# Where There's Room for Scrub with Hayley Kiyoko

An episode of [Scrubbing In with Becca Tilley & Tanya Rad](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1279955329), 23 Oct 2025, 45 min.

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Becca's favorite guest is back in the O.R.! Hayley Kiyoko is here to share all the details behind her new book 'Where There's Room For Us" (available for preorder now! wink wink). Hayley reveals how the book was inspired by her and Becca's real life love story, and she promises it will have major Easter egg energy for longtime Scrubbers. Plus, we get an update on wedding planning, and Tanya gets a crash course in "hyper reality"! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Beca, Tilly and Tanya rad and iHeartRadio
[0:04] Speaker 1: and two times People's Choice Award winning podcast.
[0:11] Speaker 2: Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in.
[0:15] Speaker 3: Yes we are.
[0:17] Speaker 2: We have the most special guest today.
[0:20] Speaker 4: That's right, my.
[0:21] Speaker 3: Favorite your favorite person in the world. You can say yes, yeah,
[0:29] Speaker 3: it's okay.
[0:30] Speaker 1: You know, we're really practicing maturing and boundaries over here.
[0:34] Speaker 1: So she's a oought to be your favorite person in
[0:35] Speaker 1: the world. Yes, as long as I'm second.
[0:37] Speaker 4: I love her so much. And yeah, you.
[0:43] Speaker 2: Just a little generation there it's her and then you
[0:46] Speaker 2: perfect right there under her.
[0:47] Speaker 3: Perfect.
[0:48] Speaker 2: She is obviously the love of my life. But beyond that,
[0:52] Speaker 2: she is a pop star. She's an actress's a she's
[0:56] Speaker 2: a director, and she's an author. She's an LGBT plus
[1:00] Speaker 2: advocate like she does it all.
[1:03] Speaker 1: But you know, she's here today for one very specific
[1:06] Speaker 1: reason because she has published yet another book, which is
[1:09] Speaker 1: available now for pre order. I know how hard it
[1:12] Speaker 1: is to sell books, and pre order really does matter,
[1:15] Speaker 1: so please pre order it. It's called Where There's Room
[1:18] Speaker 1: for Us by Hailey, Kyoko and Becca.
[1:21] Speaker 3: Do you want to do the honors?
[1:22] Speaker 4: Please? Welcome back to the Scrubbing n O R Hailey kiyok.
[1:29] Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much. I'm so happy to be here.
[1:33] Speaker 1: This is like the base just tecking at me because
[1:35] Speaker 1: this is like the big moment, like this is crunch
[1:38] Speaker 1: time for you. So it is before we even get
[1:41] Speaker 1: into the R interview, Okay, our very serious interview. Yes,
[1:46] Speaker 1: I would like everybody to get on their phones and
[1:49] Speaker 1: pre order where there's room for us by Hailey Kyoko,
[1:53] Speaker 1: because we're in that window. Yes, pre orders make such
[1:56] Speaker 1: a difference. Pre orders are everything for ever your times, bestsellers, everything,
[2:01] Speaker 1: So this is like the the very important moment. So
[2:04] Speaker 1: the more we can sell, the better. Exactly, send link
[2:07] Speaker 1: to your friends, thank you to your loved ones.
[2:10] Speaker 3: Everywhere.
[2:10] Speaker 5: You can get it on Barnes and Obama pretty much
[2:13] Speaker 5: anywhere you get a book, or if you do audio
[2:15] Speaker 5: books too, you can do.
[2:16] Speaker 4: That a cinematic experience.
[2:18] Speaker 1: And it's a great stocking stuffer. So there's no better
[2:22] Speaker 1: time to stock up holiday. I already started my holiday shopping,
[2:26] Speaker 1: so these are great stocking stuffers.
[2:28] Speaker 3: These could be a great white elephant gift. These could
[2:31] Speaker 3: be this is the ad I need it. Thank you
[2:33] Speaker 3: so much. You're so welcome. So if anybody. If tis now,
[2:37] Speaker 3: the time is now? If not now, when? Yeah?
[2:39] Speaker 4: Yeah it Taylor Jin can read who our Dear Friend?
[2:45] Speaker 4: I love your dear friend.
[2:48] Speaker 2: This is a book that feels like a glass of
[2:50] Speaker 2: water when you are parched. Thank you for writing it.
[2:53] Speaker 3: That's such a great.
[2:54] Speaker 4: Oh do you open it up to the dedication?
[2:57] Speaker 3: Oh no, oh yeah, let's let's let's just start it
[2:59] Speaker 3: with I brought the book. Then we've got hot pink pages.
[3:05] Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually so beautiful. I've never book.
[3:08] Speaker 3: Why don't you read the dedication? Okay, I see it.
[3:12] Speaker 3: This book is dedicated to Becca.
[3:21] Speaker 4: Oh get that.
[3:23] Speaker 3: Falling in love with you has been the most rewarding
[3:26] Speaker 3: adventure of my life. Thank you for letting me share
[3:29] Speaker 3: a small ember of it. That's beautiful. Thank you so much. Yeah,
[3:38] Speaker 3: she loves it.
[3:38] Speaker 1: Starting strong, being like having a book dedicated to you
[3:42] Speaker 1: is like, that's so nice.
[3:43] Speaker 3: What better gift to receive?
[3:44] Speaker 4: Romantic? Yeah, she just like popped it in my face
[3:47] Speaker 4: one day and I was like, what.
[3:50] Speaker 5: I wanted to surprise her, but there was enough surprises
[3:53] Speaker 5: and she was going through a lot with surprise, so
[3:57] Speaker 5: I just was like, here, check this out.
[4:02] Speaker 2: Shall we talk about where do we begin the book
[4:04] Speaker 2: the concept of it, your your journey of writing.
[4:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, dear, what year did this begin?
[4:14] Speaker 5: Well, it's been years in the making. And I guess
[4:16] Speaker 5: we could start off with like, I'm a huge Pride
[4:18] Speaker 5: and Prejudice fan and I love period pieces, which is lol,
[4:22] Speaker 5: because Becca is not like a crazy period piece fans
[4:26] Speaker 5: my favorite.
[4:27] Speaker 3: So like, when she's out of town, I'll like binch Watch,
[4:29] Speaker 3: like you know, all the period pieces like Bridgerton. Yeah, yeah,
[4:32] Speaker 3: I love Bridgerton.
[4:33] Speaker 5: Yeah, I love I love anything with a really uncomfortable wardrobe,
[4:36] Speaker 5: you know what I mean. But so my dream was
[4:41] Speaker 5: to tell our story like our.
[4:44] Speaker 3: Use our meet cute as like the inspiration.
[4:46] Speaker 5: And as I was putting it together, it was interesting
[4:49] Speaker 5: because I was like, oh my gosh, Like my goal
[4:52] Speaker 5: in life is to create hopeful queer content, and there's
[4:56] Speaker 5: no way for this to end hopeful if it's in
[5:00] Speaker 5: like the actual like reality of the Victorian era. And
[5:04] Speaker 5: so as I was, you know, developing the story, I realized, Oh,
[5:10] Speaker 5: what if I do this like hyperreality kind of hyperrealism
[5:13] Speaker 5: thing where you can be queer, like you can be gay,
[5:17] Speaker 5: you can get married to a man or a woman,
[5:19] Speaker 5: but women are still not equal, and so two gay
[5:22] Speaker 5: men can inherit land and continue the family line, but
[5:25] Speaker 5: two gay women cannot, and so there's still pressure to
[5:28] Speaker 5: have you know, a son or an air to you
[5:32] Speaker 5: know leave.
