# DC Security Surge Sparks Alarm. ACLU Exposes Police Abuse. Black Jobs Lag. MAGA Gets Played

An episode of [#RolandMartinUnfiltered](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1434424449), 7 Jul 2026, 2 h 35 min.

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7.2.2026 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: DC Security Surge Sparks Alarm. ACLU Exposes Police Abuse. Black Jobs Lag. MAGA Gets Played _ For free and unbiased Medicare help, dial (724) 264-8281 to speak with my trusted partner, Chapter, or go to https://askchapter.org/roland *Paid Partnership* _ Download the Kalshi app and use code Soccer10 to get $10 when you trade $10. You can also sign up at kalshi.com/r/soccer10, which auto-applies the code at checkout. Kalshi. Trade What's Next _ Washington, D.C., is experiencing a "summer surge" of National Guard and federal law enforcement in preparation for the nation's 250th Independence Day celebrations. We'll speak with an activist who argues that these aggressive enforcement efforts are causing more harm than good. A new report from the ACLU reveals that law enforcement agencies in areas that were previously under Justice Department oversight continue to engage in the same problematic behaviors that led to federal scrutiny in the first place. The lead author of the report will join us to discuss these findings. The economy added far fewer jobs than expected last month, while unemployment rates among Black men and women showed a slight decline. Economist Morgan Harper will explain whether this trend is a positive development. Poor white MAGA supporters are realizing that the Trump Administration has misled them. Antiracism educator Tim Wise will break down why they continue to support a regime that does not have their best interests at heart. And a white Republican Pennsylvania State Representative claims that the Black House Speaker ejected him from the chamber. Joanna McClinton will be here to share her perspective on the situation. Black Star Network Partner: Chapter Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options. ____ Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[5:03] Speaker 4: Going away from the offices when they shot.
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[5:13] Speaker 3: have a bullet here on the right side of the windshill,
[5:17] Speaker 3: and then you have the passenger right side door, the
[5:22] Speaker 3: evidence that a bullet shot through that.
[5:27] Speaker 4: Side of the car.
[5:28] Speaker 3: And as you know, they record and his mother was
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[22:29] Speaker 10: I thank you for being the boys of Black Americ Roland.
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[30:45] Speaker 13: Well, today's third of July second, twenty twenty six, coming
[30:48] Speaker 13: up a roland mark and unfiltered streaming live on the
[30:51] Speaker 13: Black Star Network.
[30:52] Speaker 7: I am here at Fort Laudaville, Florida.
[30:54] Speaker 13: Well, of course, last night participated in a We the
[30:57] Speaker 13: People conversation, uh fam this discussion and if you missed it,
[31:01] Speaker 13: we'll be restreaming that on today's show.
[31:04] Speaker 7: There's a surge of National Guard and law.
[31:08] Speaker 13: Enforcement in Washington, DC as Donald Trump drows himself a
[31:12] Speaker 13: birth a party for the nature of the two and
[31:14] Speaker 13: fifteth anniversary.
[31:15] Speaker 7: We'll talk to and activists.
[31:17] Speaker 13: About how they feel about this massive police presence.
[31:22] Speaker 7: In the nation's capital.
[31:23] Speaker 13: We told you that Donald Trump did not give a
[31:26] Speaker 13: damn about police misconduct.
[31:29] Speaker 7: And ac OLU.
[31:30] Speaker 13: Has a report that shows that police departments that were
[31:34] Speaker 13: under dj jurisdiction pretty much being let off scott free
[31:39] Speaker 13: as a.
[31:39] Speaker 7: Result of the economy, yes, supposed to be this.
[31:43] Speaker 13: Golden age not doing so well, lackluster report, and last
[31:48] Speaker 13: month's job report that Donald Trump Republicans were touting.
[31:52] Speaker 7: Yeah, they had to revise numbers down.
[31:54] Speaker 13: Morgan Harper will be joining us to explain poor white
[31:58] Speaker 13: MAGA supporters.
[32:00] Speaker 7: I told you all, y'all were stupid.
[32:02] Speaker 13: I told you Donald Trump didn't give a dim about you.
[32:05] Speaker 7: Wait till I.
[32:05] Speaker 13: Break down how Donald Trump has just taken advantage of
[32:09] Speaker 13: this country and earned himself billions of dollars. And all
[32:13] Speaker 13: of you idiots who invested in his crypto, you have
[32:18] Speaker 13: lost money. That's right, So and what Republican Pennsylvania state
[32:23] Speaker 13: representative claims that the Black House speaker ejected him from
[32:27] Speaker 13: the chamber. Uh Well, Speaker of Johanna McClinton will join
[32:33] Speaker 13: us on Roland Martin on Filcher to explain.
[32:35] Speaker 7: It's time to bring the fulk on Roland Martin on
[32:37] Speaker 7: filter on the Blackside Network. Let's go.
[32:40] Speaker 12: He's do it whatever it is.
[32:45] Speaker 13: He's god factifinea believes he's right on time and is
[32:51] Speaker 13: best believe he's going.
[32:54] Speaker 10: Donk's lost news to politics with.
[32:57] Speaker 13: Entertainment, just books.
[32:59] Speaker 14: He's he's books.
[33:17] Speaker 10: She's realed up question though he's proven.
[33:34] Speaker 13: The death of one year old Cohen Wiley, was shot
[33:37] Speaker 13: and killed by cops in Senatobia, Mississippi, has been classified
[33:42] Speaker 13: as a homicide that one year old was shot and
[33:45] Speaker 13: killed in a Walmart parking lot on June fourteenth during
[33:50] Speaker 13: an attempted arrest of an alleged shoplifter. Will newly release
[33:54] Speaker 13: autopsy findings obtained by the family's legal team has raised
[33:59] Speaker 13: questions about what the police.
[34:00] Speaker 7: Say happened during the shooting.
[34:02] Speaker 13: On Wednesday, family attorney Ben Crump addressed the findings, which
[34:07] Speaker 13: he says contradicts what police had happened.
[34:13] Speaker 2: And what we're trying to point out is that they
[34:17] Speaker 2: just show us what was warranted to shoot into this field.
[34:22] Speaker 3: There was a witness who told a family member that the.
[34:28] Speaker 2: Car was going.
[34:29] Speaker 10: Away from the officers where they shot.
[34:33] Speaker 3: And so you see here to the right side, you
[34:38] Speaker 3: have a bull here on the right side of.
[34:41] Speaker 2: The windshield, and then you have the passenger right side door,
[34:48] Speaker 2: the evidence that a shot through that.
[34:52] Speaker 4: Side of the car.
[34:54] Speaker 3: And as you know they recorded, his mother was sitting
[34:58] Speaker 3: in the right passengers. That's that's very important as we
[35:04] Speaker 3: try to solve a puzzle, and and the reason.
[35:09] Speaker 4: We had them trying to solve the puzzle is because
[35:11] Speaker 4: they won't release the video.
[35:13] Speaker 3: Y'all don't understand that we wouldn't have to do all
[35:16] Speaker 3: this if they release the video we.
[35:19] Speaker 4: I mean the body camera, the dash camera on.
[35:23] Speaker 3: The fields, Walmart sysveil's video, yell the Walmart got of ours.
[35:30] Speaker 3: We are pretty confident if they released that video it
[35:35] Speaker 3: would show.
[35:35] Speaker 4: Us exactly exactly what happened.
[35:41] Speaker 3: And so I'm so grateful I got to build. Investigator's
[35:45] Speaker 3: black career. Were legal ready to get photographs of the
[35:49] Speaker 3: build even though the Mississippi Bureau of Investigation Hanser released
[35:52] Speaker 3: anything to us. So you've got right there, mama and
[35:58] Speaker 3: baby colon in the car.
[36:02] Speaker 2: And if you look at what.
[36:07] Speaker 4: Doctor Mitchell said, the.
[36:09] Speaker 10: Shot was from a side, right side, and.
[36:15] Speaker 3: I went through his body and it exited the weft side,
[36:20] Speaker 3: not in front of back.
[36:22] Speaker 4: So I mean a baby colt of a shot. This
[36:26] Speaker 4: release is shooting from the side. You can't get that shot.
[36:32] Speaker 5: From the front.
[36:36] Speaker 13: We talk about this a lot on this show that
[36:39] Speaker 13: what often happens when police know that it was a
[36:45] Speaker 13: proper and just shooting there there quickly they will quickly
[36:49] Speaker 13: quickly release body camera footage, dashboard camera footage.
[36:54] Speaker 7: But they have not done so. We've seen this before
[36:57] Speaker 7: and typically.
[36:58] Speaker 13: They'll say, well the mississippiriver investing, they're leading this investigation,
[37:02] Speaker 13: but the same thing happens. There have been other cases
[37:05] Speaker 13: where things happen and they were very quick to release video.
[37:09] Speaker 13: And so what Big Crump is saying is absolutely on point.
[37:14] Speaker 13: So no dash can video and no Walmart parking lot
[37:19] Speaker 13: video has been released to the public. It's bringing our panel.
[37:23] Speaker 13: Doctor Greg car Is chaired the Greg cars with the
[37:25] Speaker 13: Department of BAF for America studis at Howard University joining
[37:28] Speaker 13: us from DC. Doctor Derek jacksonsonate representative from Georgia out
[37:32] Speaker 13: of Atlanta, that the Larry J. Walkers, Social Professor of
[37:35] Speaker 13: University of Central Florida out of Orlando. And so yes,
[37:41] Speaker 13: we have three alphas on today's panel. All right, appreciate it,
[37:45] Speaker 13: thanks so much.
[37:47] Speaker 7: This is consistent.
[37:49] Speaker 13: This is consistent, Larry, with what we've seen in the
[37:52] Speaker 13: past when police, when they know that they've screwed up,
[37:56] Speaker 13: they will slow walk the body camera footage, the dad
[38:00] Speaker 13: camera footage.
[38:01] Speaker 7: And that's what you see going on right here.
[38:06] Speaker 12: They're trying to outlast the outrage. This is this is
[38:11] Speaker 12: all you know, media communication strategy that you know better
[38:14] Speaker 12: than anyone else. Rolling. As you said, they're trying to
[38:17] Speaker 12: slow off this and hope that the local and national
[38:20] Speaker 12: media will forget about it. But killing a one year
[38:24] Speaker 12: old child is unforgivable, and we do need to see
[38:29] Speaker 12: the bodycam footage. And I think your point about the
[38:32] Speaker 12: numerous times in which they've released it. When they think,
[38:35] Speaker 12: like you said, when they think that the shot, that
[38:37] Speaker 12: the shooting was justifiable, that information gets released quickly. But
[38:42] Speaker 12: in this case, apparently the death of a one year
[38:47] Speaker 12: old black child is not worth the very easy task
[38:53] Speaker 12: of releasing the footage, not only like you said, in
[38:56] Speaker 12: terms of that you know, body cam footage, but in
[38:58] Speaker 12: addition to that rolling into like you said, Walmart and
[39:01] Speaker 12: any other video that's that's available. This is atrocious. I mean,
[39:06] Speaker 12: it's unforgivable, as it said, and we really need to
[39:09] Speaker 12: get to the bottom of this. You know, are things
[39:12] Speaker 12: like this to give me nightmares is as a parent,
[39:15] Speaker 12: and this is another example of you know, when in
[39:18] Speaker 12: law enforcement behaving in a way that another black body
[39:21] Speaker 12: is lost, particularly a child whose life is just begun
[39:24] Speaker 12: and didn't never have the opportunity to actually live. So
[39:27] Speaker 12: once again, we need to see all the audio and
[39:30] Speaker 12: visual evidence to find out exactly what happened with this
[39:33] Speaker 12: particular horrific murder.
[39:37] Speaker 13: Well, well, what is often happens, Derek when we have
[39:40] Speaker 13: these cases, and again you have a cop that says, oh,
[39:43] Speaker 13: they were coming towards us.
[39:45] Speaker 7: With the car.
[39:45] Speaker 13: Again, let's look at what we're talking about here. This
[39:49] Speaker 13: wasn't a capital offense, This wasn't somebody being held hostage,
[39:54] Speaker 13: this wasn't a kidnapping, this wasn't a mass shooting. The
[40:00] Speaker 13: hall was an alleged shoplifter. And I just don't think
[40:05] Speaker 13: if you're when you're a police, you come on the scene,
[40:08] Speaker 13: your first reaction let's pull my gun out and let's
[40:11] Speaker 13: fire into a car that I had two women and
[40:14] Speaker 13: a child because over an alleged shoplifting of some diapers.
[40:22] Speaker 10: You're you're exactly right, Roland.
[40:23] Speaker 15: I mean this scenario did not warrant the use of
[40:28] Speaker 15: deadly force. I mean, you can run the tape, you
[40:32] Speaker 15: can see the tape, you can see all the evidence,
[40:35] Speaker 15: and deadly force should not even be part of this equation.
[40:40] Speaker 10: But but let's unwrap this whole situation. Roland. You got a.
[40:45] Speaker 15: DOJ that not gonna do anything. You don't have the
[40:51] Speaker 15: civil rights of the DJ there to assist.
[40:55] Speaker 10: In this matter. You have a climate where the.
[41:00] Speaker 15: Individual that's occupying the over office saying, hey, I'm gonna
[41:03] Speaker 15: give police immunity, I'm gonna pardon them. And so unfortunately
[41:09] Speaker 15: we have this one year old soul where the family
[41:15] Speaker 15: is demanding justice and being crump is spot on. But
[41:21] Speaker 15: the individuals who are slow walking this, they're looking at
[41:25] Speaker 15: this saying, we don't have to worry about the federal
[41:27] Speaker 15: government stepping in, we don't have to worry about the
[41:29] Speaker 15: dj we don't have to have to worry about the
[41:32] Speaker 15: civil rights movement, and eventually those who are protesting will
[41:37] Speaker 15: eventually go away.
[41:43] Speaker 13: What we continue to have here and this is your
[41:45] Speaker 13: the reality, Greg. Police know they can operate impunity. And
[41:51] Speaker 13: what you now have as an individual sitting in the
[41:54] Speaker 13: Oval office who has made it perfectly clean, and we're
[41:57] Speaker 13: gonna deal with this with the Acou report, I'm talking
[42:00] Speaker 13: about that, they made it clear that y'all can do
[42:04] Speaker 13: whatever y'all want to.
[42:05] Speaker 7: There is not going to be any retribution.
[42:08] Speaker 13: Trump has said, I want to give police officers on
[42:11] Speaker 13: one hundred percent community to do their job. And when
[42:14] Speaker 13: cops know if they can shoot and there were no repercussions,
[42:17] Speaker 13: they're good with it.
[42:21] Speaker 11: Yeah, that's exactly right, Roland. I mean, here we are
[42:24] Speaker 11: on the anniversary of the signing of the Civil Rights
[42:27] Speaker 11: Actor of nineteen sixty four, and these sworn enemies of
[42:31] Speaker 11: our common humanity, these racists, these white nationalists, taking what
[42:36] Speaker 11: amouse to a blood oath. The ink wasn't even drowned
[42:39] Speaker 11: the Civil Rights Act of sixty four, much less the
[42:41] Speaker 11: voiding Rights Act of sixty five a year later, when
[42:44] Speaker 11: they basically vowed to roll back not just the twentieth century,
[42:47] Speaker 11: but the Civil War Amendments thirteen, fourteen and fifteen, that
[42:50] Speaker 11: those that legislation was based on, these are enemies of
[42:54] Speaker 11: our common humanity. I think we're making a very big
[42:58] Speaker 11: mistake when we think about as far as I concerned,
[43:02] Speaker 11: we think about them thinking about us as human. There
[43:05] Speaker 11: were no humans involved in this shoot, So you know,
[43:09] Speaker 11: as far as they're concerned, executing us is part of
[43:11] Speaker 11: their sworn duty to maintain their fantasy white republic. It
[43:14] Speaker 11: reminds me of Hannah a Rent attending the trial of
[43:18] Speaker 11: Adolph Eichmann, the Nazi. In nineteen sixty three. She published
[43:21] Speaker 11: the book Iikmen in Jerusalem, and she coined the term
[43:24] Speaker 11: in that book called the banality of evil and she said.
[43:27] Speaker 11: The problem isn't the convicted communist or the convicted Nazi
[43:30] Speaker 11: in terms of what they believe. The problem is when
[43:33] Speaker 11: regular people can't make the distinction between fact and fiction,
[43:37] Speaker 11: and that is really the key to their entire motives.
[43:41] Speaker 11: In other words, you haven't killed a human being, you
[43:44] Speaker 11: haven't shot a person. You must understand that when you're
[43:48] Speaker 11: talking about black people, you're talking about no human involved.
[43:51] Speaker 11: They're no different than a pig or a wooden shoe.
[43:55] Speaker 11: And if we accept that that banality of evil, then
[44:00] Speaker 11: the things that we've been seeing this week. I mean,
[44:03] Speaker 11: now they're talking like, oh, yeah, we want to screen
[44:05] Speaker 11: pregnant women coming from other countries to see if they
[44:07] Speaker 11: got babies in them so we can stop birth tourism,
[44:09] Speaker 11: as if that's a problem. I mean, they're talking so
[44:11] Speaker 11: reckless now, and this is all part of it. So
[44:13] Speaker 11: how do we fight it back? Well, you know, I'm
[44:16] Speaker 11: going to say less about this at this point, but
[44:18] Speaker 11: I think it begins with us never conceding the idea
[44:22] Speaker 11: that we're not human. But I think we need to
[44:23] Speaker 11: stop behaving as if they think we're human. I think
[44:26] Speaker 11: that's a fatal mistake, and in this case, it was
[44:28] Speaker 11: actually actually fatal.
[44:34] Speaker 13: Here to watch this case and give you ladies of
[44:37] Speaker 13: what takes place. All right, going to a break, we
[44:39] Speaker 13: come back. We'll talk about how Donald Trump is literally
[44:44] Speaker 13: just stealing money and how his supporters are beyond stupid
[44:50] Speaker 13: they're saying nothing about it. We'll also talk about the
[44:53] Speaker 13: poorest jobs report that came up today as well. You're
[44:56] Speaker 13: watching Roland Martin Unfiltered right here on the Blackstar Network.
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[49:12] Speaker 7: It's your boy Earthquake, you know, giving Roland Martin something
[49:15] Speaker 7: to do because you know you don't know what to do.
