# Uplift: He highlights the importance of mental health and wellness, in elite sports, and entrepreneurial spaces.

An episode of [Money Making Conversations Master Class](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1264705641), 5 Dec 2025, 39 min.

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Listen and subscribe to Money Making Conversations on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, www.moneymakingconversations.com/subscribe/ or wherever you listen to podcasts. New Money Making Conversations episodes drop daily. I want to alert you, so you don’t miss out on expert analysis and insider perspectives from my guests who provide tips that can help you uplift the community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur. Keep winning! Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Dr. Kurt Jones. Purpose of the Interview The conversation aims to highlight the importance of mental health and wellness, particularly in the Black community, elite sports, and entrepreneurial spaces. It focuses on mental resilience, confidence building, and strategies for handling stress and setbacks, while introducing Dr. Jones’ methodology and his mission through Play 21 Wellness Academy. Key Takeaways • Mental Health in the Black Community • Historically stigmatized; seen as weakness or negativity. • Today, awareness is improving, but significant work remains. • Customized Approach • Dr. Jones does individualized analysis and treatment plans for athletes and business professionals. • Rejects “cookie-cutter” solutions—tailors strategies to personal circumstances. • The Shelving Method • A mental organization system with four shelves: • Immediate Shelf: Urgent tasks within 24 hours. • Active Shelf: Important but less urgent tasks. • Holding Shelf: Items to revisit later. • Elimination Shelf: Thoughts/tasks to discard permanently. • Helps clients focus on the present and avoid dwelling on past mistakes. • Confidence & Setbacks • Confidence can collapse after major losses or failures. • Strategy: Remind clients of their greatness, review past successes, and rebuild momentum. • Consistency and adaptability are key to sustaining success. • Play 21 Wellness Academy • Founded in memory of Ben Wilson, a top basketball player and Dr. Jones’ best friend. • Mission: Support youth athletes, address issues like parent/teacher abuse, and provide mental health resources. • Operates as both a nonprofit and for-profit entity. • Broader Client Base • Works with elite athletes, entrepreneurs, and high-level professionals. • Mental clarity and emotional control are critical for success in any field. • Health & Balance • Encourages regular medical checkups, stress management, and work-life balance. • Advocates for self-reward and stepping out of comfort zones while maintaining wellness. • Upcoming Projects • Book: Chi-Town Blueprints (personal story and mental resilience). • Workbook on the Shelving Method for schools, universities, and professionals. Notable Quotes • On Mental Health Stigma: “When people talked about mental health, the first thought was negative.” • On Focus: “You can’t take the last play to the next play.” • On Success: “Mental thinking is a huge part of success.” • On Confidence: “Remind yourself of what got you to the point where you were winning.” • On Consistency: “You’ve never seen a Brinks truck behind a funeral car—the graveyard is the richest place because people die with million-dollar dreams.” • On Purpose: “Walk in your purpose. When you walk in your purpose, there’s no stopping you.” #SHMS #STRAW #BEST #AMI Money Making Conversations Master Class with Rushion McDonald is America's premier entrepreneurship, business leadership, financial literacy, and wealth-building podcast featuring successful entrepreneurs, executives, founders, celebrities, and industry experts sharing actionable insights for professional and financial success. Business Podcast Entrepreneurship Small Business Business Growth Financial Literacy Wealth Building Black Entrepreneurs Minority Business Leadership Executive Leadership Business Funding Marketing Strategies Personal Development…

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Hi.
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[0:29] Speaker 2: now let's get started. My guest is a sports psychologist.
[0:33] Speaker 2: He's a specialist, former professional basketball player, and co founder
[0:37] Speaker 2: of Play twenty one Wellness Academy in Dlut, Georgia, that's
[0:41] Speaker 2: right outside of Atlanta. He is wildly recognized for his
[0:44] Speaker 2: work with elite and professional athletes, including the world champions,
[0:48] Speaker 2: NFL standouts, and top collegiate performers, helping them improve through
[0:53] Speaker 2: mental clarity, emotional control, and peak performers under pressure. Please
[0:59] Speaker 2: welcome to Money Making Conversation Master Class, Doctor Kurk Jones.
[1:03] Speaker 1: That's a lot, Doctor Kurk and the era we live today.
[1:07] Speaker 2: You're a black person, let's start here in the black
[1:09] Speaker 2: community mental health. You in mental health before it became
[1:17] Speaker 2: a conversational piece, talk about why mental health has always
[1:20] Speaker 2: been a bad words are bad words in the black community.
[1:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for that question. And it has always
[1:27] Speaker 3: had a bad reputation when people you know refer to
[1:31] Speaker 3: you know, your mental health, because they always looked at
[1:33] Speaker 3: us a bad thing. They always said, you know, if
[1:37] Speaker 3: a person talked about they wasn't well, the first thing
[1:41] Speaker 3: was a negative through negative connotation and they put it
[1:44] Speaker 3: in a negative category. So today it's used a lot.
[1:49] Speaker 3: It's used a lot, and the good thing that they
[1:53] Speaker 3: put the spotlight on it is it brings attention to
[1:58] Speaker 3: you know, wellness and mental health and things of sort.
[2:01] Speaker 3: Before our community. Uh, there's a lot of work that
[2:04] Speaker 3: needs to be done, and I'm proud to say that
[2:07] Speaker 3: I'm working in our community to try and bring a
[2:09] Speaker 3: lot of those things to the spotlight.