[5:32] Speaker 3: So it is set in eighteen hundreds, but like a
[5:35] Speaker 3: in like a hyperreality.
[5:36] Speaker 5: Yeah, Like the short burst of the summary is I
[5:41] Speaker 5: think Pride and Prejudice meets Little Women set in a
[5:44] Speaker 5: queer hyperreality where men are where queer people can exist,
[5:48] Speaker 5: but women aren't equal.
[5:50] Speaker 3: Hyper reality is like not reality.
[5:52] Speaker 5: It's like it's excuse, It's like we're there's still carriages
[5:55] Speaker 5: and like the whole thing. But it's like, what if
[5:58] Speaker 5: I just kept asking myself if I was myself who
[6:01] Speaker 5: I am today and I lived in the Victorian era,
[6:04] Speaker 5: how would I exist and how would I thrive? And
[6:06] Speaker 5: how would I move about falling in love and like
[6:10] Speaker 5: having relationships and what would that look like if you
[6:12] Speaker 5: could just be openly a lesbian during that time.
[6:16] Speaker 3: So the two characters in this book is it Freya
[6:20] Speaker 3: is that you? Or is that Becca? That's inspired by Becca?
[6:23] Speaker 4: Okay?
[6:24] Speaker 3: And then Ivy is you?
[6:25] Speaker 1: Yes?
[6:26] Speaker 4: Okay?
[6:26] Speaker 1: So Ivy and Freya Ivan. If you're familiar with your
[6:30] Speaker 1: love story Haley and Becca. Right, well, we see it
[6:33] Speaker 1: mirrored in these characters there.
[6:35] Speaker 5: I was thinking about that there, yes, yes, yes, and no,
[6:39] Speaker 5: like I obviously hype of reality. Well, still, our love
[6:45] Speaker 5: story wasn't in the Victorian era, so things have to change.
[6:48] Speaker 5: But basically the story that I think most scrubbers have
[6:50] Speaker 5: heard is like when we met at Chateau Marmont.
[6:53] Speaker 3: Right, right, like trying to set Haley up with your vacancy.
[6:56] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the.
[6:57] Speaker 5: First time we met, and and and we got drinks
[7:01] Speaker 5: at chateau and my friend kept sending women over to
[7:05] Speaker 5: the table.
[7:05] Speaker 3: Did you hear about this we were getting do you
[7:08] Speaker 3: know us?
[7:09] Speaker 4: That's a really good part of the story that I
[7:11] Speaker 4: don't know if we've we've probably told it.
[7:13] Speaker 3: We can tell the story.
[7:14] Speaker 5: But basically that specific moment in our life, I basically
[7:21] Speaker 5: made a Victorian era version of that. And that's kind
[7:24] Speaker 5: of like the catapults of their relationships. So let's go
[7:28] Speaker 5: to the reality real So reality real quick is.
[7:32] Speaker 3: Reallysed for reality part. The reality part of.
[7:37] Speaker 5: It is is that obviously, back when I met at
[7:40] Speaker 5: No Vacancy and she was trying to set me up
[7:43] Speaker 5: with her younger sister.
[7:44] Speaker 3: Yes, and then the three of you were supposed to
[7:46] Speaker 3: get drinks together.
[7:49] Speaker 5: Like a group of people, and so we were going
[7:52] Speaker 5: to get drinks and she tells the story beout her
[7:55] Speaker 5: but we basically I was.
[7:57] Speaker 3: Panicked and I was like, oh my gosh, she's like
[7:59] Speaker 3: this famous person.
[8:00] Speaker 5: I have to like find this like bougie place to
[8:02] Speaker 5: take her because I don't really like go out to
[8:04] Speaker 5: get drinks. And so I called my friend. She ended
[8:06] Speaker 5: up being at the Chateau Marmm. She's like, i'll, you know,
[8:09] Speaker 5: give you a table. And so we met at chateau
[8:11] Speaker 5: and we spoke. We I mean, we hung out for
[8:14] Speaker 5: like four to six hours. We shut the place down.
[8:17] Speaker 5: But as we were getting our drinks and getting to
[8:20] Speaker 5: know each other, a woman comes up to the table
[8:23] Speaker 5: and she goes, why haven't you called me back? And
[8:26] Speaker 5: I look at her like deer in a headlight, like
[8:28] Speaker 5: what are you talking about. She's like, you've never called
[8:31] Speaker 5: me back, Like I'm really upset with you. And Becca's
[8:33] Speaker 5: staring at me and I'm like, oh my god. And
[8:36] Speaker 5: she walks away and I look at back and I'm like,
[8:38] Speaker 5: I literally don't know this person, Like I do not
[8:40] Speaker 5: know this person. An hour later or whatever it was.
[8:44] Speaker 5: Another girl comes up and I was like, why do
[8:46] Speaker 5: you call me back? And so my friend who had
[8:48] Speaker 5: set me up for the take the drinks, she was.
[8:51] Speaker 1: Doing it with me.
[8:53] Speaker 3: No, she's trying you look good. Maybe maybe it was
[8:55] Speaker 3: bad firing with Becca because she was like, oh my gosh,
[8:59] Speaker 3: she's a place.
[9:01] Speaker 4: And so setting her up with my sister, I'll show her.
[9:06] Speaker 4: So it was.
[9:07] Speaker 5: It was a wild moment where these like women kept
[9:10] Speaker 5: coming up to the table. But anyway, so that moment
[9:13] Speaker 5: in our life was I kind of like brought into this.
[9:19] Speaker 3: Book, how Ivy and Freya?
[9:21] Speaker 5: Yes, yes, And I guess getting into the book more
[9:25] Speaker 5: just to set up the scene. So Ivy again hyperreality
[9:30] Speaker 5: in the sense of like America's more progressive than Europe
[9:34] Speaker 5: at this time and England, and so Ivy and her
[9:37] Speaker 5: brother Prescott from America, they moved to England to find
[9:42] Speaker 5: him a wife because the only way to guarantee his
[9:45] Speaker 5: inheritance is to marry a woman in England, because our
[9:49] Speaker 5: father was from England. And so we meet the Talent
[9:52] Speaker 5: sisters and there's a bunch of sisters and a couple
[9:55] Speaker 5: of them are queer, and there's this character named Freya
[9:59] Speaker 5: and is one of the few sisters left to marry,
[10:05] Speaker 5: and so she has a lot of pressure to marry
[10:08] Speaker 5: a man because they need to continue the family line.
[10:12] Speaker 3: And so that's kind of the setup.
[10:13] Speaker 5: And so we go to England to kind of set
[10:16] Speaker 5: him up with one of the town sisters and then
[10:19] Speaker 5: my character ends up falling.
[10:20] Speaker 3: In love with her. How does it end.
[10:23] Speaker 4: You'll have to prove the buyer.
[10:27] Speaker 2: It doesn't end, but maybe that season two or book two, yeah,
[10:32] Speaker 2: book the sequel.
[10:34] Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, So that's kind of the setup of
[10:36] Speaker 3: of the story.