[49:17] Speaker 7: You're from Texas, ain't his fault. We'll schecking that out. Folks.
[49:53] Speaker 7: We had We've told you, we warned.
[49:55] Speaker 13: You that if Donald Trump got back into the White House,
[49:58] Speaker 13: they did not give a damn about any of the
[50:02] Speaker 13: Department of Justice investigations that were launched against police departments.
[50:06] Speaker 7: In this country.
[50:07] Speaker 13: We had a real department, We had a real CIVI
[50:10] Speaker 13: Rights division under the Department of Justice led by Christian
[50:13] Speaker 13: Clark when Biden was president. Well, you don't have that
[50:16] Speaker 13: now within her meet Harmot, whatever the hell the nutcase is,
[50:21] Speaker 13: and we're seeing it when it comes to those various
[50:25] Speaker 13: investigations of the dj was supposed to be overseeing in
[50:31] Speaker 13: these various police departments. Remember I just told you in
[50:33] Speaker 13: the last segment, Donald Trump made clear he wanted to
[50:37] Speaker 13: give police one hundred percent community. He did not want
[50:40] Speaker 13: them to be investigated. You I remember the last time
[50:43] Speaker 13: he was there, you had trained Generals Jeff Sessions and
[50:47] Speaker 13: Bill barcaying they wanted to pull back, pull back on
[50:51] Speaker 13: Cassent decrees because they said it was hurting the morale
[50:55] Speaker 13: of police officers. Well, the ac OU what they've done
[51:00] Speaker 13: is they've actually studied this, They've looked at what has
[51:05] Speaker 13: been going on with these investigations, and what they see
[51:09] Speaker 13: is exactly what we expected.
[51:12] Speaker 7: Nothing, absolutely nothing.
[51:15] Speaker 13: The report is titled Regressive Policing under President Trump, and
[51:19] Speaker 13: y'all know I cannot stand using that phrase with him.
[51:22] Speaker 13: It's a one year update on the a c ol
[51:24] Speaker 13: U Seven States Safety Campaign, launched shortly after the Justice
[51:28] Speaker 13: Department ceased its police reform initiatives in seven states with
[51:32] Speaker 13: as I said, with about administration identified widespread police brutality
[51:37] Speaker 13: and racial profiling. Joining us to talk about this with
[51:42] Speaker 13: the a c l U is Jen row neck boor
[51:45] Speaker 13: shut Up, Deputy Project Director on Policing a Criminal Law
[51:49] Speaker 13: Reform Project at the a c l U, Jen glad
[51:52] Speaker 13: to have you here.
[51:53] Speaker 7: You know, I hate to say I told you so.
[51:56] Speaker 13: We use the hashtag we tried to tell you, but
[51:59] Speaker 13: this is what we all say's going to happen. There
[52:03] Speaker 13: was no interest whatsoever from Donald Trump in policing law enforcement.
[52:09] Speaker 13: And listen, the faith attorneys have told us they don't
[52:12] Speaker 13: even waste their time of reach out to the Department
[52:15] Speaker 13: of Justices because they know they're not going to receive
[52:18] Speaker 13: any help in any police abuse case.
[52:21] Speaker 14: That's right.
[52:22] Speaker 17: Unfortunately, we did know that the Trump administration would take
[52:26] Speaker 17: actions to regress on policing, in his words, to unleash
[52:30] Speaker 17: law enforcement and to unleash them to target black people
[52:34] Speaker 17: and to engage in police brutality. And shortly after he
[52:37] Speaker 17: started his second term, the Department of Justice revoked findings
[52:42] Speaker 17: from the Department of Justice under Biden where they had
[52:45] Speaker 17: extensive evidence of police departments engaging in violence and targeting
[52:51] Speaker 17: black people and brown people, and they revoke those findings
[52:55] Speaker 17: with basically.
[52:56] Speaker 14: No reason soon into Trump's second term. Those are places.
[53:01] Speaker 17: There were seven states where the Biden administration under I'm sorry,
[53:06] Speaker 17: the Department of Justice under President Biden, found both excessive
[53:09] Speaker 17: force and racial targeting, and that we found in looking
[53:15] Speaker 17: at all of those places that problems were continuing at
[53:18] Speaker 17: the moment that the Trump administration said there was nothing
[53:21] Speaker 17: to see here, let's move on.
[53:27] Speaker 13: Is it is shameful because there are victims, There are
[53:30] Speaker 13: victims that we're dealing with, and they don't care. They've
[53:33] Speaker 13: made it perfectly clear that they only care about a
[53:35] Speaker 13: certain group of American citizens.
[53:38] Speaker 7: And what we found.
[53:40] Speaker 17: So in our project, we issued records requests to all
[53:44] Speaker 17: of these agencies where the Trump administration said that there
[53:47] Speaker 17: were no problems, so they were walking away, they were
[53:49] Speaker 17: abandoning these communities. These were all cities and places where
[53:53] Speaker 17: the Department of Justice was promising reform to end these
[53:57] Speaker 17: practices of police brutality and racial targeting and working with
[54:00] Speaker 17: community members who had asked for DOJ's help because of
[54:04] Speaker 17: these abuses.
[54:05] Speaker 14: That they were seeing in their own communities.
[54:07] Speaker 17: And we sent these records requests to all of these
[54:11] Speaker 17: places to see for ourselves what was going on. And
[54:14] Speaker 17: these requests saw mostly use of force reports that police
[54:18] Speaker 17: departments keep in the ordinary curse of their work. And
[54:21] Speaker 17: these were reports that showed us what was happening in
[54:23] Speaker 17: early twenty twenty five when the Trump administration walked away
[54:28] Speaker 17: from reform and abandoned these communities, and we found that
[54:32] Speaker 17: there were problems continuing. Things like, you know, in Minneapolis
[54:35] Speaker 17: where George Floyd was killed, we found examples of Minneapolis
[54:38] Speaker 17: Police department officers.
[54:40] Speaker 14: Putting their knee on someone's neck, you know. In twenty
[54:43] Speaker 14: twenty five, we found.
[54:45] Speaker 17: Examples in Louisville, where Breonna Taylor was killed, of officers
[54:53] Speaker 17: who were using force against people who were already restrained.
[54:56] Speaker 17: You know, these kinds of problems that really put people's
[54:59] Speaker 17: lives at risk.
[55:03] Speaker 7: Absolutely, I'm go to my panel here, Derek, your question for.
[55:07] Speaker 10: Jen, Yeah, Jen, I appreciate the work that you all
[55:12] Speaker 10: are doing. I know, as a state legislator, I use.
[55:16] Speaker 15: The ACLUS finding your work to help me shape policy
[55:21] Speaker 15: here in Georgia. But I'm curious, though, based on your
[55:25] Speaker 15: findings specifically around Louisville and Minneapolis, what are some of
[55:31] Speaker 15: the conclusions that you're seeing as it relates to the
[55:35] Speaker 15: negative impact to.
[55:38] Speaker 10: Public safety and civil rights?
[55:43] Speaker 17: Right, And we're seeing negative impacts on both civil rights
[55:46] Speaker 17: and public safety, and of course those things are those
[55:48] Speaker 17: things are linked, right, because you can't really have public
[55:51] Speaker 17: safety without civil rights. And what we were seeing were
[55:54] Speaker 17: problems in certain areas that it was concerning, both because
[55:58] Speaker 17: these are problems in and of them, that's concerning, but
[56:01] Speaker 17: also because they were the same problems DOJ had identified that.
[56:05] Speaker 14: These communities needed to work on.
[56:07] Speaker 17: So one example is escalating in mental health crisis when
[56:11] Speaker 17: they know someone is having a mental health crisis and
[56:14] Speaker 17: the police officers engage in actions that actually increase the
[56:18] Speaker 17: likelihood of harm and increase the need for force. We
[56:22] Speaker 17: saw examples of officers using force. In one example striking
[56:28] Speaker 17: someone seven times with a conducted energy device what people
[56:32] Speaker 17: commonly know as tasers, against someone who was in a
[56:35] Speaker 17: mental health crisis, where that could have been avoided if
[56:37] Speaker 17: they'd used de escalation techniques that DOJ was saying they
[56:41] Speaker 17: should be using. We also saw problems with officers using dogs.
[56:48] Speaker 17: We saw this in Louisville police dogs, where this was
[56:51] Speaker 17: a problem identified by DOJ.
[56:53] Speaker 14: The dogs weren't properly controlled, that they.
[56:54] Speaker 17: Were biting people and that the officers couldn't get them
[56:58] Speaker 17: off of people once were deployed, and this causes really
[57:01] Speaker 17: serious harm if these kinds of tactics aren't properly used.
[57:06] Speaker 14: We also solve problems with agencies that weren't doing proper
[57:09] Speaker 14: reviews of use of force.
[57:11] Speaker 17: I mean, one reason that use of force is so
[57:13] Speaker 17: important to document is so that the agency, the law,
[57:16] Speaker 17: the police department, can itself see what officers are doing,
[57:20] Speaker 17: because that's an opportunity to step in to correct misconduct
[57:25] Speaker 17: and to show officers the proper way to use their authority.
[57:28] Speaker 17: And if you're not doing that, then that can really
[57:31] Speaker 17: escalate problems with police departments. And we saw unfortunately indications
[57:35] Speaker 17: in some of these agencies that those reviews really weren't happening,
[57:40] Speaker 17: or worse that those who were doing the review were
[57:43] Speaker 17: trying to really cover up misconduct rather than to intervene
[57:46] Speaker 17: to correct it.
[57:50] Speaker 7: Great.
[57:53] Speaker 11: Thank you Roland, and thank you Jen for your work.
[57:55] Speaker 11: As reading the what comes Next section of report and
[58:00] Speaker 11: as you talk about continually litigation for records requests and
[58:05] Speaker 11: pushing folks and giving more information so policymakers and others
[58:08] Speaker 11: can really push for transparency, accountability and progressive reform. I'm
[58:12] Speaker 11: thinking about Harris County, you know, Roland's home ground there
[58:16] Speaker 11: in Texas, and how the Texas Supreme Court rule that
[58:21] Speaker 11: you know, the state is trying to stop stop support
[58:26] Speaker 11: for nonprofits that are helping immigrants down there, and as
[58:29] Speaker 11: these people are escalating, picking up folk and harassing for
[58:33] Speaker 11: have there been attempts to stop the ACLU either in
[58:37] Speaker 11: the lawsuits about policymakers trying to drain your resources or
[58:41] Speaker 11: prevent prevent you from filing these cases and these records
[58:45] Speaker 11: requests and it so, have you approached for pushing back
[58:48] Speaker 11: against those kind of things.
[58:51] Speaker 14: Absolutely.
[58:51] Speaker 17: Unfortunately, there were a lot of agencies that really delayed
[58:54] Speaker 17: in giving us information. And you know this is information
[58:57] Speaker 17: that under state laws they have to turn over and
[59:01] Speaker 17: even though that obligation was really clear, a lot of
[59:03] Speaker 17: these agencies really delayed. We had law enforcement agencies like
[59:07] Speaker 17: in Memphis where they just said no, they refused to
[59:10] Speaker 17: provide any of this information that under state law they're
[59:13] Speaker 17: required to give us until we filed lawsuits. And the
[59:16] Speaker 17: problem is not just that takes resources from lawyers like me,
[59:21] Speaker 17: but also that it's really supposed to be that people
[59:24] Speaker 17: in communities should be able to get information about their
[59:27] Speaker 17: police departments so they understand what's going on and so
[59:29] Speaker 17: that they can be informed when they go to their
[59:32] Speaker 17: local policy makers to try to get change to protect
[59:35] Speaker 17: them from police abuse.
[59:37] Speaker 14: And so this was really.
[59:38] Speaker 17: Concerning that we saw so many police departments really abuse
[59:41] Speaker 17: their control over police records to really delay and try
[59:45] Speaker 17: to cover police actions. But what we're doing is we
[59:50] Speaker 17: know that change can happen, and it comes from folks
[59:53] Speaker 17: in communities who are really pushing for police reform and
[59:56] Speaker 17: working with people who have power in their communities to
[59:59] Speaker 17: get that reform to happen. That's the way we really
[1:00:02] Speaker 17: see change in policing. And so we in this campaign,
[1:00:05] Speaker 17: we partnered with with groups in these different states, so
[1:00:10] Speaker 17: that they could get this information and then try to
[1:00:12] Speaker 17: take it to their communities and to the people who
[1:00:16] Speaker 17: represent them in their local towns to try to get
[1:00:19] Speaker 17: this change, to keep moving it forward even though DOJ
[1:00:22] Speaker 17: was abandoning them and try to interrupt the progress towards reform.
[1:00:27] Speaker 12: Thank you all right, Larry, thank you for sharing the
[1:00:34] Speaker 12: details and the report. You know, over the last several months,
[1:00:37] Speaker 12: we've seen, you know, a lot of federal involvement in
[1:00:40] Speaker 12: terms of immigration enforcement and jurisdictions throughout the United States,
[1:00:44] Speaker 12: and I'm wondering if you see anything you know, some
[1:00:46] Speaker 12: of the reports, data and talking to people on the
[1:00:48] Speaker 12: ground in terms of has that some of these federal
[1:00:51] Speaker 12: interventions in any way supercharged, like local excessive force reports
[1:00:58] Speaker 12: at all. And like I said, as you've seen these
[1:01:00] Speaker 12: trends over the last couple months Minnesota among other jurisdics
[1:01:03] Speaker 12: in store United States.
[1:01:05] Speaker 17: We have seen two ways that the Trump administration's abandonment
[1:01:10] Speaker 17: of police reform and encouragement of police misconduct has come
[1:01:15] Speaker 17: up in police departments that are local and state police departments.
[1:01:19] Speaker 17: One is with the federal government sort of coming in
[1:01:25] Speaker 17: and forcing local police departments or pushing local police departments
[1:01:29] Speaker 17: to engage in these aggressive tactics. We're seeing this in Memphis,
[1:01:32] Speaker 17: for example, one of the places where Trump tore up
[1:01:35] Speaker 17: findings of racial targeting and excessive force. They then went
[1:01:40] Speaker 17: in under an order from Trump with federal agents to
[1:01:44] Speaker 17: really flood Memphis with both federal agents and state and
[1:01:48] Speaker 17: local law enforcement working together on using the same tactics
[1:01:52] Speaker 17: that there's been excellent reporting showing that these tactics are
[1:01:55] Speaker 17: racial targeting and that they're using excessive and aggressive tactic.
[1:02:00] Speaker 14: So the same ones that Memphis was supposed.
[1:02:02] Speaker 17: To get reform on now Trump is turbo charging those
[1:02:06] Speaker 17: with this influx of federal actors. And we also see
[1:02:09] Speaker 17: that that's sort of encouraging aggressive and racially targeted practices
[1:02:14] Speaker 17: from other local police departments.
[1:02:20] Speaker 7: Jen Tael, Folks where they could go read the report.
[1:02:23] Speaker 17: You can find it on our website ACLU dot org.
[1:02:27] Speaker 17: It's called Regressive Policing under President Trump. We hope you'll
[1:02:30] Speaker 17: read it and that you'll help to fight back against
[1:02:32] Speaker 17: police abuse.
[1:02:35] Speaker 13: All right, Gene, We're so appreciate it. Thanks a bunch
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[1:06:36] Speaker 13: I have been reading Howard Bryant's book. You might have
[1:06:40] Speaker 13: seen our conversation with him. It is called Kings and
[1:06:44] Speaker 13: Pawns Jackie Robinson and Paul Ropesen in America.
[1:06:48] Speaker 7: It's a fascinating book. And what it deals with.
[1:06:52] Speaker 13: It deals with this clash that took place through two
[1:06:56] Speaker 13: individuals who actually never ever met. I'm still stunned that
[1:07:00] Speaker 13: Paul Ropson and Jackie Robinson never met, considering they were,
[1:07:05] Speaker 13: in essence two of the biggest black figures in America.
[1:07:09] Speaker 7: At the time.
[1:07:10] Speaker 13: And it talks about when branch Rickey pretty much won
[1:07:15] Speaker 13: at Jackie Robinson and how he arranged and set it
[1:07:18] Speaker 13: up for him to testify before Congress against Paul Robson,
[1:07:23] Speaker 13: and Paul Ropson was being branded a communist, and Paul
[1:07:26] Speaker 13: Robson wasn't fall for the oki though, and Ropson was
[1:07:29] Speaker 13: making it perfectly clear that he was a patriotic American,
[1:07:33] Speaker 13: but he was not going to simply have the same
[1:07:37] Speaker 13: view of patriotism as white folks. And so Jackie Robinson
[1:07:42] Speaker 13: was being hailed as the right African American, the right person.
[1:07:47] Speaker 13: They loved that phrase, be a credit to your race.
[1:07:50] Speaker 13: And so Robinson testifies it for the House of an
[1:07:52] Speaker 13: American committee. But when if you understand Jackie Robinson in
[1:07:56] Speaker 13: this book, you'll see that as he continued his career,
[1:08:00] Speaker 13: his view of America changed. His view when it came
[1:08:02] Speaker 13: to the flag changed when it came to the star
[1:08:06] Speaker 13: spangled banner change. In fact, if you read Jackie Robertson's book,
[1:08:10] Speaker 13: I never had it made. He said that he could not,
[1:08:13] Speaker 13: he couldn't salute that flag and a star spangled banner
[1:08:17] Speaker 13: because of how black folks were treated. Then you start
[1:08:20] Speaker 13: thinking about black folks in the military, You start thinking
[1:08:23] Speaker 13: about what they endured. And after World War One and
[1:08:29] Speaker 13: World War Two, black soldiers are coming back and there
[1:08:32] Speaker 13: were fights in depots like literally, I said, getting off
[1:08:36] Speaker 13: of the trains. How in World War Two, Nazi prisoners
[1:08:40] Speaker 13: of war were put in the cars ahead of Black
[1:08:44] Speaker 13: soldiers and these were Nazis. We on and on and
[1:08:48] Speaker 13: on and so what white folks don't seem to understand
[1:08:53] Speaker 13: is black folks perspective of American patriotism is far different
[1:08:59] Speaker 13: from theirs. Its apple pies, everything is great, America is wonderful.