[2:11] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:11] Speaker 2: You know, being a black person and a person who's
[2:15] Speaker 2: been very competitive, my daughter was a high end athlete,
[2:19] Speaker 2: you know, and had to deal with the stress from
[2:23] Speaker 2: the parents performance level she was in tennis, so it
[2:27] Speaker 2: was a very when the team work. You don't have
[2:29] Speaker 2: teamwork when you're playing tennis, you know, football, you have teamwork.
[2:32] Speaker 2: Soccer you have teamwork. You know baseball team work. We're
[2:36] Speaker 2: out there with a solo sport. What do you specialize
[2:38] Speaker 2: when it comes to the mindset of a professional or.
[2:42] Speaker 1: Collegiate or high school athlete. So that's a great question.
[2:46] Speaker 3: How do I differentiate those aspects of an athlete? So
[2:52] Speaker 3: I do an analysis on most of my athletes, whether
[2:56] Speaker 3: or not there or college, uh, you know, to become
[2:59] Speaker 3: a potential or you know they're about to be chosen
[3:02] Speaker 3: for draft as opposed to my pros. So what I
[3:04] Speaker 3: would do is I would sit down and I would
[3:07] Speaker 3: do a full phase, a full flask analysis on the athlete.
[3:11] Speaker 3: And then what I would do I would come up
[3:13] Speaker 3: with an individual plan treatment plan for those individuals to
[3:20] Speaker 3: engage in, and I would talk about some of the
[3:23] Speaker 3: things that I think we need to pinpoint as I
[3:26] Speaker 3: try to help my athletes. Like if most college athletes
[3:30] Speaker 3: deal with processing, right, Like, take a football player, you know,
[3:37] Speaker 3: his time to process to play from.
[3:40] Speaker 1: The hip, you know, to being sacked.
[3:43] Speaker 3: He has to process to feel and so his focus
[3:47] Speaker 3: generally is on the last play that didn't go according
[3:51] Speaker 3: to how he wanted it to go. So what I
[3:53] Speaker 3: try to do, try to get them to focus on
[3:56] Speaker 3: is what's happening on the next play, what's happening now?
[3:59] Speaker 3: And I have an it's something that I'm going to
[4:01] Speaker 3: mention to you. I have a methodology that I have
[4:03] Speaker 3: all my athletes using this called the Shelvy method right. Well,
[4:07] Speaker 3: helped athletes focus on what's more important for them now
[4:12] Speaker 3: you know how to get rid of thoughts. And it's
[4:15] Speaker 3: working for all of my athletes.
[4:17] Speaker 2: You know, we I met you at the event John
[4:20] Speaker 2: O'Brien event, steven A. Smith and I was at this
[4:23] Speaker 2: event and we started talking and my whole format is entrepreneurship,
[4:28] Speaker 2: small business. But I felt that what you talk about
[4:31] Speaker 2: we deal with on a regular basis because it's a
[4:34] Speaker 2: competitive business. You know, we're always on the stress because
[4:39] Speaker 2: we are not employed by anybody. So how does that
[4:42] Speaker 2: relate or do you have clients in this small or
[4:45] Speaker 2: entrepreneur or the corporate space that are non athletes or
[4:49] Speaker 2: you're one athlete only.
[4:51] Speaker 3: No. I deal with businesses. Some of my top clients
[4:55] Speaker 3: are some of their multimillion dollar businesses in regards to
[4:58] Speaker 3: helping them deal with their focus and how to get
[5:02] Speaker 3: their you know, mental thinking up the part. I always
[5:06] Speaker 3: say the mental thinking is a huge part of successes, right,
[5:10] Speaker 3: and so I deal with everything from and I'll just
[5:14] Speaker 3: tell you even Tony Roberts and I sat down and
[5:18] Speaker 3: we had a conversation and he said to me, he said,
[5:21] Speaker 3: you know, doctor Jones, I don't have you know, the
[5:24] Speaker 3: accolades that you've had, but I have a huge platform,
[5:27] Speaker 3: and I would love for us to you know, do
[5:29] Speaker 3: some work together. So you know, he and I, you know,
[5:31] Speaker 3: we've been speaking on you know, how we can you know,
[5:35] Speaker 3: kind of talk about diversity, diversifying his business and and
[5:39] Speaker 3: focus on you know, how he can get the mental
[5:42] Speaker 3: wellness to a point where he sees it helping being
[5:46] Speaker 3: more beneficial for the.
[5:47] Speaker 1: Things that he do.
[5:48] Speaker 3: So to answer your question, I help various businesses, small businesses,
[5:53] Speaker 3: large businesses. I have a situation now that I am
[5:57] Speaker 3: helping out an individual or if you've heard of what
[6:01] Speaker 3: occurred in the news with the pipe bomb, so you
[6:05] Speaker 3: know that situation. The father is a friend of mine,
[6:10] Speaker 3: and so I'm trying to you know, help him, of
[6:12] Speaker 3: course decipher through some of those problems that occurred with
[6:17] Speaker 3: that because of course, the.
[6:18] Speaker 1: Studia that's coming to him through his son's actions.
