# Kevin Hart: They're Lying To You About How To Become A Millionaire! I Was Doing 28 Sets A Weekend!

An episode of [The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1291423644), 20 Nov 2025, 1 h 37 min.

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No.1 Comedy Icon KEVIN HART reveals how he built a billion-dollar career on $25, slept in a hallway, overcame failure, and turned standup stress into global Hollywood success. Kevin Hart is a world-renowned comedian, actor, producer, and Founder of Hartbeat, a global, multi-platform entertainment company. He is the author of bestselling books such as, ‘It Will All Work Out: The Freedom of Letting Go’, and features in the upcoming Netflix comedy special, KEVIN HART: ACTING MY AGE. He explains: ◼️What 13 years of rejection taught him about leadership and success ◼️How masculinity and discipline helped him overcome stress and self-doubt ◼️Why most people never make it in Hollywood, and how he did ◼️The moment he realized comedy wasn’t a dream, but was a business ◼️How growing up around crime shaped his ambition (00:00) Intro (03:01) What Made You Who You Are Today (03:42) There's No Success Without Failure (04:18) What Were You Like as a Kid (06:59) I Didn't Grow Up With My Dad at Home (10:11) The Biggest Lesson I Learned From My Mother (15:23) I Thought My Future Was in a Shoe Store (16:48) The Proposition That Changed My Life (22:54) 13 Years of Struggle and Failure to Reach the Top (27:18) How I Got Into Business and Business Development (29:44) The Importance of Not Quitting (32:08) Advice to Young People (38:35) The One Moment I Knew Things Would Change Forever (40:45) It Took 13 Years to Make It (45:39) The Deep Expertise That Allows You to Succeed (47:51) Be Comfortable With Coming Across as Stupid (53:32) Seeing Behind the Curtains (59:26) How Much of Business Is About People (01:02:48) The Importance of Communication in Business (01:05:04) How Do You Know Who to Trust in Business (01:10:35) What's the Cost of Success? (01:18:15) Kevin Hart Show: Acting My Age (01:19:39) The Men's Crisis (01:21:05) What Does It Take to Be a Good Man? (01:26:29) The Adult Advice That Had the Biggest Impact (01:28:06) One More Thing About What's Happening With Men (01:30:30) Is There a Cost for Your Family? Follow Kevin: Instagram - https://bit.ly/4pgdUND X - https://bit.ly/4i60W2I Facebook - https://bit.ly/4peILtW LOL! Network - https://bit.ly/43rS1T1 Kevin’s Netflix Comedy Special ‘KEVIN HART: ACTING MY AGE’ releases globally on Monday, November 24, 2025. He reflects on the trials and triumphs of his 40s, managing family dynamics, and embracing the wisdom of aging. You can purchase Kevin’s book, ‘It Will All Work Out: The Freedom of Letting Go, here: https://amzn.to/43yDIMy The Diary Of A CEO: ◼️Join DOAC circle here - https://doaccircle.com/ ◼️Buy The Diary Of A CEO book here - https://smarturl.it/DOACbook ◼️The 1% Diary is back - limited time only: https://bit.ly/3YFbJbt ◼️The Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards (Second Edition): https://g2ul0.app.link/f31dsUttKKb ◼️Get email updates - https://bit.ly/diary-of-a-ceo-yt ◼️Follow Steven - https://g2ul0.app.link/gnGqL4IsKKb Sponsors: Plaud - https://www.plaud.ai/pages/steven (NOTE - 20% DISCOUNT EXPIRED Sales may vary - DOAC22 could be used for $10 off) Stan Store - https://stevenbartlett.stan.store for your 14-Day free trial KetoneIQ - Visit https://ketone.com/STEVEN for 30% off your subscription order

## Transcript

[0:00] You can't be afraid to verbalize your ignorance.
[0:03] That's holding you back.
[0:05] Committee example.
[0:06] I can give you several, like, investing.
[0:08] You're like, you're telling me,
[0:09] if I put this money in here right now,
[0:12] I could 30x, 20x.
[0:14] What the f*** is this game?
[0:16] I know a scam when I see one.
[0:17] You'll find you another idiot
[0:19] because it ain't happening over here, buddy.
[0:20] But when you go, you say, I don't know what that means.
[0:24] How does investing really work?
[0:25] I don't know where to get it.
[0:26] Now you're a part of the right conversation.
[0:29] You're a part of the right opportunities,
[0:30] but you get there by being the dummy in the world.
[0:34] And now look at what I'm able to do.
[0:39] Kevin, it took 13 years
[0:41] and where you did your first stand-up
[0:42] to you having your moment.
[0:43] But why didn't you quit?
[0:44] Because of the lessons that my mom gave
[0:46] from being very scarred from my brother.
[0:49] So let's go back.
[0:50] I grew up in North Philadelphia.
[0:51] My brother had told the drugs.
[0:53] My dad was always in jail.
[0:54] I was jailed from my mom.
[0:55] I wasn't gonna let that happen with me.
[0:57] So we had an agreement.
[0:58] I had a certain amount of time to make comedy work.
[1:00] And in my mind, it wasn't gonna be hard
[1:02] because there was no other option.
[1:03] I will figure it out.
[1:04] So I was driving in front of Philadelphia
[1:06] to New York every day.
[1:07] I wasn't coming home until 4 a.m.
[1:09] where I was doing 25 to 28 sets a weekend.
[1:14] I worked that for a very, very long time.
[1:16] And the struggle left you with days of,
[1:18] what am I doing?
[1:19] Can I pay my rent?
[1:20] Fuck this, man.
[1:21] But my mom's biggest lesson was you're not quitting.
[1:24] And not many people are going to do
[1:26] the 13 years of hard shit.
[1:28] Most people opt out at year two.
[1:30] I want to go find a quick return.
[1:31] You keep quitting to start something else
[1:33] that you think is the idea.
[1:34] It's just a cycle.
[1:35] You're never completing anything.
[1:36] You got to make a choice
[1:36] if there you're going to do a finish.
[1:38] I made the choice to stand up comedy
[1:40] was what I was going to finish
[1:42] because if I focused and did it well,
[1:43] that would open up the doors
[1:45] and need to do everything else that I want to do.
[1:48] But they say that you can't have everything in life.
[1:50] So what is the cost?
[1:51] Have you struggled with your mental health?
[1:53] What advice have you got for young men
[1:55] in terms of what it takes to be a good man?
[1:57] That's a weird thing that's happening where
[1:59] the definition of a good man is so foggy.
[2:01] It seems that in this time today
[2:03] more men are being forward
[2:05] wanting to express in talk.
[2:08] But the fear of being judged after.
[2:11] Do you have that fear?
[2:18] Just give me 30 seconds of your time.
[2:20] Two things I wanted to say.
[2:21] The first thing is a huge thank you
[2:23] for listening and tuning into the show
[2:25] week after week means the world to all of us.
[2:27] And this really is a dream that we absolutely never had
[2:29] and couldn't have imagined getting to this place.
[2:32] But secondly, it's a dream where we feel like
[2:34] we're only just getting started.
[2:36] And if you enjoy what we do here,
[2:38] please join the 24% of people
[2:40] that listen to this podcast regularly
[2:42] and follow us on this app.
[2:44] Here's a promise I'm going to make to you.
[2:45] I'm going to do everything in my power
[2:47] to make this show as good as I can
[2:49] now and into the future.
[2:51] We're going to deliver the guests that you want me to speak to
[2:53] and we're going to continue to keep doing all of the things
[2:56] you love about this show.
[2:58] Thank you.
[3:02] In so many ways, you're clearly anonymally.
[3:06] For you to be the way that you are,
[3:07] there must be some kind of early context
[3:09] that people need to be aware of.
[3:11] A certain wiring or a cauldron
[3:12] that has sort of shaped you into who you are.
[3:15] What is that context that I need to understand?
[3:18] I made very driven individual
[3:21] and I'm driven off of ideation.
[3:24] I like the fact that you can have thoughts
[3:29] and if you're in love with the thoughts that you're having,
[3:33] you can be energized to bring those thoughts
[3:36] like into a bigger reality.
[3:39] That's the real fuel to the brain for me.
[3:43] Do you think at the very core of you,
[3:45] that's what's motivating you?
[3:48] Absolutely.
[3:49] That's like a process,
[3:50] but the outcome of that is success
[3:52] and it will, it will, it's formed.
[3:53] It's material success or failure.
[3:55] I mean, like there is no success without failure.
[3:57] They go hand in hand and what the failure comes
[4:01] amazing lessons, adjustments.
[4:04] And you get sharper because of the shit that you've done wrong
[4:07] or that you didn't know to approach a certain way
[4:11] that you now know how to approach.
[4:13] So I embrace the concept of failure
[4:15] just as much as I embrace the win of success.
[4:19] Had I met you at 10 years old or 15 years old,
[4:23] how similar would you have looked
[4:24] in that too?
[4:25] Not even close.
[4:26] Not even close.
[4:27] Not motivated to do the things that I didn't want to do.
[4:32] Not a good student kind of fucking off school,
[4:35] the opportunities to come with school,
[4:37] the extra curricular activities that I didn't want to do
[4:39] that I was doing and my mom made me do.
[4:41] Hanging out was the thing.
[4:43] Hanging out was the luxury, it was the fun
[4:46] and it's, it wasn't available.
[4:48] My mom was strict.
[4:50] So I didn't have the luxury of doing all those things,
[4:54] which is why I wanted the more.
[4:55] I found this photo of your mother.
[4:56] Yeah.
[4:57] Me and Nancy Hart.
[4:58] She was strict.
[4:59] Very strict.
[5:00] With me.
[5:02] My older brother, he had the, you know,
[5:04] he had a little more lean, he, he, freedom.
[5:08] You know, he curfew later night.
[5:11] My brother did all the, all the other stuff.
[5:13] My brother sold the drugs, you know,
[5:18] did the, you know, the smaller tears of crime
[5:21] and stupid shit as a teenager to her own mom felt like
[5:25] she wasn't gonna let that happen with me.
[5:26] So she was much more protective.
[5:30] Because of the mistakes she saw that she made with my brother.
[5:32] You see what I'm saying?
[5:34] So I got the, I got the short end of the stick.
[5:37] So I didn't have the curfew.
[5:40] I didn't, I wasn't able to go hang out.
[5:41] I wasn't able to do all those things.
[5:43] And that's why I wanted that so much.
[5:44] So I rebelled in the spaces where you have to do this.
[5:50] And I was like, well, you don't let me do this.
[5:52] So I don't, I don't want to do this.
[5:54] So I kind of fucked off a lot of those opportunities.
[5:57] And you're a farmer.
[5:58] Hear me with a spoon.
[6:00] Spoony cheese.