[10:37] Speaker 5: So it's like loosely based off of our meet cute
[10:40] Speaker 5: and then obviously it's been really you know, Beca's been
[10:42] Speaker 5: able to tell our story a lot, and so this
[10:45] Speaker 5: was kind of my way of telling my experience through
[10:49] Speaker 5: the character's eyes of Ivy and navigating you know, meeting
[10:55] Speaker 5: you know, these sisters and Freya and like having my
[10:58] Speaker 5: world turn up side down. And she's like this sapphog
[11:01] Speaker 5: poet in the Victorian era, and so she's like this
[11:05] Speaker 5: known lesbian poet, and so the younger sister like knows
[11:09] Speaker 5: of her. Like, so I was trying to find like
[11:10] Speaker 5: little things to like have little throwbacks. But but Yeah,
[11:15] Speaker 5: it's really fun.
[11:17] Speaker 3: It's really fun, and it's three hundred pages.
[11:21] Speaker 5: I think the fonts it's hya so the font you know,
[11:23] Speaker 5: it's a quick read why young adults, oh.
[11:29] Speaker 3: Words, So I appreciate, but yeah, it does have to
[11:33] Speaker 3: spoiler alert.
[11:34] Speaker 5: It does have a hopeful ending. And for me growing up,
[11:38] Speaker 5: all of our queer representation ended in like suicide or
[11:43] Speaker 5: death or like in love and like really having to
[11:47] Speaker 5: hide our relationship celebrated exactly. And so I was really
[11:51] Speaker 5: inspired by the concept of, like, Okay, what if you
[11:54] Speaker 5: could be gay, but you're still not equal as women,
[11:57] Speaker 5: and you're still struggling to to thrive in an economy
[12:02] Speaker 5: in a world, and so what does that look like
[12:05] Speaker 5: and how do you find your joy and happiness? When
[12:09] Speaker 5: maybe I also liked the idea of like, you know,
[12:12] Speaker 5: I think everyone can, whether you're queer or not, anyone
[12:15] Speaker 5: can relate to this love story because I think every
[12:18] Speaker 5: single person is born with parents who have expectations of
[12:22] Speaker 5: who they're going to end up with, right, whether it's
[12:24] Speaker 5: your religion, whether it's your culture, whether it's your background,
[12:27] Speaker 5: and it always it's always gonna be challenging to navigate
[12:32] Speaker 5: regardless of those expectations and the disappointments, and so I
[12:36] Speaker 5: also really loved having just something so relatable in that
[12:40] Speaker 5: sense where you can pick this up and read it
[12:42] Speaker 5: and see yourself in it, and sometimes you know, the
[12:44] Speaker 5: happy ending isn't like everything works out. The happy ending
[12:48] Speaker 5: is like, we're going to figure this out together and
[12:51] Speaker 5: we're going to like persevere through the hardships.
[12:55] Speaker 1: I do think it's super relatable, you know, stepping outside
[12:58] Speaker 1: of the queer community, like I was saying, I also
[13:01] Speaker 1: experienced some of that, Like I never thought in a
[13:02] Speaker 1: million years I would end up.
[13:04] Speaker 3: With a divorced Jewish dad, you know what I mean.
[13:08] Speaker 3: And so it's just I think it is going to
[13:11] Speaker 3: be really relatable to a lot of people.
[13:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the whole concept is like, outside of
[13:16] Speaker 2: being queer, there's so many other things that people navigate
[13:20] Speaker 2: to be together and that they have to go through
[13:23] Speaker 2: with family or expectations or whatever that leads to that
[13:26] Speaker 2: decision of are we doing this together or are we
[13:29] Speaker 2: gonna wonder what if for the rest of our lives?
[13:32] Speaker 2: Like take obviously this is focused on queer a queer
[13:35] Speaker 2: love story, but I do think a lot of people
[13:38] Speaker 2: can resonate with like differences of religion and beliefs everything.
[13:43] Speaker 4: You're going on a book tour, I am, I'm not going.
[13:46] Speaker 3: To Ye, it's a big deal. Not everybody gets a
[13:55] Speaker 3: book tour.
[13:55] Speaker 5: This is my first book tour because my last the
[13:59] Speaker 5: last book that came out, Girls Like Girls, I was
[14:01] Speaker 5: already on tour, like for my music tour, and so
[14:04] Speaker 5: I was doing these like meet and greets every night,
[14:06] Speaker 5: and so I didn't really get to do an official
[14:08] Speaker 5: book tour. So this is like my first one, which
[14:10] Speaker 5: I'm really excited. We're going to New York, Chicago, Berkeley,
[14:15] Speaker 5: and then we ended in LA.
[14:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, we should go to the LA one. You should
[14:19] Speaker 3: definitely if you know, if you're in town, you should
[14:21] Speaker 3: come to the LA. What days the one is it?
[14:23] Speaker 3: The Barnes and Noble the Grove.
[14:24] Speaker 2: November seventh is lah, November six is Berkeley, Wednesday November
[14:30] Speaker 2: fifth is Chicago, and Tuesday November fourth is New York City.
[14:33] Speaker 3: Nice.
[14:34] Speaker 2: Ye, So if all of our scrubbers, we know that
[14:38] Speaker 2: y'all be showing up for things, So if y'all are
[14:41] Speaker 2: in the area any.
[14:42] Speaker 4: Of these dates, yeah, I'll be.
[14:45] Speaker 5: I think I think the scrubbers have like a one
[14:48] Speaker 5: up reading this book because they know they know much
[14:50] Speaker 5: about relationship, and so I think like it's going to
[14:54] Speaker 5: have like this Easter egg energy for them. I'm really
[14:57] Speaker 5: excited to hear their thoughts on it, because I'm really
[15:01] Speaker 5: really proud of this book and this has been something
[15:03] Speaker 5: I've been wanting to do for a really long time.
[15:05] Speaker 3: And yeah, you should be so proud.
[15:09] Speaker 1: Thank you.
[15:10] Speaker 5: Staring at it, it's like gorgeous, Like it has like
[15:14] Speaker 5: hints of Wicked colors, but like we love Wicked, so
[15:16] Speaker 5: there you go.
[15:17] Speaker 3: I didn't make that until now. There are different shades.
[15:21] Speaker 2: Number two, I mean, movie number two is coming out.
[15:24] Speaker 2: There's a lot of pink and green.
[15:25] Speaker 3: There's a lot of pink and green energy right now.
[15:44] Speaker 2: When you write stories, are you already conceptualizing TV or
[15:51] Speaker 2: movie when you're when you're working on the I know
[15:53] Speaker 2: the answer.
[15:55] Speaker 3: Yes, we didn't rehearse this by the no no, no, no,
[15:59] Speaker 3: This is all I know.
[16:00] Speaker 5: She's gonna ask no, Like I you know, Girls Like
[16:03] Speaker 5: Girls obviously was like a ten year journey into getting
[16:06] Speaker 5: the film green lit, And a lot of the reason
[16:10] Speaker 5: why I got green lit was because I, you know,
[16:13] Speaker 5: made girls and Girls into a ya and then became
[16:15] Speaker 5: a New York Times.
[16:16] Speaker 3: Best seller, and so that helped push So a lot
[16:18] Speaker 3: of these.
[16:18] Speaker 1: Like films and television shows you're seeing a lot of
[16:21] Speaker 1: them are inspired by books, and that seems to be
[16:24] Speaker 1: the best path forward for Hollywood and quotations for IP.
[16:28] Speaker 1: And so when I was developing this story and writing
[16:32] Speaker 1: this story, I one hundred percent was thinking, like.
