have anybody in that White House who will tell him
[1:39:51] Speaker 4: that he has a dumb idea. But there's gotta be
[1:39:53] Speaker 4: somebody in there, Like we're really beefing with the Smithsonian
[1:39:55] Speaker 4: right now, we have bigger fish to fry. But this
[1:39:58] Speaker 4: is a part of that fragility. And this is also
[1:40:00] Speaker 4: to that propaganda machine that attacks everything that is not
[1:40:06] Speaker 4: prototypical white and whatever you think is red blooded American.
[1:40:09] Speaker 4: And if it doesn't say that America hasn't had its
[1:40:13] Speaker 4: warts over the two hundred and fifty years, then you
[1:40:17] Speaker 4: know it's revision is history and it needs to be attacked.
[1:40:20] Speaker 4: And that's what we're saying. And it's absolutely stupid.
[1:40:23] Speaker 2: All right, folks, So I gotta go to break. We
[1:40:25] Speaker 2: come back.
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[1:42:44] Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Malcolm Lee and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered.
[1:42:54] Speaker 1: All right, folks, it is being forty eight hours of
[1:42:57] Speaker 1: a lot of drama. At Howard University, more than five
[1:43:00] Speaker 1: hundred students audition enrolled due to failing to pay fees,
[1:43:04] Speaker 1: and folks it all over the place. Lots of blame
[1:43:07] Speaker 1: game video was posted on social media of a parent
[1:43:10] Speaker 1: who went to Howard who came went to physically the
[1:43:14] Speaker 1: university to pay, but they wouldn't let her pay. So
[1:43:18] Speaker 1: it's just been crazy. And one of the things that
[1:43:21] Speaker 1: also that I need to go ahead and say this
[1:43:23] Speaker 1: here Howard University. What's the point of having a communications
[1:43:27] Speaker 1: department if you don't communicate to the people listen written statements?
[1:43:31] Speaker 1: I get it, But why do you pay people a
[1:43:35] Speaker 1: VP for communications and other public information officers if you're
[1:43:38] Speaker 1: not publicly coming out and explaining to people what's going
[1:43:42] Speaker 1: on so they understand.
[1:43:44] Speaker 2: Is only to your benefit.
[1:43:46] Speaker 1: That's the point of an office of communications. How about
[1:43:50] Speaker 1: you communicate, folks. On Thursday, the Extra Funding Foundation announcements
[1:43:55] Speaker 1: full support for Howard students, offering financial resources. It was
[1:43:58] Speaker 1: found in twenty twenty three three. The ordination aims to
[1:44:01] Speaker 1: prevent college dropouts among first generation, minority and low income students.
[1:44:05] Speaker 1: Shane Vincent is the executi director and founder of the
[1:44:07] Speaker 1: Extra Funding Foundation. She joins us right now, I glad
[1:44:10] Speaker 1: to have you here, So all right, what the hell
[1:44:14] Speaker 1: do you make of all of this? And listen, I'm
[1:44:17] Speaker 1: gonna play a video on the moment, Doctor Aaron Lynch.
[1:44:19] Speaker 1: She posted a video on Instagram which she said, listen,
[1:44:21] Speaker 1: there's some responsibility on the side of students and parents
[1:44:26] Speaker 1: to make sure they are following up with the right information.
[1:44:28] Speaker 1: There's also responsibility on Howard University side.
[1:44:34] Speaker 25: Absolutely, absolutely, thank you so much for having me and
[1:44:36] Speaker 25: just for allowing Estra fund Fundation to be a part
[1:44:38] Speaker 25: of this very important conversation. Again, my name is SHANEA.
[1:44:42] Speaker 7: Vincent.
[1:44:42] Speaker 25: I am the founder and executive director of Ester Friends Foundation,
[1:44:45] Speaker 25: also known as EFM. We are a five h one
[1:44:48] Speaker 25: C three nonprofit organization working to prevent college dropouts by
[1:44:52] Speaker 25: helping students overcome financial hardship and emergencies. As a proud
[1:44:56] Speaker 25: Florida A and M alumni myself and an HBC you graduate,
[1:44:59] Speaker 25: this issue is deeply personal to me. For the past
[1:45:03] Speaker 25: several years, I have had the opportunity to directly work
[1:45:05] Speaker 25: with college students and help them navigate financial challenges and emergencies.
[1:45:10] Speaker 25: So I am grateful for the opportunity to discuss who
[1:45:12] Speaker 25: we are and how EFF is supporting Effective Howard University students.
[1:45:16] Speaker 1: So, how are y'all helping them? And how much money
[1:45:19] Speaker 1: have you already held out?
[1:45:22] Speaker 14: Yes?
[1:45:22] Speaker 7: Absolutely so.
[1:45:23] Speaker 25: EFF recognizes how stressful and discouraging this situation is for
[1:45:28] Speaker 25: effective Howard University students. One way that we are currently
[1:45:31] Speaker 25: helping students is through our EFF Howard Health Desk.
[1:45:34] Speaker 9: So.
[1:45:34] Speaker 25: This desk provides private, consent based support to effective students.
[1:45:39] Speaker 25: EFF helps each student organize their timeline, identify missing information
[1:45:44] Speaker 25: and gather relevant documentation, and contact the appropriate Howard office,
[1:45:49] Speaker 25: and also prepare a clear advocacy or reinstatement request. We
[1:45:54] Speaker 25: also have started a public petition and we are asking
[1:45:58] Speaker 25: that Howard reviews each case in a timely manner as students.
[1:46:04] Speaker 25: As we've been working with students for the last few
[1:46:06] Speaker 25: days and students have seen they've heard nothing from Howard
[1:46:10] Speaker 25: since being unenrolled.
[1:46:12] Speaker 1: How many Howard students are y'all currently working with?
[1:46:15] Speaker 25: So as of right now, Ester Funt Foundation, our Help
[1:46:18] Speaker 25: Us has received over fifty six verified student cases.
[1:46:22] Speaker 1: Gotcha fifty six student cases? And how many of those
[1:46:26] Speaker 1: fifty six? How many have y'all helped resolve?
[1:46:29] Speaker 25: So we're currently working on all cases right now. We've
[1:46:33] Speaker 25: only been able to reinstate one student, but again we
[1:46:37] Speaker 25: have no We have no authorization on actually reinstating the students.
[1:46:42] Speaker 25: That's up to Howard, but we're able to at least
[1:46:45] Speaker 25: help students organize their their case.
[1:46:49] Speaker 1: All right, So folks, So, folks who want to reach
[1:46:52] Speaker 1: out to you, how do they do so?
[1:46:55] Speaker 25: Yes, students and family and parents can reach out to
[1:46:59] Speaker 25: nationals at esther us in dot org. We also have
[1:47:02] Speaker 25: organized and Emergency Balance really fund, So we're currently raising
[1:47:06] Speaker 25: funds to help eligible Howard students with verified balances to
[1:47:11] Speaker 25: pay off their balances that if that is affecting them
[1:47:13] Speaker 25: from returning back to Howard.
[1:47:17] Speaker 2: Got you real quick from the panel. Any questions?
[1:47:25] Speaker 4: Thank you for helping U. Oh, go ahead, Candice.
[1:47:30] Speaker 13: I'm just wondering what is the miscommunication that you are
[1:47:36] Speaker 13: seeing because often and I went to Howard, Matt and
[1:47:39] Speaker 13: I know about the A building and the administration building.
[1:47:41] Speaker 13: We can talk about that another time. But you know,
[1:47:45] Speaker 13: oftentimes these cases and financial aid are pending or information
[1:47:50] Speaker 13: is not.
[1:47:50] Speaker 9: Communicated, the system is not caught up.
[1:47:53] Speaker 13: I mean, I can't believe we're still talking about this
[1:47:54] Speaker 13: in twenty twenty six, but that's how it was when
[1:47:57] Speaker 13: I went there and would be up at four am
[1:47:59] Speaker 13: trying to get in line in order to talk to someone.
[1:48:02] Speaker 13: So are you finding that that's what the consistent story
[1:48:05] Speaker 13: is is that it's a financial financial aid pending problem
[1:48:09] Speaker 13: or is it a miscommunication problem? They just didn't know
[1:48:12] Speaker 13: what are the fifty six people telling you?
[1:48:16] Speaker 25: So students have communicated that they are waiting for a
[1:48:22] Speaker 25: to post. They stated that Howard said that they had
[1:48:26] Speaker 25: until August third, I believe, or a date in August
[1:48:30] Speaker 25: to get there to get their balance paid. But then
[1:48:34] Speaker 25: they unenrolled them at an earlier an earlier date, so
[1:48:38] Speaker 25: they were a little confused on that. Howard said it
[1:48:42] Speaker 25: repeatedly communicated that requirement over the last few months since March,
[1:48:47] Speaker 25: but students were just letting us know that they thought
[1:48:50] Speaker 25: they had an extended deadline to get that completed.
[1:48:55] Speaker 13: Yeah, that's exactly what we need. A real spokesperson.
[1:48:58] Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, absolutely, Matt, you want to say something.
