# Brand Building: Her firm helps individuals and organizations unlock potential, elevate performance, and lead with purpose, specializing in STEM leadership.

An episode of [Money Making Conversations Master Class](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1264705641), 5 Mar 2026, 32 min.

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Listen and subscribe to Money Making Conversations on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, www.moneymakingconversations.com/subscribe/ or wherever you listen to podcasts. New Money Making Conversations episodes drop daily. I want to alert you, so you don’t miss out on expert analysis and insider perspectives from my guests who provide tips that can help you uplift the community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur. Keep winning! Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Bamidele Farinre Founder of No Ceiling Consulting, a biomedical scientist, STEM expert, agile project manager, and advocate for professional development, mentorship, and removing internal and systemic limitations (“ceilings”). They discuss her STEM background, the evolving role of AI in science, the meaning of “no ceilings,” navigating personal and professional barriers, mentorship, setbacks, agile leadership, and how individuals—especially people of color—can create opportunity even in the face of bias and structural limitations. 🎯 Purpose of the Interview The purpose of having Bamidele on the show was to: 1. Highlight her work at No Ceiling Consulting Her firm helps individuals and organizations unlock potential, elevate performance, and lead with purpose, specializing in STEM leadership, DEI, professional development, and agile project management. 2. Explore the concept of “No Ceilings” She provides a framework for breaking through personal and professional barriers—emphasizing that many “ceilings” are internal, learned, or based on access and systemic issues. 3. Discuss STEM, AI, and the future of work She explains the growing role of automation and AI, how it reshapes STEM roles, and why professionals must upskill, adapt, and embrace professional development. 4. Provide strategies for career advancement Her insights include mentorship, persistence, self‑advocacy, managing setbacks, and adopting agile mindsets. 💡 Key Takeaways 1. STEM + AI = New Opportunities, Not Job Loss Automation and AI enhance efficiency, reduce manual labor, and create new roles—especially in labs and diagnostics. Instead of replacing workers, AI demands that professionals upskill and leverage technology for faster, better outcomes. .txt).txt) 2. “No Ceilings” Means Removing Internal + External Barriers Bamidele distinguishes between: Personal ceilings • Internal doubts • Imposter syndrome • Feeling “not enough” despite capability • Learned perceptions from bias or discouraging environments Professional ceilings • Being overlooked for opportunities • Lack of access to resources (even when resources exist) • Systemic barriers, bias, and limited upward mobility “No ceilings” means operating from a mindset of possibility, not limitation. 3. Mentorship Is the Missing Link in Many Careers Mentorship provides: • Guidance • Access • A blueprint from those who have “been there” • Confidence building She explains that while mentorship is more visible today, access to the right mentorship still matters. 4. Setbacks Are Strategies in Disguise She argues setbacks can redirect you to more aligned paths. Her personal example: • She failed her A‑level science subjects in the UK • A lecturer told her to “rethink her career” • Instead, she re‑enrolled, tried again, and succeeded Setbacks force reassessment, new strategies, and new paths—if you don’t let them define you. 5. Professional Success Requires Initiative and Advocacy She emphasizes: • Don’t wait for opportunities—go after them • Knock on multiple doors • Apply for roles even if you don’t feel 100% ready • Learn from interviews even if you don’t get the job Rushion supports this point with his IBM story: opportunity started when he stopped complaining and clearly shared his goals. 6. Agile Leadership Applies Beyond Technology Agile principles help leaders: • Think quickly…

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Rashan McDonald.
[0:01] Speaker 2: You know I host this weekly Money Making Conversation Master
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[0:32] Speaker 2: If you're a small business owner, entrepreneur, motivational speaker, or
[0:36] Speaker 2: influencer nonprofit, I want you on my show. Now let's
[0:40] Speaker 2: get started. My guest is the founder of No Sealing Consulting.
[0:46] Speaker 2: They have individuals and organizations unlike potential, elevate performers and
[0:51] Speaker 2: lead with purpose. As a startup consultancy, they specialize in
[0:55] Speaker 2: STEM leadership, diversity and inclusion and strategy, professional development and
[1:02] Speaker 2: agile project management. Please welpoon the Money Making Conversations Masterclass.
[1:07] Speaker 2: Bamma DELI for Nried.
[1:10] Speaker 3: Thank you.
[1:11] Speaker 1: How you doing?
[1:12] Speaker 2: I'm doing i'mna say it a couple of times because
[1:14] Speaker 2: you don't have the practice in the room.
[1:15] Speaker 1: Bummade beautiful name.
[1:19] Speaker 3: Where you originally from Nigeria?
[1:22] Speaker 1: Nigeria? And what got you over to America?
[1:26] Speaker 4: Well, see what do you call when parents are looking
[1:29] Speaker 4: for a better future for the children. So are the younger,
[1:33] Speaker 4: very young age. I migrated with my family, my parents
[1:37] Speaker 4: to United Kingdom.
[1:38] Speaker 1: Now hear a.
[1:39] Speaker 2: Little English by way of Nigeria about hearing right or wrong?
[1:46] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, keep it a secret. I need that accent.
[1:51] Speaker 3: I'm no, I'm not letting it out.
[1:54] Speaker 1: Now. STEM. STEM is my degree in mathematics. Let me
[1:58] Speaker 1: just let you know.
