# How AI Is Shaping Agility — with Jurgen Appelo

An episode of [AI Today Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1279927057), 10 Sep 2025, 31 min.

Audio: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2502664/episodes/17804627-how-ai-is-shaping-agility-with-jurgen-appelo.mp3

In this episode of AI Today, recorded live at the Agile2025 event, hosts Kathleen Walch and Avinash Dhanraj sit down with author, entrepreneur, and organizational design expert Jurgen Appelo to explore how agility must evolve in the age of AI. As part of our AI & Agile mini-series, this conversation unpacks the challenges of outdated frameworks, the importance of experimentation, and what it takes to build organizations that are truly adaptable—when both humans and AI agents are part of the team. Tune in to hear about: • Why agility isn’t just about rituals—but about responsiveness and results • How AI is reshaping team dynamics, leadership models, and management roles • The tension between structure and emergence in AI-augmented organizations • Why “everyone is a manager now” in hybrid human-AI teams • How to preserve play, creativity, and purpose—even with algorithmic assistance Whether you're a seasoned agile coach, project or program manager, transformation leader, or navigating the complexities of implementing AI, this conversation delivers wisdom, caution, and inspiration in equal measure.

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