[1:49:02] Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just going to thank you, Shane for
[1:49:05] Speaker 4: you and your team helping students. I think been in
[1:49:08] Speaker 4: the love myself of Howard. Candice is exactly right. This
[1:49:11] Speaker 4: was an issue unfortunately when I was there, back when
[1:49:15] Speaker 4: I graduated in two thousand and eight and before. So
[1:49:17] Speaker 4: it's a perennial issue and there is kind of dual responsibility.
[1:49:21] Speaker 4: But I'm glad there are organizations like yours that help
[1:49:23] Speaker 4: because this really imperils a lot of students matriculation through
[1:49:27] Speaker 4: the university, so I'm glad there's someone there trying to
[1:49:29] Speaker 4: help them.
[1:49:31] Speaker 7: Yes, absolutely.
[1:49:32] Speaker 25: Students can also request a donation by sending us an
[1:49:35] Speaker 25: email as well as we are on standby to help
[1:49:37] Speaker 25: out with school supplies, grocery, emails, transportation, etc.
[1:49:41] Speaker 2: All right, well, she'll appreciate it.
[1:49:42] Speaker 4: Thanks a lot, Thank you so much, folks.
[1:49:45] Speaker 1: Doctor Aaron Lynch She, of course, she's the president of
[1:49:49] Speaker 1: the Quality Education for Minority Network.
[1:49:53] Speaker 2: Often she's an HBCU researcher.
[1:49:55] Speaker 1: She posted this on Instagram, explaining also what went on here?
[1:49:59] Speaker 26: Check this out, my youngest I was already warming that
[1:50:02] Speaker 26: I'm probably gonna get canceled and lose some followers because
[1:50:04] Speaker 26: of this video. But I need to speak about the
[1:50:06] Speaker 26: Howard situation. Y'all already know I stand ten toes down
[1:50:08] Speaker 26: for my HBCUs always as an advocate. I was educated
[1:50:11] Speaker 26: by one, I worked it too. I have stepped foot
[1:50:13] Speaker 26: on seventy eight of the one hundred and three campuses,
[1:50:15] Speaker 26: so you already know. I always come from a place
[1:50:17] Speaker 26: of love and do no harm for my HBCUs. Some doctor,
[1:50:20] Speaker 26: doctor Aaron, I have a PhD. In industrial organist, psychology
[1:50:23] Speaker 26: and ED and curriculum instruction. And I've been an educational
[1:50:25] Speaker 26: leader for the last twenty years. So if you're coming
[1:50:26] Speaker 26: across this video, I means universe wants to connect. So
[1:50:28] Speaker 26: go ahead and follow, or you can just leave a
[1:50:30] Speaker 26: comment because I'd love to hear your.
[1:50:31] Speaker 7: Thoughts on this conversation.
[1:50:32] Speaker 26: Right now, everyone is really upset with Howard University, and
[1:50:34] Speaker 26: so while we're talking about what the university should have
[1:50:36] Speaker 26: or could have done, we also need to have the
[1:50:38] Speaker 26: conversation about the responsibilities for students and families in the
[1:50:41] Speaker 26: financial aid clearance process because the university may actually be
[1:50:44] Speaker 26: limiting what they can say publicly to be able to
[1:50:46] Speaker 26: protect student privacy, which I fully support. I, on the
[1:50:48] Speaker 26: other hand, don't have that, and so I'm going to
[1:50:50] Speaker 26: explain to us the process and how it usually works
[1:50:52] Speaker 26: for institutions.
[1:50:53] Speaker 7: We know pay for schools complicated.
[1:50:55] Speaker 26: There is a reason why people have literally built entire
[1:50:57] Speaker 26: businesses around helping families to navigate education, and they know
[1:51:01] Speaker 26: who they are. Let's step out of our feelings for
[1:51:02] Speaker 26: a moment and actually unpack the financial clearance process using
[1:51:05] Speaker 26: facts and standard university procedures. Okay, but I've worked at
[1:51:09] Speaker 26: five different colleges, and although every institution has its own policies,
[1:51:13] Speaker 26: the base a process is usually the same. Students who
[1:51:16] Speaker 26: receive some sort of outside scholarship are typically required to
[1:51:19] Speaker 26: submit official documentation to the university scholarship office. That documentation
[1:51:23] Speaker 26: is clearly identifying the student, the scholarship provider, the award amount,
[1:51:27] Speaker 26: and when that payment is expected. The university then verifies
[1:51:30] Speaker 26: the award and determines whether or not it is sufficient
[1:51:32] Speaker 26: enough to reduce or to eliminate any type of upfront payment.
[1:51:35] Speaker 26: Now notice eliminate or reduce upfront payment. There is still
[1:51:38] Speaker 26: an upfront payment for our institutions because ultimately our college
[1:51:42] Speaker 26: universities are still businesses. They still have to operate as businesses.
[1:51:46] Speaker 26: So in some cases of verified scholarship may be entered
[1:51:48] Speaker 26: into a student's account as awarded but not yet paid.
[1:51:51] Speaker 26: This allows the university some actual time to recognize that
[1:51:54] Speaker 26: the funding is expected, even though the money hasn't arrived yet.
[1:51:57] Speaker 26: But the student's record should also include some sort of
[1:51:59] Speaker 26: notes that dot about what the award is and its
[1:52:01] Speaker 26: current status. And this is exactly what ol Chikipo said
[1:52:03] Speaker 26: last night on Roland Martin going.
[1:52:04] Speaker 6: To cut the check, like Scholarship America says and does,
[1:52:06] Speaker 6: will send it to you with the college's name. You
[1:52:08] Speaker 6: send it to them. I forward that email to the
[1:52:10] Speaker 6: director of financial aid. They put a note in her
[1:52:13] Speaker 6: account and they credit her the amount of the scholarship
[1:52:16] Speaker 6: because they know the money's on the way.
[1:52:17] Speaker 26: Time stamp written documentation is provided to the college period.
[1:52:20] Speaker 26: In the case of the students of Howard, if these
[1:52:23] Speaker 26: things were actually done, there would be time stamped proof,
[1:52:26] Speaker 26: being either the emails that they submitted or the financial
[1:52:28] Speaker 26: aid module that they use an access HU student portal.
[1:52:30] Speaker 26: I mean, there's a record showing that they followed the steps,
[1:52:33] Speaker 26: that they did what they were supposed to do when
[1:52:34] Speaker 26: they were supposed to do it before the deadlines. The
[1:52:36] Speaker 26: scholarship office typically then works with the Bursar's office, completely
[1:52:39] Speaker 26: different office that's to make sure that any type of
[1:52:41] Speaker 26: credits that shouldn't be reflected on the students account are
[1:52:44] Speaker 26: done so correctly. So even if you call a financial
[1:52:46] Speaker 26: aid office, it's not the financial aid office that actually
[1:52:48] Speaker 26: handles the student account, it's the bursar's office. Students should
[1:52:51] Speaker 26: also be able to review their credits, their charges, their balances,
[1:52:54] Speaker 26: all through their student portal. And in this instance, Howard
[1:52:56] Speaker 26: University used to use a system called Banner. Now they
[1:52:59] Speaker 26: use the system called work Day, and they're probably using
[1:53:01] Speaker 26: a system called power faid. So power faid to be
[1:53:04] Speaker 26: able to supplement any type of thing that work Day
[1:53:05] Speaker 26: can't handle. All of these platforms allow students in their
[1:53:08] Speaker 26: families the access to be able to monitor all of
[1:53:10] Speaker 26: their pending scholarships. They can create reports, they can document
[1:53:13] Speaker 26: any type of account activity, and they make any type
[1:53:16] Speaker 26: adjustments to those funds as they arrive in the portal
[1:53:19] Speaker 26: from the bursau's office. Here's the really big part that
[1:53:21] Speaker 26: most people are actually missing. Right, So even when you
[1:53:23] Speaker 26: have a scholarship or financial aid that's expected, you still
[1:53:26] Speaker 26: might have to do a payment plan because they need
[1:53:28] Speaker 26: to be able to ensure that those funds are going
[1:53:30] Speaker 26: to come through. Colleges are educational institutions, they are also businesses.
[1:53:33] Speaker 26: They still have to do payroll. They have housing, and
[1:53:35] Speaker 26: they have utilities, they have technology, these food services, all
[1:53:37] Speaker 26: types of other expenses. So university cannot automatically extend an
[1:53:41] Speaker 26: unlimited line of credit to students whose outside funding might
[1:53:45] Speaker 26: not have arrived. So this is why students typically have
[1:53:47] Speaker 26: to sign up for a payment plan to ensure that
[1:53:49] Speaker 26: they're going to pay the university for those services, even
[1:53:52] Speaker 26: before the scholarship actually shows up.
[1:53:54] Speaker 10: A lot of times.
[1:53:55] Speaker 26: Students and their families are encouraged to make some sort
[1:53:56] Speaker 26: of minimum required payment. So whether that's your one hundred
[1:53:59] Speaker 26: dollars deposit, your threehn or dollar posit doesn't matter most
[1:54:01] Speaker 26: institutions require. What happens is if your scholarship doesn't come
[1:54:04] Speaker 26: through in time and you had to do the payment plan,
[1:54:07] Speaker 26: then when that scholarship or financial aid is finally received
[1:54:10] Speaker 26: from whoever that third party is, then overpayment is charged
[1:54:13] Speaker 26: to your account and you get a refund, so you
[1:54:15] Speaker 26: end up getting.
