# S5 E2 - The Future of Leadership is... Analog? with David Sax

An episode of [The Inspire Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1380867359), 20 Mar 2023, 32 min.

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Despite the promise of a digital future, staff and leaders are increasingly seeking human connection. In this conversation author David Sax discusses why analog has proven so durable in a world filled with the promises of a digital transformation. He explains why being in person is something that calls to us, what leaders should do to maximize connection in a hybrid world, and lessons for those still feeling too stuck on screens (or listening to podcasts on headphones!) 00:44 Show Intro 01:22 Welcoming David 02:22 Early childhood experiences with computers 03:49 The last generation that grew up without being always digitally connected 04:28 Covid era digital experiences - not so good 05:49 Book: Revenge of analog 06:57 Writing the new book during the pandemic 07:07 Questions he was getting at the beginning of the pandemic 09:51 Covid was a test drive of a digital future 10:24 Work world - should we go back to the office? 10:56 Unknown future 11:34 Different for everyone and every company 12:27 Difficult to find the new mix of digital vs analog 12:41 Accept that it is really difficult to get the mix right 13:40 No binary solutions to the question of how to work 14:05 Cost of going into the office and the cost of not going into the office 15:40 Embodied cognition 17:28 Burnout, zoom fatigue, dislocation 18:15 Generational differences 21:19 People just want SOME flexibility 22:13 19th century model, not a fit 23:50 Advice to people to navigate around this 25:07 What do you like and dislike about coming into the office? 26:13 Figure out what is working and what isn't 26:48 Do limited experiments 27:16 Gather data 27:59 SImplest way to inject more analog goodness into their life 28:16 Get away from the screen 29:41 Thank yous 30:22 Outro

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