[6:02] My guy, you know, a fuck up in the eyes of most,
[6:07] but my dad, you know, he didn't necessarily do the right things
[6:12] in life, gang, crime, all of the shit, jail,
[6:19] and jail out of jail drugs.
[6:23] I mean, that environment that we were raised in,
[6:27] it's not like, you know, the best environment for anyone.
[6:32] But it's an amazing environment for those that live in it
[6:36] because it's all we know.
[6:37] And the normalcy is the low.
[6:40] My mom strived for the higher side of it.
[6:42] My mom was education, degree, trying to get another degree,
[6:47] trying to get a master, trying to, my mom was like always wanting
[6:50] to get better, always wanting to educate herself more
[6:54] because she felt that it was the biggest strength
[6:58] that nobody could control but her.
[7:00] And they separated.
[7:01] Yeah, they were never, never married.
[7:02] Never married.
[7:03] And today physically separate at a certain point.
[7:07] I mean, I think my dad, my dad only lived in the house with me
[7:11] in like my really younger years.
[7:13] Like maybe from like five to seven, maybe eight,
[7:21] if I can remember, like I didn't have,
[7:24] I didn't grow up with like my dad at home.
[7:27] You know, so when my mom was like,
[7:29] fuck that, you're out of here.
[7:31] It was over.
[7:32] My dad, it was a weekend dad or every other weekend dad
[7:36] or, you know, during the week stop by.
[7:40] Then it was ending out of jail.
[7:41] Then we got on drugs.
[7:42] We didn't see him at all.
[7:43] How did you understand that as a kid?
[7:45] Like how does a kid understand the,
[7:47] that that coming and going, being in jail drugs?
[7:49] You are a product of your environment
[7:54] and in that environment, that's the norm.
[7:57] So when you, so when you say like,
[7:59] how did you understand that?
[8:00] Well, nobody had a dad, right?
[8:03] They go, all my friends are dads.
[8:05] Like we see him when we see him and we love him
[8:08] because that's what we, that's what we thought that it should be.
[8:13] It's not like I'm going over a volume of homes
[8:17] where I'm seeing the father sit with the family and the mom
[8:21] and they're doing dinner and they're having conversations
[8:25] and then, you know, it's this happy household.
[8:29] I only had a couple of examples like that.
[8:33] I remember when I went over one of my friend's houses
[8:37] from the swim team and I remember he had his own room.
[8:40] It was like crazy.
[8:42] You get to close the door and shit.
[8:44] Like this is your space.
[8:45] Yeah, it's my room.
[8:47] I had a hallway.
[8:48] Yeah, I don't got that room.
[8:49] I had a hallway.
[8:50] My bed's in hallway.
[8:52] You could always see me.
[8:53] This is where I am.
[8:56] Me and my brother right here in the hall
[8:58] when he's bunk beds.
[9:00] My friend had grass, he had a bag yard.
[9:03] This is fucking crazy.
[9:05] Yeah, we don't have none of this where we live.
[9:07] So because that is the norm,
[9:10] I never, it never affected me, right?
[9:13] Like I never, I was never taken back
[9:17] by the obstacles of our household.
[9:22] My mom and dad just didn't get along, it didn't work.
[9:24] All right, it is what it is.
[9:26] Did you have male role models at the time?
[9:29] I don't think that I was in the space of no
[9:33] when it comes to role model.
[9:34] Like at this time,
[9:35] like I didn't have the mindset of
[9:39] what a role model is or should be.
[9:41] I just had good people around me
[9:44] who act that is like parenting aids
[9:47] to my mother to help her because of her schedule.
[9:50] But I never remember a dead age looking
[9:52] at other families like,
[9:54] oh, this is what I, this is what I want
[9:56] and this is what I'm striving to get or gain, you know?
[10:00] Like I, it was, it was showed to shrug.
[10:03] A lot of shoulder shrugs.
[10:04] It wasn't so I got older
[10:06] that I think the lessons, not I think I know,
[10:08] the lessons that my mom was kind of laying down
[10:10] started to click in differently.
[10:12] I mean, one of those lessons
[10:13] that your mother was trying to lay down
[10:16] can be seen in a Bible thousand percent.
[10:20] There's a,
[10:22] best story ever, best story
[10:25] that I'm able to tell.
[10:26] She puts something in the Bible
[10:28] that's hanging out there and she can see.
[10:29] Checks, man.
[10:30] I couldn't pay my rent.
[10:32] I cannot pay my rent.
[10:34] I needed help and she was like,
[10:36] well, I'm not helping you until you start reading the Bible.
[10:40] And I was like, mom, I'm reading the Bible.
[10:41] I was lying.
[10:42] Just lying.
[10:44] I'm reading it.
[10:44] Come on, mom, this is real.
[10:46] Mom, they're gonna kick me out.
[10:48] Are you reading your Bible?
[10:49] Yes.
[10:51] When you read your Bible, they talk to me.
[10:54] And she did this for like a while.
[10:58] And one day I was like, you know what, man?
[10:59] I was really by myself.
[11:01] And I was like, what am I gonna do?
[11:04] I was like, let me do this Bible.
[11:08] Read the Bible now.
[11:09] Open up the Bible.
[11:11] And like my checks rent, like multiple months
[11:15] of rent checks have fell out.
[11:17] I was like, you know what?
[11:20] It's pretty amazing, pretty amazing.
[11:23] And then I had to actually open a Bible one
[11:28] and start reading the Bible.
[11:30] But that was her way of, of course,
[11:33] knowing that I'm lying.
[11:34] First of all, and be giving me like
[11:37] one of the best lessons ever, you know?
[11:39] Somewhere along the lines, the gyms that she dropped
[11:44] started to click and the idea of not starting things
[11:51] that I'm not gonna finish,
[11:54] that's what really resonated with me the most.
[11:58] So like I started a lot of stuff that I didn't complete
[12:02] in the younger years.
[12:03] That was me and my mom's battle.
[12:05] No, you're gonna finish it and she will make me finish it.
[12:08] Now I wanna quit.
[12:09] No, you're gonna finish it.
[12:11] So I ended up doing a lot of things with an attitude
[12:13] which is why I have to ask this.
[12:15] Then as I got older, you realized,
[12:18] well, why are you putting time into something
[12:20] in the beginning that you don't wanna see through?
[12:23] Why?
[12:24] Or just because you have like a rough moment or a rough patch.
[12:28] Why is it so easy for you to quit?
[12:30] Why is the idea of quit so quick to you to come up with
[12:35] and why are you so comfortable with the results of that?
[12:40] I shouldn't be and I shouldn't be my like motto.
[12:45] So we don't stop.
[12:47] If we start something, we see it the entire way through.
[12:50] At the end of it, even if you don't like it
[12:53] to the highest level,
[12:56] you know that you put your time energy into something
[12:58] that you're at least proud,
[13:00] proud that you did,
[13:02] proud that you were able to put a period on that sentence.
[13:06] And now you can start the next thing,
[13:08] but it's not until you complete something
[13:10] that you can honestly sit with yourself and go,
[13:16] that's what life is.
[13:21] That's called seeing things through the entire way.
[13:24] What was it that changed in you?
[13:25] Like what happened that made you suddenly start
[13:27] to take opportunities more seriously?
[13:29] When you started the opportunity, you fucked off.
[13:32] I remember the, my big dummy moment,
[13:36] and I've had a lot,
[13:37] so I don't know how much time we have to go now,
[13:39] but I got a lot of dummy moments,
[13:42] but my biggest dummy moment,
[13:46] we hook e-school to go and have our senior day.
[13:50] We go to great adventure, theme park on e-schools.
[13:53] And there was a moment where we're done
[13:59] and we're talking, we're like eating and hanging out
[14:02] and all my friends were talking about the college
[14:04] that they were going to go to.
[14:06] I mean, it had already been accepted there.
[14:08] It already had letters and shit.
[14:14] When did y'all do this?
[14:18] When did everybody apply?
[14:19] When did everybody, when did you guys take the SAT?
[14:23] I just, I took mine, but I've rushed it
[14:26] because I wanted to get here.
[14:27] I wanted to hook e-wait.
[14:30] How do you guys know where you going already?
[14:31] I had no knowledge, no idea.
[14:37] All my friends went on to the next stage.
[14:40] They let me be the dummy by myself
[14:42] and that's what a don't don't mean that like
[14:47] nobody cares about you more than you should care
[14:50] about yourself.
[14:52] And nobody is giving you the road map to like the winds.
[14:57] You have to go find that information.
[14:59] You got to go discover it.
[15:01] You got to, you got to want to get it.
[15:03] You got to want to do it.
[15:04] And with the right help, the right world of knowledge
[15:08] it can better help position you, but ultimately
[15:10] you have to want to, you got to want to do it.
[15:13] And me and just not wanting to do shit
[15:16] trying to put me in a really fucked up position early on.
[15:20] Was it finding the thing, your thing, that
[15:24] put some wind in yourselves and made you
[15:26] more of a apparently motivated individual?
[15:29] Because at some point you go from being that Kevin
[15:31] to the Kevin, that can't stop working.
[15:33] Yeah, well that was my light bulb moment.
[15:35] Okay.
[15:36] My light bulb moment was looking
[15:38] what not applying myself got me.
[15:40] I find the dummy that doesn't know
[15:42] what he wants to do with his life.
[15:44] And now I'm at community college.
[15:46] I'm working as a live guard.
[15:48] I eventually want to go work for city sports
[15:50] which is a sneaker store.
[15:52] And I remember when I started working in the sneaker store
[15:55] I talked about this for years too.
[15:57] I was like, oh man, this is cool.
[15:59] This is what I want to do.
[16:01] I got the thing that I want to do.
[16:04] I was so excited that I wouldn't got a job, found a job.
[16:06] I'll do this forever.
[16:07] And I'm going to make it to the highest level
[16:10] so I can have a career.
[16:12] So I become the manager and have to be in the manager.
[16:14] I work for corporate.
[16:15] And this is something that I can build.
[16:17] Like I was already spiraling because I like,
[16:20] I gotta figure out what I'm doing with the rest of my life.
[16:23] What's my life and I'm panicking?
[16:25] What are all?
[16:26] And I was flourishing in the space of sneaker sales.
[16:32] Right?
[16:33] Education and college degree.
[16:35] I don't have.
[16:36] But in the space of personality and sale
[16:40] I was able to maneuver.
[16:43] This is it.
[16:45] This is my calling.
[16:48] That's where the road beginning light presented itself
[16:54] through ideas of my friends.
[16:56] You should do stand-up because you're funny.
[17:00] You should try stand-up.
[17:01] Do you remember what you were when they said that?
[17:03] Am I workplace?
[17:04] I'm working every day.
[17:06] I'm on the floor.
[17:07] And someone, a colleague of yours, it works.