[16:35] Speaker 3: I would love for this to be a TV show,
[16:37] Speaker 3: or like it'd have to be a.
[16:38] Speaker 5: Really long movie if it was a movie, like I
[16:40] Speaker 5: need like two and a half hours kind of vibe
[16:43] Speaker 5: because they're just so much like Juicy, you know, stories
[16:47] Speaker 5: and plots. But I would love to make it into
[16:51] Speaker 5: a TV show and then maybe like the next season,
[16:53] Speaker 5: you follow another character. Oh there's another really cool place
[16:56] Speaker 5: in the book called the Bridge, which is like the
[16:59] Speaker 5: West Hollywood of.
[17:02] Speaker 3: You know, the Victoria era exactly.
[17:05] Speaker 5: And so once a month, like they all meet at
[17:07] Speaker 5: the Bridge and like everyone just gets to celebrate and
[17:10] Speaker 5: like there's like boats, and it's really like a magical
[17:14] Speaker 5: like the parade.
[17:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, like just like kind of like a Pride.
[17:18] Speaker 5: Night, but like once a month and everyone comes together,
[17:21] Speaker 5: and so you know, maybe in future seasons I could
[17:23] Speaker 5: follow another character, But I just love world building, and
[17:28] Speaker 5: I was really excited to challenge myself more because like
[17:31] Speaker 5: Girls Like Girls was from like my youth, like high school,
[17:34] Speaker 5: and so it was really fun to get to be
[17:36] Speaker 5: inspired by the love that I have today and beyond,
[17:41] Speaker 5: and so that was like really cool to kind of
[17:44] Speaker 5: challenge myself a bit more, to see, like what would
[17:47] Speaker 5: it be like if Ray and Ivy like existed in
[17:49] Speaker 5: the Victorian era, and like what would happen?
[17:52] Speaker 3: What happened to us?
[17:53] Speaker 2: You mentioned your directorial debut, Girls Like Girls, coming out.
[18:00] Speaker 1: I haven't gotten an official date, but I'm hoping next year,
[18:04] Speaker 1: twenty six yes, and any day in that year, yes, hopefully.
[18:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, sooner than later.
[18:10] Speaker 2: When you wrote Girls Like Girls in twenty fifteen, or
[18:14] Speaker 2: you wrote it in twenty fourteen.
[18:16] Speaker 5: Relased the music video on twenty fifteen, and then I said,
[18:19] Speaker 5: didn't start writing till later, So.
[18:20] Speaker 2: No, I know, but I'm talking about the music video.
[18:22] Speaker 2: What the conceptual? Yeah, the Girls Like Girls conception. Yeah,
[18:26] Speaker 2: you were not in the video.
[18:29] Speaker 4: I was not on purpose. Yes, why.
[18:32] Speaker 3: I wasn't in.
[18:35] Speaker 5: The Girls Like Girls music video because I it was
[18:38] Speaker 5: like my coming out and so it was like my
[18:42] Speaker 5: half ass of coming out without putting my face on
[18:45] Speaker 5: it because I was nervous and.
[18:47] Speaker 1: So really yes, and so I was too scared. It's
[18:52] Speaker 1: so hard for me to picture that now, I know
[18:55] Speaker 1: I was like too scared.
[18:56] Speaker 5: But then like I had the amazing Stephanie Scott and
[19:00] Speaker 5: Kelsey Asville and they were the stars of the music video.
[19:05] Speaker 5: And so it was really cool to be able to
[19:07] Speaker 5: direct to the film for Girls Like Girls because I
[19:10] Speaker 5: was able to reclaim my space in that. And I
[19:14] Speaker 5: think that goes that's connected to not feeling represented in
[19:19] Speaker 5: the Victorian era, right, like growing up being like, oh
[19:21] Speaker 5: my gosh, I'll never book a role like in the
[19:23] Speaker 5: eighteen hundreds or like because of just what I look like.
[19:26] Speaker 5: And so I think going through this Girl's Like Girls
[19:29] Speaker 5: experience was a really beautiful, like full circle moment where again,
[19:34] Speaker 5: like you said, it's crazy, I was so scared to
[19:36] Speaker 5: put myself in the music video and like have my
[19:38] Speaker 5: face in it, and like that was terrifying for me.
[19:42] Speaker 3: How long was that process for you?
[19:44] Speaker 2: Like?
[19:44] Speaker 3: Were you okay? So you you knew that about yourself?
[19:47] Speaker 1: You said, I knew I was scared since I was
[19:49] Speaker 1: like five or six, but this was your half you
[19:51] Speaker 1: said half ass. I would say I was attached to
[19:55] Speaker 1: the song in the sense of, like, maybe if I
[19:58] Speaker 1: were to do it over again, I would have myself
[20:00] Speaker 1: in the video. So you were you said five six
[20:03] Speaker 1: when you knew yeah, yeah, yeah? And then when how
[20:06] Speaker 1: old were you when you like really put your face
[20:08] Speaker 1: and name and everything out?
[20:10] Speaker 5: Well, I mean that was twenty fifteen. Girls like girls,
[20:12] Speaker 5: I like, I was how old in the music video?
[20:14] Speaker 1: But it was like my song that I wrote because
[20:16] Speaker 1: I feel like I remember when you and Becca first
[20:18] Speaker 1: started dating. I was so I admired so much how
[20:23] Speaker 1: patient you were with Becca throughout that whole process, because
[20:26] Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, Like if I were Haley,
[20:30] Speaker 1: I it would be so hard for me, like with
[20:32] Speaker 1: how you guys were doing things in the beginning. But
[20:34] Speaker 1: I was like, I think you obviously can relate to
[20:36] Speaker 1: what Becca was going through because you had your own
[20:38] Speaker 1: journey through it.
[20:39] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[20:39] Speaker 5: I mean we've had totally different upbringings, but I can
[20:42] Speaker 5: relate in the sense of, like, you're ready when you're ready, right,
[20:46] Speaker 5: you know, And it's really scary to like just know
[20:49] Speaker 5: who you are and then also be like what are
[20:51] Speaker 5: people going to say? And it's so crazy to look
[20:54] Speaker 5: at my career that like that Girls Like Girls in
[20:57] Speaker 5: twenty fifteen, me speaking my truth would finally be have
[21:02] Speaker 5: a whole career because I was like, this is who
[21:04] Speaker 5: I am, and then all of a sudden, I'm finding
[21:06] Speaker 5: all these people going, oh my gosh, I feel the
[21:08] Speaker 5: same way.
[21:09] Speaker 3: And that's why Girls Like Girls was so powerful.
[21:11] Speaker 5: It is because we don't get to see women be
[21:14] Speaker 5: together and like win and like thrive in culture and
[21:18] Speaker 5: in spaces, and so as soon as I started doing that,
[21:21] Speaker 5: I was like, oh my gosh, My whole purpose in
[21:23] Speaker 5: life is to create hopeful career content to kind of
[21:27] Speaker 5: fill you know, when I when I'm like building my
[21:30] Speaker 5: decks for like music videos, or even when I was
[21:32] Speaker 5: doing the film, when there's this thing called shot Deck
[21:36] Speaker 5: and you go on and you like, you know, it's
[21:39] Speaker 5: like it's kind of like a pinterest for like cinema, okay,
[21:42] Speaker 5: like a mood board, and you have such limited amounts
[21:46] Speaker 5: of films to choose from to be able to put
[21:48] Speaker 5: together a vision for like women loving women's stories. Oh interesting,
[21:54] Speaker 5: and so like my goal in life is to be
[21:56] Speaker 5: able to fill up that void. So when you go
[21:59] Speaker 5: on shot Deck, you're like, oh my gosh, do I
[22:01] Speaker 5: take this image? Or do I take this image right now?