[1:59] Speaker 2: So when we start talking to STEM and he's close
[2:01] Speaker 2: to home with me, talk about your your background in
[2:05] Speaker 2: STEM and before we get into your your agency, your
[2:09] Speaker 2: consulting agency.
[2:10] Speaker 4: So my background is STAM. I'm a biomedical scientist. So
[2:14] Speaker 4: I studied biomedical science degree and I mean the pathology
[2:19] Speaker 4: and diagnostics. So if I was to break it down
[2:22] Speaker 4: my background, I work behind the scenes in the hospital
[2:25] Speaker 4: labs to test patient samples, helping doctors to treat our patients.
[2:33] Speaker 2: Now we're in the world of AI. People are afraid
[2:37] Speaker 2: of AI. Do you have these people over here going
[2:40] Speaker 2: man AI is the they ain't the beat now in
[2:43] Speaker 2: your in the STEM world, it's a technical world where
[2:47] Speaker 2: AI lives in breeds talked about the AI components are
[2:52] Speaker 2: components that we'll be able to uplift STEM professions but
[2:58] Speaker 2: also now them in different directions.
[3:02] Speaker 4: Fair enough, that's a very good topic area to actually
[3:06] Speaker 4: speak on because I remember very a few years ago
[3:09] Speaker 4: when I started out, we were having this conversation that
[3:12] Speaker 4: automation is going to take our jobs in the lab.
[3:15] Speaker 4: And it was a right conversation because we're like, once
[3:19] Speaker 4: everything is automated, well we're going to be doing a
[3:21] Speaker 4: scientist in the lab.
[3:23] Speaker 3: But automation help. I'll give you a scenario.
[3:26] Speaker 4: So without automation, when we used to do the manual methods,
[3:30] Speaker 4: it takes us weeks sometimes like months to get results.
[3:35] Speaker 4: And imagine working in a very large hospital where you
[3:38] Speaker 4: need results in a timely manner, where you have like
[3:41] Speaker 4: thousands of patients that you're testing on a daily basis.
[3:44] Speaker 4: You cannot, you know, do that on a manual method.
[3:48] Speaker 4: So automation makes life easier. So that is where AI
[3:52] Speaker 4: is to some extent, is coming in for us in
[3:54] Speaker 4: the automation of the work process that we do, which
[3:58] Speaker 4: means we get faster results, we're able to get to
[4:01] Speaker 4: our patients in a timely manner, and we're able to
[4:03] Speaker 4: present prevent infections.
[4:05] Speaker 3: As you would call.
[4:05] Speaker 2: It, right, I would tell you that I can respond
[4:08] Speaker 2: to that BAMA daily. For instance, my blood tests, I
[4:11] Speaker 2: go in and I'm with Emory, We're based in Atlanta,
[4:16] Speaker 2: and they go to the lab testing and I get
[4:19] Speaker 2: those results back in hours yep, I mean with accurate details.
[4:23] Speaker 2: I'll be going like wow, and the word wow comes
[4:26] Speaker 2: out of my mouth. I go wow, this is quick turnaround.
[4:29] Speaker 2: And so is that an hour related concept that's being implemented.
[4:33] Speaker 3: In the BO You could say that.
[4:35] Speaker 4: You can say that because automation you're programming is programming, right,
[4:39] Speaker 4: So you tell a machine what you wanted to do,
[4:42] Speaker 4: so it's based on data what you've been doing. So
[4:44] Speaker 4: it's based on evidence what we've done manually, and then
[4:48] Speaker 4: you're automating it. You're making you're making it like a
[4:51] Speaker 4: bigger how I would you say scaling? That is the word.
[4:54] Speaker 4: So you could potentially say AI. But if you're thinking
[4:57] Speaker 4: about outside of the lab, going into leadership, talking about
[5:00] Speaker 4: generative AI. Now where a lot of people are utilizing
[5:03] Speaker 4: and some people are still you know, resistant to it
[5:05] Speaker 4: because they're like, what is the point We've been doing
[5:08] Speaker 4: really good with doubt it.
[5:09] Speaker 3: But if you think about it, it's making you work smarter.
[5:14] Speaker 4: Basically, what you would have done that would have taken you,
[5:16] Speaker 4: I don't know hours or days to do.
[5:18] Speaker 3: You're doing it within minutes.
[5:20] Speaker 2: Right, And I think that's important because for my real
[5:23] Speaker 2: you know, as you get older, you want you do
[5:25] Speaker 2: want the new lot fast. Okay, absolutely, you know days
[5:29] Speaker 2: mean something to you, okay, and plus when when you're
[5:33] Speaker 2: dealing with uncertainty and so.
[5:35] Speaker 1: But something you said about.
[5:37] Speaker 2: AI, there's AI also can create new jobs.
[5:44] Speaker 1: Talk to me.
[5:45] Speaker 4: They can certainly create new jobs. And that is why
[5:48] Speaker 4: you got to get on with it. You go to
[5:49] Speaker 4: that's what we call about professional development. You have to
[5:53] Speaker 4: be in it in the sense of you're thinking, AI
[5:57] Speaker 4: is taking my job. No, how can I leverage so
[6:01] Speaker 4: that I'm not left out? That is the way it is.