[1:54:15] Speaker 1: The money back.
[1:54:16] Speaker 26: This is why I feel like folks need to have
[1:54:18] Speaker 26: this conversation. This is where family accountability comes in. We
[1:54:20] Speaker 26: get the emails from the federal government that tells us
[1:54:22] Speaker 26: when it's time for us to go ahead and improve
[1:54:24] Speaker 26: our students' financial aid requirements. We get the notifications from
[1:54:27] Speaker 26: the school and in this case, I don't know what
[1:54:29] Speaker 26: more Howard University could have done. If you notice, their
[1:54:32] Speaker 26: financial aid has a whole YouTube page dedicated to this process.
[1:54:35] Speaker 26: Their Instagram has videos their Instagram has had sessions about
[1:54:39] Speaker 26: what to do for financial aid. The students themselves have
[1:54:42] Speaker 26: admitted that multiple emails have gone out. What more do
[1:54:45] Speaker 26: we want the school to be able to do in
[1:54:46] Speaker 26: this case? I don't understand. Ultimately, colleges are still businesses
[1:54:49] Speaker 26: of this is what we have to understand for it
[1:54:51] Speaker 26: Howard For example, So according to their iPads in twenty
[1:54:53] Speaker 26: twenty four, they had two hundred and fifty five million,
[1:54:55] Speaker 26: five hundred and thirty five thousand dollars intuition and revenues
[1:54:58] Speaker 26: that was generated. I said only because their total expenses
[1:55:02] Speaker 26: as an institution was one point one seven four billion
[1:55:05] Speaker 26: dollars and they reported only one point two four to
[1:55:08] Speaker 26: five billion in revenue which comes from grant revenue, contributions
[1:55:11] Speaker 26: and doowmen returns, athletics, all those things. In that year
[1:55:14] Speaker 26: they awarded one hundred and eighty nine million in discounts
[1:55:17] Speaker 26: and allowances twenty eight point five million which came from
[1:55:19] Speaker 26: their endowment returns. So when students have that standing balances,
[1:55:23] Speaker 26: the school that has to float that money and if
[1:55:25] Speaker 26: the payment plan is not in place, and that means
[1:55:26] Speaker 26: the school has to figure out where get that money from,
[1:55:28] Speaker 26: and they just can't extend a line of credit like that.
[1:55:30] Speaker 26: May have so few dollars to begin with, and you
[1:55:32] Speaker 26: might think that one point two four or five billion
[1:55:34] Speaker 26: dollars in revenue is a lot, but when you pill
[1:55:36] Speaker 26: out they're one point one seven four billion in expenses, Yeah,
[1:55:39] Speaker 26: that only leaves about seventy eight million dollars for them
[1:55:40] Speaker 26: to operate off of. And that's not really the whole lot.
[1:55:43] Speaker 26: When you're trying to take care of students, are the
[1:55:44] Speaker 26: best way that you can bottom line as they discuss
[1:55:47] Speaker 26: in a role, and there's processes to these and a
[1:55:48] Speaker 26: lot of folks who are making the money off of
[1:55:50] Speaker 26: our institutions understand these processes and they're able to capitalize
[1:55:54] Speaker 26: off of it for their own benefit. I would say
[1:55:56] Speaker 26: we need to ask the hard question. We need to
[1:55:58] Speaker 26: understand that there are two signed to this coin, and
[1:56:00] Speaker 26: so asking the tough questions might not be comfortable, but
[1:56:04] Speaker 26: we can't lay the blame completely at the feet of
[1:56:06] Speaker 26: our institutions. Particular, they send out multiple emails, they have
[1:56:09] Speaker 26: well documented processes. They have a YouTube page that gives
[1:56:11] Speaker 26: all the videos. They have an Instagram page in which
[1:56:13] Speaker 26: they have shown that they've had multiple sessions we'll to
[1:56:15] Speaker 26: help people to prepare for this. This is a situation
[1:56:18] Speaker 26: in which our feelings have gotten in the way of
[1:56:20] Speaker 26: the actual facts. And so I beg you all to
[1:56:23] Speaker 26: dig a little deeper, and before we start doing all
[1:56:25] Speaker 26: of this public bashing of the institution, that we remember
[1:56:28] Speaker 26: that there are two signs of the story and two
[1:56:30] Speaker 26: signs to this coin. My youngest child's arenaty warming. They're
[1:56:33] Speaker 26: probab gonna get canceled, all right, And.
[1:56:34] Speaker 1: So Matt, I'm gonna start with you.
[1:56:39] Speaker 2: You said you went to Howard.
[1:56:41] Speaker 1: Why the hell couldn't Howard do this video? I mean,
[1:56:47] Speaker 1: this is what is dumb to me. What Aeron laid
[1:56:51] Speaker 1: out will just flat out facts in turn again, sending
[1:56:55] Speaker 1: out a press release doesn't do it. I got I've
[1:57:00] Speaker 1: literally got more information in her six minute video that
[1:57:05] Speaker 1: I've probably gotten from Howard's press releases in the almost
[1:57:09] Speaker 1: eight years i've had this show.
[1:57:15] Speaker 4: Well, first, I love Alma Mater, so let me start
[1:57:18] Speaker 4: with that. But in my love, I will say that
[1:57:22] Speaker 4: you know, we've got to be held accountable. I don't
[1:57:23] Speaker 4: know why they're taking that communications tech. I think it's
[1:57:26] Speaker 4: always helpful to at least get your narrative out there.
[1:57:28] Speaker 4: I'm not a communications professional, but it's just like the
[1:57:31] Speaker 4: conversations we've recently had about Fisk and how they've got,
[1:57:34] Speaker 4: you know, their issues, and they're not talking about them
[1:57:37] Speaker 4: until you had doctor Clark on here a couple of
[1:57:40] Speaker 4: weeks ago. So I think Howard should explain this. But
[1:57:43] Speaker 4: I think there are a lot of things that add
[1:57:46] Speaker 4: contour here that I'm wondering about that I think may
[1:57:49] Speaker 4: give a fuller picture. First, in my time at Howard,
[1:57:52] Speaker 4: I graduated in two thousand and eight, right, and I remember,
[1:57:54] Speaker 4: if I remember correctly, the number that Howard got from
[1:57:57] Speaker 4: Congress annually was like two hundred and sixty million dollars.
[1:58:00] Speaker 4: I'm interested in knowing how that's changed. If it's changed.
[1:58:03] Speaker 4: I think you've talked about it on the show. What
[1:58:04] Speaker 4: I don't recall number one, number two though, These are
[1:58:07] Speaker 4: incoming freshmen. So I do think that there's got to
[1:58:10] Speaker 4: be a question of what percentage of these people just
[1:58:13] Speaker 4: didn't know the process. Information wasn't disseminated. I mean, yes,
[1:58:17] Speaker 4: there's an individual accountability part of it, but also these
[1:58:21] Speaker 4: are people who are moving from across the country to
[1:58:23] Speaker 4: go to the greatest university on earth if you ask me.
[1:58:26] Speaker 4: And there are things that are going to be lost
[1:58:28] Speaker 4: in translation, and I don't know how much of that
[1:58:31] Speaker 4: is personal. People were overlooking things. I will tell you
[1:58:35] Speaker 4: my literal story. I didn't even get a letter of
[1:58:38] Speaker 4: acceptance from Howard until I called Howard to see if
[1:58:42] Speaker 4: I was going to be accepted back in two thousand
[1:58:43] Speaker 4: and four. And I'm standing in my parents' living room
[1:58:46] Speaker 4: and a woman deadpan told me on the phone, congratulations,
[1:58:49] Speaker 4: you've been admitted to Howard University. Sometimes universities don't get
[1:58:52] Speaker 4: it right. They didn't even send me a letter until
[1:58:54] Speaker 4: after that point. My point is, sometimes processes don't work
[1:58:58] Speaker 4: the way they're supposed to work. I don't know how
[1:59:00] Speaker 4: how much of that happened in this situation. But the
[1:59:03] Speaker 4: other problem is Howard is a unique institution in that
[1:59:06] Speaker 4: I think it gets obviously outsized attention on the university.
[1:59:11] Speaker 4: I think it's the largest HBCU, but we're also in
[1:59:14] Speaker 4: HBCU that commands a lot of influence.
[1:59:16] Speaker 14: No, it's not honest, and I think, I think, YE know,
[1:59:19] Speaker 14: it's not.
[1:59:19] Speaker 1: I think it's not the largest HBCU.
[1:59:23] Speaker 4: Oh I thought it was. I thought, No, it's not.
[1:59:25] Speaker 2: It hasn't been the.
[1:59:25] Speaker 1: Largest HBCU in years. It's not the largest HBBCU. No,
[1:59:29] Speaker 1: it is not the largest HBCU. Really is Morehouse Spelman, Florida,
[1:59:35] Speaker 1: A and M gets as much attention has been in
[1:59:38] Speaker 1: the headlines as Howard as well.
