# Weep, Shudder, Die: The Secret of Opera Revealed (with Dana Gioia)

An episode of [EconTalk](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/135066958), 20 Jan 2025, 1 h 19 min.

Audio: https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/6fdba516-8381-43b0-b29f-59d05512b693/episodes/6e55c7e5-c37b-4e08-8c68-25d5ad09f094/audio/4e855438-fbe0-4f32-baa3-b210cc43c844/default_tc.mp3?aid=rss_feed&feed=wgl4xEgL

How can opera, with words we rarely understand, make us cry? Why does opera, filled with melodrama, move us? Listen as poet and librettist Dana Gioia explains to EconTalk's Russ Roberts why words matter more than we think, in both opera and on Broadway.

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