# Which Heat player gets surprising playing time?

An episode of [Five On The Floor: Miami Heat/NBA](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1336060206), 11 Sep 2026, 25 min.

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Simone Fontecchio. Myron Gardner. Ryan Conwell. Or someone else? Ethan Skolnick and Brady Hawk go through the second half of the roster, to predict who gets in Erik Spoelstra's gameplan first, and last? Sponsors: • Sign up for PrizePicks with code HMA and get $150 in lineups if your first $5 lineup wins! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/FRSN • RealMerchantServices.com (Call Bill at 561-573-6497) Follow Ethan, Alex and Brady's writing for Sports Illustrated here! • https://www.si.com/nba/heat/author/ethan-skolnick • https://www.si.com/nba/heat/author/alex-tol • https://www.si.com/nba/heat/author/brady-hawk Join us on our Off The Floor Discord server for the most Heat anywhere! Get exclusive insider information, along with updates/stats/insights from the 5OTF crew and hang out with other Heat fans. https://discord.gg/5OTF (Scroll down after clicking) crew and hang out with other Heat fans. Our Sponsors: * Check out Progressive: https://www.progressive.com * Check out Uncommon Goods and use my code uncommongoods.com/FIVE for a great deal: https://www.uncommongoods.com Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

## Transcript

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[0:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: before M.P.
[0:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: with five uses swords from the courts to the shoot's ashes.
[1:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There we go.
[1:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We can.
[1:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He thinks you're so proud of it.
[1:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Welcome to Five of the Floor, a daily insider show on the Miami Heat and the NBA, featuring even Skullneck Greg Solvander, Alex Toledo, Birdie Hawk and others from the Five Reasons Sports Network.
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[1:33] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I welcome into five on the floor here's today's floor plan.
[1:35] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'm Ethan Scholnick.
[1:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You follow me to eat the J-Skolnick and at five resources for us.
[1:39] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I got Brady Hawke.
[1:39] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You can follow him at Brady Hawke 305.
[1:42] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We are now just a little over two weeks from media day and then training camp the day after that.
[1:47] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We're believing that to be in Boca at FAU.
[1:50] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Probably go to the Bahamas next year.
[1:52] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I think.
[1:53] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Unfortunately.
[1:54] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So we will be up in Boca Reton.
[1:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That means Brady Alex will be covering it there with me and we know who's going to be there
[2:02] \[SPEAKER_03\]: which we'd heard this would probably happen.
[2:04] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Janice, BAM, Davey on Mitchell, Wiggins.
[2:07] \[SPEAKER_03\]: All seem to be getting together, getting along.
[2:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Bobby Portis has been with that group.
[2:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We've talked about... You laughed.
[2:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I didn't even think about it.
[2:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I just said it.
[2:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They're getting along.
[2:17] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, it's different.
[2:18] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I guess in context.
[2:20] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Well, we didn't know at the time.
[2:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We didn't know.
[2:22] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We were training camp last year.
[2:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They were on a boat together.
[2:24] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Or was that the year before?
[2:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They know they were at Spose House.
[2:28] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And we probably should talk about it.
[2:29] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah.
[2:31] \[SPEAKER_04\]: What a start.
[2:32] \[SPEAKER_03\]: What a start.
[2:33] \[SPEAKER_03\]: The symbolism.
[2:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Well, if spoken laugh at it, I mean, I, you know, I was, I was stunned and he didn't take it.
[2:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They all from work.
[2:40] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He was talking about burning something down or something like that.
[2:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, was it, was it a quote at the end of the year?
[2:45] \[SPEAKER_04\]: There's something something something about fire, like something on, like, run around, something on fire.
[2:49] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, I mean, that's what you have to be with stuff like that anyway.
[2:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean, it's the only way to I guess.
[2:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, I guess what anyway, what hope suppose worked out is housing situation by now.
[3:00] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'm assuming that he likely has and the heat are getting ready for training camp.
[3:04] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And again, we know who's going to be there.
[3:05] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We know, you know, all of the extra players.
[3:08] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We know that there's roster spot open.
[3:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They haven't filled yet.
[3:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We also know that there's a two-way spot, right?
