# Attorney Ken Harris wrote a controversial novel, "Dark Trades" - What if the South had won the Civil War?

An episode of [Money Making Conversations Master Class](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1264705641), 16 Jun 2024, 27 min.

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Listen and subscribe to Money Making Conversations on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, www.moneymakingconversations.com/subscribe/ or wherever you listen to podcasts. New Money Making Conversations episodes drop daily. I want to alert you, so you don’t miss out on expert analysis and insider perspectives from my guests who provide tips that can help you uplift the community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur. Keep winning! Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald, interviewed Attorney Ken Harris. Dark Trades is a controversial historical fiction novel that discuss "What if the South had won the Civil War?" Ken graduated from the University of North Carolina as an undergraduate and from law school. Harris has practiced law in North Carolina for over 30 years. He has handled and litigated personal injury claims across the state including to the North Carolina Court of Appeals. Harris is a former NBA and NFL agent. He has handled various business matters for Earvin "Magic" Johnson for over 25 years. Harris has also represented and worked with notable entertainment figures like Mathew Knowles. Harris is currently the CEO of one of the largest minority energy marketers in the US. Money Making Conversations Master Class with Rushion McDonald is America's premier entrepreneurship, business leadership, financial literacy, and wealth-building podcast featuring successful entrepreneurs, executives, founders, celebrities, and industry experts sharing actionable insights for professional and financial success. Business Podcast Entrepreneurship Small Business Business Growth Financial Literacy Wealth Building Black Entrepreneurs Minority Business Leadership Executive Leadership Business Funding Marketing Strategies Personal Development Startup Advice Sales Training CEO Interviews Founder Stories Professional Development Economic Empowerment Business Success Networking Brand Building Innovation How to start a business Small business funding Entrepreneur success stories Business leadership podcast Wealth building strategies Black entrepreneur podcast Minority business development Marketing for small businesses Business growth strategies Startup funding opportunities Executive leadership training Financial literacy education Success mindset podcast See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[0:00] Speaker 1: If you're about to make a change in your life
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[0:47] Speaker 1: future when they reach a certain age. I've been there,
[0:52] Speaker 1: you know, because the system told me I was supposed
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[0:59] Speaker 1: the check that they are offered to me I could
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[1:37] Speaker 1: four million people exceeded the age of sixty five years
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[3:36] Speaker 1: I'm Rushan MacDonald. As you know, I host the weekly
[3:39] Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Master Class show. The interviews and information
[3:42] Speaker 1: that this show provides are for everyone. It's time to
[3:45] Speaker 1: start reading other people's success stories and start living your own.
[3:49] Speaker 1: My guest is a former NBA and NFL agent. I
[3:53] Speaker 1: love this guy. He's an attorney in Charlotte, North Carolina.
[3:56] Speaker 1: If you've never been to Charlotte, great food in that city.
[3:59] Speaker 1: He is handling a litigated personal entry and the author
[4:02] Speaker 1: of a very popular novel, Dark Matters. Let me tell
[4:06] Speaker 1: you why I've read this book. What what? What is
[4:09] Speaker 1: the South? What if the South had won the Civil War?
[4:13] Speaker 1: Dark Matters? What if the South had won the Civil War?
[4:17] Speaker 1: That's a creative mind. Please work with the Money Making
[4:19] Speaker 1: Conversations Master Class. Attorney Ken Harris.
[4:24] Speaker 3: Sean, how were you doing, my friend, Ken?
[4:26] Speaker 2: How did you? Okay? Now you're busy. We're gonna get
[4:28] Speaker 2: to the busy part.
[4:29] Speaker 1: But I got to I got to jump in this
[4:31] Speaker 1: book because you know, we've been This book been in
[4:33] Speaker 1: our lives for a minute.
[4:35] Speaker 2: You know.
[4:35] Speaker 1: Has been well reviewed online and various publications have talked
[4:39] Speaker 1: about Dark matters.
[4:40] Speaker 2: What if the South just give me a dark trade? Excuse me?
[4:44] Speaker 1: Uh, I apologize dark trades? What if the South had
[4:47] Speaker 1: won the Civil War? Now, tell us about why you
[4:52] Speaker 1: wrote the book.
