# OG 182 — Gagal Bikin Coffee Shop Murah, Sukses Bikin Cold Brew 700 Ribuan (ft. Naughty Goat)

An episode of [Underdog Podcast (aka TDOL)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1420508701), 24 Dec 2025, 1 h 31 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/57030c8/podcast/play/113011949/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-11-23%2Fa7450102-b97f-9c3a-1ae2-88f96ece2ed6.mp3

Bangkrut bikin #coffee shop pertama, merantau ke #Bali, dan…sukses bikin cold brew yang best-sellernya 700 ribu per botol? 🤯 Ini perjalanan Winston & Jen, the artisan and genius behind Naughty Goat. Lima tahun urus bisnis bareng pasangan, #viral karena aturan “kontroversial”, dan masih kekeh pertahanin idealisme. A very candid conversation that’ll make you rethink how you see yourself, and your business.

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