# You Can't Fall Behind in AI if You Never Start

An episode of [CISO Series Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1391337832), 2 Dec 2025, 35 min.

Audio: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/davidspark/CISO_Series_Podcast_12-02-25.mp3?dest-id=37324

All links and images can be found on CISO Series. This week's episode is hosted by me, David Spark, producer of CISO Series, and Mike Johnson, CISO, Rivian. Joining us is John Barrow, CISO, JB Poindexter & Co. In this episode: • Building unicorns, not hunting them • Cold War frameworks for modern threats • Trading dollars for stories • Mirror, mirror on the wall Huge thanks to our sponsor, Vanta Vanta automates key areas of your GRC program—including compliance, risk, and customer trust—and streamlines the way you manage information. A recent IDC analysis found that compliance teams using Vanta are 129% more productive. Get back time to focus on strengthening security and scaling your business at vanta.com/ciso

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