[22:04] Speaker 5: You're just like, so, I mean, you have like so
[22:07] Speaker 5: few images to work with because there's so many, there's
[22:11] Speaker 5: very little. I mean, it took me ten years to
[22:13] Speaker 5: get Girls like Girls made. It's just two girls falling
[22:15] Speaker 5: in love and ends in hope, and that took ten years. Yeah,
[22:18] Speaker 5: and it's never been made before.
[22:20] Speaker 3: That's wild. Yeah, and it's twenty twenty five.
[22:23] Speaker 5: And so that was my goal with Where There's Room
[22:25] Speaker 5: for Us is like I wanted to be inspired by
[22:28] Speaker 5: our love story and then bring it into a even
[22:31] Speaker 5: bigger world and find a way to maybe hopefully get
[22:34] Speaker 5: this made to be brought on to our screen so
[22:36] Speaker 5: people can be like, oh my gosh, I look like her,
[22:39] Speaker 5: Like I can succeed in life, you know, just representation
[22:43] Speaker 5: as a whole.
[22:45] Speaker 3: Where did a title come from?
[22:47] Speaker 2: So?
[22:48] Speaker 3: Where there's room for us? The great question?
[22:52] Speaker 5: I think for me, it's always like creating space and
[22:56] Speaker 5: like wanting to have space.
[22:57] Speaker 3: And so I liked the idea of a title of
[22:59] Speaker 3: having some thing of like where there's room for us,
[23:01] Speaker 3: of like, like, even when.
[23:03] Speaker 5: There's space, how do we fill up that space, and
[23:06] Speaker 5: how do we thrive in that space and how do
[23:08] Speaker 5: we take ownership in that space.
[23:10] Speaker 1: It's really interesting when you said, like, I don't know
[23:13] Speaker 1: what you call it in the movie world, but you
[23:15] Speaker 1: the Pinterest thing and not having a shot deck, not
[23:17] Speaker 1: having the amount of images to choose from and stuff
[23:20] Speaker 1: like that's so that's just so crazy. I feel like
[23:23] Speaker 1: when I was I didn't really use Pinterest, but anytime
[23:24] Speaker 1: I would type in anything that I needed, it was like.
[23:26] Speaker 3: It was there, right there, right there. Yeah.
[23:28] Speaker 5: And so imagine like as creators and filmmakers and authors,
[23:32] Speaker 5: and it's like you're trying to create something that hasn't
[23:35] Speaker 5: existed yet, and then you're trying to it makes it
[23:38] Speaker 5: super challenging because you're trying to prove to companies and
[23:42] Speaker 5: studios and people with lots of money that your idea
[23:46] Speaker 5: is a good idea and it's never been done yeah,
[23:49] Speaker 5: or there's no proof of concepts. And like that's why
[23:52] Speaker 5: writing books has been like such a freeing moment for
[23:56] Speaker 5: me because I can just like do what I want
[23:59] Speaker 5: and take it wherever I want without anyone else yeah,
[24:02] Speaker 5: telling me, oh, we can't afford this scene, or we
[24:04] Speaker 5: can't afford this or we can't do it here. It's
[24:07] Speaker 5: like no, like I can have the place called the
[24:10] Speaker 5: Bridge with lanterns and boats and you know, like meadows
[24:14] Speaker 5: and lavender fields, like I can do it all. And
[24:17] Speaker 5: this has been the most freeing medium in my life.
[24:20] Speaker 4: I think, do you have a dream cast for where
[24:24] Speaker 4: that could do?
[24:26] Speaker 2: No?
[24:29] Speaker 3: What that would be the day. I don't have a
[24:34] Speaker 3: dream past because like it could take like I don't know.
[24:37] Speaker 2: I'm just saying if it were to get mad, if
[24:40] Speaker 2: it were to get made in the speedy sense next.
[24:44] Speaker 3: Year, I haven't thought about that. Actually, really, that's like
[24:48] Speaker 3: the first thing I thought about.
[24:49] Speaker 5: Well, I guess I don't. I'm very like, once I
[24:52] Speaker 5: have an idea, I have to do it and it
[24:54] Speaker 5: has to happen. And so I try to not lock
[24:57] Speaker 5: myself into an exact vision because once I do it,
[25:01] Speaker 5: like if I were to be like it needs to
[25:03] Speaker 5: be whatever Margo, Robbie or whatever, if it didn't happen,
[25:08] Speaker 5: it could never happen.
[25:10] Speaker 4: Yeah, well she has.
[25:16] Speaker 3: She had.
[25:19] Speaker 4: There good answer, just like we rehearsed.
[25:23] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[25:25] Speaker 4: I feel like.
[25:26] Speaker 2: When we see like we obviously see you on the
[25:29] Speaker 2: podcast and people get to know you, but I do
[25:31] Speaker 2: feel like your social media you have really allowed people
[25:34] Speaker 2: to come in and see more of your personality.
[25:37] Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm trying.
[25:38] Speaker 2: Has that been challenging because I feel I have this
[25:41] Speaker 2: theory that people who are in the industry as like
[25:43] Speaker 2: actors or uh, celebrities, that there's this sense of need
[25:48] Speaker 2: to be perfect in terms of how they're presented. Did
[25:51] Speaker 2: you experience like I know that we've talked about you
[25:53] Speaker 2: experiencing that need of like everything needs to like be perfect.
[25:58] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[25:58] Speaker 5: I think, like, well, during the pandemic, I just like
[26:02] Speaker 5: I stopped posting a lot, and so it's taken like
[26:05] Speaker 5: years to kind of like get back because I used to,
[26:07] Speaker 5: like I mean when I was like fifteen, I was
[26:09] Speaker 5: like YouTube vlogging being likely and I'm getting on the
[26:13] Speaker 5: plane and here I am, And I don't know if
[26:16] Speaker 5: it's like getting older too. I also think like we
[26:19] Speaker 5: had such a private life for so long, so that
[26:23] Speaker 5: just like became like my normal and like my comfort.
[26:26] Speaker 5: But I am trying to like share more of like
[26:29] Speaker 5: my goofy side and me not being able to say
[26:33] Speaker 5: eyes yes if you've seen our TikTok. But I think
[26:38] Speaker 5: that's what was really fun about writing this book is
[26:40] Speaker 5: like kind of navigating, you know, it just have like
[26:45] Speaker 5: hints of my my perspective and my experience through this
[26:49] Speaker 5: book and like navigating entering a new space and meeting
[26:54] Speaker 5: someone that's like so different from me, and and finding
[26:59] Speaker 5: a way to just like make sure that we end
[27:01] Speaker 5: up together.
[27:02] Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think.
[27:03] Speaker 2: I mean, we don't talk about it a lot, but
[27:05] Speaker 2: we had to navigate a lot of things in our relationship.