[6:21] Speaker 3: Absolutely, And that's one of the things that I wanted
[6:24] Speaker 3: us to talk about it a little bit because the
[6:25] Speaker 3: way that the media generally highlight situations like that, they
[6:32] Speaker 3: put a whole negative spin on it, you know, and
[6:34] Speaker 3: you know as a father that you can do all
[6:37] Speaker 3: you can positively, you know, grow a business and put
[6:40] Speaker 3: your kids in business, and put even you know, employees
[6:43] Speaker 3: in businesses, and it doesn't turn out for them the
[6:46] Speaker 3: way that you expected it to become. And sometimes it
[6:49] Speaker 3: can affect you because right because you know, when they're
[6:53] Speaker 3: trying to spend a story, they're not just trying to
[6:55] Speaker 3: highlight the kid, but where the person came from, right.
[6:59] Speaker 2: Or they like that they are danger to society, or
[7:02] Speaker 2: they are good neighbors.
[7:04] Speaker 1: I trust them.
[7:05] Speaker 2: The coworkers where they running the business, everything that their
[7:09] Speaker 2: church members, everything becomes.
[7:10] Speaker 1: On the high level scrutiny. And we're talking about the young.
[7:14] Speaker 2: Man who had the bombs that he set aside where
[7:17] Speaker 2: he thought the at least I read, thought the twenty
[7:20] Speaker 2: twenty election was a hoax, it was a fraud, and
[7:23] Speaker 2: he was trying to do somebody, and then he dropped
[7:26] Speaker 2: off a couple of bombs in twenty twenty one, they
[7:29] Speaker 2: tracked him down just having to be an African American
[7:32] Speaker 2: and so is, which is again a lot of stereotypes
[7:35] Speaker 2: lead you to say that's not normal in the African
[7:38] Speaker 2: American community, But we don't know what is normal nowadays.
[7:41] Speaker 2: But doctor Kirtchalls, something you said early on was that
[7:44] Speaker 2: that I really appreciate is that you don't cookie cut
[7:47] Speaker 2: your relationships with your clients.
[7:49] Speaker 1: Thank you for noticing it.
[7:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, you treat them in it and that's important because
[7:53] Speaker 2: lots of people try to feel put everybody in a box. Females, age,
[7:59] Speaker 2: you know, race, this is how they are, this is
[8:03] Speaker 2: how they grow up. Why did you and why are
[8:06] Speaker 2: you doing such detailed work like that?
[8:09] Speaker 1: Well, I think it was my calling.
[8:13] Speaker 3: And one of the things that I often tell people
[8:16] Speaker 3: is that when it comes to dealing with these sports
[8:20] Speaker 3: and athletes, I deal with elite athletes, and the elite
[8:24] Speaker 3: athletes are those who sometimes they don't feel like they
[8:27] Speaker 3: need you until there's a problem in their lives. So
[8:32] Speaker 3: imagine being an elite athlete and the and the thoughts
[8:35] Speaker 3: of which you think about every day. I'm the best,
[8:38] Speaker 3: right and you have to think that way in order
[8:40] Speaker 3: to be the best. I'm the best, and then all
[8:43] Speaker 3: of a sudden you're you're struggling with some things in
[8:46] Speaker 3: your life. Right, So it takes a prideful person to
[8:49] Speaker 3: be able to come to someone like me and say, Doc,
[8:52] Speaker 3: I need your help. And so I'm not gonna I'm
[8:55] Speaker 3: not gonna sit here and I'm not going to sugarcoat
[8:58] Speaker 3: what we need to do for you, because you know,
[9:00] Speaker 3: some of the issues that they bring to the table
[9:03] Speaker 3: are some of the issues that I think that they
[9:05] Speaker 3: need to be told. This is what you have to
[9:07] Speaker 3: do to get rid of at it, and sometimes there's
[9:10] Speaker 3: some tough decisions, but it's something that I have to do.
[9:13] Speaker 1: Well.
[9:13] Speaker 2: You know, I'm talking to doctor Kirk Jones. You co
[9:16] Speaker 2: found a Play twenty one Wellness Academy. Now that's based
[9:20] Speaker 2: down in the Atlanta area and Dilute, Georgia. So what
[9:23] Speaker 2: exactly is Play twenty one Wellness Academy.
[9:26] Speaker 1: That's a great question.
[9:27] Speaker 3: So the way that Play twenty one was organized came
[9:32] Speaker 3: from my background. Okay, I'm a kid of Chicago and
[9:37] Speaker 3: at an early age I lost my best friend who
[9:40] Speaker 3: was the number one basketball player in America, Ben Wilson.
[9:43] Speaker 3: It's you know, a highly recognized individual. And from that
[9:46] Speaker 3: time when he lost his life, I really was struggling
[9:54] Speaker 3: at the time, at the early age, and we always
[9:57] Speaker 3: played when he was alive, we always played the basketball
[9:59] Speaker 3: game of twenty one. Okay, So with that, when he
[10:04] Speaker 3: actually got shot and he died and it was such
[10:06] Speaker 3: a huge story, I really didn't have anyone who put
[10:10] Speaker 3: their arms around me. I found myself death right well,
[10:13] Speaker 3: it wasn't a game related death. It was a it
[10:15] Speaker 3: was a death of wrong place at the wrong time.