[6:03] Speaker 4: If you're thinking about our job project management. Now everything
[6:06] Speaker 4: is AI like talk from coding, talk from you know, architecture,
[6:12] Speaker 4: name it, everything that has been done. So you need
[6:14] Speaker 4: to be best positioned to like you take certification, take whatever,
[6:21] Speaker 4: just off scale to make sure that you're not left behind.
[6:24] Speaker 4: So what they say is AI is not taking your jobs,
[6:28] Speaker 4: but those that was in order AI will be left behind.
[6:33] Speaker 3: That's it.
[6:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, my guess is the founder of No Ceiling Consulting.
[6:37] Speaker 2: They have organizations and individuals unlocked potential, elevate performance and
[6:42] Speaker 2: lead with purpose. Now let's talk about unlocking potential. What
[6:47] Speaker 2: do you mean when you say that?
[6:50] Speaker 4: When I say unlocking potential? A lot of us we
[6:53] Speaker 4: have so much in us, but you're thinking where.
[6:57] Speaker 3: Do I start?
[6:59] Speaker 4: You like, I'll give an example, whether you've reached a
[7:03] Speaker 4: place in your career when you're like, what's next. You've
[7:07] Speaker 4: got all the certification, you've got the expertise, you've got
[7:09] Speaker 4: the skills set, and you're like, well, I'm not moving forward,
[7:12] Speaker 4: So how do you unlock your potential? That is where
[7:14] Speaker 4: you come to do what we call reflection. Then you
[7:18] Speaker 4: think what am I good in? What can I do?
[7:22] Speaker 4: So you're helping it's more or less like you put it,
[7:24] Speaker 4: like coaching, where you're letting people to see what their
[7:27] Speaker 4: strengths out. You know, what's the vision? Was it aspiration?
[7:31] Speaker 4: Then you're teasing it out because mainly they have the skills,
[7:33] Speaker 4: but they don't know how to position themselves to get
[7:37] Speaker 4: the opportunities. And so that is what this is what
[7:40] Speaker 4: we do at No Ceiling consulting, helping individuals, helping organizations,
[7:46] Speaker 4: helping communities. And the way it started off is like
[7:50] Speaker 4: for example, mentorship. So we have wont to want to
[7:52] Speaker 4: understand what their issues are. Where is the stumping block,
[7:57] Speaker 4: where is the issue? How can we help? Is it
[8:00] Speaker 4: leveraging your skills? Is it like you need to obscure
[8:03] Speaker 4: what it is the issue? So what I call it
[8:06] Speaker 4: is the root course because if you don't know the
[8:09] Speaker 4: root course of why somebody may feel like stagnated, for example,
[8:14] Speaker 4: you don't know how to actually help them.
[8:17] Speaker 2: Right, it's important that you understand the process because let's
[8:20] Speaker 2: talk about moving over to you know that ceiling. You know,
[8:26] Speaker 2: like I said, my degrees are mad that work for
[8:27] Speaker 2: IBM for two and a half you undergraduate and two
[8:30] Speaker 2: and a half professional and it's a competition. And sometimes
[8:35] Speaker 2: the color of your skin can also make you feel
[8:39] Speaker 2: there is a ceiling out there. But you do see
[8:42] Speaker 2: people despite the color of the skin achieve high level.
[8:45] Speaker 1: Of success as an entrepreneurs in the corporate environment. What
[8:49] Speaker 1: ceiling are you talking about? Probatary?
[8:51] Speaker 4: Oh boy, should we start. There's a lot of ceilings,
[8:56] Speaker 4: some are personal, some are professional.
[8:59] Speaker 1: So much talk about the personal one first.
[9:01] Speaker 4: The personal, Yes, the personal I feel is more internal
[9:06] Speaker 4: like way we have. The mind is the mind because
[9:10] Speaker 4: despart having all the how you say, how well equipped
[9:14] Speaker 4: you are, You've got the credentials, you've got the result,
[9:17] Speaker 4: evidence to show, but you're still thinking I'm not enough.
[9:21] Speaker 4: That's a personal ceiling because you're thinking to yourself, I
[9:26] Speaker 4: can't do it. Whereas you have there's some things internally
[9:29] Speaker 4: that is letting you know that. It's because you've got
[9:31] Speaker 4: to show up more, You've got to prove something. And
[9:34] Speaker 4: there's a reason why that may be the case. You
[9:37] Speaker 4: mentioned about biases, you mentioned about systemic barriers, you know
[9:42] Speaker 4: that could potentially lead to one having that you know,
[9:47] Speaker 4: that ceiling mindset as a you know individually it's because
[9:51] Speaker 4: of things that has happened. For example, maybe somebody looking
[9:55] Speaker 4: for promotion and they keep hitting the world, hitting the world,
[9:59] Speaker 4: if eventually they will feel like maybe it's not for me,
[10:02] Speaker 4: maybe I'm not doing the right thing, And that is
[10:05] Speaker 4: where mentorship comes in.
[10:06] Speaker 2: Right, and so now let's talk about professional you know,
[10:11] Speaker 2: because like I said, you can be work under the job,
[10:14] Speaker 2: get hired, but you may not feel that you can
[10:19] Speaker 2: be given the opportunity to achieve the ultimate levels of
[10:23] Speaker 2: opportunities at that company.
[10:25] Speaker 1: That's professional, correct.