[27:09] Speaker 2: And we've been together, you know, seven and a half years,
[27:13] Speaker 2: and there's been so crazy, a lot of hardships and
[27:17] Speaker 2: navigating like really hard conversations not only with each other
[27:20] Speaker 2: but with other people, and Haley, I have to say, like,
[27:23] Speaker 2: through it all, I don't know anything different, but I
[27:25] Speaker 2: realized how fortunate I was to have a partner who
[27:28] Speaker 2: was so patient. And also there were a few things
[27:31] Speaker 2: where I may have been like I'm out, amout yeah yeah,
[27:37] Speaker 2: yeah yeah, And it really is a testament to how
[27:40] Speaker 2: much how much you love me and our relationship and
[27:44] Speaker 2: wanted to be with me, and how much I wanted
[27:47] Speaker 2: to be with you. But I'm glad, like there's you
[27:49] Speaker 2: know that you have a way of expressing that because
[27:51] Speaker 2: there was a lot of time in our life that
[27:54] Speaker 2: was private before we came out publicly that it was hard.
[28:00] Speaker 5: I mean I think when you're well, right back at you, babe,
[28:02] Speaker 5: because you could have also been like, see, yah, this
[28:06] Speaker 5: is too hard. But I think it goes back to like,
[28:09] Speaker 5: you know, you meet someone and like they might have
[28:13] Speaker 5: a totally different upbringing or they might have a totally
[28:15] Speaker 5: different religion or culture, and it's like you're navigating, Okay.
[28:20] Speaker 3: What are my boundaries?
[28:21] Speaker 5: Like what do I need in a partner, and like
[28:23] Speaker 5: can this person be come from a totally different world
[28:26] Speaker 5: than my world?
[28:27] Speaker 3: And like how do we meet?
[28:29] Speaker 5: And also it's kind of like in Us against the
[28:31] Speaker 5: World's kind of thing too, where it's like how do
[28:33] Speaker 5: you navigate your love and also navigate all the other
[28:36] Speaker 5: relationships that have expectations, whether it's family or friends, Like
[28:41] Speaker 5: people always have something to say, and so it's just
[28:43] Speaker 5: like navigating a new relationship, navigating all of all of
[28:48] Speaker 5: these people's like feelings and thoughts on your relationship, and
[28:52] Speaker 5: then like reclaiming your relationship and being like this is
[28:55] Speaker 5: our relationship and like if you're good, then I'm good,
[28:58] Speaker 5: and then the rest we'll figure out.
[29:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's something so beautiful about being with
[29:04] Speaker 1: someone like a partner that is from totally a different background,
[29:08] Speaker 1: because like I mean, I just I can't imagine being
[29:14] Speaker 1: with someone that's exactly or is exactly like me.
[29:17] Speaker 3: Well, it challenges you, It challenges you too, but.
[29:19] Speaker 1: It's such a beautiful thing to like learn and accept
[29:23] Speaker 1: and grow and like experience new things. And I don't know,
[29:27] Speaker 1: I just think it's like it's a beautiful way to
[29:30] Speaker 1: experience life.
[29:31] Speaker 5: Yeah, And I but I think it takes courage, Like
[29:34] Speaker 5: and I think we live in a society that encourages familiarity,
[29:38] Speaker 5: encourages sameness, right, and just being like, you know, that's
[29:44] Speaker 5: what's easy, right, And so it takes a lot of
[29:46] Speaker 5: courage to be like, oh I haven't thought of it
[29:49] Speaker 5: that way, or oh, like there's another way to live,
[29:51] Speaker 5: or oh there's another way to be centered, or there's
[29:53] Speaker 5: another way to think about this, and so you know,
[29:57] Speaker 5: but that takes strength and not being a narcissist. So
[30:04] Speaker 5: self awareness is really key, it is, it is.
[30:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, But so with narcissism, there's like a lot of
[30:09] Speaker 1: narcissists out there, and I think it's like.
[30:11] Speaker 5: Eighty twenty we're in a world of about eighty percent narcist.
[30:15] Speaker 3: Yes, and you guys are not in it, so congratulations.
[30:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, we work hard at that, not being narcissists. But yeah,
[30:22] Speaker 2: I feel like I'm just so proud of you. I'm
[30:25] Speaker 2: proud of us, I'm proud of our love and I'm
[30:27] Speaker 2: so I mean, reading your intro of all the things
[30:30] Speaker 2: you do is like it's it's so interesting because I'm
[30:34] Speaker 2: so familiar with it and I'm in it with you
[30:37] Speaker 2: and like the creativity and the process of it.
[30:40] Speaker 4: But when I when I'm reading it from this perspective,
[30:43] Speaker 4: I'm like, whoa, she does a lot. It's so impressive.
[30:47] Speaker 3: It really is so impressive. Like I'm.
[30:51] Speaker 1: Everything else aside just writing a three hundred page novel
[30:55] Speaker 1: is so hard, and I'm so proud of you, and
[31:00] Speaker 1: it looks beautiful and I do I want to manifest
[31:03] Speaker 1: and I hope that you that this can become like.
[31:07] Speaker 4: Your time New York. Yeah, there, Cellar.
[31:13] Speaker 3: But also I could see it becoming like a Netflix binge.
[31:17] Speaker 3: Yeah we a binge, we get another binge? Yeah, like
[31:20] Speaker 3: a girly pop binge.
[31:25] Speaker 1: Tanya will be directing it, Yeah, I could be in
[31:28] Speaker 1: charge of the soundtrack exactly.
[31:31] Speaker 2: Why so Tanya wrote a song and she wanted to
[31:36] Speaker 2: present it to you, but we're going to take a
[31:38] Speaker 2: break and we'll be right back, all right. So in
[32:00] Speaker 2: Monday's episode, Tanya was sharing a song that she has
[32:05] Speaker 2: written herself, and she performed a little snippet of it
[32:08] Speaker 2: on that podcast and then I thought, wow, you should
[32:12] Speaker 2: you should sing it, Na Haley, just to get any feedback.
[32:18] Speaker 2: And the floor is yours stle.
[32:21] Speaker 3: Where those room for us. It feels like there's a
[32:25] Speaker 3: sacrifice involved. Both parties have to sacrifice, sacrifice for love.
[32:34] Speaker 3: It's a thankless job.
[32:36] Speaker 1: You run off and do what you want, sacrifice for love.
[32:45] Speaker 3: But should the other one sacrifice too? Should it fades out?
[32:58] Speaker 5: That wasn't really beautifl and I loved that you were
[33:01] Speaker 5: staring into my eyes the entire time, no blinking necessary.
[33:06] Speaker 3: I feel like I'm on Like that felt intimate. Yeah,
[33:09] Speaker 3: thank you, Tanya. That was beautiful. You're welcome.
[33:13] Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean would you turn your chair around? Yeah?
[33:16] Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely, I'd be like, what is that song? Yeah? Wow,
[33:29] Speaker 3: we'll talk, Yeah, we'll talk people maybe yeah, viol violin
[33:34] Speaker 3: A violent version of that would be really lovely Victorian era, Yeah,
[33:38] Speaker 3: that would be absolutely stunning.
[33:45] Speaker 4: So we did get engaged almost four months ago.
[33:49] Speaker 3: Wow, that's wild. I know, time flies. Time flies when
[33:53] Speaker 3: you're having fun.
[33:54] Speaker 2: And the people are, you know, curious, Well they got
[33:58] Speaker 2: some curious. They're so curious about it's serious. What the
[34:02] Speaker 2: next plans are? Okay, the next steps?
[34:05] Speaker 4: I don't know if there's anything you'd want to share.
[34:07] Speaker 3: Oh, is there something you want to share?
[34:10] Speaker 4: I don't have anything to share.
[34:11] Speaker 3: I hope to be proposed to. You are going to
[34:16] Speaker 3: I'm relaxed now.