[3:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yes, there's two-way spot.
[3:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: No, is there a two-way spot?
[3:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: No, there's gold.
[3:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: There's gold.
[3:17] \[SPEAKER_03\]: There's no two-way spot anymore.
[3:18] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's all that's right, Kishajan's got the two-way.
[3:20] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's right, instead of the standards spot.
[3:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So they've let the standards spot open.
[3:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So 14 standards, three-two ways.
[3:25] \[SPEAKER_03\]: One of them is that golden.
[3:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: see if that holds up and others trade Donaldson who's obviously been with the team a lot we see every everyone in these videos pictures work out he's there always so he's he's making himself known here which is the right thing to do we're gonna talk about today though today's floor plan we'll get to let's get to off the floor first
[3:45] \[SPEAKER_03\]: discord server two bucks a nine cents for month link in the description dip just under a thousand subscribers to help get us back over there uh we will be on their more regularly now as training camp is starting to be a ton of content so check it out again it's all for floor price picks football season code is HMA and reasonable luck on the lies should not supposed to look I had I had reasonable success on the first two games we'll see I do over the weekend if you want to play those more than something dolphins good luck to you
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[4:22] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But what we're talking about today, are sort of the back end of the roster players.
[4:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So you can name these, and then we will go through as we did with the possible work candidates, none of these guys are expected to be in that category.
[4:35] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But who we think will have the biggest role, especially early in the season.
[4:40] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So give me your names.
[4:42] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Well, it's tough because I think we have to almost mark the first eight as locked in.
[4:46] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You have the starters we talked about.
[4:47] \[SPEAKER_04\]: David, I'm Mitchell Clay Thompson, AJ, we're going to see on us on the Coopo Bamm out of bio.
[4:52] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Tim, what are we doing?
[4:52] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You're pello Larsson and Bobby Porter, so I think we're pretty clearly the next three, and then it comes down to some others.
[4:57] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Now,
[4:59] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I don't know if we should throw a couple of these guys in because I feel like they're fringe.
[5:02] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like there's their situational, like we've talked so much Nico that I feel like that's kind of, we'll see what happens in camp if he could pop and they could find a role for him.
[5:11] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Drew Smith, I think probably should be in this conversation, even though a lot of people don't think he is, like he is.
[5:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Good shot he could be, you know, in the back of the program, but the the slots I think would be juice myth, my ring gardener, uh, Simone Fontechio Nick Richards, uh, trade Donaldson, Ryan Conlow, that would be like a shot with a back of shot Johnson.
[5:34] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I think we could do a shot in there too, but it's just, okay, so we've got seven hold on.
[5:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So let's go through it again, Fontechio Drew Conwell.
[5:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Donaldson, Kishad Johnson, Nick Richards, Nick Richards, the Mara Gardner, if you didn't say.
[5:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Seven, got it.
[5:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Okay, all right, so let's go through it.
[5:57] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So this is who we think will have the biggest role to start of the season.
[6:01] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Okay, let me tell you, why don't you tell me who you think will have the least.
[6:05] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Well, there's also two sizes, because the start of the season and the entire season is probably a different conversation.
[6:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Okay, so let's have the two conversations.
[6:13] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah.
[6:13] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Well, the start of the season before the break and after we just decided this on the flight.
[6:17] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, start the conversation before the break.
[6:19] \[SPEAKER_04\]: No, because I say the name, I'll say the name, the reason why I say that.
[6:22] \[SPEAKER_04\]: There's one name that at the start of the season, Simone Fontechio is not going to be a guy at the rotation that it's going to be a regularly played guy.
[6:28] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But over the entirety of the season, he's going to be utilized a ton.
[6:32] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like I think Fontechio is going to play a lot more than we have talked about.
[6:35] \[SPEAKER_04\]: If Clay or Tim Hardaway Jr. are ever out of game,
[6:39] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Simone is playing.
[6:40] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That's simple of placing a guy in that I think plays.
[6:45] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So of that grouping of guys who will play the least,
[6:51] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I might go kishad, because I think in terms of role, the way that he would play in the past was, we don't have a backup big, we don't have a big main option, all right, Kishad Johnson is the backup five.