[10:27] Speaker 3: It is talk to us.
[10:28] Speaker 4: The professional one is a very is one that is
[10:33] Speaker 4: very dear to my heart because I think at one
[10:36] Speaker 4: point in our professional life we've all hit that ceiling.
[10:39] Speaker 4: Yes we have, we have where you feel like I'm
[10:42] Speaker 4: ready for the next level. But I think one of
[10:45] Speaker 4: the things that restrict us or stagnate us when it
[10:49] Speaker 4: comes to professional development is access. You may have access,
[10:55] Speaker 4: but you don't have access to access. So let me
[10:59] Speaker 4: explain that there's there's resources are available to you, but
[11:03] Speaker 4: accessing that that resources is another thing. And there are
[11:08] Speaker 4: many things that is our play when it comes to
[11:09] Speaker 4: you being able to you know, access the resources that
[11:13] Speaker 4: is available to you. So when it comes to professional
[11:16] Speaker 4: you know ceilings, there's so many things. Then we talk
[11:20] Speaker 4: about when you're being overlooked for promotion, where opportunities are
[11:24] Speaker 4: there and they're like you're not already, tells.
[11:26] Speaker 3: You I'm not ready.
[11:27] Speaker 4: That's that's the reason why I'm here. I'm ready, you know,
[11:31] Speaker 4: to progress, but you have these systemic barriers in place,
[11:34] Speaker 4: which you know, we can't go into too much details
[11:36] Speaker 4: about that.
[11:37] Speaker 3: You know, just stops you.
[11:39] Speaker 2: Because they're there, you know, like I said, whether you do,
[11:42] Speaker 2: whether you feel they are real or not, it does
[11:46] Speaker 2: go back to personal, you know, in some ways because
[11:50] Speaker 2: of the fact that it's gonna let me know, how
[11:54] Speaker 2: are you with the challenge, how or what effort? Because
[11:58] Speaker 2: I work did that be in Okay, And when I
[12:02] Speaker 2: got there, I would just share this quick store. And
[12:06] Speaker 2: I was hired with two other white dudes. And when
[12:12] Speaker 2: I went into the office with my supervisor, he asked
[12:16] Speaker 2: me what I wanted to do, and I told him
[12:19] Speaker 2: I get back with him. In the meantime, the two
[12:23] Speaker 2: other white guys who hired me, they were just moving
[12:26] Speaker 2: and doing things I was not doing.
[12:29] Speaker 1: And I was just circling with my other black co workers.
[12:32] Speaker 2: Complaining around the water cooler, talking instigate, this ain't right,
[12:39] Speaker 2: this ain't right. Finally I went in and talked to
[12:42] Speaker 2: my supervisor and I said, in a very professional manner,
[12:46] Speaker 2: I wasn't hostile.
[12:47] Speaker 1: I always say.
[12:49] Speaker 2: Something doesn't seem right. They seemed to be getting opportunities
[12:52] Speaker 2: that I'm not getting. He said, well, Resha, He pulled
[12:56] Speaker 2: out my file and he said, I asked you what
[12:59] Speaker 2: you wanted to do at IBM, and you told me
[13:02] Speaker 2: you're gonna get back with me. Well, you have yet
[13:07] Speaker 2: to come back in here, other than right now to
[13:10] Speaker 2: complain about what they're doing, but not what you could
[13:13] Speaker 2: be doing. When I told them what I wanted to do,
[13:18] Speaker 2: my opportunities started happening. Now that's just one side of
[13:23] Speaker 2: the story. But eventually I realized that I be it
[13:27] Speaker 2: wasn't for me, and I resigned, not because it wasn't
[13:30] Speaker 2: a great place, it wasn't for me. Again, that's a
[13:33] Speaker 2: ceiling that I had for me personally. The other ceiling
[13:37] Speaker 2: was that I went in there with no plan, and
[13:40] Speaker 2: there has to be a plan in anything you're doing life, absolutely,
[13:44] Speaker 2: and a lot of people don't understand that. I don't
[13:46] Speaker 2: care if you work in a Chick fil A, I
[13:48] Speaker 2: don't care if you're working as a as a mechanic.
[13:52] Speaker 1: What is your plan other than getting a check? Talk
[13:56] Speaker 1: to me.
[13:57] Speaker 4: I'm so glad you actually touched on that story because
[14:00] Speaker 4: that it resonates. It resonates because I remember my first
[14:05] Speaker 4: approach when I said I wanted to be a mentor.
[14:08] Speaker 4: I didn't know anything about mentorship or you know the
[14:11] Speaker 4: definition of it. But I decided I wasn't going to complain.
[14:15] Speaker 4: I could easily have complained, and the reason was because
[14:18] Speaker 4: I saw a gap. Remember as a saying that says,
[14:21] Speaker 4: if you want to see a change, you start, you
[14:24] Speaker 4: be the change. You be the change. So what I did,
[14:29] Speaker 4: I'm using your example. I don't wait for opportunities. I
[14:33] Speaker 4: always go for it. Even when they say to me no,
[14:36] Speaker 4: I always say, worst case scenario, you're going to say
[14:38] Speaker 4: to me, no, I'm going to go and knock on
[14:40] Speaker 4: another door.
[14:42] Speaker 3: I always do that.