[1:59:41] Speaker 4: Cool, but that that really is is not as important
[1:59:44] Speaker 4: as the larger point I was going to make is
[1:59:45] Speaker 4: that Howard benefits greatly from its lums, from its current students,
[1:59:49] Speaker 4: from its partnerships, from all of those things. So my
[1:59:51] Speaker 4: point with that is I don't think it's a one
[1:59:54] Speaker 4: to one comparison of just you know, dollars and cents
[1:59:57] Speaker 4: in terms of whether the university has a benefit to
[2:00:01] Speaker 4: floating lines of credit. Now that can't be interminable, no question,
[2:00:05] Speaker 4: But I mean the reality is they're at any institution.
[2:00:08] Speaker 4: In my time at Howard, there were people who never
[2:00:11] Speaker 4: had financial aid issues. There was always somebody who could
[2:00:14] Speaker 4: find the money, there was always a way to make
[2:00:16] Speaker 4: their account balance, And that's the reality of how things work.
[2:00:20] Speaker 4: And I think Howard benefits from a student body that
[2:00:24] Speaker 4: is very enterprising, like a lot of the other schools
[2:00:26] Speaker 4: you mentioned, and I don't think it's as simple as
[2:00:28] Speaker 4: just dollars coming in dollars going out, But the probing
[2:00:31] Speaker 4: more about the phenomenon. I think it's hard to analyze
[2:00:34] Speaker 4: this in a vacuum.
[2:00:35] Speaker 1: But the problem that you have here, Candice, We're not
[2:00:39] Speaker 1: talking thirty or forty students, We're talking five hundred.
[2:00:45] Speaker 2: That's a lot of people.
[2:00:47] Speaker 1: And there are many universities that have incoming students who
[2:00:52] Speaker 1: have to pay balances. And this is not the first
[2:00:56] Speaker 1: year Howard has had to deal with this deer. There
[2:01:01] Speaker 1: was a massive drama over students who were graduating who
[2:01:05] Speaker 1: found out that they had old fees from a year
[2:01:09] Speaker 1: or two earlier. We had an intern here who was
[2:01:13] Speaker 1: in tears because what was a number?
[2:01:15] Speaker 14: Carol.
[2:01:16] Speaker 1: I think they hit her. They hear her like, she's
[2:01:20] Speaker 1: two days from graduation. They're like, oh, you know, six
[2:01:23] Speaker 1: grand and she was like it was like a week before.
[2:01:27] Speaker 1: And another one of our interns like, literally her parents
[2:01:32] Speaker 1: had to go apply for a loan to pay this,
[2:01:36] Speaker 1: to pay the money off so she can walk across
[2:01:38] Speaker 1: the stage and hear the family already bought tickets. All
[2:01:41] Speaker 1: I'm saying is, if you keep having these issues, you
[2:01:46] Speaker 1: have an internal problem. And what leadership should say is
[2:01:52] Speaker 1: we ain't dealing with this again fixed the internal financial
[2:01:56] Speaker 1: problem because it's a black eye on the institution.
[2:02:02] Speaker 9: And it has been for decades.
[2:02:04] Speaker 13: And Matt and I here to tell you that firsthand,
[2:02:07] Speaker 13: and you can hear from other people, but this is
[2:02:09] Speaker 13: just like with the Misspellman pageant, where administration put out
[2:02:13] Speaker 13: information and there was no face.
[2:02:15] Speaker 9: I'm paying sixty seventy thousand dollars a year.
[2:02:18] Speaker 13: You've got a marketing, a PR department, as you said,
[2:02:21] Speaker 13: communications department, and no one can talk about this answer
[2:02:25] Speaker 13: questions do you know do a presser for me? Go
[2:02:28] Speaker 13: live on YouTube and TikTok and answer.
[2:02:32] Speaker 9: No one can do that.
[2:02:33] Speaker 13: In twenty twenty six, you're just gonna have all these
[2:02:35] Speaker 13: students that are just going to flail. Like you said,
[2:02:38] Speaker 13: the woman that you just played, she gave a very
[2:02:41] Speaker 13: good explanation as to what was going on. But here's
[2:02:43] Speaker 13: another thing that we have to remember about students. And
[2:02:45] Speaker 13: I've been teaching them for twenty five years, some of
[2:02:48] Speaker 13: them just don't get it because this is all new
[2:02:51] Speaker 13: to them. They might be the first ones going to college,
[2:02:54] Speaker 13: or maybe even their parents have gone to college.
[2:02:56] Speaker 9: But they're trying.
[2:02:56] Speaker 13: You know, they're out there working and they're trying to
[2:02:58] Speaker 13: figure out how to pay this sixty seventy thousand dollars
[2:03:01] Speaker 13: bill if they're living on campus. I have students who
[2:03:04] Speaker 13: don't go to class and that's that's that's an ever university, Like,
[2:03:07] Speaker 13: how does that not connect? That's because these students are
[2:03:11] Speaker 13: used to working in a different context and understanding that.
[2:03:15] Speaker 13: You know, when you pay bills to P. S and
[2:03:17] Speaker 13: G or you know, T mobile or what have you,
[2:03:21] Speaker 13: you know, they give you a little bit of time,
[2:03:22] Speaker 13: they give you a little bit of waiting, and they're
[2:03:25] Speaker 13: trained in that way, and they don't understand at all
[2:03:28] Speaker 13: the process.
[2:03:29] Speaker 9: Because even people at Howard or Harvard, it doesn't.
[2:03:32] Speaker 13: Matter Florida eight a m. Even they don't understand the process.
[2:03:35] Speaker 13: As she said, there are people who are making money
[2:03:37] Speaker 13: to make people understand the process. It is so difficult
[2:03:41] Speaker 13: and convoluted. Parents don't understand it. Students don't understand it.
[2:03:45] Speaker 13: They just are ready and hopeful and dreaming that they
[2:03:48] Speaker 13: got into the college and that hopefully when they get
[2:03:51] Speaker 13: to the A building Howard University, that someone will hear
[2:03:54] Speaker 13: their case. It's hard to get anybody to pick up
[2:03:56] Speaker 13: the phone. You got to go down there and stand
[2:03:59] Speaker 13: in line. And if you're in Wisconsin and you're waiting
[2:04:02] Speaker 13: to go in, you know you're not going there now.
[2:04:04] Speaker 9: You're waiting to come in mid August.
[2:04:06] Speaker 13: When you're going to be admitted and moving to the dorm. So,
[2:04:09] Speaker 13: like you said, it's all just a mucked up system
[2:04:12] Speaker 13: that I cannot believe they have not fixed after all
[2:04:16] Speaker 13: of these decades. Other schools have done it. Why can't they?
[2:04:20] Speaker 13: But there is fault in everybody's arena, right key, the
[2:04:26] Speaker 13: administration has got to We have to see somebody on
[2:04:30] Speaker 13: TV move their face and mouth to answer these questions
[2:04:34] Speaker 13: so that there can be some accountability right.
[2:04:36] Speaker 1: Now if you stand them for the cameras and say
[2:04:37] Speaker 1: we've had more than five hundred students that will impacted.
[2:04:41] Speaker 1: We resolved one hundred or two hundred of those cases
[2:04:43] Speaker 1: today and we've got folks working around the clock to
[2:04:47] Speaker 1: sort this out.
[2:04:47] Speaker 2: Michael, that's what you do.
[2:04:49] Speaker 1: But you also want to avoid the stuff like this
[2:04:52] Speaker 1: right here going social media of a mother showing up
[2:04:55] Speaker 1: to the university trying to pay the fees and was
[2:04:59] Speaker 1: turned away. Watch this.
[2:05:00] Speaker 9: I'm so sorry.
[2:05:01] Speaker 27: I balance is presidentally zero. Her scholarship came in today.
[2:05:10] Speaker 27: She owed the old fourteen hundred dollars. I told them
[2:05:13] Speaker 27: I will pay this now.
[2:05:15] Speaker 19: I'm Jay Lawson on the campus of Howard University because
[2:05:17] Speaker 19: over five hundred students have been unenrolled at Howard's incoming
[2:05:21] Speaker 19: freshman class now. The vice president of Enrollment says that basically.
[2:05:25] Speaker 9: The tuition had to be paid.
[2:05:26] Speaker 19: Fifty percent on the account in order for the students
[2:05:29] Speaker 19: to secure their enrollment. However, parents say that the emails
[2:05:33] Speaker 19: have been confusing frustration. A lot of parents have come
[2:05:35] Speaker 19: up to the administration building offering to pay the.
[2:05:38] Speaker 9: Remaining balance of what they believe is left.
[2:05:40] Speaker 19: On the accounts, and the administration is telling them that
[2:05:42] Speaker 19: there is nothing that they can do. The vice president
[2:05:45] Speaker 19: of Enrollment also says that some cases will be reviewed
[2:05:48] Speaker 19: on a case by case basis because there are a
[2:05:50] Speaker 19: lot of external funding and scholarships that needed to be
[2:05:53] Speaker 19: applied to accounts. But right now, a lot of the
[2:05:55] Speaker 19: students who have been turned away their families say that
[2:05:58] Speaker 19: they don't know what they're.
[2:05:59] Speaker 27: Going to do, like this money is the problem that
[2:06:02] Speaker 27: can be solved.
[2:06:04] Speaker 2: It's not there.
[2:06:05] Speaker 9: I call since may try.