[34:19] Speaker 4: Oh, you're just relaxing too.
[34:21] Speaker 2: No.
[34:21] Speaker 5: I mean, like, you know, once you put a ring
[34:23] Speaker 5: on it, then we'll get the ball, get the ball
[34:26] Speaker 5: rolling on plans and stuff. But I've heard from many
[34:30] Speaker 5: people to have a long engagement because they said it's
[34:33] Speaker 5: like such an amazing like chapter and so you know,
[34:37] Speaker 5: I'm enjoying that. No, I'm really enjoying my fiance, I say.
[34:42] Speaker 5: And if you get to the end of the book,
[34:45] Speaker 5: you know, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, whoa, there's some bells ringing?
[34:51] Speaker 3: Maybe maybe not, I don't know. You got to read
[34:55] Speaker 3: the book. I'm so looking forward to your wedding. Oh yeah,
[34:58] Speaker 3: I'm excited to bok excited to read book. I'm like,
[35:03] Speaker 3: I'm excited for you to read the book, and I'm
[35:05] Speaker 3: excited for the wedding. I'm excited for it all. I'm
[35:08] Speaker 3: really excited too. I wanted to so.
[35:12] Speaker 2: Tanya has offered that if I if you need any
[35:15] Speaker 2: help planning my birthday next.
[35:16] Speaker 3: Week, she is of service, so that would be great.
[35:20] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[35:20] Speaker 2: I told her that you would reach out if you
[35:22] Speaker 2: needed anything because you saw her in action during the.
[35:25] Speaker 3: It was really harassive. Yeah, I've never seen anything like it.
[35:29] Speaker 3: You guys are crazy.
[35:32] Speaker 4: Yeah, she talked about it a lot.
[35:34] Speaker 3: I was really impressed your planning skills. Yeah, so honored.
[35:39] Speaker 3: I feel thoughtful, very thoughtful. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome.
[35:44] Speaker 3: I'll text you after this. Perfect. How many interviews do
[35:50] Speaker 3: you have lined up? I have a few, but I
[35:52] Speaker 3: wanted to come here first.
[35:55] Speaker 4: You know what could be at the book tours?
[36:01] Speaker 5: Well, depending on the city, there's uh, there's met and
[36:05] Speaker 5: greets at every city, I believe, and then there's Q
[36:08] Speaker 5: and a's in a couple of the cities.
[36:10] Speaker 3: Uh. So that's what you should expect. Unfortunately, no like
[36:14] Speaker 3: concert performance, you know, no acoustic performance a recession.
[36:17] Speaker 5: Sorry, all right, I'm really excited. It's just like so
[36:22] Speaker 5: lonely online sometimes and so I'm so excited to see
[36:25] Speaker 5: people in person and just like reconnect with my community,
[36:30] Speaker 5: my people.
[36:30] Speaker 4: Haley's very much needs social interaction.
[36:33] Speaker 3: I don't.
[36:34] Speaker 2: But she like if we are just in the house
[36:37] Speaker 2: for too long, She's like, I it's time, I need
[36:40] Speaker 2: to I just have to.
[36:41] Speaker 3: Do one thing a day. Yeah, if I just do one,
[36:43] Speaker 3: what's the thing? Like go to Target? Yeah, oh okay, or.
[36:46] Speaker 1: Like go to a grocery store, but not like you
[36:48] Speaker 1: don't need to go to like an you don't need
[36:50] Speaker 1: to go to dinner or like a No, I need
[36:52] Speaker 1: to leave the house once a day. Yes, and Becca
[36:55] Speaker 1: could be in the house for three plus days with
[36:59] Speaker 1: seeing with no oxygen, no fresh air, and then nothing
[37:02] Speaker 1: stop outside.
[37:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, but you don't have to.
[37:06] Speaker 4: I don't have to, but I do.
[37:08] Speaker 3: It's crazy.
[37:08] Speaker 5: It is a really impressive thing, very like bare hibernation energy.
[37:16] Speaker 2: That's how I recover. But she gives a lot of
[37:18] Speaker 2: comfort from socializing. Yeah, like if I socialize, I need
[37:23] Speaker 2: to recover.
[37:24] Speaker 4: Yeah, if you got on.
[37:25] Speaker 3: A Friday, you best believe Saturday, Sunday, Monday, she done.
[37:28] Speaker 3: We went to a party on Friday and we did
[37:30] Speaker 3: nothing Saturdays.
[37:31] Speaker 2: But she had to get up and go do something
[37:33] Speaker 2: and that was herding. She's fulfilled that she had an outing.
[37:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that I can't sit. I can't watch
[37:39] Speaker 1: TV during the daylight. It's called something. It's called like
[37:45] Speaker 1: it's no, it's called something. It's called like she can't
[37:48] Speaker 1: watch daily. No, it's like something where you can't watch
[37:51] Speaker 1: TV during the day because it's no because you feel
[37:54] Speaker 1: bad because you should be like seizing the day.
[37:57] Speaker 5: Oh, I have that, but not a TV thing. I
[38:00] Speaker 5: just have that as like a baseline. Yeah, like I
[38:03] Speaker 5: have to go seize the day or like do something
[38:05] Speaker 5: like I cannot if I want. Even there's a show
[38:07] Speaker 5: that I love and I have the afternoon, I can
[38:09] Speaker 5: watch it at two pm. I will not watch until
[38:11] Speaker 5: like six. Really, yeah, it's sick we.
[38:14] Speaker 1: Put our TV in a spot where the glare makes
[38:17] Speaker 1: it impossible to watch to start watching it during the day.
[38:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, really I love a day watch. But again I
[38:23] Speaker 3: still have to have my outing.
[38:25] Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I was speaking thinking about talking about
[38:29] Speaker 2: no acoustic performance because it's a recession. But are you
[38:32] Speaker 2: people I get dms all the time about you making
[38:34] Speaker 2: more music?
[38:35] Speaker 4: Are you working on music?
[38:36] Speaker 5: I am working on music. I you know, obviously just
[38:41] Speaker 5: staring at me. You know, did the Girls Like Girls
[38:45] Speaker 5: movie and we're you know, wrapping that up. But uh,
[38:50] Speaker 5: there's plans to have more music, a new album. We'll see,
[38:55] Speaker 5: we'll see.
[38:57] Speaker 3: Stay tuned, do you know or do you just can't
[39:00] Speaker 3: tell us? I just can't tell you. That's fair. Yeah,
[39:03] Speaker 3: I tell you a lot of things though, for sure.
[39:06] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[39:07] Speaker 5: But yeah, I've been I've been in the studio. I've
[39:08] Speaker 5: been writing music, so yeah, you know, stay tuned. I
[39:13] Speaker 5: have some really good songs that would work really well
[39:15] Speaker 5: for this book.
[39:16] Speaker 4: But like, oh there's a song, an unreleased song.
[39:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a song, perfly.
[39:22] Speaker 5: I get to hear everything, but I think I'm gonna
[39:25] Speaker 5: wait and keep it for like future, you know what
[39:28] Speaker 5: I mean.
[39:28] Speaker 3: Like it's got to be the right timing.
[39:30] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't be released.
[39:32] Speaker 5: But I do have a collab with Cash Cash coming
[39:34] Speaker 5: out October thirty first, called Sadness. I just remembered October
[39:38] Speaker 5: this like Halloween, Yeah, like.