[14:43] Speaker 4: There's some positions in my lifetime, like within my professional space,
[14:48] Speaker 4: that I will go for it, and I'll be laughing
[14:50] Speaker 4: at myself because me, you ain't go. But I still
[14:53] Speaker 4: go for them because sometimes it just lends me in interviews,
[14:57] Speaker 4: and I learned from the interviews because even though I'm
[15:00] Speaker 4: I may not be ready for that position, but it
[15:02] Speaker 4: puts me at an advantage where I'm thinking, Okay, this
[15:06] Speaker 4: is what I need, you know, to improve myself. So
[15:09] Speaker 4: you are right, some people it might be that, and
[15:12] Speaker 4: that's why I said, you need access. If you're in
[15:15] Speaker 4: a place where you can grow, where you can develop
[15:18] Speaker 4: yourself professionally, is up to you. The responsibility is you,
[15:23] Speaker 4: The accountability is on you. You're responsible for your own success.
[15:29] Speaker 2: Now, this is a great conversation because what we're talking
[15:32] Speaker 2: about now is what I say it in my intro
[15:35] Speaker 2: when I said, don't let your friends, family, or coworker
[15:39] Speaker 2: stop you from planning or living your dream. Now, you
[15:44] Speaker 2: could say you want to be an astronaut and somebody
[15:46] Speaker 2: around the corner will tell you, really answer not you,
[15:51] Speaker 2: Or you could say I want to be a sadist
[15:54] Speaker 2: just because they don't know what it's sadist. I always
[15:56] Speaker 2: tell people if you want to be a doctor, don't
[15:58] Speaker 2: go to a mechanic advice Absolutely, and that's where mentorship
[16:02] Speaker 2: comes in. Yes, mentorship allows you to communicate with people
[16:06] Speaker 2: who can share you with quality advice about your dreams
[16:10] Speaker 2: and opportunities.
[16:11] Speaker 3: Absolutely.
[16:12] Speaker 1: What we do a.
[16:13] Speaker 2: Lot of times is we nowadays were just googling everything
[16:17] Speaker 2: you know, YouTube and everything YouTube you But it still
[16:22] Speaker 2: goes back to the fact that we can be dreamers,
[16:27] Speaker 2: and dreamers dreams can become real if you have the
[16:31] Speaker 2: access yes to the right, people who can guide you
[16:35] Speaker 2: because mentorship still.
[16:36] Speaker 1: Is very powerful, correct, it is.
[16:38] Speaker 3: Mentorship is powerful.
[16:40] Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what, Right from an early age,
[16:44] Speaker 4: I think I've been wearing that umbrella of mentorship without knowing.
[16:48] Speaker 4: And when I think about mentorship, I'm thinking somebody that's
[16:53] Speaker 4: worked the journey. They don't have all the answers, but
[16:57] Speaker 4: they've been there, done that. They're able to give you
[17:00] Speaker 4: like a blueprint to work your on unique journey. It
[17:03] Speaker 4: doesn't mean you need to do exactly what they've done.
[17:05] Speaker 4: They're just giving you a starting point. And when it
[17:08] Speaker 4: comes to mentorship, which is lacking in our community, even
[17:11] Speaker 4: though there's a lot of bars about it. Now, I
[17:14] Speaker 4: mean amazingly we're doing well now with mentorship organization level,
[17:18] Speaker 4: individual level, community level mentorship. Now it's you know, it's
[17:23] Speaker 4: more known about we speaking about it. But the issue
[17:26] Speaker 4: is and again access knowing when you need a mentor, Please.
[17:30] Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere.
[17:31] Speaker 5: We'll be right back with more Money Making Conversations master Class.
[17:40] Speaker 5: Welcome back to Money Making Conversation master Class with me
[17:43] Speaker 5: Rashaun McDonald.
[17:45] Speaker 2: Right, let's talk about setbacks now. You said setbacks can't
[17:52] Speaker 2: become strategy.
[17:54] Speaker 1: Now there's a lot of people here that go.
[17:56] Speaker 2: Setback, setback, like Macato, that's sudden this strategy. But I
[18:02] Speaker 2: will tell you this. When I totally out my car,
[18:06] Speaker 2: I rode the bus. I didn't let that setback. I
[18:10] Speaker 2: just and that what strategy is. Now, Ben, I'm gonna
[18:13] Speaker 2: let you speak. I'm gonna just say this about strategy.
[18:16] Speaker 2: Strategy doesn't mean it's convenient. Strategy is that what is
[18:21] Speaker 2: your alternate reason to be successful at the task you're
[18:25] Speaker 2: trying to accomplish. Now, talk about setback. I just share
[18:29] Speaker 2: that because I remember that. I remember my car told
[18:32] Speaker 2: Loud I still had a job to go to. I
[18:34] Speaker 2: had to catch two buses to get to my job,
[18:37] Speaker 2: but I had to get up there early. When I
[18:39] Speaker 2: got to my job, the job wasn't open, so I
[18:42] Speaker 2: had to wait outside to let it open. But that
[18:45] Speaker 2: that's me. That's what I had to do to continue
[18:48] Speaker 2: my dreams. So I tease you about the setback becoming
[18:54] Speaker 2: this what is that strategy associated with it? But it's
[18:56] Speaker 2: important that people should know that if your house burnt down,
[19:01] Speaker 2: that's a setback. But they're alter the reasons. But where
[19:03] Speaker 2: people fail, so a lot of time Bama delli is
[19:06] Speaker 2: that they're trying to get equal results from that setback
[19:11] Speaker 2: and you can't.