[10:20] Speaker 3: I would say. He he was with his girlfriend at
[10:25] Speaker 3: the time, and he was in the story. And there
[10:26] Speaker 3: was a couple of stories out there, and I have
[10:29] Speaker 3: to I have to go with the one that I
[10:31] Speaker 3: was told because Jatan was his girlfriend at the time,
[10:34] Speaker 3: and Jatan and my girlfriend they were best friends, and
[10:37] Speaker 3: he and I were best friends, and what she told me,
[10:41] Speaker 3: I have to go with. And that's a totally different
[10:43] Speaker 3: story that was documented in our twenty fourteen a documentary
[10:47] Speaker 3: which I'm in. But since his death, I was wrapping
[10:55] Speaker 3: my arms around a lot of people because a lot
[10:57] Speaker 3: of people struggled with his death, and I was finding
[11:00] Speaker 3: strength within helping people. So as I matriculated through life.
[11:07] Speaker 3: I found that helping individuals would be a way that
[11:11] Speaker 3: I can kind of relieve my grief from his death.
[11:14] Speaker 3: And so our form Play twenty one, and the whole
[11:18] Speaker 3: infrastructure behind Play twenty one is that we wanted to
[11:21] Speaker 3: go out and help youth athletes. There's a story that's
[11:27] Speaker 3: being told right now in regards to parent abuse and
[11:31] Speaker 3: teacher abuse, which we're trying to put.
[11:33] Speaker 1: A spotlight on.
[11:34] Speaker 3: And if you look at a lot of the social media,
[11:37] Speaker 3: you'll notice that there's a lot of students that's putting
[11:40] Speaker 3: their hands on teachers, a lot of children that's putting
[11:43] Speaker 3: their hands on their parents. So Play twenty one was
[11:46] Speaker 3: designed to not only bring these issues to a spotlight,
[11:50] Speaker 3: but to give them a segue so that they can
[11:54] Speaker 3: get relief and some help through support groups and things
[11:57] Speaker 3: of sort. That's what Play twenty one it's all about.
[12:00] Speaker 3: We have a profit in it as well as a
[12:02] Speaker 3: non problem.
[12:02] Speaker 1: It's really interesting.
[12:03] Speaker 2: I know, when I was in elementary, I lost a
[12:06] Speaker 2: friend of mine, uh uh, suffocated on a balloon, you know,
[12:12] Speaker 2: and and I always remembered, even to this day, I
[12:14] Speaker 2: remember that death, you know, death is really can have
[12:19] Speaker 2: an impact of it, especially young people.
[12:21] Speaker 1: Because we have no outlets.
[12:22] Speaker 2: We don't have we can't go to work, you know,
[12:24] Speaker 2: we don't have any you know, we just could be
[12:26] Speaker 2: bottled up to that, to that one moment, you know,
[12:29] Speaker 2: and the fact that that still stays in your life.
[12:32] Speaker 2: And so we talk about high level athletes. Confidence can
[12:36] Speaker 2: be shattered. Like they always say you if you watch sports,
[12:38] Speaker 2: they tell you forget to forget the touchdown, your thrown
[12:41] Speaker 2: and forget the interception or the farm more you just made.
[12:45] Speaker 1: Move on to the next play.
[12:46] Speaker 2: And life is kind of like that too, moving on
[12:49] Speaker 2: to the next play, moving on to the next moment,
[12:51] Speaker 2: the next relationships, the next deal. How do you talk
[12:54] Speaker 2: about that when you're talking to your clients.
[12:56] Speaker 1: Well, that's a great question.
[12:57] Speaker 3: And again I take you back to my shelve and
[13:00] Speaker 3: methodology that I've instituted and focuses on. So just to
[13:06] Speaker 3: give you a brief overall on what it really talks about.
[13:09] Speaker 3: There are four shelves. Like imagine having the shelf in
[13:12] Speaker 3: front of you where you place your items on.
[13:15] Speaker 1: Right, So there's a four shelf.
[13:16] Speaker 3: There's four shelves, and so there's the immediate shelf, right,
[13:19] Speaker 3: there's the active shelf. Right, there's the holding shelf, and
[13:23] Speaker 3: there's the elimination shelf.
[13:25] Speaker 1: Right.
[13:25] Speaker 3: So on the immediate shelf, what you place is what
[13:28] Speaker 3: you need to get done within the next twenty four hours,
[13:31] Speaker 3: what's more urgent than anything else that you think that matters, right.
[13:36] Speaker 3: And so then you have, of course your active shelf,
[13:39] Speaker 3: which is something that's urgent but it can be put
[13:41] Speaker 3: off just a little bit, right. And then we have
[13:44] Speaker 3: our holding shelf, which we want to hold things on
[13:48] Speaker 3: and decide what we want to do. Do we want
[13:50] Speaker 3: to go back to those things, right or do we
[13:52] Speaker 3: just kind of want to just push them in the back.
[13:54] Speaker 3: Then we have the total elimination shelf, which is a
[13:57] Speaker 3: very important shelf because a lot of people hold on
[14:00] Speaker 3: to a lot of thoughts that do not They don't
[14:02] Speaker 3: understand how we can put this on the elimination shelf
[14:06] Speaker 3: and never get back to those thoughts. And once I
[14:08] Speaker 3: help athletes kind of see what shelf that they thought
[14:12] Speaker 3: should be processed on, it helps them focus. It's like
[14:16] Speaker 3: the last play occurred, you can't do anything about that.
