# Lonn Hartman Attack. Howard Freshmen Unenrolled. Mamdani On Affordability. JPMorgan Bias Suit

An episode of [#RolandMartinUnfiltered](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1434424449), 24 Jul 2026, 2 h 57 min.

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7.23.2026 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Lonn Hartman Attack. Howard Freshmen Unenrolled. Mamdani On Affordability. JPMorgan Bias Suit _ It's been more than a week since Detroit-area youth mentor Lonn Hartman was found with life-threatening neck wounds at the Bliss-fest Music Festival in northern Michigan. We'll talk to Hartman's friend and the family spokesperson about the investigation and the text she received from him saying he didn't feel safe. Incoming Howard University freshmen say they were unenrolled despite believing their financial aid, grants, and scholarships covered their tuition. We'll talk to one of the students impacted and an expert to explain next steps. A former JPMorgan Chase vice president is suing the financial giant for discrimination. She'll be here with her attorney to explain some of the things she had to endure. And I'll share my conversation with New York Mayor Zohran Mamdani about his plans for the black community. Black Star Network Partner: Chapter Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options. ____ Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[4:39] Speaker 5: Has been more than a week since Detroit area youth
[4:41] Speaker 5: mentor Lana Hartman was found with life threatening Neck Rooms
[4:45] Speaker 5: at the Bliss Best Music Festival in northern Michigan. We'll
[4:49] Speaker 5: talk to a Hartman's friend and the family spokesperson about
[4:52] Speaker 5: the investigation. Howard University lots of drama. They've been getting
[4:57] Speaker 5: blown up on social media up as the five students
[5:00] Speaker 5: say they were actually unenrolled despite believing their financial aid,
[5:04] Speaker 5: grants and scholarships covered their tuition. And we'll talk to
[5:07] Speaker 5: one of the students impacted and an expert to explain.
[5:10] Speaker 5: Next to former JP Morgan Chase vice president, it's suing
[5:13] Speaker 5: the financial giant for discrimination. She will join us with
[5:17] Speaker 5: her attorney to explain some of the things she had
[5:21] Speaker 5: to endure. Plus, I'll share my conversation with New York
[5:24] Speaker 5: Mayor Zaron mom Donnie about his plans for New York's
[5:28] Speaker 5: black community. Congressman Hocking Jeffries calls out UH Donald Trump
[5:32] Speaker 5: over the issue of affordability and massive protest taking place
[5:36] Speaker 5: in Madison, Wisconsin over an officer involved shooting of a
[5:39] Speaker 5: black man. It is time to bring the punk. I'm
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[6:38] Speaker 5: Family and friends of the many answers after thirty seven
[6:40] Speaker 5: year old black man suffered devastating injuries at a music
[6:43] Speaker 5: festival in northern Michigan. Lon Hartman is recovering after being
[6:47] Speaker 5: found Sunday morning, July twelveth neked inside his tent at
[6:51] Speaker 5: Blissfest in Harbor Springs. Hartman had deep lacerations to his neck.
[6:56] Speaker 5: He lost eight pints of blood and was hospitalized. I
[6:59] Speaker 5: was before he was found. Hartman sent a text message
[7:03] Speaker 5: to his friend ter Garnier saying he did not feel safe.
[7:07] Speaker 5: His friends are sharing concern about how the case is
[7:10] Speaker 5: being investigated. The Emmett County Sheriff's Department says nothing has
[7:13] Speaker 5: been ruled out and the case remains active. Harshman friend
[7:17] Speaker 5: the family spokesperson Teresa Garniaga, join us right now. Glad
[7:21] Speaker 5: to have you here. So this was a music festival, correct,
[7:26] Speaker 5: It's correct, and just.
[7:27] Speaker 13: For clarification too. He had texted me earlier that day
[7:31] Speaker 13: at two pm. He actually texted another friend that evening
[7:35] Speaker 13: that he felt unsafe.
[7:37] Speaker 5: So, okay, there's a music festival, okay, and we talked
[7:39] Speaker 5: about a tent. So was a multi day festival, and
[7:43] Speaker 5: it's one of these festivals where what you stay overnight.
[7:49] Speaker 13: So basically he had attended this festival last year just
[7:53] Speaker 13: as a guest. This year he was there as a performer.
[7:56] Speaker 13: So he came up Friday to perform Friday night and
[7:59] Speaker 13: then again Saturday evening. And so they have tints that families,
[8:03] Speaker 13: those that are participating can stand. Some people bring campers,
[8:06] Speaker 13: things of that nature, and so he had his own
[8:09] Speaker 13: tent that he had set up for him to stand,
[8:11] Speaker 13: you know, between the times that he was doing his performances.
[8:15] Speaker 5: Okay, so okay, so when did this event, this is
[8:20] Speaker 5: assault or whatever take place. Was it overnight? So was
[8:23] Speaker 5: he staying overnight or did he just try to understand.
[8:29] Speaker 5: Did he go to the site Hey it's sort of
[8:31] Speaker 5: like when you have a trailer somewhere. Hey, this is
[8:34] Speaker 5: where you hang out and then when you're done, you leave,
[8:38] Speaker 5: go to your hotel, come back the next day. Or
[8:40] Speaker 5: was he staying in the tent overnight.
[8:44] Speaker 13: So how it's set up is he came here, he
[8:46] Speaker 13: set up a tent, he was staying overnight every night.
[8:49] Speaker 13: Got well when they insist, so he'd already stayed overnight
[8:51] Speaker 13: Friday night, and then he stayed overnight Saturday night, and
[8:54] Speaker 13: they believe that the assault occurred early Sunday morning, between
[8:59] Speaker 13: two and four o'clock.
[9:00] Speaker 5: Has he given any indication is it one person, multiple people?
[9:05] Speaker 9: I can tell you that it's multiple people.
[9:09] Speaker 5: Was there security on the site? Was there lighting? Any
[9:14] Speaker 5: idea of what the surroundings were?
[9:19] Speaker 13: So from my understanding, there was security. However, you know
[9:22] Speaker 13: it's at nighttime. They got a bunch of string lights.
[9:25] Speaker 13: From the photos and videos I've seen, whatever lanterns people bring,
[9:30] Speaker 13: I wouldn't say it was highly lit.
[9:33] Speaker 9: Excuse me. I wouldn't say it was well lit.
[9:35] Speaker 13: I would say it string lights and you know, different
[9:38] Speaker 13: lanterns and things of that nature that people were using
[9:40] Speaker 13: to light up the area.
[9:41] Speaker 9: And it's actually really beautiful the whole setup that they had.
[9:44] Speaker 13: And they had tapestries strung along lines that kind of
[9:49] Speaker 13: cordened off certain camps. You know, all these rainbow type tapestries,
[9:54] Speaker 13: tapestries and things of that nature, and so you know,
[9:57] Speaker 13: it was dark and a lot of the areas are
[9:58] Speaker 13: wooded as well.
[10:00] Speaker 5: This isn't a field, okay, So, based upon reports, he
[10:06] Speaker 5: was found hanging.
[10:09] Speaker 13: So based on the security team that we spoke to,
[10:12] Speaker 13: he was hanging out of the tent, so like halfway in,
[10:16] Speaker 13: halfway out the tent.
[10:17] Speaker 5: And well, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, So you mean his body,
[10:20] Speaker 5: So what was what was it a rope? Was it twined?
[10:24] Speaker 5: Was it attached to something?
[10:26] Speaker 3: No?
[10:26] Speaker 14: No, he wasn't hanging at all.
[10:27] Speaker 13: So like, imagine you've been cut and you got cuts
[10:31] Speaker 13: here and you're trying to hold the cuts in and
[10:33] Speaker 13: you're laying on the ground. Half the tent is unzipped.
[10:36] Speaker 13: Half your body's got it by the tent, the other
[10:38] Speaker 13: half's outside the tent, got it.
[10:40] Speaker 5: So again, ropes or anything like that. So again, when
[10:43] Speaker 5: I hear hanging outside, I'm literally thinking lynching. I'm thinking
[10:47] Speaker 5: like a hanging brand.
[10:48] Speaker 13: Okay, yeah, but that's that's not Yeah, he was just
[10:50] Speaker 13: halfway in, halfway out the tent and he was found
[10:53] Speaker 13: completely naked.
[10:54] Speaker 15: Uh.
[10:54] Speaker 5: No no video anything along those lines.
[11:00] Speaker 9: No one had video.
[11:00] Speaker 13: It was at night, but we did talk to several
[11:03] Speaker 13: witnesses who stated that they heard what they thought was
[11:06] Speaker 13: grunting between two and four am, and then they had
[11:11] Speaker 13: others who stated that they heard screams, blood, curling screams
[11:14] Speaker 13: around four am, but they didn't know who it was
[11:18] Speaker 13: or where it was coming from because you have you know,
[11:21] Speaker 13: i want to say, maybe almost one hundred tents around,
[11:24] Speaker 13: so you can't really tell what tint it was coming from.
[11:27] Speaker 13: And so he wasn't found until I think security said
[11:31] Speaker 13: they arrived around nine am, so we had to have
[11:33] Speaker 13: been found shortly before that. And when they found him,
[11:36] Speaker 13: that's how they found him halfway hanging, you know, in
[11:38] Speaker 13: halfway inside the tent, and he had lost a lot
[11:41] Speaker 13: of blood.
[11:42] Speaker 9: They said there was barely any blood in the tent.
[11:44] Speaker 13: There was this little splatter on the back of the tent,
[11:47] Speaker 13: and they said all of it was coagulated and they
[11:49] Speaker 13: had never seen anything like this, and it was later
[11:52] Speaker 13: found out that he had lost almost eight pints of blood.
[11:55] Speaker 13: So then they also stated that later on a someone
[11:59] Speaker 13: brought a blood soak towel that was not inside his tent.
[12:03] Speaker 13: So the questions are who opened the tent, who pulled
[12:08] Speaker 13: him out the tent potentially, who.
[12:10] Speaker 9: Had the towel, and why was it not in his tent.
[12:13] Speaker 13: So when we spoke to security, he said there was
[12:15] Speaker 13: no way humanly possible that he would have been able
[12:17] Speaker 13: to unzip the tent, let alone crawl out of it.
[12:25] Speaker 5: Status of the investigation, that's a great question.
[12:29] Speaker 13: I don't know, because we've reached out to the police.
[12:33] Speaker 13: We were actually working with them originally, and they had
[12:36] Speaker 13: told us initially that they, you know, we have to
[12:38] Speaker 13: investigate all angles. But then they said, but we really
[12:41] Speaker 13: don't feel it as a suicide or self inflicted because
[12:44] Speaker 13: if we did, we wouldn't be gathering all of his items,
[12:48] Speaker 13: we wouldn't have three different agencies looking into this. And so,
[12:51] Speaker 13: you know, they seemed like they wanted us to work
[12:54] Speaker 13: with him. They're like, oh, great, send us whatever you have,
[12:56] Speaker 13: let's kind of work together on this. And so we're like, bet,
[12:59] Speaker 13: this is great. But then the detective gave us his
[13:03] Speaker 13: cell number, said hey, call this number. If we don't
[13:05] Speaker 13: get back to you, keep trying, I'll get back to you.
[13:08] Speaker 13: So for a couple of days we kept trying to
[13:10] Speaker 13: call him because we had evidence that we wanted to
[13:13] Speaker 13: share with him.
[13:15] Speaker 9: He wasn't getting back to us. So then we showed
[13:17] Speaker 9: up at the station twice. The doors were not locked,
[13:20] Speaker 9: they were completely open.
[13:22] Speaker 13: We go in, My partner went in and he said, hey,
[13:25] Speaker 13: we want to talk to the detective we were speaking
[13:27] Speaker 13: to earlier, Alex Babcock, and they were like, no one's here,
[13:31] Speaker 13: and so he says, well, look, I'm trying to give
[13:33] Speaker 13: y'all some evidence. I need some evidence from y'all because
[13:36] Speaker 13: security also told us they saw a guy outside heckling
[13:39] Speaker 13: and laughing and doing all sorts of things while they
[13:42] Speaker 13: were trying to administer aid to him, so much so
[13:45] Speaker 13: that they threatened to arrest him several times, and then
[13:47] Speaker 13: he finally jumped in his car and drove off. So
[13:50] Speaker 13: we wanted to talk to police and say who was
[13:52] Speaker 13: this guy. We hear that you have a photo of
[13:54] Speaker 13: his license plate. We also have evidence that we want
[13:57] Speaker 13: to present. They said, we can't talk to you about
[13:59] Speaker 13: that unless you bring the mom up here. So Eric says, okay, cool,
[14:03] Speaker 13: we're right down the street.
[14:04] Speaker 9: We'll go get her.
[14:05] Speaker 13: We'll be back in ten minutes. The hospital is six
[14:08] Speaker 13: minutes from the police station. He drove back with me,
[14:10] Speaker 13: picked her up, came they had locked the doors. They
[14:13] Speaker 13: don't close, they're open between eight and four pm. They
[14:16] Speaker 13: locked their doors around one thirty two o'clock.
[14:22] Speaker 5: Have y'all reached out to the state, we're talking about Michigan.
[14:25] Speaker 5: You've got I mean, have you got state investigators?
[14:30] Speaker 13: So we have all yet that's actually the next step.
[14:33] Speaker 13: We had not because when we were seeing we had
[14:36] Speaker 13: made a viral video about how the police had locked
[14:39] Speaker 13: Lahn Hartman's mother out of the police station. It wasn't
[14:42] Speaker 13: until we made that statement and put the police and
[14:45] Speaker 13: Blissfest on blast that they decided to release statements. Almost
[14:49] Speaker 13: five days later after the incident had occurred, and they
[14:52] Speaker 13: made a statement saying, oh, we thought it was self
[14:54] Speaker 13: inflicted or it may have been an altercation that happened.
[14:57] Speaker 13: We've been in touch with the family, and that's not true.
[15:00] Speaker 13: They had not talked to the family. I've been with
[15:02] Speaker 13: Judy and Ashley every day since Monday afternoon, every day,
[15:08] Speaker 13: and they had not. The only time they talked to her,
[15:10] Speaker 13: which was briefly, was when he was getting a rape
[15:13] Speaker 13: kid done and they just said, we can't answer any questions.
[15:16] Speaker 9: Here's a business card.
[15:18] Speaker 13: And then they called her after we made the video
[15:21] Speaker 13: and they slided and said they were speaking to the
[15:24] Speaker 13: family and told her we can't release any It's rare
[15:27] Speaker 13: that we release any evidence to family members. But you
[15:30] Speaker 13: need to call this person. You had already told us
[15:33] Speaker 13: that if we bring her up there, you would show
[15:35] Speaker 13: her the evidence. And now you're backtracking and then telling
[15:37] Speaker 13: her to call other people. And so they have not spoken.
[15:41] Speaker 13: I know for a fact, I have call logs. They
[15:43] Speaker 13: have not spoken to Judy or Ashley, who are the
[15:46] Speaker 13: two who have been up here since he got here.
[15:49] Speaker 13: So they're lying when they say they've spoken to family.
[15:51] Speaker 13: And now I don't know if they've talked to cousins,
[15:54] Speaker 13: you know, other family members. I can't speak on that,
[15:56] Speaker 13: but what I do know is they're not speaking to
[15:58] Speaker 13: the two people that are right down the street from them.
[16:01] Speaker 5: All right, then, well what is the condition of lawn
[16:04] Speaker 5: right now?
[16:06] Speaker 13: So right now he's able to communicate, so he's blinking,
[16:11] Speaker 13: he nods his head. They're trying to gauge how long
[16:16] Speaker 13: it'll take from to heal from all of this when
[16:18] Speaker 13: you lose that much blood. They don't know what, you know,
[16:21] Speaker 13: the aftermath could be, because it's all dependent on your
[16:24] Speaker 13: body and how it heals from it. And so you know,
[16:27] Speaker 13: the hopes are that they'll be able to transfer him,
[16:29] Speaker 13: you know, in a week or so, to a facility
[16:32] Speaker 13: closer to his home to help him with his recovery
[16:35] Speaker 13: so he can keep recovering. But right now, you know,
[16:38] Speaker 13: he'll have really good days and then you know, a
[16:41] Speaker 13: health concern will pop up and then it'll feel like okay,
[16:44] Speaker 13: now we're backtracking again. So it's been a lot of
[16:46] Speaker 13: back and forth, teeter tottering, and you know he could,
[16:51] Speaker 13: you know, it just it's a lot.
[16:53] Speaker 9: It's a lot.
[16:54] Speaker 13: And just imagine having, you know, someone do this to
[16:58] Speaker 13: you and you wake up in a hospital and you
[17:02] Speaker 13: can't move, you can't eat. People are coming in all
[17:06] Speaker 13: hours of the day and night, flipping you, taking your
[17:09] Speaker 13: clothes off, doing all those things. Then you got everybody
[17:11] Speaker 13: trying to come and being in your face, crying in
[17:13] Speaker 13: your face, asking you questions. You know, on top of
[17:16] Speaker 13: having to deal with the trauma of someone doing this
[17:18] Speaker 13: to you and surviving from it.
[17:21] Speaker 9: It's a lot. It is a lot.
[17:23] Speaker 13: And so he is fighting and he's doing so I'm
[17:26] Speaker 13: so proud of him for how well he's doing. But
[17:29] Speaker 13: he has a very long journey ahead of ahead of
[17:32] Speaker 13: him as far as healing goes.
[17:34] Speaker 5: All right, then, rich Garne, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot,
[17:38] Speaker 5: Thank you. All right, folks, I'm gonna go to break
[17:41] Speaker 5: we come back lots for us to talk about, y'all.
[17:44] Speaker 5: On today's show, I talked to New York Mayor Zoram
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[22:24] Speaker 16: Epic Failure is that gas prices have dramatically increased and
[22:28] Speaker 16: are now north of four dollars and eighteen cents per
[22:35] Speaker 16: gallon across the country. Donald Trump and Republicans have failed
[22:39] Speaker 16: the American people, which is why they clearly are on
[22:44] Speaker 16: the run and are on the verge of losing control
[22:49] Speaker 16: of the House of Representatives. In many instances, Republicans have
[22:53] Speaker 16: already lost control of the floor of the House of Representatives,
[22:56] Speaker 16: as Democrats just demonstrated once again byfully passing a War
[23:02] Speaker 16: Powers resolution as part of our continuing effort to bring
[23:08] Speaker 16: Donald Trump's reckless War of Choice in the Middle East
[23:13] Speaker 16: to a close. House Democrats are fighting for an affordable America,
[23:21] Speaker 16: and as we return home to our districts, all across
[23:24] Speaker 16: the country. We will make clear to the American people
[23:29] Speaker 16: that our promise to them is to lower the cost
[23:33] Speaker 16: of groceries, gas, and housing. Our promise to the American
[23:40] Speaker 16: people is that we will fight for affordable healthcare for
[23:44] Speaker 16: every single American. And our promise to the American people
[23:51] Speaker 16: is that we will hold the crooks accountable. If you're
[23:56] Speaker 16: a crook in the United States of America and you've
[23:59] Speaker 16: been feeling from the American people, we're coming after you.
[24:07] Speaker 4: So we can deliver a government of.
[24:11] Speaker 17: The people, by the people, and for the people.
[24:16] Speaker 5: Come up, pan on doctor Greg Carr, the Department of
[24:18] Speaker 5: afric American Studies at Howard University. Glad to have him
[24:21] Speaker 5: on today's show. Of course, we got doctor Larry Walker
[24:28] Speaker 5: joining us from Florida. He also, of course, professor. They're
[24:35] Speaker 5: in the Sunshine State University of Central Florida. Glad to
[24:39] Speaker 5: have y'all on today's show. All right, so let's jump
[24:44] Speaker 5: right into this thing. So I guess we wanna call
[24:47] Speaker 5: this Alpha Day. We'll do that. Let's do that, Larry,
[24:54] Speaker 5: what you heard Congressman Jeffrey say there really has to
[24:58] Speaker 5: be the consistent hardcore message of Candice running in the fall.
[25:03] Speaker 5: But the thing though, is I still believe what is
[25:07] Speaker 5: missing is their own contract with America laying out if
[25:14] Speaker 5: we get control of the House in November, this is
[25:18] Speaker 5: these are the bills that we are going to pass.
[25:23] Speaker 18: Roland.
[25:23] Speaker 5: I think that's a really important point.
[25:25] Speaker 18: And we talked, you know, you talked about the Gingrich
[25:28] Speaker 18: Revolution previously in the Contract of America those years ago,
[25:31] Speaker 18: and they said this is what we're going to do,
[25:33] Speaker 18: and then they did it. Same thing we see with
[25:36] Speaker 18: the Trump administration and then document created by the Heritage Foundation,
[25:39] Speaker 18: this is what we're going to do, and then they
[25:41] Speaker 18: have from A to Z done every single thing you
[25:44] Speaker 18: want to do.
[25:45] Speaker 5: You have to have.
[25:48] Speaker 18: A plan that people can read and also how you're
[25:52] Speaker 18: going to implement it. And it is clear to the
[25:54] Speaker 18: average working class American, whether you know, post on social media,
[25:59] Speaker 18: et cetera, talked about gas prices, talked about in a
[26:03] Speaker 18: self inflicted war in terms of and obviously we see
[26:06] Speaker 18: these things that continue to escalate over the last couple
[26:09] Speaker 18: of days, but food costs and so these have to
[26:13] Speaker 18: be the issues that obviously it is press conference that
[26:17] Speaker 18: having a document and making sure you have the individuals
[26:20] Speaker 18: in the party who can really articulate what has happened
[26:24] Speaker 18: over the last you know, several months, in a couple
[26:25] Speaker 18: of years during their Trump administration, and why him being
[26:28] Speaker 18: Speaker of the House would dramatically change, positively change the
[26:32] Speaker 18: ways the ways in which Americans live. People having choose
[26:36] Speaker 18: taken our loans, they have to choose whether they can
[26:38] Speaker 18: go see a doctor, or put gas in their car,
[26:40] Speaker 18: or buy fruits and vegetables for their children, all these
[26:43] Speaker 18: other issues that Americans are dealing with. But I think
[26:46] Speaker 18: that there's a problem in from what speaker, you know,
[26:49] Speaker 18: future Speaker Jefferies is saying and making sure this message
[26:53] Speaker 18: gets down to the average American, because when I talk
[26:56] Speaker 18: to people, you know, they're like, yeah, we need something
[26:58] Speaker 18: to change, and if they you know, conversation about both parties,
[27:02] Speaker 18: it doesn't feel like what's being said in DC for
[27:05] Speaker 18: Democrats is really trickling down and Americans, the average voter
[27:10] Speaker 18: is really hearing it. And so I think that the
[27:12] Speaker 18: overall there's a communication challenge here. But I agree that
[27:15] Speaker 18: there has to be some kind of comprehensive document to
[27:17] Speaker 18: simply say this is what we're gonna do, and not
[27:19] Speaker 18: just owe the public as of bad.
[27:21] Speaker 5: People the Yesterday, Greg, we had Terrence Whitbeer on and
[27:28] Speaker 5: he talked about the research that they uncover that laid
[27:32] Speaker 5: out how gen Z doesn't really respond to saving American
[27:36] Speaker 5: democracy or protecting the right to vote, and all of
[27:43] Speaker 5: this stuff are critical lessons in terms of how to
[27:47] Speaker 5: properly message, and that is it all can't be Trump
[27:53] Speaker 5: is evil. There's a reason why we don't call our
[27:57] Speaker 5: segment Trump's War Black America. We call it GP War
[28:03] Speaker 5: on Black America because we're trying to explain to people
[28:07] Speaker 5: this is not just the White House, not just the House,
[28:12] Speaker 5: not just the Senate. It's these legislatures, governor mansions, county government, mayors, chaffs,
[28:22] Speaker 5: police chiefs. It's far more expansive than what people actually think.
[28:28] Speaker 5: And I just think that again, once we get into
[28:32] Speaker 5: August and September, October, what people want to hear is
[28:36] Speaker 5: what are you going to do? What are you going
[28:40] Speaker 5: to accomplish if I put you in the office.
[28:46] Speaker 15: Yeah, I agree, of course. And the speaker is as
[28:51] Speaker 15: you say, doctor Walkers said, they the to be speaker
[28:56] Speaker 15: maybe is maybe between a rock and horror place. He's
[29:00] Speaker 15: got a high bound party that he is absolutely a
[29:03] Speaker 15: creature of and a product of with those consultants.
[29:07] Speaker 4: As you always say this morning, ass white boys are the.
[29:09] Speaker 15: Kind of folks who want to take a kind of
[29:11] Speaker 15: center place and whistle past the graveyard. And then at
[29:14] Speaker 15: the very local level, hyper local level, he's got people
[29:19] Speaker 15: who have tapped into that passion, who are working at
[29:24] Speaker 15: the micro level. You're about to talk to one of
[29:26] Speaker 15: the best to emerge in recent years. And so I'm dining,
[29:31] Speaker 15: and so I think what's missing in Representative Jefferies' words
[29:36] Speaker 15: there R and D what you and Larry have said
[29:39] Speaker 15: at the specifics what you would do you would if
[29:42] Speaker 15: you were in power, which becomes difficult for the Democratic
[29:45] Speaker 15: Party because of course they are big ten include some
[29:47] Speaker 15: folks who will likely peel off in defect.
[29:51] Speaker 4: But and here is where I think he can make
[29:53] Speaker 4: the adjustment.