[19:12] Speaker 3: You can't talk to me.
[19:13] Speaker 4: You can And when you think about setback, I think
[19:16] Speaker 4: it's a mindset.
[19:17] Speaker 3: You know why. I said that, when you have.
[19:19] Speaker 4: A setback, you're thinking what can I do? Because this
[19:22] Speaker 4: can't stop me. I'll tell you about the first setback
[19:25] Speaker 4: that I had as an individual.
[19:27] Speaker 3: This was when I was in high school.
[19:29] Speaker 4: I wanted to initially actually I wanted to study pharmacy,
[19:32] Speaker 4: but I didn't get the grades that I wanted. So
[19:35] Speaker 4: my first year high school it was I mean high
[19:37] Speaker 4: school in UK, so then we call it a levels.
[19:41] Speaker 3: I felt like.
[19:42] Speaker 4: All the science subjects, including computer science, I failed and
[19:46] Speaker 4: the lecturer told me you don't have the for science.
[19:50] Speaker 4: The lecturer told me you need to rethink your career options.
[19:56] Speaker 4: That was a first setback for a teenager. And hearing that,
[20:01] Speaker 4: what did I do with it? Funny enough, many could
[20:04] Speaker 4: have taken that and be like, yeah, it's true, actually
[20:06] Speaker 4: felt this is it, but they didn't. I didn't do that,
[20:10] Speaker 4: So I tried again. I re enrolled. Okay I did,
[20:14] Speaker 4: I mean, don't don't you say? When it comes to
[20:16] Speaker 4: set back, you're not denying it.
[20:18] Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about.
[20:19] Speaker 3: You're not denying it that set back.
[20:21] Speaker 1: Is there another time, another words, just hearing it.
[20:24] Speaker 2: There are paths. Yes, the path you see may not
[20:29] Speaker 2: be the path for you.
[20:30] Speaker 3: That's right.
[20:31] Speaker 2: And I'm thoroughly enjoying this conversation because it's thought provoking
[20:36] Speaker 2: and because of the fact that we make so many
[20:38] Speaker 2: excuses as while.
[20:40] Speaker 1: We are not where we are at, because we're looking
[20:43] Speaker 1: at only one way to get there.
[20:46] Speaker 3: It's true.
[20:50] Speaker 1: That you know why.
[20:52] Speaker 4: I think sometimes it's cultural, it's upbringing, it's environment, and then,
[21:00] Speaker 4: like I said, as an individual, you need to make
[21:02] Speaker 4: that decision to come out of that thing that is
[21:05] Speaker 4: limiting you. Because when we think about it's easy to complain.
[21:10] Speaker 4: It's so easy. But in your complaining, I mean you
[21:14] Speaker 4: can actually complain. But in your complaint are you looking
[21:17] Speaker 4: for solutions? You have to look for solutions. There has
[21:22] Speaker 4: to be another way. Yes, things might not go the
[21:25] Speaker 4: way you want it. Maybe it's the universary directing you.
[21:28] Speaker 4: Because life is all about risk. You take risks everything
[21:32] Speaker 4: we do. Even coming out of your house, getting into
[21:34] Speaker 4: your car is a.
[21:35] Speaker 3: Risk because you don't know whether you're going to so
[21:38] Speaker 3: it's about that calculated risk. And it is true.
[21:42] Speaker 4: I can understand sometimes why many we may say that
[21:45] Speaker 4: they're making excuses. It's easier for some people than other.
[21:49] Speaker 4: It's about the support system that you have.
[21:51] Speaker 1: It's really key, It really is key. Now, how do
[21:54] Speaker 1: we get in touch with you? Parbadaily?
[21:57] Speaker 3: So I'm on LinkedIn by my name by me.
[22:01] Speaker 1: Now you know you better spell that name now I
[22:03] Speaker 1: want to spell that out.
[22:04] Speaker 4: I'm going to use cottage. So BA is spelled b
[22:09] Speaker 4: A m I d E l e. And my last
[22:14] Speaker 4: name is spelled f a r I n r E
[22:18] Speaker 4: farn ray.
[22:20] Speaker 2: Stem stem stem stem. Like I told you early my
[22:25] Speaker 2: degrees in mathematics. You know, I never you know, like
[22:29] Speaker 2: you hey, I I started out in the civil engineering,
[22:33] Speaker 2: chemical engineering.
[22:34] Speaker 1: You know I failed physics.
[22:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel that that ain't me And I got
[22:42] Speaker 2: my degree in mathematics and my miners in sociology and
[22:46] Speaker 2: so but like I said, that was a setback, but
[22:48] Speaker 2: it didn't stop me because I wasn't I would and
[22:52] Speaker 2: I will tell you about engineering. I thought that was
[22:55] Speaker 2: the degree I should go into to make the most money,
[22:59] Speaker 2: not the degree that was going to make me happy.
[23:02] Speaker 2: Because now when I graduate, graduated with my math degree.
[23:05] Speaker 2: I realized how much respect people have for a math degree,
[23:11] Speaker 2: and I go, oh, okay, I didn't know.