[4:55] Speaker 3: You know, Rashaan, as you know, I have a long
[4:57] Speaker 3: history of advocate see related to the African American community.
[5:03] Speaker 3: You know, my mentor is my big brother, Urban Magic Johnson.
[5:07] Speaker 3: I've worked with and under mister Johnson for twenty five
[5:11] Speaker 3: years now, and we've always had a concern about us
[5:15] Speaker 3: in the African American community having the proper historical perspective.
[5:21] Speaker 3: And I always thought, hey, do you know how close
[5:24] Speaker 3: we came to losing the Civil War? You know, battles
[5:27] Speaker 3: at Gettysburg and Vicksburg were very close contests. What if
[5:33] Speaker 3: we had lost that war? What would it be like
[5:35] Speaker 3: for the African American community now? Would slavery still exist?
[5:41] Speaker 3: And if it still existed, would there be something inside
[5:45] Speaker 3: the African American community and African Americans that would have
[5:49] Speaker 3: allowed us to still overcome? And that was the inspiration
[5:54] Speaker 3: for the book. The setting is the year twenty eighteen.
[5:58] Speaker 3: We're in Baltimore, and the story is about a slave
[6:02] Speaker 3: journey to freedom despite the weight and heaviness of the
[6:09] Speaker 3: oppression of slavery.
[6:10] Speaker 1: Right now, let me ask you this because of the
[6:13] Speaker 1: fact that I went to the Getty's Gettysburg. You know,
[6:17] Speaker 1: I was doing a session up there, and it was close.
[6:20] Speaker 3: Man.
[6:20] Speaker 1: If you if you go see the Battle of Gettysburg,
[6:23] Speaker 1: you go it was close because they weren't that far
[6:26] Speaker 1: from the White House.
[6:27] Speaker 2: There was there was.
[6:29] Speaker 1: A couple of little mistakes, a couple of level degrees
[6:31] Speaker 1: of arrogance, and one guy, their top general. This guy
[6:35] Speaker 1: was his strategist. I'm just gonna let everybody know he
[6:38] Speaker 1: was accidentally killed by his own men. If that guy,
[6:43] Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna tell you you need to learn
[6:45] Speaker 1: your history. That's what this interview is about us understanding
[6:49] Speaker 1: our historical perspective on the big what if, because guess what,
[6:53] Speaker 1: we're living in a giant what if right now?
[6:56] Speaker 2: Okay, you know, right now.
[6:59] Speaker 1: You can call it politics, you can call it Trumpism,
[7:02] Speaker 1: you can call it whatever you want. To talk is
[7:04] Speaker 1: that we have to understand that history can repeat itself.
[7:07] Speaker 1: It just designed in different ways. But when I went
[7:10] Speaker 1: to the Gettysburg Gettysburg for that meeting, and I took
[7:13] Speaker 1: that tour, Attorney Harris I was stunned, I can believe
[7:18] Speaker 1: the information. Then I went home and watched the documentary
[7:22] Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, talk to us man.
[7:26] Speaker 3: It was so close to the South winning the Civil War.
[7:30] Speaker 3: It could have happened. The book Dark Trades assumes that
[7:34] Speaker 3: the capital of the United States is now in Richmond. Yes,
[7:39] Speaker 3: but if you really just about how the mechanism, I'm sorry,
[7:44] Speaker 3: the structure of slavery would have proliferated throughout the United
[7:49] Speaker 3: States and grown and like a virus basically, but what
[7:54] Speaker 3: would have also grown was this underlying strength of our
[7:58] Speaker 3: community to still'll fight to overcome. The question is whether
[8:02] Speaker 3: or not there would be enough strength to overcome slavery
[8:07] Speaker 3: even in modern day times. And that's what the book
[8:10] Speaker 3: is about.
[8:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, because you really it does. It's everything's a timeline.
[8:13] Speaker 1: You know, academics tied to HBCU started after slavery, where
[8:17] Speaker 1: there was some there was a couple of HBCUs that started,
[8:20] Speaker 1: you know, prior to slavery's you know, in Eradication of slavery.