[7:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: They have a little more option there now, with Yana Sabam that can flip, they have all the portus and the gritchards that's on this list.
[7:09] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So,
[7:10] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I would put Cushod last, but I mean, he's got, they just have to see a little more from him.
[7:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I think that's what they're probably testing him with putting him on a two-way contract.
[7:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Is that like, what does this promise you have to improve as a shooter?
[7:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We're going to have to see some offensive production.
[7:23] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I, early on in Cushod's tenure with Miami, he was compared to Haywood Highsmith of like that.
[7:27] \[SPEAKER_04\]: People were like, well, they could part with Awood because Cushod could just be Awood.
[7:31] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But the thing was, they realized that Awood improved offensively year after year.
[7:35] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He became a lot better than the three points shot.
[7:37] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, the three push I was the big thing he became a better handler.
[7:39] \[SPEAKER_04\]: He became a better handoff hub.
[7:41] \[SPEAKER_04\]: He became just a better offensive overall option.
[7:43] \[SPEAKER_04\]: He developed a floater like there was things that he developed.
[7:45] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I think they want to see that from Kishad that he, we know he could defend all over the place.
[7:50] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We know he's a freak athlete.
[7:51] \[SPEAKER_04\]: If they run a transition opportunity or two on the one with Yada's and Kishad, it'll be on Sports Center top 10 the next day.
[7:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But can they figure out some half-quart offensive, then we'll be the question.
[7:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Right, we don't score 100, top 10, and we'll talk about it being, uh, does that even still exist?
[8:03] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Uh, I don't know, I don't know, I mean, let's pat McFear see what he's doing, I'm not sure.
[8:08] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Let's do anything there.
[8:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Uh, I shouldn't say that, I got a lot of friends there, but it's, yeah, it's a little bit of a different place.
[8:13] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Uh, yeah, but then, uh, Yannis will credit Kishad and all the rest of this and dance with him, and then it wouldn't slam luck again.
[8:19] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But I'm, I'm kind of with Yann Kishad, but I actually think the answer here is trade Donaldson.
[8:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I think the answer is trade adults in only because I do think Conwell's ahead of him in the pecking order.
[8:32] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I could be wrong.
[8:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They could really like Donaldson's ability to get them into offense, so there could be opportunities for that.
[8:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I think a day beyond injury changes the equation.
[8:47] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But I think just going in with what they've got, I think they're going to go with pecking order here and I feel like it will be drew and then it will be conwell and then it will be Donaldson, just based on their history.
[8:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But so I'm going to say, Donaldson and Kishad, but would it absolutely stun me if they need a point another point guard and it's Donaldson, instead of conwell, no.
[9:09] \[SPEAKER_03\]: if again, if he feels like he needs somebody to get him into offense.
[9:13] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So let's let me go through the rest of the group here.
[9:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Fantecchio, Gardner, Drew Smith, Ryan Conwell, Simone Fantecchio.
[9:24] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'm going to put Conwell back to the bottom again of that group because he's a rookie and suppose going to make him earn it.
[9:31] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So
[9:32] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's Fantecchio it's I honestly think of that group.
[9:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: The one short thing is Drew.
[9:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Drew is going to get some minutes.
[9:39] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't think they're going to be huge minutes.
[9:42] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I feel like We're looking at like 12 to 14 minutes for him, perhaps.
[9:47] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I think Davey on is going to get the lion share of them and they're going to see if they can Again extend him maybe more than they have in the past.
[9:56] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But so I think that Drew follows that, but does get time.
[9:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But I also do think
[10:02] \[SPEAKER_03\]: that Fantecchio could end up being the guy who plays a head of Yovic in some situations.
[10:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: If he simply trusts him more and wants a shooter, it may not come down to play or tomorrow with you and you're being out.
[10:18] \[SPEAKER_03\]: on those games.
[10:19] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It may just come down to we're going to play Fontechio and yes, we're going to give up this or this or this, but I'm going to have a shooter with size when I know it's going to be on the right place most of the time.
[10:29] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And if he's frustrated with Nico, then Simone is going to get that run.