[23:13] Speaker 1: But when I it was interesting.
[23:16] Speaker 2: When I was doing my engineering courses in college, I
[23:20] Speaker 2: wasn't having fun. I was just going to them and
[23:23] Speaker 2: trying to compete, trying to understand. I did math. I
[23:27] Speaker 2: did care one, two and three without a book. Wow, okay,
[23:32] Speaker 2: And that wasn't even what I was supposed to be
[23:34] Speaker 2: doing because I thought I was going.
[23:36] Speaker 1: To be an engineer.
[23:37] Speaker 2: So that goes back what we were saying that if
[23:41] Speaker 2: it was a setback in physics, it caused me to
[23:44] Speaker 2: have a new strategy that maybe that wasn't my course.
[23:48] Speaker 2: I slide over the math one two three, Boom, I
[23:52] Speaker 2: don't even have a book, and eventually, you know, graduate
[23:56] Speaker 2: with a degree in mathematics. So that's what this conversation
[24:00] Speaker 2: really is centering on, not only just you as a brand,
[24:03] Speaker 2: but you as a person that understands it. They're no
[24:06] Speaker 2: ceilings now. Faith plays a role in your life. Talk
[24:10] Speaker 2: to us about that.
[24:11] Speaker 4: I can categorically say to you, Grace carried me to
[24:15] Speaker 4: where I am today. There comes times where even the
[24:19] Speaker 4: noise your family. They can't really understand, especially when you
[24:23] Speaker 4: have momental rejections of setback. There's something in you. You
[24:28] Speaker 4: can put it to words. That is when I go,
[24:30] Speaker 4: I go into my closet, I speak to my God.
[24:34] Speaker 4: You know, I have a conversation. Look, things are not
[24:37] Speaker 4: going the way I plan. And you already told me
[24:39] Speaker 4: everything works together for my goods.
[24:42] Speaker 3: You, Oh my God.
[24:43] Speaker 4: Yes, I have conversations. I love it. I'm friendly in
[24:46] Speaker 4: love it talks back because it's just laughing. He's thinking,
[24:50] Speaker 4: look at this one. Only if you know what I
[24:52] Speaker 4: have planned for you. And you know what I can say.
[24:55] Speaker 4: My life is a living testimony because for every step,
[24:59] Speaker 4: every setback, I've come back like you know, when you
[25:02] Speaker 4: come back, well, you know stronger.
[25:04] Speaker 2: I always tell people, you know, because a lot of
[25:06] Speaker 2: people use faith to make a lot of decisions on
[25:10] Speaker 2: and I respect that. But when you you can't tie
[25:13] Speaker 2: faith in business, you better have that business plan then
[25:17] Speaker 2: you can tie it all together. But just shows up
[25:19] Speaker 2: out there on faith, then it's gonna be a lot
[25:22] Speaker 2: of a lot of consequences that you didn't justiciate. Now
[25:24] Speaker 2: you're putting all that pressure on God and.
[25:31] Speaker 1: Pray work come at.
[25:36] Speaker 2: But again, you know in our conversation you have another
[25:40] Speaker 2: called BAMS.
[25:41] Speaker 1: You found that BAMS B A. M. S. Spleet explain
[25:45] Speaker 1: to us. And then it's association with no ceiling.
[25:49] Speaker 3: You see the BAMS. Really it's about me.
[25:53] Speaker 4: The BOMBS is man, they said, you know, whatever they
[25:56] Speaker 4: want to call it, BAMBS is as an individual, you know,
[25:59] Speaker 4: it's personal. But when it comes to the no ceiling,
[26:03] Speaker 4: the no ceiling is because in conversations I've been having
[26:06] Speaker 4: over the years, you keep hearing, especially within the professional space,
[26:10] Speaker 4: or we're breaking ceilings and I'm like, why we which
[26:14] Speaker 4: ceilings are we breaking? Even then it didn't click in
[26:17] Speaker 4: my mind because we speak about breaking barriers, but barriers
[26:20] Speaker 4: is the same, you can say the same as a ceiling,
[26:23] Speaker 4: because ceiling, like we're looking up now, you can't you can't.
[26:26] Speaker 3: Go beyond that, right right, right? You can go?
[26:29] Speaker 4: So and then consistently breaking ceiling is I said, it's tiring, right,
[26:36] Speaker 4: So I said, so, I was thinking, why do we
[26:38] Speaker 4: even have a ceiling in the first place? So what
[26:40] Speaker 4: we what we construt as a ceiling? Can we can
[26:44] Speaker 4: we do without it?
[26:45] Speaker 1: Right? Right? So?
[26:47] Speaker 4: Well, and you know ceiling is resistance ceiling is like
[26:51] Speaker 4: an opposition. Ceiling is like stagnancy, you know, something like
[26:56] Speaker 4: an obstacle that is stopping you for So say no ceiling.
[27:01] Speaker 3: Let's operate in a world where we don't see the ceiling.
[27:04] Speaker 4: We see like possibilities, opportunlar opportunities.
[27:08] Speaker 1: You know. I love that.
[27:09] Speaker 2: I love that because of the fact that you know,
[27:15] Speaker 2: we do live you know, you know, I grew up
[27:18] Speaker 2: in a black neighborhood, and you watch television, there's stereotypes.