[14:19] Speaker 3: You can't take the last play to the next play
[14:21] Speaker 3: because if you if you're sitting there thinking about what occurred,
[14:24] Speaker 3: it didn't go your way, then you're going to be
[14:26] Speaker 3: in the tail spain and then you're not going to
[14:28] Speaker 3: be able to accomplish the goal that you're set forth
[14:30] Speaker 3: to be out here doing.
[14:32] Speaker 1: And that's important.
[14:33] Speaker 2: Goals are important in this process as well, Coase it
[14:35] Speaker 2: is how do you help people set their goals?
[14:38] Speaker 3: So goals have what I call steps to setting goals.
[14:45] Speaker 3: As you know, there's the planning, you know, there's the
[14:51] Speaker 3: there's the execution part of the goal, and then there
[14:55] Speaker 3: is the the actually once you reach the goal, how
[14:58] Speaker 3: do you sustain the goal? So I talked to I
[15:01] Speaker 3: talk to people about their purpose right, walking in your purpose,
[15:05] Speaker 3: walking in your power, because when you walk in your
[15:08] Speaker 3: purpose right, there's no stopping, there's no denying you like,
[15:13] Speaker 3: you can do a lot of different things. But if
[15:16] Speaker 3: it's not your purpose in which you set your goals for,
[15:20] Speaker 3: then sometimes they're going to be obstacles and to reach
[15:22] Speaker 3: your goals. A lot of times it's going to be roadblocks.
[15:24] Speaker 3: As you know, you know they're going to be roadblocks.
[15:27] Speaker 3: And I talked to people a lot about you know,
[15:29] Speaker 3: those roadblocks are learning blocks and you know, don't ever
[15:33] Speaker 3: look at anything that doesn't occur the way you want
[15:36] Speaker 3: it to go as a negative thing, look at it
[15:38] Speaker 3: as a learning experience and find out you know how
[15:42] Speaker 3: you can process this and put this in your purpose
[15:44] Speaker 3: to reach your goals.
[15:46] Speaker 1: Please don't go anywhere.
[15:47] Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more Money Making Conversations master Class.
[15:56] Speaker 2: Welcome back to Money Making Conversation master Class with me
[15:58] Speaker 2: Rashaun McDonald. I'm talking to the doctor Kurt Jones, found
[16:03] Speaker 2: the co founder of Play twenty one Wellness Academy. Let's
[16:06] Speaker 2: talk about rebuilding your confidence after a major setback.
[16:10] Speaker 1: That's part of life.
[16:11] Speaker 2: And that major setback can be defined in a relationship,
[16:14] Speaker 2: can be defined in the death, can be defined in
[16:16] Speaker 2: a business catastrophe or business closing, or an order not
[16:21] Speaker 2: coming in on time that could be a major catastrophe,
[16:23] Speaker 2: or a robbery or security breach. All these a major
[16:27] Speaker 2: in the athlete injury. All these things are not winning
[16:31] Speaker 2: the championship that you thought you had in the bag.
[16:35] Speaker 2: And so these are major setbacks we have to deal
[16:38] Speaker 2: with on a regular basis. And some can be as
[16:40] Speaker 2: trivial us not showing off to work on time and
[16:43] Speaker 2: all your alarm clock can not going off.
[16:45] Speaker 1: These are triggers I call them triggers.
[16:48] Speaker 2: So when you're dealing with these triggers, that can become
[16:51] Speaker 2: major issues if you don't know how to balance the
[16:56] Speaker 2: emotional charge that comes with that, how do you handle
[17:00] Speaker 2: with your clients?
[17:02] Speaker 3: So again, talk about confidence building, right, right. Confidence is
[17:08] Speaker 3: something that a lot of athletes generally have within themselves.
[17:14] Speaker 3: But when they when they're winning, confidence is there. It's
[17:19] Speaker 3: a it's a building stage.
[17:20] Speaker 1: Sometimes the momentum in the game.
[17:22] Speaker 3: Right, it's the momentum, it's you know we're winning. You know,
[17:25] Speaker 3: the confidence, you know, the camaraderie or the team. But
[17:28] Speaker 3: let's take an individual sports such as tennis and boxing,
[17:31] Speaker 3: because I have I have some professional athletes some I'm
[17:34] Speaker 3: sure that you've heard about that that was winning and
[17:38] Speaker 3: had a record of forty wins and and uh you
[17:42] Speaker 3: know thirty nine knockouts, right, And so then all of
[17:46] Speaker 3: a sudden they lose. So so they lose not just
[17:50] Speaker 3: one fight, but then they lose a strict of three
[17:52] Speaker 3: or four fights, right, Because after the first loss, it
[17:55] Speaker 3: kind of take your confidence.
[17:57] Speaker 1: I can't believe.
[17:57] Speaker 3: It's kind of a shock, like you can't believe I love, right,
[18:00] Speaker 3: And then so you're really not really not thinking the
[18:05] Speaker 3: way that you used to think when you were winning.
[18:07] Speaker 3: So now you're taking those old thoughts that that had
[18:12] Speaker 3: you lose into the new situation. And then you're still
[18:15] Speaker 3: not accomplishing what you set out to do. And then
[18:18] Speaker 3: you sustain another law. So now all of these things
[18:21] Speaker 3: is beating at you. It seems like the world is
[18:24] Speaker 3: collapsing on a lot of times when you're going through this,
[18:26] Speaker 3: because one one thing leads to another that helped your
[18:30] Speaker 3: thoughts trickle down to a point of it becomes dark thoughts.