[29:53] Speaker 15: I was watching yesterday as they pushed through the latest
[29:58] Speaker 15: giveaway which will probably die the Senate of our tax dollars,
[30:02] Speaker 15: and Representative Jim McGovern Democrat of Massachusetts, I think took
[30:08] Speaker 15: the position that the Democrat Party has to take now,
[30:11] Speaker 15: and that is that every word that comes out of
[30:14] Speaker 15: the mouth of the White Nationalist Party is a lie.
[30:17] Speaker 15: And while we could check them, fact check them, and
[30:22] Speaker 15: give out the litany of abuses. The simple factor of
[30:24] Speaker 15: the matter is that lying is their brand. We're not
[30:28] Speaker 15: trying to chase voters by demonstrating the factual inaccuracies anymore,
[30:33] Speaker 15: although we must have them. What we are saying to
[30:35] Speaker 15: you is that that not only are they liars, the
[30:38] Speaker 15: lie is the point. And what I saw Representative McGovern
[30:42] Speaker 15: do yesterday is lean into the white nationalist rhetoric and
[30:47] Speaker 15: he said, so you call us commonists. Huh okay, well,
[30:50] Speaker 15: you know fine, you want to play that game, Let's
[30:52] Speaker 15: play that game. And at about thirty seconds he went
[30:55] Speaker 15: through that litany of abuses to end up with how
[30:58] Speaker 15: dare they lecture anyone?
[30:59] Speaker 4: Because here is what they have done.
[31:02] Speaker 15: Then he laid out the piece that they have done,
[31:05] Speaker 15: and he didn't lean on the saving American democracy.
[31:09] Speaker 4: What he said is these people are liars and they're
[31:11] Speaker 4: still in both hands, and here's how they're doing it.
[31:12] Speaker 15: And this is why your gas prices have gone up,
[31:15] Speaker 15: this is why your food prices are going up, this
[31:16] Speaker 15: is why your healthcare is gonna go up. They're so
[31:18] Speaker 15: damn insidious that they pushed your premium's escalation even further
[31:24] Speaker 15: past the midterm, so it can hit you at the
[31:25] Speaker 15: beginning of the year. So if elected, as you say,
[31:28] Speaker 15: here are the bills we're gonna do. Here are the
[31:30] Speaker 15: bills we're gonna do. Here other bills do.
[31:31] Speaker 3: But we need more.
[31:34] Speaker 4: We need more than a small majority.
[31:38] Speaker 15: Finally, and again, I can't wait to hit the conversation
[31:40] Speaker 15: you're gonna have with a mayor, Mam Donnie at the
[31:43] Speaker 15: local level, ma'm donnie. While he's saying, hey, man BB,
[31:48] Speaker 15: the international killer got to go and you should arrest him.
[31:50] Speaker 15: He's also filled in thousands of potholes while he's saying, yes,
[31:54] Speaker 15: we need to transform our Economic Investment Office. So here's
[31:58] Speaker 15: a guy bringing from McKenzie and here's somebody else who
[32:00] Speaker 15: used to chair the Federal Trade Commission. I won't because
[32:02] Speaker 15: work together ideologically. He's saying, uh, pre k, I got
[32:06] Speaker 15: you buses. I'm working on it. Hey, he said, I'm
[32:09] Speaker 15: in the pocket of big Abwela. This guy's a genius.
[32:13] Speaker 15: So as a result, I'm getting rid of all these
[32:15] Speaker 15: recommend all these damn these damn regulations where you go
[32:19] Speaker 15: around to the bodega, they got to go jump through
[32:21] Speaker 15: three hoops to get in other words, that's the kind
[32:23] Speaker 15: of micro targeting. And what Representative Jeffries can do is
[32:27] Speaker 15: then use the exemplars. Stop running from Zorhaim, Mam Donnie,
[32:30] Speaker 15: stopp whistling past the graveyard, and say, look at Mayor,
[32:33] Speaker 15: Mam Donnie, look at what soon to be married and
[32:36] Speaker 15: East George may do in Washington, DC.
[32:38] Speaker 4: Look at the fact that.
[32:40] Speaker 15: We purged our party a candidate in the Senate for
[32:44] Speaker 15: the Senate in Maine that we had a problem with,
[32:47] Speaker 15: and that the man we replaced hurt him.
[32:49] Speaker 4: With is in the polls already ahead.
[32:52] Speaker 15: Of Susan Collins, who is a liar to her core,
[32:55] Speaker 15: is not a moderate, and here are the policies she has.
[32:57] Speaker 4: In other words, use your exemp law.
[33:00] Speaker 15: Arts, because these young people and Democrats, socialsts and everybody
[33:03] Speaker 15: else have already turned away from Representative Jeffries. And your
[33:08] Speaker 15: chance now is to use the exemplarers with stuff's working
[33:11] Speaker 15: at the micro level and lean into it. But I'm
[33:13] Speaker 15: afraid his consultants and his whole political career career seemed
[33:17] Speaker 15: to probably train in the other direction.
[33:19] Speaker 4: He's going to keep doing what he's been doing, which is.
[33:23] Speaker 15: Talk about the Democrats and put us in power because
[33:27] Speaker 15: they failed the American people.
[33:30] Speaker 4: Nobody's inspired by that.
[33:33] Speaker 5: Speaking of that, we will have that interview with Mayor
[33:36] Speaker 5: Mom Dona coming up next right here on Roland Martin
[33:39] Speaker 5: on Filtered. But before we actually go to our commercial break, folks,
[33:43] Speaker 5: let me get the personal for a second. My mom
[33:45] Speaker 5: had questions about her Medicare. She called Chapter, a Medicare
[33:49] Speaker 5: advisory company, and texted me right after saying it's a
[33:52] Speaker 5: great benefit. It was easy, a real person who walked
[33:55] Speaker 5: her through the whole thing, and of course it's not
[33:57] Speaker 5: just her woman up any yonkers, then saying the process
[34:01] Speaker 5: was so simple, the enrollment was easy, and of course,
[34:04] Speaker 5: as she was so glad, she called. Then there's Maryland,
[34:08] Speaker 5: ninety years old, down in Florida, living on Social Security.
[34:12] Speaker 5: Her premium climbed every single year north to four hundred
[34:15] Speaker 5: dollars a month for coverage she could barely afford anymore.
[34:18] Speaker 5: She called Chapter and they found her the same top
[34:21] Speaker 5: tier coverage, four hundreds less. Ninety years old, and finally,
[34:25] Speaker 5: somebody in her corn I hear stories like that again
[34:27] Speaker 5: and again from this community. The Medicare system was not
[34:29] Speaker 5: built to work for you. Too much fine print, too
[34:32] Speaker 5: many plans. Chapter's advisors are independent and honest. The only
[34:36] Speaker 5: medicare advisors that compare every plan nationwide, focused on one thing,
[34:40] Speaker 5: what actually worked for you. If you're already the right plan,
[34:43] Speaker 5: they'll tell you no games. And people who switched with
[34:46] Speaker 5: Chapters save an average eleven hundred dollars a year twenty
[34:49] Speaker 5: minutes a real person completely free. So you could call
[34:52] Speaker 5: Chapter seven two four two sixty four eight eight one
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[35:01] Speaker 11: With medicine and science under attack, I want.
[35:03] Speaker 19: To keep you and your family informed and healthy. I'm
[35:07] Speaker 19: doctor Ebany Hilton, and I knew at the age of
[35:09] Speaker 19: eight that I wanted to be a doctor, so I
[35:11] Speaker 19: studied hard and became the first African American female and
[35:15] Speaker 19: sociologist hiringech Medical University of South Carolina.
[35:18] Speaker 11: Since it's opening in eighteen twenty four. And I always
[35:21] Speaker 11: say I was made into a doctor, but I was
[35:23] Speaker 11: born to be a mom.
[35:25] Speaker 19: And as a new mom, wife's, sister, daughter, and friend,
[35:28] Speaker 19: I understand how finding a medical crisis candy. I care
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[36:39] Speaker 5: Folks. I don't know what the hell's going on the
[36:41] Speaker 5: US Virgin Islands, but it is causing a serious problem
[36:44] Speaker 5: the corruption there. The US Department of Housing and Urban
[36:47] Speaker 5: Development has immediately suspended the Virgin Islands Housing Finance Authority
[36:52] Speaker 5: from receiving federal funding. The suspension comes following a criminal
[36:56] Speaker 5: conviction of the authorities former Chief Operating Officer in years
[37:00] Speaker 5: of audits that have cited financial mismanagement, inadequate fraud controls,
[37:04] Speaker 5: conflicts of interest, and failures to comply with foreign aid obligations.
[37:09] Speaker 5: The Virgin Islands received nearly two billion dollars in federal
[37:12] Speaker 5: funding to help with recovery after Hurricanes Maria and Ierma
[37:16] Speaker 5: in twenty seventeen, but according to HUD, improvements to housing
[37:20] Speaker 5: and the electrical grid still have not taken place due
[37:23] Speaker 5: to mismanagement. A number of officials in the Virgin Islands
[37:27] Speaker 5: have been convicted and sent to prison for their roles
[37:30] Speaker 5: in handling the disaster relief money. Former Virgin Islands Police
[37:34] Speaker 5: Commissioner Ray Martinez has received a ten year prison sentence.
[37:39] Speaker 5: Former Housing Authority Chief Executive Darren Richardson sentenced to three
[37:42] Speaker 5: years in prison. Former Office of Management and Budget director
[37:46] Speaker 5: Jennifer O'Neill a seventy year prison sentence. And it goes
[37:50] Speaker 5: on and on and on. There literally was the US
[37:55] Speaker 5: attorney over the area made it clear that there's going
[38:00] Speaker 5: to be, you know, more indictments coming down. Greg, I'm
[38:05] Speaker 5: gonna go to you. That's not frankly, you know, any
[38:10] Speaker 5: confidence when you have that many people, you know, small island,
[38:14] Speaker 5: that many people being convicted of corruption and the thing
[38:20] Speaker 5: you know again, things not getting done. People are expecting
[38:24] Speaker 5: rebuilding taking place after hurricanes there, it's not happening.
[38:30] Speaker 15: No, and it's truly unfortunate because we're talking about non
[38:34] Speaker 15: white folk. We're talking about another talking point when the
[38:38] Speaker 15: propaganda campaign needs to blaze up. This has more factual
[38:42] Speaker 15: accuracy than they're eating the dogs. However, the same type
[38:47] Speaker 15: of racial animis will be directed at these folk.
[38:52] Speaker 4: Chief Martine's and rest I would just say this simply wild.
[38:56] Speaker 15: I think we should all applaud the law doing what
[39:00] Speaker 15: it needs to do, particularly when it comes to our
[39:03] Speaker 15: tax dollars. This has to be done across the open
[39:07] Speaker 15: You've got again going back to when you think about
[39:10] Speaker 15: Representative Jeffreys in his speech, you've got a complete criminal
[39:15] Speaker 15: enterprise not operating in the nominal shadows as they did
[39:20] Speaker 15: in the first term of Donald Trump, but not only
[39:22] Speaker 15: and not only open, operating openly, but substituting the rule
[39:27] Speaker 15: of law for their fascist statement to say basically, we're
[39:31] Speaker 15: going to do what we want, and here we just
[39:34] Speaker 15: continue to do what we want.
[39:36] Speaker 4: So contrastcend that with the virgin OLiS.
[39:38] Speaker 15: They acted too with impunity, but they tried to cover
[39:41] Speaker 15: it with the status of office. They were found out,
[39:44] Speaker 15: they were investigated, they were prosecuted, they were convicted. As
[39:47] Speaker 15: far as I'm concerned, that then becomes a springboard to say,
[39:51] Speaker 15: anyone who applauding this, and we should all be applauding,
[39:54] Speaker 15: keep that same applause up when we go after the
[39:57] Speaker 15: rest of the people who have violated the trust of
[40:00] Speaker 15: the people by taking your tax dollars as they've done.
[40:03] Speaker 4: I'm wary of.
[40:06] Speaker 15: Any situation where we look at a case like this
[40:09] Speaker 15: as if it's an isolated occurrence or somehow disconnected from
[40:12] Speaker 15: the larger field of theft that we are operating under
[40:16] Speaker 15: here in the United States at this month.
[40:19] Speaker 5: This is a story here, of course, the Governor Albert
[40:28] Speaker 5: Bryant Junior slam HUD, calling their letter saying he was shot,
[40:32] Speaker 5: called their letter unprofessional and also sensationalized, and at a
[40:40] Speaker 5: public briefing he said, quote, when I go to Washington,
[40:42] Speaker 5: I don't go and visit HUD or FEMA anymore because
[40:45] Speaker 5: we don't have any problems. This was, of course, at
[40:48] Speaker 5: the public briefing there.
[40:50] Speaker 18: Larry Roll in this entire story is troubling because these
[40:56] Speaker 18: are COVID related funds in terms of recovery. So we
[40:59] Speaker 18: should highlight that and listen, any form of corruption is bad.
[41:03] Speaker 18: It is particularly troubling within it, like is doctor garhiglight
[41:06] Speaker 18: and when it's your own people and it's just say
[41:08] Speaker 18: a statement, you know, every brother or every sister and
[41:10] Speaker 18: a sister or brother and that's.
[41:12] Speaker 4: This is a prime example.
[41:13] Speaker 5: So we have that.
[41:15] Speaker 18: But to the broader point doctor Carr made about corruption, Listen, Roan,
[41:19] Speaker 18: I've been keeping a tallly of the level of corruption
[41:21] Speaker 18: we've seen from the current administration, and I've run out
[41:24] Speaker 18: of pages. So as doctor Krus said, we're going to
[41:26] Speaker 18: have the same energy for this unfortunate situation in which
[41:30] Speaker 18: individuals took advantage in the system. We have to hold
[41:33] Speaker 18: the larger system to the same uh you know, uh,
[41:36] Speaker 18: you know, the same expectations, and that's not happening.
[41:40] Speaker 5: You know.
[41:40] Speaker 18: Look, these individuals have had their dare in court. They're
[41:42] Speaker 18: going to serve time as they well should. I am
[41:45] Speaker 18: trouble in terms of the administration's response in terms of
[41:49] Speaker 18: what happened. We know corruption exists. Certainly, we would hope
[41:52] Speaker 18: that they would find a way to make sure that
[41:54] Speaker 18: you know, some after these individuals are going to jail,
[41:57] Speaker 18: the island shows that they have you know, competent people
[42:00] Speaker 18: who are you know, morally upstanding in place to make
[42:04] Speaker 18: sure that you know, citizens get the money, get the
[42:06] Speaker 18: information the money they need. If there's another you know,
[42:10] Speaker 18: tragic event, but we're not seeing that, and you give
[42:14] Speaker 18: them an inch, they're gonna take a yard. And this
[42:16] Speaker 18: is all this does is allow them to point a
[42:19] Speaker 18: finger and said, see, I told you, this is how
[42:22] Speaker 18: they are.
[42:23] Speaker 5: Well, the biggest, biggest thing for me is I'm a
[42:25] Speaker 5: firm believer. I despise any form of corruption because what
[42:28] Speaker 5: it does is it screws the people, the people who
[42:31] Speaker 5: need the resources. The point of this, uh, this point
[42:35] Speaker 5: of getting this money is to improve roads, is to
[42:38] Speaker 5: improve conditions. I can tell you when I was in
[42:40] Speaker 5: the Virgin Islands in Saint Croix, the roads were absolutely awful.
[42:44] Speaker 5: I mean they were I mean I won't even call
[42:47] Speaker 5: what I just saw potholes. I mean it was way
[42:52] Speaker 5: bigger than that. And so again the thing here is,
[42:57] Speaker 5: you know money was received under a democratic administration. All right,
[43:01] Speaker 5: if you are if you're Governor Brian, you're a Democrat. Understand,
[43:05] Speaker 5: with Donald Trump and Republicans in there, you're not gonna
[43:08] Speaker 5: get uh. And let's be real clear, the concerns were
[43:11] Speaker 5: expressed by the Biden administration, by the Biden hood officials.
[43:18] Speaker 5: So this wasn't all just right now. The cutoff took
[43:22] Speaker 5: place here, but again, this is where the resources need
[43:25] Speaker 5: to get to the people who needed the most. And
[43:28] Speaker 5: so I certainly hope Governor Brian and his administration are
[43:33] Speaker 5: taking this seriously and dealing with this because again, listen,
[43:41] Speaker 5: we know we already see what these fools do, how
[43:44] Speaker 5: they're they're giving money, FEMA money to red states and
[43:47] Speaker 5: not blue states. And we're talking about right now hurricane season.
[43:52] Speaker 5: You know, Bertha landed in Louisiana's on his way to Texas.
[43:56] Speaker 3: Uh.
[43:56] Speaker 5: And so when we start looking at what's going on
[43:59] Speaker 5: with whether you know, we know for a fact that
[44:02] Speaker 5: we're going to see more of these things happen. This
[44:08] Speaker 5: is the storm season we're in. We're in hurricane season
[44:11] Speaker 5: right now, and so I just want people to understand that, listen,
[44:17] Speaker 5: we may be in for a situation where more damage
[44:21] Speaker 5: is on the way. And as I was saying, you know,
[44:24] Speaker 5: you know this right right now, you've got massive You
[44:28] Speaker 5: can go to my iPad. So Bertha has a transition
[44:31] Speaker 5: from Louisiana to Texas. You see these massive storms, you
[44:35] Speaker 5: see that yellow and red happen in a hold Houston area.
[44:38] Speaker 5: You're going to see more hurricanes forming in the Gulf
[44:42] Speaker 5: of Mexico, Yes, Gulf of Mexico, in the Atlantic Ocean
[44:47] Speaker 5: as well. And so this is what and I certainly
[44:50] Speaker 5: want to hope that the folks in the Virgin Islands
[44:53] Speaker 5: are not going to be negatively impacted. But folk take
[44:58] Speaker 5: care of the money for the people, all right. Early
[45:01] Speaker 5: today I take an interview with New York Mayor Zoram Mam.
[45:04] Speaker 5: Donnie talked about a variety of issues, including democratic socials
[45:07] Speaker 5: for America, as well as what he is doing to
[45:10] Speaker 5: keep black folks from fleeing New York City. Mayor Mom, Donnie,
[45:16] Speaker 5: glad to have you back on Roland Martin Unfiltered. It
[45:19] Speaker 5: has been half a year, if you will, since Mayor,
[45:23] Speaker 5: how has it been thus far?
[45:25] Speaker 20: Well, first of all, I have to say just thank
[45:27] Speaker 20: you for having me back. It's a real pleasure to
[45:28] Speaker 20: be back on the show. And it's been going well,
[45:30] Speaker 20: you know, it's been about six months, as you said,
[45:32] Speaker 20: and it's been six months of putting our city on
[45:35] Speaker 20: a path to universal childcare, saving parents more than twenty
[45:38] Speaker 20: thousand dollars a year for each two year old that
[45:40] Speaker 20: enrolls into this program, and paving one hundred and seventy
[45:43] Speaker 20: five thousand potholes across the city at the same time.
[45:45] Speaker 20: And all of this comes back from the belief that
[45:47] Speaker 20: there has to be no problem too big, no task
[45:49] Speaker 20: too small for city government. And whether it's childcare, potholes,
[45:53] Speaker 20: restitution for workers who've been denied that by businesses that
[45:56] Speaker 20: took advantage of them, or even small businesses that were
[45:59] Speaker 20: taking advantage of by low arger corporations, we will be there.
[46:01] Speaker 20: We will be fighting back, and most importantly for New Yorkers,
[46:04] Speaker 20: we will be delivering.
[46:05] Speaker 5: Talked about childcare. Obviously that appeals to a lot of parents.
[46:09] Speaker 5: And the reality is that you have seen significant erosion
[46:12] Speaker 5: of your black population. New York City used to have
[46:16] Speaker 5: the largest black population in the country, at Chicago was second,
[46:19] Speaker 5: Atlanta was third, and you've been losing. What are you
[46:23] Speaker 5: going to do to stem that tide? What I keep
[46:26] Speaker 5: hearing from my listeners and viewers is that they simply
[46:30] Speaker 5: cannot afford to stay in New York City, and that's.
[46:33] Speaker 20: What we've heard, the same thing, and we've heard it
[46:36] Speaker 20: for years. And as you know, anytime we talk about
[46:38] Speaker 20: increasing taxes on the wealthiest or the most profitable corporations,
[46:41] Speaker 20: there'll be talk of a fear of a capital flight.
[46:44] Speaker 20: But there's a real flight that's already been happening for years,
[46:47] Speaker 20: and that is the flight of Black New Yorkers out
[46:50] Speaker 20: of the city because they can't afford the ever increasing
[46:53] Speaker 20: costs of the city. And just to put a number
[46:54] Speaker 20: on it, we're talking about more than two hundred thousand
[46:57] Speaker 20: Black New Yorkers having left this city in the last
[46:59] Speaker 20: few decades alone, and from twenty ten to twenty nineteen,
[47:03] Speaker 20: our city saw a decline in the population of black
[47:05] Speaker 20: children and teenagers by nineteen percent. So our focus here
[47:09] Speaker 20: is how do we make it easier to stay in
[47:12] Speaker 20: New York Because we don't want to be an administration
[47:14] Speaker 20: that presides over what has effectively become a reverse Great Migration.
[47:19] Speaker 20: We want to be the administration that brings that to
[47:21] Speaker 20: an end and instead says that this is a city
[47:23] Speaker 20: that doesn't just celebrate black history, but it's a city
[47:26] Speaker 20: that allows Black history to keep being written. And so
[47:28] Speaker 20: what we have seen is the number one cost is housing.
[47:31] Speaker 20: So we have committed to building two hundred thousand new
[47:35] Speaker 20: affordable homes as well as preserving two hundred thousand existing
[47:39] Speaker 20: affordable homes over the next ten years. We're doing this
[47:41] Speaker 20: while also focusing on homeowners because we know that for
[47:45] Speaker 20: many Black New Yorkers, home ownership has been that path
[47:47] Speaker 20: to stability. And what that is meant is creating the
[47:50] Speaker 20: city's first ever Office of Deep Theft Prevention, so we
[47:53] Speaker 20: can bring an end to the scourge of especially older
[47:56] Speaker 20: Black New Yorkers, being taken advantage of under the guise
[47:59] Speaker 20: of re financing or planning out the shift of possession
[48:04] Speaker 20: of the property to the next generation, and instead protect
[48:07] Speaker 20: their rights as homeowners. And we do this as well
[48:09] Speaker 20: as delivering on childcare because when it comes to the
[48:12] Speaker 20: cost of living, childcare is the second most expensive thing
[48:15] Speaker 20: and it's considered a good deal in our city today
[48:17] Speaker 20: if you can get childcare for twenty thousand dollars a year,
[48:20] Speaker 20: and that's just something that we can't accept.
[48:22] Speaker 5: On the point you talked about paying for a lot
[48:25] Speaker 5: of this by increasing taxes, what is going to be
[48:29] Speaker 5: the burden on homeowners because again you talk about those
[48:32] Speaker 5: older homeowners, many of them fixed income. If you all
[48:36] Speaker 5: of a sudden have an increase in property taxes, that's
[48:40] Speaker 5: going to make it very difficult for those single family
[48:43] Speaker 5: homeowners on fixed income.
[48:45] Speaker 20: We're not talking about any burden on a fixed income homeowner.
[48:48] Speaker 20: What we're talking about is a burden on a non
[48:51] Speaker 20: resident New Yorker who owns the secondary home that's worth
[48:53] Speaker 20: more than five million dollars, and that is very few
[48:56] Speaker 20: and far between in this city. And yet what we've
[48:59] Speaker 20: seen is that city, where as you said, a homeowner
[49:02] Speaker 20: on fixed income is struggling to make ends meet, it's
[49:04] Speaker 20: also the wealthiest city in the wealthiest country in the
[49:07] Speaker 20: history of the world. And our job is to ensure
[49:09] Speaker 20: that that wealth it reaches the struggles also that New
[49:13] Speaker 20: Yorkers are facing in affording life in this city. That's
[49:16] Speaker 20: why we've been focused on increasing taxes only for the
[49:19] Speaker 20: wealthiest New Yorkers, the most profitable corporations, and when it
[49:22] Speaker 20: comes to those who are struggling in this city, it's
[49:25] Speaker 20: how do we deliver for them each and every day.
[49:27] Speaker 20: I'll give you one example, you know, when it comes
[49:29] Speaker 20: to homeowners. We saw that Rudy Giuliani policy called the
[49:33] Speaker 20: tax lean sale. The city was selling tax liens in
[49:36] Speaker 20: black neighborhoods at six times the rate it was selling
[49:39] Speaker 20: them in white neighborhoods. And I used to be a
[49:41] Speaker 20: foreclosure prevention housing counselor before I was an elected official.
[49:44] Speaker 20: I would see up close what it meant when that
[49:46] Speaker 20: lean was sold. It meant you were on a fast
[49:48] Speaker 20: track to foreclosure.
[49:49] Speaker 5: So what we did.
[49:50] Speaker 20: One of the first things we did was coming in
[49:52] Speaker 20: we said, look, it's not worth the amount of money
[49:54] Speaker 20: this is bringing into the city if it means it's
[49:56] Speaker 20: at the expense of home ownership. And so we put
[49:58] Speaker 20: a pause on that lean sale for the first six
[50:01] Speaker 20: months with a study instead to look at, yes, how
[50:03] Speaker 20: can we make sure that everyone is paying what they
[50:05] Speaker 20: owe the city, but also how can we make sure
[50:07] Speaker 20: it's not happening at the expense of their ability to
[50:09] Speaker 20: stay in this city.
[50:12] Speaker 5: One of the things that you had to deal with
[50:14] Speaker 5: early on was the lack of a senior African American leadership.