[10:35] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Does that, is that a, I'm going to get to Gardner in a second, because I do think there's a role for Gardner, but I don't, I think Fontechio's path is clearer.
[10:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Go on over side.
[10:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm with you at the Montecchio Parties in my top three of this list of playing actual myths like the reason I said before about stepping in for a shooter, but even if those two guys are playing, there could be lineups when they're flipping on and off and you want to run two shooters and you put them out of a junior in Simone out there together and you don't run a backup point guard.
[11:02] \[SPEAKER_04\]: There's different ways of going about it.
[11:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Drew is going to play.
[11:04] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean, I keep saying that like he's going to be somebody that plays a lot.
[11:08] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Now, the minutes will be interesting to your point because I mean, Drew's never really been used as a traditional point card in a lot of his minutes.
[11:14] \[SPEAKER_04\]: He's played next to David on a lot.
[11:16] \[SPEAKER_04\]: When he's even out there by himself, he plays as an off-wall guard where he's in the corner a lot.
[11:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: He plays up on a higher on the wing.
[11:22] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like he he's not like running traditional point cards sets most of the time with the part of that because of mine his offense.
[11:27] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But
[11:28] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Drew's gonna play.
[11:29] \[SPEAKER_04\]: The thing that I think I'm different than you on is I've con will much higher on this list than Probably what you had at five.
[11:37] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I think
[11:39] \[SPEAKER_04\]: If I was ranking this the way I did, if we were like, because we didn't even properly rank this before hand.
[11:42] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But like if I'd said, Keest, because shot seven, trace six, I might go Nick Richards five.
[11:47] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I haven't mentioned him yet.
[11:48] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I, I, I, I, I just, because if you were going to excited, I want to say excited.
[11:54] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But it was a good sign name because we haven't had like seen this type of death.
[11:57] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But he's still break, he's still break class and in case of emergency, right?
[12:02] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Bobby Hortis is this team's backup five.
[12:04] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I know there was a talk about like Portis and Nick Richards playing together.
[12:08] \[SPEAKER_04\]: This I don't want to see.
[12:09] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, we're not we're not seeing that off.
[12:11] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Then it's been about shooting this whole thing like they're going to space this out.
[12:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Horses going to play five.
[12:16] \[SPEAKER_04\]: They're going to rotate those three.
[12:17] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Now if Porter says out again.
[12:19] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, Nick Richards probably plays he probably back up big and runs a little bit.
[12:22] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But over the totality of the season of like minutes played, I would probably have him five.
[12:27] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Now Ryan combos the interesting one because
[12:30] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like trade Donaldson is like a mix of Conwell and Drew in terms of what his role can be because I think trade has the ability to pop as an officer player at times, but he's also just your traditional set the offense up guy like Drew is so he's a kind of a mix of both those guys.
[12:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But I think more often than not, they're going to need the total offense guys.
[12:48] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So like if I keep going down the list, if I had Nick Richards,
[12:51] \[SPEAKER_04\]: five, I would probably have a mire and four who I'm mire on, but I just believe with this roster of what they're looking at like early on, it's so defensive oriented that before it was like they need an iron so much because it was like they didn't weren't used to this type of defender that they could throw out their mess things up.
[13:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: With this roster, I think there's more of a lean toward Con, Con while over mire and just because I think they're going to need offense or any creation, they're going to need scoring.
[13:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I don't think it's good.
[13:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That's why I mentioned earlier of like early on in the season compared to the entire season because we'll come will play in the first month.
[13:22] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Probably not unless it's a blowout like it's probably not a play rotational minutes, but I think as the season goes on, there's a random injury in January.
[13:29] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I could see a couple of weeks where Con will get to the rotation could prove himself and all of a sudden he sticks and he's somebody that's maybe has a good connection with Tim Artaway Jr off the bench.
[13:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: The ones who punch off the bench and they kind of keep that.
[13:43] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I was an opening, like I don't think that's crazy to say, like I do think there's an opportunity here because he has a skill that this team absolutely needs.
[13:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I mean, the thing about this roster is everybody kind of as an opening.
[13:53] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I feel like there's, you know, one injury away from seeing, okay, who can slot in there?