[2:06:08] Speaker 27: To get in contact with somebody. They did not respond,
[2:06:13] Speaker 27: and they when they did respond they gave me miscommunication.
[2:06:16] Speaker 1: They can pull it.
[2:06:17] Speaker 27: They said, the calls are recorded, they can pull those
[2:06:20] Speaker 27: calls to hear what.
[2:06:21] Speaker 2: The again, Mike.
[2:06:26] Speaker 1: If a parent comes there and says, I can pay
[2:06:29] Speaker 1: the fourteen hundred and a scholarship has come in, you
[2:06:33] Speaker 1: resolve the issue.
[2:06:35] Speaker 2: Now.
[2:06:35] Speaker 1: Maybe what Howard has done is disenroll those five hundred
[2:06:39] Speaker 1: and enroll a new five hundred.
[2:06:41] Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just simply saying.
[2:06:43] Speaker 1: From an institution standpoint, these are not the kind of
[2:06:47] Speaker 1: videos you want publicized.
[2:06:51] Speaker 11: Yeah, you're right, it's not. And this is when you
[2:06:54] Speaker 11: need a crisis management team. If you have a background
[2:06:57] Speaker 11: of communications, you understand this. This is when you need this,
[2:07:00] Speaker 11: especially in the age of social media.
[2:07:02] Speaker 1: You have a crisis, you have a crisis management team.
[2:07:05] Speaker 1: When you have an entire communications department, you literally are
[2:07:09] Speaker 1: paying people to work in your communications office to communicate
[2:07:13] Speaker 1: when things like this happen to the public and the media.
[2:07:18] Speaker 11: In theory, yes, Roland, but where are they It's not.
[2:07:22] Speaker 14: No, it's not in theory. No, no, it's not in theory.
[2:07:26] Speaker 1: They literally are being paid right now to show up
[2:07:29] Speaker 1: to work, and there somebody had to write the press
[2:07:32] Speaker 1: release all I'm saying is you get a lot of people,
[2:07:36] Speaker 1: Wayne Frederick, you get a lot of people, Okay who
[2:07:39] Speaker 1: you no, no, no, no, no, no, mattle frown. And
[2:07:42] Speaker 1: when I see a lot of people, you don't need
[2:07:44] Speaker 1: five hundred. You can literally say provos VP enrollment, head
[2:07:50] Speaker 1: of Foredgial Affairs, Burdser, you can have your chief communication officer.
[2:07:56] Speaker 1: All I'm saying is this ain't a good look, especially agreed,
[2:08:01] Speaker 1: especially it's off this social wise got a good look.
[2:08:04] Speaker 1: It's also not a good look when you are seeing
[2:08:07] Speaker 1: record enrollment at HBCUs. And so you don't want the
[2:08:11] Speaker 1: students who are juniors or sophomore saying, hey, man, I ain't,
[2:08:15] Speaker 1: I ain't. I ain't gonna consider going to Howard because
[2:08:18] Speaker 1: of man, I'm not trying to go through that nonsense.
[2:08:21] Speaker 1: Because some of the people who got denied were Bill
[2:08:25] Speaker 1: Gates scholars, Jackie Robinson Foundation scholars. These ain't these ain't
[2:08:32] Speaker 1: Shade Tree scholarships.
[2:08:35] Speaker 8: Right.
[2:08:35] Speaker 11: So I understand they have a communications department. What I'm
[2:08:40] Speaker 11: saying is they have to do their jobs. That's That's
[2:08:43] Speaker 11: why I was saying, where are they? That's what I mean.
[2:08:45] Speaker 11: Where are they? Okay, now I understand the deadline was
[2:08:49] Speaker 11: July tenth. I'm not sure the date of that video
[2:08:52] Speaker 11: of the parents you just showed. Okay, but you know,
[2:08:56] Speaker 11: I agree with Canvas also because I remember when I
[2:08:59] Speaker 11: was a freshman. Luckily, my mother had graduated from my
[2:09:04] Speaker 11: alma mater, Wayne State, so I had somebody to help
[2:09:07] Speaker 11: me through the process, and my dad helped me through
[2:09:10] Speaker 11: the process. But if you have somebody, if you have
[2:09:12] Speaker 11: a freshman, maybe they're the first ones in their family
[2:09:16] Speaker 11: to go to college or graduate from college. Right even
[2:09:20] Speaker 11: though the university, according to the reporting, sent out notifications
[2:09:24] Speaker 11: by email, personalized financial aid information, etc. Things like this,
[2:09:29] Speaker 11: if they are multiple dates. You got somebody seventeen eighteen
[2:09:34] Speaker 11: years old, they could get confused by it.
[2:09:36] Speaker 14: Okay, so you got to.
[2:09:38] Speaker 11: Have your crisis management team actually out there doing their.
[2:09:41] Speaker 14: Job trying to solve this.
[2:09:44] Speaker 11: And you know the other thing is is, yeah, you're
[2:09:50] Speaker 11: dealing with deadlines, and sometimes people get confused of well,
[2:09:54] Speaker 11: I have this money coming. They say, I'm getting some
[2:09:56] Speaker 11: out from financial aid, so maybe I don't need to
[2:09:59] Speaker 11: do the payment plan. Well, based upon the video that
[2:10:03] Speaker 11: you showed, the previous video and looking at the reporting,
[2:10:07] Speaker 11: even if you have the funds coming, you still have
[2:10:10] Speaker 11: to do a payment plan to have a certain percentage
[2:10:14] Speaker 11: in by a certain date. So this is a mess.
[2:10:18] Speaker 11: My heart goes out to them. But hopefully, you know,
[2:10:23] Speaker 11: there's some solutions here. Hopefully they can salvage this. But
[2:10:27] Speaker 11: this does not look good for Howard University.
[2:10:29] Speaker 1: Well this was the press your lead's posted on their website.
[2:10:32] Speaker 1: Their media contact are Lydia Sermons or Carol Wilkerson. I'm saying,
[2:10:37] Speaker 1: y'all need to get in front of a camera. I
[2:10:40] Speaker 1: just again, I just I can't imagine if a mother
[2:10:46] Speaker 1: says a balance is fourteen hundred dollars and a scholarship
[2:10:50] Speaker 1: just came in today, And if she comes up there
[2:10:53] Speaker 1: and say I can pay the fourteen hundred right now
[2:10:56] Speaker 1: because scholarship came in.
[2:10:58] Speaker 2: How do you not resolve that?
[2:10:59] Speaker 1: So you don't have a crime mother and daughter going
[2:11:02] Speaker 1: out to the cameras.
[2:11:03] Speaker 4: Matt, go ahead, So I do want to want to
[2:11:06] Speaker 4: speak on that. I mean, I remember when I was
[2:11:08] Speaker 4: in school. I don't know if it happened to me.
[2:11:10] Speaker 4: I'm sure it did because I had to fund my
[2:11:12] Speaker 4: education with student loans. But they used to purge people,
[2:11:15] Speaker 4: is what it was called. And probably when you were
[2:11:17] Speaker 4: still there as well candidates, they would purge people, but
[2:11:20] Speaker 4: then they would give them time to come in. Now,
[2:11:22] Speaker 4: obviously this is freshmen coming in, five hundred people from
[2:11:25] Speaker 4: this class. But I suspect Howard is going to say
[2:11:28] Speaker 4: that they're going to like she said, I think the
[2:11:30] Speaker 4: reporter said, they're going to review cases, you know, case
[2:11:34] Speaker 4: by case. So I don't know that all five hundred
[2:11:36] Speaker 4: people are going to be barred from going to Howard.
[2:11:39] Speaker 4: They may make other decisions to go. But I mean
[2:11:42] Speaker 4: even in my time there, almost twenty years ago that
[2:11:44] Speaker 4: I graduated, they would purge people out and they had
[2:11:47] Speaker 4: a system for people coming back in. I don't know
[2:11:49] Speaker 4: how they've changed it since, but this is a common
[2:11:52] Speaker 4: thing now. It is a problem that it's a common thing.
[2:11:55] Speaker 4: But I suspect all of those people aren't going to
[2:11:57] Speaker 4: be blocked out forever, because in my own time and
[2:12:00] Speaker 4: I saw that people would get purged and they would
[2:12:02] Speaker 4: be able to go back to the school. So I
[2:12:04] Speaker 4: don't know what that process is going to look like.
[2:12:06] Speaker 4: And also I think the school may be taking time
[2:12:08] Speaker 4: to investigate this before they jump out and give information
[2:12:11] Speaker 4: and then that information is false. So I agree with you.
[2:12:15] Speaker 4: I think they should address it head on. But I
[2:12:16] Speaker 4: can also see the benefit of trying to make sure
[2:12:19] Speaker 4: you have good information before you disseminate things.
[2:12:23] Speaker 2: Absolutely and listen.
[2:12:26] Speaker 1: You know, in twenty twenty four, you know you had
[2:12:31] Speaker 1: you had some eleven thousand students at Howard University of
[2:12:36] Speaker 1: North Carolina A and T. The largest HBC in the
[2:12:38] Speaker 1: country has thirteen thousand students. And all I'm saying is
[2:12:43] Speaker 1: you don't hear these stories at other large HBCUs if
[2:12:48] Speaker 1: I'm in administration, I'm asking why is.