[17:10] Alice, colleague of mine that I work with.
[17:12] What did your brain think when she said that?
[17:14] Was it just blowing on a fire that was kind of already there?
[17:17] Or was it lighting the fire?
[17:18] No, I think the fire was lit.
[17:21] I never thought about pursuing stand-up comedy prior to.
[17:26] The idea came up.
[17:28] I was always funny, but I wasn't like, man,
[17:30] I gotta figure out how to become a comedian.
[17:32] That was never a thought.
[17:34] I knew that was very funny.
[17:35] I knew that I was entertaining.
[17:37] I knew that I can make people laugh.
[17:38] I love being the center of attention.
[17:40] I love the idea of a stage and a light.
[17:44] But that wasn't the thing.
[17:46] I wasn't like, I got it.
[17:49] And it's what it's going to do.
[17:51] It was presented.
[17:52] And then I went and did the amateur night.
[17:54] And that's when I fell in love.
[17:55] Why did you like the stage and the light?
[17:58] And why did you like performing?
[18:00] The laugh.
[18:01] Why?
[18:02] There's nothing better than laugh.
[18:06] There's nothing better than being on stage having the bright light.
[18:15] And the only energy of good that you're able to take away from what you're doing is
[18:25] the laugh.
[18:30] Hearing people laugh.
[18:31] I was like, oh, shit.
[18:34] That feels different.
[18:36] Why?
[18:37] This is energizing.
[18:41] How does it make you feel about you?
[18:43] I feel like I'm doing a service of good.
[18:47] If I can make people feel better, if I can brighten up your day, it's a service of good.
[18:56] That means I'm like a shepherd of some sort.
[19:02] I am responsible for making people feel better.
[19:05] Oh, my God.
[19:06] That means it's success.
[19:08] I can bring people to one destination.
[19:12] And everybody can share a moment in the laugh and all relate that it came from me.
[19:19] Oh, my God.
[19:20] This can get global.
[19:21] This can get bigger.
[19:22] Or this is starting to change now.
[19:25] Oh, wow.
[19:27] This has opened up doors for me to do this, or that, or this, or that.
[19:32] It all started with the laugh.
[19:33] It all started with the stage.
[19:35] So you went to that comedy show.
[19:38] I've got a, I was looking at some of those early clips of you performing.
[19:42] It's funny because I think this is the early 2000s.
[19:45] Okay.
[19:46] But I mean, you probably.
[19:47] Oh, my car lines.
[19:50] Car lines.
[19:51] This right here.
[19:52] My best set and the beginning of my career.
[19:55] Everything I stand for tonight is a joke.
[19:58] Okay.
[19:59] It is nothing else.
[20:00] I don't know why I take none of this stuff to series.
[20:02] I don't know why they're coming up to me after the show saying I lose the funny one now.
[20:07] Yeah.
[20:08] Yeah.
[20:09] This, that tape.
[20:10] So that was when, you know, the thing I needed was a tape.
[20:18] And the reason I needed the tape was so that I could send it to the other comedy clubs
[20:22] so that they can have an example of me, my talent, and then dictator judge
[20:26] if I can get a live audition in person.
[20:28] And how old are you at that point?
[20:29] Oh, my car lines.
[20:30] My dear, I'm like 1890.
[20:33] That's crazy.
[20:34] 1890 is old.
[20:35] Because you're so, that clip is so funny.
[20:38] I watched it this morning and I was dying.
[20:42] And you could understand the feeling of getting off that stage, having a good set
[20:49] and then putting the tape in my hand.
[20:51] It was gold.
[20:53] I got it.
[20:54] I got a good tape.
[20:56] I got to go make copies of my tape.
[20:58] And then I just got to send them to everybody.
[21:00] I just used them.
[21:04] Because it was, it was, it was value.
[21:06] It was value.
[21:07] Started getting in comedy clubs, started getting auditions, started getting more.
[21:12] Oh my God, Kevin's up for an audition.
[21:14] A movie audition, casted directors, they all got that tape.
[21:18] Everybody got that tape.
[21:20] From that period onwards, from 18 to, let's say, to early 20s, you were at this point
[21:24] a very motivated individual.
[21:26] You're working hard.
[21:27] You're focused.
[21:28] Very.
[21:29] And when you speak to your mom and your dad at this point about comedy,
[21:32] do they think that's a serious career?
[21:35] My dad not as much because I didn't really talk to my dad through these years.
[21:40] My dad was kind of dealing with his, his world of issues.
[21:44] My mom, we had an agreement.
[21:47] I had a certain amount of time to make comedy make sense and figure out a way to support myself.
[21:54] If I didn't do it, then I had to go with my mom's idea, which was education
[22:00] and getting a job while getting my education.
[22:03] My plan didn't, it didn't involve college.
[22:06] I'm out.
[22:07] I'm done.
[22:08] No more community.
[22:09] This is what I want to do.
[22:11] I got it.
[22:12] I've never been more excited about my future.
[22:15] This is it for me.
[22:18] How are you going to make your money, Kevin?
[22:21] I'm going to figure it out.
[22:23] How are you going to figure it out?
[22:25] I'm going to figure it out though.
[22:27] I'm just going to go down to the comedy clubs and I've been winning the amateur nights.
[22:30] I think the amateur nights can help me pay for my rent because I was winning the amateur nights.
[22:33] I have won a bunch of men of row.
[22:36] In my mind, it wasn't hard.
[22:38] It wasn't going to be hard because there was no other option.
[22:41] All my eggs were in this basket and I was very happy with that choice.
[22:45] I put every last egg in this thing, nothing else matters but this.
[22:51] I promise you, I will figure it out.
[22:54] Can you draw me a picture?
[22:56] If your career was a graph, I'm going to say here is 18 years old and you're 46 now.
[23:04] This is the axis of this graph.
[23:07] On this axis, we have success.
[23:10] On this axis, we have age.
[23:13] Can you draw me a line that shows how it works?
[23:18] Success in age.
[23:20] Success for me?
[23:23] Knowing what I want to do in life comes here.
[23:27] Now figuring out how to get to money, revenue, just supporting yourself through telling a joke.
[23:39] Let's go here for a second.
[23:42] We flatline it.
[23:45] I'm making people laugh.
[23:48] I'm getting in some comedy clubs.
[23:51] But you want to get paid with food.
[23:53] But then some of the weird habits where you start figuring out, oh wait, here's kind of
[23:57] where the spots come in.
[23:58] I can make money on the weekends and I can get 20 to $25 a spot.
[24:06] So rather than doing one spot, I would do, let's just say, in a weekend, I got to the point
[24:14] where I was doing 25 to 28 sets a weekend.
[24:20] Well, I started making $500 a week, $400 a week.
[24:27] How many years in is this to, that usually making five or so?
[24:30] 18, let's say 22.
[24:34] So I was driving from Philadelphia to New York every day.
[24:37] But because of that, now you got to get into a comedy festival.
[24:41] All right, so now let's start to go here because we did these spots for a while.
[24:46] But then I got a comedy festival.
[24:47] Oh shit.
[24:48] I got a comedy festival.
[24:50] That's when the industry saw me.
[24:52] Who's this new guy?
[24:53] Who's this guy with all his energy?
[24:55] Who's this fucking guy?
[24:56] This guy here, he's got something.
[24:59] All right, so I started meetings, general meetings.
[25:01] And now I get a holding deal.
[25:03] So let's go a little bit.
[25:05] I think it was ABC.
[25:06] They gave me like 250 grand.
[25:08] So they're holding you in hopes they get something.
[25:10] Nothing happened.
[25:11] So we're flat on here.
[25:12] Now I'm just waiting for the phone ring.
[25:14] That's how this works.
[25:15] What if I want to create my own thing?
[25:17] Create a show.
[25:18] Oh my God.
[25:19] Show gets picked up.
[25:20] I create something else.
[25:21] They decided to do it.
[25:23] Oh shit, there's a pattern.
[25:24] I can do that as much as I want.
[25:25] I can treat that.
[25:27] Just how I was treating the spots and stuff in New York.
[25:30] I'm out.
[25:31] I'm moving to LA.
[25:32] No playing on nothing.
[25:34] Flat lie.
[25:36] I'm here.
[25:37] I just did it.
[25:38] I just can't move down.
[25:40] Fuck, man.
[25:41] This is weird.
[25:42] I don't like this.
[25:43] Work.
[25:44] I'm not getting to work, man.
[25:46] This shit is real stagnant.
[25:49] I'm going on a road.
[25:51] I want to work the road.
[25:53] I'm going to be a headline.
[25:54] And I'm going to do colleges.
[25:56] So I'm going to go college money and comedy club money.
[25:59] And I'm going to do it.
[26:01] I worked that for a very long time.
[26:03] Right?
[26:04] Very, very long time to the point where now.
[26:07] I'm selling out comedy clubs.
[26:09] I thought I started selling out comedy clubs.
[26:12] My person at the time was like, yo, we can probably do theaters.
[26:15] You're adding a lot of shows.
[26:17] Are you a millionaire at this point?
[26:18] No.
[26:19] No.
[26:20] I'm just an active, active comic.
[26:22] The next stage of success, right, was let's go from comedy clubs to theaters.
[26:28] All right.
[26:29] Boom.
[26:30] Let's go here.
[26:31] Then let's go up again.
[26:33] Theater starts selling out real quick.
[26:35] Oh, fuck.
[26:36] Let's go from theaters, right, to like arenas.
[26:40] Oh, shit.
[26:41] We'll pack her.
[26:43] He was like, I got this book that I want to make a movie.
[26:46] It's called Think Like A Man. Steve Harvey wrote it.
[26:49] I think you're funny as hell.
[26:51] I've been tracking you on a tour.
[26:53] I want you to be the star.
[26:55] We film it.
[26:56] Think like a man comes out.
[26:57] Think like a man did 90 something million dollars in the box office.
[27:00] And Will says, hey, man, working with you is great.
[27:03] Let's do something else.
[27:04] I got this one called Ride Along.
[27:06] You and Ice Cube would be great.
[27:08] Boom.
[27:09] Ride Along does 140.
[27:10] Like the movies just started to pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.
[27:13] Get hard.
[27:14] Central intelligence.
[27:15] Me and the rock.
[27:16] I mean, it just happened so fast.
[27:18] So now, because the movies are working, I'm like, this is so cool.
[27:23] But while this is happening, I should figure out like,
[27:29] how to kind of create my own source of like opportunity.
[27:34] Like people keep bringing opportunities to me.
[27:37] How do I create my own source of opportunity?
[27:40] I'm going to start a production company.
[27:43] I need to start developing.
[27:45] But now I'm like, I created that.
[27:46] Let's create something else.
[27:47] So then I say, let's go like heartbeat ventures.
