# CVS vs. Walgreens | Trouble Behind the Counter | 5

An episode of [Business Wars](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1335814741), 8 Nov 2023, 42 min.

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Between overworked pharmacists, healthcare consolidation, and rising drug costs, pharmacies are constantly having to adapt. Dan Weissmann, host of the An Arm and a Leg podcast, joins David to talk about how these conditions are affecting pharmacies — big and small — and consumers nationwide. Later, Liz Tung, a reporter for WHYY’s The Pulse, shares her deep dive into the mysterious world of pharmacy benefit managers, or PBMs. Her recent reporting examines how these entities hurt consumers and pharmacists alike, and what’s being done to challenge them. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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