# The Cruelty Is The Point

An episode of [DSR's Words Matter](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1420216970), 14 Nov 2025, 39 min.

Audio: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/TRGM4982015399.mp3?updated=1763083241

As deeply disturbing as our current political situation is, the consequences of dysfunction in Washington on average Americans is what really matters. Norm Ornstein and David Rothkopf are back to discuss the devastating impact on real people of everything from DC corruption to MAGA efforts to gut essential healthcare and social services upon which tens of millions of us depend. Looking for More from the DSR Network? Click Here: https://linktr.ee/deepstateradio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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