# ‘Gaza is a moral tear in the universe’: Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor | Radical Thinking with Aditya Chakrabortty

An episode of [Politics Weekly UK](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/136697472), 10 Oct 2026, 50 min.

Audio: https://flex.acast.com/audio.guim.co.uk/2026/10/08-63957-_Gaza_is_a_moral_tear_in_the_universe__NaomiKlein_and_AstraTaylor_Radical_Thinking_with_Aditya_Chakrabortty.mp3

Are we really living through ‘end times fascism’? Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor think so. In a new series from the Guardian, the pair speak to Radical Thinking with Aditya Chakrabortty in an extended interview. From Trump 2.0 and the rise of the tech billionaire to Gaza and the climate emergency, Klein and Taylor argue we are not just lurching from crisis to crisis but are in a new and dangerous moment in history. But they haven’t given up hope of a fightback Radical Thinking will be published every Saturday in the Politics Weekly feed. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/politicspod

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