[39:40] Speaker 3: Is that next week?
[39:41] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[39:41] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, October. There.
[39:42] Speaker 5: I do have a song, but I did it like
[39:44] Speaker 5: I did it a couple of years ago with these
[39:46] Speaker 5: guys Cash Cash it's called Sadness.
[39:48] Speaker 3: It's really cute, it's really catchy, really catching.
[39:50] Speaker 2: Weirdly found myself singing it and I haven't heard it
[39:53] Speaker 2: since she did it, which was like years ago, and
[39:57] Speaker 2: I found myself singing it and I was like, what
[39:58] Speaker 2: is this song that I'm singing?
[39:59] Speaker 3: That's good year worm?
[40:00] Speaker 4: Ye, yes, very sick.
[40:03] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost askey as that.
[40:06] Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, So you'll have a little bit of music
[40:08] Speaker 5: next week and then and then not till twenty twenty seven,
[40:12] Speaker 5: twenty twenty six. Oh okay, yeah, okay, so albums you
[40:16] Speaker 5: squeezing the information out of me.
[40:18] Speaker 4: Yeah, just give the people a tease, give the hand.
[40:22] Speaker 1: It's just it's a lot. It's a lot, you know, Like,
[40:25] Speaker 1: it's just I'm I need to be everywhere I know
[40:28] Speaker 1: once and you want to give, you want to give
[40:30] Speaker 1: the book, like this is the time for the book.
[40:32] Speaker 1: So yeah, this is the book, and the book tie
[40:35] Speaker 1: and then and then the movie and then the album.
[40:37] Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
[40:38] Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone's doing fourteen things in one year.
[40:43] Speaker 1: Correct. I can barely squeeze in three appointments in a day,
[40:47] Speaker 1: so yeah, I like one appointment a day personally.
[40:51] Speaker 4: Do y'all have your Halloween coster. You have your Halloween costume? Yes,
[40:54] Speaker 4: we do, not you do.
[40:55] Speaker 3: Do you know what it is?
[40:57] Speaker 2: I do know?
[40:58] Speaker 4: Share talk of your hints.
[41:00] Speaker 3: This book is very giving. The vibe of my really interesting,
[41:06] Speaker 3: like a Bridger energy address as a book.
[41:16] Speaker 4: Colors, Oh wicked.
[41:19] Speaker 3: Nice. We have to figure out, we have to figure out.
[41:23] Speaker 1: What we're gonna do, like literally today. I know, why
[41:26] Speaker 1: don't you be demon Hunters? I know, I love Yeah,
[41:29] Speaker 1: I wanted to do it too, but Rob was like,
[41:32] Speaker 1: oh I love that, but I like being green. So
[41:35] Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out another clean.
[41:37] Speaker 4: Moments only so much you can be.
[41:42] Speaker 3: You kidding track Guardians of the Galaxy, and you could.
[41:49] Speaker 4: Be I already threw that out there, but she didn't
[41:51] Speaker 4: want to be kermit.
[41:53] Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry.
[41:55] Speaker 5: I'm trying to think of my face being like you
[41:58] Speaker 5: have to wear both with that claw, it's like that
[42:02] Speaker 5: fuzzy cloth.
[42:03] Speaker 3: He's like a fuzzy cloth. Yeah, not Linen, What is
[42:07] Speaker 3: first all you said green? You didn't say it had
[42:09] Speaker 3: to not be.
[42:10] Speaker 1: I know, I know, but I like it to look
[42:12] Speaker 1: pretty real. I'd have to like build a cardboard face.
[42:14] Speaker 1: I don't know, if I have time.
[42:16] Speaker 5: We'll see yeah, but I did think Shrek was a
[42:18] Speaker 5: good idea, but maybe not this year. It's a lot
[42:20] Speaker 5: feels very like time intensive. Yeah, I think you could
[42:23] Speaker 5: do it. You think you want to do my makeup
[42:26] Speaker 5: for it. I don't think you want me to do
[42:28] Speaker 5: your makeup for it. Let's just start there.
[42:31] Speaker 3: TVD, TVD. We got five day.
[42:33] Speaker 4: I'm pretty stressed.
[42:34] Speaker 3: Yeah, we're pretty stressed. It's fine.
[42:36] Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's fine. It'll be great either way.
[42:39] Speaker 5: And then we have our birthday, which is so fun,
[42:41] Speaker 5: so fun would be the best. Soak up thirty seven girl.
[42:45] Speaker 4: Yeah, back spasms are on the way.
[42:49] Speaker 3: One year starts to go south.
[42:52] Speaker 4: Yeah, I got one year of pain free life.
[42:55] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[42:55] Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Can I talk about the audio book?
[42:58] Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
[42:59] Speaker 4: Please.
[43:00] Speaker 3: So the audiobook is phenomenal.
[43:02] Speaker 5: I wasn't going to read it, but I ended up
[43:05] Speaker 5: reading the Ivy chapters because I can't do a British accent.
[43:09] Speaker 3: And then we got the amazing Jemima.
[43:11] Speaker 5: Kirk to read Freya's chapters, and so it's myself and
[43:14] Speaker 5: Jemima Kirk and then there's like amazing music in the
[43:18] Speaker 5: audiobook and it literally feels like cinema.
[43:20] Speaker 3: I'm like so proud of it.
[43:22] Speaker 2: Cool.
[43:23] Speaker 3: I love an audiobook book personally. I enjoy reading. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
[43:27] Speaker 3: I enjoy them both. Yeah.
[43:29] Speaker 5: Well, and it gives for the If you're an audiobook person,
[43:34] Speaker 5: definitely listen to it because I'm.
[43:35] Speaker 4: Amazed, super super proud of it.
[43:37] Speaker 3: Where can everybody buy every it? You literally can get it.
[43:40] Speaker 5: Anywhere you get books and anywhere you get audiobooks, so
[43:43] Speaker 5: you know, you're any bookstores to Barnes and Noble, to
[43:47] Speaker 5: Amazon to Audible, like you can literally just type it
[43:50] Speaker 5: in and you'll find it. I also have a link
[43:52] Speaker 5: in my bio on Instagram.
[43:54] Speaker 2: And where can people follow you already? Just my name
[43:59] Speaker 2: hey like Kyoko on all platforms yeah, or you can
[44:02] Speaker 2: find me through Becca's Instagram too.
[44:06] Speaker 3: Thank you guys for having me.
[44:07] Speaker 5: I'm so excited and proud of this book, and I'm
[44:10] Speaker 5: really excited for people to get to to see it
[44:13] Speaker 5: through the eyes of Ivy and Freya. So thank you
[44:17] Speaker 5: so much for supporting us and me and enjoy where
[44:21] Speaker 5: there's room for us.
[44:22] Speaker 3: Grubbers wait to read it.
[44:24] Speaker 4: We know how scrubbers show up, So go buy your
[44:28] Speaker 4: copy in any form. It's so beautiful, it's like a
[44:32] Speaker 4: relic is that what you call it? A relic?
[44:34] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[44:34] Speaker 3: Oh wait yeah. And two you can take the top off,
[44:39] Speaker 3: So I did that with girls and girls tooo. So
[44:41] Speaker 3: that's like it's like a chic like a coffee table book.
[44:44] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[44:45] Speaker 3: So pretty art art.
[44:47] Speaker 4: She thinks of everything.
[44:49] Speaker 3: Yes, es, love you guys, We love you.
[44:52] Speaker 2: B

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