[8:25] Speaker 1: But basically HBCU started after that, and it was started
[8:28] Speaker 1: And I'm just just just piggybacking on Dark Trades because
[8:32] Speaker 1: what attorney Harris is saying is that, you know, we
[8:36] Speaker 1: still had to create our own models for academics. Even
[8:39] Speaker 1: when slavery was won by the North, we still had
[8:44] Speaker 1: to create academic training for our people.
[8:47] Speaker 2: So what if they.
[8:48] Speaker 1: Would have won, what would that academic training it would
[8:51] Speaker 1: have looked, like, Attorney Harris.
[8:54] Speaker 3: It's so interesting because we have a national campaign to
[8:58] Speaker 3: get people's thoughts on what would have had and had
[9:01] Speaker 3: the South won the Civil War. Some people say that,
[9:05] Speaker 3: you know, slavery continues in certain ways from a mental
[9:08] Speaker 3: aspect and an emotional aspect related to how the African
[9:13] Speaker 3: American has been treated. Some people say that had the
[9:17] Speaker 3: South won the Civil War, slavery would at some point
[9:21] Speaker 3: still have disappeared in the United States. But the vast
[9:26] Speaker 3: majority of people that we talked to across the country
[9:28] Speaker 3: say that had the South won the Civil War, slavery
[9:31] Speaker 3: would still be an institution here in the United States.
[9:35] Speaker 3: African Americans would still be brutally oppressed, yes, and it
[9:39] Speaker 3: would be a situation that we would have to overcome
[9:42] Speaker 3: even in today's world.
[9:43] Speaker 1: So wow, we're talking to Attorney Ken Harris. He's based
[9:47] Speaker 1: out of Charlotte, North Carolina. Went up there in Hungary
[9:49] Speaker 1: with him a couple of times. Doc Trades is this
[9:51] Speaker 1: book is a controversy historical fiction novel that discusses what
[9:56] Speaker 1: if the South had won the Civil War. That's just
[9:58] Speaker 1: part of your life. Part of your life, you know,
[10:01] Speaker 1: former NBA and NFL agent. When you look at these salaries, now,
[10:05] Speaker 1: did you get out of the game too early?
[10:09] Speaker 3: And I got out of the game too early before
[10:11] Speaker 3: it's a.
[10:13] Speaker 2: Did you get out?
[10:14] Speaker 4: I got?
[10:15] Speaker 3: Maybe I got out when I did. But I tell
[10:17] Speaker 3: you what, when you look at some of these crazy salaries.
[10:20] Speaker 3: You know, Michael Jordan's and I went to college together,
[10:24] Speaker 3: and I heard Michael say at one point that kids
[10:27] Speaker 3: now are being played paid for what they might become,
[10:31] Speaker 3: not what for what they have done. And I think
[10:34] Speaker 3: that's the difference. When I was an agent, you still
[10:38] Speaker 3: had to kind of earn it to get to that
[10:40] Speaker 3: big salary. Nowadays, within I L and uh, you know
[10:45] Speaker 3: situations involving uh, you know what you can get after
[10:48] Speaker 3: your rookie salary. Uh, these are situations where oftentimes payers
[10:52] Speaker 3: are being played paid historical amounts of money before they've
[10:55] Speaker 3: really earned it as a superstar. So it's definitely an
[11:00] Speaker 3: interesting dynamic now I.
[11:02] Speaker 1: Got to talk to you about this because you know
[11:03] Speaker 1: this money making conversation masterclass turned Harris when I see,
[11:08] Speaker 1: when I see because you represented talent athletes. You know,
[11:11] Speaker 1: because you use so many stories, so many dramas about
[11:15] Speaker 1: athletes who are file bankruptcy. You know that story dominates.
[11:19] Speaker 1: Is it really do athletes really don't? Is it a
[11:23] Speaker 1: tremendous or high rate of financial failure for professional athletes
[11:28] Speaker 1: that we read about.
[11:29] Speaker 2: That's just a rumor.
[11:31] Speaker 3: No, that's true. And the problem is you could.
[11:35] Speaker 2: Have slowed down with that. You just flew right there.
