# I Don't Just Guess About Effectiveness, I Make Educated Guesses!

An episode of [CISO Series Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1391337832), 4 Nov 2025, 39 min.

Audio: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/davidspark/CISO_Series_Podcast_11-04-25.mp3?dest-id=37324

All links and images can be found on CISO Series. This week's episode is hosted by me, David Spark, producer of CISO Series and Andy Ellis (@csoandy), principal of Duha. Joining us is Sara Madden, CISO, Convera. In this episode: • Optimizing for reality, not idealism • Engineering governance instead of monitoring compliance • When AI finds what humans miss • The measurement problem Huge thanks to our sponsor, ThreatLocker Human error remains one of the top cybersecurity threats. Just one wrong click can open the door to ransomware or data loss. With ThreatLocker, unauthorized apps, scripts, and devices are blocked before they can ever run. See how ThreatLocker can help you gain more control over your environment. https://threatlocker.com

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