[27:22] Speaker 1: Those are ceilings.
[27:24] Speaker 2: Yes, you know, you know I always consider a welfare
[27:28] Speaker 2: that's a ceiling, you know, living a lifestyle, growing up
[27:31] Speaker 2: in a a in a black neighborhood, it's a ceiling culture,
[27:35] Speaker 2: you know.
[27:36] Speaker 1: And so it's how you look at that.
[27:41] Speaker 2: And I look at my life. You know, I dealt
[27:45] Speaker 2: with all the ceiling. I wasn't no welfare with my family.
[27:48] Speaker 2: My father worked, he was a truck driver, and my
[27:50] Speaker 2: mom raised us with six sisters, two brothers. But I
[27:54] Speaker 2: do know that my number one goal was the neighborhood
[27:59] Speaker 2: I live in. It wasn't the neighborhood I was going
[28:01] Speaker 2: to die, Okay. And with that being said, it was
[28:06] Speaker 2: important for people to understand that the values that I
[28:09] Speaker 2: got were all from people that saw something in me
[28:13] Speaker 2: that I didn't see in myself. Mentorship, yes, okay, so
[28:17] Speaker 2: let's start putting this together. So I said, I wasn't
[28:21] Speaker 2: going to die in the neighborhood that I grew up in.
[28:24] Speaker 2: That's a ceiling that I removed. We talked about mentorship.
[28:29] Speaker 2: Two ladies in high school, Linda Trailer, my biology teacher,
[28:33] Speaker 2: Georgia Nelson, my math teacher, were the two people that
[28:36] Speaker 2: saw things in me I didn't see. By the way,
[28:38] Speaker 2: Georgia Nelson, math teacher. Okay, I got a degree in
[28:43] Speaker 2: math and didn't like her class at all, but she
[28:49] Speaker 2: was always saying, you are special, you unique, and so
[28:54] Speaker 2: it took me seven years to graduate.
[28:57] Speaker 1: That's a setback.
[29:00] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[29:01] Speaker 1: But the strategy is.
[29:02] Speaker 2: I venture got my degree, and so when I look
[29:05] Speaker 2: at you and I think about you being a certified
[29:08] Speaker 2: agile project manager, how do agile principles apply beyond technology
[29:14] Speaker 2: and how do you use it in leadership?
[29:18] Speaker 3: A j'all. The word says it itself. Speed.
[29:23] Speaker 4: You're thinking on your feet, you're thinking possibility, you're thinking opportunities.
[29:27] Speaker 4: Like you said, how do I use in leadership? You
[29:31] Speaker 4: don't see barriers. You see what can we make of
[29:36] Speaker 4: this barrier? In leadership, when you think about AJIA, you're
[29:41] Speaker 4: thinking about self managing, accountability, collaboration. When we're speaking about
[29:48] Speaker 4: your principles, that is what it's all about. And when
[29:50] Speaker 4: and serven leadership. Servin leadership is key because as a leader,
[29:55] Speaker 4: you need to serve in your serving your building, leader,
[30:00] Speaker 4: in your serving your your team.
[30:03] Speaker 3: They see what is possible.
[30:06] Speaker 4: So when you're thinking our jib again, you're thinking self managing.
[30:12] Speaker 4: You know, you you make people to be able to.
[30:14] Speaker 3: Believe in themselves. You don't.
[30:17] Speaker 4: So that's where like when it comes to delegation, you
[30:20] Speaker 4: don't micromanage. When it comes to you know, your team
[30:23] Speaker 4: and individuals within your team. The transition for me because
[30:28] Speaker 4: remember I'm a scientist. Yeah, then transitioning into tech our
[30:34] Speaker 4: job project management, I found that there way similar. How
[30:39] Speaker 4: do you say, uh, what is the word I'm looking for? Terminologies?
[30:46] Speaker 4: We speak the same language, but we use different Oh
[30:51] Speaker 4: what is the word I'm looking for? Like, you know,
[30:54] Speaker 4: doing the same thing differently, because when we when we
[30:59] Speaker 4: speak about our JIB, you're thinking about something that is done.
[31:03] Speaker 4: You have a minimum viable product, Like there was so
[31:06] Speaker 4: you're not waiting until you get you You plan everything.
[31:10] Speaker 4: You're consistently reflecting, You're consistently thinking how can we improve?
[31:15] Speaker 4: That is that is what we call when we speak
[31:17] Speaker 4: about our jib so and in this world, isn't he needed?
[31:22] Speaker 3: Is needed?
[31:23] Speaker 4: If something feels you're thinking, Okay, what do we do next?
[31:25] Speaker 4: How do we move from here? You know what is
[31:27] Speaker 4: the next? What is the next things for us to
[31:30] Speaker 4: work on?
[31:30] Speaker 2: So, yeah, she's created no ceilings, a philosophy that when
[31:35] Speaker 2: I look back on, that's what I've lived by my
[31:37] Speaker 2: entire life. And I want to thank you for coming
[31:40] Speaker 2: on Money Making Conversations master Class.
[31:42] Speaker 3: Thank you for having for Thank you for having me.
[31:46] Speaker 1: GF are you okay?
[31:52] Speaker 2: Here we are?
[31:54] Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
[31:56] Speaker 5: This has been Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashaan MC.
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