[18:33] Speaker 3: I want to be around nobody. I want to talk
[18:35] Speaker 3: to nobody. All the questions that being asked you now
[18:38] Speaker 3: is why did you lose that You're not prepare It's
[18:41] Speaker 3: not congratulations no more so now when you when you
[18:45] Speaker 3: have set your mind into all of the positive things,
[18:49] Speaker 3: then all of a sudden you got to deal with
[18:50] Speaker 3: these negative thoughts and these negative questions. Is is negative
[18:54] Speaker 3: rural around you? You know, it's hard to build your confidence.
[18:57] Speaker 3: So what I try to do is I try to
[18:58] Speaker 3: remind them of what got you to the point where
[19:02] Speaker 3: you were winning. Right, we need to get back to
[19:04] Speaker 3: that point, and we need to not only get back
[19:07] Speaker 3: to that point, but we need to make that point
[19:09] Speaker 3: a better point, because what people don't understand is greatness.
[19:13] Speaker 3: Once you reach the mountain of greatness, right, it's hard
[19:17] Speaker 3: to reach for a lot of people. A lot of
[19:18] Speaker 3: people haven't been to where these elite athletes has gone.
[19:22] Speaker 3: So I tell them, you something special, you dig deep
[19:26] Speaker 3: into you know, your special part of you? Right, go
[19:31] Speaker 3: back to who you know you are. Make yourself better.
[19:34] Speaker 3: Let's talk about the steps. Let's look at footage's look
[19:37] Speaker 3: at your greatness. Let's look at some of the things
[19:39] Speaker 3: that got you to where you need to be right
[19:42] Speaker 3: in order to sustain your greatness and make you better.
[19:45] Speaker 2: Right.
[19:46] Speaker 3: And when they start realizing that, yeah, doctor, right, you
[19:49] Speaker 3: know I am a great person. I do believe in
[19:52] Speaker 3: myself because because people who lose their confidence, it's not
[19:57] Speaker 3: a total loss, it's just set aside and they stop
[20:00] Speaker 3: questioning themselves more. And I start saying, don't question yourself.
[20:04] Speaker 3: Know again your purpose? Right, what your purpose is? Why
[20:09] Speaker 3: you hear? What do you need to do?
[20:11] Speaker 1: Right?
[20:11] Speaker 3: And then I've had to retire some people as well,
[20:14] Speaker 3: some people that think that they can still continue at
[20:18] Speaker 3: that levels. And I say, you know, let's just relook
[20:23] Speaker 3: at this, right. I never tell a person to quit,
[20:26] Speaker 3: always say let's relook at where you are in your
[20:30] Speaker 3: career and make let them make the decide how they
[20:35] Speaker 3: want to proceed with their career.
[20:36] Speaker 2: You know, I always think of it used the word
[20:38] Speaker 2: consistency when I hear somebody like you talk consistency about anything.
[20:42] Speaker 2: I always tell people in my life money through Friday.
[20:44] Speaker 2: I woke up at four thirty eight. That's my time.
[20:47] Speaker 2: It's not five Thursdays not six. If I charge altering
[20:51] Speaker 2: that get up time, it does impack my success story
[20:54] Speaker 2: for that day. And so anybody who has a career.
[20:57] Speaker 2: I look at careers when when you're in your twenties,
[20:59] Speaker 2: you don't see forty, you don't see fifty, definitely don't
[21:02] Speaker 2: see sixty. It's like when you look at forty, you
[21:05] Speaker 2: start to be able to look back and see what
[21:07] Speaker 2: have I done consistently that's kept me at forty. And
[21:10] Speaker 2: so when I hear individuals like you communicate with other
[21:14] Speaker 2: individuals where you're an athlete. If your business opens at eight,
[21:17] Speaker 2: it needs to open up at eight every day. It
[21:19] Speaker 2: can't open up a fifteen eight thirty. I'm tied. When
[21:22] Speaker 2: I get there, I open it. So that's the inconsistency
[21:25] Speaker 2: that you're talking about that athletes have to if they
[21:29] Speaker 2: train a certain way. Lebron is successful because he still
[21:33] Speaker 2: trains the same way. He carries a trainer with him
[21:36] Speaker 2: when he travels, they make his food, and so that's
[21:41] Speaker 2: the consistency.
[21:42] Speaker 1: So when they fall.
[21:43] Speaker 2: Off, because you're gonna fall off that track, you're gonna
[21:45] Speaker 2: get injured, you're gonna hurt. You're gonna have a relationship
[21:48] Speaker 2: that doesn't go the way you expect that.
[21:50] Speaker 1: You're gonna have a business deal that didn't go through.
[21:52] Speaker 2: You're gonna have an item that didn't sell like you
[21:55] Speaker 2: thought it was gonna sell.
[21:56] Speaker 1: You're gonna employ. You might up and quit on you because.
[22:00] Speaker 2: They saw that. They decided they don't want to work
[22:03] Speaker 2: in the morning. But thenybody want to get married, They
[22:05] Speaker 2: decided they might want to move. They may have nothing
[22:07] Speaker 2: to do with you, but you gotta be prepared. In
[22:10] Speaker 2: my office, I've always trained my staff. Somebody goes on vacation.