[13:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Whether it's a big and it's Richards, whether it's a shooter, it's Fonsecchio, whether it's a wing and it's Gardner, whether it's a point guard and then it's one of those two guys.
[14:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: it's tough.
[14:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's tough to see really where he would fit unless they were without two bigs and wings.
[14:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then it's like, okay, then then we need to plug him in.
[14:18] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And I think even then it'll be short-minute stins.
[14:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But Gardner, to me, is I liked what I saw last year.
[14:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We saw he trusted him to start.
[14:29] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It was a big game at the time in Charlotte, if you recall.
[14:33] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And he performed reasonably well.
[14:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They played well with him on the court.
[14:37] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But with Wiggins Larson Clay and Tim Hardaway Jr.
[14:40] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I just I don't see it early in the season I feel like this is he to me is going to be an innings eater when they need when Wiggins has a mysterious injury that they don't You know for two to three weeks is out or Pella has you know hit his face too many times or something and or
[14:57] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You know, Tim Marwood, Jr. and Clare, combined 71 years old, like I feel like that's where you'll see Miron go in there and get some run.
[15:05] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Well, if Clare is out and they don't bring, because Tim, let's just say it's a couple of weeks into the season, Tim Marwood, Jr. is worth them off the bench, they don't start him.
[15:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Then they say, I think they start Gardner, I think they start Gardner.
[15:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Who do you think gets more starts or Gardner's Simone A or Conwell?
[15:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Because I think those are the things.
[15:19] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Well, I think Pelacode, also, if he's shooting well, that's fair.
[15:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He's going to want to keep either Lars and her heart away on the bench at all times so he has somebody.
[15:31] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So I feel like that might be okay.
[15:32] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We'll give Pelis some spot starts and then move him back to the bench afterwards.
[15:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That to me would be more slightly.
[15:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But he has often pulled the guy, whether it's at James Jones or somebody else from the way back.
[15:44] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He did this with Tony Douglas in 2014.
[15:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He will take a guy who has been playing it all is somewhere in that sort of 11 to 15 range on the team.
[15:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: All of a sudden the guy is starting.
[15:53] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Um, you know, when you're the big three, you're pulling James Jones or Mike Miller into that role.
[15:57] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That you can't always can't always do that.
[15:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: For Richard Lewis.
[16:00] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's like, oh, okay.
[16:01] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Oh, by the way, what we'll get the guy who's been a two-time ball star.
[16:03] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I was just, we'll give him a few minutes.
[16:04] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We haven't seen it for three weeks.
[16:05] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, that's how stack that team became in the middle portion of the big three.
[16:08] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They weren't like that in the first and fourth year necessarily.
[16:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I would say that Gardner, again, you're waiting behind Wiggins and Lars and primarily.
[16:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Um, if he shoots well,
[16:19] \[SPEAKER_03\]: even if it's a little volume which he has if he shoots well then I could see just a vacation for saying okay tomorrow we're juniors out will give mire in some of that or if if a clays out obviously not going to be the shooter that clays that I can see spoke maybe saying I don't know if somebody's not in a good rhythm
[16:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, or something.
[16:35] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Then, okay, we'll try Gardener there and at least gain.
[16:37] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'll get the defense Adam because I'm already get it.
[16:39] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So I think there's a path for him.
[16:41] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But I do think that early in the season at least, I think Simone is going to be the guy who he taps to go out there.
[16:47] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But on the other side of this, we'll do this quicker.
[16:50] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Who, which of these players do you think could actually be in a playoff rotation?
[16:56] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We'll get to that on the other side.
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[17:33] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Okay, so, um, of these guys, without an injury, let's start here, without an injury, who's the one that has a chance to make the rotation, and this is where I'm going to flip from where I was before.
[17:47] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Well, I don't think I'm gonna flip, but I do think there's a player on this list that would have hired, but I'll say first off it.
[17:52] \[SPEAKER_04\]: to me, it's true.
[17:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I still think Drew would be, it could be in a playoff rotation, just being next to Hardaway and Pella being a guy that they play at the top of the two-to-one press, that they put it top of the defense to go bother people, that could still, because, look, especially in a playoff, Spow wants his traditional, slow-the-game-down second-size, up-point guard.