[11:40] Speaker 3: And in shine that. The reality is athletes are focused
[11:44] Speaker 3: on learning their trade as a professional athlete. Where is
[11:48] Speaker 3: the master class or the money making conversation for an
[11:53] Speaker 3: athlete about how to preserve and utilize their resources once
[11:58] Speaker 3: they get money and they need a rushin McDonald, They
[12:01] Speaker 3: need these types of conversations. We're still lacking. And it
[12:05] Speaker 3: hasn't it gotten worse because with the proliferation of nil,
[12:09] Speaker 3: the individuals or kids who are getting substantial amounts of
[12:14] Speaker 3: money are getting younger, right, so they have even less
[12:17] Speaker 3: training about how to preserve and utilize those resources. And
[12:22] Speaker 3: then we've got a challenge in our community because our
[12:25] Speaker 3: community have not typically been trained up to understand how
[12:29] Speaker 3: to utilize and preserve their money. So it is a
[12:34] Speaker 3: it is a very serious problem for sure.
[12:36] Speaker 1: Well, see this blows my mind. Let me just talk
[12:39] Speaker 1: about justin Jefferson's contract here. Okay, it's one hundred and
[12:43] Speaker 1: forty million dollars. One hundred and ten million dollars was guaranteed.
[12:50] Speaker 1: Now listen to me, everybody, when he signs his contract,
[12:55] Speaker 1: they're going to hand him or check for eighty three
[12:58] Speaker 1: million dollars. Please help me, Attorney Harris to sit down
[13:05] Speaker 1: and say who does he have to have around him
[13:09] Speaker 1: immediately to make sure that check doesn't go immediately to
[13:14] Speaker 1: the government to make sure he a check allows him
[13:18] Speaker 1: to basically walk away and never play football again if
[13:21] Speaker 1: he wanted to after his contract expires. What team does
[13:25] Speaker 1: he have to have around him when he gets a
[13:27] Speaker 1: contract like that?
[13:30] Speaker 3: You know? Is it true? The requirement is that you
[13:33] Speaker 3: have good attorneys, good investment advisors who are conservative. You
[13:39] Speaker 3: have to have good accountants. But unfortunately that infrastructure does
[13:43] Speaker 3: not exist around many players who get money like that,
[13:48] Speaker 3: and so in the absence of that infrastructure, you substitute
[13:52] Speaker 3: in other individuals who are less qualified to advise the
[13:57] Speaker 3: player about what he should do or she should to
[14:00] Speaker 3: do with their money. And you know, the sad thing
[14:04] Speaker 3: about it is, once that money is spent, Rushan is
[14:06] Speaker 3: brutal because that money is gone. You don't get that back.
[14:10] Speaker 3: There's no sympathy out there for someone who made fifty
[14:14] Speaker 3: or sixty million dollars through out their career, right, and
[14:17] Speaker 3: it's gone.
[14:18] Speaker 2: It's just gone, just like Brown.
[14:20] Speaker 1: Did you read about him filing bankruptcy? You know, I
[14:22] Speaker 1: know he's done some crazy things on him last year,
[14:24] Speaker 1: but he made almost roughly eighty million dollars.
[14:29] Speaker 3: And isn't it true that the tenure of a professional
[14:32] Speaker 3: athlete is very short?
[14:34] Speaker 2: Right?
[14:34] Speaker 3: So the point you made earlier is very accurate. What
[14:37] Speaker 3: does the player do after that short tenure? And unfortunately,
[14:44] Speaker 3: it doesn't typically end up with them surrounding themselves with
[14:46] Speaker 3: the people who are capable of helping them manage their money.
[14:49] Speaker 1: I'm gonna just tell you something I have on the
[14:52] Speaker 1: phone with me one of the most interesting attorneys in
[14:56] Speaker 1: this country. We already started out with the novel dark Trades,
[14:59] Speaker 1: right then we went over to former NBA NFL agent.
[15:03] Speaker 2: Now, when we come back Personal injury litigations.
[15:08] Speaker 1: Man, and we ain't even got the energy yet, so
[15:11] Speaker 1: you know you coming back. When we come back, I
[15:14] Speaker 1: want to talk about the explosion. If you don't mind
[15:18] Speaker 1: of personal injury litigation. All right on one and Making
[15:22] Speaker 1: Conversation master Class with Attorney Ken Harris, who's based in Charlotte,
[15:27] Speaker 1: North Carolina.