[1:09:04] Speaker 13: That is not how black folks actually see it. And
[1:09:07] Speaker 13: Associated Press did a poll dealing with this whole issue,
[1:09:11] Speaker 13: and it shows you the different view. Three out of
[1:09:15] Speaker 13: ten African Americans said that they display the American flag.
[1:09:20] Speaker 13: Just twenty two percent view it as a unifying symbol,
[1:09:24] Speaker 13: and contrast, fifty five percent of white Americans see the
[1:09:27] Speaker 13: flag as a unifying symbol. Researchers explain that many black
[1:09:31] Speaker 13: respondents have a different perspective on the flag due to
[1:09:34] Speaker 13: the historical context of slavery, segregation, and ongoing racial discrimination.
[1:09:39] Speaker 13: Participants also say the flag represents not only will black
[1:09:43] Speaker 13: Americans have fought to achieve, but also the freedom of
[1:09:46] Speaker 13: the country has yet to deliver.
[1:09:48] Speaker 7: You've heard me say this.
[1:09:49] Speaker 13: Also, every time you see an instant of police brutality,
[1:09:53] Speaker 13: there is a US flag as on the shoulder of
[1:09:57] Speaker 13: that police officer.
[1:09:59] Speaker 7: So this poe was not shocking to me. Greg.
[1:10:02] Speaker 13: And and this right here, this right here, Uh is
[1:10:06] Speaker 13: the point that a lot of people, uh don't seem
[1:10:09] Speaker 13: to really understand. In fact, I'm gonna pull it in
[1:10:12] Speaker 13: the second, We're gonna play it. There's been a lot
[1:10:14] Speaker 13: of conversation when Obama answer a question about white slave
[1:10:20] Speaker 13: holders and were still calling them genius, and folks like, man, what.
[1:10:24] Speaker 7: The hell, what the hell are you talking about?
[1:10:26] Speaker 5: Uh?
[1:10:27] Speaker 13: And this is uh, this is the thing that people
[1:10:30] Speaker 13: don't don't get.
[1:10:32] Speaker 5: Uh.
[1:10:32] Speaker 7: And and and Greg enlightened folks who don't understand how
[1:10:38] Speaker 7: w E. B.
[1:10:39] Speaker 13: Du Boyce laid this out? Uh, this this this view
[1:10:46] Speaker 13: for black people, that it's this this sort of you know, uh,
[1:10:51] Speaker 13: this two face, this this two less and how how
[1:10:54] Speaker 13: we just how we saw we've seen this country and
[1:10:58] Speaker 13: we still view this in a completely different way than
[1:11:03] Speaker 13: white folks, even if you're an African American of means
[1:11:07] Speaker 13: and you have risen to a certain level.
[1:11:11] Speaker 11: Yes, sir well, I mean, you know, I think for
[1:11:14] Speaker 11: doctor Dubois, as for so many others, the idea of
[1:11:18] Speaker 11: patriotism is the problem. In many ways, Patriotism is a
[1:11:24] Speaker 11: step toward fascism. And for doctor du Boyce, who talked,
[1:11:28] Speaker 11: as you said, and the souls of black folkn for
[1:11:30] Speaker 11: a decade and twentyeth century about that double consciousness, whatever
[1:11:33] Speaker 11: feels his consciousness as an American and Negro to warrn
[1:11:36] Speaker 11: souls in one dark body whose dog gets strength alone
[1:11:40] Speaker 11: keeps it from being torn asunder. That's a problem that
[1:11:43] Speaker 11: du boys grappled with. But he lived another sixty years,
[1:11:46] Speaker 11: and by the time he left for Ghana, and of
[1:11:49] Speaker 11: course you stood at his gravesite. You stood at the
[1:11:52] Speaker 11: grave site of WD Boyce and Shirley Graham du Boyce
[1:11:55] Speaker 11: there and I cry understood that he was a citizen
[1:11:58] Speaker 11: of the world, as was Paul Roberson. And then, of course,
[1:12:00] Speaker 11: anybody who has missed the conversation you had with our
[1:12:03] Speaker 11: brother Howard Bryant around Kings and Pawns owes it to
[1:12:06] Speaker 11: himself to think to go back and watch that in
[1:12:09] Speaker 11: the Blackstar Network archive, because Howard does trace that fight.
[1:12:13] Speaker 11: The nineteen fifties, the so called Red Scare. The Red
[1:12:17] Speaker 11: Scare relied on the idea of patriotism to try to
[1:12:21] Speaker 11: split black people in the United States off from the
[1:12:24] Speaker 11: struggles around the world, and they were largely successful. So
[1:12:27] Speaker 11: many negroes wrap themselves in the flags, but not the
[1:12:30] Speaker 11: rank and file black voote. You know, we're talking about
[1:12:33] Speaker 11: the kind of black elites who may try to negotiate
[1:12:36] Speaker 11: differently than the masters of black people when we see
[1:12:38] Speaker 11: our friends. We just passed the birthday of Dory Ladner,
[1:12:40] Speaker 11: the late Dory Ladner ancestors her sister Joyce, still lives
[1:12:44] Speaker 11: here in the DC area, Hadsburg, Mississippi. Those snick students
[1:12:47] Speaker 11: waving flags weren't doing it out of patriotism. They were
[1:12:50] Speaker 11: doing it to raise the question of the hypocrisy, how
[1:12:54] Speaker 11: dare you assault us with these flags? And they stood
[1:12:56] Speaker 11: outside the funeral at Sixteenth Street Baptist Church, as a
[1:12:59] Speaker 11: famous picture of Jey Latin is standing there with an
[1:13:01] Speaker 11: American flag next to Donnad Moses now marimba I knee
[1:13:04] Speaker 11: as we know, and I raised all that to say this, finally,
[1:13:07] Speaker 11: the question of patriotism is really, in many ways the
[1:13:11] Speaker 11: question of how you try to mash everybody into one
[1:13:14] Speaker 11: concept of being human and cover it up with a lie.
[1:13:17] Speaker 7: You know.
[1:13:17] Speaker 11: Saint Clair Lewis, the writer, said that when fascism comes
[1:13:21] Speaker 11: to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
[1:13:24] Speaker 11: carrying across and so black people reject that, including black
[1:13:27] Speaker 11: people in the military. You will never find me waving
[1:13:31] Speaker 11: an American flag. And as Jack Robinson said, he could
[1:13:34] Speaker 11: not stand for it when he bless you said it
[1:13:36] Speaker 11: and I never had it made. I can't stand for it.
[1:13:38] Speaker 11: This man was a veteran who they tried to run
[1:13:39] Speaker 11: out of the army. There's a man who had near
[1:13:41] Speaker 11: the end of his life. He didn't even make it
[1:13:43] Speaker 11: to sixty years old. Here's snow white with diabetes.
[1:13:46] Speaker 7: Is white.
[1:13:46] Speaker 11: Rachel who still walks to earth is like the stress
[1:13:49] Speaker 11: alone sent my husband to an early grave. Jack Robinson
[1:13:52] Speaker 11: was like I will not salute the flag. I know
[1:13:55] Speaker 11: what it costs, and so yeah, it's a complicated story.
[1:13:59] Speaker 7: Roland.
[1:13:59] Speaker 11: I'm glad you're raising it here on the eve of
[1:14:01] Speaker 11: the fourth of July, because it's not something that black
[1:14:03] Speaker 11: people will talk about publicly much.
[1:14:05] Speaker 13: It seems to me, Larry, we we're gonna be aaron
[1:14:15] Speaker 13: after this show. The famous Frederick Douglas speak speech what
[1:14:23] Speaker 13: does it mean to the Slave the fourth of July?
[1:14:25] Speaker 13: And what I had a bunch of different entertainers and
[1:14:29] Speaker 13: others and activists who read different portions of that speech,
[1:14:35] Speaker 13: and I thank Paul at Washington, Sam Jackson and others
[1:14:39] Speaker 13: who didn't. So we run that every year about this time.
[1:14:44] Speaker 13: And when I think about that, I think about those
[1:14:51] Speaker 13: amazing Harlem hell fighters World War One who saw more
[1:15:00] Speaker 13: combat than anybody else. More than three thousand went to
[1:15:06] Speaker 13: World War one, half came back, and how they were
[1:15:12] Speaker 13: received by the French, and how the French embraced them
[1:15:18] Speaker 13: and shared it with them.
[1:15:21] Speaker 7: And then a memo was written.
[1:15:24] Speaker 13: Now these are black soldiers fighting on behalf of the United.
[1:15:31] Speaker 7: States, and a memo is written and is sent to
[1:15:38] Speaker 7: the French.
[1:15:40] Speaker 13: To admonish them to stop treating the black soldiers, so well,
[1:15:46] Speaker 13: the memo says, don't do this because they might gap
[1:15:52] Speaker 13: other feelings about how they should be treated when they
[1:15:55] Speaker 13: come back home. They wanted the French to engage in
[1:16:01] Speaker 13: Jim Crow's segregation against black troops. And these black and
[1:16:06] Speaker 13: the French were like, the hell y'all talking about these
[1:16:11] Speaker 13: are American troops.
[1:16:14] Speaker 7: And then I think about.
[1:16:17] Speaker 13: Reading Ethan Mchayley's book I'm a Chicago Defender.
[1:16:23] Speaker 7: I think about the reality that this Department of Defense.
[1:16:32] Speaker 13: Threatened to arrest black newspaper publishers, including John Sinstack of
[1:16:40] Speaker 13: a Chicago Defender, to charge them with treason because they
[1:16:46] Speaker 13: dared to write about racism that black troops were.
[1:16:52] Speaker 7: Facing in World War Two. They came back close and.
[1:16:58] Speaker 13: So here are black papers say, wait a minute, we're
[1:17:03] Speaker 13: simply covering our reality. No, no, y'all are causing dissension
[1:17:07] Speaker 13: in the ranks. So what white America said to black.
[1:17:12] Speaker 7: People in World War One and World War Two in Korea,
[1:17:20] Speaker 7: in Vietnam, what they said.
[1:17:22] Speaker 13: To John Carlos and Tommy Smith in Mexico City, Hey, hey, hey,
[1:17:28] Speaker 13: I need y'all to put all that aside, because you're
[1:17:34] Speaker 13: representing America, and when you represent America, you're supposed to
[1:17:40] Speaker 13: be appreciative and you're supposed to drape yourself in the flag.
[1:17:45] Speaker 7: And last point, Larry Jesse Owen said, Hitler did not
[1:17:51] Speaker 7: disrespect me.
[1:17:54] Speaker 13: It was President Franklin Delano Roosevelt who would not receive
[1:17:59] Speaker 13: me at the White House. That's the history of black
[1:18:03] Speaker 13: folks in this country. And that's why we can't look
[1:18:06] Speaker 13: at that flag the same way.
[1:18:10] Speaker 12: Brolan, you preached the whole word, and we really we're
[1:18:14] Speaker 12: need to have a series on this, and so let's
[1:18:17] Speaker 12: unpack a few things in this complicated relationship the black
[1:18:22] Speaker 12: folks have with patriotism, the flag, et cetera, and throughout
[1:18:25] Speaker 12: you know, throughout our you know, our first first Africans
[1:18:28] Speaker 12: and arriving here in sixteen ninety. So one of the
[1:18:31] Speaker 12: things you mentioned in terms of the US military then
[1:18:34] Speaker 12: is also talk about today in Secretary Hecseth and what
[1:18:36] Speaker 12: we're hearing about black military officers who deserve promotions, who
[1:18:41] Speaker 12: are having their names removed. So you talked about World
[1:18:44] Speaker 12: War One, World War II specifically, those issues relating to
[1:18:49] Speaker 12: discrimination still exist post and a post racial society, right,
[1:18:55] Speaker 12: So we've gone a full circle and are still deal
[1:18:58] Speaker 12: with the same issues that those same brave soldiers that
[1:19:01] Speaker 12: Harlem health fighters among others, dealt with throwing World War Two.
[1:19:04] Speaker 12: I think the other point is, you know, you mentioned
[1:19:06] Speaker 12: the Boys, and brother Carr talked about double consciousness. The
[1:19:10] Speaker 12: other thing that the Boys talked about is the veil
[1:19:13] Speaker 12: in terms of this, and so it's a black folm
[1:19:15] Speaker 12: in terms of how black folks and white America view
[1:19:18] Speaker 12: what it is like in terms of this racial cast system.
[1:19:21] Speaker 12: And so black intellectuals and other folks, civil rights leaders
[1:19:26] Speaker 12: have been talking about this complicated relationship with how we
[1:19:29] Speaker 12: viewed the flag for decades. You talked about Frederick Douglass, right,
[1:19:33] Speaker 12: who predates the Boys. Right, we keep talking once again
[1:19:36] Speaker 12: that full circle moment. I think ultimately we find ourselves
[1:19:39] Speaker 12: in is it's like being caught in a time war. Right,
[1:19:44] Speaker 12: when you repeat the same like groundhog Day, a racial
[1:19:47] Speaker 12: groundhog day, we're forced to repeat the same events but
[1:19:50] Speaker 12: in different times over and over again. And doctor Carr
[1:19:54] Speaker 12: made the point about people seeing her humanity and being
[1:19:57] Speaker 12: careful mentally did not that and let people think that
[1:20:01] Speaker 12: we are inhuman and allowing them to humanize us. But
[1:20:05] Speaker 12: overall as black folks, we have to continue to fight
[1:20:08] Speaker 12: for what is our rights. Because we fought to dismantled
[1:20:12] Speaker 12: Jim Crow and then those great Society programs among other
[1:20:15] Speaker 12: really create key tenants have been dismantled, and once again
[1:20:19] Speaker 12: we're full circle and right back where we were, where
[1:20:21] Speaker 12: my parents were. I want to note lastly, brow In,
[1:20:23] Speaker 12: that my parents are born dem Trump doing Jim Crow.
[1:20:26] Speaker 12: I'm first generation post Jim Crow. My son now has
[1:20:30] Speaker 12: to deal with some of the same challenges that my
[1:20:33] Speaker 12: parents did in a different error and not benefit from
[1:20:35] Speaker 12: all the hard work that they did. And the programs
[1:20:39] Speaker 12: I benefit from now have been removed and he can't
[1:20:41] Speaker 12: benefit for those programs anymore.
[1:20:47] Speaker 7: Derek, I don't watch soccer. I don't there's no interest.
[1:20:57] Speaker 13: But we have seen the photo in the videos of
[1:21:01] Speaker 13: Michael Kuckock. He is the man from the Congo Major
[1:21:08] Speaker 13: major fan. Y'all should pull his photol come on and
[1:21:11] Speaker 13: he stands at games in a still pose.
[1:21:16] Speaker 7: And the tribute is to national hero Patrice Lamomba.
[1:21:24] Speaker 13: And for folk who don't understand Patricia la Mumba, one
[1:21:28] Speaker 13: of the leaders who freed the Congo from the control
[1:21:32] Speaker 13: of the racist, heinous despicable Belgium.
[1:21:41] Speaker 7: For those of you I know, I don't. I'm not
[1:21:43] Speaker 7: at home, so I don't have the book with me.
[1:21:45] Speaker 7: I know Greg got that book back there. Y'all need
[1:21:48] Speaker 7: to read the book on King Leopold, who killed more Congolese.
[1:21:54] Speaker 13: Than Hitler killed Jews in Germany, and how they raped
[1:21:59] Speaker 13: and pillage that come.
[1:22:02] Speaker 7: And it was this country and Greg had the author
[1:22:06] Speaker 7: of the book where.
[1:22:07] Speaker 13: It was President Dwight Eisenhower who became the first president
[1:22:12] Speaker 13: on record to call for the assassination of a foreign leader.
[1:22:17] Speaker 7: And that leader was Lamomba Lamuma.
[1:22:23] Speaker 13: It was a CIA involved in that killed by firing squad.
[1:22:30] Speaker 13: Body dissolved with asset because it did not want his
[1:22:35] Speaker 13: gravesit to become memorial. The only thing left was a tooth,
[1:22:42] Speaker 13: and that tooth has been residing in Belgium ever since.
[1:22:49] Speaker 13: But I want to read a couple of things his
[1:22:54] Speaker 13: last words. First of all, this is what he wrote
[1:22:58] Speaker 13: his wife, his last letter to her. Neither brutality, nor cruelty,
[1:23:06] Speaker 13: nor torture will ever forced me to ask for mercy.
[1:23:11] Speaker 13: I prefer to die with my head held high, with
[1:23:15] Speaker 13: unshakable faith and profound trust in the destiny of my country,
[1:23:21] Speaker 13: then to live in submission and contempt of sacred principles.
[1:23:27] Speaker 13: History will one day have it, say, but it will
[1:23:30] Speaker 13: not be the history taught in Brussels, Paris.
[1:23:34] Speaker 7: Washington or the United Nations.
[1:23:36] Speaker 13: Africa will write its own history, and it will be
[1:23:39] Speaker 13: a history of glory and dignity.
[1:23:42] Speaker 7: But these were the final words to his countrymen.
[1:23:47] Speaker 13: When y'all have that La Mumba video, need to roll it, please,
[1:23:51] Speaker 13: he said, My dear countryman, in joy and in sorrow,
[1:23:54] Speaker 13: I will always be with you. It was together with
[1:23:58] Speaker 13: you that I fought to read my country from foreign rule.
[1:24:02] Speaker 7: Together with you, I'm fighting just strengthen our natural independence.
[1:24:05] Speaker 13: Together with you, I will fight to preserve the integrity
[1:24:08] Speaker 13: and national unit of the Republic of the Congo. Neither cruelty,
[1:24:12] Speaker 13: nor violence, nor torture will make me beg for mercy
[1:24:15] Speaker 13: because I prefurther died, but my head raised high, unshakable
[1:24:19] Speaker 13: faith in my country's predestination, rather than live.
[1:24:23] Speaker 7: In submission, forsaking my sacred principles. It was that flag.
[1:24:32] Speaker 7: It was the dullest brothers. It was this country.
[1:24:39] Speaker 13: That killed him, That led to the devastating rain, deadly rain,
[1:24:48] Speaker 13: evil ragn of Mabuto.
[1:24:53] Speaker 7: So when the Congo lemes see that flag, I.
[1:24:54] Speaker 13: Wonder what they think, other than that African nations see
[1:24:58] Speaker 13: that flag, what do they think?
[1:25:00] Speaker 7: See?