[50:18] Speaker 5: How have you fixed that problem?
[50:20] Speaker 20: So I'm proud to say that we have a Deputy
[50:22] Speaker 20: Mayor for Community Safety, the first ever Deputy mayor in
[50:25] Speaker 20: that position with Anita Francois, who is leading the work
[50:28] Speaker 20: of ensuring that we have all of government approach to
[50:32] Speaker 20: public safety and understand that we don't just respond to crime,
[50:35] Speaker 20: we also do the work to prevent crime. And what
[50:38] Speaker 20: she's been able to do has already had tangible results,
[50:41] Speaker 20: especially for young people across the city, and it's a
[50:43] Speaker 20: lot of work that needs to be built on. And
[50:45] Speaker 20: I think this gets back to the point that I've
[50:47] Speaker 20: been sharing over the course of the campaign, which is
[50:50] Speaker 20: that not only do we want a city government that
[50:53] Speaker 20: is delivering for New Yorkers, we also want one that
[50:55] Speaker 20: looks like New Yorkers. And so we can see that
[50:57] Speaker 20: whether it's in a deputy mayor or a chancellor, commit
[51:00] Speaker 20: all across this administration. It's a reflection of what the
[51:03] Speaker 20: first Democratic Socialist mayor, David Dinkins once described the city as,
[51:07] Speaker 20: which is a gorgeous mosaic.
[51:10] Speaker 5: Im speaking of that, so you called David dick as
[51:13] Speaker 5: a Democratic Socialist mayor.
[51:16] Speaker 20: Yes, yes, he identified himself as a Democratic Socialist. He
[51:19] Speaker 20: was also our first black mayor and in many ways
[51:22] Speaker 20: he was an inspiration not just for me, but for
[51:24] Speaker 20: so many New Yorkers with his vision of what the
[51:26] Speaker 20: city could be. And even just recently, you know, I
[51:30] Speaker 20: was celebrating Mandela Day and I was looking back at
[51:33] Speaker 20: images of how David Dinkins welcomed Mandela to this city
[51:38] Speaker 20: and what it looked like to actually be a mayor
[51:40] Speaker 20: with humanity at the core of the agenda.
[51:43] Speaker 5: So how do you so right now you have this
[51:46] Speaker 5: raging debate. First of all, I don't necessarily believe that
[51:49] Speaker 5: it is. I believe it is a raging debate in
[51:52] Speaker 5: New York media circles as opposed to what was happening
[51:55] Speaker 5: all across the country in terms of DSA candidates winning
[51:59] Speaker 5: in New York become mayor of d C in a
[52:02] Speaker 5: couple of other places. And one of the things that
[52:05] Speaker 5: I've said is that the reality is Democratic Socialism of
[52:10] Speaker 5: America policies play well in very blue districts. Reality is
[52:15] Speaker 5: that for Democrats nationally, especially in Congress, in order for
[52:19] Speaker 5: them to in order for them to let's say, win
[52:22] Speaker 5: the House, you're going to have to win in places
[52:25] Speaker 5: that are purple, places that might lean red. And so
[52:29] Speaker 5: so how do you respond to folks who say that,
[52:33] Speaker 5: oh my god, these DSA folks are taking over the
[52:37] Speaker 5: party that they're going to destroy the party and we're
[52:40] Speaker 5: not going to be able to win because we're going
[52:43] Speaker 5: to get branded as socialists and communists.
[52:47] Speaker 20: Well, you know, Democrats have been branded as socialists for
[52:51] Speaker 20: longer than I can remember. I remember President Obama being
[52:54] Speaker 20: called a socialist almost every single day by Republicans across
[52:57] Speaker 20: this country, and it didn't stop him from delivering not
[53:00] Speaker 20: just on a first term, but a second term, and
[53:02] Speaker 20: things that we still talk about to this day. And
[53:04] Speaker 20: I do have to push a little bit on your
[53:05] Speaker 20: own on the premise around blue and red and purple,
[53:10] Speaker 20: because I believe what's at the heart of this agenda
[53:13] Speaker 20: is the struggle of the working person. And as much
[53:16] Speaker 20: as we believe ourselves in New York to be exceptional,
[53:18] Speaker 20: we also know that working people aren't just struggling in
[53:20] Speaker 20: New York City. They're struggling everywhere across the country. And
[53:23] Speaker 20: this message is about how can we ensure that when
[53:26] Speaker 20: you work every single day, that you come home at
[53:28] Speaker 20: the end of the day and you can actually afford
[53:30] Speaker 20: to pay those bills for your housing, for your childcare,
[53:33] Speaker 20: for your groceries. How do we reduce the distance between
[53:37] Speaker 20: those two things. And here in New York City, we've
[53:39] Speaker 20: talked about building more affordable housing, universal childcare, city run
[53:43] Speaker 20: grocery stores, real tangible things. I think that these have
[53:47] Speaker 20: the potential to connect with any working person that's struggling anywhere.
[53:50] Speaker 20: And I think for those who are concerned about what
[53:54] Speaker 20: is this party, my answer would be that what is
[53:56] Speaker 20: the Democratic Party if not its voters? And what we've
[53:59] Speaker 20: seen from its vote is that people are hungry for
[54:03] Speaker 20: a vision of the Democratic Party that has more to
[54:05] Speaker 20: do with the New Deal than with the raw deal
[54:08] Speaker 20: that so many Americans have been forced to accept over
[54:11] Speaker 20: these last few years.
[54:12] Speaker 5: So on that particular point there, so what do you
[54:17] Speaker 5: say to Senator Chuck Schumer, Representative Hakim Jeffries, DNC leader
[54:22] Speaker 5: Ken Martin, and others in terms of messaging, Because again,
[54:29] Speaker 5: when I sort of see this landscape, but I see
[54:30] Speaker 5: this conversation taking place, there's a different conversation that is
[54:35] Speaker 5: taking place on CNBC on Fox News the almost the same.
[54:40] Speaker 5: Then what's happening in living rooms? And so do you
[54:44] Speaker 5: are you telling Democratic leadership lead with policies and not labels,
[54:51] Speaker 5: because if you lead with a label, people automatically start
[54:55] Speaker 5: thinking something totally different.
[54:57] Speaker 20: But what I would say is not to listen to me,
[55:00] Speaker 20: but to listen to the voters themselves, because when those
[55:03] Speaker 20: voters have spoken us, listening to them is what has
[55:06] Speaker 20: been the premise of us being able to deliver for them.
[55:08] Speaker 20: And I think you're onto something in the focus of
[55:12] Speaker 20: the agenda, not being how you describe it, but in
[55:15] Speaker 20: fact what it's delivering for people. You know, I'll tell you,
[55:18] Speaker 20: As a democratic socialist, oftentimes I'm asked what is it meant?
[55:21] Speaker 20: In my conversations with New Yorkers, And most often when
[55:24] Speaker 20: I've knocked on a door. When I was running to
[55:26] Speaker 20: be mayor, people didn't ask me how I describe my politics.
[55:28] Speaker 20: They just asked if there was room in my politics
[55:31] Speaker 20: for them. And there was a time when we were
[55:33] Speaker 20: very clear as to what this politics meant. You know,
[55:36] Speaker 20: you think about freedom from fear, freedom from want, freedom
[55:39] Speaker 20: of worship. These are the kinds of things, the ways
[55:42] Speaker 20: that we would describe what this could mean. Today, for
[55:45] Speaker 20: a lot of Americans, it feels like politics is irrelevant
[55:48] Speaker 20: to their struggles. It feels like it's something that the
[55:51] Speaker 20: less time they spend on it, the better that they feel.
[55:53] Speaker 20: And we want politics to be something that not only
[55:56] Speaker 20: a few people can afford to think about, but rather
[55:58] Speaker 20: something that can deliver the many the dignity that they
[56:01] Speaker 20: have long been denied.
[56:03] Speaker 5: We will last talk. We talked about education. We talked
[56:05] Speaker 5: about charter schools. Listen, you spend a ton of money
[56:09] Speaker 5: in New York City on the schools their parents who
[56:11] Speaker 5: are not happy or the education their kids are getting.
[56:15] Speaker 5: And so how do you make that quick turnaround? If
[56:18] Speaker 5: a parent's got a kid in ninth grade, they can't
[56:21] Speaker 5: wait for a four or five year plan to finish
[56:23] Speaker 5: their kid is gone.
[56:26] Speaker 20: I think first and foremost, you have to actually listen
[56:28] Speaker 20: to parents and understand what kind of obstacles they're facing
[56:32] Speaker 20: in their child receiving the world class public education that
[56:35] Speaker 20: they deserve. Too often, what we do is explain away
[56:38] Speaker 20: the problem, then actually recognize it and start to plan
[56:41] Speaker 20: how do we respond to it. One of the first
[56:43] Speaker 20: things that I did was bringing Chancellor Kamar Samuels, who
[56:45] Speaker 20: has been doing a very good job in the work
[56:48] Speaker 20: of leading what is the nation's largest public school system,
[56:50] Speaker 20: and one thing that truly appealed to me when I
[56:53] Speaker 20: was considering him and continues to me as he has
[56:55] Speaker 20: led this public school system has been his insistence on
[56:59] Speaker 20: the importance of both rigor and an integrated school system.
[57:02] Speaker 20: Too often, what you will find is that these two
[57:05] Speaker 20: words are posed as if they are somehow at odds,
[57:08] Speaker 20: when in reality they are both reflections of a functioning
[57:12] Speaker 20: and successful school system. And so what our focus has
[57:15] Speaker 20: been is how do we put the investments into our
[57:18] Speaker 20: school system that are necessary. A lot of them you
[57:21] Speaker 20: were bringing up a student in ninth grade who can't
[57:22] Speaker 20: afford to wait four years. A lot of it has
[57:24] Speaker 20: to do with how do we bring in the investment
[57:26] Speaker 20: before they're in ninth grade so that we're not trying
[57:28] Speaker 20: to catch up after the fact. So a lot of
[57:30] Speaker 20: our work has been that one point two billion dollar
[57:33] Speaker 20: agreement with the governor to deliver universal childcare for two
[57:36] Speaker 20: year olds for the first time, to fix the system
[57:38] Speaker 20: for three year olds because too many parents were saying, Okay,
[57:41] Speaker 20: I've got a seat, but I have to walk two
[57:42] Speaker 20: three fourth miles in order to drop my child off there.
[57:45] Speaker 20: How do we bring that closer to home? And then
[57:48] Speaker 20: how do we also pour in the investments to ensure
[57:51] Speaker 20: the children who require a specialized program that those children
[57:56] Speaker 20: and those parents are actually receiving the support that they
[57:58] Speaker 20: need so their children can flourish in these educational settings.
[58:01] Speaker 20: Because for a long time, what we've seen is the
[58:04] Speaker 20: city ability to provide that kind of support to children
[58:08] Speaker 20: of special needs. It then pushes those families out of
[58:11] Speaker 20: the public school system, and it fails in the spirit
[58:15] Speaker 20: of what the system should be.
[58:17] Speaker 5: We were given twenty minutes. They telling me we got
[58:19] Speaker 5: a close by twelve minutes in, so let me ask
[58:22] Speaker 5: this final question. And I lovely to come.
[58:25] Speaker 20: Back, So absolutely we'll come back.
[58:28] Speaker 5: It's three months left, three months before the election, and
[58:32] Speaker 5: I believe one of the greatest mistakes that politicians keep making,
[58:36] Speaker 5: or even groups they say, we need you to vote, Well,
[58:39] Speaker 5: I can't get somebody to vote unless they're registered. I
[58:41] Speaker 5: can't get them registered unless I'm really explaining to them
[58:45] Speaker 5: why public policy matters and why they actually have to vote.
[58:51] Speaker 5: Or are you telling these candidates how they have to
[58:53] Speaker 5: communicate and how do they appeal to low propensity voters
[58:59] Speaker 5: or voters who have checked out of this process. Because
[59:02] Speaker 5: ninety million people did not vote in the twenty twenty
[59:05] Speaker 5: four election, move a five percent. Kamala Harris is sitting
[59:08] Speaker 5: in the oval office, and I just fundamentally believe, especially
[59:12] Speaker 5: for African Americans, Democrats are not spending enough money, enough
[59:16] Speaker 5: time that they're using an old playbook. Your campaign, I believe,
[59:21] Speaker 5: showed people how you should be running in two thousand
[59:25] Speaker 5: and twenty five, twenty twenty six. What are you telling
[59:29] Speaker 5: other Democrats nationally in terms of what they should be
[59:31] Speaker 5: doing well?
[59:33] Speaker 20: First, I just want to say thank you for the
[59:34] Speaker 20: kind words, and I think to your point, we have
[59:39] Speaker 20: to stop lecturing voters as to why this election is important,
[59:43] Speaker 20: and we have to start earning their interest and their support,
[59:46] Speaker 20: and the quickest way to do that is by speaking
[59:48] Speaker 20: to them about a political agenda that they understand as
[59:51] Speaker 20: relevant to their struggles. Too often, it sounds like we're
[59:54] Speaker 20: putting forward a policy where a voter is spending more
[59:56] Speaker 20: time trying to decide if they're eligible for that policy
[1:00:00] Speaker 20: then whether it's going to motivate them to actually vote
[1:00:02] Speaker 20: for that policy. And to me, I think about the
[1:00:04] Speaker 20: early days of the Democratic Party, some of the slogans
[1:00:07] Speaker 20: and phrases that came out of it, A chicken in
[1:00:09] Speaker 20: every pot. These are the kinds of things where you
[1:00:11] Speaker 20: didn't have to think and wonder what that meant and
[1:00:12] Speaker 20: who it was for. It was a universal message as
[1:00:15] Speaker 20: to what that politics would deliver for you. We need
[1:00:18] Speaker 20: to be able to deliver on that kind of universalism
[1:00:20] Speaker 20: and have it direct to the working class voters across
[1:00:23] Speaker 20: this country who have for a long time not seen
[1:00:25] Speaker 20: themselves in our politics.
[1:00:26] Speaker 5: All Right, Mayor Mom, Donnie, I sally appreciate it. Look
[1:00:30] Speaker 5: forward to seeing you when you come through Washington, DC.
[1:00:33] Speaker 20: I look forward to it. Thank you so much.
[1:00:35] Speaker 5: All right, thanks a lot. All right, let's go to
[1:00:37] Speaker 5: our panel.
[1:00:37] Speaker 4: Greg thoughts, Well, that's how you do it, man Broland. Frankly,
[1:00:43] Speaker 4: that is how you do it.
[1:00:46] Speaker 15: You asked him about the thing that I think many
[1:00:49] Speaker 15: folks have been talking about, which is the representation in
[1:00:53] Speaker 15: his administration. I think that's very low, very low on
[1:00:57] Speaker 15: my list of provities. But I understand aimed of course.
[1:01:00] Speaker 15: The Deputy Mayor for Community Safety Leader Francois also Camar Samuel,
[1:01:04] Speaker 15: Samuel's chance the schools. But most importantly, and by the way,
[1:01:10] Speaker 15: just a footnote here for folks who may that I know.
[1:01:12] Speaker 15: David Dinkins was a card carrying member of the Democratic
[1:01:15] Speaker 15: Socialists of the Mayor. He spoke at the Socialist International
[1:01:18] Speaker 15: meeting in nineteen ninety, shortly after being elected mayor, and
[1:01:21] Speaker 15: he talked about public education, strong envibrant unions, among other things.
[1:01:26] Speaker 4: Fiardello LaGuardia was not a car.
[1:01:28] Speaker 15: Carrying member the Democractic Socials of America, and he ran
[1:01:31] Speaker 15: from mayor was elected crisis the Republican. When he ran
[1:01:34] Speaker 15: for Congress, he ran on the socialist ticket because he
[1:01:37] Speaker 15: couldn't get the Republican nomination, and in office he governed
[1:01:40] Speaker 15: like a socialist. Anybody who thinks so I don't know
[1:01:43] Speaker 15: about socialism. Do you know about public transit? Do you
[1:01:46] Speaker 15: know about public housing? Do you know about subsidized education,
[1:01:49] Speaker 15: public education? All those the socialist principles. Anyway, back to
[1:01:53] Speaker 15: the point, Mam, Donnie is able to put things in
[1:01:57] Speaker 15: a very very accessible way to evoke a chicken in
[1:02:01] Speaker 15: every pot.
[1:02:01] Speaker 4: Puts it whereas Joe Madison say, the goats could get it.
[1:02:04] Speaker 15: But he does it in a way that allows him
[1:02:07] Speaker 15: to take the ventral the attacks. And make no mistake
[1:02:11] Speaker 15: about it, the attacks of the White Nationalist Party against
[1:02:13] Speaker 15: him are about one thing, and one thing only wealth.
[1:02:18] Speaker 15: And so when you asked him about people losing their
[1:02:20] Speaker 15: houses after he led with the deed theft policy that
[1:02:24] Speaker 15: he is pushing. He responded with, oh, yeah, none of
[1:02:27] Speaker 15: the people. We're not going after them, that's not going
[1:02:30] Speaker 15: to be a problem. We're going to after people who
[1:02:31] Speaker 15: got a second home and worth more than five million dollars.
[1:02:35] Speaker 4: In other words, the people we should all be looking
[1:02:37] Speaker 4: with a left EyeT.
[1:02:38] Speaker 15: But we live in a society where Zara Mamdani is
[1:02:41] Speaker 15: effective by doing exactly what you asked him about and
[1:02:44] Speaker 15: told him, which was taking the labels off. He pushed
[1:02:49] Speaker 15: back a little bit, and I would even go so
[1:02:51] Speaker 15: far as to say, I don't know that there was
[1:02:52] Speaker 15: a pushback as much as it was you gave.
[1:02:54] Speaker 4: You gave him an alley up and he dunked it.
[1:02:56] Speaker 4: But here's the thing.
[1:02:58] Speaker 15: Nobody is going to r that you should have affordable
[1:03:02] Speaker 15: health care and education.
[1:03:04] Speaker 4: And by the way, the.
[1:03:05] Speaker 15: Special admins this year Bronx High School of Science, the
[1:03:09] Speaker 15: school that Madni went to, for example, all public schools
[1:03:12] Speaker 15: have an abysmal acceptance rate for black students. Asian students,
[1:03:17] Speaker 15: sky high Latino students, abysmal Black students worse than.
[1:03:21] Speaker 4: That are tied with that. He was very upset about that,
[1:03:25] Speaker 4: But I think that has to change. But what he
[1:03:27] Speaker 4: said there about the not.
[1:03:30] Speaker 15: Separating rigor and integration, that that's chef's kiss, because what
[1:03:37] Speaker 15: he's saying is this person born in Uganda whose middle
[1:03:40] Speaker 15: name is quatme for Quame and Krumer. He is saying
[1:03:43] Speaker 15: that we must now have a society where everyone has
[1:03:49] Speaker 15: a floor under them.
[1:03:51] Speaker 4: To be able to reach for their full human potential.
[1:03:54] Speaker 15: But we're not judging people by how far they go
[1:03:57] Speaker 15: in society, but by the fact that they live in
[1:04:00] Speaker 15: the society. That is a message that only the racists
[1:04:03] Speaker 15: and the millionaires will rejected, and he's not scared of
[1:04:06] Speaker 15: either one of those groups.
[1:04:08] Speaker 5: Now, let me be very very clear, Larry, I do
[1:04:17] Speaker 5: not give a damn about Tucker Carlson. I believe he
[1:04:23] Speaker 5: is a fraud. I believe he is a white supremacist.
[1:04:27] Speaker 5: But there was this conversation here with Steven A. Smith
[1:04:31] Speaker 5: that in many ways he sounds like Mom, Donnie. Listen.
[1:04:37] Speaker 21: This has been going on for over sixty years, and
[1:04:40] Speaker 21: don't think it's actually helped that much. It's made people
[1:04:42] Speaker 21: hate each other, but it's also obscuring the true crisis
[1:04:46] Speaker 21: in the country, which has nothing to do with race
[1:04:49] Speaker 21: and has to with economics and the people benefiting from
[1:04:52] Speaker 21: the private equity scams and the crypto scams and all
[1:04:55] Speaker 21: the other scams underway in the American economy. We don't
[1:04:57] Speaker 21: really produce anything. We just lend money at high interest,
[1:05:00] Speaker 21: sell real estate again and again. Those people are getting
[1:05:03] Speaker 21: richer than everyone else, the billionaire class, and they don't
[1:05:07] Speaker 21: want to deal with questions about how exactly this works.
[1:05:09] Speaker 21: Why are they paying half the taxes that you're paying
[1:05:12] Speaker 21: as a wag journer, Like, I don't really get that,
[1:05:13] Speaker 21: and they don't want to have to defend it. So
[1:05:15] Speaker 21: instead they're like, the real problem is race, and these
[1:05:18] Speaker 21: whites are just bad and they've taken all the stuff. Well, actually,
[1:05:22] Speaker 21: if you look at the numbers, that's insane. One of
[1:05:25] Speaker 21: the biggest groups of poor people in this country's white.
[1:05:27] Speaker 21: Are they privileged? I don't think they are, so, Like,
[1:05:29] Speaker 21: it's not about race. We should treat all American citizens equally.
[1:05:34] Speaker 21: That's the whole point of the civil rights movement, that's
[1:05:37] Speaker 21: the whole point of the Constitution. And we're not and
[1:05:39] Speaker 21: we should And then just say, look, it's not about
[1:05:41] Speaker 21: ignoring the crimes of the past, which we should not do.
[1:05:45] Speaker 21: We should never lie about anything. It's just about being
[1:05:48] Speaker 21: honest about what's actually happening. And the real problems stem
[1:05:51] Speaker 21: from the way our tax code is structured, and most
[1:05:54] Speaker 21: people don't even think about it because no one in.
[1:05:56] Speaker 4: The media ever talks about it.
[1:05:57] Speaker 21: It's like, really, so if I invest money, I pay
[1:06:00] Speaker 21: half the tax rate as if I go to work.
[1:06:03] Speaker 21: So are we saying that it's twice as virtuous to
[1:06:06] Speaker 21: invest or to get inherited money as it is to
[1:06:08] Speaker 21: have a job. That's what we are saying because we
[1:06:10] Speaker 21: tax things we want to discourage. That's why cigarettes are expensive.
[1:06:14] Speaker 21: So like, are you really gonna say with a straight
[1:06:16] Speaker 21: face that you're like twice as good a person because
[1:06:19] Speaker 21: you inherited money as I am because I go to
[1:06:21] Speaker 21: work every day.
[1:06:22] Speaker 4: Because that's what we're saying, right.
[1:06:24] Speaker 21: So in a normal country, you just like have a
[1:06:25] Speaker 21: revolution people like I'm not putting up with this. But
[1:06:27] Speaker 21: in our country, because every conversation is controlled by the
[1:06:30] Speaker 21: media filter, we don't even know what's happening, and so
[1:06:33] Speaker 21: people are like, well, my life sucks. It must be
[1:06:35] Speaker 21: the whites or in some white so like it must
[1:06:37] Speaker 21: be the blacks or whatever. It's like, this is racial foment.
[1:06:41] Speaker 21: This is racial conflict, which is created by the people
[1:06:45] Speaker 21: who are taking all all.
[1:06:47] Speaker 5: Right, let's be real clear. First of all, the reason
[1:06:49] Speaker 5: he's full of shit with all of this is because
[1:06:51] Speaker 5: he engaged in this racial warfare when he was at
[1:06:55] Speaker 5: Fox News two. It is beyond idiotic to remove race
[1:07:01] Speaker 5: from the conversation because race is a huge part of
[1:07:04] Speaker 5: the conversation. And yes, Tucker, poor white people do have
[1:07:10] Speaker 5: a privilege being white. But see, that's also the problem
[1:07:12] Speaker 5: layer that I've always said with the phrase white privilege,
[1:07:15] Speaker 5: because when we hear privilege, we automatically think economics. Okay,
[1:07:20] Speaker 5: that's why that phrase doesn't work because because in terms
[1:07:24] Speaker 5: of what it speaks to, but the facts don't lie.
[1:07:27] Speaker 5: If a white male high school graduate is making more
[1:07:30] Speaker 5: money than a black college graduate, yeah, Tucker, that's race.
[1:07:36] Speaker 5: But the point that he's making about the economic piece,
[1:07:39] Speaker 5: billionaire class and others, that's really what we're dealing with here.
[1:07:43] Speaker 5: The fundamental issue in this country is that those with
[1:07:46] Speaker 5: money want to make more money. They want to pay
[1:07:50] Speaker 5: as less as possible. Those with money, they those individuals,
[1:07:56] Speaker 5: what they want to do is they want to sit
[1:07:58] Speaker 5: here and say, hey, you know what five billion is
[1:08:01] Speaker 5: not enough. I really need ten billion. Then when they
[1:08:03] Speaker 5: get ten billion, I really need fifteen billion. In this country,
[1:08:07] Speaker 5: we glorify wealth. We just I mean, we just get
[1:08:11] Speaker 5: so excited and we get I mean, CNBC, Bloomberg, those
[1:08:15] Speaker 5: are cheerleading channels because they're not actually questioning what these
[1:08:20] Speaker 5: folks do. So what Mandannie is saying in New York
[1:08:24] Speaker 5: when he's saying, and he built a tweet out a
[1:08:26] Speaker 5: couple of hours ago, saying, if you own a second
[1:08:29] Speaker 5: home worth more than five million dollars in New York City, yeah,
[1:08:33] Speaker 5: you're about to be paying more, I like. And then
[1:08:37] Speaker 5: the people go, oh my god, that's unfair.