[22:16] Speaker 2: Guess what, somebody can do their work. Somebody sick, somebody
[22:19] Speaker 2: can do their work. And that's all you're saying when
[22:22] Speaker 2: you're talking about individuals. And now, I always like to
[22:25] Speaker 2: bring a story or a storyteller like you on my
[22:28] Speaker 2: show because people watch sports plays such an important role.
[22:33] Speaker 2: What you see on TV can translate to your everyday
[22:36] Speaker 2: life as a student, as a business owner, as a husband,
[22:39] Speaker 2: as a wife, as a parent.
[22:41] Speaker 1: Correct, listen, You're absolutely right.
[22:44] Speaker 3: And consistency is one of the things that I often
[22:48] Speaker 3: tell individuals when they ask me, well, how can I
[22:50] Speaker 3: get here? So one of the one of the biggest,
[22:53] Speaker 3: one of the biggest things. And I'm gonna ask you
[22:55] Speaker 3: this question. Have you ever seen a brinch truck behind
[22:59] Speaker 3: a funeral car?
[23:00] Speaker 1: Right right?
[23:01] Speaker 3: You understand because that's the because the funeral home is
[23:04] Speaker 3: there is the richest place in the rail I mean,
[23:06] Speaker 3: the graveyard is the richest place in the rail Because
[23:09] Speaker 3: people died with with multi million dollar dreams and ideas
[23:13] Speaker 3: because they don't know how to scale their businesses to
[23:16] Speaker 3: a point where it makes sense for them. It's a
[23:18] Speaker 3: great idea from the start, but then they get to
[23:20] Speaker 3: a point like that, well when do I do that?
[23:22] Speaker 3: And you're right, consistency and even consistency when you when
[23:27] Speaker 3: you're staying consistent, you got to make small changes right
[23:30] Speaker 3: of being able to adapt to certain situations because you know,
[23:34] Speaker 3: with the economy, the way it changes a lot of times,
[23:37] Speaker 3: you know you have to You can't just always figure well,
[23:41] Speaker 3: I'm gonna do the same thing I did last year.
[23:43] Speaker 3: You got to say, well, I'm gonna add little things
[23:44] Speaker 3: or make a little change. It's just like with an
[23:46] Speaker 3: athlete I got, for instance, this is a this is
[23:49] Speaker 3: a good example. I got a athlete right now that's
[23:53] Speaker 3: in the NFL, and he's probably going to end up
[23:56] Speaker 3: being a Rookie of the Year.
[23:57] Speaker 1: To be quite frank with you.
[23:58] Speaker 3: I believe he's going to be the real And I'm
[24:00] Speaker 3: never really wrong with a lot of my thinking. I'd
[24:02] Speaker 3: just like to say that, but I think he's going
[24:04] Speaker 3: to be the Rookie the Year. But he's had some
[24:07] Speaker 3: hard times this year because they wasn't winning to the
[24:13] Speaker 3: capacity in which he's used to winning right when he
[24:15] Speaker 3: was in college.
[24:16] Speaker 1: Right.
[24:17] Speaker 3: So I told the athlete, I said, listen, you got
[24:19] Speaker 3: to understand when you are an elite athlete and they
[24:22] Speaker 3: got expectations of you, you're going to go to the
[24:25] Speaker 3: worst team. The scenario of going to the best player
[24:29] Speaker 3: going to the worst team has always played out in
[24:32] Speaker 3: your case, right, So how do you stay strong? How
[24:35] Speaker 3: do you keep your confidence, keep knowing who you are,
[24:38] Speaker 3: because it takes time, first of all, to change the
[24:41] Speaker 3: whole concept of a team coacher, the great the culture
[24:44] Speaker 3: of a team. But they're looking for you to have
[24:47] Speaker 3: to institute some of that change and some of that
[24:49] Speaker 3: battle so they can get better. And knowing that you got,
[24:52] Speaker 3: you know, this big weight to carry on your shoulders,
[24:54] Speaker 3: you know, you got to walk your head up. You
[24:56] Speaker 3: got to always let them know what you're about. You
[24:58] Speaker 3: go out there and you give it your best, and
[25:00] Speaker 3: you understand it's a it's a learning process because now
[25:03] Speaker 3: you're playing with the best of the best.
[25:05] Speaker 2: In the world, right right, and the best of the
[25:07] Speaker 2: best is what life is about. If you want to
[25:09] Speaker 2: be able to compete with the best of the best,
[25:11] Speaker 2: work consistency. Doctor kurk Jones, I've been mentioning your academy,
[25:16] Speaker 2: Play twenty one Wellness Academy. How do we touch with
[25:19] Speaker 2: you as there a website, social media? Let's talk about that, right, yes,
[25:22] Speaker 2: absolutely so.
[25:24] Speaker 3: So you know you can always contact us at support
[25:27] Speaker 3: us UH support us P twenty one w a dot
[25:31] Speaker 3: org and you can always we have a website that's
[25:35] Speaker 3: you know, Play twenty one Wellness academy dot com. You
[25:39] Speaker 3: can always reach out to us and leave some information
[25:41] Speaker 3: if you want to reach us, if you if you're
[25:43] Speaker 3: looking to you know, come to some of our seminars.