[1:25:00] Speaker 13: This is what white people cannot understand. What they cannot
[1:25:07] Speaker 13: That's why in our studio I have that poster from
[1:25:10] Speaker 13: Birth of a Nation from Nate Parker, where the American
[1:25:14] Speaker 13: flag is a noose around his neck. We simply do
[1:25:19] Speaker 13: not see the flag in the same way that they
[1:25:23] Speaker 13: do because they do not have our life story.
[1:25:34] Speaker 15: Reason why we don't view that flag the same way,
[1:25:39] Speaker 15: and I certainly agree with my dear brothers, we don't
[1:25:43] Speaker 15: see it the same way because we take a comprehensive view.
[1:25:47] Speaker 15: See for those who say that we should wrap ourselves
[1:25:52] Speaker 15: with the flag, they talk about the.
[1:25:55] Speaker 10: Triumph, But we see tragedy and scar with this flag.
[1:26:02] Speaker 10: We see that.
[1:26:05] Speaker 15: This constitution that for those of us who served, and
[1:26:09] Speaker 15: I serve twenty two years, I'm gonna retire to the commander,
[1:26:15] Speaker 15: our oath is on a flawed document around the Constitution
[1:26:20] Speaker 15: of the United States against all eny means foreign and domestic.
[1:26:25] Speaker 15: And so while we're out there serving, we see America
[1:26:29] Speaker 15: doing something very different.
[1:26:32] Speaker 10: I mean, it's incredulous when they.
[1:26:35] Speaker 15: Say we want to export democracy to these other countries,
[1:26:40] Speaker 15: but yet they're not practicing democracy right here in the
[1:26:43] Speaker 15: United States.
[1:26:45] Speaker 11: We have a long history.
[1:26:48] Speaker 15: Let's go back to the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth Amendment
[1:26:53] Speaker 15: of the Constitution.
[1:26:55] Speaker 10: So this country where I had the opportunity to serve
[1:26:58] Speaker 10: for twenty two years. I raised my hand. They're's an oh,
[1:27:02] Speaker 10: but before they can even free those who look like us.
[1:27:07] Speaker 15: Before they even talked about the thirteenth Amendment, fourteenth Amendment,
[1:27:11] Speaker 15: fifteen minute, they were talking about guns, the second Amendment,
[1:27:16] Speaker 15: they were talking about searching caizar, they were talking about
[1:27:18] Speaker 15: all the other things. First, we don't look at the
[1:27:23] Speaker 15: flag the same way because they do not have the scars,
[1:27:28] Speaker 15: they don't carry the.
[1:27:29] Speaker 10: Scars the same way.
[1:27:32] Speaker 15: Let's unpeel this just a little bit more deeper, right,
[1:27:36] Speaker 15: I mean, when you look at slavery and you're going
[1:27:40] Speaker 15: to put in the Constitution that.
[1:27:42] Speaker 10: We're three fifths of a man.
[1:27:44] Speaker 15: So every military black man in all the wars that
[1:27:48] Speaker 15: you described, the very thing that they wanted most roland.
[1:27:54] Speaker 15: They wanted to be looked upon as a man. I
[1:27:58] Speaker 15: just finished watching The twenty fourth on Netflix and he
[1:28:02] Speaker 15: gave his life at the.
[1:28:04] Speaker 10: End case, he said, I am a man. I'm not
[1:28:08] Speaker 10: just a subject. You don't want to send me the war.
[1:28:11] Speaker 10: You treat me in one manner, and you saying I'm going.
[1:28:14] Speaker 15: To serve this country. You want me to wrap myself
[1:28:16] Speaker 15: with this flag, but you don't even see me.
[1:28:20] Speaker 10: As a man. That's the reason why.
[1:28:24] Speaker 15: And I had the flag behind me to remind those
[1:28:27] Speaker 15: every time someone comes to my home that I serve
[1:28:30] Speaker 15: this country.
[1:28:32] Speaker 10: So when they asked, you're not patriotic, how dare you?
[1:28:36] Speaker 15: And I know we're going to talk about this later
[1:28:38] Speaker 15: on about how they arrested an individual, a military officer,
[1:28:44] Speaker 15: because he is trying to do exactly what the oath
[1:28:49] Speaker 15: required for him to do. The problem is Roland. He's
[1:28:53] Speaker 15: doing against a person that is a thirty four time felon,
[1:28:58] Speaker 15: as a person that has enriched himself, as a person
[1:29:02] Speaker 15: that has trampled on this country constitution, has trampled against
[1:29:07] Speaker 15: the rule of law. He has done everything with the
[1:29:10] Speaker 15: Uniform Code of Military Justice Article eighty eight.
[1:29:13] Speaker 10: Told me not to do as a military officer.
[1:29:18] Speaker 15: That's the reason why we do not see this flag
[1:29:21] Speaker 15: the same way as others who embrace this flag the
[1:29:25] Speaker 15: way we do not embrace it.
[1:29:28] Speaker 10: It is complicated.
[1:29:29] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:29:30] Speaker 15: Yes, we serve this country and that we are man
[1:29:33] Speaker 15: and that's why you cannot disrespect us.
[1:29:37] Speaker 7: And that's why.
[1:29:40] Speaker 13: When as they are celebrating America two fifty, we have
[1:29:47] Speaker 13: these shirts up on our shot Blackstart network dot com site,
[1:29:53] Speaker 13: and y'all go ahead and pull us up for me,
[1:29:56] Speaker 13: I'm gonna read Paul Ropes in first. I'm gonna read
[1:29:58] Speaker 13: Paul is that. No, y'all have to change the Paul
[1:30:02] Speaker 13: Ropes first. So uh, let me read for y'all the
[1:30:06] Speaker 13: Paul Ropes and uh and and and again. See what
[1:30:13] Speaker 13: Donald Trump has done. Donald Trump wants to present uh,
[1:30:18] Speaker 13: that other view, that other perspective of American history.
[1:30:22] Speaker 5: Uh.
[1:30:23] Speaker 13: And see what they want to do is they want
[1:30:25] Speaker 13: they want to present the whitewashed view of American history.
[1:30:30] Speaker 13: But for us, it's about truly sharing with you what
[1:30:35] Speaker 13: freedom fight us stood for. This was what Paul Ropeson said.
[1:30:39] Speaker 13: This is our home and this is our country. Beneath
[1:30:45] Speaker 13: its soil lie bones of our fathers, for in some
[1:30:51] Speaker 13: of them fought, bled and died.
[1:30:53] Speaker 7: Here we were born and here we will stay. Uh.
[1:30:57] Speaker 13: And we actually make it a change. We're gonna put
[1:30:59] Speaker 13: American two fifty above that. See, I want us to
[1:31:03] Speaker 13: have a different perspective. This is the James Baldwin shirt.
[1:31:07] Speaker 13: I love America more than any other country in this world,
[1:31:12] Speaker 13: and exactly for this reason, I insist on the right
[1:31:16] Speaker 13: to criticize her perpetually. That's why we have a different
[1:31:23] Speaker 13: perspective of the flags. Quick break, we come back. We'll
[1:31:29] Speaker 13: chat with Morgan harper by the new job numbers and
[1:31:32] Speaker 13: what happened to this golden economy we were promised. You're
[1:31:36] Speaker 13: watching Roland Martin Unfiltered on the black Star Network.
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[1:33:24] Speaker 13: Last month, Oh my goodness, Scott Descent, Donald Trump, they
[1:33:28] Speaker 13: were all height regardles of jobs report. Oh we wasn't
[1:33:34] Speaker 13: as good as they said. This month's report, Just fifty
[1:33:38] Speaker 13: seven thousand jobs were added.
[1:33:41] Speaker 7: Well, below the one.
[1:33:42] Speaker 13: Hundred and thirteen thousand economists expected. Now, the overall n
[1:33:46] Speaker 13: employment dropped the four point two percent. That's because folk, frankly,
[1:33:50] Speaker 13: have stopped looking for a job. Black unemployment rate remains
[1:33:53] Speaker 13: the same as six point six percent for black men dropped.
[1:33:56] Speaker 13: The five point eight percent black women increased slightly.
[1:34:00] Speaker 12: The five.
[1:34:01] Speaker 13: We're joined now by Morgan Harper, direct your policy and
[1:34:03] Speaker 13: Advocacy of the American Economic Liberties Project.
[1:34:06] Speaker 7: Morgan, glad to have you here. So tell us about
[1:34:09] Speaker 7: those revisions for May.
[1:34:10] Speaker 23: Morgan, Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of enthusiasm
[1:34:16] Speaker 23: from the White House with those numbers last month that
[1:34:19] Speaker 23: they were or from May that they were over one
[1:34:21] Speaker 23: hundred thousand. But you know, as we discussed even within
[1:34:24] Speaker 23: those there was some more nuance. But now we are
[1:34:26] Speaker 23: getting confirmation that they has to be a downward revision
[1:34:30] Speaker 23: of tens of thousands, and so I think over the
[1:34:33] Speaker 23: last two months the revision now it's lowering it by
[1:34:36] Speaker 23: over seventy thousand jobs in total, which is you know,
[1:34:39] Speaker 23: pretty significant. But like we talk about, I mean, we
[1:34:42] Speaker 23: have been talking about the last couple of years, rolling
[1:34:45] Speaker 23: you know, we have to kind of take these things
[1:34:46] Speaker 23: as a snapshot. It's hard to draw too many firm
[1:34:50] Speaker 23: conclusions from just one month, but even looking at the
[1:34:54] Speaker 23: last couple of months, I think we continue to see
[1:34:57] Speaker 23: an economy that has these little signs of vulnerabilities and
[1:35:03] Speaker 23: that you know, all is not well, despite what the
[1:35:05] Speaker 23: White House might be saying, Well, this is the.
[1:35:10] Speaker 13: Thing that I think we can draw and that's this
[1:35:13] Speaker 13: They have been promising, Oh, it's gonna be an amazing,
[1:35:16] Speaker 13: it's gonna be a great ecomedy, it's gonna be unbelievable.
[1:35:20] Speaker 7: That is not materialized. And they could I mean, in fact,
[1:35:24] Speaker 7: I think seeing in.
[1:35:25] Speaker 13: Or it's now one of them put a mass up
[1:35:27] Speaker 13: together of all of these moving of the goal posts
[1:35:31] Speaker 13: when it comes to this common and they keep promising, Oh, no, no,
[1:35:34] Speaker 13: the next quarter, it's gonna be amazing, it's gonna be stunning,
[1:35:38] Speaker 13: it's gonna be incredible.
[1:35:39] Speaker 7: It hasn't happened.
[1:35:42] Speaker 23: Yeah, And I think this month, seeing you know that
[1:35:44] Speaker 23: we have just over fifty thousand jobs. Now the White
[1:35:49] Speaker 23: House and you know, some of the analysts on Wall
[1:35:52] Speaker 23: Street the response will be like, well, that's growth, that's growth,
[1:35:54] Speaker 23: that's happening. But you dig in and kind of like
[1:35:57] Speaker 23: what you one of the things you highlighted at the beginning.
[1:35:59] Speaker 23: You see folks that are not getting full time work
[1:36:05] Speaker 23: even though they want to be working. So folks that
[1:36:07] Speaker 23: are stuck in part time jobs. That seems to be increasing.
[1:36:10] Speaker 23: And actually if you look at those that are working
[1:36:13] Speaker 23: more in part time than full time, that unemployment you're
[1:36:17] Speaker 23: seeing that unemployment of a seven point nine percent, So
[1:36:20] Speaker 23: that does feel a little bit more like a statistic
[1:36:23] Speaker 23: that is incorporating the facts of reality that people are experiencing.
[1:36:27] Speaker 23: Is yes, I might have a job, but I'm not
[1:36:29] Speaker 23: working as many hours that I would like to or
[1:36:31] Speaker 23: that I could be working, and it's not the type
[1:36:34] Speaker 23: of stable job that someone might be looking for. I
[1:36:37] Speaker 23: think another interesting indicator right now is you know, connected
[1:36:41] Speaker 23: to that labor force participation and how that might be declining,
[1:36:44] Speaker 23: is people who are out of work are staying out
[1:36:47] Speaker 23: of work longer and much more so than even a
[1:36:51] Speaker 23: year ago. That share is up to twenty seven point
[1:36:54] Speaker 23: three percent. And then you know, in terms of the
[1:36:58] Speaker 23: age group, where like, who are the these people that
[1:37:01] Speaker 23: would be working more if they could, but they aren't.
[1:37:03] Speaker 23: It is this prime age people who are in their
[1:37:06] Speaker 23: mid to late twenties all the way up to early fifties.
[1:37:10] Speaker 23: These are your primary for all of us primary earning years.
[1:37:13] Speaker 23: It's when you could be working a lot, you're less
[1:37:15] Speaker 23: likely to have health problems. And we have folks in
[1:37:18] Speaker 23: this category that are not working as much as they
[1:37:20] Speaker 23: would like. That is not a good sign at all.
[1:37:24] Speaker 23: The other thing that I would I would note in
[1:37:26] Speaker 23: this is something that we've talked talked about before too,
[1:37:30] Speaker 23: is the type of job. One of the areas that
[1:37:34] Speaker 23: we continue to see in these numbers two that is
[1:37:36] Speaker 23: creating jobs is healthcare. And though you know that again
[1:37:40] Speaker 23: not lining up with this promise of the booming manufacturing
[1:37:43] Speaker 23: economy that we've heard from the administration, and even where
[1:37:46] Speaker 23: we are seeing an uptick in a different category than
[1:37:49] Speaker 23: has happened in prior months. So this month's numbers is
[1:37:52] Speaker 23: showing an increase in jobs created in the professional business sector.
[1:37:56] Speaker 23: That is, if I could think of something that's probably
[1:37:58] Speaker 23: the opposite of manufacturing jobs, it would be, you know,
[1:38:01] Speaker 23: professional business sector. That's I mean, that's a good thing.
[1:38:04] Speaker 23: Jobs created good But you know, those jobs I would
[1:38:07] Speaker 23: think more likely to be higher income earners, more likely
[1:38:11] Speaker 23: to be people who could have advanced education. And this
[1:38:15] Speaker 23: is getting to one of the other themes that I
[1:38:17] Speaker 23: think we see this month that we're going to have
[1:38:20] Speaker 23: to continue to monitor that has been in many ways
[1:38:22] Speaker 23: the story of the American economy over the last several
[1:38:26] Speaker 23: decades really is this like break between those who are
[1:38:30] Speaker 23: earning more wage jobs, lower income earners, and folks that
[1:38:35] Speaker 23: are earning six figures above millionaire. Beyond that, you know,
[1:38:40] Speaker 23: continue to see growth and a strong economy, and so
[1:38:43] Speaker 23: that's why, you know, another indicator that they're that they
[1:38:45] Speaker 23: look at from the White House that we're seeing over
[1:38:48] Speaker 23: this last week is that the stock market is doing well.
[1:38:51] Speaker 23: Despite all of these areas of uncertainty for the average person,
[1:38:56] Speaker 23: those that are earning the most continues to seem to
[1:38:58] Speaker 23: be doing really well and they are able to continue
[1:39:01] Speaker 23: to ride this wave of things like you know, an
[1:39:03] Speaker 23: AI boom that that's also going to come to fruition.
[1:39:05] Speaker 23: But the main point again is that that is not
[1:39:08] Speaker 23: lining up with what the promise is that it's broad
[1:39:10] Speaker 23: based economic growth for the average American.
[1:39:13] Speaker 10: And the only other thing I'd say.
[1:39:14] Speaker 23: Before I turn it over to you back to your
[1:39:16] Speaker 23: role in is prices. So this the wage growth that
[1:39:20] Speaker 23: that is another positive indicator if you look at it
[1:39:23] Speaker 23: by itself, that workers are earning more money, but that
[1:39:28] Speaker 23: has been increased about three percent from this time last year,
[1:39:31] Speaker 23: three point five percent, while prices the inflation rate is
[1:39:34] Speaker 23: going up by six percent, not adding up at all
[1:39:38] Speaker 23: for the average person to try to maintain their household
[1:39:41] Speaker 23: and keep up with the cost of living.
[1:39:45] Speaker 13: And listen, I just think frankly, Donald Trump is living
[1:39:50] Speaker 13: off the remnants of the Biden Harris economy.
[1:39:53] Speaker 7: Same thing that happened in the first term.
[1:39:56] Speaker 13: All of this big beautiful bill, which is a big
[1:39:58] Speaker 13: ugly bill, None of that stuff has spurred what they
[1:40:01] Speaker 13: say it is going to happen. You take the tears,
[1:40:03] Speaker 13: you take them certainly over that, you take the war Iran.
[1:40:07] Speaker 13: The actions they're taking have been horrendous for the economy,
[1:40:11] Speaker 13: and they can try to keep spinning it, and of
[1:40:14] Speaker 13: course Fox News are never going to call them out,
[1:40:16] Speaker 13: but they know this economy is trash and it is
[1:40:19] Speaker 13: not this golden economy.
[1:40:22] Speaker 7: It ain't even silver, barely bronze.
[1:40:27] Speaker 23: Yeah, it's going to be really interesting how this all
[1:40:29] Speaker 23: plays out, because, yeah, like you're saying, I mean, nothing
[1:40:32] Speaker 23: that has happened over the last year war in Iran
[1:40:36] Speaker 23: gas prices, even if they're leveling off. I mean, those
[1:40:38] Speaker 23: have gone up quite a bit. Nothing that that's happening
[1:40:41] Speaker 23: is reaching the average American worker, consumer, all of us
[1:40:46] Speaker 23: real people in a positive way. And so I don't
[1:40:50] Speaker 23: think it's an accident that, you know, if we shift
[1:40:52] Speaker 23: to the political situation a little bit, that we're starting
[1:40:55] Speaker 23: to see people voting for Canada. So a lot of
[1:40:59] Speaker 23: these primaries that are like burn it down, we need
[1:41:02] Speaker 23: like a complete reset in terms of what's happening in Washington.
[1:41:06] Speaker 23: And again, it's going to be interesting though, just how
[1:41:09] Speaker 23: much of the blame gets ascribed to Donald Trump in
[1:41:13] Speaker 23: this administration versus an overall status quo critique, and how
[1:41:20] Speaker 23: much they're going to be able to really trick people
[1:41:22] Speaker 23: into thinking that they've produce good results when the numbers
[1:41:25] Speaker 23: just aren't showing that at all.
