# 267: So Much More than Listening with Shane Birkel

An episode of [The Couples Therapist Couch](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1281853816), 13 Nov 2025, 40 min.

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This episode is brought to you by Alma. Visit https://helloalma.com/dg/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=paid&utm_campaign=privatepractice to learn more Get the Couples Therapy 101 course: https://www.couplestherapistcouch.com/ Join the Couples Therapist Inner Circle: https://www.couplestherapistcouch.com/inner-circle-new Join The Couples Therapist Couch Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/295562197518469/ In this solo episode, Shane talks what it really means to be the listener. Hear the listening skills we should all learn, when to be the speaker vs. listener, what to do when your clients are having a hard time being the listener, why affair recovery requires a ton of listening, and the importance of taking a timeout when arguing.

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