[2:12:52] Speaker 2: It just us?
[2:12:54] Speaker 1: I got to get the last two things. I got
[2:12:56] Speaker 1: to show two right wing idiots first and foremost, Bill A.
[2:12:58] Speaker 2: Rally and Heraldo Rivera had.
[2:13:01] Speaker 1: A conversation regarding donk Trump in the election. And if
[2:13:05] Speaker 1: you want to see a completely old and decrepit hypocrite,
[2:13:11] Speaker 1: all you got to do is listen to Bill.
[2:13:13] Speaker 2: O'Reilly. You want to see stupidity, here you go.
[2:13:18] Speaker 28: And the reason that I'm successful was I work my
[2:13:20] Speaker 28: butt off, all right, and I understand how America works.
[2:13:25] Speaker 28: I understand the folks. Okay, you understand the folks too,
[2:13:31] Speaker 28: at a different level. I understand difference that you that's
[2:13:35] Speaker 28: seventy seven million people who voted for Donald Trump think
[2:13:43] Speaker 28: that the establishment media is dishonest in this country. So
[2:13:47] Speaker 28: I stepped up and developed a product. All right, products books, radio, television,
[2:13:58] Speaker 28: whereby they can access somebody who isn't corrupt me.
[2:14:04] Speaker 14: All right, you're not.
[2:14:05] Speaker 4: I agree with you, and that's what I love about you.
[2:14:07] Speaker 2: But let me ask you.
[2:14:09] Speaker 4: Did President Trump lose the twenty twenty election?
[2:14:12] Speaker 1: Yes?
[2:14:12] Speaker 14: Or no?
[2:14:13] Speaker 28: There's no evidence that he won the election. So evidence
[2:14:19] Speaker 28: is and you know this because you're a lawyer.
[2:14:22] Speaker 14: Okay, he lost. Evidence, he lost.
[2:14:25] Speaker 28: That you can take it to a federal grand jury
[2:14:29] Speaker 28: and litigate whatever the crime may be.
[2:14:32] Speaker 10: That has not happened.
[2:14:34] Speaker 28: That is a fact. Okay, So there is an evidence
[2:14:39] Speaker 28: in play.
[2:14:40] Speaker 1: There's no evidence that he won that he won the
[2:14:42] Speaker 1: election because he lost the election.
[2:14:44] Speaker 28: Okay, he lost that.
[2:14:45] Speaker 14: You're entitled to that opinion.
[2:14:48] Speaker 4: He unleash these this anarchy on the Capitol of the Heart.
[2:14:56] Speaker 28: That just happened, he clearly said peacefully, and if you
[2:15:01] Speaker 28: go on, you know, he didn't want those people to
[2:15:06] Speaker 28: go into that building, and he knew it was gonna
[2:15:09] Speaker 28: hurt him, and it did hurts.
[2:15:10] Speaker 18: People to lie about the election who won the election.
[2:15:14] Speaker 28: Lie, it's an opinion.
[2:15:16] Speaker 14: There's a difference.
[2:15:16] Speaker 28: You're gonna lie in an opinion, and you got that difference.
[2:15:23] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. The crypt keeper just said.
[2:15:28] Speaker 29: I he's probably because made a corrupt so people can
[2:15:35] Speaker 29: get the truth. So now I'm gonna lie about the election.
[2:15:45] Speaker 14: Oh, Horamo, that's your opinion. That's not fact. It's a
[2:15:51] Speaker 14: fact he lost.
[2:15:53] Speaker 1: Like, dude, you literally destroying your own argument because.
[2:15:58] Speaker 2: You're a liar.
[2:15:59] Speaker 1: Also to my eye that you're not corrupt, but you
[2:16:02] Speaker 1: did pay thirty two million dollars to settle a sexual
[2:16:06] Speaker 1: harassment lawsuit, so you are that.
[2:16:10] Speaker 2: Candice.
[2:16:15] Speaker 13: You know, this is evidence of why we are seeing
[2:16:23] Speaker 13: what we see in this United States of America, because
[2:16:26] Speaker 13: we continue to be built upon these two ideas that
[2:16:32] Speaker 13: either Trump won or Trump lost. I mean, this is
[2:16:35] Speaker 13: really just an indicative of what's going on in America.
[2:16:39] Speaker 13: I am not surprised by their exchanged. He does have
[2:16:42] Speaker 13: a point that an opinion and a lie in terms
[2:16:45] Speaker 13: of the court of law will be treated differently in
[2:16:48] Speaker 13: a court of law.
[2:16:48] Speaker 9: I will give him that.
[2:16:50] Speaker 13: There's case studies and there's law Evans and Novak if
[2:16:53] Speaker 13: anybody wants to look it up. But this is not
[2:16:56] Speaker 13: surprising that they would be arguing like this. It's really
[2:17:00] Speaker 13: sounds like they're just feeling time too. It doesn't even
[2:17:03] Speaker 13: sound like they're taking themselves seriously. It doesn't sound like
[2:17:07] Speaker 13: they think anybody would actually take them seriously. The fact
[2:17:10] Speaker 13: that they're both still on air, I think they're both
[2:17:12] Speaker 13: very grateful, and this is why they're on opinion related
[2:17:17] Speaker 13: shows and not the real news.
[2:17:22] Speaker 14: Michael, it's good to see the disgraced Bill O'Reilly.
[2:17:31] Speaker 11: I remember when he had to settle that sexual harassment
[2:17:34] Speaker 11: lawsuit at Fox News, and when he left Fox News
[2:17:38] Speaker 11: with his tail between his legs.
[2:17:40] Speaker 14: That was a good day for America.
[2:17:44] Speaker 11: You know, these people are mentally deranged. He didn't want
[2:17:52] Speaker 11: to come out and say that Donald Trump lost the election.
[2:17:56] Speaker 11: So he just wants to say, well, there's no evidence
[2:17:59] Speaker 11: that he no, no, he lost, Okay, and he doesn't.
[2:18:03] Speaker 11: And if he came out and said he lost the election,
[2:18:05] Speaker 11: then he would lose a lot of his followers to
[2:18:07] Speaker 11: his podcast.
[2:18:08] Speaker 14: All right, So yeah, you know, these are some really
[2:18:14] Speaker 14: sick people.
[2:18:15] Speaker 11: They're comical in one sense, but they have millions of
[2:18:19] Speaker 11: people that listen to them.
[2:18:21] Speaker 14: It's a lot of it's.
[2:18:23] Speaker 11: A lot of stupid idiots that own guns, that listen
[2:18:27] Speaker 11: to them. Some of them storm the US capital, and
[2:18:30] Speaker 11: they always like the They always like to hinge their
[2:18:33] Speaker 11: argument on the fact that Donald Trump used the term peaceful.
[2:18:37] Speaker 14: Go peacefully, he said at one time.
[2:18:39] Speaker 11: But while they were storming the Capitol and beating the
[2:18:42] Speaker 11: hell a lot of police officers, Donald Trump sat there
[2:18:46] Speaker 11: in the White House and watched it for one hundred
[2:18:48] Speaker 11: and eighty seven minutes and did absolutely nothing.
[2:18:51] Speaker 14: What's peaceful about that, Bill O'Reilly.
[2:18:54] Speaker 11: So the facts just totally contradict the lines that they tell.
[2:18:59] Speaker 11: But once again, these are people that see power slipping
[2:19:03] Speaker 11: through their little little fingers. Yeah, so he sounded like Therench.
[2:19:08] Speaker 11: He sounded like a white grinch, no gripkeeper.
[2:19:11] Speaker 4: Matt Well, First, I love Michael saying it's good to
[2:19:16] Speaker 4: see the disgraced Bill o'reiley that took me out, Thank
[2:19:19] Speaker 4: you brother, hilarious. Only thing I'm going to add is,
[2:19:24] Speaker 4: you know, can't just kind of alluded to something that
[2:19:25] Speaker 4: I think is really emblematic of where we are in
[2:19:28] Speaker 4: this country, and that is the acceptance of the idea
[2:19:32] Speaker 4: that there's not objective truth. Bill O'Reilly said, there's a
[2:19:35] Speaker 4: difference between an opinion and a lie, but you can't
[2:19:38] Speaker 4: have any I mean, I guess you can have an
[2:19:40] Speaker 4: opinion about an objective fact, but there's a question as
[2:19:43] Speaker 4: to whether something is a fact or whether it's a lie. Right,
[2:19:46] Speaker 4: And what we saw in real time on January sixth
[2:19:50] Speaker 4: was people storming the Capitol. What we know is people
[2:19:52] Speaker 4: were prosecuted for that that criminal acts occurred, and no
[2:19:56] Speaker 4: matter how much you try to spin it, it is
[2:19:58] Speaker 4: an objective fact that it happened. And I think that
[2:20:01] Speaker 4: denialism is something that has been emboldened by the GOP.