[18:11] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And not that Drew is always going to have the ball on his hands to do that, but he's somebody that could settle you.
[18:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean, he's slow-games down and can do that and Spow is trusted.
[18:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And so I think he's,
[18:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: up there.
[18:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But I'll say there's one player in this list that I had low that would honestly it's probably surprising that would raise them with this but Nick Richards is somebody that I could see situationally in the playoffs more than some of these other guys where there might be a matchup that we've seen in the past that they're on your size and I'm not that they're going to be on your size with this roster as much as they happen in the past.
[18:37] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But I could see an innings eater from Nick Richards where it's like, there's some backup big that's killing them on the offs of glass.
[18:42] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like, Mitchell Robinson, killing them in that region, Throne Nick Richards out there to go get some quality box outs and bother and pick up a couple of fouls.
[18:50] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like, those the situation will play off rotation and it's that I could see more than like, honestly, even like Simone A, that I think.
[18:59] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I don't know if they would lean on Simone in a playoff environment, if they have clay in hardaway junior healthy, which is what we said started as a being a healthy roster.
[19:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So, Drew is still one for me, but Nick Richard would be pretty high.
[19:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'm going to go outside the box here completely.
[19:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I agree with what you're saying about both those guys, but I actually think the guy you mentioned earlier, it could be Ryan Conwell, if the progress is made that we think could be made.
[19:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: and they need to unlock another level in the playoffs that it might be something where because I kind of feel like if they made the playoffs last year we would have seen a lot more of cast.
[19:39] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I feel like they were getting him ready for that.
[19:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So I just think with the higher upside if they're playing a team where they simply need more firepower,
[19:49] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And he has shown that he can provide that if he's showing that in practice and competition with some of these guys again, he's going to be going against the leap defenders and practice Because he's going to be against David on in Drew and then seeing all these other defenders behind them.
[20:02] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He may get better quickly if he gets better quickly Then it might be one of those things where oh, wait a second, where do he come we expect to see Brian come well out there as the ninth man.
[20:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: in this playoff series.
[20:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like that's the one I would watch.
[20:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like Richard, yes, I see it back up big, situational minutes.
[20:17] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Okay, Drew, I see this sort of the steadyness.
[20:20] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So many, I think Mario gets phased out by then.
[20:22] \[SPEAKER_03\]: If that's the case, Myron would probably take a back seat.
[20:25] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He would just be barking at people for the bench.
[20:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But I could absolutely, and I think it's a tough path for Toshan.
[20:30] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But I could absolutely see Conwell, like if they're like, okay.
[20:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then we'll start to hear the whispers about what he's looked like and practice, right?
[20:40] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I mean, you know how they do this.
[20:41] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So I would watch that one.
[20:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I like we said, where we're ranking this as much as I was pushing this so many things.
[20:47] \[SPEAKER_04\]: He was my two in terms of playing the most disease and behind Drew.
[20:51] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I think Drew is going to log, I don't know if it's minutes more so than games played.
[20:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like I just think Drew is going to be a lot of minutes per game.
[20:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, he's going to play most games, though.
[21:00] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, like he's just going to be out there in actually in the rotation.
[21:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That's why I had in there.
[21:05] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But Conno's too for me, like I think he legitimately has an opportunity here and it's cool because you mentioned the mini-camp that they're doing and like all these like pictures and videos that are coming out and everything it seems like a lot of these guys, I mean they're taking everybody under their wing like it feels like a brand new like meet and greet in everyone's wheels like getting to know each other, getting to know each other, literally but it seems like Conno on a lot of this is like always with BAM or one of these guys that like under his wing that like I remember like
[21:33] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Bam, you just have to take these guys under his wing like, you know, not in a bad way, but Jamal Kane was somebody he took under his wing early on and he was propping him up and do other stuff like Conwell has some real offensive talent that he could have been to that I think they'll quickly realize that and I'll keep saying like he actually has an ability that is different like yeah, like you're going to see.