[1:41:29] Speaker 13: All right, then, Morgan Harper, which she'll appreciate it, thanks so.
[1:41:33] Speaker 14: Much, thanks for having me Roland.
[1:41:38] Speaker 13: All right, folks, you might have seen the stories over
[1:41:41] Speaker 13: the last couple of days that Donald Trump released his
[1:41:47] Speaker 13: financial reports, and it shows that in the last year
[1:41:51] Speaker 13: he's literally earned almost two billion dollars.
[1:41:56] Speaker 7: Most of that is through crypto.
[1:42:01] Speaker 13: Y'all remember what he said about crypto in twenty nineteen.
[1:42:07] Speaker 7: Pull it up, please. This is what he tweeted.
[1:42:11] Speaker 13: I'm not a fan of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, which
[1:42:14] Speaker 13: are not money and whose value is highly volatile and
[1:42:17] Speaker 13: based on thin air. Unregulated crypto assets can facilitate unlawful behavior,
[1:42:22] Speaker 13: including drug trade.
[1:42:24] Speaker 7: And other illegal activity.
[1:42:27] Speaker 13: Well then again, when you are thirty, when you are
[1:42:29] Speaker 13: a twice in peach, criminally convicted fellow in chief who
[1:42:33] Speaker 13: also has been found liable of rape, then you don't
[1:42:37] Speaker 13: mind unlawful activity as a Donald Trump all of a
[1:42:40] Speaker 13: sudden has embraced crypto.
[1:42:43] Speaker 7: And here's what's hilarious.
[1:42:46] Speaker 13: His poor little white fans, the people who think these
[1:42:52] Speaker 13: he is a little g god. They have gotten taken
[1:42:55] Speaker 13: to the cleaners. One person who invested some thirty three
[1:43:00] Speaker 13: thousand dollars in Donald Trump's coin, it's down worth less
[1:43:05] Speaker 13: than one hundred bucks. It's angry not of him, but
[1:43:08] Speaker 13: at the Democrats. I'm still trying to understand that one
[1:43:13] Speaker 13: these people have been taken to the cleaners.
[1:43:17] Speaker 7: And they still love him to death.
[1:43:19] Speaker 13: Y'all heard me say, he wouldn't even let these people
[1:43:22] Speaker 13: walk through his hotel lobby. And what we are seeing
[1:43:27] Speaker 13: is the greatest crime of anyone in the Oval Office.
[1:43:32] Speaker 7: Y'all.
[1:43:34] Speaker 13: You know it's bad when the Rupert Murdoch owned Conservative
[1:43:40] Speaker 13: Wall Street Journal and an editorial calls out the way
[1:43:47] Speaker 13: Donald Trump has enriched himself, and y'all, they ain't even
[1:43:51] Speaker 13: hiding this. You've got Peter Navarro literally calling to the
[1:43:55] Speaker 13: Fist Department telling them, no, y'all loan this company six
[1:43:59] Speaker 13: hundred million dollars that Donald Trump Junior as an investor in.
[1:44:02] Speaker 13: Oh and again Trump's financial report. Again, that's just him.
[1:44:07] Speaker 13: That doesn't cover Ivanka, Eric and Donald Jr.
[1:44:11] Speaker 7: And his other two children.
[1:44:13] Speaker 13: Folks, we are seeing this nation ripped off. That bs
[1:44:18] Speaker 13: State Fair, Oh my god. Democrats are alleging that there
[1:44:22] Speaker 13: were donors who were going to give to the Official
[1:44:24] Speaker 13: America two fifty Committee were being diverted to Donald Trump's group.
[1:44:29] Speaker 13: He's using taxpayer money to do all sorts of things.
[1:44:33] Speaker 7: And then of course this is him ragging that, oh, I'm.
[1:44:39] Speaker 13: The first person who's in the Oval Office who doesn't
[1:44:43] Speaker 13: accept my salary.
[1:44:50] Speaker 7: Do you'll have the clip?
[1:44:54] Speaker 13: So this is what's crazy. I want to bring in
[1:44:57] Speaker 13: Tim Wise right now. Tim has been on the show
[1:45:00] Speaker 13: before Tim anti racist educator. Tim, You've called these people
[1:45:07] Speaker 13: out in speeches and others, and I'm just sitting here going,
[1:45:12] Speaker 13: don't you idiots. We try to tell you it is
[1:45:15] Speaker 13: this that man don't care about, y'all. He ran for
[1:45:18] Speaker 13: president again to stay out of jail and so he
[1:45:22] Speaker 13: can get rich. And the broke white folks who love him,
[1:45:28] Speaker 13: who buy them foods, bought his little cheap ass watch.
[1:45:32] Speaker 13: They bought the watch, They buy his coins, they buy
[1:45:36] Speaker 13: his bibles, they buy all this stuff. And you know what,
[1:45:40] Speaker 13: Tim to them, to him, they're nothing but marks.
[1:45:45] Speaker 7: They're just mark.
[1:45:46] Speaker 13: So check this out Trump in the last year text
[1:45:49] Speaker 13: document show.
[1:45:50] Speaker 7: Trump made ten million dollars.
[1:45:53] Speaker 13: He made four point seven million on those cheap ass watches,
[1:45:58] Speaker 13: a million bucks on the Art of the Deal, two
[1:46:00] Speaker 13: hundred and eight thousand dollars on the God Bless the
[1:46:03] Speaker 13: USA Bible with Lee Greenwood. His Trump coins manufactured by
[1:46:07] Speaker 13: Chinese company four hundred ninety three thousand dollars. Trump's twenty
[1:46:11] Speaker 13: twenty three picture book A Bag of Journey five hundred
[1:46:14] Speaker 13: and fifty two thousand dollars, How to Get Rich Book
[1:46:17] Speaker 13: fifteen thousand, A picture book of letters written to Trump
[1:46:21] Speaker 13: called Letters to Trump five hundred and ninety thousand, his
[1:46:24] Speaker 13: twenty twenty four picture book Save America one point eight
[1:46:28] Speaker 13: nine million, The Trump Sneakers and Fragrances Fragrances sixty seven thousand,
[1:46:33] Speaker 13: The forty five Guitar thirty five thousand, To Think Like
[1:46:37] Speaker 13: a Champion Book five thousand, Why We Want You to
[1:46:40] Speaker 13: Be Rich, Book twenty five hundred, The Way to the
[1:46:43] Speaker 13: Top Book one thousand dollars, and all his broke ass
[1:46:46] Speaker 13: supporters they're at the.
[1:46:47] Speaker 7: Bottom, right.
[1:46:51] Speaker 20: Well, the problem, you know, is that when you have,
[1:46:55] Speaker 20: in fact been taken for a ride the way that
[1:46:58] Speaker 20: these people have been, and for so long, the challenge is,
[1:47:03] Speaker 20: I think there comes a point, there's a tipping point
[1:47:06] Speaker 20: where being able to acknowledge that you've been a sucker
[1:47:09] Speaker 20: becomes almost impossible.
[1:47:11] Speaker 8: Right.
[1:47:11] Speaker 20: You get to a point where you just can't face
[1:47:15] Speaker 20: the fact that you have been taken for a ride
[1:47:18] Speaker 20: the way that they have been by such a con man,
[1:47:21] Speaker 20: and so you have to rationalize what you've done. And
[1:47:24] Speaker 20: one of the best ways that you can rationalize it,
[1:47:26] Speaker 20: of course, is by reminding yourself, well, at the very least,
[1:47:31] Speaker 20: this guy hates the people I hate, right, and so
[1:47:34] Speaker 20: I will overlook all of that. I'll overlook the grift
[1:47:38] Speaker 20: and the graft. I will overlook all of the ripoffs.
[1:47:42] Speaker 20: I will overlook the mean coin nonsense. I will overlook
[1:47:46] Speaker 20: of all of this corruption because at the very least,
[1:47:50] Speaker 20: I know that on a tribal level, right, he's on
[1:47:54] Speaker 20: my side. He's on my team against the people that
[1:47:56] Speaker 20: I don't like, against the black and brown folks that
[1:47:59] Speaker 20: I don't like, against the LGBTQ folks that I don't like,
[1:48:03] Speaker 20: against all the immigrants and the foreigners who I don't like,
[1:48:06] Speaker 20: against whoever right that I don't like. And that's the
[1:48:09] Speaker 20: kind of politics that Trump's been about from the beginning.
[1:48:11] Speaker 20: You and I both know. We all know because the
[1:48:13] Speaker 20: research tells us as well as common sense, that it
[1:48:16] Speaker 20: was never about economics for these people. It was never
[1:48:19] Speaker 20: about the price of eggs. It was never about the
[1:48:21] Speaker 20: price of gas, It was never about any of that stuff.
[1:48:23] Speaker 20: It was always about tribalism. From the time that he
[1:48:26] Speaker 20: came down the elevator or the escalator in Trump Tower
[1:48:29] Speaker 20: back in twenty fifteen and started talking about immigrants on
[1:48:33] Speaker 20: day one, started talking about you know, rapists and murderers
[1:48:36] Speaker 20: and drug dealers and all of that. It's been about
[1:48:38] Speaker 20: that from the beginning, and this last election when many
[1:48:42] Speaker 20: of us thought, and Kamala Harris certainly did right when
[1:48:44] Speaker 20: he started talking about Haitians eating cats and dogs, and
[1:48:48] Speaker 20: I remember, we all remember she laughed about it in
[1:48:50] Speaker 20: the debate, and I think some of us thought, oh
[1:48:52] Speaker 20: my god, he's jumped the shark. He's lost his mind.
[1:48:55] Speaker 20: That's going to cost him the election, surely, And of
[1:48:57] Speaker 20: course it didn't, right, didn't hurt him at all, because
[1:48:59] Speaker 20: that was a symbolic tribal signal to certain white folks
[1:49:04] Speaker 20: in this country. Frankly, and you know, I've been white
[1:49:06] Speaker 20: for a long time. We've had this conversation before. Never
[1:49:09] Speaker 20: underestimate the ability of white folks to put aside all
[1:49:13] Speaker 20: of common sense and their own economic well being, to
[1:49:17] Speaker 20: signal their willingness to resort to tribal politics and to say, well, yeah,
[1:49:22] Speaker 20: I don't have much and he's not going to do
[1:49:24] Speaker 20: much for me. But at least he's going to kick
[1:49:26] Speaker 20: those people harder, right, He's going to punish them harder.
[1:49:30] Speaker 20: At least I know that he's going to stick it
[1:49:31] Speaker 20: to them more than he's going to stick it to me,
[1:49:33] Speaker 20: and I'm not going to be in last place. There's
[1:49:36] Speaker 20: this thing that white working class and lower income and
[1:49:40] Speaker 20: struggling people are willing to do, and have been willing
[1:49:42] Speaker 20: to do for four hundred years, right, going back to
[1:49:44] Speaker 20: the colonies for four hundred years, As long as we're
[1:49:47] Speaker 20: not last place, as long as there's somebody beneath us,
[1:49:52] Speaker 20: whether that's enslaved black folk, right even when we were
[1:49:55] Speaker 20: indentured servants, even when some of us were just one
[1:49:58] Speaker 20: level above enslave, long as those folks are permanent servants,
[1:50:03] Speaker 20: enslaved people, then we're better, right. And then later on, well,
[1:50:07] Speaker 20: you know, yeah, we're poor and we're landless and we
[1:50:10] Speaker 20: don't have much, but we're not enslaved or we're poor
[1:50:14] Speaker 20: and we don't have much, but at least, you know,
[1:50:15] Speaker 20: we're not segregated into schools on that side of town,
[1:50:19] Speaker 20: and we're allowed to own property. It might not be much,
[1:50:22] Speaker 20: but at least it's something, and we're allowed to vote,
[1:50:24] Speaker 20: and yeah, we don't like the candidates, but at least
[1:50:26] Speaker 20: we can vote. Like there's always that ability to be
[1:50:29] Speaker 20: above somebody, and that is a politic that has consistently
[1:50:34] Speaker 20: worked on a certain very large subset of white Americans.
[1:50:38] Speaker 20: And Trump knows that, and that's why he knows that
[1:50:41] Speaker 20: he can get away with all of these things because
[1:50:43] Speaker 20: there are enough people who will give him a pass
[1:50:46] Speaker 20: on that. And that's the thing that I think Democrats
[1:50:48] Speaker 20: haven't been able to figure out, right. They just haven't
[1:50:50] Speaker 20: been able to figure out how do you respond to
[1:50:52] Speaker 20: a politician because they continue to think that if they
[1:50:55] Speaker 20: just talk about affordability, if they just have a good
[1:50:58] Speaker 20: plan to bring down prices, that all of a sudden,
[1:51:00] Speaker 20: white folks will go, oh, oh okay, you've got a
[1:51:04] Speaker 20: better broadband internet access in rural America. Really let me
[1:51:08] Speaker 20: sign up for that. Oh you've got a plan to
[1:51:10] Speaker 20: lower the price of eggs. Oh okay, well, then I'll
[1:51:12] Speaker 20: vote for you. But the reality is Democrats have had
[1:51:15] Speaker 20: better plans for that, and it didn't work. Democrats have
[1:51:18] Speaker 20: had better policy positions, and it doesn't work because they're
[1:51:22] Speaker 20: not willing to confront openly the bigotry and the racism
[1:51:25] Speaker 20: and to say openly that we are going to confront
[1:51:29] Speaker 20: this legacy of racism in America and demand that America
[1:51:32] Speaker 20: be something better because they're afraid to challenge anti blackness
[1:51:36] Speaker 20: and as long as they're afraid to do that, we're
[1:51:38] Speaker 20: going to keep marinating in it like we have for
[1:51:40] Speaker 20: four hundred years.
[1:51:43] Speaker 13: I specifically told Sanator Bernie Sanders. I told sat Elizabeth
[1:51:47] Speaker 13: Warren and others, y'all need to be talking to white folk.
[1:51:52] Speaker 13: Y'all need to be going to those places and looking
[1:51:55] Speaker 13: them in the eye and say, listen. I said this
[1:51:58] Speaker 13: to Obama in the White House, and I said this
[1:52:02] Speaker 13: to Valerie Jarrett said, man, why y'all going to the
[1:52:05] Speaker 13: suburbs of Virginia and Ohio topping Affordable Care Act?
[1:52:10] Speaker 7: I said, no, y'all need to go to the reddest.
[1:52:15] Speaker 13: Whitest, sickest parts of Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina and looking
[1:52:24] Speaker 13: in the eye, say I passed this for y'all because
[1:52:27] Speaker 13: y'all are the sickest people in the state.
[1:52:30] Speaker 7: But they don't want to do that.
[1:52:32] Speaker 13: And what you have here, you have the richest cabinet
[1:52:36] Speaker 13: in American history led by this thug in chief, and
[1:52:41] Speaker 13: Democrats should be sitting here saying, yeah, you want to
[1:52:44] Speaker 13: know why your farmers while y'all followed for bankruptcy because
[1:52:49] Speaker 13: that fool said here again, issue the tears, and while
[1:52:53] Speaker 13: he's issuing the tears. He made off of two billion
[1:52:55] Speaker 13: dollars in crypto money, and y'all ain't making none.
[1:52:58] Speaker 7: I will be sitting here all these people.
[1:53:01] Speaker 13: So I just saw some machinist lost thirty four thousand dollars,
[1:53:06] Speaker 13: and this fool is sitting here.
[1:53:09] Speaker 7: Blaming Democrats because he lost. And now that's your boy,
[1:53:13] Speaker 7: it is not.
[1:53:13] Speaker 13: The Atlantic has a story where it is well known
[1:53:17] Speaker 13: that you can buy a parton for at least two
[1:53:19] Speaker 13: million dollars and you good right.
[1:53:23] Speaker 20: And they need to be contracted. And let me be clear,
[1:53:26] Speaker 20: they can talk about that corruption, and they should, but
[1:53:28] Speaker 20: they need to be saying to these white voters specifically
[1:53:33] Speaker 20: that while he is making off with all this money,
[1:53:35] Speaker 20: please pay attention to what he's telling y'all, which is
[1:53:39] Speaker 20: that the reason you're in pain is because of black
[1:53:41] Speaker 20: folk taking your money because of some allion fraud, not
[1:53:45] Speaker 20: his fraud, not rich white man fraud, but somemalion fraud.
[1:53:49] Speaker 20: He's playing hide the ball, he's playing three card monty.
[1:53:51] Speaker 20: He's playing you know, he's doing some some some David
[1:53:54] Speaker 20: Copperfield nonsense. Right, He's playing a magician's trick. So he's
[1:53:59] Speaker 20: it's it's it's fraud, all right, But it's rich white
[1:54:02] Speaker 20: dudes like him, and and and meanwhile he's telling you
[1:54:05] Speaker 20: it's black folk. He's telling you it's brown folk, right,
[1:54:08] Speaker 20: so that you'll be mad at them. So you've got
[1:54:11] Speaker 20: to kill two birds with one stone. Yeah, you can
[1:54:13] Speaker 20: talk about corruption and and and the oligarchy and all
[1:54:16] Speaker 20: the stuff Bernie likes to talk about and all and
[1:54:18] Speaker 20: and and those folks like to talk about. But you've
[1:54:20] Speaker 20: got to also make it clear to these folks that
[1:54:23] Speaker 20: the anti blackness and the anti brown bigotry is is
[1:54:27] Speaker 20: the is the weapon that is being used to trick them.