[1:08:39] Speaker 4: What are you talking about.
[1:08:40] Speaker 5: You can't even afford that.
[1:08:45] Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, rolling there's a lot of really great points here.
[1:08:50] Speaker 18: So remember the back in the day, it was the
[1:08:51] Speaker 18: show Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, right, and we
[1:08:53] Speaker 18: watch some people watch soci shows and watch rich people.
[1:08:56] Speaker 18: Jet said by four or five ten million dollar homes
[1:08:59] Speaker 18: in applaud. So let's talk about the you know, things
[1:09:03] Speaker 18: like the estate tax. And so you have these billionaires
[1:09:06] Speaker 18: you highlighted who have fought tooth and nail, and one
[1:09:11] Speaker 18: with the last massive tax builder was passed in the
[1:09:13] Speaker 18: beginning of Trump administration that has made them richer. And
[1:09:17] Speaker 18: this is an example of how capitalism cannot save black folks.
[1:09:21] Speaker 18: And you're right this idea as it relates to economics,
[1:09:24] Speaker 18: that you can pull economics and racism apart. When we've
[1:09:28] Speaker 18: seen the New York Times and other periodicals talk about
[1:09:31] Speaker 18: the tens of thousands of colleges. You get black women
[1:09:35] Speaker 18: who are unemployed right now, so you can't pull those
[1:09:38] Speaker 18: two pieces apart. The other thing is, I'm going to
[1:09:40] Speaker 18: go back to the mayor's point about housing, and I
[1:09:43] Speaker 18: know you've talked about this ango The show housing stock
[1:09:46] Speaker 18: in New York City is it's one of the highest
[1:09:49] Speaker 18: and toughest places to live in terms of you don't
[1:09:51] Speaker 18: have enough income. But also this idea about affordable housing,
[1:09:55] Speaker 18: and it's also what we're seen here, not just recently
[1:09:58] Speaker 18: but over several years, in which elderly black folks and
[1:10:01] Speaker 18: other black folks have had their homes stolen from them, brownstones,
[1:10:05] Speaker 18: beautiful brownstones stolen from them. Some have end up homeless.
[1:10:09] Speaker 18: You've decimated black wealth. And I was glad to see
[1:10:12] Speaker 18: he created this agency to address this because this has
[1:10:15] Speaker 18: been going on for a long time and Native New
[1:10:18] Speaker 18: Yorkers know about this. But overall, in terms of the
[1:10:21] Speaker 18: point you're making about this idea about wealth and white
[1:10:24] Speaker 18: and black folks is I made the point before my
[1:10:26] Speaker 18: parents lived on Jim Crow. So this idea that you
[1:10:30] Speaker 18: can pull racism and economics and education apart and it's
[1:10:34] Speaker 18: not part. This is not part of the American deal.
[1:10:37] Speaker 18: I wouldn't argue, and so my parents would that that's
[1:10:40] Speaker 18: not the case. And so we have to continue as
[1:10:44] Speaker 18: Americans to make sure, he said, recognize what happened in
[1:10:47] Speaker 18: the past, but we also have to connect it to
[1:10:50] Speaker 18: how the live experiences of people like me and other
[1:10:52] Speaker 18: folks whose parents could not benefit from certain economic opportunities
[1:10:57] Speaker 18: or educational opportunities, and that we're still from behind. Why
[1:11:01] Speaker 18: it looks and feels like because we're having as educated
[1:11:04] Speaker 18: black folks having this conversation, what more could we have
[1:11:08] Speaker 18: if our parents didn't have the burden of dealing with
[1:11:11] Speaker 18: systemic racism as relates to many of the issues that
[1:11:13] Speaker 18: continue in our society today.
[1:11:17] Speaker 5: Again, the people who are truly freaking out about zoram
[1:11:20] Speaker 5: Amdani are the folks with a whole bunch of money.
[1:11:23] Speaker 5: All Right, we come back, we'll talk with the black
[1:11:25] Speaker 5: president of the American Medical Association. We'll talk to this
[1:11:28] Speaker 5: brother about the issue of black white and health and
[1:11:33] Speaker 5: how it has to be addressed and confronted in an
[1:11:37] Speaker 5: anti DEI world. You're watching Roland Martin unfiltered on the
[1:11:41] Speaker 5: Black stud.
[1:11:41] Speaker 19: Network, with medicine and science under attack. I want to
[1:11:48] Speaker 19: keep you and your family informed and healthy. I'm doctor
[1:11:51] Speaker 19: Ebony Hilton, and I knew at the age of.
[1:11:53] Speaker 14: Eight that I wanted to be a doctor.
[1:11:55] Speaker 19: So I studied hard and became the first African American
[1:11:58] Speaker 19: female and sociologist at the Medical University.
[1:12:01] Speaker 11: Of South Carolina since it's opening in eighteen twenty four.
[1:12:05] Speaker 11: And I always say I was made into a doctor,
[1:12:07] Speaker 11: but I was born to be a mother.
[1:12:09] Speaker 19: And as a new mom, wife's, sister, daughter, and friend,
[1:12:12] Speaker 19: I understand how finding a medical crisis candy. I care
[1:12:16] Speaker 19: for individuals on some of the worst days of their lives,
[1:12:19] Speaker 19: and it's my mission to provide you with a safe
[1:12:22] Speaker 19: space against clarity on issues affecting your mind body. So
[1:12:26] Speaker 19: I recognize that there are health disparities, particularly as.
[1:12:29] Speaker 11: It pertains the race, and I want to help bridge
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[1:12:39] Speaker 19: I would like, as first from various medical pills, to
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[1:12:45] Speaker 19: the vaccine debate, mental and central health, medical bias, infertility, menopause,
[1:12:51] Speaker 19: Andrew Pauls, nutrition and aging. Together with my medical colleagues,
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[1:12:59] Speaker 11: Don't miss it. Thursday's only on the Blackstar Network.
[1:13:09] Speaker 5: All right, folks, they begin persa for a second. My
[1:13:11] Speaker 5: mom had questions about her Medicare, so she called Chapter
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[1:13:18] Speaker 5: saying it's a great benefit. It was easy, a real
[1:13:21] Speaker 5: person who walked her through the whole thing. And now
[1:13:23] Speaker 5: she understands better what's going on because also it's not
[1:13:26] Speaker 5: just her. Woman in Yonkers wrote in saying the process
[1:13:29] Speaker 5: was so simple, the enrollment was easy, and she was
[1:13:32] Speaker 5: so glad she called. And there's Maryland, ninety years old
[1:13:35] Speaker 5: in Florida, living on Social Security. Her premium climbed every
[1:13:39] Speaker 5: single year north of four hundred dollars a month for
[1:13:42] Speaker 5: coverage she could barely afford anymore. So what does she do?
[1:13:45] Speaker 5: She called Chapter if they found her the same top
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[1:13:52] Speaker 5: and finally somebody in her corner. I hear stories like
[1:13:55] Speaker 5: that again and again from our community. The Medicare system
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[1:14:41] Speaker 22: The country that was never What are we doing as
[1:14:44] Speaker 22: we are talking about eighteen year old Nolan Wells his
[1:14:47] Speaker 22: family searched for answers and the way that our own
[1:14:50] Speaker 22: trauma is showing up in how we are reacting to
[1:14:53] Speaker 22: where it.
[1:14:54] Speaker 23: Was Nolan in the ninety minutes between when you're claiming
[1:14:56] Speaker 23: you last saw him and when you actually left the island,
[1:14:59] Speaker 23: because minutes.
[1:15:00] Speaker 4: Is a lot of time.
[1:15:01] Speaker 5: So where was he?
[1:15:03] Speaker 9: Tuned in on the other side of change only on
[1:15:05] Speaker 9: the Blackstar Network.
[1:15:13] Speaker 5: This is Eric Dickerson, and you're watching Roland Martin unfiltered posts.
[1:15:28] Speaker 5: The other day we showed you a correctial testimony about
[1:15:30] Speaker 5: the anti DEI attacks. Also we talk also in the
[1:15:34] Speaker 5: medical area. Did you know that less than five percent
[1:15:38] Speaker 5: of US physicians are African American? As we say, at
[1:15:41] Speaker 5: the House Education and Workforce Committee held a hearing examining
[1:15:44] Speaker 5: medical schools and how they so called becoming effected with
[1:15:47] Speaker 5: woke ideology and of course taking resources away which as
[1:15:51] Speaker 5: a result of training the degeneration of doctors. Diversity is
[1:15:55] Speaker 5: critical in the medical field, especially when you talk about
[1:15:58] Speaker 5: for care. Doctor Willie Underwood, the third is the one
[1:16:00] Speaker 5: hundred and eighty eight one hundred and eighty first president
[1:16:03] Speaker 5: of the American Medical Association, the nation's largest medical group.
[1:16:07] Speaker 5: He joins us right here, Doc glad dagging the show
[1:16:11] Speaker 5: to be on the show man. Let's be here, yees, sir,
[1:16:14] Speaker 5: Let's chump right into it. You know that that hearing
[1:16:19] Speaker 5: it is. It is shameful and despicable when you see
[1:16:22] Speaker 5: the right wing attacks of medical schools on diversity, as
[1:16:27] Speaker 5: if you know, we're being overrun by unqualified black folks,
[1:16:33] Speaker 5: Latinos and others. And what kills me is they ignore
[1:16:37] Speaker 5: the data which shows empirically how the disparity between how
[1:16:43] Speaker 5: black patients are treated when they have white doctors and
[1:16:46] Speaker 5: black doctors.
[1:16:50] Speaker 4: Well, there's a couple of things.
[1:16:52] Speaker 17: They also leave out the fact that inequities and healthcare
[1:16:56] Speaker 17: in this country cost US four hundred and fifty beauty
[1:17:00] Speaker 17: dollars a year and by twenty forties, es to it
[1:17:03] Speaker 17: to be a trillion dollars will probably occur before twenty
[1:17:06] Speaker 17: forty because of the healthcare changes and Medicaid and snap
[1:17:11] Speaker 17: benefits and stuff like that. So that is a significant
[1:17:15] Speaker 17: cost to this nation that we all pay. Right, So
[1:17:19] Speaker 17: you know what you hit on is this is that
[1:17:22] Speaker 17: we know that when you have physicians that are concordinate.
[1:17:26] Speaker 17: That means that when black patients have black physicians, and
[1:17:30] Speaker 17: it works the same thing with Hispanics and Native Americans
[1:17:33] Speaker 17: as well, their health outcomes are better. Newborn survival rates
[1:17:38] Speaker 17: increased by fifty percent. Adherence to preventive care increases by
[1:17:43] Speaker 17: nineteen percent, life expectancy increases, And if you don't mind,
[1:17:47] Speaker 17: I want to tell you a story of how that
[1:17:49] Speaker 17: really plays out in society and healthcare delivery. So you know,
[1:17:53] Speaker 17: when I was a medical student, we had it was
[1:17:56] Speaker 17: in clinic, an internal medicine clinic, and a patient really
[1:18:00] Speaker 17: collapsed in the lobby, collapsed and they examined her and
[1:18:04] Speaker 17: her blood pressure was extremely low.
[1:18:07] Speaker 4: They tried to it.
[1:18:07] Speaker 17: They said, you need to be admitted in the hospital.
[1:18:09] Speaker 17: She said, no, call my family. I want to go home.
[1:18:12] Speaker 17: And the doctors knew that she needed to be admitted.
[1:18:15] Speaker 17: They were trying to provide her care and they said
[1:18:18] Speaker 17: things like, if you go home, you're gonna die, da die,
[1:18:21] Speaker 17: A lot of stuff they said that, and she says,
[1:18:24] Speaker 17: I don't really care. I want to go. So they
[1:18:26] Speaker 17: said okay. They had her waiting in a patient's room alone.
[1:18:29] Speaker 17: So I said, well, can I go talk to her now?
[1:18:31] Speaker 17: I want to talk to her now. Interesting when I
[1:18:33] Speaker 17: looked at this lady, what I saw was my grandmother.
[1:18:36] Speaker 17: And I set back and said, well, if I was
[1:18:38] Speaker 17: talking to my grandmother, what would I tell her? What's
[1:18:41] Speaker 17: really important to my grandmother? And I said, hmm, it
[1:18:44] Speaker 17: was important to my grandmother.
[1:18:45] Speaker 5: Me.
[1:18:46] Speaker 17: My grandmother cares about me and more than she cares
[1:18:48] Speaker 17: about everything because telling her she's gonna die, she's someone
[1:18:51] Speaker 17: who believes in God. So she said, I'm gonna go
[1:18:53] Speaker 17: home to my Lord to be free. So I ain't
[1:18:55] Speaker 17: worried about dying. But when I talked to her about
[1:18:57] Speaker 17: her family, talked to her about her grand you, and
[1:19:00] Speaker 17: then I asked her, I said, what chose your favorite grandchild?
[1:19:04] Speaker 17: And then she told me And I said, well, what's
[1:19:06] Speaker 17: your favorite grandchild going to do? And I named her
[1:19:08] Speaker 17: by Nate when you die? And she says what I said, yeah,
[1:19:12] Speaker 17: because that's what we're talking about. They're not going to
[1:19:15] Speaker 17: have you here. So let's figure out why you don't
[1:19:18] Speaker 17: want to be admitted. And she told me, I don't
[1:19:20] Speaker 17: want to be experimented on. And I said, okay. She said,
[1:19:23] Speaker 17: I don't trust the system. I said, and she gave
[1:19:25] Speaker 17: rational reasons why, and I said, And we had our
[1:19:29] Speaker 17: first black served black, first black internal medicine chief resident.
[1:19:35] Speaker 17: I called him up and said, will you admit her
[1:19:37] Speaker 17: to your service? Because I promised this woman you will
[1:19:40] Speaker 17: get care, that they will treat you with respect care
[1:19:43] Speaker 17: that you deserve, and she trusted me enough to be
[1:19:46] Speaker 17: admitted to the hospital and get the care that she needs.
[1:19:49] Speaker 17: That's what we're talking about.
[1:19:55] Speaker 5: But they said they don't understand it. And here's the
[1:19:57] Speaker 5: thing that trips me out. You go to places like Mississippi,
[1:20:02] Speaker 5: you go to other places, and you got poor whites
[1:20:06] Speaker 5: who need health care. And we're seeing with the deportation
[1:20:13] Speaker 5: efforts or the target of Haitians, what's going to happen
[1:20:16] Speaker 5: when it comes to many of those Haitian nurses and
[1:20:19] Speaker 5: other places as well. And so they're targeting individuals immigrants
[1:20:24] Speaker 5: of the country who are providing health care to Americans
[1:20:28] Speaker 5: and saying no, no, no, all, give me an American doctor. Well,
[1:20:31] Speaker 5: if you run the immigrants out, you going to see
[1:20:33] Speaker 5: an even more shortage in rural places and even in
[1:20:38] Speaker 5: many inner city places.
[1:20:41] Speaker 17: So we know that we have a physician shortage in
[1:20:44] Speaker 17: this country by about eighty thousand. We know that we
[1:20:47] Speaker 17: don't have parody when it comes to the populations. That
[1:20:51] Speaker 17: means that Blacks are thirteen percent of population, they should
[1:20:54] Speaker 17: be five percent of the physicians. We know that Hispanics
[1:20:57] Speaker 17: are now I think sixteen percent of the popkcat relation,
[1:21:00] Speaker 17: but they're about five to six percent of the physicians.
[1:21:03] Speaker 17: You know, Native Americans are one point three percent, but
[1:21:06] Speaker 17: they're like zero point three percent of physicians. So we
[1:21:09] Speaker 17: should have parody, and we should have a workforce that's
[1:21:13] Speaker 17: trained well enough to be able to provide care to
[1:21:16] Speaker 17: all our citizens so that we have a healthy, robust,
[1:21:21] Speaker 17: productive society. Now, doing every campaign, from the President to
[1:21:28] Speaker 17: the Senate, to Congress, to the governors to state houses,
[1:21:33] Speaker 17: no one talks about health care and the health of
[1:21:37] Speaker 17: our nation and how do we improve it. We don't
[1:21:40] Speaker 17: have any debates on that, we don't have really discussion
[1:21:43] Speaker 17: about it. So therefore we don't know how they think
[1:21:46] Speaker 17: when they get in there who we're voting for when
[1:21:49] Speaker 17: it comes to how do we create a healthcare system
[1:21:52] Speaker 17: that works for us, not just for some of us,
[1:21:55] Speaker 17: but for us some of us sum the totality of
[1:21:59] Speaker 17: our society, and you're absolutely correct, we have failed to
[1:22:02] Speaker 17: do that.
[1:22:06] Speaker 5: What do you say, what is the AMA's position when
[1:22:10] Speaker 5: it comes to medicare for all, because that is a
[1:22:13] Speaker 5: huge discussion in many of these political campaigns.
[1:22:18] Speaker 17: Well, that's an interesting question. So we believe that everyone
[1:22:21] Speaker 17: should have access to top quality care. Everyone should have
[1:22:25] Speaker 17: access to physicians who are able to have a team
[1:22:29] Speaker 17: around them to provide optimal care. Okay, so now when
[1:22:33] Speaker 17: we think about that, so people say, well, how do
[1:22:36] Speaker 17: you achieve that now if you have so universal health
[1:22:41] Speaker 17: care and Medicare for all are not really just there.
[1:22:46] Speaker 17: So Medicare is a potential universal health care right, Medicare
[1:22:51] Speaker 17: for All and other options are potential universal healthcare. Now,
[1:22:56] Speaker 17: the question is this, if we had Medicare for all
[1:23:00] Speaker 17: today and they decided to cut the budget like they
[1:23:03] Speaker 17: did Medicaid, where would Medicare for all be? They took
[1:23:08] Speaker 17: a trillion dollars out of the Medicaid budget over a
[1:23:12] Speaker 17: ten year period. So you want a system where the
[1:23:15] Speaker 17: government can switch at any point and decide that they're
[1:23:18] Speaker 17: not going to fund it. What other countries are facing
[1:23:21] Speaker 17: right now trying to figure out how to maintain the
[1:23:24] Speaker 17: financial structure around providing health care to our nation, I
[1:23:28] Speaker 17: think what we have to do in ima and same
[1:23:31] Speaker 17: thing that we got to figure out how do we
[1:23:33] Speaker 17: provide care to right now three hundred and sixty million people,
[1:23:37] Speaker 17: that we should create a system that's able to provide
[1:23:40] Speaker 17: care for five hundred million people because we hope our
[1:23:44] Speaker 17: population grows, right, and we have and we're prepared for.
[1:23:47] Speaker 5: That our panel.
[1:23:51] Speaker 15: Great call you first, sorry about it, Thank you, rolling
[1:24:00] Speaker 15: and thank you as well at doctor Underwood as a
[1:24:05] Speaker 15: son of Morehouse. As a more House man, I know
[1:24:06] Speaker 15: you understand, particularly one who was raised up under the
[1:24:09] Speaker 15: great heat Gloucester.
[1:24:11] Speaker 4: I know you understand the incredible importance of black institutions.
[1:24:17] Speaker 15: Any thoughts on how we can continue to widen and
[1:24:20] Speaker 15: strengthen the pipeline to create more black doctors so that
[1:24:24] Speaker 15: you can have more your colleagues do exactly what you
[1:24:26] Speaker 15: did was was placed that elder in the hands of
[1:24:30] Speaker 15: a person of African descent who understood that connection.
[1:24:33] Speaker 4: I'm thinking about Morehouse.
[1:24:34] Speaker 15: School of Medicine and Howard University, and of course Maharry
[1:24:37] Speaker 15: which has that pipeline with Tennessee State.
[1:24:39] Speaker 3: UH.
[1:24:40] Speaker 15: One of the great, uh, the great physicians, levi Oy Watkins,
[1:24:43] Speaker 15: a Tennessee State graduate, of course, made his mark and
[1:24:45] Speaker 15: bones at Johns Hopkins.
[1:24:47] Speaker 4: How can we really strengthen that, particularly in a moment.
[1:24:50] Speaker 15: When uh, these white nance does have seemed to somehow
[1:24:54] Speaker 15: think that anything black is inferior, and and and and
[1:24:58] Speaker 15: an adjacent question that I had any thoughts on this
[1:25:01] Speaker 15: cap that passed in this bill last year that caps
[1:25:05] Speaker 15: even medical education the way I had to stand it
[1:25:08] Speaker 15: at I think it's fifty thousand dollars a year up
[1:25:11] Speaker 15: to two hundred thousand dollars total. What effect might that
[1:25:15] Speaker 15: have on folks trying to finance their medical education?
[1:25:19] Speaker 17: The thank you, Well, I'm gonna answer that. I'm going
[1:25:21] Speaker 17: to answer the second question first, and that's the question
[1:25:26] Speaker 17: that I believe I can safely answer, so that that
[1:25:30] Speaker 17: it's going to have a major it's going to have
[1:25:32] Speaker 17: a major impact, right because some students are coming out
[1:25:35] Speaker 17: with three hundred to five hundred thousand dollars in debt.
[1:25:38] Speaker 17: So that cap will underline to a certain degree, our
[1:25:43] Speaker 17: ability to fund and I mean our I mean our
[1:25:46] Speaker 17: community's ability to fund medical school education, especially if you
[1:25:51] Speaker 17: have undergrad that too. So if medical school that is
[1:25:55] Speaker 17: two hundred thousand and you have fifty sixty seven or
[1:25:58] Speaker 17: even one thousand under that, then you will be over
[1:26:02] Speaker 17: over the cap and that creates a financial burden.
[1:26:05] Speaker 4: All right.
[1:26:05] Speaker 17: Then my second comment is this, So that's significant. So
[1:26:09] Speaker 17: that's something that we ought to be trying to overturn, right,
[1:26:13] Speaker 17: or come up with a model, a system where we
[1:26:16] Speaker 17: actually pay that we can fund physicians education that actually works.
[1:26:21] Speaker 17: Because the idea that in this country we're paying, you know,
[1:26:25] Speaker 17: two hundred three hundred, five hundred thousand dollars to become
[1:26:28] Speaker 17: a physician, while we're given a to the countries and
[1:26:32] Speaker 17: nuclear weapons the countries that where people get to become
[1:26:35] Speaker 17: physicians for free. That makes no sense to me as
[1:26:38] Speaker 17: a person, and it shouldn't make it a sense of
[1:26:41] Speaker 17: us as society. So we should be at a fund
[1:26:43] Speaker 17: medical school, education, education in general education. And we believe
[1:26:47] Speaker 17: that's good for the society. From the other aspect as speaking,
[1:26:51] Speaker 17: You've mentioned Morehouse, you mentioned Levi Watkins and Tennessee State
[1:26:55] Speaker 17: and these things. Listen, We've been here before, right, been
[1:27:00] Speaker 17: here before. This is you know we we we know
[1:27:02] Speaker 17: the history. So we have to create what we need
[1:27:07] Speaker 17: to create, regardless of where we are and the times
[1:27:11] Speaker 17: that we're in, right you know again, you know I
[1:27:14] Speaker 17: I My story is that four women said in the
[1:27:17] Speaker 17: room and say we need the doctor the lawyer of
[1:27:19] Speaker 17: your family, because it's going to be the lawyer. There
[1:27:21] Speaker 17: was no idea how that was going to happen, right,
[1:27:24] Speaker 17: I mean, you know, back then teachers were telling me
[1:27:26] Speaker 17: I was too stupid to be anything right, So they
[1:27:29] Speaker 17: didn't say, well, here's the reality that we're in. Everybody
[1:27:32] Speaker 17: thinks you're stupid. But they said, no, we're gonna make
[1:27:35] Speaker 17: this happen. So let's let's do that. Let's do that
[1:27:38] Speaker 17: that has to be our are who we are.
[1:27:41] Speaker 4: Let's go back.
[1:27:41] Speaker 17: And I'm not saying go back because we haven't. We
[1:27:44] Speaker 17: We're in where we are and we've always been in
[1:27:46] Speaker 17: where we are, so we just have to continue to
[1:27:49] Speaker 17: move forward. Now we have to say education is extremely
[1:27:58] Speaker 17: important and period, and we have to identify the needs
[1:28:05] Speaker 17: of our community and educate our children to fulfill those needs. Period.
[1:28:11] Speaker 18: Yes, Larry, Yeah, So thank you for peering. This is
[1:28:18] Speaker 18: a really important discussion. I want to talk about, you know,
[1:28:20] Speaker 18: as someone who's already in higher ed. You know, in
[1:28:23] Speaker 18: my experiences with these DEI you know this at the
[1:28:26] Speaker 18: state and federal level. These attacks particularly come when it
[1:28:29] Speaker 18: comes to training future physicians, and then go a little
[1:28:33] Speaker 18: further the pregnancy related death rate between black women and
[1:28:38] Speaker 18: white women. And I'm wondering, you know what impact this
[1:28:41] Speaker 18: will have on you know, having these discussions about racism
[1:28:46] Speaker 18: and you know, doing a medical school, particularly when it
[1:28:49] Speaker 18: comes to issues relating like pain. The research on pain
[1:28:52] Speaker 18: tolerance in terms of these stereotypes of some physicians have
[1:28:55] Speaker 18: that black people have can deal with more pain compared
[1:28:58] Speaker 18: to other groups. And like I said, as it relates
[1:29:01] Speaker 18: these pregnancy disproportion of races in which Black women die
[1:29:04] Speaker 18: from pregnancy related that regardless of social economic status, and
[1:29:07] Speaker 18: you can talk about that.
