# Learning to Think Like Someone Else (with David Marquet)

An episode of [EconTalk](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/135066958), 11 Aug 2025, 1 h 04 min.

Audio: https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/6fdba516-8381-43b0-b29f-59d05512b693/episodes/b45701f4-8da3-4eeb-a8fc-851bab64cf4c/audio/b0b50b62-740f-487c-907e-3149bd7d9e8c/default_tc.mp3?aid=rss_feed&feed=wgl4xEgL

Former submarine commander David Marquet joins EconTalk's Russ Roberts to explore how distancing--thinking like someone else, somewhere else, or sometime else--can unlock better choices in business and life. They talk about leadership without giving orders, how to empower teams, and what it means to see yourself as a coach rather than a boss. Along the way, they discuss Jeff Bezos's leap to start Amazon, Steve Jobs' unique vision, and how a simple mindset shift can transform a struggling crew--or your career. A conversation about thinking clearly under pressure, avoiding regret, and becoming the kind of leader who creates other leaders instead of followers.

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