[1:54:30] Speaker 20: You cannot run from that. And what bothers me about
[1:54:32] Speaker 20: the Democratic Party, and what bothers me about certain folks
[1:54:36] Speaker 20: on the left of the Democratic Party is they don't
[1:54:38] Speaker 20: mind talking about the rich folks stuff. They don't mind
[1:54:41] Speaker 20: bashing rich folk as rich folk. They'll talk about class
[1:54:43] Speaker 20: all day long. They'll talk about the oligarchy. They'll Bernie,
[1:54:46] Speaker 20: You'll get up and say the billionaires and the millionaires
[1:54:49] Speaker 20: and the oligarchy. But he will not talk about the
[1:54:53] Speaker 20: anti blackness. That is the flip side of that, because
[1:54:56] Speaker 20: it's both of those things. It's rich folks stuff, white
[1:55:00] Speaker 20: folks stuff, and you have to talk about both of
[1:55:03] Speaker 20: those things because it's a one two punch and the
[1:55:06] Speaker 20: only way that you're gonna build a coalition to defend
[1:55:08] Speaker 20: multiracial democracy, which is what we have to build in
[1:55:12] Speaker 20: this country for really the first time, because only time
[1:55:15] Speaker 20: we ever really had it was that brief period of
[1:55:17] Speaker 20: Reconstruction and it got overthrown, just like they're trying to
[1:55:20] Speaker 20: overthrow it right now and are effectively doing that. The
[1:55:23] Speaker 20: only way you're gonna build it is to call out
[1:55:25] Speaker 20: the rich folks stuff, for sure, because the overthrow of
[1:55:28] Speaker 20: Reconstruction was also on behalf of the of the planter
[1:55:32] Speaker 20: class that was that oligarchy. But you gotta also call
[1:55:35] Speaker 20: out the white supremacy. And I'm afraid they're afraid to
[1:55:38] Speaker 20: do that. And you can't be afraid to do that,
[1:55:41] Speaker 20: a because it's the honest truth, but also b because strategically,
[1:55:45] Speaker 20: if you don't call it out, you send a message
[1:55:48] Speaker 20: to those black folks and brown folks that you are
[1:55:50] Speaker 20: not really behind them and on their side. And then
[1:55:53] Speaker 20: you get surprised when they set out the election or
[1:55:55] Speaker 20: they don't come out enthusiastically for you, and then you're like,
[1:55:59] Speaker 20: and then you blame them for the fact that you
[1:56:01] Speaker 20: didn't win an election, or you blame them for the
[1:56:03] Speaker 20: fact that you didn't gain as many seats in the
[1:56:06] Speaker 20: midterms as you might otherwise have gained. You've got to
[1:56:09] Speaker 20: ensure that everybody in your base is coming out and
[1:56:14] Speaker 20: that you're bringing over those potential swing voters. And you
[1:56:16] Speaker 20: can't do that if you leave any part of that
[1:56:18] Speaker 20: message on the table, you know, unaddressed.
[1:56:24] Speaker 15: Derek Tim I appreciate your work, and you have written
[1:56:29] Speaker 15: over the years extensively around this whiteness.
[1:56:33] Speaker 10: But I want to drill down in the anti blackness.
[1:56:36] Speaker 15: I'm a state legislatory right here in Georgia, and every
[1:56:40] Speaker 15: time we go into the rural parts of Georgia, we
[1:56:44] Speaker 15: don't have the right message.
[1:56:45] Speaker 10: And I mean, listening to you, I don't have the
[1:56:48] Speaker 10: right message.
[1:56:48] Speaker 15: Because I keep talking about hospital closures, I keep talking
[1:56:52] Speaker 15: about minimum wage. I keep talking about the same thing
[1:56:56] Speaker 15: as a poor white person may want to think about as.
[1:57:00] Speaker 10: A poor black person.
[1:57:02] Speaker 15: I need two or three specific things I could take
[1:57:07] Speaker 15: the rural Georgia around this anti blackness, because if I
[1:57:12] Speaker 15: frame it right, it won't be considered just as racism.
[1:57:17] Speaker 20: Right right, Well, I think you can you got to
[1:57:19] Speaker 20: talk about the rural hospital closures. But I think the
[1:57:22] Speaker 20: big thing, Look, we know from the research on this,
[1:57:25] Speaker 20: that the reason that we have inadequate healthcare safety nets
[1:57:29] Speaker 20: in this country for everybody, including those white folks in
[1:57:32] Speaker 20: those rural areas. And I should point out a lot
[1:57:34] Speaker 20: of black folks in rural areas, because there are plenty
[1:57:36] Speaker 20: of black folks in rural America. We don't act like
[1:57:38] Speaker 20: there are there are plenty of black folks in Appalachia.
[1:57:41] Speaker 20: We act like Appalachia is just a white area. It's
[1:57:43] Speaker 20: not either. But the reason we don't have adequate healthcare
[1:57:46] Speaker 20: for people generally, according to the research, is because of
[1:57:50] Speaker 20: the belief, mistaken belief, but the belief on a part
[1:57:54] Speaker 20: a lot of white Americans that if we had truly
[1:57:56] Speaker 20: universal health care, if we had truly like single payer
[1:58:00] Speaker 20: universal health care, the way that all those European countries
[1:58:02] Speaker 20: that we love to compare ourselves to, if we had that,
[1:58:06] Speaker 20: according to the research, large numbers of white Americans think
[1:58:09] Speaker 20: that black people would take advantage of the program and
[1:58:14] Speaker 20: would somehow cheat on that program the way they do
[1:58:17] Speaker 20: quote unquote on other so called safety net programs. So,
[1:58:20] Speaker 20: in other words, our racial biases against black folks. Sponging
[1:58:24] Speaker 20: off the welfare state is the reason that we don't
[1:58:27] Speaker 20: have a more secure safety net, including health care. What
[1:58:31] Speaker 20: does that mean. It means that white folks in rural areas,
[1:58:33] Speaker 20: who need better healthcare, who need more secure hospitals, who
[1:58:37] Speaker 20: need better programs, who need Medicaid funding, who need more
[1:58:40] Speaker 20: secure healthcare safety nets, generally don't have them. So what
[1:58:43] Speaker 20: those folks need to hear is, Yes, number one, these
[1:58:47] Speaker 20: people don't love you, These people don't care about you.
[1:58:49] Speaker 20: These people are more than willing to sacrifice your healthcare
[1:58:52] Speaker 20: for some billionaire's tax cut or whatever. That's the class argument.
[1:58:55] Speaker 20: But number two, what y'all need to understand is the
[1:58:58] Speaker 20: reason that they can get away with this is because
[1:59:01] Speaker 20: healthcare in this country, just like public education in this country,
[1:59:05] Speaker 20: just like public housing, just like public transportation, anything with
[1:59:08] Speaker 20: the word public in front of it, has become associated
[1:59:12] Speaker 20: with black and brown people. And once it's associated with
[1:59:15] Speaker 20: black and brown people, it becomes vulnerable to budget cutting.
[1:59:18] Speaker 20: And so these white folks end up getting hurt because
[1:59:22] Speaker 20: any kind of public good, any kind of collective good,
[1:59:25] Speaker 20: anything done for the good of the community, ends up
[1:59:28] Speaker 20: being seen as taking from the producers quote unquote the makers,
[1:59:34] Speaker 20: as Mitt Romney once called them, which are seen as
[1:59:36] Speaker 20: white people, and given to others seen as the takers,
[1:59:40] Speaker 20: as Mitt Romney called them, right, which are seen as
[1:59:43] Speaker 20: black and brown folks. So ironically, these folks end up
[1:59:46] Speaker 20: getting hurt as the collateral damage of racial bias, the
[1:59:50] Speaker 20: assumption that those people will cheat the program, so we
[1:59:53] Speaker 20: can't have a lot of public health spending.
[1:59:55] Speaker 7: Right.
[1:59:56] Speaker 20: So that's a way to connect the issue of race
[1:59:58] Speaker 20: to the issue of socioeconomics. It's not that we don't
[2:00:01] Speaker 20: talk about socioeconomics, we just have to be connecting those issues.
[2:00:05] Speaker 20: And the problem is rural people end up getting forgotten
[2:00:08] Speaker 20: about in the healthcare debate. Why because so much of
[2:00:12] Speaker 20: the debate has been about racially scapegoating black and brown
[2:00:15] Speaker 20: people in the cities, right, that we don't even think
[2:00:18] Speaker 20: about the folks in rural areas well. Whose fault is that?
[2:00:21] Speaker 20: That's not black people's fault, that's not brown people's fault.
[2:00:24] Speaker 20: That's the politicians who have spent so much time trying
[2:00:27] Speaker 20: to talk about Somalian fraud, trying to talk about these
[2:00:32] Speaker 20: medicaid fraud in the cities, black people taking advantage of
[2:00:35] Speaker 20: the programs that rural people and their needs just aren't
[2:00:39] Speaker 20: even discussed. But that's because politicians are the ones who
[2:00:42] Speaker 20: are scapegoating people in urban areas for all the problems
[2:00:46] Speaker 20: of healthcare, for the problems of safety nets, for the
[2:00:49] Speaker 20: problems of any type of you know, sort of attempt
[2:00:53] Speaker 20: at public spiritedness, at any kind of safety net or
[2:00:56] Speaker 20: so called welfare program. So I think we go into
[2:00:59] Speaker 20: those areas, but we try to make that connection between
[2:01:02] Speaker 20: the pain that is being felt in a rural community.
[2:01:05] Speaker 20: And this is something that Reverend Jackson used to do.
[2:01:08] Speaker 20: You know, it's funny when Reverend Jackson died and we
[2:01:11] Speaker 20: had all these retrospectives, you know, it was almost like
[2:01:14] Speaker 20: people forgot this is the kind of argument that Reverend
[2:01:17] Speaker 20: Jackson was making in eighty four and in eighty eight,
[2:01:19] Speaker 20: and everybody in retrospect you have people say, you know,
[2:01:22] Speaker 20: Reverend Jackson was such a race man. All he ever
[2:01:24] Speaker 20: talked about was race, and that wasn't true. I remember
[2:01:27] Speaker 20: those campaigns in eighty four and eighty eight, and he
[2:01:29] Speaker 20: would go into those those farming communities right when the
[2:01:33] Speaker 20: farm crisis was hitting in eighty five and eighty four
[2:01:36] Speaker 20: and eighty five eighty six. He would go into those
[2:01:38] Speaker 20: communities and this is the argument he would make. He
[2:01:41] Speaker 20: would make these arguments about corporate farms buying up family farms,
[2:01:44] Speaker 20: and he would link the pain that those mostly white
[2:01:47] Speaker 20: farmers were feeling with the pain that black farmers whose
[2:01:50] Speaker 20: land had been stolen from them, the pain they were feeling.
[2:01:53] Speaker 20: He would link it up with labor union fights in
[2:01:55] Speaker 20: urban areas. He was one of the few people doing that,
[2:01:59] Speaker 20: and yet everybody but he thought that all he ever
[2:02:01] Speaker 20: talked about was black folks. And that was so ironic
[2:02:04] Speaker 20: because that was not at all what his politic was.
[2:02:07] Speaker 20: But that just goes to show you how the media
[2:02:09] Speaker 20: spends it. The media acts like all black folks ever
[2:02:12] Speaker 20: talk about as black folks, when black folks actually have
[2:02:15] Speaker 20: the most ecumenical politic of all talking about everybody's needs.
[2:02:20] Speaker 20: And it's white politicians who ignore black folks needs.
[2:02:25] Speaker 7: Yeah, Larry and Greg and I got I got literally.
[2:02:30] Speaker 20: I need to say, hide it by what happened to
[2:02:37] Speaker 20: be seen in a minute.
[2:02:40] Speaker 13: I got to speak of the House of Pennsylvania on
[2:02:42] Speaker 13: so real quick Larry, then Greg go.
[2:02:47] Speaker 12: So thanks for your work. I want to just comment
[2:02:50] Speaker 12: on the relationship between we talked about anti blackness and
[2:02:53] Speaker 12: it iss sent into authoritarianism for the United States. So
[2:02:56] Speaker 12: I'll just that's the quick question I asked.
[2:02:59] Speaker 20: Yeah, Yeah, I mean, I think anti blackness is central
[2:03:04] Speaker 20: to authoritarianism, and it's the thing that constantly falls out
[2:03:07] Speaker 20: of the picture when we talk about it. You know,
[2:03:09] Speaker 20: everybody talks about the descent into authoritarianism or fascism that
[2:03:12] Speaker 20: we're seeing right now. But what we forget is that
[2:03:16] Speaker 20: that descent, just like with the overthrow of reconstruction, that
[2:03:20] Speaker 20: race and anti blackness was central to it then it
[2:03:23] Speaker 20: has been central to it now that democracy and its opposite,
[2:03:27] Speaker 20: authoritarianism in this country has never existed separate and apart
[2:03:31] Speaker 20: from the issue of race and anti blackness. It has
[2:03:34] Speaker 20: always been the canary in the coal mine. It has
[2:03:36] Speaker 20: always been the cutting edge of that descent into authoritarianism.
[2:03:40] Speaker 20: It has always been the first thing that happens, the
[2:03:43] Speaker 20: first community that gets sacrificed. If you look at history,
[2:03:46] Speaker 20: every time you see the word compromise in front of
[2:03:49] Speaker 20: a policy, right whether we're talking about the Compromise of
[2:03:51] Speaker 20: eighteen seventy seven, whether we're talking about the Missouri Compromise,
[2:03:54] Speaker 20: whether we're talking about. Now, you just look at any
[2:03:56] Speaker 20: kind of thing that says compromise, whose interests usually getting
[2:04:00] Speaker 20: compromised at the end of that in the end of
[2:04:03] Speaker 20: that sentence, at the end of that policy, it's usually
[2:04:05] Speaker 20: black folks who are getting compromised. Right, Their interests, their
[2:04:08] Speaker 20: needs are being the ones that are going to the
[2:04:10] Speaker 20: three fifths compromise, Right, whose interests are getting compromised. So
[2:04:14] Speaker 20: every time that we move away from democracy, typically traditionally
[2:04:19] Speaker 20: the interests that are being compromised are going to be
[2:04:23] Speaker 20: those of black people. And so right now, when we
[2:04:26] Speaker 20: talk about the movement away from democracy, we see what
[2:04:29] Speaker 20: the Supreme Court has just done in the Calais decision.
[2:04:32] Speaker 20: We see what the Supreme Court is done with the
[2:04:34] Speaker 20: revocation of temporary protected status. Look at who that is
[2:04:37] Speaker 20: disproportionately affecting. Look at the rhetoric that is being used
[2:04:40] Speaker 20: in that decision. You see over and over and over
[2:04:43] Speaker 20: again in court decisions and legislative actions and executive orders
[2:04:47] Speaker 20: from the President that as we move into a more
[2:04:50] Speaker 20: autocratic administration at autocratic future, that almost every single one
[2:04:55] Speaker 20: of those decisions is rooted in anti black animals. And
[2:04:59] Speaker 20: yetme court does nothing about it. In fact, you have
[2:05:01] Speaker 20: Samuel Alito saying, even with the rhetoric aim that Haitians
[2:05:06] Speaker 20: that is clearly racist. You have a Samuel Alito saying, well,
[2:05:09] Speaker 20: that's not obviously racist, it's just heated rhetoric. So what
[2:05:12] Speaker 20: the Supreme Court is now said is that it's racist
[2:05:15] Speaker 20: to do anything to increase the number of black students
[2:05:18] Speaker 20: in colleges and universities. It's racist to increase black political
[2:05:24] Speaker 20: power by refusing to dilute their vote. But it's not
[2:05:27] Speaker 20: racist to call Haiti a shithole nation and to say
[2:05:31] Speaker 20: that Haitians are eating animals and that they are dirty
[2:05:35] Speaker 20: and poisoning the blood of the country. That's the kind
[2:05:38] Speaker 20: of rhetoric that is now normalized by the Supreme Court,
[2:05:41] Speaker 20: and that is the kind of descent into authoritarianism that
[2:05:44] Speaker 20: we're seeing right now. There's a reason that the attacks
[2:05:46] Speaker 20: on voting after twenty twenty, right where were the places
[2:05:49] Speaker 20: they were investigating Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit. Why we know, we
[2:05:55] Speaker 20: know why they were focusing on those communities. We know
[2:05:57] Speaker 20: why they were going after those areas. Know why all
[2:06:00] Speaker 20: the attempts to crack down on quote unquote voter fraud
[2:06:03] Speaker 20: or focusing on black communities. We understand that, right, because
[2:06:07] Speaker 20: those are the areas that they are essentially saying, these
[2:06:10] Speaker 20: are the people we don't want voting, These are the
[2:06:12] Speaker 20: people that are not legitimate voters. These are you know,
[2:06:15] Speaker 20: that's there's a reason that North Carolina when they set
[2:06:17] Speaker 20: out to introduce voter i D initially according to the courts,
[2:06:22] Speaker 20: you know, they they targeted black voters according to the
[2:06:25] Speaker 20: opinion of the court, with laser like precision, literally asking
[2:06:29] Speaker 20: for information on what kinds of voter i D did
[2:06:32] Speaker 20: black people have less than other forms of ID because
[2:06:36] Speaker 20: that was the kind of idea they wanted to require.
[2:06:38] Speaker 20: The kind of idea that black people didn't have is
[2:06:41] Speaker 20: the one they were going to they were going to require. Right,
[2:06:43] Speaker 20: So you can see the kind of deliberate way in
[2:06:47] Speaker 20: which anti blackness is at the core of this.
[2:06:51] Speaker 7: Greg great card.
[2:06:53] Speaker 11: Thank you, Roland. It's always good to see you. Tim Man,
[2:06:56] Speaker 11: we rep in Nashville. But I'm going to ask you,
[2:06:59] Speaker 11: very sweetly the quick question as it relates to the country.
[2:07:04] Speaker 11: You know, I don't think this is a nation. It's
[2:07:06] Speaker 11: a country with a lot of different nations in it.
[2:07:08] Speaker 11: And Gary Chambers would say organize the people who are unorganized,
[2:07:12] Speaker 11: and maybe pay less attention to try to recruit some
[2:07:14] Speaker 11: of these folks who have clearly seen themselves as outside
[2:07:17] Speaker 11: of the circle. I want to My question to you
[2:07:19] Speaker 11: is about style, message and messenger, how it works, whether
[2:07:22] Speaker 11: it be a zoramoan Donnie or we see malt heroes
[2:07:25] Speaker 11: in Colorado, Chris Radam Pennsylvania, and so forth. Thinking about
[2:07:28] Speaker 11: John Osoff in Georgia, he seems to have struck the
[2:07:31] Speaker 11: right cord if you saw him going after Jerry Kushner
[2:07:34] Speaker 11: a couple of days ago. Could you any thoughts on
[2:07:36] Speaker 11: how perhaps the messenger meets with the substance and maybe
[2:07:41] Speaker 11: distinguish between somebody like John Orosoft in Georgia and maybe
[2:07:47] Speaker 11: James Tallerico in Texas in terms of trying to perfect
[2:07:50] Speaker 11: a message that will bring up people together who haven't
[2:07:52] Speaker 11: been organized to do that work. And finally, I would
[2:07:55] Speaker 11: say the revolt is going to come from the provinces.