[21:50] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Trey Donaldson and Tisha Johnson and Drew switching all over the place on defense and Miron and they're like you just noticed that in camp You like they'll point that out, but almost the one that's like they're he provides something new and different That's a little bit of a different element to this team where they're like, okay, we made me to put that somewhere like we made it put that to work So
[22:08] \[SPEAKER_04\]: If he has the shooting element off the catch alone, which I think we, we could both agree he does, like that has been his main thing.
[22:14] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That's one thing.
[22:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But if he has some of the on-ball stuff that they try to see a little bit in summer league, where he has some of the stepbacks and crossovers and drives and strong finishes over kind of bigger defenders, there's no reason why they shouldn't play him their rotation.
[22:28] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like this is not a,
[22:31] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Even when I'm, I mean, the three guys that we mentioned are going to be in the rotation.
[22:34] \[SPEAKER_04\]: There's no doubt, like off the bench, Pele hard to win junior and Porter's aren't going anywhere, but there's also a we're talking about this in a way that they're running a nine-man rotation.
[22:41] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yes, foe usually goes that way.
[22:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But I wouldn't be shocked if they play nine and a half in a way where Drew is the half getting kind of the quick little stint into the first quarter beginning the second quarter where he gets that, you know, and same thing with the third and fourth, but then the ninth real ninth guy ends up being a conwell type, that is just their score on the bench.
[23:00] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So that is, I said this on a previous podcast, like I just feel like there's so many big names like we're we're going to the media day, it's going to be by Janis and they have Clay Thompson and they have all these big names, the strong players MVP candidates, like all these.
[23:13] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Ryan Kondels usually the guy that like if there was none of that other stuff out of the equation usually if we were going to be today He would probably be our biggest topic.
[23:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We'd be talking about Kondels more than anybody Well, we're going to get him.
[23:24] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We know we know how it works on our conversation Yeah, they're going to give our guys to open it will.
[23:28] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We know they're going to get Janice and Bam right and who's the third probably they're going to get Wig it well, I don't know wig it's and it doesn't say anything But like a Janice and Bam and Clay right they get Janice and Bam and Clay
[23:42] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Right.
[23:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's, that's who we get.
[23:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So they're going to be off limits to us.
[23:45] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But we'll so I'm when I put in my request, it's going to be white.
[23:48] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's got a nickel again.
[23:49] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Of course.
[23:50] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Nick Richards.
[23:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Nick Richards.
[23:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Nick Richards.
[23:52] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Right.
[23:53] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's going to be basically the guys that you just mentioned.
[23:55] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We might get Pella.
[23:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We might get Pella.
[23:57] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, it's literally this podcast is literally this podcast is literally this podcast is who we're going to get.
[24:00] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And maybe we love we love you Robin Nick and Tim and Michael.
[24:04] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But they're going to get, you know, we're going to get this podcast and maybe I'll get Pella or Tim, right?
[24:09] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like that.
[24:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, we might get bobby porters, you know what I actually I might put bobby porters first on the list that is attainable for us because again, I know I know Tobin Manso my new coho sum that other thing we're doing.
[24:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That I know they're going to get the long sit down.
[24:25] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'm going to post all over social media, okay, with with Janice and Bam and Clay and Will and then we look, well, you could take Wiggins really, really nice guy.
[24:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We won't get six words at Andrew.
[24:35] \[SPEAKER_03\]: All right.
[24:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't think, right?
[24:37] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So we're looking at it.
[24:39] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We're looking at it.
[24:40] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We're going to get a lot of Pella.
[24:42] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I hope.
[24:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And it's a tomorrow in a way, Junior, and some Bobby Portis.
[24:45] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then the rest of this list.
[24:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then Nico.
[24:48] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We always get Nico.
[24:49] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We, because we like talking to Nico.
[24:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We got it.
[24:52] \[SPEAKER_03\]: The talk has got to be backed up on the court now.
[24:53] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Anyway, I'd very appreciate it.
[24:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I do think with Conwell, the one thing that may be different is typically we've seen it where like young during the some of their better years that their young guys will play and then be phased out in the playoffs.
[25:05] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I actually think with Conwell, it might be the opposite.
[25:07] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I feel like it'd be the opposite.
[25:08] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I feel like the playing may actually come more later with him.
[25:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Anyway, check out Realmer's the services price pictures the code HMA sign up for all before.

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