[2:20:06] Speaker 4: It all is propaganda and it's consistent push to just
[2:20:09] Speaker 4: undermine the idea of objective truth. And that is the
[2:20:13] Speaker 4: scary part of where we are in America, because people
[2:20:16] Speaker 4: are emboldened now to say, well, I don't agree with you,
[2:20:19] Speaker 4: I have a different opinion, when what we're actually talking
[2:20:22] Speaker 4: about is an objective fact. That is a huge problem
[2:20:25] Speaker 4: in our society. It's a cancer that mister Trump leverages
[2:20:29] Speaker 4: and the GOP leverages, and it's precisely why there's so
[2:20:32] Speaker 4: much misinformation, disinformation, and so many people who are just
[2:20:36] Speaker 4: cut out of the system. So it's sad to see
[2:20:39] Speaker 4: these old people doing this, but they also leverage that,
[2:20:41] Speaker 4: and like Michael said, that's why they're still on TV,
[2:20:44] Speaker 4: and that's why they're reticent to say things that undermine
[2:20:47] Speaker 4: their base continuing to support them.
[2:20:49] Speaker 1: Now, I don't know why to help Chris Como put
[2:20:51] Speaker 1: Bill Rollo on TV, because what I'm not going to
[2:20:53] Speaker 1: do is have it's not an objective fact that he's
[2:20:57] Speaker 1: a sexual harassmer. Selling that thirty two meters lawsuit is
[2:21:01] Speaker 1: real clear about that. What I'm not going to have
[2:21:04] Speaker 1: Somebody try to tell me, well, no, no, no, it's
[2:21:05] Speaker 1: not a lie. It's an opinion. Now, if you claim
[2:21:08] Speaker 1: you want and you lost, you're lying. Speaking of crazy,
[2:21:12] Speaker 1: demented crip keepers. She might be forty eight years old,
[2:21:16] Speaker 1: but my god, that's a horrid forty eight year old
[2:21:19] Speaker 1: looking woman. And that's Nancy Mays cong home from South Carolina. Now,
[2:21:23] Speaker 1: this idiot okay, who has no political future, who lost
[2:21:26] Speaker 1: her race for the governor's mansion, pissed off Donald Trump badly.
[2:21:30] Speaker 1: She can't win anything. Now she's introduced to a bill
[2:21:33] Speaker 1: says she wants to get rid of the various caucuses
[2:21:37] Speaker 1: in Congress. Now, of course you have the Congression of
[2:21:40] Speaker 1: Black Caucus, Congresion, Hispanic Caucus, and the Congressional Asian Pacific
[2:21:43] Speaker 1: American Caucus, and then of course your serial minority staff organization.
[2:21:48] Speaker 2: So she said, this is what she said.
[2:21:50] Speaker 1: Race based caucuses are not about diversity. There are segregation
[2:21:53] Speaker 1: sanctioned by the legislative branch of the federal government. You
[2:21:56] Speaker 1: do not get to lecture of America about inclusion while
[2:21:58] Speaker 1: running an organization check skin color at the door, or
[2:22:01] Speaker 1: advocating for Americans of one race over another. It is
[2:22:04] Speaker 1: discrimination under the guise of diversity. Our resolution calls it
[2:22:07] Speaker 1: what it is and shuts it down for good. Well,
[2:22:09] Speaker 1: let's just say she got smacked around. Go to my
[2:22:12] Speaker 1: iPad and leaders of the tricaucus said Nacy May's rose
[2:22:15] Speaker 1: to infamy for her chief political stunts and this is
[2:22:18] Speaker 1: just the latest distraction from her failed primary and complete
[2:22:21] Speaker 1: inability to deliver for her constituents. Members of Congress have
[2:22:25] Speaker 1: every right to organize around share policy priorities and the.
[2:22:28] Speaker 2: Constituencies they serve.
[2:22:30] Speaker 1: There are dozens of bipartisan congressional caucuses dedicated to ethnic communities,
[2:22:34] Speaker 1: geographic regions, industries, veterans, faith traditions, and countless other interests
[2:22:39] Speaker 1: sickening out the Congressional Tricaucus, which represents nearly half of
[2:22:42] Speaker 1: all Americans, is racist and a shameless attempt to silence
[2:22:46] Speaker 1: the voices of minorities. The Tricaucus does not need a
[2:22:49] Speaker 1: lecture about what constitutes federally sanctioned segregation, least of all
[2:22:53] Speaker 1: from a member who has repeatedly made racists and bigoted
[2:22:56] Speaker 1: comments about minority communities over the course of her tenure
[2:22:59] Speaker 1: in Congress. The Congressional Tricaucus was formed to address the
[2:23:02] Speaker 1: needs and concerns of Asian, Black, Hispanic, Native American, and
[2:23:06] Speaker 1: Pacific Islander American communities that are too often ignored in.
[2:23:09] Speaker 2: The halls of power.
[2:23:10] Speaker 1: These caucuses existed long before Nancy Mace arrived in Congress
[2:23:13] Speaker 1: and will remain long after she fades into irrelevancy. That
[2:23:17] Speaker 1: to me, canas is an excellent statement, and it.
[2:23:21] Speaker 13: Is and we know that based upon the history of
[2:23:23] Speaker 13: these caucuses. It's not like they certainly they have energy
[2:23:26] Speaker 13: and they have influence, they don't have voting power. These
[2:23:29] Speaker 13: are optional caucuses that people can be a part of,
[2:23:32] Speaker 13: either you're in it or not. And what is she
[2:23:35] Speaker 13: going to do set up for other caucuses and get
[2:23:37] Speaker 13: rid of them. There is the Caucus for Women's issue,
[2:23:40] Speaker 13: there's a Northeast Midwest congressional coalition based upon.
[2:23:44] Speaker 9: Where people live. This is just a terrible precedent.
[2:23:47] Speaker 13: If she thought that it was going to do something
[2:23:48] Speaker 13: that made sense, you'd have to get rid of all
[2:23:50] Speaker 13: the caucuses. They're optional, they're equal powered, and they provide
[2:23:55] Speaker 13: energy to the base and causes that.
[2:23:57] Speaker 9: People choose to be a part of. Period.
[2:24:00] Speaker 13: So she got told off and told in a way
[2:24:02] Speaker 13: that she was supposed to, in a way that let
[2:24:05] Speaker 13: us know that what she said didn't make any sense
[2:24:07] Speaker 13: and wouldn't have any good standing.
[2:24:09] Speaker 1: Matt. Maybe she can join a Lauren Bolbert and start
[2:24:13] Speaker 1: the agreemed white women Caucus.
[2:24:17] Speaker 4: It's good to see the disgrace, Nancy Mace. You know, look,
[2:24:22] Speaker 4: this is the problem with political pageantry is you got
[2:24:25] Speaker 4: crazies like this who are going to continue to say
[2:24:28] Speaker 4: crazy things so they have a bullhorn and that they
[2:24:32] Speaker 4: have people's attention trained on them. You know, she lost
[2:24:35] Speaker 4: that race, like you said, and this is the kind
[2:24:38] Speaker 4: of thing that is just stupid, especially when you're from
[2:24:41] Speaker 4: South Carolina. How many black people are in South Carolina?
[2:24:44] Speaker 2: Right?
[2:24:44] Speaker 4: I mean, just you couldn't be more brazen with your racism.
[2:24:47] Speaker 4: But none of this surprises me. You're exactly right. And
[2:24:51] Speaker 4: at the end of her time, when she determines that
[2:24:53] Speaker 4: it's going to be the right thing for her to
[2:24:55] Speaker 4: go Marjorie Taylor Green's way, she's going to try to
[2:24:58] Speaker 4: do a one eighty and hope that we don't don't
[2:25:00] Speaker 4: remember all the stupid and horrible things that she said.
[2:25:03] Speaker 4: So I'm glad that they read her the way that
[2:25:05] Speaker 4: they did, especially that last paragraph about her fading into irrelevancy.
[2:25:09] Speaker 4: I think that was chef's kiss.
[2:25:11] Speaker 2: Uh, it absolutely was. Michael.
[2:25:17] Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, I saw this statement today from from
[2:25:21] Speaker 11: Nancy Mace, and I wonder if they're going to have
[2:25:25] Speaker 11: it back on the Breakfast Club to talk about this.
[2:25:28] Speaker 11: You know, she she was on the Breakfast Club talking
[2:25:30] Speaker 11: to black people, and then now she's calling for the
[2:25:33] Speaker 11: Congressional Black Caucus to be dismantled. And you know what's
[2:25:39] Speaker 11: interesting is the Latino Caucus, the Asian Pacific Island the Caucus,
[2:25:44] Speaker 11: and the Congressional Black Caucus. A lot of a lot
[2:25:47] Speaker 11: of those members represent districts that are majority white districts.
[2:25:55] Speaker 14: That's the other thing here.
[2:25:56] Speaker 11: So this is just another this is just another attack
[2:25:59] Speaker 11: on DEI And you know, I wonder how much support
[2:26:04] Speaker 11: she's going to get in the House of Representatives on this.
[2:26:07] Speaker 14: You know, it's it's not likely to pass.
[2:26:10] Speaker 11: But I wonder how much support she's going to get
[2:26:12] Speaker 11: by from people, you know, like the craziest the Troy
[2:26:14] Speaker 11: Nails out of Texas.
[2:26:16] Speaker 18: The.
