# "Trying to convince us that up is down and black is white"

An episode of [Deadline: White House](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1367201919), 21 Oct 2026, 43 min.

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October 21, 2026, 4pm; Trying to convince us that up is down and black is white in a meeting with Vladimir Putin to discuss restarting peace talks with Ukraine, Special Envoy Steve Witkoff apparently called the Russian president a "humanitarian." For more from Nicolle, follow and download her podcast, “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace,” wherever you get your podcasts. To listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads, sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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