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[15:55] Speaker 1: My guess Attorney Ken Harris is probably one of the
[15:59] Speaker 1: most money making conversationalists conversationists guess I've ever had. Let
[16:04] Speaker 1: me get a little background. We talked about Dark Trades,
[16:07] Speaker 1: the controversial historical and I say controversial in a good
[16:10] Speaker 1: way because if it's a book that you want to
[16:12] Speaker 1: pick up and read, it's a book that I would recommend.
[16:15] Speaker 1: What if the South had won the Civil War. The
[16:17] Speaker 1: name of the book is Dark Trades is written by
[16:20] Speaker 1: attorney Ken Harris, now Ken Harris went to college with
[16:24] Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. We all know Michael Jorge, a billionaire, billionaire.
[16:27] Speaker 1: Everybody know that for the last twenty five years he's
[16:32] Speaker 1: handled many business matters for another billionaire.
[16:36] Speaker 2: Every Magic Johnson.
[16:38] Speaker 1: We all know here, bellion There, Bellionaire, other notables in
[16:42] Speaker 1: his roster of relationship. Matthew knows you know if you
[16:46] Speaker 1: don't know him, Founded, Destiny Child, Beyonce, billionaire, Bellionnaire. This
[16:53] Speaker 1: billionaire has left and right. When you have this resume
[16:57] Speaker 1: like that, Attorney Harry, what do you think, because sometimes
[17:02] Speaker 1: you just grinding and sometimes you don't realize how powerful
[17:08] Speaker 1: you've participated in the academic structure of academic success stories.
[17:12] Speaker 2: Talk to us man.
[17:14] Speaker 3: You know that's why I love and respect you so much,
[17:18] Speaker 3: because I've watched what you've done for others in a
[17:22] Speaker 3: selfless manner, and you've worked with individuals who are very
[17:27] Speaker 3: similar to Magic and Matthew Knowles and people like that.
[17:32] Speaker 3: But you know the key for me, and I'm glad
[17:34] Speaker 3: you're letting me talk a little bit about Magic and
[17:36] Speaker 3: mister Knowles. I sat there and I felt blessed by
[17:40] Speaker 3: God to have a chance to absorb their knowledge and
[17:44] Speaker 3: their capabilities and their ability to maneuver the business world.
[17:49] Speaker 3: I think both are underappreciated. I'll start with mister Knowles.
[17:53] Speaker 3: Mister Knowles has gone through a period of time where
[17:56] Speaker 3: I think the national community has failed to recognize what
[18:01] Speaker 3: he accomplished in the music world. His accomplishments are historic
[18:08] Speaker 3: and unique. And what he did with this Destiny's Child,
[18:12] Speaker 3: how he brought up Beyonce and Solange was not only
[18:16] Speaker 3: self list, but it was also historic in terms of accomplishment.
[18:23] Speaker 3: Many people don't know Rushan that mister Knowles was a
[18:25] Speaker 3: millionaire before Destiny's Child became popular. He was one of
[18:32] Speaker 3: the top salesmen at IBM before Destiny's Child became popular.
[18:38] Speaker 3: He sacrificed that you talk about money making opportunities, he
[18:43] Speaker 3: sacrificed that million dollar making background to work with his
[18:48] Speaker 3: daughters and developed their careers. So when you say Beyonce,
[18:52] Speaker 3: regardless of anything else that you think about, you have
[18:56] Speaker 3: to mention his name because he's the one who sacrificed
[19:00] Speaker 3: is to help her develop her career. The same with Magic.
[19:04] Speaker 3: Magic to me, when I'm with him and when I've
[19:08] Speaker 3: been with him over the last twenty five years and
[19:10] Speaker 3: what we've done deals, I've been in complete and utter awe.
[19:15] Speaker 3: I've never seen a person. You know Bushan, you met him,
[19:19] Speaker 3: You've been there with me and him. I know he
[19:21] Speaker 3: is so meticulous as a business person, so dedicated to
[19:27] Speaker 3: his craft as a business person. What I've learned from
[19:31] Speaker 3: him is that the success lies in the details, are
[19:36] Speaker 3: not in the hype. And I've watched him quietly in meetings,
[19:42] Speaker 3: the way the meetings are structured and organized for us
[19:44] Speaker 3: when we have meetings, how prepared he is. There was
[19:49] Speaker 3: a time, I don't know if you remember where Magic
[19:51] Speaker 3: had the Rushan You remember he had the theater.