[2:26:19] Speaker 11: Andy Ogles and as yeah, yeah, yeah, some of the
[2:26:24] Speaker 11: other ones as well. So but I like the response
[2:26:28] Speaker 11: from the Congression of Black Caucus. But once again, I
[2:26:32] Speaker 11: expect these people to attack HBCUs. I expect them to
[2:26:35] Speaker 11: come after the D nine. Also African Americans somehow come
[2:26:39] Speaker 11: after African American fraternities and sororities and say, you know,
[2:26:43] Speaker 11: they discriminated.
[2:26:45] Speaker 1: You can't actually can't do that because Alpha, the first
[2:26:48] Speaker 1: white marry was actually in Alpha before the US military
[2:26:52] Speaker 1: was deserogated in nineteen forty eight. So that's not gonna fly.
[2:26:56] Speaker 11: Well, they don't know that they well that stopped from
[2:26:58] Speaker 11: they can they can bring a pomcast as they want to.
[2:27:04] Speaker 28: Uh.
[2:27:05] Speaker 1: But but but if just just wanted them to know.
[2:27:09] Speaker 1: And although I can't stand what he's been doing, uh
[2:27:13] Speaker 1: when it comes to uh taking over school districts in Texas.
[2:27:20] Speaker 1: There's a certain person named Mike Marath who happens to
[2:27:25] Speaker 1: be uh the head of the Texas Education Agency.
[2:27:29] Speaker 2: Uh.
[2:27:29] Speaker 1: And this here uh is a let's see here if
[2:27:32] Speaker 1: I can just show y'all this here is a photo
[2:27:35] Speaker 1: of Mike Marath. He played Alpha at s m U.
[2:27:38] Speaker 1: So please Nancy, so they don't every one of us
[2:27:43] Speaker 1: got got got got white the Tino Agent members.
[2:27:47] Speaker 28: Uh.
[2:27:48] Speaker 1: And here's the deal, so Mary, I tell you all
[2:27:49] Speaker 1: about Howard University of Communications. This is probably why I
[2:27:54] Speaker 1: can't work anywhere to be a communications uh officer, because
[2:28:00] Speaker 1: use if I was writing the TRICAU response or the
[2:28:05] Speaker 1: Congressional Black Caucus response, I would have sent out this video.
[2:28:14] Speaker 30: Thank you jas Chow, thank you kiss my entire ass.
[2:28:30] Speaker 1: That's what I would have said.
[2:28:33] Speaker 2: I'm just saying, all right, is it for us? Uh?
[2:28:40] Speaker 1: Let me think Candice h Matt Michael, I appreciate it,
[2:28:45] Speaker 1: thank you so very much, all right, y'all.
[2:28:48] Speaker 2: Uh that is uh. Yes, I would throw to kiss
[2:28:53] Speaker 2: my entire ass. All right, y'all. Uh, that is it.
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[2:31:49] Speaker 1: his annual Original Tea Golf Classic. The Original Golf Tea
[2:31:54] Speaker 1: was actually created by a brother, George.
[2:31:56] Speaker 2: Grant, and so this term is named after him.
[2:31:59] Speaker 1: Now Window is a huge New York Knicks fan, and
[2:32:02] Speaker 1: so unfortunately we had to deal with all this blue
[2:32:05] Speaker 1: and Orange crap this weekend. But the golf tournament is
[2:32:08] Speaker 1: going to be on Sunday, or We're gonna be, of
[2:32:10] Speaker 1: course bringing some great content back and sharing it with
[2:32:13] Speaker 1: you with some of the folks who are going to
[2:32:14] Speaker 1: be there. Then of course, on the next day, I'm
[2:32:19] Speaker 1: going to be in Detroit, So I'll be broadcasting Monday
[2:32:22] Speaker 1: show from Detroit. A man Jalen Rose, who truly has
[2:32:26] Speaker 1: an awful golf swing. He has his sixteenth annual Jalen
[2:32:30] Speaker 1: Rose Leadership Academy Celebrity Golf Classic and so at TPC Michigan.
[2:32:35] Speaker 1: So I'm literally leaving Philadelphia early Monday morning to fat
[2:32:40] Speaker 1: to Detroit to show support for Jalen but also to
[2:32:43] Speaker 1: do the show from there. He's doing some amazing things
[2:32:45] Speaker 1: there with his charter school. And so I want to
[2:32:48] Speaker 1: be able to show support and again show support for Window,
[2:32:52] Speaker 1: show support for Jalen as well. And so you know,
[2:32:56] Speaker 1: the money raised by these charities are benefit hitting African
[2:33:00] Speaker 1: American interests. With Window does with his golf tournament, that's
[2:33:04] Speaker 1: benefiting African Americans who are in golf. They've been able
[2:33:08] Speaker 1: to support some amazing, amazing golfers over the years.
[2:33:14] Speaker 2: UH.
[2:33:14] Speaker 1: And in fact, if you, in fact, if you look
[2:33:19] Speaker 1: at the LPGA tour, UH, there's a young woman who's
[2:33:23] Speaker 1: on the LPGA Tour. Her name is Amara Avery. Amara Avery.
[2:33:29] Speaker 1: She I played with her in one of these tournaments
[2:33:35] Speaker 1: when she was twelve years old. She played this tournament
[2:33:38] Speaker 1: several times. As matter of fact, it was an amazing
[2:33:41] Speaker 1: experience playing with her because in my group was Beverly Johnson,
[2:33:46] Speaker 1: who who Window had previously supported for the tournament it
[2:33:52] Speaker 1: was and then also it was Lee Elder, the great
[2:33:56] Speaker 1: golfer Lee Elder.
[2:33:57] Speaker 2: We were all in the same group.
[2:33:59] Speaker 1: Well, Amara Avery is now an LPGA golfer. She actually
[2:34:03] Speaker 1: plays on UH their their secondary tour. She became the
[2:34:09] Speaker 1: first African American to win on that tour.
[2:34:13] Speaker 17: UH.
[2:34:13] Speaker 1: And uh. And in the history of the LPGA Tour,
[2:34:16] Speaker 1: no African American woman has ever won an LPGA tournament, uh.
[2:34:21] Speaker 1: And so she made a history there and so we
[2:34:24] Speaker 1: really look forward. She's been having an amazing year. She
[2:34:26] Speaker 1: went to USC has been a phenomenal golfer. But she
[2:34:30] Speaker 1: was one of the golfers who actually played in this
[2:34:33] Speaker 1: Yere Marcus Bird a young brother.
[2:34:36] Speaker 2: He's on the A p G A Tour.
[2:34:38] Speaker 1: It's an amateur admit, it's a it's a it's a
[2:34:41] Speaker 1: it's a professional tour as well. He's dominating there. He's
[2:34:45] Speaker 1: played in this golf tournament as well. And so that's
[2:34:47] Speaker 1: why I appreciate what Window does with this golf tournament,
[2:34:49] Speaker 1: really supporting black golfers, giving them a shot, being able
[2:34:53] Speaker 1: to help them financially because it's extremely extremely expensive, uh,
[2:34:58] Speaker 1: to actually play golf. And I was actually looking for
[2:35:02] Speaker 1: one of the photos that he sent me of playing
[2:35:04] Speaker 1: with Amar and so, yeah, she was twelve years old
[2:35:09] Speaker 1: playing that tournament and now she's a pro. And so
[2:35:12] Speaker 1: so it's a great tournament. So look forward to seeing
[2:35:14] Speaker 1: Window and Jaalen this weekend. And so again we're gonna
[2:35:17] Speaker 1: have some great content from both to share with y'all right.
[2:35:19] Speaker 2: Here on the show. Folks.
[2:35:21] Speaker 1: That's it. You're having a fantastic weekend. Enjoy yourself, stay safe,
[2:35:25] Speaker 1: and remain unapologetically black. I'm gonna see y'all on Monday.
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[2:38:33] Speaker 5: In for past, and in busting.
[2:38:38] Speaker 8: Lung it in.
[2:38:38] Speaker 30: Fact past and in the basting lunate insect past, and
[2:38:45] Speaker 30: in the basting lng it insect past, and in the
[2:38:51] Speaker 30: busting late in st past and in the busting ling
[2:38:57] Speaker 30: it in st pat and in.
[2:39:00] Speaker 8: The Boston frown it in fact past and in the Boston.
[2:39:06] Speaker 30: Rowing it in fact past, and in the busting rowing
[2:39:11] Speaker 30: it in fast and in the Boston frown it in
[2:39:17] Speaker 30: fact bast and in the Boston and in the busting
[2:39:24] Speaker 30: rowing it in fast and in the Boston growing it
[2:39:29] Speaker 30: in fact past and in the Boston allowing it in
[2:39:34] Speaker 30: fact past, and in the Boston.
[2:39:38] Speaker 8: Growing it in fact past, and in the Boston allowing
[2:39:44] Speaker 8: it in fact past, and in the Busting flowing it
[2:39:49] Speaker 8: in fact past, and in the Boston frown it in
[2:39:54] Speaker 8: fact past, and in the Boston frown it in.
[2:39:58] Speaker 30: Fact past, amen the Boston Clamate in the past, and in.
[2:40:06] Speaker 5: The Boston Lamate inside.
[2:40:08] Speaker 8: Past, um, in the Boston Clamate
[2:40:12] Speaker 30: Inside past, and in the Boston Clomate inside part

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