[1:29:10] Speaker 17: Well, so I'm gonna hit the pain thing first. The
[1:29:12] Speaker 17: pain part is quite interesting. On one end, we believe
[1:29:16] Speaker 17: there's thoughts that black people have different pain tolerance, and
[1:29:19] Speaker 17: then on the other end, when black people complain about pain,
[1:29:22] Speaker 17: they think that they're drug seeking, right, So that's the problem.
[1:29:28] Speaker 17: So when you try to say, well, how do we
[1:29:30] Speaker 17: educate people differently to change these sort of stereotypic thoughts,
[1:29:36] Speaker 17: we have to be open to that. And again, the
[1:29:39] Speaker 17: context of that discussion is that when we get it wrong,
[1:29:43] Speaker 17: it adds to the cost for all of us. That's
[1:29:45] Speaker 17: where the four hundred and fifty billion dollars a year compact. Now,
[1:29:49] Speaker 17: what is that That's more than the cost of what's
[1:29:51] Speaker 17: smoking does to our healthcare system and cardiovascar disease. That's
[1:29:56] Speaker 17: a significant amount of money. So I think we have
[1:29:59] Speaker 17: to talk about it in that way, not just the
[1:30:02] Speaker 17: fact that, yes, eighty six thousand look at David Satcher's work,
[1:30:06] Speaker 17: eighty six thousand additional deaths occur in the black community
[1:30:10] Speaker 17: because of care not being delivered the same Okay, right,
[1:30:16] Speaker 17: eighty six thousand additional deaths. That's eight hundred and sixty
[1:30:20] Speaker 17: thousand people over a ten year period, all right, So
[1:30:24] Speaker 17: there's going to have significant issues at multiple levels when
[1:30:27] Speaker 17: we talk about these things, every aspect that we're talking about.
[1:30:30] Speaker 17: And we know that that black women and poor women, right,
[1:30:35] Speaker 17: but black women died disproportionately in childbirth, and we're going
[1:30:41] Speaker 17: to get it wrong, and if we continue to get
[1:30:44] Speaker 17: it wrong, it's going to be bad for our society.
[1:30:53] Speaker 5: You certainly appreciate it. Lad you could join us. I'd
[1:30:56] Speaker 5: love to have you back on the show. This is
[1:30:57] Speaker 5: the issue that we're always talking about. We launched, of course,
[1:31:01] Speaker 5: our show Second Opinion with doctor Eboney Jade Hilton, our
[1:31:04] Speaker 5: weekly show that deals with health issues because we know
[1:31:08] Speaker 5: how critically important that is to our community.
[1:31:11] Speaker 17: Hey, thank you very much. It was great to be here,
[1:31:14] Speaker 17: and I look forward to coming again and I hope
[1:31:17] Speaker 17: to see you at the NABJ.
[1:31:19] Speaker 5: Absolutely, I will, I will. Well, I'm vice president Digital,
[1:31:22] Speaker 5: so I kind of got to be there, So I'll
[1:31:24] Speaker 5: be there when I walk.
[1:31:26] Speaker 17: Up to you like you don't know me, not when
[1:31:30] Speaker 17: I walk up to you and say hello on that
[1:31:31] Speaker 17: like you never seen me before.
[1:31:33] Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I will, I will. I appreciate it. Thanks
[1:31:37] Speaker 5: a lot. All Right, you gotta go to the break.
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[1:31:51] Speaker 5: it out to be. We'll also talk about the tobacle
[1:31:53] Speaker 5: at Howard University over the issue of the incoming students.
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[1:33:52] Speaker 5: Hey, I'm Malcolm Lee and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered,
[1:34:13] Speaker 5: following as a George Floyd and Breonla Taylor. In twenty twenty,
[1:34:17] Speaker 5: Corporate America made all sorts of vows, including JP Morgan
[1:34:21] Speaker 5: Chase a Chase vow to be a leader inclosure of
[1:34:23] Speaker 5: the racial wealthcap. The bank players thirty billion dollars in
[1:34:27] Speaker 5: lending and financial support for black business owners. Now, one
[1:34:30] Speaker 5: of the executives who helped lead those efforts has followed
[1:34:33] Speaker 5: an explosive lawsuit in which she claims the bank actually
[1:34:37] Speaker 5: decreased support for black entrepreneurs, and a forty nine page
[1:34:41] Speaker 5: lawsuit filed this week. Former JP Morgan Chase vice president
[1:34:45] Speaker 5: Rashida Winfrey. The letters her former workplace is full of
[1:34:49] Speaker 5: racial bias and gender harassment. Among her allegations is that
[1:34:53] Speaker 5: JP Morgan executives disparage black business owners, including Ryan Wilson,
[1:34:57] Speaker 5: owner of the gathering spot as D Coles, who were
[1:35:00] Speaker 5: unable to be helped because they did not pay their
[1:35:04] Speaker 5: bills or joining us down to discuss the lawsuit is
[1:35:07] Speaker 5: Rashida Winfrey, as well as her attorney uh Tan vere Rahman,
[1:35:11] Speaker 5: a partner with the is it a Filipaedos Filapios I've
[1:35:15] Speaker 5: done on the pronouncement Filipados law firm. Glad to have
[1:35:21] Speaker 5: y'all here. Okay, So, Rashida, we worked for Chase. Were
[1:35:25] Speaker 5: you based? Where were you based? Atlanta?
[1:35:27] Speaker 2: New York?
[1:35:27] Speaker 5: Where were you based?
[1:35:29] Speaker 4: So?
[1:35:30] Speaker 24: I was hired by a New York team and initially
[1:35:33] Speaker 24: reported into New York. My work spanned the entire country,
[1:35:40] Speaker 24: but I was hired like I sat in Atlanta.
[1:35:43] Speaker 14: But my work, you know, was all over We had leads.
[1:35:47] Speaker 24: A lot of the work was actually during COVID, so
[1:35:50] Speaker 24: you know, we really were just working across the entire country.
[1:35:55] Speaker 24: I was the fourth person hired on what ended up
[1:36:00] Speaker 24: being I think like a seventy person team or something
[1:36:03] Speaker 24: like that.
[1:36:03] Speaker 14: So we worked all over the country.
[1:36:06] Speaker 5: I remember when announcement was made, there were commercials that
[1:36:10] Speaker 5: they were running on the air, the advancing Pathways. I
[1:36:14] Speaker 5: remember seeing they were sponsoring various things that were that
[1:36:19] Speaker 5: were you know, post on LinkedIn and on social media.
[1:36:23] Speaker 4: Uh.
[1:36:24] Speaker 5: And I know some people who actually work people I've
[1:36:28] Speaker 5: come across as well.
[1:36:30] Speaker 3: Uh.
[1:36:31] Speaker 5: But you lay out that they really weren't advancing black business.
[1:36:38] Speaker 14: No, not at all.
[1:36:39] Speaker 24: And what you just said, Roland is actually how I
[1:36:42] Speaker 24: ended up in my role. Chase came looking for me.
[1:36:46] Speaker 24: I was gainfully employed and I had you know, worked
[1:36:50] Speaker 24: in a somewhat of a partnership or worked on a
[1:36:52] Speaker 24: partnership with JP Morgan Chase, and they had just made
[1:36:58] Speaker 24: this announcement about a bold thirty billion dollar commitment to
[1:37:03] Speaker 24: help close the racial wealth gap. And so when Chase
[1:37:06] Speaker 24: came calling, I mean that was right up my alley.
[1:37:10] Speaker 24: I was, you know, raised between two cities that are
[1:37:14] Speaker 24: parts of the cradle of the civil rights movement. I
[1:37:17] Speaker 24: was raised between Southwest Atlanta and Salmon, Alabama. So I
[1:37:21] Speaker 24: was raised by you know, foot soldiers of Salmon, Alabama.
[1:37:25] Speaker 24: But my career had always been in finance, and so
[1:37:29] Speaker 24: in banking. And so when Chase said, hey, thirty billion dollars,
[1:37:34] Speaker 24: we're going to help solve some of the you know
[1:37:37] Speaker 24: ills and you know impacts that our communities have seen,
[1:37:41] Speaker 24: especially during COVID, I was excited. I jumped at the opportunity.
[1:37:47] Speaker 24: So that is exactly how I ended up at JP Morgan.
[1:37:51] Speaker 5: Chase and looking at the allegations in here you talk
[1:37:57] Speaker 5: about you lay out your role in the places that
[1:38:00] Speaker 5: you worked as well, but the sexual harassment you endured
[1:38:07] Speaker 5: and the treatment, the treatment of black businesses. When you
[1:38:13] Speaker 5: specifically talk about what Jim Morgan Chase officials said about
[1:38:18] Speaker 5: Ryan in the gathering spot, and they were so was it.
[1:38:22] Speaker 5: They were upset with criticisms that he had leveraged against him,
[1:38:28] Speaker 5: and so therefore they made those comments.
[1:38:32] Speaker 24: So the interesting thing is, I wouldn't even call them criticisms.
[1:38:37] Speaker 24: Ran as an educated I think he has a pop background,
[1:38:42] Speaker 24: it was just natural for him to ask questions. And
[1:38:45] Speaker 24: so he had questions about kind of the results of
[1:38:49] Speaker 24: the racial equity commitment, this thirty billion dollar commitment, And
[1:38:54] Speaker 24: simply because he had questions and wanted some clarification, he
[1:38:57] Speaker 24: wanted to know how to better support his community.
[1:39:02] Speaker 14: Members. Right, the gathering spot is all.
[1:39:04] Speaker 24: About community and kind of you know, lifting members, you know,
[1:39:08] Speaker 24: rise together.
[1:39:10] Speaker 14: So I wouldn't say he was complaining. It was just
[1:39:14] Speaker 14: it wasn't upset.
[1:39:14] Speaker 24: It was basic questions that anyone with you know, half
[1:39:19] Speaker 24: a brain would ask, and for whatever reason, that was
[1:39:23] Speaker 24: just especially upsetting to Chase, you know, leadership. In hindsight,
[1:39:29] Speaker 24: I know now that it was probably because there were
[1:39:32] Speaker 24: no real results for them to share with, you know,
[1:39:36] Speaker 24: with Ryan Wilson.
[1:39:38] Speaker 14: But yeah, they began to call him radical.
[1:39:41] Speaker 24: You know, at the time, his business was you know,
[1:39:45] Speaker 24: kind of going through uh, some transition, and you know,
[1:39:49] Speaker 24: he even inquired about himself receiving you know, this part
[1:39:55] Speaker 24: of this mgnanimous uh you know, dollars that were being
[1:39:58] Speaker 24: poured into the communit that Chase spoke of. And you
[1:40:03] Speaker 24: know what we the message that we got internally was
[1:40:05] Speaker 24: don't touch him, don't touch him, don't go there, all
[1:40:09] Speaker 24: of those things. I again, being raised by foot soldiers Selma, Alabama,
[1:40:14] Speaker 24: that's not something I abided by. And more than that, internally,
[1:40:18] Speaker 24: I really started to push back on that narrative because
[1:40:21] Speaker 24: it was literally you know, kind of making its way
[1:40:26] Speaker 24: through the organization and I thought it was such an
[1:40:28] Speaker 24: unfair characterization. You know, I know Ryan generally, I know
[1:40:33] Speaker 24: his reputation, I know his father's reputation, and you know,
[1:40:38] Speaker 24: it was something I didn't take kindly to. But that
[1:40:41] Speaker 24: was one of kind of just many examples of things
[1:40:45] Speaker 24: that happened internally that were absolutely, you know, converse to
[1:40:51] Speaker 24: what we were saying publicly, are marketing you know, kind
[1:40:56] Speaker 24: of uh our marketing headline, and essentially it's hard to
[1:41:01] Speaker 24: even come up with the word for what they were
[1:41:02] Speaker 24: because they were rarely ever true. So, yes, they started
[1:41:08] Speaker 24: calling him a radical and would not even allow him
[1:41:12] Speaker 24: to apply for lending. They discouraged him from applying for lending,
[1:41:17] Speaker 24: which is against their Lending Act.
[1:41:20] Speaker 5: Dan vere That also says that regarding the loans, they
[1:41:24] Speaker 5: provided less lending to minorities after his public commitment than before.
[1:41:28] Speaker 5: The stated lending commitment was to provide an incremental two
[1:41:31] Speaker 5: billion dollars in fifteen thousand loans to businesses to business
[1:41:35] Speaker 5: in majority black and Hispanic Latino neighbor communities over and
[1:41:38] Speaker 5: above the twenty nineteen baseline of one point three to
[1:41:42] Speaker 5: five billion and such loans. However, instead of an incremental
[1:41:45] Speaker 5: positive to billion change. By December twenty twenty two, the
[1:41:49] Speaker 5: amount of loans provided by JPMC to these minority communities
[1:41:52] Speaker 5: was lower than the twenty nineteen baseline. In twenty twenty two,
[1:41:56] Speaker 5: the overall total loans to minorities have been reduced by
[1:42:00] Speaker 5: one point one eight billion from what it was in
[1:42:02] Speaker 5: twenty nineteen, which was before the r AC was even announced.
[1:42:05] Speaker 5: The results were so paltry that any mention of business
[1:42:09] Speaker 5: loans was hidden from jpmc's website touting the racial equity
[1:42:13] Speaker 5: commitments progress. You know, this is obviously a sharp contrast
[1:42:18] Speaker 5: in watching Jamie Diamond go on go out there defending
[1:42:21] Speaker 5: DEI and things along those lines.
[1:42:27] Speaker 6: Allegation in our complaints where mister Diamond was in Atlanta,
[1:42:33] Speaker 6: it was and was attending lavish dinner with.
[1:42:39] Speaker 10: Owners and executives well at the second time, and actually
[1:42:43] Speaker 10: this centner was being held in a former plantation in
[1:42:47] Speaker 10: contrast to fort to sort of you know market, you know,
[1:42:52] Speaker 10: bankers providing.
[1:42:54] Speaker 8: These resources to the inner city.
[1:42:56] Speaker 10: Right at the same time you're having the CEO, you
[1:42:59] Speaker 10: know again, project this image.
[1:43:01] Speaker 8: Hey, We're this, We're powerful, We're We're gonna throw this plantation,
[1:43:06] Speaker 8: which is you know, incredible.
[1:43:09] Speaker 10: So it was this sort of attitude of you know,
[1:43:13] Speaker 10: you know, we're on one hand, we're helping we're sort
[1:43:15] Speaker 10: of helping them, not really, we're gonna you know, sort
[1:43:17] Speaker 10: of a little you know, pajournalistic, patronizing type attitude.
[1:43:22] Speaker 8: Two words, you know, minorities.
[1:43:23] Speaker 10: Again from a perspective, you know, the bank took advantage of,
[1:43:28] Speaker 10: you know, what's going on at the world, you know
[1:43:31] Speaker 10: again the tragic murder of George Floyd, Breanna Taylor. Yeah,
[1:43:36] Speaker 10: to the opportunity, like many other companies did at this time,
[1:43:40] Speaker 10: to use that and you know, to put their own narrative.
[1:43:42] Speaker 8: Hey look we are.
[1:43:45] Speaker 10: We are here for you know, minorities. We're here to uh,
[1:43:48] Speaker 10: you know, to bring a quality, bring justice. You know
[1:43:52] Speaker 10: this lip service, you're gonna give it a few months,
[1:43:55] Speaker 10: give it so you know, you know, by by the
[1:43:58] Speaker 10: time by twenty twenty two read they're backing away from
[1:44:02] Speaker 10: you know, what they promised. So you know, it's really shameful,
[1:44:06] Speaker 10: but not surprising, you know, for its corporations are you know,
[1:44:11] Speaker 10: so say say, on the one hand, what they do
[1:44:13] Speaker 10: behind closed doors?
[1:44:16] Speaker 5: Rashida I want to play for you. This was an
[1:44:18] Speaker 5: interview with Jamie diamond and axios where DEI came up.
[1:44:24] Speaker 7: And their families and then their families for you know,
[1:44:27] Speaker 7: generations almost and so it's hard to subject your family
[1:44:30] Speaker 7: to that. And anyone who does that I applaud, But
[1:44:33] Speaker 7: it's hard.
[1:44:34] Speaker 25: Democrats are less popular than the war, less popular than Ice.
[1:44:38] Speaker 25: After these raids and shootings in Minneapolis, Like if there
[1:44:42] Speaker 25: were a stock you probably short them, like what happened?
[1:44:46] Speaker 7: I think they I think they just got too far
[1:44:50] Speaker 7: to the left and two anti business and too lack
[1:44:52] Speaker 7: of common sense. I mean when I look at things
[1:44:55] Speaker 7: like a lot of you know, it's climbing and real issue.
[1:44:57] Speaker 4: Yeah it is.
[1:44:58] Speaker 7: Did we do a lot of stuff there's intense stupid
[1:45:00] Speaker 7: we did you know?
[1:45:02] Speaker 5: And people know that? Do we overdo d I in
[1:45:05] Speaker 5: a lot of case? Yeah? We did? You know?
[1:45:07] Speaker 7: And people know that, did you know? We look at
[1:45:10] Speaker 7: do people believe that Washington's not a swamp? Like who
[1:45:13] Speaker 7: on the show thinks that would give Washington on the
[1:45:15] Speaker 7: trillion dollars that it would be well spent as opposed
[1:45:18] Speaker 7: to go out to throwing special interest groups. You know,
[1:45:21] Speaker 7: the inefficiency they see in the system is extraordinary.
[1:45:24] Speaker 5: And you know these litigation right, so Raschida, Ye're to
[1:45:27] Speaker 5: say for the over the DEI and here's this huge
[1:45:31] Speaker 5: announcement comes in twenty twenty and you're saying, hell, not
[1:45:36] Speaker 5: even two years in. Uh, they're stepping back.
[1:45:41] Speaker 14: Really, you know, it.
[1:45:43] Speaker 24: Became early on clear to to some of us who
[1:45:48] Speaker 24: were early hires that the mission that we thought we
[1:45:54] Speaker 24: were hired to do just was not there. So where
[1:45:57] Speaker 24: I think many people were shocked by the time that
[1:46:00] Speaker 24: this interview came out, a lot of us internally were not.
[1:46:06] Speaker 24: You know, it never seemed that there was a true commitment,
[1:46:11] Speaker 24: and it definitely seemed, especially when there was a change,
[1:46:15] Speaker 24: you know, in the presidency, that it gave permission to
[1:46:19] Speaker 24: just say what people have been thinking, leadership have been
[1:46:23] Speaker 24: thinking and really doing all along. And so that made television, right,
[1:46:29] Speaker 24: that made an interview that we all got to see.
[1:46:31] Speaker 24: I think he ended up having to walk a little
[1:46:33] Speaker 24: bit of that back, even though that was the truth, right,
[1:46:37] Speaker 24: that was speaking of the truth. But we had leaders
[1:46:41] Speaker 24: internally that were also saying things like, you know, why
[1:46:45] Speaker 24: do these black people feel like we.
[1:46:47] Speaker 14: Owe them something?
[1:46:48] Speaker 24: And that happened on a call that I was on,
[1:46:51] Speaker 24: and of course I pushed back, you know, my reminder
[1:46:56] Speaker 24: was I said, well, maybe they think that we're old,
[1:46:58] Speaker 24: that they're owed something because we made a public commitment
[1:47:02] Speaker 24: with for thirty billion dollars to go toward.
[1:47:06] Speaker 26: Recess I'm sorry, access and resources to support them.
[1:47:12] Speaker 24: So yeah, when I saw that, I was shocked that
[1:47:14] Speaker 24: it actually came out, and wasn't shocked that that's what
[1:47:18] Speaker 24: the belief was.
[1:47:22] Speaker 5: It obviously takes a lot to uh make a decision
[1:47:27] Speaker 5: to file in lawsuit. Uh, Tan Beer, what is your goal?
[1:47:34] Speaker 10: My goal is to that's just for Rashida. You know,
[1:47:38] Speaker 10: she's a very brave woman forward. Even before she spoke
[1:47:42] Speaker 10: to us, she had already gone to resources managers plain
[1:47:47] Speaker 10: about but she was experiencing you know, the ramping harassments, harassment.
[1:47:53] Speaker 8: So she's a very crazy coming forward in the first instance.
[1:47:57] Speaker 8: But no, we we thought her lawsuit were we're in
[1:48:00] Speaker 8: right now. We're in sernaship with New York and Manhattan.
[1:48:03] Speaker 10: Jimmy Morgan is trying to transfer the case, you know,
[1:48:06] Speaker 10: down to Georgia, which we're opposing. You know, they have
[1:48:09] Speaker 10: their ow motives for doing that, but we're opposing that motion.
[1:48:13] Speaker 10: Hopefully they cristasized that quickly and Foreard and well, so
[1:48:18] Speaker 10: now we're going to fight.
[1:48:19] Speaker 8: We're confident in Rashida, confident in our claims. I am accountable.
[1:48:25] Speaker 5: Rashida the last one here. I want to read this
[1:48:28] Speaker 5: one here. This is interesting because I remember this was
[1:48:33] Speaker 5: after twenty twenty one. I remember having a meeting with
[1:48:37] Speaker 5: JP Morgan Chase in New York and their ad agency,
[1:48:41] Speaker 5: and even communicating with the chief Global World Global Officer
[1:48:47] Speaker 5: of a JP Morgan Chase as well. So this is
[1:48:50] Speaker 5: the one that really got me. In another instance, in
[1:48:53] Speaker 5: June twenty twenty one, MS Winfrey openly classed with the
[1:48:56] Speaker 5: company's non black marketing team when it suggested a promotional
[1:49:00] Speaker 5: campaign for a virtual Juneteenth event with many team members
[1:49:04] Speaker 5: being in New York. The marketing team wanted to promote
[1:49:08] Speaker 5: the event by juxtaposing how slaves helped each other along
[1:49:12] Speaker 5: the underground railroad with how JPMC was guiding black entrepreneurs
[1:49:17] Speaker 5: to help each other through better networking. Mss Winfrey complained
[1:49:21] Speaker 5: if this strategy was deeply offensive, a sentiment shared by
[1:49:24] Speaker 5: many others outside JPMC, including Natalie Colefield, whom President Bided
[1:49:29] Speaker 5: appointed as the National Head of Women's Business for the
[1:49:32] Speaker 5: Small Business Administration. Miss Winfrey had invited Miss Colfield to
[1:49:36] Speaker 5: participate in a POUND discussion during the June tenth event. However,
[1:49:40] Speaker 5: JPMC required Miss Colfield, a black woman, to practice for
[1:49:45] Speaker 5: her appearance, but did not require the same for Mark Morrial,
[1:49:48] Speaker 5: the president of the National Urban League. Ultimately, due to
[1:49:51] Speaker 5: her disagreement with jpmc's June tenth marketing strategy of tired
[1:49:55] Speaker 5: tying slavery to entrepreneurship, coupled with the disparate treatment she
[1:50:00] Speaker 5: experience in being mandated to practice for her appearance on
[1:50:03] Speaker 5: the panel, miss Colfield declined to participate in the event.
[1:50:07] Speaker 14: Wow shocked, I mean shocked.
[1:50:15] Speaker 24: I do want to clarify that Miss Colefield's biggest.
[1:50:20] Speaker 14: Frustration was just.
[1:50:23] Speaker 24: Generally have like being able to see behind the curtains
[1:50:28] Speaker 24: of what our culture looked like and felt like behind
[1:50:33] Speaker 24: the scenes.
[1:50:34] Speaker 26: You know, most people, including me again, you're attracted and
[1:50:37] Speaker 26: you have this thought that it's.
[1:50:40] Speaker 24: You know, it's it's one of the most well respected.
[1:50:43] Speaker 24: But I think the biggest challenge was when you pull
[1:50:47] Speaker 24: back that veil and you're able to see. But yes,
[1:50:50] Speaker 24: our marketing team actually said and put in writing that
[1:50:56] Speaker 24: for juneteenth that the strategy would be that we would connect.
[1:51:00] Speaker 14: For small business owners, how business owners.
[1:51:03] Speaker 24: Now network in the same way that slaves networked in
[1:51:08] Speaker 24: order to get through the underground railroad.
[1:51:12] Speaker 26: And when I pushed back on that and suggested that
[1:51:17] Speaker 26: that would.
[1:51:17] Speaker 24: Be only offensive but confusing, but not make any sense,
[1:51:23] Speaker 24: you know, at all, of course, then the challenge was
[1:51:27] Speaker 24: me and not the ridiculousness of comparing slavery and the
[1:51:35] Speaker 24: underground railroad to those things that just fit the narrative
[1:51:39] Speaker 24: of our.
[1:51:40] Speaker 14: Thirty billion dollar commitment that truly wasn't.
[1:51:44] Speaker 5: I was appalled.
[1:51:45] Speaker 24: I remain appalled, and I have to say, I'm getting
[1:51:48] Speaker 24: heart palpitations because this entire conversation takes me back to
[1:51:54] Speaker 24: the pain and the trauma of working during this experience.
[1:52:00] Speaker 24: I was a highly crudentialed woman who was actually recruited
[1:52:06] Speaker 24: to come to this and you know, to then get
[1:52:11] Speaker 24: there and it comes to all of this. I mean,
[1:52:14] Speaker 24: who could ever, who could ever imagine that these are
[1:52:17] Speaker 24: the things that would be happening and being said about
[1:52:20] Speaker 24: a community that we publicly were saying we were supporting.
[1:52:24] Speaker 14: So that is one of the most shocking things to me.
[1:52:28] Speaker 5: Also, Roland Tavier, what are y'all seeking in damages.
[1:52:34] Speaker 17: You know, that's to be determined.
[1:52:36] Speaker 8: You know, there's characters of damages that we can obtain.
