# "What might the end of the rule of law look like?"

An episode of [Deadline: White House](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1367201919), 28 Oct 2026, 41 min.

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October 28, 2026, 4pm; One sign of the end of the rule of law is that facts and evidence of a case are pursued at the end stage after the targets have been identified. Another might be the end of the grand jury process, the standard procedure for obtaining a criminal indictment. Both are features, not bugs, of a Trump presidency. For more from Nicolle, follow and download her podcast, “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace,” wherever you get your podcasts. To listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads, sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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