[27:50] And let's do a VC.
[27:52] Oh, man, I'm creating a bunch of stuff.
[27:54] Hey, these entities around me, it's all happening because my likeness.
[27:57] My likeness allows me to get in these rooms and start relationships
[28:01] and put myself in a position to make deals and create long-term revenue.
[28:06] How do I get more of that?
[28:08] Wow.
[28:10] Like NASCAR, people attach themselves to the car they think is doing the best.
[28:14] I'm a car.
[28:16] I should have brand partnerships.
[28:19] Chase.
[28:20] Drive Kings.
[28:21] Fabletics.
[28:23] I should have my own brands and businesses that I'm building
[28:27] where more opportunity for long-term revenue can present itself.
[28:31] Grand Cormino.
[28:33] Wine.
[28:34] Spirits.
[28:35] Now, oh wow, I've grabbed this concept of business control ownership
[28:41] and merited with Kevin's drive and entertainment and visibility.
[28:49] Leverage that to get me into the rooms where I may not be as visible or as strong
[28:57] but once I'm embedded into these environments, I can bring them value.
[29:01] I can help amplify or uplift their brands, their products.
[29:05] So my case study of Fabletics,
[29:11] of Drive Kings before I got there versus after I got there.
[29:16] Chase.
[29:17] Financial literacy.
[29:18] Like C4.
[29:19] Like these are things where I'm now, well, I'm not just a partner,
[29:24] I'm an owner, I'm an endorser, I'm an ambassador.
[29:29] Oh wow, this is where the real money is made.
[29:34] The ecosystem of life.
[29:37] How do you put yourself in a position to be a part of every day movement in life?
[29:45] You're looking at things at a much granular scale.
[29:49] And now I go way back here to when I was like not really focusing,
[29:56] not thinking about life, not thinking about how things connect.
[30:01] I'm now able to tap into the lessons that my mom gave.
[30:05] And I'm like all good things that happen happen when they're supposed to.
[30:10] And now I'm poised and polished enough with a mindset that understands,
[30:16] well, I don't want to start something that I'm not going to finish.
[30:19] So if I'm going to put myself in position to do these things,
[30:22] how do I make sure that my partners know I'm willing to give my all?
[30:27] How do I show that I'm not going to quit?
[30:30] Which back here, my mom's biggest lesson was you're not quitting.
[30:34] If you started, you're going to finish it.
[30:36] How do I make my partners that I'm now saying you should work with me?
[30:41] How do I make Netflix secure knowing that when you get me,
[30:44] you get 100% of me and that I'm never going to quit.
[30:47] I'm going to finish it all.
[30:49] How do I make my other studio affiliates understand and working with heartbeat?
[30:53] It is in my best interest to bring you great product, great material,
[30:57] so that you understand what we do so that we can continue to drive a business
[31:03] that has the best interest for both of us.
[31:05] How do I sell you on that?
[31:07] So now my business of sell mirrors and matches my business of growth.
[31:13] Nothing that I'm doing doesn't go hand in hand.
[31:16] And I should be able to embed the products or the partnerships that I'm now
[31:21] operationally like attached to into the ecosystem of entertainment.
[31:27] So if I have a C4 can and I'm doing an activation and health and wellness
[31:34] C4 is my partner, I should integrate you in this opportunity.
[31:38] Hey, my movie, we have an opportunity to basically wear product.
[31:43] I should be in fabletics in this scene because this makes my partner feel valued
[31:49] in position.
[31:50] Oh wow, this is what I do.
[31:53] I elevate, I basically navigate my space of ownership in a way like only I can
[32:02] to elevate my partners so that my partners go and say,
[32:07] you're different, this is different, and this will be more of.
[32:11] That's my graph.
[32:13] I've got some questions about the graph.
[32:15] So I guess the parts that I'm curious about are this initial period
[32:19] when you're 18 well, like nothing's really happening.
[32:21] Nothing.
[32:22] Because so many of my listeners, probably most of them are in some
[32:26] pursue sort of professional endeavor in their life in this kind of stagnant moment.
[32:30] Where maybe they enjoy it, but like it ain't paying the bills.
[32:34] No one believes in them.
[32:35] Maybe some of their friends are rolling their eyes when they tell them what they're doing.
[32:38] When you look back on this season of life, what is that season?
[32:41] And how did you get through it?
[32:43] Nobody believed that I was funny when I said I was going to be a comedian.
[32:49] They were like, you funny, but I comedian funny.
[32:53] Like my friends were, yeah, what do you mean?
[32:57] I'm going to get on stage.
[32:58] What do you mean?
[32:59] I'm going to get on stage.
[33:00] I'm going to be a comedian.
[33:01] Give it like how?
[33:02] Like Eddie Murphy.
[33:03] Like I'm going to be a comedian.
[33:04] Yeah, but you never going to be Eddie Murphy.
[33:06] Yeah, I know, but I'm saying like I'm going to do it.
[33:09] Like I'm going to be a star.
[33:11] No.
[33:12] I don't know, man.
[33:14] I don't know about the whole star thing.
[33:16] I think you're tripping.
[33:17] I think I don't think that's it.
[33:21] Nobody has the confidence in the decisions that you're making for yourself like you do.
[33:26] So if you're waiting for that to connect in the beginning stages, it may or may not.
[33:31] If it doesn't, it shouldn't prevent you from like following through on whatever the
[33:38] line of like go is for you.
[33:42] The money is never coming fast.
[33:46] We're in a time today where this generation has found ways to make money in an entrepreneurial
[33:54] manner that we've never seen before, like the social media machine and how this generation
[34:04] navigates that machine to find revenue and to own is unbelievable.
[34:12] That didn't exist.
[34:13] We didn't have that like in my time, we didn't have that.
[34:17] We just had the struggle and the struggle left you with days of like literally sitting
[34:23] in the living room going, what the fuck, man?
[34:26] So why didn't you quit?
[34:28] Because no money, everyone's doubting it.
[34:30] What were you believing in?
[34:32] I was believing in the idea that I finally found the thing that I want to do.
[34:35] So it was passion that was really you, I can tell.
[34:37] I found the thing that I want to do and I'm not going to quit it because I love it
[34:43] this much and I strongly believe that the sun is at the end of this dark tunnel, but
[34:50] I got to be willing to get there and I just don't know how to get there yet, but I'm
[34:55] going to figure it out.
[34:57] That's what I'm going to LA.
[35:00] I was in New York, but after New York they say go to LA, I'm going.
[35:04] What you going to do when you get there?
[35:05] I'll figure it out.
[35:08] I can always get on the plane and fly where I got to go for stand up if that's the case.
[35:11] I can always go and make money doing stand up if I have to, but I'm not going to get
[35:17] to the star by just doing that.
[35:20] I got to go there.
[35:22] I got to get close to it.
[35:24] I got to smell it.
[35:25] I got to feel it.
[35:26] I got to find out where the people are that are trying to do it too.
[35:29] I got to get acting classes.
[35:31] I got to get around the Hollywood.
[35:34] Like what is, I got to get there.
[35:37] And what happens when you're there, it fuels another like another appetite of hunger
[35:46] because I'm there in real time.
[35:48] I'm seeing people better.
[35:50] I remember, I tell this cat Williams story and I don't even think I told cat this.
[36:01] There was a moment where I was opening for cat Williams and I remember, I remember
[36:08] being at the BET comedy awards and I'm in attendance and this is like, you know, I had had
[36:16] a couple of shots at some things where they just, you know, the things weren't sticking.
[36:22] The pilots that thought were going to hit weren't going to hit.
[36:26] The things that I thought were going to happen, they just didn't seem like it was adding
[36:30] up, right?
[36:31] Like the roles are little small roles, a little small cameos, but like it wasn't the
[36:38] thing.
[36:39] And I remember cat Williams said during the BET comedy awards, he had like a leopard's
[36:45] suit, destroyed, destroyed the comedy awards, destroyed this moment and audience goes crazy
[36:55] stands up, I remember being in the audience and I was like, that's it.
[37:03] I said, that's the thing, that thing, that reaction, that roar, that moment, I got to be
[37:12] patient because my moment is going to come.
[37:15] I witnessed his moment and he, after that moment, Friday after next, you know, I mean, he
[37:24] went on and started to do crazy things in his career, right?
[37:29] And I witnessed the moment and in that moment, my takeaway was that he was ready for the
[37:35] moment.
[37:36] His material, the jokes, everything, it all hit.
[37:43] And I didn't watch it in a manner like jealous or angry.
[37:47] I was like, that's it, like he's probably out of here after this.
[37:55] I mean, it's the BET comedy awards at the time.
[37:58] I'm like, this is the biggest thing ever, right?
[38:00] It's the comedy awards.
[38:02] By the way, they never did the comedy awards again.
[38:05] I think this is like the last one that they did.
[38:07] But that moment, if the ball is dropped in that moment, then the moment goes.
[38:16] You don't know when the moment is presenting itself.
[38:20] But I'm staying with the thing because I know that the moment is going to come.
[38:25] And when I'm in the moment, if I knock that fucking moment out the part, all things will
[38:32] change.
[38:33] But you may not know it.
[38:34] You may not know when the moment comes.
[38:36] When did you moment come?
[38:37] Shacks All-Star Comedy Jam.
[38:38] And the reason why he created it with the story of a cat, I believe it was Tommy Davidson.
[38:45] I was D-Ray, Senator J. Entertainment, it was a host.
[38:48] I headlined it.
[38:51] I end up having one of the best sets that I've ever had.
[38:55] And at the end of the Shacks All-Star Comedy Jam, I say good night and they do like a slow
[38:59] motion walkoff.
[39:02] So slow motion thing, and it's like I'm walking, the crowd stands up, and they're going crazy.
[39:10] By the way, I don't know the slow motion walkoff is going to happen and the edit of the
[39:14] special.
[39:15] But I remember in real time, crowds standing up, stars were there.
[39:19] Everybody was there, right?
[39:22] In that moment, show you how fucking crazy the world is.
[39:27] This is why I hate that like me and Cat went through our stuff and we're much better
[39:33] now.
[39:34] I'm going to show you how the world aligns.
[39:37] Cat was in the audience.
[39:39] The Shacks All-Star Comedy Jam.
[39:42] Cat was watching the show.
[39:43] He was just there as a fan.
[39:44] But at this time, everything big is happening.
[39:49] And I had a moment.
[39:52] And that was the moment that then took me and shot me out the cannon.
[39:58] And if I wasn't prepared for the moment, and I wouldn't have known all the things to
[40:02] come, okay, but that then set up.
[40:04] I was releasing my special, my special, seriously funny, I was taping in two weeks.
[40:11] So Shacks All-Star Comedy Jam goes, they rushed to put it out, it crushes.