[1:52:38] Speaker 10: There's a back pay, there's emotional distress, there's beauty of
[1:52:42] Speaker 10: damages attorneys.
[1:52:43] Speaker 8: So we're gonna we're gonna seek to vullcanically. Miss Winfrey
[1:52:47] Speaker 8: has been damaged.
[1:52:48] Speaker 10: She was terminated ultimately, you know, for fogus reasons after
[1:52:53] Speaker 10: again she complained, you know, further about what she was experiencing,
[1:52:57] Speaker 10: and and yeah, she's had to had to move, she
[1:52:59] Speaker 10: had to take another job at inf're your position, and
[1:53:04] Speaker 10: so our license.
[1:53:07] Speaker 5: All to do the right.
[1:53:08] Speaker 10: Things stood up, you know, for what was right self
[1:53:12] Speaker 10: and this is what forwarded with you know, informination and
[1:53:16] Speaker 10: now in the aftermath. So, uh, you know, the chase accountable.
[1:53:22] Speaker 8: What ends the law?
[1:53:24] Speaker 5: All right, Dan, Well, we appreciate both of y'all for
[1:53:27] Speaker 5: joining us to discuss this lawsuit.
[1:53:30] Speaker 8: Thank you for having us.
[1:53:33] Speaker 5: I'm gonna go to Greg and Larry before I go
[1:53:35] Speaker 5: to our Howard story. Uh you know what, Greg, the
[1:53:38] Speaker 5: reality is. Uh, you know we called it right here
[1:53:40] Speaker 5: in this show. We very clear the people you got
[1:53:43] Speaker 5: to keep your foot on their next These companies made
[1:53:45] Speaker 5: all these multi billion dollar commitments. They were gonna they
[1:53:48] Speaker 5: were gonna fall back on those commitments. JP Morgan Chase
[1:53:51] Speaker 5: uh started rolling back their advancing pathways in twenty twenty five.
[1:53:57] Speaker 5: Didn't even last five years. It goes to show you,
[1:54:00] Speaker 5: you know, in terms of history repeats itself. This sounds
[1:54:04] Speaker 5: like exactly how white folks operated after reconstruction or during reconstruction.
[1:54:10] Speaker 4: It does, Roland, It's complicated.
[1:54:13] Speaker 5: Brother.
[1:54:14] Speaker 15: It's funny you mentioned reconstruction because it makes me think
[1:54:17] Speaker 15: about the civil rights active eighteen sixty six, of course,
[1:54:19] Speaker 15: and then the law that eventually found itself cindified in
[1:54:23] Speaker 15: places like nineteen eighty one, Section nineteen eighty one of
[1:54:26] Speaker 15: the course that you read the same complaint that I did,
[1:54:29] Speaker 15: that we did, she has Title seventh plain they're under
[1:54:32] Speaker 15: section nineteen eighty one. She's also, you know, filed with
[1:54:36] Speaker 15: the HEEOC. I don't know how that's going to work out,
[1:54:39] Speaker 15: particularly given this administration. But when I say it's complicated,
[1:54:44] Speaker 15: race isn't enough, Racial solidarity isn't enough. Representation isn't enough
[1:54:50] Speaker 15: because three of the major characters in this draw, three
[1:54:53] Speaker 15: of the major people in that complaint are black men.
[1:54:58] Speaker 4: And you know, I.
[1:54:59] Speaker 15: Suspected when I looked at how she has been harassed,
[1:55:02] Speaker 15: the texts, the salacious kind of sexual indu window track,
[1:55:06] Speaker 15: and then when I looked them up, I was like, damn, damn, damn.
[1:55:09] Speaker 15: I remember maybe about fifteen years ago I had a
[1:55:12] Speaker 15: student over at how a law school wrote a paper
[1:55:14] Speaker 15: on Title seven and how Title seven cases become more
[1:55:18] Speaker 15: complicated when everybody involved as black. You exposed Jamie Dimond,
[1:55:22] Speaker 15: of course, and he's been doing that for a long time.
[1:55:24] Speaker 15: He's come to Howard, I said, she spoke at Charter Day.
[1:55:26] Speaker 15: I'm sitting in my academic regalia laughing, like, really, this
[1:55:31] Speaker 15: is what we're doing right now. You know those Africans
[1:55:33] Speaker 15: that Bill wall Street in Manhattan as in Chase Manhattan,
[1:55:36] Speaker 15: and the literal octagon that you have as your symbol
[1:55:40] Speaker 15: is a section of a water pipe.
[1:55:41] Speaker 4: That's some of the work those captive Africans. Did you
[1:55:44] Speaker 4: gonna talk about that?
[1:55:45] Speaker 15: While these Negroes are standardary clapping, it reminds me of
[1:55:48] Speaker 15: what Hoseah Williams told James Baldwoo in Atlanta when he said,
[1:55:52] Speaker 15: this is not what doctor King was fighting for for
[1:55:55] Speaker 15: some negroes to get up into these suites and then
[1:55:58] Speaker 15: have a class division against the rest of us, and
[1:56:02] Speaker 15: reading the complaint, Sister Winfrey has been harmed and she
[1:56:06] Speaker 15: I think will be compensated. I think that mister Rockmand
[1:56:09] Speaker 15: his firm will be able to do that. I'm thinking
[1:56:12] Speaker 15: like you always think, Roland. I think we all do
[1:56:15] Speaker 15: about the structural reforms and what happens. How do we
[1:56:18] Speaker 15: hold ourselves responsible in a community when her title seventh claim,
[1:56:24] Speaker 15: her sexual discrimination plane involves more black men who worked
[1:56:29] Speaker 15: in there with JP Morgan than anything else in our community.
[1:56:34] Speaker 15: How do we address the question of responsibility when we
[1:56:37] Speaker 15: do fight to get people in those positions and some
[1:56:40] Speaker 15: of them Negroes.
[1:56:41] Speaker 4: Turn around and behave just like white men. Brother that complaint.
[1:56:47] Speaker 15: Man, I'm just sitting there shaking my head, and because
[1:56:50] Speaker 15: how many times have we seen that, Roland?
[1:56:52] Speaker 4: How many times have you seen we fight to get
[1:56:54] Speaker 4: somebody in the room.
[1:56:55] Speaker 15: And then they turn around and act like the people
[1:56:58] Speaker 15: who we were fighting to get them in the room.
[1:57:00] Speaker 4: It's a it's a difficult situation.
[1:57:04] Speaker 5: See. Uh. I remember vividly, Larry when they announced their
[1:57:10] Speaker 5: Advancing Black Pathways.
[1:57:12] Speaker 4: Uh.
[1:57:13] Speaker 5: And in fact, I'm looking here to see so this
[1:57:17] Speaker 5: is this is the actual press release it's still up
[1:57:19] Speaker 5: on their website. I didn't see a date on here.
[1:57:22] Speaker 5: Trying to you know, lays out grows existing firm, efforts
[1:57:26] Speaker 5: to expand entrepreneurs of color, phone expands the greater Washington area.
[1:57:31] Speaker 5: Oh you see this here of making the economy work
[1:57:34] Speaker 5: for more peoples, not only more obligations, a business imperative,
[1:57:38] Speaker 5: and uh, this is you know, this is you know
[1:57:42] Speaker 5: they they're quoting, uh, the Sanda Duck at CEO. This
[1:57:45] Speaker 5: is when she was with JP Morgan Chase's consumer bank.
[1:57:48] Speaker 5: She's not over uh see of another company. Strength and
[1:57:52] Speaker 5: education and job training, grow careers, build wealth, the Fellowship initiative,
[1:57:58] Speaker 5: all all this stuff, all this stuff, and so it's
[1:58:01] Speaker 5: real simple, it ain't hard. Did you meet your commitment?
[1:58:06] Speaker 5: Did you increase loans or did they decrease? And the
[1:58:11] Speaker 5: issue that I have with initiatives like this, and I
[1:58:15] Speaker 5: am always I'm always paying attention to this, Larry, is
[1:58:21] Speaker 5: are they real? Are they performative? And see this is
[1:58:25] Speaker 5: the thing that I also I need black people, black
[1:58:29] Speaker 5: organizations to stop doing. I need black organizations when these
[1:58:36] Speaker 5: initiatives roll out, and I'm talking about a series of
[1:58:41] Speaker 5: black organizations. I'm talking about civil rights groups. I'm talking
[1:58:46] Speaker 5: about advertising groups, I'm talking about all sorts of groups.
[1:58:52] Speaker 5: We gotta stop thinking that when somebody comes and presents
[1:58:56] Speaker 5: a sponsorship check, we should be handing them an award
[1:59:00] Speaker 5: for being a community partner. And see I'm always about
[1:59:06] Speaker 5: check the numbers, check the data. I have said this
[1:59:09] Speaker 5: to the NAACP, to the National Urban League, the Rainbow Push,
[1:59:15] Speaker 5: I've said it to Nan, I've said it to add Color,
[1:59:18] Speaker 5: I've said it to numerous groups. Stop letting people hand
[1:59:25] Speaker 5: us a crumb because they bought a table, or sponsored
[1:59:30] Speaker 5: a workshop, or sponsored a convention, and we're and we're
[1:59:36] Speaker 5: getting left out of billions and billions of dollars of capital.
[1:59:45] Speaker 18: Yeah, Roland, it's some really hard questions that really no
[1:59:47] Speaker 18: one wants to ask. They really don't want to ask
[1:59:50] Speaker 18: these questions. They've only had the answers. You get us
[1:59:52] Speaker 18: some really important points as a relasis, like a sponsorship.
[1:59:55] Speaker 18: We see this all the time in the black community,
[1:59:58] Speaker 18: you know, with you know, large being like this, whether
[2:00:01] Speaker 18: it's like a Black History Month or a Juneteenth or
[2:00:04] Speaker 18: you know some o there's something else related you know,
[2:00:06] Speaker 18: to to blackness in America. And they sponsored these events
[2:00:10] Speaker 18: and maybe annually for ten, fifteen, twenty years, but it's
[2:00:13] Speaker 18: a pittance. It's small numbers as you highlight it. And
[2:00:17] Speaker 18: this is a much larger issue with Chase and banking
[2:00:20] Speaker 18: in America in terms of we talked earlier about systemic racism.
[2:00:24] Speaker 18: The you know, Chase is not the first time they've
[2:00:26] Speaker 18: been called on the carpet as it relates to their policies.
[2:00:29] Speaker 18: This is a little bit of pulling back the curtain
[2:00:31] Speaker 18: and we get this and someone who's there internally to
[2:00:35] Speaker 18: unpack some of the challenges that are occurring in the
[2:00:39] Speaker 18: contradiction in terms of what the marketing team is saying
[2:00:41] Speaker 18: doing in terms of publicly, but what they're doing internally
[2:00:45] Speaker 18: or the lack thereof of their commitment to making sure
[2:00:49] Speaker 18: that black communities get an equal share of the pie.
[2:00:52] Speaker 18: In fact, more considering the challenges we mentioned, we talked
[2:00:56] Speaker 18: about Jim Crow and everything else and historically in the
[2:00:58] Speaker 18: United States and the larger issue of housing, job training,
[2:01:02] Speaker 18: et cetera that Black people have been locked out of
[2:01:05] Speaker 18: and continue to be locked out of, and then the
[2:01:07] Speaker 18: role switch in terms of George Floyd, Brianna Taylor and
[2:01:11] Speaker 18: some of the other things that some of these organizations
[2:01:13] Speaker 18: did during COVID talked about we'd commit to the Black
[2:01:16] Speaker 18: community and then their role switch because the politics and
[2:01:21] Speaker 18: this speaks to commitment to the calls and the moral
[2:01:25] Speaker 18: commitment to making sure that Black people have the opportunity
[2:01:29] Speaker 18: to do well in this country and buy homes, have
[2:01:32] Speaker 18: small business, small larger businesses, and not simply live, but
[2:01:36] Speaker 18: our communities thrive. And this proves once again pulling the
[2:01:40] Speaker 18: curtain back that not only this shit had to deal
[2:01:43] Speaker 18: with massogic one in terms of racism and racism and
[2:01:46] Speaker 18: gender out in their sex, but also larger questions about
[2:01:50] Speaker 18: the true commitment of the bank to making sure Black
[2:01:53] Speaker 18: people have or treated equally.
[2:01:55] Speaker 5: And last thing before I go to quick breaks and
[2:01:58] Speaker 5: we'll discussed the Howard University story, I also need black
[2:02:02] Speaker 5: people who helped put their name on the press release
[2:02:05] Speaker 5: to be held accountable and hold JP Morgan accountable. This
[2:02:09] Speaker 5: is the press release. JP Morgan Chase said, leveraging expertise,
[2:02:14] Speaker 5: say Cool Cologne will lead advancing Black pathways, reporting to
[2:02:17] Speaker 5: executive sponsor the Sun de Ducat. She later left the
[2:02:21] Speaker 5: comcial Another company.
[2:02:22] Speaker 4: J P.
[2:02:22] Speaker 5: Morgan Chase has also established an external advisory council to
[2:02:27] Speaker 5: offer unique expertise and inform abp's approach to driving inclusive
[2:02:32] Speaker 5: growth and communities. The Council consists of the following civic
[2:02:36] Speaker 5: and business leaders. James Bail, board director at JP Morgan Chase,
[2:02:41] Speaker 5: Dow Chemical, Chicago, Urban League, World Business Chicago and Apple.
[2:02:46] Speaker 5: Maverick Carter, business manager for Lebron James and CEO of
[2:02:50] Speaker 5: spring Hill Entertainment and Uninterrupted Richeliu Dennis, founder of Sun
[2:02:55] Speaker 5: Dial Brands, Essence Ventures and owner of Essence Communications. Kevin Art, actor,
[2:03:01] Speaker 5: comedian and CEO of Heartbeat Lol Network. Melody Hopson, President
[2:03:06] Speaker 5: of Aerial Investments, head of the Economic Club of Chicago
[2:03:10] Speaker 5: and board director at JP Morgan, Chase, Starbucks and State.
[2:03:14] Speaker 5: Lauder Andre Hoffman, founder and CEO of Culture Shift Labs,
[2:03:19] Speaker 5: Mark Mourrial, CEO of the National Urban League and former
[2:03:23] Speaker 5: Mayor of New Orleans. Soldad O'Brien, chairwoman of Starfish Media
[2:03:27] Speaker 5: Group and Broadcast Journalists. Secretary Colin Powell, former US Secretary
[2:03:32] Speaker 5: of State and US Army General, James Reed, Ashley Stewart, CEO,
[2:03:37] Speaker 5: founder and president of fire Pine Group. Secretary conn Leeza Rice,
[2:03:42] Speaker 5: former US Secretary of State, former National Security Advisor, and
[2:03:45] Speaker 5: professor at Stanford Graduate School of Business. Michael Currell, President
[2:03:51] Speaker 5: of Paul Quinn College. Now first of all, Secretary Powell,
[2:03:57] Speaker 5: he's deceased. Everybody else on here, Steell, they should be
[2:04:04] Speaker 5: saying to us, did advancing pathways meet their commitments? It's
[2:04:12] Speaker 5: called accountability. I'll be right back.
[2:04:20] Speaker 24: This week on the other side of change in black life,
[2:04:23] Speaker 24: black death, and a country that was never built for us.
[2:04:26] Speaker 22: As we are talking about eighteen year old Nolan Wells,
[2:04:29] Speaker 22: his family searched for answers and the way that our
[2:04:32] Speaker 22: own trauma is showing up in how we're reacting to
[2:04:35] Speaker 22: the need.
[2:04:35] Speaker 23: Where was Nolan in the ninety minutes between when you're
[2:04:38] Speaker 23: claiming you last saw him and when you actually left
[2:04:40] Speaker 23: the island, Because ninety minutes is a lot of time.
[2:04:44] Speaker 5: So where was he was?
[2:04:45] Speaker 14: Tuned in on the other side of change, only on
[2:04:47] Speaker 14: the Blackstar.
[2:04:48] Speaker 27: Network, I am Swaying Cash Basketball Hall of Famer, and
[2:04:57] Speaker 27: you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered.
[2:05:09] Speaker 5: Folk. Social media blew up last night and today when
[2:05:12] Speaker 5: hundreds of Howard University's incoming freshmen said they have been
[2:05:15] Speaker 5: disenrolled just weeks before they were supposed to move in
[2:05:19] Speaker 5: on Wednesday, Emails like this were sent to students who
[2:05:22] Speaker 5: had not paid at least fifty percent of their balance
[2:05:26] Speaker 5: by saying July tenth, saying they could no longer hold
[2:05:29] Speaker 5: a spot for them in the incoming class with fall
[2:05:33] Speaker 5: twenty twenty six. Multiple students said they were waiting for grants, scholarships,
[2:05:37] Speaker 5: and federal funding to clear their balance. They were not
[2:05:39] Speaker 5: aware that if the funds were not applied by July tenth,
[2:05:43] Speaker 5: they would be unenrolled. Howard Alum students and parents are
[2:05:46] Speaker 5: enraged by the university's decision and are speaking out against it.
[2:05:51] Speaker 5: First of all, let's show the statement from Howard University please.
[2:05:54] Speaker 5: They put it on social media. They released a statement
[2:05:58] Speaker 5: making it clear we understand that the update that was
[2:06:01] Speaker 5: issued yesterday is difficult and disappointing for students in their families.
[2:06:04] Speaker 5: How All University provided multiple detailed communications throughout March, April, May, June,
[2:06:11] Speaker 5: and July the first time in college students and families
[2:06:14] Speaker 5: on steps needed to secure enrollment for the fall twenty
[2:06:18] Speaker 5: twenty sixth semester. Notifications including emails, personalized financial aid information, videos,
[2:06:26] Speaker 5: and Bison prep sessions to help incoming students understand the
[2:06:32] Speaker 5: tuition payment requirements, payment plan options, the process for reporting
[2:06:36] Speaker 5: outside scholarships, and the deadlines necessary to secure their enrollment
[2:06:41] Speaker 5: joining us Right. It says students who did not meet
[2:06:43] Speaker 5: the established payment, payment arranging, or scholarship and other financial
[2:06:48] Speaker 5: aid reporting deadlines have been notified that the university can
[2:06:51] Speaker 5: no longer hold their place in the incoming class. Incoming
[2:06:56] Speaker 5: freshmen Isabella Williams. Isabella Williams receive the disenrollment email after
[2:07:01] Speaker 5: expecting her scholarship to fulfill financial requirements. Isabella posted this
[2:07:05] Speaker 5: video in response to the disappointing news.
[2:07:12] Speaker 3: I don't like being emotional, I don't like showing any
[2:07:21] Speaker 3: sort of fear, But never in my life have I
[2:07:27] Speaker 3: been so disappointed. Never in my life have I got
[2:07:34] Speaker 3: in so far.
[2:07:37] Speaker 4: And it works so hard.
[2:07:39] Speaker 9: For it to be stripped from me.
[2:07:42] Speaker 3: On a random Wednesday, what I was promised and told
[2:07:46] Speaker 3: by people that what I was doing was okay, that
[2:07:51] Speaker 3: everything was fine, and that my scholarships could come through later.
[2:07:58] Speaker 3: And then I'm suddenly unenrolled from my dream school, from
[2:08:02] Speaker 3: the school that I worked so hard to get into
[2:08:06] Speaker 3: to afford to go to because my mother wasn't able
[2:08:09] Speaker 3: to continue our education there for the same reason. This
[2:08:14] Speaker 3: is unacceptable. I'm not accepting this as I put in
[2:08:19] Speaker 3: mind out still we rise. Please be kind, Please be
[2:08:25] Speaker 3: kind to me, Please be kind to the students going
[2:08:28] Speaker 3: through this. Please be kind to yourself. If you're currently
[2:08:31] Speaker 3: a student, or if you're an incoming one, or you're
[2:08:33] Speaker 3: supposed to be an incoming one, Things work out. Things
[2:08:39] Speaker 3: will work out, I promise. I promise they will. But
[2:08:47] Speaker 3: that doesn't mean it's not hard. But I'm hoping that
[2:08:50] Speaker 3: I can get through this.
[2:08:51] Speaker 1: And I hope that this can be motivation to everyone
[2:08:54] Speaker 1: and anyone that bad things can happen and we.
[2:08:59] Speaker 3: So and some will come up the next day and
[2:09:06] Speaker 3: be able to help people the way that I want to.
[2:09:10] Speaker 3: There's nothing will stand it away in my light, even
[2:09:14] Speaker 3: if it feels like it is. I love you all.
[2:09:19] Speaker 5: I love you all very much, folks. There are a
[2:09:23] Speaker 5: number of videos like that. With incoming first year students
[2:09:27] Speaker 5: now left to their own devices, organizations like the Extra
[2:09:29] Speaker 5: Funds Foundation are now trying to step in and support.
[2:09:34] Speaker 5: They posted a statement offering aid to the incoming Howard,
[2:09:36] Speaker 5: a freshman, is sharing that the Extra Funds Foundation stands
[2:09:39] Speaker 5: with how university students facing sudden enrollment uncertainty. We recognize
[2:09:43] Speaker 5: how frightening and destabilizing this moment can be, and this
[2:09:46] Speaker 5: is exactly why EFF exists to help students navigate financial emergencies,
[2:09:50] Speaker 5: resource gaps and barriers that threaten their path to graduation
[2:09:53] Speaker 5: affect the students. The email nationals at ester funds dot
[2:09:58] Speaker 5: org with the subject Howard students support and include a
[2:10:01] Speaker 5: brief summary the deadline they are facing and a redacted screenshot.
[2:10:04] Speaker 5: When helpful, they asked, please do not email social security numbers,
[2:10:08] Speaker 5: pass words, verification codes, tax returns, or full financial account details.
[2:10:13] Speaker 5: Isabella Williams and Laverne Mickens apparent widely known for providing
[2:10:17] Speaker 5: college funding resources known as a scholarship college Mama on
[2:10:20] Speaker 5: social media. Join us right now, So, Isabella, I'll start
[2:10:24] Speaker 5: with you, Howard said. Notifications were set over a period
[2:10:30] Speaker 5: of months. Did you receive those?
[2:10:34] Speaker 9: Received those emails?
[2:10:36] Speaker 1: And I directly contacted financial office to ensure that I
[2:10:40] Speaker 1: was good to go. I talked to them about my
[2:10:43] Speaker 1: personal situation. I told them that I have external scholarships
[2:10:46] Speaker 1: that will cover the remainder of my balance, which is
[2:10:50] Speaker 1: twelve thousand dollars, and they said it was okay. I
[2:10:53] Speaker 1: submitted it through backpack. I gave them all of my
[2:10:57] Speaker 1: needed documentation and they said I was fine. So I
[2:11:00] Speaker 1: didn't enroll on a payment plan because I was told
[2:11:03] Speaker 1: not to. We understand that we were given emails, but
[2:11:06] Speaker 1: we also know that we directly communicated with Howard University.
[2:11:09] Speaker 1: So what they're saying to the press versus what they're
[2:11:12] Speaker 1: saying to us is entirely different.
[2:11:15] Speaker 5: Okay, when you say you talk to them, they assured you.
[2:11:19] Speaker 5: Did you talk? Did you detail who you talk to?
[2:11:23] Speaker 5: Were they? Were they an authority? Was it was it
[2:11:26] Speaker 5: a student? Was it an actual was it the financial
[2:11:28] Speaker 5: aid director? Who did you actually talk to?
[2:11:34] Speaker 1: I called multiple times. I think sometimes they were students
[2:11:37] Speaker 1: and other times they may have been a regular adult employee.
[2:11:40] Speaker 1: But I will say that they don't specify who it is.
[2:11:43] Speaker 1: They just say that it's Financial Aid office. And to
[2:11:46] Speaker 1: be quite frank, it takes so long to get on
[2:11:48] Speaker 1: the phone with anyone that the last thing I'm thinking
[2:11:51] Speaker 1: about is the title of who I'm talking to. I'm
[2:11:53] Speaker 1: just happy I have someone to talk to.
[2:11:56] Speaker 5: No, not, I understand that what I'm saying is, when
[2:11:58] Speaker 5: you were calling, you got these assurances. Were you noting
[2:12:03] Speaker 5: the name, the title of the person you were talking to.
[2:12:06] Speaker 5: So anything happened later, you can fall up and say no, no,
[2:12:09] Speaker 5: pay them so and so or David so and so
[2:12:13] Speaker 5: on this date told me this.
[2:12:16] Speaker 1: Well, no, because, like I just stated, we should be
[2:12:19] Speaker 1: able to trust our university. We should be able to
[2:12:22] Speaker 1: call our university, ask a question, get it answered, and
[2:12:25] Speaker 1: not have to give it a second thought. I understand
[2:12:28] Speaker 1: that some people will say, well, their reputation will precede you,
[2:12:32] Speaker 1: and you should have assumed otherwise. But I believe that
[2:12:34] Speaker 1: it's okay for students to have trust in their university
[2:12:37] Speaker 1: and we should be able to so. To answer your question, no,
[2:12:40] Speaker 1: but I genuinely did not think that I had to.
[2:12:43] Speaker 5: Well, Verne, some students were inadvertently removed in our understanding
[2:12:51] Speaker 5: that they've been added back. Any idea of actually we've
[2:12:56] Speaker 5: heard different, We've heard hundreds, we've heard five hundred. Any
[2:12:59] Speaker 5: idea of how many students would have actually been impacted
[2:13:03] Speaker 5: at Howard.
[2:13:05] Speaker 9: Hi Roland, thank you for having me on tonight.
[2:13:08] Speaker 5: I'll tell you this.