[19:55] Speaker 1: And Los Angeles, Beverly, absolutely right there off of Printshaw.
[20:00] Speaker 3: What you know what sent me strang concerning Magic was
[20:03] Speaker 3: we were going to one of his theaters one day
[20:06] Speaker 3: to do sort of well, we're gonna sit down watch
[20:08] Speaker 3: a movie in talk business. And he was talking about
[20:11] Speaker 3: the popcorn and how much popcorn was being sold in
[20:14] Speaker 3: the theater. And I said, how in the world does
[20:17] Speaker 3: Magic have time to be concerned about how much popcorn
[20:23] Speaker 3: the theater is selling when we set up these Starbucks
[20:26] Speaker 3: and Charlotte on Wilkinson Boulevard if you live here in Charlotte, Sir.
[20:31] Speaker 3: He was concerned about the menu, the not having scones.
[20:36] Speaker 3: He wanted to have sweet potato pie.
[20:38] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[20:41] Speaker 3: Making sure that the store had commodities that were appropriate
[20:46] Speaker 3: for the community. The demographic. Oh man, these gentlemen are
[20:54] Speaker 3: giants from a business standpoint. Uh And and I think
[20:58] Speaker 3: that our community, he certainly has an obligation to recognize
[21:02] Speaker 3: why they they are where they are, not give them
[21:06] Speaker 3: any hype or recognition for what they achieved financially. I'm
[21:10] Speaker 3: talking about the why of it all. Why are they
[21:13] Speaker 3: where they are? That's where the learning is concerning magic
[21:16] Speaker 3: and miss and all.
[21:17] Speaker 2: And let me follow up this.
[21:18] Speaker 1: I'm from Houston, Texas, ladies and gentlemen, And nineteen ninety
[21:21] Speaker 1: two is when I met Matthew Knows because he's from Houston, Texas,
[21:25] Speaker 1: and I brought Destiny Child on stage at my comedic club,
[21:29] Speaker 1: hip Hop Commics stuff for the very first time. So
[21:32] Speaker 1: I saw it in the beginning. I saw him when
[21:34] Speaker 1: he was running around town trying to do every little
[21:36] Speaker 1: talent show with these This is the original group, the
[21:40] Speaker 1: original members of Destiny's Child. So I saw that what
[21:43] Speaker 1: you were talking about that desire, that love, that passion
[21:47] Speaker 1: that made all these individuals successful today. Then on Magic Johnson.
[21:52] Speaker 1: Let me just tell you everybody something about Magic Johnson.
[21:55] Speaker 1: I moved to la in nineteen ninety, well sort of
[21:59] Speaker 1: magicer Steve Harve in two thousand. Magic Johnson. If you've
[22:04] Speaker 1: ever met him, if you ever shook shake his hand,
[22:07] Speaker 1: he will act like you're the most important person that
[22:12] Speaker 1: he's shaking his hand with. I mean, you know, I
[22:16] Speaker 1: ran in the magic when we did that event in
[22:18] Speaker 1: Charlotte about a year and a half ago. I saw
[22:21] Speaker 1: magic in like five years, Magic looked across the room RuSHA.
[22:26] Speaker 1: You know, you know I'm humble. I'm like, you know,
[22:28] Speaker 1: you know this Magic John's. It's always gonna be this
[22:30] Speaker 1: Magic Johnson. You know the thing about when you say
[22:32] Speaker 1: this magic john You're always gonna bow down a little
[22:34] Speaker 1: bit because this is Magic Johnson. When he walks in
[22:36] Speaker 1: the room, I kid you not, ladies and gentlemen and
[22:39] Speaker 1: Attorney Ken Harrison, back this up. I've never seen the
[22:42] Speaker 1: talent walk in the room and people gravitate to them
[22:47] Speaker 1: with love, black white, Hispanic, It doesn't matter.
[22:51] Speaker 2: He will stop. He will stop.