[40:16] I then taped my comedy special, seriously funny was my next special, seriously funny destroys.
[40:25] But it only destroyed because of Shacks All-Star Comedy Jam and the audience that watched
[40:30] that.
[40:31] And I was like, oh my God, this guy showed up in droves for seriously funny.
[40:36] And then seriously funny was like, oh shit, this big air special, and then the arenas
[40:42] and everything, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
[40:46] So about 12, 13 years, from the moment you did your first sort of stand up event, you
[40:52] having your moment.
[40:53] And I find that fascinating because those 13 years, most people aren't willing to do something
[40:58] for 13 years without their moment showing up.
[41:00] Like when you hear, I don't know, it's shit on Instagram or quotes or you watch motivational
[41:04] videos and stuff.
[41:06] If they told you that it would take 13 years for you to have your moment, almost nobody
[41:09] would take part.
[41:10] Nobody.
[41:11] No.
[41:12] But those 13 years of your training.
[41:13] I mean, so Scooter Braun took one time, he was like, what makes him different is the
[41:20] work that he's willing to do and something.
[41:23] And he was like, you know, if they were giving out like a million dollars for somebody
[41:31] that can hit a fastball pitch, you know, from the best picture in baseball, right?
[41:40] And this thing would basically require everybody, everybody's going to go and try to hit this
[41:46] because everybody wants the million dollars.
[41:48] So the first day of the announcement, the line to hit this pitch is going to be droves,
[41:57] right?
[41:58] There are millions of people who know how many people are being this line and people
[42:02] will go up and strike out.
[42:04] And as to that, they will go damn, it's over, like I missed.
[42:13] Not many people would like miss and then go stand back in line to go hit the ball again.
[42:20] He was like, I'm going to keep getting in line.
[42:25] What you'll find is that the line will get smaller and smaller because of how many people
[42:31] are dropping out and optioning not to wait and do the hard thing again.
[42:38] That comparison and that world of understanding is like something that equates the life very
[42:46] well, right?
[42:48] Not many people are going to wait through the 13 years of like bullshit, hard shit.
[42:55] Most people opt out at year two, maybe three, no money, whatever, I need to figure something
[43:02] else out.
[43:03] Year six, fuck this man, stupid, what am I doing, why am I doing it, right?
[43:08] I'm going to go find the quick avenue or the quick return because money is the, that's
[43:14] what it boils out to for most people.
[43:17] Where's the money, where am I making the money?
[43:22] When the money comes, it comes, what you find is that it's not hard to make money once
[43:30] you start making money, you learn how to make money, like you, it comes with education,
[43:37] it comes with understanding and it comes with a better resource of mine that makes you
[43:46] go, no, I'm going to do this and I'm going to build this and I'm going to go here, I'm
[43:49] going to meet, I'm going to present, I have an idea, I'm going to pitch it like you, you're
[43:52] now a much better machine because you understand money is no longer the thing that you think
[44:03] it was when you get to it, but getting to it, to get that understanding, you lose the
[44:10] pack, you lose the pack because the pack is like, I want it here because it didn't show
[44:16] up here, I got to go figure out a new thing to do that's going to give it to me here and
[44:20] they got a recycle like, yes, you're never completing anything, you never finish nothing.
[44:27] So the thing that you think you're focusing on, you keep quitting to start something else
[44:30] that you think is the idea and it's just a cycle, it's a cycle.
[44:34] Don't you notice that people come up to, I noticed it's a lot with young entrepreneurs,
[44:37] especially those that aren't having success, they start one thing, when they come and tell
[44:42] you what they do, they tell you 17 things.
[44:43] 17.
[44:44] None of them ever work for they say 17 things and they think that more, doing more things
[44:49] is increasing the probability of success.
[44:51] That's it, what that was said, where it's the opposite, it's the opposite, it's the
[44:57] thing that you actually thought of that you are going to put a hundred percent of your
[45:03] mind and focus into to complete and then after that, you're able to pick it apart and take
[45:09] the good, the bad, the whatever and either restart that thing again to improve it or make
[45:15] a decision to do something else, but she finished.
[45:18] I made the choice to stand up comedy was what I was going to finish.
[45:22] I made a choice that becoming a good comic and a good headliner, if I focused and did
[45:27] it well, that would open up the doors for me to do everything else that I want to do.
[45:34] If I don't have that, how do I expect to get in?
[45:40] I was speaking to Evan at Snapchat and he was talking about T-shaped people, so you have
[45:43] like a broad understanding of a lot of things, but then you're like really deep on one particular
[45:48] thing.
[45:49] That one particular thing is almost, I guess you could see it as like screw that gets you
[45:52] into the industries, so for me, mine would have originally been marketing, but I was able
[45:57] to use that like deep expertise to then launch this media business because it's still the
[46:00] same game of marketing that I did for 15 years, I was able to go into like the stock market
[46:05] because they really needed to understand marketing and it was that deep expertise and one thing
[46:09] that was my leverage in all of these really interesting rooms and it's kind of what you
[46:12] were saying at the start, like you had this deep expertise, this deep IP experience value
[46:17] that allowed you to like break in as an investor and then to production in all these other
[46:20] areas.
[46:21] I mean, the value for me, it was self, but the value of self and understanding of how
[46:30] to truly control and operate that and navigate that correctly, that's a world of its own.
[46:38] So the bigger that the star gets, the brighter that the star shines, if you are paying attention,
[46:49] it's only positioning you to go in places where people say, oh my God, I know you and where
[46:55] you can shake your hand, but the interest of just knowing you because of the place from
[46:59] the star, it allows a moment for the conversation of, so what does that you do?
[47:06] Oh my God, like that's, that's so cool.
[47:09] I would love to learn more about that and what you'll find is that the resource of opportunity
[47:14] over there and this, oh my God, are you serious?
[47:16] We would love to partner with you and something like this.
[47:18] I mean, in this space, are you talking about mental health, wellness, listen, strong voices
[47:25] and confident voices or inspiring voices, there could be a lot for us and what we do here.
[47:30] Hey, maybe there's a partnership that we can form.
[47:34] Oh my God, man, back to school, kids, I love kids.
[47:36] I'm thinking about doing more, like here's something where I think I can have a very,
[47:40] very good cadence and a very good energy towards getting kids hype about school education
[47:48] because it's not something that I took serious.
[47:50] How do I help?
[47:52] Where did you learn?
[47:53] So when I look at this graph here, I see this sort of moment where things become go up
[47:58] into the right very quickly where you start to get into entrepreneurship.
[48:01] But at this moment that comes before it, you didn't know this stuff, so at some point
[48:05] you acquired information.
[48:06] So for the people that are listening now that are thinking like, how did Kevin go from
[48:09] a kid that was in this rough area, dad wasn't around much, his mom was raising him to
[48:14] a guy that knows all this stuff.
[48:16] You get there now by being a sponge and not being afraid to ask questions.
[48:24] I'm very secure in myself and being the dummy in the room.
[48:32] I'm extremely secure and saying, I don't know what that means.
[48:38] Explain that.
[48:39] Give me an example of a context where you can give you several like venture and investing.
[48:46] I was a firm believer that nobody's stealing my money and give you nothing.
[48:53] You're going to go and put it where and no, my money going to stay right here under my
[48:58] bed.
[48:59] I'm not doing that.
[49:00] So give you.
[49:01] You want me to give you money and you telling me you're going to get, you're going to take
[49:06] that money and then that money is going to turn into what?
[49:11] Yeah.
[49:12] Okay.
[49:13] Go find you another idiot because it ain't happening over here, buddy.
[49:18] Get your scamming ass up out of here.
[49:20] Okay.
[49:21] I come from the world of everything is a scam.
[49:23] Okay.
[49:24] It's a fucking scam.
[49:25] I know a scam when I see one, all right.
[49:28] But when you go and you say, well, how does the stock market really work or how does investing
[49:33] really work or what you mean you make a money while you sleep?
[49:37] What does that mean?
[49:39] What do you mean by that?
[49:40] I know this is brand partnership ship really work like you.
[49:45] You can't be afraid to verbalize your ignorance and the bigger problem which I'm sure a lot
[49:56] of your viewers have is insecurely just being quiet about the shit that they don't know
[50:11] as if you're going to figure it out because someday, one day, somebody's going to go, hey,
[50:16] you look like you need to know it'll never happen that way.
[50:22] It's never going to happen.
[50:24] You're never going to run into a person who's randomly going to talk about the things that
[50:28] you wish you had more knowledge in.
[50:31] It will never happen and what you'll find is that information is not free but it's available.
[50:39] It's not actually hard to obtain.
[50:40] It's only hard to people that are very insecure about just verbalizing.
[50:48] I don't know where to get it.
[50:51] Look at how many how-tos, help-tos, all of these things a day.
[50:57] The success that we're seeing in entrepreneur and influencer, streamer and all of this
[51:01] of entertainment is the same success that you're seeing and we can call it motivational
[51:09] speakers how-to-experts, step one through five and what to do.
[51:14] The idea of I'm here to serve a shoe and give you the information that you don't know
[51:19] is available.
[51:20] Let me tell you how to get it.
[51:21] Here's where I'm going to help you, three easy steps to making sure that you can and
[51:28] I don't care if you want to go to the world of athletics or you want to go to corporate
[51:33] or you want to go to entertainment like you can break it down.
[51:36] Golf, you know how much money is being made in a game of golf because you got millions
[51:43] of people that are trying to give people information or how to better improve your golf swing
[51:50] because I don't want to say I allowed my swing and shit but I don't know man.
[51:55] I keep coming down on top of the ball, why the fuck am I coming down on top of the
[51:59] ball.
[52:00] I don't know what's happening and some people would rather go out and they backyard every
[52:04] day and hit the same ball and just ask somebody, hey man, anyway did you tell me how to come
[52:12] like what, how you get that bitch in the air?
[52:15] So now people on line go, well we're just going to put it out here and that person I struggle
[52:20] in quietly, what are you going to discover me in incimates, they'll watch and they'll
[52:25] look to improve because nobody knows and they still get the quiet, that's the problem.
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[53:32] There's also unknown unknowns which you would have experienced, I remember you talking
[53:36] about you got to see behind curtains and you didn't even know people were behind that
[53:40] and when I heard you say that, it was the perfect metaphor and analogy for exactly what
[53:45] I had experienced.
[53:46] My life coming from a kid that came from a very normal background was born in Africa, moved
[53:50] to the UK, mothers and I during dad's English and didn't know that all these like rich people
[53:56] were back here playing money games.
[53:58] I thought the way you make money is you're like working McDonald's, you like work really
[54:01] hard, you might become manager and then I'm going to say 27 being sat in a billionaire's
[54:07] kitchen and watching him on the phone and he's calling his boy and they're doing 15 million
[54:12] just before the IPO happens so that they get a better price and I'm thinking, fuck in
[54:17] hell.