[2:07:57] Speaker 11: I think we too often take a bird's eye view
[2:07:59] Speaker 11: of the United States, as if all these people think alike.
[2:08:02] Speaker 11: A lot of white people who don't think like those
[2:08:04] Speaker 11: white folks, and a lot of black people who are
[2:08:05] Speaker 11: just un organized and some who think like Trump thinks
[2:08:08] Speaker 11: he's an avatar. Is what does style fit in this?
[2:08:12] Speaker 20: Yeah, No, I think you're absolutely I think about.
[2:08:14] Speaker 13: Nine Tim, Tim one second, Tim, I got about ninety
[2:08:17] Speaker 13: seconds because I've got to get it to speak on Pennsylvania.
[2:08:20] Speaker 20: Go gotcha. No, I think you're right. I think it
[2:08:22] Speaker 20: does matter, and I think Asof and tall Rico have
[2:08:25] Speaker 20: a style that certainly appeals to a lot of folks
[2:08:27] Speaker 20: that need to be brought in to the discussion. I
[2:08:30] Speaker 20: think style is going to matter differently in different places,
[2:08:33] Speaker 20: and I think we have to be open to the
[2:08:34] Speaker 20: fact that in certain communities one style is going to work.
[2:08:37] Speaker 20: In other communities, other styles are going to work. I
[2:08:39] Speaker 20: don't think we can dictate that from above. I think
[2:08:41] Speaker 20: there's some places are going to respond to a tall
[2:08:43] Speaker 20: Rico and an ass off. Other place is going to
[2:08:45] Speaker 20: respond to someone maybe a bit different. But I think
[2:08:48] Speaker 20: the key is we have to be on message with
[2:08:50] Speaker 20: a clear articulated argument that we're not going to stand
[2:08:54] Speaker 20: for this kind of divide and conquer, this kind of
[2:08:56] Speaker 20: anti blackness, pitting people against one another for the benefit
[2:09:00] Speaker 20: of a handful of elites who are using racism in
[2:09:04] Speaker 20: the same way that they have been using racism and
[2:09:06] Speaker 20: anti blackness for hundreds of years, that it just can't stand.
[2:09:09] Speaker 20: That message has to be delivered regardless of the start.
[2:09:15] Speaker 13: Well, all, I'm saying to all these poor white maga fhoes,
[2:09:19] Speaker 13: y'all got played. We tried to tell you, and trust me, y'all,
[2:09:23] Speaker 13: life ain't gonna be better with him being there.
[2:09:25] Speaker 7: Tim wise, I appreciate it.
[2:09:26] Speaker 20: Thanks a lot, Thank you so much. Good to see y'all, y'all, this.
[2:09:31] Speaker 7: Is a pretty one.
[2:09:32] Speaker 13: A white Republican in Pennsylvania who arrived on the house
[2:09:36] Speaker 13: floor where an American flag themed soup jacket says he
[2:09:40] Speaker 13: was told to either take it off or leave the floor.
[2:09:44] Speaker 13: Eric Devonzo claims that the speaker of the House, Joanna McClinton,
[2:09:48] Speaker 13: who was African American, called his jacket a costume and
[2:09:51] Speaker 13: demanded that he either take it off or leaves.
[2:09:53] Speaker 7: Listen to him.
[2:09:55] Speaker 9: This is jacket that my wife had bought me, you know,
[2:09:59] Speaker 9: back home, and to do. This is America's two fifty.
[2:10:01] Speaker 9: We went to a couple two fifty events. We love
[2:10:04] Speaker 9: our country, we love America. So I'm happy to put
[2:10:06] Speaker 9: this on.
[2:10:07] Speaker 7: I'm proud to wear it.
[2:10:07] Speaker 8: This.
[2:10:08] Speaker 13: That is a very colorful jacket that the representative is
[2:10:10] Speaker 13: wearing today.
[2:10:11] Speaker 10: Very patriotic. I see my friend.
[2:10:13] Speaker 9: Everybody loved to come up. People gave me hugs, shaking
[2:10:15] Speaker 9: my hands. Hey, this is great. I walked in on
[2:10:18] Speaker 9: a floor like I always do, shaking everybody's hands. I
[2:10:20] Speaker 9: make my rounds. Speaker mcclinton's asking you to leave the floor,
[2:10:24] Speaker 9: and I'm like, what for? And he said, well, she
[2:10:26] Speaker 9: doesn't like your outfit. She says it's a costume. I'm
[2:10:29] Speaker 9: like what. He goes, Yeah, it's something you wouldn't wear
[2:10:31] Speaker 9: every day. And I'm like, listen, I would wear this
[2:10:34] Speaker 9: back home, and I'm going to wear it again. Two
[2:10:36] Speaker 9: to three minutes later, one of the security guards come
[2:10:38] Speaker 9: up tap me on the shoulder and he said, hey,
[2:10:40] Speaker 9: you know the speaker's going to ask you to leave
[2:10:41] Speaker 9: or take your jacket off. America's two fifty fourth of
[2:10:44] Speaker 9: July is four days away. It's a holiday weekend coming up.
[2:10:48] Speaker 9: Why not wear it? I introduced Made in America Amendments.
[2:10:50] Speaker 9: I'm the chairman of the America First Caucus. I just
[2:10:53] Speaker 9: introduced a bill last week. Did we give everybody in PA,
[2:10:56] Speaker 9: every household two hundred and fifty dollars to celebrate America.
[2:10:59] Speaker 9: This was I'm a costume. This is something that I
[2:11:01] Speaker 9: truly believe in. I'm a patriot. Instead of taking my
[2:11:04] Speaker 9: jacket off, I'll see you later. We got an affordability crisis.
[2:11:09] Speaker 9: People can't afford stuff. Instead of coming out here and
[2:11:11] Speaker 9: doing the people's work.
[2:11:13] Speaker 10: No, what are we focused on.
[2:11:14] Speaker 9: We're focused on both issues like this jacket right, no,
[2:11:18] Speaker 9: no reason whatsoever, do the job for the people.
[2:11:23] Speaker 7: Well, Speaker McClinton, jowins us right now. I'm glad to
[2:11:27] Speaker 7: have you here, Old Martin, unfiltered. He's really in his feelings.
[2:11:32] Speaker 21: What happened here, He's in his feelings, and it's good
[2:11:37] Speaker 21: to be here. Happy birthday to the great nation we
[2:11:40] Speaker 21: call home. Ruland it is not uncommon for my colleagues
[2:11:45] Speaker 21: on both sides of the aisle, from time to time,
[2:11:48] Speaker 21: depending on what's happening in the calendar, to kind of
[2:11:50] Speaker 21: push the envelope and say, hey, I'm going to be funny.
[2:11:53] Speaker 14: I'm going to wear this on the floor of the house.
[2:11:55] Speaker 10: Now here's the thing.
[2:11:57] Speaker 21: I am the elective Speaker of the House, but I
[2:12:00] Speaker 21: am not in charge of what folks are doing in
[2:12:01] Speaker 21: their office, the hallways, you know, in the front steps
[2:12:06] Speaker 21: of the Capitol, certainly not in their districts. But when
[2:12:09] Speaker 21: we are on the floor of the House, just like
[2:12:11] Speaker 21: every other great job in this great nation, there is
[2:12:15] Speaker 21: a dress code rolling. And my colleague knows that that
[2:12:18] Speaker 21: was not a part of the dress code. In fact,
[2:12:22] Speaker 21: it's not in the regular men's suit sections in any
[2:12:25] Speaker 21: store that sells work clothes. And he wants to celebrate.
[2:12:28] Speaker 21: We all want to celebrate. I'm gonna be out in
[2:12:30] Speaker 21: Philly on Saturday. The country was born here. What you're
[2:12:33] Speaker 21: talking about America? First, I'm all about it. Believe in
[2:12:36] Speaker 21: this country so much I signed up to run for office.
[2:12:39] Speaker 21: Now listen, you know, Roland, I'm not just the house speaker.
[2:12:42] Speaker 21: I'm an attorney. I'm a preacher, and I hold the
[2:12:46] Speaker 21: line for integrity and then following the rules. And in fact,
[2:12:50] Speaker 21: it was many speakers before me that decided in Harrisburg
[2:12:54] Speaker 21: that our State House floor is not for jokes, games,
[2:12:58] Speaker 21: laughing moments, running out to the press. If you ask me, ruling,
[2:13:02] Speaker 21: this seems like it was all planned, all strategic, and
[2:13:06] Speaker 21: just another distraction because what we should have been doing
[2:13:09] Speaker 21: on July the first is working on the state budget.
[2:13:12] Speaker 21: But that gentleman's state senator who's in president of our
[2:13:15] Speaker 21: state Senate dismissed the state Senate. The resenate Republicans left early,
[2:13:20] Speaker 21: and we have no state budget. So we are in
[2:13:22] Speaker 21: a stalemate in Harrisburg yet again. But somehow his jacket
[2:13:26] Speaker 21: that he has worn to appropriate events in his community,
[2:13:30] Speaker 21: knowing that it wasn't supposed to be on the House
[2:13:32] Speaker 21: floor because members on my side of the aisle in October,
[2:13:35] Speaker 21: you know, they show up with mini mouse hats and
[2:13:37] Speaker 21: they have to be told also, this is not a game.
[2:13:41] Speaker 21: You're on the floor to change the law. You are here,
[2:13:43] Speaker 21: you're going to be dressed appropriately. But we see every
[2:13:46] Speaker 21: now and again there's another maga distraction where folks are
[2:13:50] Speaker 21: not complying, and we just listen to everybody on your
[2:13:54] Speaker 21: broadcast talking about anti racism. I won't go too far
[2:13:57] Speaker 21: and want to exactly know why this was all set
[2:14:00] Speaker 21: up and how you just conveniently run into a camera
[2:14:03] Speaker 21: crew right outside of the floor of the house where
[2:14:06] Speaker 21: that clip was taped.
[2:14:07] Speaker 19: But you tell me what you think.
[2:14:10] Speaker 7: So perfect example.
[2:14:12] Speaker 13: So let's say the Eagles or the Steelers win the
[2:14:15] Speaker 13: Super Bowl and a member decides to wear a jersey
[2:14:19] Speaker 13: onto the floor, can they.
[2:14:22] Speaker 14: No, they cannot.
[2:14:23] Speaker 21: And a member from Philadelphia who shares the same Democratic
[2:14:27] Speaker 21: Party as me, did that last year when we had
[2:14:30] Speaker 21: our trophies on the floor of the House, and that
[2:14:33] Speaker 21: member was told immediately by the same sergeant at arms,
[2:14:37] Speaker 21: you must take that jersey off.
[2:14:38] Speaker 11: And this member in front of you did not have
[2:14:40] Speaker 11: one red that day, did not have one red, white
[2:14:43] Speaker 11: and blue.
[2:14:44] Speaker 21: I had on green, but it's a woman's suits. It
[2:14:47] Speaker 21: did not say Eagles on it, It did not have
[2:14:50] Speaker 21: Jayalen Hirt's face on it. And we would have liked
[2:14:52] Speaker 21: to done all those things. But guess what, I set
[2:14:55] Speaker 21: the example by following the rules. And I'm up there
[2:14:58] Speaker 21: on the microphone, go birds. I didn't show up. I
[2:15:01] Speaker 21: have an Eagles jersey that says speaker on the back
[2:15:03] Speaker 21: of it. I didn't wear it to the Florida House,
[2:15:06] Speaker 21: but I had it on in my office.
[2:15:11] Speaker 7: And I thought, these are the folks who love law
[2:15:14] Speaker 7: and order and paul the rules.
[2:15:18] Speaker 21: Well, that's what it's supposed to be. But you know,
[2:15:20] Speaker 21: from the White House down to the State House, folks
[2:15:23] Speaker 21: are just creating distractions, breaking the rules, creating headlines I
[2:15:27] Speaker 21: don't want to call it fake news, but the truth
[2:15:30] Speaker 21: of the matter is, we have real work we should
[2:15:32] Speaker 21: be focused on. We have real policy we should be handling.
[2:15:35] Speaker 21: We need to do the state's budget. His state senator
[2:15:38] Speaker 21: from Westmoreland County, where he lives, has not come back
[2:15:42] Speaker 21: to the Senate. She has not called them back in
[2:15:44] Speaker 21: to vote. We do not have any report for the
[2:15:46] Speaker 21: taxpayers that have sent us over fifty billion dollars that
[2:15:49] Speaker 21: we will soon appropriate on how that money will be spent.
[2:15:52] Speaker 21: But once again, this was a manufactured distraction, and it
[2:15:56] Speaker 21: is unfortunate that anyone would question not only Mayan tegrity,
[2:16:00] Speaker 21: but my loyalty to this nation.
[2:16:05] Speaker 7: Well, I am going to ask you this here.
[2:16:08] Speaker 13: It is another sports related because I'm about to discuss
[2:16:12] Speaker 13: it next with my panel here. And so obviously you
[2:16:15] Speaker 13: are elated that a certain Jayalen Brown is now playing
[2:16:21] Speaker 13: for Philadelphia.
[2:16:25] Speaker 11: Yes, sir, yes, sir.
[2:16:27] Speaker 21: My beloved Sixers got as far as we could, but
[2:16:30] Speaker 21: New York showed us up and they went on to win.
[2:16:32] Speaker 21: Shout out to the New York Knicks Nixon five. They
[2:16:35] Speaker 21: took care of business, but we needed some added help.
[2:16:38] Speaker 21: And I'm so excited he's coming to Philly.
[2:16:43] Speaker 13: All right, then, well we appreciate you joining us, enjoy the.
[2:16:49] Speaker 7: Holidays, and be well thanks a lot you too.
[2:16:56] Speaker 13: All right then, y'all bodies folks love when they when
[2:17:00] Speaker 13: they love flag stuff. All right, real quick without panel here,
[2:17:04] Speaker 13: y'all heard me mention. Jaylen Brown's been traded from the
[2:17:06] Speaker 13: Boss and Celtics to the Philadelphia seventy six ers. The
[2:17:08] Speaker 13: traders be finalized on Monday, but he's already announced when
[2:17:12] Speaker 13: the statement he's leading, but his what's real interesting. I
[2:17:15] Speaker 13: can't wait to get the pane weighted on this here.
[2:17:18] Speaker 13: Colin Coward said this here quote. I had two NBA sources,
[2:17:23] Speaker 13: two people in the league, one in executive, one a scout,
[2:17:26] Speaker 13: say that Jalen Brown has it's a disease. He suddenly
[2:17:31] Speaker 13: thinks he's the smartest guy in every room he's in.
[2:17:34] Speaker 13: You make a lot of money. Suddenly you're absolutely sure.
[2:17:37] Speaker 13: You don't want to listen to your bosses, you don't
[2:17:39] Speaker 13: want to listen to consultants, you don't want to listen
[2:17:41] Speaker 13: to teammates.
[2:17:41] Speaker 7: See Larry. They really hate athletes who.
[2:17:47] Speaker 13: Are brainy acts, and Jalen Brown that is an absolute
[2:17:52] Speaker 13: smart brother. They hated the fact that he never signed
[2:17:55] Speaker 13: an agent negotiated his own deals. They hate this something
[2:17:59] Speaker 13: he's doing, and so that's what they really can't stand.
[2:18:02] Speaker 13: He really can't stand a truly free black man.
[2:18:07] Speaker 12: Yeah, you know Roland. So let's get this out front.
[2:18:10] Speaker 12: I'm from Philly, so I'm super excited about this trade.
[2:18:13] Speaker 7: But that's a side yeah, because your team is trash,
[2:18:17] Speaker 7: because your team you need the help, is bad.
[2:18:20] Speaker 10: We we are, we are, We're okay.
[2:18:22] Speaker 20: Now we're good.
[2:18:22] Speaker 10: Now we're good.
[2:18:23] Speaker 11: Don't worry about it.
[2:18:24] Speaker 12: Let's not talk about last season. Let's talk about what
[2:18:25] Speaker 12: we're gonna do this season with Jaylen Brown. All right,
[2:18:28] Speaker 12: So I heard I saw the countent and watched it
[2:18:30] Speaker 12: from converd. This is not the first time he's made
[2:18:33] Speaker 12: ridiculous comments. He's talking about other black players in philadelf
[2:18:35] Speaker 12: like Jaalen Hurts super Bowl winning MVP.
[2:18:38] Speaker 11: So we were talking.
[2:18:39] Speaker 12: We've been talking about anti blackness here, and this is
[2:18:41] Speaker 12: also anti intellectualism.
[2:18:43] Speaker 10: We know as black men who.
[2:18:45] Speaker 12: Are successful, that black men who stand up for themselves,
[2:18:49] Speaker 12: who you know, who can talk about social, political, economic issues,
[2:18:53] Speaker 12: and it makes it makes certain populations uncomfortable. When you
[2:18:57] Speaker 12: add that to the fact that he went to cal
[2:18:58] Speaker 12: Berkeley and also is a multi millionaire in an NBA
[2:19:04] Speaker 12: Finals MVP, who is clearly understands his status and the
[2:19:08] Speaker 12: power he has.
[2:19:09] Speaker 10: To talk about issues he was talked about.
[2:19:10] Speaker 12: Who was talking about couple months ago about black crediting
[2:19:12] Speaker 12: a black wall Street in Boston. This is another example
[2:19:16] Speaker 12: of the challenges that black men who are successful when
[2:19:19] Speaker 12: you have ownership media, mainstream media and other pundits who
[2:19:25] Speaker 12: do not have the same lived experience as you. So
[2:19:28] Speaker 12: when you don't reinforce their stereotype, it makes them feel
[2:19:32] Speaker 12: uncomfortable and they don't have the ability to unpack to
[2:19:34] Speaker 12: figure out why they feel uncomfortable and why they want
[2:19:37] Speaker 12: to use words like you think you're too smart at
[2:19:39] Speaker 12: et cetera. So once again, this is the form of
[2:19:41] Speaker 12: an anti black black anti blackness, but also part of
[2:19:45] Speaker 12: the trend of anti intellectualism that we see in this country.