[22:54] Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with security, and it's a
[22:57] Speaker 1: different type of way people come up to him. Because
[22:59] Speaker 1: I've seen people come up to people. You gotta have security, okay,
[23:02] Speaker 1: because they just come at you a different way. But
[23:05] Speaker 1: people come up to Magic Johnson with a sense of
[23:08] Speaker 1: reverence like thank you, thank It's almost like a minister,
[23:11] Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, appreciate you, bless you, bless you.
[23:14] Speaker 2: Brother. Keep winning, keep doing this.
[23:16] Speaker 1: And that's the type of thing that you're referencing these individuals,
[23:19] Speaker 1: especially Magic Johnson. This guy can do a masterclass man
[23:23] Speaker 1: and just being humble but successful, being able to understand
[23:28] Speaker 1: the value of relationship partnership. This is Magic Johnson. And
[23:31] Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you this, Ken, I know we're
[23:33] Speaker 1: about to run out of time here, but you know this,
[23:36] Speaker 1: we gotta come back in a couple of more weeks, man,
[23:38] Speaker 1: because we gotta do the energy conversation that we need
[23:42] Speaker 1: to let everybody know that you're involved in and we
[23:45] Speaker 1: gotta let everybody know about personal injury and litigation. I
[23:49] Speaker 1: gotta get your schedule cleared, man, because you came on
[23:51] Speaker 1: this interview a little bit late and I need every
[23:53] Speaker 1: minute with you.
[23:54] Speaker 2: Ken.
[23:56] Speaker 3: Man. I'm ready for it, man, and we can talk
[23:58] Speaker 3: all day about Magic, but I will give Yeah, I
[24:00] Speaker 3: don't know if I have a few seconds, but I
[24:01] Speaker 3: did give this is one secret about Magic jumps. Yes, sir,
[24:05] Speaker 3: this is an exclusive on him. He has a photographic memory.
[24:11] Speaker 3: I believe that is one of his secrets.
[24:13] Speaker 2: Yes, I believe that.
[24:14] Speaker 3: Magic can remember something from ten years ago and give
[24:18] Speaker 3: you details on it.
[24:19] Speaker 1: I believe that. And like I tell, I've seen him
[24:23] Speaker 1: in action too many times. And that's the blessing. And
[24:25] Speaker 1: I always tell this thing to everybody about Magic. John's
[24:28] Speaker 1: Magic Johnson. If he did not drive little basketball, know
[24:31] Speaker 1: this about him. He was going to be an entrepreneur
[24:34] Speaker 1: if he did not drivele little basketball. His goal was
[24:37] Speaker 1: not to be a Hall of Fame basketball player. God
[24:39] Speaker 1: just gave him that talent. His goal was to be
[24:41] Speaker 1: a business man. His goal was because that's the infrastructure
[24:45] Speaker 1: that was built by his parents. Was that started there
[24:48] Speaker 1: in that home and so these are the great things
[24:50] Speaker 1: about it.
[24:51] Speaker 2: But I want to just tell.
[24:52] Speaker 1: You, Attorney Ken Harris, thank you for coming on Money
[24:55] Speaker 1: Making Conversations, masteric class. But I'm about to get with
[24:57] Speaker 1: mcgirl and get you back on the show asap because
[25:01] Speaker 1: your story and.
[25:02] Speaker 2: If you have time.
[25:03] Speaker 1: I want you on my show every quarter because you know,
[25:05] Speaker 1: these big shows have these these these relationship especially with
[25:08] Speaker 1: high profile attorneys that can just drop in and just
[25:11] Speaker 1: talk about politics, talk about the community.
[25:14] Speaker 2: That's you. Can you be that person from my show?
[25:17] Speaker 3: Of course you do anything for you you know that.
[25:20] Speaker 1: Thank you, brother, We're gonna talk soon. This is doctor
[25:22] Speaker 1: this is Attorney Ken Harris and his book Dark Trays
[25:27] Speaker 1: What if the South were that wonder Civil Wars? Check
[25:29] Speaker 1: it out, pick it up, and again, thank you Ken
[25:32] Speaker 1: for coming on my show, money Making Conversation Mastic Class.
[25:35] Speaker 3: Well appreciate it.
[25:37] Speaker 1: We talked soon again. As we always say, as we
[25:40] Speaker 1: close out this show, remember this show has been another
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