[54:18] It's all, the thing I've realized when you look at your biggest investors, you'll find
[54:29] it they're all together.
[54:33] None of them are investing in the new thing alone.
[54:38] They all are like, well, it's better with you.
[54:43] So do it with me.
[54:44] What about Gary?
[54:45] Yeah, call Gary too.
[54:46] Let's see if we can get him in here.
[54:47] What about Michelle?
[54:48] Yeah.
[54:49] Hey, Michelle, what about Melissa?
[54:51] All right, you'll find that this group of 10 people, all who would easily do something
[54:58] on their own, do not believe in the struggles of self when you can combine this machine
[55:06] of great minds to provide another great opportunity and in success, well, this thing works.
[55:14] The company gets bigger.
[55:15] Well, let's use our resources to go out and make sure that we align the person that
[55:21] they already have with more amazing individuals, create more jobs, more opportunities for new
[55:27] minds to become successful.
[55:30] And then in those minds, building and that personnel like elevating, well, now this
[55:37] personnel was at the bottom here.
[55:39] We then go and ask this person to run this thing.
[55:42] And now underneath this thing, we get another version of a downpour, new minds, new personnel,
[55:49] new things.
[55:50] Okay, this whole business, adventure, this whole business of company build, whether it's
[55:55] tech lifestyle, health.
[55:58] It doesn't matter what it is, you will notice that the people that started from the bottom
[56:02] are now running the new companies of today.
[56:05] And now the source of personnel that's underneath it will be the minds running the company
[56:10] of tomorrow.
[56:13] It's not like rocket science, once you're behind the curtain, once you go, oh, shit.
[56:22] I remember when I first started like, investment is all my God, Kevin, like, you're money
[56:27] and this would add a crazy amount of value.
[56:29] Well, I ain't putting them, would y'all put them?
[56:31] No, but the fact that you're involved in it and all is just big, that you believe in
[56:35] it.
[56:36] And we're able to say that you believe in it with us is huge.
[56:39] What do you mean by that?
[56:41] You trying to fucking steal?
[56:42] What are you doing?
[56:43] What are you doing, man?
[56:44] You're talking too fast.
[56:45] Say what you said against slow down so I understand it.
[56:49] Don't talk fast to me because I'm so insecure because I don't know what you're saying and
[56:54] it might be some shit in here.
[56:57] But it's not.
[56:58] Well, we know that you're doing well over here and your movies and all that stuff is cool,
[57:04] but this is different.
[57:06] This business, Kevin, could be different for you.
[57:09] It's a business of multiple.
[57:11] So we play the game of multiples of X.
[57:15] So what you're money is today, what we think in success, if this is a light bulb or a bottle
[57:20] rocket, you 30 X, 20 X.
[57:23] You're telling me that if I put this money in here right now, and if my voice is attached
[57:31] to the thing that I think it is, which is a crazy, crazy venture, a crazy opportunity,
[57:38] well, yeah, Kevin, I mean, look, we all believe that for your voice, we may be able to say
[57:43] it a little louder, oh my, oh my, okay, well, I did it.
[57:48] Oh my, I won, I got a return, oh my, oh, oh, oh, so now I figured it out.
[58:00] Now, now you're a part of the right conversations, you're a part of the right opportunities.
[58:05] But once again, the information is discovered because of the opportunity to be the flower
[58:12] in the wall and the spaces that you never imagined yourself being in.
[58:16] And now look at what I'm able to do.
[58:18] I'm able to take this information, take all the shit that I know, come and have these
[58:23] fucking organic conversations like I am now, and we're sharing it.
[58:29] And some people that are watching this are going to take that information and go, I know
[58:34] it.
[58:35] And I'm doing the right thing.
[58:36] And it's a matter of time before I get around them.
[58:39] And when I do, oh my God, the things that I have, the stuff that I have on the table,
[58:43] the things that I have created, the opportunities, I'ma be the next person to bring the thing
[58:49] that everybody else is involved in.
[58:51] I'ma be the next person to be the fucking energy source to tomorrow's future, future
[58:57] within.
[58:58] Like, people just need to hear how fast it happens, quick it happens, and when it does
[59:05] what you're supposed to be ready for.
[59:07] You're able to invest in lots of great companies like Function Health.
[59:10] It's valued at 2.5 billion now, 11 labs, everybody knows.
[59:14] In the tech space, those 11 labs, which were valued at 3 billion now, MoonPay, young
[59:20] other labs, sweat pals, radian, nor organics, palter, tons of stuff, stuff that you would
[59:25] never expect me to be at.
[59:27] How much of this game have you learnt in hindsight is about people, about like getting
[59:33] it, because even when that person was saying to you that analogy you gave, they're telling
[59:36] you to put your money into this thing and you're going, fuck me, are they stealing?
[59:39] You're going to have to lean on someone you trust, someone in your circle that you know.
[59:44] And I'm wondering, because people don't talk about it enough, how important it is to
[59:48] like collect the right people.
[59:51] And can you think of moments where you like met a person, and that was like game changing
[59:56] and you understanding a whole new world on what was behind the curtain?
[59:59] All of our people could see this, I'm just going to be extremely transparent.
[1:00:06] Before you get to the right people, you run through wrong people.
[1:00:10] And with wrong people, you can go like, they're wrong, they don't work.
[1:00:15] I got to get somebody else, or you can grow with people.
[1:00:20] I'm a believer of the grow, right, like I think it's dope when we can all say we started
[1:00:27] a certain way, but we're ending up in a completely different space.
[1:00:32] Along that journey of grow, some people won't make it.
[1:00:36] You can be patient and you can want the best for some, but they might not want the same
[1:00:41] for themselves.
[1:00:42] So because of that, the fall off presents itself to be a little more consistent than what
[1:00:49] it should be, right?
[1:00:52] But in business, what you'll find is that the emotions can be your like, can be your
[1:01:01] worst asset.
[1:01:03] Having emotions in business attached to business can be everything but beneficial to the business.
[1:01:11] So the more that I was able to detach my emotions from the world of one and understand that
[1:01:20] the things that I'm doing are to better position the business.
[1:01:25] And the people that have worked so hard to help this business get to where it is today,
[1:01:29] I have a service to them as well.
[1:01:32] How do I bring in the right valuable assets to put us in a bigger position to win?
[1:01:39] Sometimes you got to let go of things that you thought would be the thing, but you can
[1:01:44] climax.
[1:01:45] You can get to a place where it's a ceiling and like, when I get in past the ceiling,
[1:01:49] unless we go get the right people, unless we go get the correct personnel.
[1:01:52] So I'm a firm believer in talent.
[1:01:55] I'm a firm believer in rewarding those that do a job and that can do a job at a high
[1:02:03] level.
[1:02:04] But the only way that you realize that is to get out of the way.
[1:02:07] Add to learn to stop trying to control everything, stop trying to do everything, stop trying
[1:02:11] to be with the one with my hands in everything and put people in a position to do the thing
[1:02:17] that they've been hired to do and do it well.
[1:02:21] But the patience that you have to have in learning people and dealing with people is a
[1:02:31] talent within itself.
[1:02:33] I want to say like you're at this stage, I'm more of a hard drive of other people's issues
[1:02:45] or problems than I am a person.
[1:02:51] I am a hard drive of, can I talk to you?
[1:02:57] I want to tell you what's going on.
[1:02:58] I have an issue with, hey man, look, I'm trying to do this.
[1:03:02] I don't know what they're trying to do.
[1:03:04] Here's what I'm trying to do.
[1:03:05] And you have to be a positive source of solution all day every day.
[1:03:10] Because if you're talking and you're talking to do anything but solve, then you shouldn't
[1:03:15] be in the chair of control.
[1:03:17] So I am solution driven every single day.
[1:03:22] Because I am faced with a new problem attached to the ecosystem and the community that I built
[1:03:27] underneath me of how to navigate or how to better navigate in the world because everybody's
[1:03:33] trying to do something to prove that they're worthy of the seat or seats that they have
[1:03:39] or that they want.
[1:03:41] So every day you're dealing with a board of shuffle and a new board of opportunity.
[1:03:47] And drama.
[1:03:48] And every day you're telling people not now and time, slow up, I hear you, we'll deal
[1:03:56] with it.
[1:03:58] Let's all talk together.
[1:04:00] Communication is key.
[1:04:02] Let's table this and make sure everybody's on the same page.
[1:04:05] They're saying things five and six times because you have to make sure that you're the
[1:04:10] best example of what you're speaking.
[1:04:13] So every day the thing that you never thought would come into play is communication and
[1:04:23] like the ability to fucking give great dialogue and the hopes of getting the return of effort
[1:04:30] and work.
[1:04:31] So now you're going back to ground zero when you were with your mom and you were with
[1:04:35] your friends in the early days of life, what was the thing that I told you I did very well.
[1:04:41] I connected with everybody and lunchroom, I was at everybody's table.
[1:04:46] There matter who you were, what you were, what race didn't matter.
[1:04:50] In this space of now business and corporation, if everybody doesn't feel like they can trust
[1:04:56] a belief or follow my direction, my vision, something about what I'm doing is wrong.
[1:05:05] How does one build an empire that relies on people when they naturally don't come from
[1:05:14] a place of that information?
[1:05:15] So they might have trust issues, like you were referring to these kind of trust issues,
[1:05:18] like wait a minute, you're trying to steal my money, how does, you've got this big
[1:05:21] empire of lots of different verticals within within heartbeat and your companies and your
[1:05:25] personal IP, you're going to have to be trusting a lot of other people with your wealth,
[1:05:31] with your business and with your with your children's inheritance.
[1:05:35] And I hear so many of these stories of I trusted a guy and I lost everything, especially
[1:05:40] honestly, especially in the like black community.
[1:05:43] It's a major fact, but we're also a community that gets taken advantage of because of the
[1:05:52] lack of knowledge, right?
[1:05:56] We get fucked over more than we don't because all right, well, it says here that you're a
[1:06:02] lawyer and that you have my best interests, all right, it says that you're my manager
[1:06:08] and you have my best interests.
[1:06:11] All right, well, you read the paperwork, all right, you read the contract and it's good,
[1:06:19] and I'm just signing, right?
[1:06:21] My ignorance doesn't mean that I'm lazy.
[1:06:24] My ignorance means that I believe you and I don't know the second guess or second check
[1:06:32] or to hire or one more people, two second guess, two second check, two show me fine print,
[1:06:42] fine line because it's impossible.
[1:06:43] I can't get fucked because you said, well, yeah, I can't.
[1:06:48] But you said, go back to the emotions and why say emotions had to be removed.
[1:06:58] I'm going to have somebody look at this just so I know what it is or what it is.