[2:13:09] Speaker 12: Between three and five pm last evening I got hundreds
[2:13:13] Speaker 12: of emails and direct messages, and I was up until
[2:13:16] Speaker 12: four o'clock this morning, answering at least three to four
[2:13:19] Speaker 12: hundred emails, so I would have to say several hundred
[2:13:23] Speaker 12: families were impacted. Some are saying five hundred, some people
[2:13:26] Speaker 12: are saying more and ask you a question of people
[2:13:29] Speaker 12: being reinstated. I did speak to a couple families that
[2:13:33] Speaker 12: were veterans that were waiting on the GI Bill and
[2:13:36] Speaker 12: other veterans benefits. I know they got priority and someone
[2:13:42] Speaker 12: from Veterans Affairs reached out to the college and got
[2:13:46] Speaker 12: their particular situation straightened out. So I know some of
[2:13:49] Speaker 12: the students that were re enrolled were families of veterans
[2:13:53] Speaker 12: with veterans benefits and the GI Bill and things of
[2:13:57] Speaker 12: that nature. But several hundred, if not five or or more.
[2:14:01] Speaker 12: I know students that had full rides that got kicked
[2:14:03] Speaker 12: out of school last night. I know Jackie Robins Scholars,
[2:14:06] Speaker 12: Robinson Bill Gates Scholars, Coca Cola kids with full tuition
[2:14:11] Speaker 12: and full ride scholarships that were either told that they
[2:14:14] Speaker 12: didn't need to get on a payment plan or they
[2:14:17] Speaker 12: tried to get on a payment plan and there was
[2:14:18] Speaker 12: a glitch to the system. They spoke to the Director
[2:14:21] Speaker 12: of Financial Aid. They also spoke to a woman named
[2:14:23] Speaker 12: Missus Fraser. They spoke to several people who gave them
[2:14:27] Speaker 12: several different conflicting messages. And so I just made a
[2:14:30] Speaker 12: video last week about how we need to be more
[2:14:33] Speaker 12: clear with parents and families and students about this entire process.
[2:14:37] Speaker 12: And I would see if it were ten or twenty
[2:14:39] Speaker 12: or maybe fifty or one hundred families they missed a deadline,
[2:14:43] Speaker 12: but five to six hundred families missing a deadline and
[2:14:46] Speaker 12: blaming the families and saying, well, they got an email
[2:14:49] Speaker 12: on July eighth or June eighth, July tenth was a deadline.
[2:14:52] Speaker 9: They should have known.
[2:14:54] Speaker 12: All of these families were told several different things, and
[2:14:57] Speaker 12: they've got screenshots, documentation, email, they've got proof.
[2:15:02] Speaker 5: So we we wanted someone from how university to come
[2:15:06] Speaker 5: on the show to explain what happened. They did not
[2:15:09] Speaker 5: provide anyone.
[2:15:10] Speaker 3: Uh.
[2:15:11] Speaker 5: They simply sent us that particular statement. Obviously, Uh, this
[2:15:18] Speaker 5: is this is a lot of people are distraught. Uh,
[2:15:22] Speaker 5: I say, I've seen numerous videos like that of Isabella
[2:15:27] Speaker 5: Isabella since this happened again, there's been there's been a
[2:15:32] Speaker 5: huge response. Have you heard from anyone with a university
[2:15:39] Speaker 5: today regarding your status?
[2:15:45] Speaker 1: No, I haven't heard anything directly from the university. I
[2:15:49] Speaker 1: called the Financial aid office, I called the burser office,
[2:15:52] Speaker 1: and I left messages for both of them that I
[2:15:54] Speaker 1: have received nothing in return. I've also emailed enrollment engagement
[2:15:58] Speaker 1: like we were we were expected to do, and I
[2:16:02] Speaker 1: got nothing in return. Luckily, I am one of the
[2:16:04] Speaker 1: students that has gotten their classes back, but I now
[2:16:07] Speaker 1: have a thirty thousand dollars bill and they haven't said
[2:16:11] Speaker 1: whether I'm actually reinstated.
[2:16:14] Speaker 9: So right now, even though I have a little bit.
[2:16:16] Speaker 1: Of hope, there's still no transparency, there's no communication, and
[2:16:21] Speaker 1: there's a bill that a lot of us have that
[2:16:22] Speaker 1: we cannot afford to pay.
[2:16:27] Speaker 5: Laverne we talk about, you know, look, cost of education
[2:16:33] Speaker 5: is insane these days. And if we if we talk about,
[2:16:39] Speaker 5: you know, what it costs to go to Howard University.
[2:16:44] Speaker 5: You know, I've talked to some folks. We're talking, you know,
[2:16:48] Speaker 5: upwards of fifty thousand dollars. And in fact, this is
[2:16:55] Speaker 5: from Howard University's own website that list various costs cost
[2:17:04] Speaker 5: estimate indirect It says that the total cost estimate you're
[2:17:07] Speaker 5: talking about could be some sixty four thousand dollars annually,
[2:17:14] Speaker 5: and I can only imagine. I mean, you listed Jackie
[2:17:18] Speaker 5: Robinson scholars, Bill Gay scholars and others. I mean, I
[2:17:21] Speaker 5: can only imagine if you're a family and you are
[2:17:26] Speaker 5: expecting a scholarship that's going to pay for all of that,
[2:17:30] Speaker 5: and a scholarship hasn't arrived. So the university is saying,
[2:17:34] Speaker 5: is no, you, as a family, you actually have to
[2:17:37] Speaker 5: make up that thirty forty fifty thousand dollars shortfall.
[2:17:43] Speaker 3: Is that?
[2:17:44] Speaker 5: Is that what they're saying here, That's.
[2:17:46] Speaker 9: What Howard is saying.
[2:17:47] Speaker 12: But as a parent of five children I've put through college,
[2:17:52] Speaker 12: this is how scholarships work, right, So scholarships are usually
[2:17:55] Speaker 12: paid out in August September the latest.
[2:18:00] Speaker 9: Colleges know this.
[2:18:01] Speaker 12: So for example, in my situation with my kids, I'll
[2:18:06] Speaker 12: get or my daughter will get.
[2:18:07] Speaker 9: An email from the scholarship.
[2:18:10] Speaker 12: We're gonna cut the check, like Scholarship America says and does,
[2:18:13] Speaker 12: will send it to you with the college's name.
[2:18:15] Speaker 9: You send it to them.
[2:18:17] Speaker 12: I forward that email to the director of financial aid.
[2:18:20] Speaker 12: They put a note in her account and they credit
[2:18:23] Speaker 12: her the amount of the scholarship because they know the
[2:18:25] Speaker 12: money's on the way. They never tell me, well, missus Mickens,
[2:18:29] Speaker 12: we know you won the scholarship, but you've got to
[2:18:32] Speaker 12: swipe your card and pay this money. What they will
[2:18:35] Speaker 12: say is you need to have possibly a zero balance,
[2:18:38] Speaker 12: either before you step foot on campus or before classes start.
[2:18:42] Speaker 12: But scholarships usually pay out in August and September, especially
[2:18:45] Speaker 12: big national, well known scholarships that are twenty thirty, forty
[2:18:50] Speaker 12: fifty thousand dollars, which a lot of these kids won.
[2:18:52] Speaker 9: These scholarships.
[2:18:54] Speaker 12: Howard is not new. How old is Howard University. They've
[2:18:58] Speaker 12: been taking these students with these scholarships for how many years.
[2:19:01] Speaker 12: They know how this works. They know how scholarships work,
[2:19:04] Speaker 12: they know how grants work. They even know how loan
[2:19:07] Speaker 12: disbursements work. And even with the big beautiful Bill and
[2:19:09] Speaker 12: the changes on July first to parent plus loans, direct, subsidized,
[2:19:14] Speaker 12: unsubsidized loans, PELL grants, SEOG grants and all of that,
[2:19:18] Speaker 12: even with those changes, the amount of money that will
[2:19:22] Speaker 12: be dispersed at a certain time, they're supposed to communicate
[2:19:25] Speaker 12: with the parents, they're supposed to communicate with the student.
[2:19:27] Speaker 9: I think what happened is students turn eighteen and what happens.
[2:19:31] Speaker 9: You've got furple laws.
[2:19:33] Speaker 12: They are talking only to the students because according to them,
[2:19:36] Speaker 12: the student is the adult, and they send all those
[2:19:38] Speaker 12: emails to their Howard dot Edu email, which, by the way,
[2:19:42] Speaker 12: they've been kicked out of schools. They don't even have
[2:19:44] Speaker 12: access to that email anymore. They're not communicating with the parents.
[2:19:48] Speaker 12: I don't know if the student's communicating with the parent.
[2:19:50] Speaker 12: There's just miscommunication all around. So, like I said, I
[2:19:55] Speaker 12: know kids with scholarships, with grants. I know kids waiting
[2:19:58] Speaker 12: on their loans parents plus loans haven't been paid out yet,
[2:20:02] Speaker 12: and of course the GI Bill and military aid hadn't
[2:20:05] Speaker 12: been paid out yet.
[2:20:06] Speaker 9: People are distraught.
[2:20:07] Speaker 12: There are people in California, Chicago, Atlanta, Texas that can't
[2:20:13] Speaker 12: just hop in a car and drive to DC, which
[2:20:15] Speaker 12: I'm suggesting at this point. They're not answering your email
[2:20:18] Speaker 12: and they're not picking up the phone. So you need
[2:20:20] Speaker 12: to you know, you need to show up. They need
[2:20:22] Speaker 12: to see your face because clearly Howard is playing in
[2:20:25] Speaker 12: everyone's faces, and you need to show up and let
[2:20:27] Speaker 12: them know this is serious and where's the pivot to
[2:20:30] Speaker 12: plan be?
[2:20:30] Speaker 9: Because I know kids that turn.
[2:20:32] Speaker 12: Down full rides to other schools to go to their
[2:20:35] Speaker 12: dream school Howard, which is now turning into their nightmare.
[2:20:41] Speaker 5: Going to my panel, Greg, you professor there Howard University. You,
[2:20:47] Speaker 5: I'm quite sure you have heard these stories before.
[2:20:53] Speaker 15: I'm I'm trying to speak very deliberately right now. This
[2:21:02] Speaker 15: is as familiar to me as the chair I'm sitting
[2:21:06] Speaker 15: here right now. I know it's not only our leader,
[2:21:10] Speaker 15: so young sister Williams, I expect to see you on campus,
[2:21:13] Speaker 15: reassured me. But I want you to know I don
[2:21:15] Speaker 15: want everybody to know. The faculty know nothing about this because,
[2:21:19] Speaker 15: as you said, the system against it. As you know,
[2:21:24] Speaker 15: we don't get any of those emails. A university is
[2:21:28] Speaker 15: this quite simply. One of my colleagues said this many
[2:21:30] Speaker 15: years ago. It is the students and the fact they're
[2:21:34] Speaker 15: not coming to the swag serve, the greet led organizations,
[2:21:38] Speaker 15: the football game, the parties.
[2:21:40] Speaker 4: They're coming to the class.
[2:21:44] Speaker 15: Everybody else is there to facilitate that enterprise and everything
[2:21:49] Speaker 15: else surrounds that.
[2:21:51] Speaker 4: When you have a system where we are.
[2:21:53] Speaker 15: Not aware of this, I'm aware of it because I,
[2:21:57] Speaker 15: like a lot of people, am in with these students
[2:22:01] Speaker 15: and their families, their communities, so I got a lot
[2:22:04] Speaker 15: of us. I didn't get nearly as much as you did.
[2:22:05] Speaker 15: It's making it because people who look at you as
[2:22:07] Speaker 15: the problem solver, and rightfully so.
[2:22:10] Speaker 4: But this is not new. This isn't just black schools.
[2:22:13] Speaker 15: When I was a young when I was at Tennessee
[2:22:15] Speaker 15: State as a second year trying to get my SEOG
[2:22:18] Speaker 15: and bog Homer Wheaton, who was the low time director
[2:22:22] Speaker 15: of financial Aid at Tennessee State, was sitting in his
[2:22:25] Speaker 15: office with a line of students outside and work whatever
[2:22:27] Speaker 15: magic he needed to work to make it work, and
[2:22:29] Speaker 15: then say, don't worry about it. So when you say
[2:22:32] Speaker 15: it is the belo that you relied to your detriment,
[2:22:37] Speaker 15: I hate to use that legal language.
[2:22:38] Speaker 4: Because I suspected maybe some lawsuits coming. But when you.
[2:22:41] Speaker 15: Relied on the person or persons you talked to, that
[2:22:48] Speaker 15: is something you should have been able to rely on,
[2:22:50] Speaker 15: because that's what, as we just heard from Sister Mickens,
[2:22:54] Speaker 15: students have been relying on for as long as scholarships
[2:22:58] Speaker 15: and aid have hit the accounts after the school starts.
[2:23:03] Speaker 15: Even now, I will end with this just for now,
[2:23:05] Speaker 15: because again I'm trying to be very deliberate about this
[2:23:08] Speaker 15: Howard said in that same statement they sent you Rowland
[2:23:11] Speaker 15: that I saw a copy of an email because somebody
[2:23:13] Speaker 15: sent it to me because we don't get those emails.
[2:23:15] Speaker 15: The fact they don't get them, y'all please understand that.
[2:23:18] Speaker 15: And then they put it on their website. Everybody can
[2:23:19] Speaker 15: look at it at the dig dot Howard dot edu
[2:23:22] Speaker 15: that the university is reviewing information related to anticipated scholarship
[2:23:26] Speaker 15: funding and other financial aid where appropriate, and will consider
[2:23:29] Speaker 15: relevant circumstances presented regarding pending scholarship awards and financial aid resources.
[2:23:34] Speaker 15: Shout out to whichever lawyer they paid to write that
[2:23:37] Speaker 15: sentence so that it's indeterminate enough to say that if
[2:23:41] Speaker 15: we continue.
[2:23:42] Speaker 4: To mess up.
[2:23:42] Speaker 15: However, if you got the GI bill, what you say,
[2:23:45] Speaker 15: since they're starting with that one first, right, all of
[2:23:47] Speaker 15: that money is going to be taken and hit.
[2:23:50] Speaker 4: But I will say this to you, sister Isabella. I'll
[2:23:53] Speaker 4: say this to you.
[2:23:55] Speaker 15: People will accuse that of being the Howard way, or
[2:23:57] Speaker 15: the Hampton way, or the more House or Spellman way.
[2:24:00] Speaker 15: This is quite frankly, the moment you have learned that
[2:24:04] Speaker 15: some of the things that are going to help you
[2:24:06] Speaker 15: rise to the top of whatever profession you're in you
[2:24:09] Speaker 15: can't trust nobody, and you got to.
[2:24:12] Speaker 4: Keep all your receipts.
[2:24:14] Speaker 15: And at the end of the day, you come see
[2:24:16] Speaker 15: us the faculty, because that's why you're there, and we're
[2:24:19] Speaker 15: gonna take care of you in the classroom and the
[2:24:21] Speaker 15: rest of that stuff. We will be shoulder to shoulder
[2:24:23] Speaker 15: with you to get that stuff into order. I expect
[2:24:27] Speaker 15: this to be worked out. But the first one then
[2:24:29] Speaker 15: you're gonna work it out is because you got on
[2:24:31] Speaker 15: social media. Trust me, You've got the skill set and
[2:24:34] Speaker 15: it's gonna help office get resolved. And I hate to
[2:24:36] Speaker 15: say that because I love how I love HBCUs I've
[2:24:38] Speaker 15: been had twenty six years and it breaks my heart.
[2:24:42] Speaker 15: I'm gonna stop talking because I you know, I made
[2:24:45] Speaker 15: me want to fight somebody.
[2:24:46] Speaker 4: Quite frankly.
[2:24:49] Speaker 5: You a university professor, obviously, if you're a student, this
[2:24:55] Speaker 5: is not what you will be want to deal with
[2:24:57] Speaker 5: in July when you think in a month head in
[2:25:00] Speaker 5: the campus.
[2:25:02] Speaker 18: Yeah, Roland, so you're right, I've been teaching a higher education.
[2:25:05] Speaker 18: I have to note that I'm also Howard alone, went
[2:25:08] Speaker 18: to Howard for graduate school and have a son who's
[2:25:11] Speaker 18: currently enrolled at another HBCU so very familiar with the
[2:25:15] Speaker 18: financial aid process, and so I do want to ask.
[2:25:18] Speaker 18: I'm curious young lady talked about the financial aid package,
[2:25:22] Speaker 18: and so I'm curious.
[2:25:23] Speaker 4: Is her financial her.
[2:25:24] Speaker 18: Scholarship something she receiving from Howard and or is it
[2:25:30] Speaker 18: are you receiving it from an external foundation, et cetera,
[2:25:33] Speaker 18: as it relates to somebody's the financial aid you're describing,
[2:25:38] Speaker 18: sure of both.
[2:25:39] Speaker 9: So I only have to pay a branding balance.
[2:25:43] Speaker 1: There is all going to be covered by external scholarships
[2:25:46] Speaker 1: and then some so I would also have a refund
[2:25:49] Speaker 1: from it as well, hoping that I couldn't pay for anything.
[2:25:54] Speaker 1: It's just that we know, as we talked about previously,
[2:25:58] Speaker 1: they don't come until August. That's how they normally are.
[2:26:01] Speaker 1: Like we talked about before, everyone knows that Howard knows
[2:26:05] Speaker 1: that they've been around long enough.
[2:26:08] Speaker 9: It's not really on us, I'll be honest. It's not
[2:26:11] Speaker 9: a reading issue at all.
[2:26:12] Speaker 1: It's just.
[2:26:15] Speaker 9: On the students and they shouldn't be dealing with this
[2:26:18] Speaker 9: right now. This is ridiculous.
[2:26:22] Speaker 5: Levrone final comment.
[2:26:26] Speaker 12: I just want to say I love black people. I
[2:26:28] Speaker 12: love black schools. My grandmother is a Howard alum class
[2:26:32] Speaker 12: in nineteen twenty one. I went to Virginia State. I
[2:26:37] Speaker 12: I'm sad because it's Black excellence. We're supposed to be
[2:26:42] Speaker 12: Black excellence. We're supposed to take care of our black kids.
[2:26:45] Speaker 12: The reason they didn't go to other schools pwi's other institutions.
[2:26:50] Speaker 12: They wanted to go to the Mecca, or they wanted
[2:26:52] Speaker 12: to go to the other hut Hampton fam You but
[2:26:55] Speaker 12: Thom Cookman, you know they want to go to these
[2:26:58] Speaker 12: schools because they want to be.
[2:27:00] Speaker 9: Immerse in their blackness.
[2:27:02] Speaker 12: And I love Howard even though the Bison things that
[2:27:04] Speaker 12: I don't, I absolutely do. I love the students, I
[2:27:08] Speaker 12: love the faculty, I love the campus. But the administration
[2:27:12] Speaker 12: leads a lot to be desired. You should be taking
[2:27:15] Speaker 12: care of these children. These are people's children. We are
[2:27:19] Speaker 12: entrusting you with our children. And I always tell my
[2:27:22] Speaker 12: clients this, and I'll leave with this. The way a
[2:27:24] Speaker 12: university or college treat you during the college admissions and
[2:27:28] Speaker 12: financial aid process is the way they'll treat you all
[2:27:31] Speaker 12: four years. You better go to the school that values you,
[2:27:34] Speaker 12: and the way they show the value is not only
[2:27:37] Speaker 12: in the financial aid package, follow the money, but in
[2:27:41] Speaker 12: how they treat you all throughout the process, and I'm
[2:27:45] Speaker 12: gonna just leave you.
[2:27:46] Speaker 5: With that in the email. Then the HOWID University is
[2:27:48] Speaker 5: saying us. They said. Students with questions about the enrollment
[2:27:51] Speaker 5: status should content the Office of Enrollment Management at Enrollment
[2:27:54] Speaker 5: Management at Howard dot edu. Student with general questions about
[2:27:59] Speaker 5: how a university scholarge ships to other financial aid should
[2:28:01] Speaker 5: contact the Office of Financial Aid at Finnaid at Howard
[2:28:05] Speaker 5: dot edu. Student with questions regarding pending scholarships and student
[2:28:09] Speaker 5: account balances should contact the Office of the Burser at
[2:28:13] Speaker 5: Burser b U R S A R Help at Howard
[2:28:17] Speaker 5: dot E d U, Isabella and Laverne appreciate it. Thanks
[2:28:20] Speaker 5: a lot, Thank you, thank you. I would say this
[2:28:26] Speaker 5: here and that is Howard says. Numerous notices were sent.
[2:28:33] Speaker 5: Folks were aware of these particular deadlines, and I totally understand.
[2:28:39] Speaker 5: I totally understand deadlines. I totally understand that. Listen, you
[2:28:42] Speaker 5: have to pay your money by a certain date. On
[2:28:46] Speaker 5: the flip side is if you have students, if you
[2:28:49] Speaker 5: have students that you know are receiving scholarships, especially from
[2:28:54] Speaker 5: major major groups like Jackie Robinson scholars and Bill Gates
[2:28:59] Speaker 5: scholars then you know when that money is coming in.
[2:29:06] Speaker 5: You know this, So to me, what makes sense. And
[2:29:10] Speaker 5: again I've reached out to President Wayne Frederick, I've reached
[2:29:15] Speaker 5: out to others directly. And my deal is very simple.
[2:29:18] Speaker 5: If I'm Howard University, I got folks working on this
[2:29:21] Speaker 5: twenty four hours round the clock. That's what I got
[2:29:26] Speaker 5: going on. Because again, what you don't want to do
[2:29:32] Speaker 5: is be getting killed and destroyed on social media. You've
[2:29:35] Speaker 5: got folks saying howid versus a billion dollar endowment houses
[2:29:39] Speaker 5: that you're not helping students whatever you want to resolve
[2:29:42] Speaker 5: the issue. And I think Laverne is right. If you
[2:29:47] Speaker 5: had twenty or thirty students, that's a different issue. You
[2:29:52] Speaker 5: got four to five hundred, that's another issue. But I
[2:29:57] Speaker 5: also want to I want to say this here, which
[2:30:00] Speaker 5: is actually which is also separate from this, because for
[2:30:05] Speaker 5: students who have scholarships and everything is being paid for
[2:30:08] Speaker 5: us a different conversation. We've seen changes to pelgraphs, We've
[2:30:13] Speaker 5: seen changes to parent plus loans. You heard us talk
[2:30:16] Speaker 5: about that earlier with the head of the AMA. When
[2:30:19] Speaker 5: it comes to our doctors and whatever, and Greg and
[2:30:22] Speaker 5: Larry I have said this my entire adult life. And
[2:30:28] Speaker 5: that is this here and I'm saying this and the
[2:30:32] Speaker 5: reason I showed that cost of Howard for a reason.
[2:30:37] Speaker 5: And again this is separate from what we just talked about.
[2:30:40] Speaker 5: But I do think this has to be said, and
[2:30:43] Speaker 5: that is I've seen a lot of folks talk about
[2:30:46] Speaker 5: this is my dream school. We discussed this last year
[2:30:50] Speaker 5: when I was a parent complaining about the cost of
[2:30:52] Speaker 5: tuition at Hampton being so high. But I'm like, but
[2:30:56] Speaker 5: you knew that going in. I'm gonna say this and
[2:31:01] Speaker 5: if folk don't like it, will then deal with it.
[2:31:05] Speaker 4: And that is this.
[2:31:06] Speaker 5: The reality is Howard may be your dream school. It's private.
[2:31:12] Speaker 5: Spelman might be your dream school. It's private. Morehouse might
[2:31:17] Speaker 5: be your dream school. It's private. I can name many
[2:31:21] Speaker 5: other private HB Hampton private. Those schools cost an incredible
[2:31:27] Speaker 5: amount of money. And I would say to any student,
[2:31:31] Speaker 5: and I send this to my nieces and nephews, you
[2:31:34] Speaker 5: will go to the school that my money can afford
[2:31:37] Speaker 5: to send you to. And I think we got to
[2:31:41] Speaker 5: have some real conversations as parents, as aunts and uncles
[2:31:47] Speaker 5: with children in what I call unrealistic expectations because and
[2:31:54] Speaker 5: what I mean by that is the cost of tuition. Now,
[2:31:58] Speaker 5: if I take Howard University has sixty four thousand dollars,
[2:32:01] Speaker 5: and again I'm talking about people who do not have
[2:32:06] Speaker 5: full rise scholarships or that's covering seventy five eighty percent.
[2:32:10] Speaker 5: I'm saying, if you are a parent of a child
[2:32:14] Speaker 5: and that child really wants to go to Howard sixty
[2:32:17] Speaker 5: four and then remember it sixty four thousand times four
[2:32:22] Speaker 5: as a quarter of a million dollars, we have a
[2:32:25] Speaker 5: factored in travel back and forth. As a quarter of
[2:32:29] Speaker 5: a million dollars, pell grant is six grand, four years
[2:32:35] Speaker 5: is twenty four thousand. You still left with two roundred
[2:32:38] Speaker 5: and twenty thousand. What I would say to what, I
[2:32:42] Speaker 5: will say this, and I don't care what anyone says.
[2:32:46] Speaker 5: I would not tell a parent to go into a
[2:32:49] Speaker 5: massive amount of debt to send your child to their
[2:32:52] Speaker 5: dream school. If there is a state HBCU where you are,
[2:32:58] Speaker 5: that's far cheaper. Again, I understand disciplines, I understand majors.