[2:19:48] Speaker 12: And it's directed at Jalen Brown, Who's going to bring
[2:19:51] Speaker 12: a championship to my.
[2:19:52] Speaker 10: City next year?
[2:19:55] Speaker 7: Yell in the one old championship. But Bob Blinders is here, Derek.
[2:20:02] Speaker 13: These white NBIA executives again, they like him dumb, They
[2:20:07] Speaker 13: don't like when they talk back.
[2:20:11] Speaker 10: Not only they don't like him when they talk back,
[2:20:14] Speaker 10: but they'll try.
[2:20:15] Speaker 15: To demonize him. I mean, let's go back to not
[2:20:19] Speaker 15: just Jalen, but let's go remember when our brother that
[2:20:28] Speaker 15: just said that I'm going to leave what he was
[2:20:31] Speaker 15: playing for Cleveland, Akron Lebron James, Lebron.
[2:20:37] Speaker 10: James said I'm leaving, and he went to Miami.
[2:20:41] Speaker 15: They burned the man's jersey, Roland, they called him a
[2:20:45] Speaker 15: non key, they called him everything but the child of God.
[2:20:48] Speaker 15: But when they brought Lebron James back, see they had
[2:20:53] Speaker 15: to eat crow and just the same thing like Lamar
[2:20:57] Speaker 15: Jackson that played for the Race that place for the Ravens.
[2:21:01] Speaker 10: They do not like it when we can make our
[2:21:03] Speaker 10: own decisions. They do not like it when we are.
[2:21:06] Speaker 15: Saying we don't care what you're going to do for
[2:21:09] Speaker 15: other players. But when we're at this negotiating table Rowland,
[2:21:12] Speaker 15: we're gonna make the best decision for us. Because they
[2:21:16] Speaker 15: don't know how long they're gonna play, they don't know
[2:21:20] Speaker 15: what's gonna happen tomorrow, and so they realize that when
[2:21:24] Speaker 15: we start to make our own decision, they hate it.
[2:21:27] Speaker 15: And that's the reason why they're gonna they're gonna change
[2:21:29] Speaker 15: this NIL deal too, because these young people who are
[2:21:33] Speaker 15: leaving high school and they realize that they have the
[2:21:37] Speaker 15: strength in the NIL deals, You're going to see a
[2:21:39] Speaker 15: change in that as well, because them young people are
[2:21:42] Speaker 15: voicing where they want to go, how they want this
[2:21:44] Speaker 15: deal to be structured.
[2:21:45] Speaker 10: So it's just the same thing, and until they change it.
[2:21:50] Speaker 15: We're going to have strong Black men and young ladies
[2:21:54] Speaker 15: making decisions that's going to help them and their families
[2:21:57] Speaker 15: and not the organization.
[2:22:01] Speaker 13: I'm confused, Greg, If a brother averages twenty eight point
[2:22:07] Speaker 13: seven points, six point nine rebounds, and five point one
[2:22:11] Speaker 13: assists in seventy one regular season games, sounds to me
[2:22:15] Speaker 13: like he's smart as hell this but see.
[2:22:19] Speaker 7: What drives them? And I've seen this, I'm.
[2:22:21] Speaker 13: Telling you, I saw this at Texas A and M
[2:22:23] Speaker 13: I've seen this, seen these other places where here's a
[2:22:27] Speaker 13: brother who is saying, listen, basketball ain't ain't my only
[2:22:31] Speaker 13: thing in the world. And Jalen Brown is truly doing
[2:22:34] Speaker 13: some revolutionary things off the court, and I'm sure that
[2:22:39] Speaker 13: just drives those execs crazy when he actually.
[2:22:45] Speaker 7: Is the smartest person in the room.
[2:22:48] Speaker 11: Oh, no question, no question. Shout out to Tom Brady
[2:22:51] Speaker 11: presidential candidate at some point coming forward, racist says, city
[2:22:54] Speaker 11: of Boston, your world view is dying.
[2:22:57] Speaker 7: Tom.
[2:22:58] Speaker 11: You can leave your macco hats in your locker room
[2:23:00] Speaker 11: and all that he needed to get out of Boston.
[2:23:02] Speaker 11: I'm sure Bill Russell would agree. And yeah, Larry, I
[2:23:06] Speaker 11: don't know, man. I know Rich Paul is his agent,
[2:23:08] Speaker 11: and Tyrone Maxi is with Rich Paul as well. I'm
[2:23:11] Speaker 11: trying to think there was another guy who works at
[2:23:14] Speaker 11: Rich Palm.
[2:23:15] Speaker 8: Oh.
[2:23:15] Speaker 11: Yeah, if Lebron James up in Philly, don't nobody be surprised.
[2:23:18] Speaker 11: But at any rate, the point is this, These rogue
[2:23:20] Speaker 11: negroes who do whatever the hell they want, drive white
[2:23:23] Speaker 11: people crazy. And so as a result of that, I
[2:23:26] Speaker 11: think we're at the moment where there's an inflection change
[2:23:29] Speaker 11: in this country. It's not a nation, y'all. I know
[2:23:31] Speaker 11: you want it to be a nation, but it's not.
[2:23:34] Speaker 11: And what I'm saying is that a Jalen Brown has
[2:23:37] Speaker 11: to be broken or controlled, but they can't break him.
[2:23:39] Speaker 11: They can't control him. Larry, you remember this when Ai,
[2:23:42] Speaker 11: when Irison was she I'm adopted Philadelphia twenty years when
[2:23:46] Speaker 11: AI would show up at press conferences would throw back
[2:23:48] Speaker 11: jerseys and the white boys. The sports writers would be
[2:23:50] Speaker 11: pissed out because he would show up at a postgame
[2:23:53] Speaker 11: conference with a Bill Russell jersey on, not realizing he's
[2:23:56] Speaker 11: paying respect to a black man he should be wearing.
[2:23:58] Speaker 11: Y'all go to hell. If you want me to play here,
[2:24:01] Speaker 11: you're going to take me. Finally, I'll say this, when
[2:24:04] Speaker 11: black people decide to be themselves and you can't control them,
[2:24:08] Speaker 11: and you can't break them, the culture then moves. The
[2:24:11] Speaker 11: politics then moves in their direction.
[2:24:14] Speaker 10: Roland.
[2:24:14] Speaker 11: I wish that speaker McClinton had answered a little differently
[2:24:18] Speaker 11: about some of these things. As far as I'm concerned,
[2:24:20] Speaker 11: Eric Devinzo played her. He had on a shirt and
[2:24:24] Speaker 11: tie and a suit. Yes it was stars of stripes,
[2:24:27] Speaker 11: and had a tie. But you know the rules, as
[2:24:28] Speaker 11: you say, state House, you have to have a shirt,
[2:24:30] Speaker 11: you have to have a tie. If I had asked
[2:24:32] Speaker 11: her a question, I would have asked her about one
[2:24:34] Speaker 11: of the most legendary black people to ever serve in
[2:24:36] Speaker 11: the Pennsylvania State House, and that would be the great
[2:24:38] Speaker 11: David P. Richardson. David Richardson, the same rules apply. Then
[2:24:43] Speaker 11: you know what Dave Richardson would wear from Philly, this
[2:24:46] Speaker 11: man who was arrested and beat up by Frank riz
[2:24:48] Speaker 11: on them when he was in high school, and they forced,
[2:24:50] Speaker 11: ultimately after forty years, African American studies into the Phuffy
[2:24:54] Speaker 11: School district. And I helped write that curriculum. It took
[2:24:56] Speaker 11: us forty years. When Dave Richardson was elected to the
[2:24:59] Speaker 11: Pennsylvania State he showed up in a dashiki with a
[2:25:02] Speaker 11: Malcolm X's medallion around and you wouldn't take it off,
[2:25:05] Speaker 11: and they let him walk the floor. Why because I'm
[2:25:07] Speaker 11: a short like I want to be today. I heard
[2:25:10] Speaker 11: somebody say if Roland Martin or gred Car were elected
[2:25:13] Speaker 11: and showed up in a dashiki, we couldn't take the floor.
[2:25:16] Speaker 11: At some point you have to understand something. People are
[2:25:20] Speaker 11: going to do what they want to do, and if
[2:25:22] Speaker 11: you can't see that, you have to include them in
[2:25:25] Speaker 11: a certain rhythm. They will build a different society and
[2:25:28] Speaker 11: leave you behind. I think Jalen is showing us what
[2:25:32] Speaker 11: it looks like to stand in your truth, in your space.
[2:25:35] Speaker 11: The Boston Celtics took the equivalent of a knife and
[2:25:38] Speaker 11: cut their throats today and whether it be wearing African
[2:25:42] Speaker 11: clothes and I'm never wearing a tie again if I
[2:25:44] Speaker 11: can help it. Or marshaling your talents and taking them
[2:25:48] Speaker 11: somewhere that's going to embrace you with both hands. Like Philadelphia,
[2:25:51] Speaker 11: at some point we're gonna have to make make a stands.
[2:25:53] Speaker 11: So anyway, in the spirit of David P. Richison, I
[2:25:55] Speaker 11: just wish the speaker wouldn't have allowed that white nastas
[2:25:58] Speaker 11: to play her with such a distraction, the kind of
[2:26:01] Speaker 11: minor thing. But yeah, yeah, shut up to Jedda.
[2:26:05] Speaker 7: Do want to get this in in folks?
[2:26:07] Speaker 13: In Orleans Parish grand jury has indicted Louisiana's Attorney general.
[2:26:13] Speaker 7: That's right.
[2:26:13] Speaker 13: The indictment claims that Liz Morrill intimidated New Orleans City officials,
[2:26:19] Speaker 13: including Mayor Helena Marino, threatening to remove them from office
[2:26:23] Speaker 13: under the state's usurper law. The threats were in respond
[2:26:26] Speaker 13: to the city council approval of a new measure to
[2:26:29] Speaker 13: hold the election for the city's new Clerk of Court
[2:26:31] Speaker 13: position created by the legislature.
[2:26:33] Speaker 7: Legislature created the position to block.
[2:26:35] Speaker 13: Calvin Duncan, a black man, from assuming is duly elect
[2:26:38] Speaker 13: the position as clerk or criminal Court. Morell says she
[2:26:41] Speaker 13: had no confirmation of any investigation, and that never received
[2:26:44] Speaker 13: notice from anybody the official charges of the indictment that
[2:26:47] Speaker 13: have not yet been released.
[2:26:48] Speaker 7: Well, first of all, just be real clear. They're sitting here.
[2:26:53] Speaker 13: So she's claiming she didn't know, Well, hell, your dumb ass,
[2:26:56] Speaker 13: the attorney general, you should know. Grand jury indictments our secret.
[2:27:02] Speaker 7: So how was it that you didn't know that? And
[2:27:05] Speaker 7: remember she.
[2:27:06] Speaker 13: Sent the letter and the mayor responded, here's the deal,
[2:27:11] Speaker 13: and arrest warrant has been issued, a four hundred thousand
[2:27:15] Speaker 13: dollars bond has actually been set and that's twenty five
[2:27:21] Speaker 13: thousand dollars. So she got hit with a sixteen count
[2:27:25] Speaker 13: felony indictment by this grand jury.
[2:27:35] Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, I love this.
[2:27:37] Speaker 13: Here and this is the Noble dot com story. It
[2:27:42] Speaker 13: says that while the special Counsel Laurie White, was speaking
[2:27:46] Speaker 13: to reporters, she had believed that Morell's attorneys had already
[2:27:50] Speaker 13: rapped at the courthouse. Cannot say with Morel be processed,
[2:27:54] Speaker 13: Derek Day playing, they were like, okay, fafo, Attorney General.
[2:28:01] Speaker 10: It's incredulous for her not to know. As the attorney general,
[2:28:06] Speaker 10: she is the chief cop Roland.
[2:28:09] Speaker 15: How is it that you don't know, Well, she doesn't
[2:28:11] Speaker 15: know because they continue to put unqualified, unfit individuals in
[2:28:16] Speaker 15: these constitutional offices and it's costing.
[2:28:19] Speaker 7: No no, no, no, no, no, no no no, she
[2:28:21] Speaker 7: didn't know. No no no, no no no no, she
[2:28:23] Speaker 7: didn't know the grand jurys consider this. But of course you.
[2:28:26] Speaker 13: Don't know the grand jury's consider this because.
[2:28:28] Speaker 7: It's a grand jury. It's secret.
[2:28:30] Speaker 11: For your reason, it's right, right, right, right, it's sealed.
[2:28:35] Speaker 15: She she should know that, she should know that it's sealed, right,
[2:28:41] Speaker 15: And all I'm saying is for her to go down
[2:28:46] Speaker 15: this path and the amount of.
[2:28:48] Speaker 10: Tax dollars is costing is just incredulous to me.
[2:28:56] Speaker 7: Well the thing here, the.
[2:28:59] Speaker 13: Loss again again, Well, no, no, no, it's not a lawsuit.
[2:29:03] Speaker 13: What she did was she threatened to remove it from office.
[2:29:07] Speaker 13: She sent a letter. The mayor responded and they were like, yo,
[2:29:10] Speaker 13: what you did was illegal by threatening this, and that's
[2:29:13] Speaker 13: why they sought this grand jury indictment.
[2:29:16] Speaker 7: So now she's now it's gonna be discovery, Larry.
[2:29:20] Speaker 13: Now they're gonna have to sit here and defend herself,
[2:29:22] Speaker 13: and they're gonna have to turn over documents showing what
[2:29:25] Speaker 13: actually happened here. I think this is lovely.
[2:29:30] Speaker 12: So I mean, listen, if you believe I mean, she
[2:29:33] Speaker 12: was obviously elected and if you said, the chief law
[2:29:35] Speaker 12: law officer, so she should follow the law really.
[2:29:38] Speaker 4: To turn herself in.
[2:29:39] Speaker 12: And certainly, you know, as this process moves forward, we
[2:29:42] Speaker 12: have to figure out you know, like you said, internal
[2:29:46] Speaker 12: documents and you know, find out you know, if you know,
[2:29:49] Speaker 12: she should go to jail. And certainly this is a provisor.
[2:29:53] Speaker 12: Is it an opportunity to lead by example? When this
[2:29:56] Speaker 12: case room, if they want to black the the blue
[2:30:00] Speaker 12: and follow rules and regulations and follow the law, this
[2:30:04] Speaker 12: is an opportunity for her to show some of the
[2:30:07] Speaker 12: youth of the state, you know, how important it is
[2:30:10] Speaker 12: to abide by the law and when you make mistakes
[2:30:12] Speaker 12: and maybe potentially face spines and go to jail.
[2:30:16] Speaker 10: That she's willing to do that, to leave by example.
[2:30:19] Speaker 10: So I look forward to that.
[2:30:22] Speaker 13: Ah, it's great. This is New Orleans, Greg saying, all right, y'all,
[2:30:28] Speaker 13: keep messing with us, keep messing with our money.
[2:30:31] Speaker 7: Gotcha we got some for you.
[2:30:34] Speaker 11: I love it, sure, sure I do too. But let's
[2:30:38] Speaker 11: be clear. As you saw, you saw what that little
[2:30:42] Speaker 11: bird looking governor said. He said, as soon as the
[2:30:47] Speaker 11: grand jury or comes back, as soon as she's convicted,
[2:30:50] Speaker 11: I'm going to pardon her as fast as the law allows.
[2:30:53] Speaker 11: The only way we're going to stop this is to
[2:30:56] Speaker 11: organize exactly what our friend Gary Chambers has been saying.
[2:30:59] Speaker 11: You're not going to stop Liz Morril by indicting her
[2:31:02] Speaker 11: and convicting her in court as long as there is
[2:31:05] Speaker 11: a white nationalist governor who has already put out there
[2:31:08] Speaker 11: that as soon as you convict her, I'm pardoning her.
[2:31:11] Speaker 11: Following his Lord and Master Donald Trump, this is all
[2:31:15] Speaker 11: of a peace. They are at the end of their rule,
[2:31:19] Speaker 11: whether it be in Louisiana, Missippi, anywhere else, South Carolina,
[2:31:22] Speaker 11: wherever they are, or the White House, and so they
[2:31:24] Speaker 11: have dropped all pretenses. At some point we have to
[2:31:29] Speaker 11: recognize that the rule of law is not going to
[2:31:32] Speaker 11: save us. We're going to have to fight these people,
[2:31:35] Speaker 11: and the easiest way to fight them at this juncture
[2:31:38] Speaker 11: is to get your registration together, show up at the poles,
[2:31:42] Speaker 11: and break their political facts. Every white person in Louisiana
[2:31:45] Speaker 11: doesn't vote for the White Nationalist Party, and you don't
[2:31:47] Speaker 11: need every white person. What have you been saying Rome,
[2:31:50] Speaker 11: when we vote our numbers, we win. If you don't.
[2:31:53] Speaker 11: If you want Liz Morell to go to not go
[2:31:56] Speaker 11: to jail, I mean, you want her to go to jail,
[2:31:58] Speaker 11: you better change who the governor is. Because this white
[2:32:00] Speaker 11: wold have already said as soon as the thing came down, Oh,
[2:32:03] Speaker 11: I'm partnering as soon as it as soon as she's convicted.
[2:32:06] Speaker 11: If she's convicted, we have to understand how power works.
[2:32:09] Speaker 11: The law's not gonna save us. And I'm saying that
[2:32:11] Speaker 11: as somebody who studied the law, who teaches the law.
[2:32:13] Speaker 11: The law's not gonna save us, not alone. That is delicious,
[2:32:17] Speaker 11: it's great, it's funny. But don't y'all get mad if
[2:32:19] Speaker 11: they convict her and this man is still down there,
[2:32:22] Speaker 11: Ben rouge and signs a piece of paper and she
[2:32:24] Speaker 11: comes out with her hands up in a victory, like, now,
[2:32:27] Speaker 11: who else am I gonna mess with? This is a
[2:32:29] Speaker 11: serious thing we're in right now.
[2:32:32] Speaker 7: Indeed, indeed, all right, folks, that is it for us.
[2:32:36] Speaker 13: Let me thank Larry, Let me thank there, Let me
[2:32:40] Speaker 13: thank Greg my Alpha brothers for being here on today's show.
[2:32:43] Speaker 7: I certainly appreciate it.
[2:32:44] Speaker 13: Thank you so very much, hope y'all enjoy the holidays
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