[1:07:02] I wouldn't lie to you.
[1:07:03] I know, but it's in the best nature of business just for me to make sure that my eyes, that
[1:07:08] I have laid eyes on it and they can just say what you just said, but just make sure I understand
[1:07:12] it correctly.
[1:07:13] Yeah, but you don't have to do that.
[1:07:15] There's nothing to get you.
[1:07:17] It's just a practice that I have within the way that I now approach business and anything
[1:07:22] that you do, it's never personal.
[1:07:25] I don't take a fence to anything that you want to check or background check or me.
[1:07:30] You should.
[1:07:31] It's business.
[1:07:33] I think that we don't get a fair level of understanding for our fuck ups, for our
[1:07:41] mishaps of how the road was in this cell for somebody to take from me.
[1:07:47] So when I'm recovering from the take, well, you got to start at a safe space.
[1:07:54] My space was never safe because they're sharks.
[1:07:56] So they focus on the fucking prey.
[1:08:00] The young talent in a music business is prey.
[1:08:04] So the sharks see the young talent, whichever one gets their first has an opportunity to
[1:08:11] fucking give me the presentation of the world and make it bells, whistles and candy.
[1:08:15] Well, if I get there right and the prey doesn't have the right people around them, I'm
[1:08:20] going with the shark every time.
[1:08:21] I guess you, there is an element of responsibility here, which people don't like to acknowledge
[1:08:26] that you've got to take responsibility, but I signed bad contracts in my career.
[1:08:30] And I was like, I look back at 20 years, I guess I lost a lot there, but that was on
[1:08:35] me.
[1:08:36] And if I don't take responsibility, then it's going to happen again.
[1:08:39] But there's also you, you'll know a lot of people that become victims.
[1:08:42] I don't think it's the worst thing, right?
[1:08:45] Like it's, when it happens early on, like, I got a lot of friends that are in the music
[1:08:51] business, a lot of artists that are now independent artists that control and own their labels and are
[1:08:56] doing much better at this position than they were when they were signed underneath the
[1:09:00] big thing and they were getting taken.
[1:09:02] But after finding out how it was and why it was, it's time to go create my own.
[1:09:07] Like, you know, when you look at the biggest labels that are independent and you look at
[1:09:11] the artists that fall underneath these independent labels, well, you'll look at a blueprint of
[1:09:16] people following the person that was like in front of them and what they said, but it's
[1:09:24] only because they learned the business of the business, right?
[1:09:28] Like, so being a part of a business that's just succeeding and you being embedded into
[1:09:34] it and just being the work for hire to just follow the suit, what they say, well, that's
[1:09:38] not smart.
[1:09:39] If you have an opportunity to mirror what they're doing and create your own.
[1:09:42] So what I do like within the culture is a lot of the artists that are independent or
[1:09:48] that are that are now like able to say I have my own version, whether it's studio, production
[1:09:57] company, label, independent label, whether it's online of product that they share ownership
[1:10:04] with.
[1:10:05] Like, people are now learning to follow and repeat what the conglomerates are doing.
[1:10:13] I can use a conglomerate and I can take your machine and create a small version of a
[1:10:19] machine underneath yours and partner with you and give you a piece of my machine, but
[1:10:25] it allows me to own, I can leverage the, the, the bank of opportunity and consumer that
[1:10:31] you have here under this brand.
[1:10:35] What's the cost, though, because you know, you're incredibly successful.
[1:10:38] You've got all this empire of companies and businesses and ventures you started.
[1:10:42] They say that you can't have everything in life, especially not at the same time.
[1:10:46] So what is the cost of this pursuit because time, time, is your ambition like an unsatiable?
[1:10:53] Yes.
[1:10:54] You just won't, you couldn't switch it off if you wanted to.
[1:10:57] And does that not make you feel like you're being dragged versus being driven?
[1:11:00] You for sure have your days.
[1:11:01] I'm absolutely stressed out.
[1:11:03] I'm stressed to forget them daily, but I operate within stress.
[1:11:08] Are you happy?
[1:11:09] I'm 1000% happy, but I'm stressed out with the concept of I have to do.
[1:11:16] If you were life ended now, good for a bit, do you think if you, if you found out today
[1:11:21] that it was ended, you would reflect on it and say, you know, I think I might have had
[1:11:24] things in the wrong order.
[1:11:25] Would there be any misparatization in hindsight?
[1:11:27] If today was the day, if life ended today, I could cross my legs comfortably and be okay
[1:11:38] that it's that it's time.
[1:11:41] I did it correctly.
[1:11:42] I made sure that I applied myself to the best of my ability.
[1:11:49] I tried my best to put those that I loved in a better position so that they could see
[1:11:54] more and do more.
[1:11:57] My last name and my family name is much stronger today than it was yesterday.
[1:12:06] The idea of the world is something that I was able to see and understand better because
[1:12:14] I was blessed and fortunate enough to travel and meet so many people are made to like we're
[1:12:27] here to embrace, we're here to love, we're here to like share.
[1:12:32] I was an energy source of good to bring people closer together through all things that
[1:12:38] I've done.
[1:12:39] But all connects and I'm okay.
[1:12:42] I'm okay with, if it stopped, it stopped.
[1:12:49] What I'm not okay with is what I have the bandwidth of good health.
[1:12:56] Fucking great mind, strong, fucking like mind, concept and I can go, I can do it, I can
[1:13:05] get there.
[1:13:07] I'm not okay with wasting that time.
[1:13:12] I'm not okay with wasting my time of good and I can do and I'm strong enough to connect
[1:13:18] at a very high level.
[1:13:21] My star is bright, which allows me to go and get into these spaces.
[1:13:26] If I wait for this to dim out and I try to give them to these spaces, what if I can't?
[1:13:30] Is there always a fear because of where you came from that perspective?
[1:13:33] Absolutely.
[1:13:34] Absolutely, like you can't be unrealistic.
[1:13:39] Nothing is going to last forever.
[1:13:41] Nothing.
[1:13:42] I'm gonna fuck who you are, it's not true.
[1:13:46] You can recreate it.
[1:13:47] You can figure out ways to find success again and again.
[1:13:53] But the one thing that you are winning in, you're not going to win in it forever.
[1:13:58] I love talking about my guy, man, Hove and Rubin, Michael Rubin, two great friends, but
[1:14:10] two good examples of recreation, amplification and step repeat, successful rapper, albums.
[1:14:22] Some albums Hove will never make again.
[1:14:25] You know, look at them all like they are all the best.
[1:14:28] Some of you think are better than others, but the fight to be the thing that you were
[1:14:35] when it was at your highest is a driving factor to get you, but then as a talent, you let
[1:14:41] go of that because you become comfortable knowing that I'm never going to create that again.
[1:14:47] That was my lightning and the bottle moment.
[1:14:49] I'm never going to create this again, but I can have fun doing what I'm doing and I
[1:14:55] can create a variation of versions of this that still display my talent and that I'm doing
[1:15:01] it at a high level.
[1:15:03] Man, you know what, this right here, it could cap out, but boy, oh boy, did I find fucking
[1:15:09] momentum and now the movies or in Hove's case is the example I was using, he then found
[1:15:15] momentum and, well, this thing, the Rockefeller thing, him, Dame created this thing and then
[1:15:23] the artist underneath the thing and the progression of the artist underneath that brand has started
[1:15:29] to go, pow, pow, Kanye, pow, state property, B.E.C. or pow, pow, pow, we got all this
[1:15:35] fuel, pow, now this thing was so dope that we were able to create other people.
[1:15:40] That's more energy.
[1:15:42] So now I don't need the fucking, I don't need the right, I'm looking at the product of
[1:15:48] a valuable asset that we created that's premium enough to display that the talent that comes
[1:15:54] from underneath us is strong fucking talent and we do amazing things.
[1:16:01] Now my business, because of this business, what this business becomes great to, a suspense
[1:16:06] and do say, oh shit, the value, the exit, the return, he keeps finding more energy in these
[1:16:13] other things. Oh shit, 40, 40 club, more assets, more brand, likeness, partnership, ownership,
[1:16:23] but the backdrop to it all is the artist.
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[1:18:32] Monday the 24th of November. If you're listening now, you've got to go and watch it. The title
[1:18:36] of the show, acting my age. What do you mean acting my age? Why now? You got to grow up.
[1:18:47] I think it's one of the toughest things in life is just realizing what grow up actually
[1:18:57] means. You can be an adult but still not embrace what being an adult actually is. When
[1:19:09] it's time to grow up, you start sacrificing the shit that the younger version of you with
[1:19:19] less responsibilities thrived and flourished off of and then you realize that a lot of
[1:19:26] that shit gets thrown on the back burner and it's no longer important because you're
[1:19:33] fucking getting older and some shit just isn't the same. I just made a decision to let
[1:19:41] go of a certain version of life and embrace my age and all the fun that comes with it.