[2:33:03] Speaker 5: I understand all of those things. But I do think
[2:33:07] Speaker 5: part of the conversation when we talk about college, and
[2:33:10] Speaker 5: I'm not just talking about HVCUS. Everybody understand I was
[2:33:14] Speaker 5: the Jackcad's High School of mascul Communications. I was the
[2:33:17] Speaker 5: number one student there. I could have gone from Yates
[2:33:21] Speaker 5: and gone to Syracuse, University of Missouri, Northwestern, the places
[2:33:26] Speaker 5: that these top communication programs. But this is what I knew.
[2:33:31] Speaker 5: My brother was a year ahead of me at Texas
[2:33:33] Speaker 5: A and m my sister was right behind me. My
[2:33:36] Speaker 5: parents are gonna have three kids in college at the
[2:33:40] Speaker 5: same time. There was no way I was gonna be
[2:33:44] Speaker 5: able to go to Syracuse in Syracuse, New York, or
[2:33:48] Speaker 5: Northwestern in Chicago and Evanston outside next to Based in Chicago,
[2:33:52] Speaker 5: or go to University of Missouri, which is I think
[2:33:55] Speaker 5: is Columbia. I forgot where they are and be able
[2:33:58] Speaker 5: to afford to go there. All for years I had
[2:34:02] Speaker 5: to make a financial decision for my parents and me
[2:34:07] Speaker 5: and not what was Roland's dream school. And I know
[2:34:11] Speaker 5: some people that USC is their dream school. Greg it's
[2:34:15] Speaker 5: eighty thousand dollars a year. I know some people Larry
[2:34:21] Speaker 5: NYU is their dream school. I think NYU is one
[2:34:25] Speaker 5: hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year. And so what
[2:34:31] Speaker 5: I do hope that with this conversation spurs for parents
[2:34:36] Speaker 5: of seniors and juniors and sophomore and freshmen. Is that
[2:34:40] Speaker 5: we need to be sitting down and really talking about
[2:34:43] Speaker 5: the cost of college and what the impact is going
[2:34:46] Speaker 5: to be on parents and others, because these are real
[2:34:53] Speaker 5: numbers and we're not even talking about if your child
[2:34:56] Speaker 5: then chooses to go to graduate school.
[2:34:58] Speaker 18: Larry, Yeah, Roland, this is a really complicated issue and
[2:35:06] Speaker 18: we need a whole show. They're really drilled down on
[2:35:09] Speaker 18: issues relating to higher education. HBC used a big, big,
[2:35:13] Speaker 18: beautiful bill the changes that have took place, and I'm
[2:35:16] Speaker 18: impacted as a parent about you know, loans, et cetera,
[2:35:19] Speaker 18: and also expectations and the challenges for students who are
[2:35:24] Speaker 18: first in time, first generation students, because that's an additional
[2:35:28] Speaker 18: layer that we haven't discussed in terms of how many
[2:35:31] Speaker 18: of these students this is the first time, may be
[2:35:33] Speaker 18: the first person in their family to go to college,
[2:35:36] Speaker 18: and how to navigate, particularly if they're obviously don't they
[2:35:38] Speaker 18: don't live in DC. How to navigate not only to
[2:35:41] Speaker 18: find you an aid process, whether you're getting external or
[2:35:44] Speaker 18: internal loans, I mean financial aid, but also how do
[2:35:47] Speaker 18: you navigate after you've been admitted and once you you know,
[2:35:51] Speaker 18: to matricularly, how do you choose classes, how do you
[2:35:54] Speaker 18: what's the process the down payment? These are all some
[2:35:56] Speaker 18: of the issues my wife and I deal have dealt
[2:35:58] Speaker 18: with a set as a student as a student's in college,
[2:36:00] Speaker 18: but we both are college educated and understand how to
[2:36:03] Speaker 18: navigate that and it face the same challenges. But I
[2:36:06] Speaker 18: think the overall Roland and I'm glad we're talking about
[2:36:08] Speaker 18: this tonight, is there's a bigger story about the challenges
[2:36:12] Speaker 18: relating to higher education that far larger to Howard University
[2:36:15] Speaker 18: that we discussed as a Black community. And this is why,
[2:36:18] Speaker 18: you know, workshops and various other things are really important
[2:36:21] Speaker 18: to have these honest conversations should highlight it with students,
[2:36:25] Speaker 18: whether they take to an HBCU or PWI or some
[2:36:27] Speaker 18: other kind of minoritized, minority serving institution. But this is
[2:36:31] Speaker 18: once again a complex situation that obviously is filled with
[2:36:35] Speaker 18: some misinformation. But we need to really figure out obviously
[2:36:38] Speaker 18: how to support these systems and students, but also the
[2:36:41] Speaker 18: larger conversation about higher education and what means in the
[2:36:44] Speaker 18: Black community and attending post secondary institutions.
[2:36:47] Speaker 5: Yeah, I just you know again, you know, I've had
[2:36:53] Speaker 5: conversations Greg with with a different places and specific to HBCUs.
[2:37:05] Speaker 5: And it was shocking to me Greg the number of
[2:37:09] Speaker 5: parents and students who had no understanding of a private
[2:37:15] Speaker 5: HBCU in a public HBCU. And I'll never forget. We
[2:37:19] Speaker 5: were the Howard Theater. The late Joe Bassen was on
[2:37:24] Speaker 5: the panel, God Rest his soul, and we were discussing
[2:37:27] Speaker 5: the upcoming election, So that had to have been it
[2:37:32] Speaker 5: had to have been. I think it was. I think
[2:37:33] Speaker 5: it was a midterm election. And a brother stood up,
[2:37:39] Speaker 5: and the brother said he was blaming Obama. He was
[2:37:44] Speaker 5: complaining about the cost of education, and he said that
[2:37:47] Speaker 5: his desire was to be a university professor, and he
[2:37:51] Speaker 5: had gone to Xavier for his undergrad he had gone
[2:37:56] Speaker 5: to Tulane for his postgraduate. And he was lamenting having
[2:38:06] Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty up with some two hundred thousand
[2:38:09] Speaker 5: dollars in debt. And I was moderating. I think Joe
[2:38:13] Speaker 5: and I were. Joe and I were rather moderating. Well,
[2:38:15] Speaker 5: I was moderating and Joe was on the panel with
[2:38:17] Speaker 5: some others, and I said, hold of y'all, I'm gonna
[2:38:20] Speaker 5: take this one first. I said, here's my first question.
[2:38:24] Speaker 5: Who told you to go to a private school as
[2:38:26] Speaker 5: an undergrad and a private schools as as postgraduate. And
[2:38:31] Speaker 5: I said, how are you blaming Obama for your student
[2:38:35] Speaker 5: loan costs? And that was a decision that you made,
[2:38:40] Speaker 5: and it was crazy. He never factored in that they
[2:38:44] Speaker 5: were actually private institutions who were higher than state schools.
[2:38:54] Speaker 15: This is uh, this is the moment when I think
[2:38:59] Speaker 15: about the possibilities of black life in this country and
[2:39:05] Speaker 15: I will never give up. But it's difficult. He probably
[2:39:10] Speaker 15: didn't think about it because when we think about our
[2:39:12] Speaker 15: black schools, we don't make that distinction. We don't distinguish
[2:39:16] Speaker 15: between a World beforest and a Chainee. We don't distinguish
[2:39:19] Speaker 15: between a Lincoln University and at Tennessee State. We don't
[2:39:22] Speaker 15: distinguish between the Texas Southern or the Paul Quinn. I
[2:39:28] Speaker 15: think there are at least three different issues here. The
[2:39:31] Speaker 15: first one is that I echo with Larry what you said, brother,
[2:39:34] Speaker 15: what is college, particularly in the age of AI.
[2:39:39] Speaker 4: You know, I just finished summer school.
[2:39:41] Speaker 15: We team teacher class and air breaking studies for the
[2:39:43] Speaker 15: incoming student athletes to have coach tied to women's basketball
[2:39:47] Speaker 15: coach my man KB can he Blakeney, the men's basketball coach,
[2:39:50] Speaker 15: coach ted white football players. We had all of them,
[2:39:53] Speaker 15: the volleyball players, and you know they're on scholarship. They
[2:39:57] Speaker 15: are employees at the university affecting. And then we had
[2:40:01] Speaker 15: a class we just wrapped up with students in the
[2:40:03] Speaker 15: Social Sciences and Humanity scholarship program and the car Stem
[2:40:07] Speaker 15: scholars They are on full ride scholarship, about sixty of them.
[2:40:10] Speaker 15: Their closing ceremonies tomorrow afternoon tomorrow. They are shielded from
[2:40:15] Speaker 15: the conversation we're having right now. But what is college?
[2:40:20] Speaker 15: A lot of students and in Texas you see this
[2:40:22] Speaker 15: a lot. We're beginning to see it a lot now
[2:40:25] Speaker 15: at our schools. Students are in duel enrollment. We see
[2:40:28] Speaker 15: students showing up who have an associate's degree in high
[2:40:32] Speaker 15: school that they earned while in high school. They then
[2:40:35] Speaker 15: transfer those hours and they've effectively cut off two years
[2:40:39] Speaker 15: of their college experience thereby at a place like Howard,
[2:40:42] Speaker 15: saving one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. It's a smart move.
[2:40:46] Speaker 15: But then it asks the question, are you in college
[2:40:49] Speaker 15: to complete a course of study and graduate or are
[2:40:51] Speaker 15: you also in college as a socialization Because then you
[2:40:54] Speaker 15: get a bunch of twenty year olds and nineteen year olds,
[2:40:56] Speaker 15: twenty year olds graduating from college who perhaps are there
[2:40:59] Speaker 15: to move right through. It makes a whole lot of
[2:41:01] Speaker 15: sense fiscally. But the second of the three is what
[2:41:05] Speaker 15: is the nature of HBCU education. I think that's where
[2:41:08] Speaker 15: what you just describe comes into focus. A young man
[2:41:10] Speaker 15: wanting to be a college professor who would look at
[2:41:12] Speaker 15: me and say, I want to do what you do, well,
[2:41:14] Speaker 15: let me tell you right now, brother, if you come
[2:41:15] Speaker 15: out of quarter million dollars in debt, you in trouble.
[2:41:17] Speaker 15: Because I also teach at the law school, and I
[2:41:20] Speaker 15: know howard law students who have amassed incredible debt debt
[2:41:23] Speaker 15: they can retire in a relatively short order if they
[2:41:26] Speaker 15: take a job in big law, which means they don't
[2:41:30] Speaker 15: take the path that one of my former students who's
[2:41:32] Speaker 15: now sitting in the United States Congress summer lead to
[2:41:35] Speaker 15: the summer, ain't gonna make enough money in public service
[2:41:38] Speaker 15: to retire quar a billion dollar debt. But if you
[2:41:42] Speaker 15: go to a firm, you can retire that debt in
[2:41:45] Speaker 15: a relatively even way. I'm saying all that to say
[2:41:49] Speaker 15: that there are students and we all know them who
[2:41:52] Speaker 15: can write the check, and increasingly those students are going
[2:41:55] Speaker 15: to the private HBCUs and it is changing the nature
[2:42:01] Speaker 15: of the student body and of teaching and learning because
[2:42:04] Speaker 15: the students who come from families and communities that can
[2:42:06] Speaker 15: write the check. Quite frankly, it's a conversation we're not
[2:42:09] Speaker 15: going to have. We talked about what happened down there
[2:42:11] Speaker 15: with a chase. These students come from families whose class
[2:42:15] Speaker 15: posture may not transfer as quickly to the notion of
[2:42:19] Speaker 15: uplifting the whole community through a notion of public service
[2:42:22] Speaker 15: or community service, even though all the rhetoric is going
[2:42:25] Speaker 15: to say that, and that is something that Howard has
[2:42:27] Speaker 15: been grappling with for quite some time. This isn't a
[2:42:30] Speaker 15: question of blame. This brings me to the third and
[2:42:31] Speaker 15: final point, what are the structural issues at HBCUs.
[2:42:36] Speaker 4: You've talked to yourself with.
[2:42:39] Speaker 15: Talking about this and what has happened in the age
[2:42:41] Speaker 15: of the neoliberal university if you do not have the resources,
[2:42:44] Speaker 15: but the expectations of our people remain the same, the
[2:42:47] Speaker 15: expectations of the students remain the same. The faculty increasingly
[2:42:51] Speaker 15: frustrated because universities are now outsourcing as much as they can.
[2:42:55] Speaker 15: I wouldn't be surprised they knock on my doing one
[2:42:57] Speaker 15: time sometime and say, we want you to teach ten
[2:42:59] Speaker 15: thousand students onsome and we're gonna give the college credit everywhere,
[2:43:01] Speaker 15: because that's what they did. Try to fail with for
[2:43:04] Speaker 15: Sarah and the Ivy's tried it, Yale tried all that stuff.
[2:43:07] Speaker 15: But that third question has led in the neoliberal university
[2:43:10] Speaker 15: to the outsourcing of support staff.
[2:43:13] Speaker 4: Howard is no different. Howard's not an outlier in this.
[2:43:15] Speaker 4: What do I mean by this?
[2:43:17] Speaker 15: You call financial aid and you're getting a call center.
[2:43:21] Speaker 15: There's not no longer on campus. I can't walk in
[2:43:23] Speaker 15: and see mister Wheaton like I did forty years ago.
[2:43:25] Speaker 15: Miss Wheaton don't exist. Somebody has outsourced a lot of
[2:43:29] Speaker 15: that work. And so then what happens is with a
[2:43:32] Speaker 15: blood the situation like that, you end up in a
[2:43:34] Speaker 15: situation where, even as a young person you learn to
[2:43:37] Speaker 15: walk the campus going going to the room. Then you
[2:43:40] Speaker 15: realize instead of ten people in the versus office, there
[2:43:44] Speaker 15: is now one or two, and that stuff is now electronic,
[2:43:47] Speaker 15: and then AI is going to replace more and more
[2:43:49] Speaker 15: of it so what happens is what happened.
[2:43:51] Speaker 4: This is Howard.
[2:43:52] Speaker 15: See see I was amused by it, familiar with a
[2:43:54] Speaker 15: lot of it. But when that child said this, the
[2:43:57] Speaker 15: dawn hit. She said, they told me it would be
[2:44:01] Speaker 15: all right.
[2:44:02] Speaker 4: Let me tell you something.
[2:44:03] Speaker 15: That is the entire history of HBCU education, particularly when
[2:44:06] Speaker 15: the last finance lin it'll be okay, it's going to come.
[2:44:09] Speaker 15: We heard her saying it's gonna be okay. And then
[2:44:13] Speaker 15: something happens in a space that is no longer under
[2:44:15] Speaker 15: the direct control of the institution. It's still under control,
[2:44:18] Speaker 15: but it may be oursource, it may be an algorithm,
[2:44:20] Speaker 15: and then boom, everybody gone, and it's like, well, there's
[2:44:23] Speaker 15: nobody with any institutional memory. He says, women, I hold
[2:44:25] Speaker 15: everybody calm down, quite frankly, quite frankly.
[2:44:29] Speaker 4: I'll be candid here again. I don't want to say
[2:44:31] Speaker 4: too much.
[2:44:31] Speaker 15: But this led to a structural failure that blew up
[2:44:35] Speaker 15: buildings at Howard and other universities. When it's like, look,
[2:44:38] Speaker 15: you need to owe heads around and say, look, don't
[2:44:40] Speaker 15: take that temperature down below this degree. But when you
[2:44:43] Speaker 15: lose institutional memory, you lose that and you don't have
[2:44:46] Speaker 15: the infrastructure.
[2:44:47] Speaker 4: So this is not a blame game.
[2:44:49] Speaker 15: It's an assessment in real time of what we just saw.
[2:44:52] Speaker 15: They're going to fix this, but the simple fact of
[2:44:54] Speaker 15: the matter is they shouldn't have had to do it.
[2:44:56] Speaker 15: Between the treasures of the neoliberal university, between the questions
[2:45:00] Speaker 15: the nature of HBCU education.
[2:45:01] Speaker 4: And then the broader question of what is college.
[2:45:04] Speaker 15: Young people who have figured this out are showing up
[2:45:06] Speaker 15: at our universities now with two years of college under
[2:45:10] Speaker 15: their belt and cutting that tuition down.
[2:45:12] Speaker 4: My niece, who is a country level, top tier track.
[2:45:17] Speaker 15: Student, they want to go to Howard and she could
[2:45:19] Speaker 15: run around around on that campus.
[2:45:20] Speaker 4: Come see me. She is at North Carolina A and
[2:45:23] Speaker 4: T and having the time of her life.
[2:45:25] Speaker 15: And I wear so much A and T stuff around
[2:45:27] Speaker 15: Howard's campus they think I'm a visiting professor. I went
[2:45:30] Speaker 15: to Tennessee State University. Do you understand what I'm saying,
[2:45:34] Speaker 15: Roald Mark, I went to I am an HBCU field Nigro.
[2:45:37] Speaker 15: Please understand. If your child has Howard as a dream school, come,
[2:45:42] Speaker 15: but if you can't afford it, I promise for god,
[2:45:45] Speaker 15: Alabama State is a great, not only alternative.
[2:45:49] Speaker 4: You will not regret it.
[2:45:50] Speaker 15: You got to treat HBC used like there's one hundred
[2:45:52] Speaker 15: and five of them and it's one big campus with
[2:45:54] Speaker 15: one hundred and five locations.
[2:45:55] Speaker 5: As far as I'm concerned, I had somebody we're gonna
[2:45:59] Speaker 5: weigh over time. But this is a critically important conversation.
[2:46:02] Speaker 5: No no, no, no, no, it's not you, it's me.
[2:46:04] Speaker 5: I'm the one who took it over time. I had
[2:46:07] Speaker 5: some mine to Chad say, but this will happened when
[2:46:10] Speaker 5: white schools go to my iPad. See. This is why
[2:46:12] Speaker 5: y'all need to stop saying dumb shit. This is right here, Okay.
[2:46:17] Speaker 5: Tracking college closures and mergers, at least forty nine colleges
[2:46:22] Speaker 5: have closed or announced closures and at least forty have
[2:46:25] Speaker 5: merged since March twenty twenty. More than fifty thousand students
[2:46:30] Speaker 5: have been impacted. So I need y'all to recognize there's
[2:46:34] Speaker 5: a thing called the college cliff. We are seeing declining
[2:46:38] Speaker 5: enrollment in K through twelve, y'all. Tou Lane and Oregon
[2:46:43] Speaker 5: have announced that their decline enrollment is declining. Toulane not
[2:46:48] Speaker 5: too late. Temple Temple University, Philadelphia has talked about two
[2:46:53] Speaker 5: hundred million dollars shortfall because of declining student enrollment, y'all.
[2:46:58] Speaker 5: That's popular's populationships. I need y'all hear what I'm saying.
[2:47:01] Speaker 5: That's right, Okay, So if you're seeing fewer babies being born,
[2:47:05] Speaker 5: y'all need to see under do y'all now understand why
[2:47:08] Speaker 5: immigration is an issue. Because see I've done twenty one
[2:47:12] Speaker 5: twenty two college commencements, and when I did Morgan State's commencement,
[2:47:18] Speaker 5: the number of students from the Middle East who are
[2:47:22] Speaker 5: in the graduating class. See, y'all ain't paying attention. A
[2:47:25] Speaker 5: lot of y'all don't realize that of the nation's one
[2:47:29] Speaker 5: one hundred and seven hundred seven HBCUs or the number
[2:47:34] Speaker 5: could be higher, but let's just say of HBCUs, it's
[2:47:38] Speaker 5: about two hundred and fifty two hundred and seventy thousand students.
[2:47:41] Speaker 5: Twenty percent of the students HBCUs a non black. So
[2:47:45] Speaker 5: people need to understand what's going on here. What I
[2:47:48] Speaker 5: am saying that this is a moment that these parents
[2:47:52] Speaker 5: are going through all this stuff right now. If you
[2:47:55] Speaker 5: have a child who is a senior, or who is
[2:47:58] Speaker 5: a junior or soft more or freshman or eighth, seventh, sixth, fifth, fourth, third, second,
[2:48:07] Speaker 5: first kindergarten pre K the moment that child comes out
[2:48:12] Speaker 5: the womb. You need to be looking at the reality
[2:48:17] Speaker 5: of college education, these programs which allow you to put
[2:48:20] Speaker 5: money away that then as an investive and growth. We
[2:48:25] Speaker 5: should be maximizing in those programs because what too many
[2:48:29] Speaker 5: of us are doing. We're waiting until they graduated from
[2:48:32] Speaker 5: high school to go how we gonna pay for this.
[2:48:35] Speaker 5: The other thing, though, is, and this is why I
[2:48:36] Speaker 5: started this, is we have to make smart financial decisions.
[2:48:42] Speaker 5: I'm telling you right now. I thought about it, and
[2:48:45] Speaker 5: if I asked my brother Reggie and my sister Leavita,
[2:48:48] Speaker 5: I don't think my parents sent us a combined thousand
[2:48:53] Speaker 5: dollars in our three college careers. I don't think so,
[2:49:00] Speaker 5: because there was two more sisters, two more sisters at home.
[2:49:04] Speaker 5: So so the decision I made was an economic decision.
[2:49:10] Speaker 5: And so we are to that, y'all. We got to
[2:49:13] Speaker 5: be just real about the one hundred and three HBCUs.
[2:49:16] Speaker 5: We just got to be real about this here. And
[2:49:19] Speaker 5: I was told that thirty percent of Howard Pell grant
[2:49:25] Speaker 5: students return. That means the lowest income students, that means
[2:49:31] Speaker 5: seventy percent don't come back. That's because they can't.
[2:49:35] Speaker 4: Afford Wat's this Howard's PEAL eligible number.
[2:49:41] Speaker 15: It's the highest by far in the DC area Private
[2:49:45] Speaker 15: HBCUs take. If you were an accountant Roland, you would say,
[2:49:49] Speaker 15: oh no, y'all can't take all these PAL eligible students.
[2:49:51] Speaker 15: Why because that's the mission. Georgetown American and GW they wouldn't.
[2:49:56] Speaker 4: They wouldn't let you. Howard takes those eligible students cause
[2:50:00] Speaker 4: that's the mission. But are they setting them up?
[2:50:02] Speaker 6: Roll?
[2:50:02] Speaker 15: Is that a set up for failure? Because and that's
[2:50:04] Speaker 15: where old voting don't matter. Damn it if you don't
[2:50:07] Speaker 15: get a damn Congress and a president that will take
[2:50:10] Speaker 15: that captain that they're at a Clinton pal put in
[2:50:12] Speaker 15: place back up.
[2:50:14] Speaker 4: This is why elections matter.
[2:50:16] Speaker 5: If the PI yes, yes, yes, yeah, right and so
[2:50:21] Speaker 5: and so. The point there is the point there is
[2:50:25] Speaker 5: if you are a if you are depending on a
[2:50:28] Speaker 5: PEIL grant to go to college, Howard Spellman more House
[2:50:35] Speaker 5: could be your your dream school. I'm telling you you
[2:50:40] Speaker 5: cannot afford it because here's the other problem. And more
[2:50:44] Speaker 5: House had to deal with this here and how we'd
[2:50:46] Speaker 5: deal with all the schools deal with it. When the student, y'all.
[2:50:50] Speaker 5: When the students have to leave, they're now impacting the
[2:50:57] Speaker 5: financial aid of the next student because of default rate.
[2:51:02] Speaker 5: So I would rather and again I know folks wantes
[2:51:05] Speaker 5: go to their dream school. I would rather folk go
[2:51:10] Speaker 5: to places closer to home. I would rather you go
[2:51:15] Speaker 5: to a state school. And I'm not listening. I'm not
[2:51:19] Speaker 5: hating on private HBCUs, private pwis. I'm simply saying, goal
[2:51:25] Speaker 5: where your money can afford to send you, because the
[2:51:29] Speaker 5: goal is to graduate. The goal is not to try
[2:51:32] Speaker 5: to go to your dream school and go there for
[2:51:34] Speaker 5: one year and then come home, and now you got
[2:51:37] Speaker 5: to go to work, and then now you got to
[2:51:39] Speaker 5: go somewhere else, and now you got to come out,
[2:51:42] Speaker 5: and now all of a sudden, your college experience is six, seven, eight,
[2:51:46] Speaker 5: nine years in college. The cost of going to college
[2:51:53] Speaker 5: is arguably, and when I look at home prices, it's
[2:51:59] Speaker 5: arguing going to be the first or the second largest
[2:52:04] Speaker 5: financial decision you will make in your entire life. If
[2:52:10] Speaker 5: I'm looking at one and fifty thousand dollars a student
[2:52:14] Speaker 5: loan debt, y'all, we got to be having honest conversations
[2:52:20] Speaker 5: about you going to school where my money can afford
[2:52:23] Speaker 5: to send you, and we got to listen. And I
[2:52:26] Speaker 5: believe in aspiration, I believe in all of that. I
[2:52:30] Speaker 5: also believe in reality. And I'm telling you right I'm
[2:52:34] Speaker 5: telling you right now. I would have been insane to
[2:52:39] Speaker 5: tell my mama and daddy with a with a with
[2:52:43] Speaker 5: a fifteen hundred square foot house in Clinton Park in Houston,
[2:52:47] Speaker 5: with two with three sisters at home. Hey, I want
[2:52:53] Speaker 5: to go to the top broadcasting program in the country.
[2:52:57] Speaker 5: I want to go to Syracuse University in upstate New York.
[2:53:03] Speaker 5: And if I ain't got a full ride, how the
[2:53:05] Speaker 5: hell we going forward? That y'all is just having some
[2:53:08] Speaker 5: real conversations, all right, Larry greg I appreciate y'all joining
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