[1:19:48] What about being a man? It's confusing. I think it's more confusing than ever for many
[1:19:51] to be a man and we often talk about this masculinity crisis where men have less male friends
[1:19:57] than ever before. The stats are pretty shocking on this. The suicide, suicide Asian is 300
[1:20:03] to 400% higher in men. There's a college degree gap for every two men who earn a bachelor's
[1:20:08] degree in the women in the US, three women do. There's a workforce dropout rate which is
[1:20:13] pretty terrifying. Millions of prime age men between the age of 24 and 50 are no longer
[1:20:18] in the labor force representing an almost 10% drop. Being a man is tough these days for
[1:20:25] a bunch of different reasons. You got a plethora. A plethora of plethora. It's not straight
[1:20:31] forward. Polluted waters, even I call it. Extremely polluted waters. What advice have you
[1:20:38] got for young men in terms of what it takes to be a good man? I think the definition
[1:20:45] of a good man is so foggy today. I'm a firm believer that change comes within time. I'll
[1:20:57] start by saying it and I understand that nothing should stay the same. Everything should evolve
[1:21:06] when it's evolving. The conversation of a man and what makes a man a man is weird. It's not
[1:21:17] evolving. I was raised on a foundation of a leader or leadership and I think recipes to my dad
[1:21:30] fucked up a road that my dad had. My dad's like later years were driven from accountability. I'm
[1:21:45] aware of what I didn't do. I'm aware of the mistakes that I made and I'm aware of what I should have
[1:21:51] did much better. I can't change those things but I would love to try to be the best grandfather
[1:21:59] or grandparent that I can be. Kevin, I love you and I love your brother but I can't go back. I
[1:22:08] can only say I'm sorry and I wish I could. You don't have to. Like the grandkids of your focus
[1:22:14] and if you can be the dopest example of a grandpop to them then that's the win for me at this point
[1:22:22] but it's accountability in that moment is what I remember the most about my father and love the most
[1:22:28] because leadership or lack thereof put me in a position to say I don't want to do that. I want to
[1:22:38] do this and not because my dad is like the worst but fuck man if he didn't do these things wrong
[1:22:46] back the time and shit in I wouldn't know how to do them right. So now I got two boys and I want to
[1:22:54] make sure that my example of man to my to my sons is leadership responsibility it's accountability
[1:23:05] emotions. You know I'm not against emotions but I am also I am a student of everybody has problems
[1:23:17] nobody there's not a shortage of problems so the weight of the world that you feel is the heaviest
[1:23:22] for you may not come close to what the weight of the world is for you and I think in sharing your
[1:23:29] emotions and having an opportunity to voice or offload them extremely important but you also in a
[1:23:40] world where you know weakness can at some point in time be taken advantage of right you are in the
[1:23:48] world of like pray and and and and and shocks as I presented earlier and it doesn't mean that your
[1:23:57] emotions don't matter because they do it means that you also have to be smart and aware right and
[1:24:05] what are you ultimately trying your best to become and what are you ultimately trying to be the
[1:24:11] best example for yourself first and then others for I don't mind being weak but I talk to my kids
[1:24:20] I talk to them and I voice your dad those are struggles that you'll never know about because
[1:24:25] I don't want you to have to feel the burden of them it's my job to try my best to make life
[1:24:30] easier for you so that you can go on and do way more than I ever have it's my job to give you the
[1:24:37] opportunities to learn shit that I never knew that I could learn at this stage but I'm going to make
[1:24:41] sure that I communicate with you differently than I was communicated with I'm not going to let you
[1:24:46] fuck off and take advantage of the things that you have as resources at your fingertips I'm not
[1:24:50] going to let you tell me the things that you think you should do because you feel when I know right
[1:24:54] now at this stage in your life what's best for you that's my format of parenting and it doesn't
[1:25:01] mean it's the same for others but for the man that I am I know the type of man and I want my kids
[1:25:09] to be based off of what my outcome was and is and I think that if I correctly position them to
[1:25:16] simply understand in your older age you make whatever decisions you want I'm your father I'm
[1:25:22] going to love you regardless as no care worried me I want to know that I did my job for what I was
[1:25:28] supposed to control and I want to know that our conversations and our dialogue was always straight
[1:25:35] up and straightforward enough to where you were comfortable to talk to me and you were comfortable
[1:25:40] and feeling like your father has your best interests that's for me that's my makeup and in the
[1:25:48] time today my makeup doesn't have to fit yours and I'm okay with that and I'm okay with yours being
[1:25:57] whatever it is for you but I think we're in a time the day where society wants to fight with one
[1:26:02] another about it's just too much of like well if you don't see it my way then you're dumb yeah
[1:26:08] and I think that's why the conversation has gotten so inconsistent and polluted that's my personal
[1:26:17] opinion and my side of information attached to it so hopefully you know your viewers can hear
[1:26:23] that and understand it and know it's okay we're not being okay with my choice it's okay
[1:26:30] Kevin we have a closing tradition where the last guest leaves a question for the next not
[1:26:33] knowing who they're leaving it for the question left for you is what is the advice you got as an
[1:26:37] adult that had the most significant impact on your life I'm gonna go to the best the best views
[1:26:46] of ice cable Chris rock where Chris rock told me earlier in my comedy career he says
[1:26:51] his exact word is you don't just want to make niggas laugh the world is so much bigger
[1:26:58] than your block or your neighborhood he said get out the country get out the country
[1:27:04] and figure out a way to make the world laugh and comedy will be so much better
[1:27:11] at that point I was very like specific in my material
[1:27:15] 50 Mary you know we got these the drugstore it's crazy you ever had a guy in the drugstore in
[1:27:24] your block and it's like well everybody doesn't relate or can't relate how do you broaden it how do
[1:27:30] you how do you open it up so that you're never changing your material or who you are everywhere
[1:27:35] you go in the world people can laugh and you never have to adjust get out the country get bigger
[1:27:43] in the way you're thinking about your craft I mean you've done that across the board and across
[1:27:50] industries now you've been willing to be the person the outsider in lots of rooms that seems to be
[1:27:56] really central to your success and Chris rock said you there was get out into the unfamiliar
[1:28:01] go put yourself in an unfamiliar place when I look at your career and the empire that you've
[1:28:04] been able to build across business and investing it's exactly that it's you are willing to be
[1:28:08] in unfamiliar territories for some reason yeah yeah you know what you just made me think about too
[1:28:13] and I'm on a bad trip before we leave one thing is like kind of crazy just when you were talking
[1:28:20] about the conversation of man like it's a weird thing that's happening where you do have men
[1:28:25] that are opening up more and talking more about like the struggles of a man but then those things are
[1:28:33] like being used against them and the conversation of man like when you get to talk about like the
[1:28:42] things that you're dealing with in the emotion and stuff like of the mental health and the weight like
[1:28:48] it seems that in this time today more men are being forward and wanting to express in talk
[1:28:56] but the fear of being judged after do you have that fear no I don't I don't get shit I don't really
[1:29:03] I don't care too much what people think have you struggled with your mental health no
[1:29:07] no I think I told you my shit is like more more stress it's not a struggle it's like
[1:29:12] is that anxiety or is it is it no just like I know I do too much yeah like I know I know I know
[1:29:19] for a fact that wasn't symptom of that how do you feel like you have to like you have to shut down
[1:29:24] so like when I'm getting better at it is in a day that's how I just don't I'm off the phone
[1:29:30] I got it I know I told them I would do calls just tell them I'll start that tomorrow or the day after
[1:29:35] but like there's a there's a time where I get to a point in a day when I'm like okay that oh that's
[1:29:40] it for me you're done that's my yeah like and I'm literally I'm done I don't want to I don't want to
[1:29:45] talk about anything else I don't want to I don't want to hear so you're pushing yourself right up
[1:29:50] to the edge over and over and over and over and over again I get to a point in a day and at
[1:29:54] timeline when I'm shutting off has gotten earlier and earlier whereas before it was you know we
[1:30:01] are tonight I'm still on a phone figuring it out and all day you just been racing and racing and
[1:30:06] racing so I think the older that I've gotten I realized more and more that's not healthy
[1:30:14] the healthy side comes with silence for a sec like you need some you need some silence
[1:30:21] and riding a car by yourself no music sounds a bit like a disease no you need silence do you know
[1:30:28] what I mean by it sounds a bit like a disease because this is something that's taking you to a
[1:30:31] point where it's like it's kind of hurting you a little bit and I can relate so it's not like I'm
[1:30:34] like passing judgment because you just describe my entire life you're not going to be as present
[1:30:39] with your loved ones you're not going to be as present in your relationship I know you're married
[1:30:42] you've got four kids how are you ever going to be like truly present when your brain is like yes
[1:30:50] but also how do you how do you become comfortable with being okay with people not understanding
[1:30:57] that's the trick like I hate to say it bluntly yeah I used to have such a high level of give a
[1:31:03] fuck attached to how you felt about my decisions that were best for me oh god I don't want to say
[1:31:08] because they're going to feel like I'm not doing that's going to be crazy I don't know I'm just do it
[1:31:15] because I'm thinking more about you than I'm thinking about me right I'm putting everybody before
[1:31:21] me I'm putting everybody's needs everybody's wants everybody's reasons all before me nobody is
[1:31:28] thinking about the volume of dialogue that I'm delivering on a day-to-day basis and how much of
[1:31:37] that like happens over and over again nobody's thinking about it so the day that I became comfortable
[1:31:44] with going I don't really give a fuck if like they understand or not like I'm done I know but they
[1:31:50] feel it's really important you got to do it today I'll talk to them tomorrow nothing's going to happen
[1:31:54] nothing's going to change from this time to that time you have to get to a point to where you
[1:31:58] actually get that and are okay with that because if not you're constantly putting all of the shit
[1:32:07] from outside there on your table and like your plates always full you're never finishing your
[1:32:13] fucking plate because you're just constantly people just keep coming and dumping more shit on it
[1:32:18] so imagine that imagine people just keep telling you keep eating you just keep getting full like
[1:32:22] eventually you can't fucking breathe and you bust it's no different from your from your mind
[1:32:29] and and and more today than ever you're seeing more people pop from mental overload man
[1:32:37] like people aren't crazy I hate them like this whole crazy crazy motherfucker crazy it's like
[1:32:43] my fucks are just popping like it's too much I'm gonna fucking when they snap they snap
[1:32:49] I said that's not I'm sick I'm fucking I'm sick to check you can see like God damn man
[1:32:54] you crazy no you're not I'm almost just popped but you could you got the money to go chill in
[1:32:58] Bali I'm going I but you don't I have the money to not go chill in body I have the money to say
[1:33:04] I'm not talking anymore today that's the that's the difference it's not about the vacation it's not
[1:33:10] about the trip it's not about I'm not talking anymore today so the people and resources I put around
[1:33:16] me to help me do your job what happens next for you we sit here in 10 years time it all went well
[1:33:22] what happened I think in 10 years time if I'm able to sit on the stool at a comedy club with 30
[1:33:32] people and do material and enjoy my craft and it's a little small hole in the wall comedy clubs
[1:33:42] wherever I'm living at the time I do it maybe twice week and I golf and I spend time with my kids
[1:33:51] and hopefully their kids I'm a grandpa and we're able to like look through photo albums of
[1:33:57] remember when and mailbox money is attached to things that I've built that are operating and
[1:34:04] functioning on its own that's that's my version of success Kevin thank you thank you thank you
[1:34:14] so much for all the you talked about how you've made people's lives happier and made people more
[1:34:19] connected et cetera and that's exactly the impact you've had on me I remember the first time I
[1:34:23] watched one of your comedy specials and watched you on stage was when I was going through a very
[1:34:27] tough part of my life I was lonely I was in this room in Manchester I'm probably 18 years old at
[1:34:31] the time and I'm trying to figure out my career in my future things are hard and I think like
[1:34:37] pirating your pirating your comedy specials was that little moment of escapism was that little moment
[1:34:43] of joy in my day and so you're that for so many many millions of people that you'll never get to me
[1:34:48] you brought so much joy to families you brought families together you brought me and my girlfriend
[1:34:51] out to come and see you in the Royal Aberhool and also we have seen you in New York City when you
[1:34:54] did think was Madison Square Garden here as well on that square stage it's you're a source of joy
[1:35:00] and connectivity and if the world ever needed that energy right right now it needs it now more
[1:35:06] than ever and so I humbly appreciate you and thank you this was amazing man and I think you're
[1:35:13] doing a service of good and what you're providing for the masses is is necessary so don't stop
[1:35:21] you've gone man thank you so much thank you so much thank you so much thank you
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