[25:46] Speaker 3: We also, as I mentioned to you, Deontay Wilder, and
[25:49] Speaker 3: we have a wellcast, right And everybody says that like
[25:51] Speaker 3: a podcast. Yes, absolutely it's a podcast, but it's more
[25:54] Speaker 3: of a wellcast because the guests that we bring on
[25:56] Speaker 3: our shows, individuals like yourself, are people who we get
[26:00] Speaker 3: on there to kind of talk their backgrounds of mental wellness.
[26:03] Speaker 1: And health and how it's helped.
[26:05] Speaker 3: Them to get into a place of what they are
[26:09] Speaker 3: and the things that they had to deal with.
[26:11] Speaker 1: And so.
[26:13] Speaker 3: I would love to, you know, like I said, to
[26:15] Speaker 3: have people like yourself for and other individuals to come
[26:17] Speaker 3: out so that we can kind of help people understand
[26:20] Speaker 3: that you're not out here alone, that the things that
[26:23] Speaker 3: you talk about people can relate to. And I think
[26:26] Speaker 3: that's the most important factor and what it is that
[26:28] Speaker 3: I do and what we do is that people can
[26:31] Speaker 3: relate to the circumstances that you present in front of them,
[26:35] Speaker 3: because people are struggling now here right now.
[26:37] Speaker 1: I mean, it's a tough time.
[26:38] Speaker 2: And then COVID kind of kicked it off, and because
[26:42] Speaker 2: people got locked into their homes and they are with
[26:45] Speaker 2: individuals they didn't know, or isolation they didn't expect. And
[26:49] Speaker 2: now at least it has mental health in the forefront
[26:52] Speaker 2: of conversation, when it used to be like, hey, you know,
[26:56] Speaker 2: don't ask hotel in the mental health community. You know,
[26:59] Speaker 2: you know, success is really amazing, you know, Managi State
[27:02] Speaker 2: Hardy from twenty twenty sixteen, some of my clients and
[27:06] Speaker 2: Steven A. Smith, Keith Sweat, Cherry Shepherd, and just personally
[27:10] Speaker 2: myself being at the top of the food chain. That's
[27:14] Speaker 2: a certain pressure that comes with that, you know, and
[27:18] Speaker 2: some people don't understand that sometimes it's a lot more
[27:21] Speaker 2: far than climbing versus staying, because you're constantly not so
[27:26] Speaker 2: much personally under the attack, but mentally under attack because
[27:30] Speaker 2: the individuals or the world, there are certain levels of expectations.
[27:34] Speaker 2: In other words, Patrick Holmes, they expect him to know
[27:37] Speaker 2: a Super Bowl every year, and now they're looking at
[27:40] Speaker 2: it like he's the worst quarterback in the league, say
[27:42] Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey.
[27:44] Speaker 1: They act like he can't play tighty end no more.
[27:47] Speaker 2: You know, because that because people put expectations on you.
[27:50] Speaker 1: The wild part about it.
[27:52] Speaker 2: You accept those expectations, you know, and so success puts
[27:56] Speaker 2: that on you. You cannot, as a successful person, say
[28:00] Speaker 2: you don't want to win another super Bowl.
[28:02] Speaker 1: You say, I want to win a super Bowl. So
[28:04] Speaker 1: now you.
[28:04] Speaker 2: Actually locked down expectations that you may or may not
[28:08] Speaker 2: can't reach. How do you in dealing with your clowns
[28:12] Speaker 2: and entrepreneurs tell them to temper that, but not deter
[28:17] Speaker 2: to the model that they've created, which is success.
[28:20] Speaker 3: That is a great question, and I'm so glad you
[28:23] Speaker 3: asked that, And I'm going to put you into this
[28:25] Speaker 3: scenario with the people that you've mentioned. You're Steve Harvey's right,
[28:30] Speaker 3: you're Sherry Shepherd's stephen A. Smith's. Think about the people
[28:34] Speaker 3: that you and I have advised. They are the high class,
[28:38] Speaker 3: top athletes that think and know that they're great. Right,
[28:42] Speaker 3: So for us we have to know that we're great
[28:45] Speaker 3: as well. And only great people want to reach out
[28:49] Speaker 3: to have great people help them, because the work of
[28:53] Speaker 3: great people sometimes makes people reach back and say, listen,
[28:59] Speaker 3: I had somebody who put things in perspective for me
[29:03] Speaker 3: and now and I'm able to understand what this role
[29:07] Speaker 3: that I have to play is now, then I can
[29:10] Speaker 3: go back and I can help others. And I think
[29:12] Speaker 3: that that's important for people like yourself and I that
[29:15] Speaker 3: we've done because we brought their whole understanding of yes,
[29:19] Speaker 3: it's good to put yourself in the spotlight of greatness,
[29:23] Speaker 3: but how do you help other people become great like
[29:28] Speaker 3: you thought that you were sometime.
[29:30] Speaker 1: Or that you believe that you are?
[29:31] Speaker 3: And that's all you know, those cliche reach one, teach one,
[29:35] Speaker 3: you know, help one become great. And I think that's
[29:37] Speaker 3: the spotlight that a lot of people kind of don't understand,
[29:41] Speaker 3: is that when you're dealing with these type of people
[29:43] Speaker 3: that you and I talk to and we help out
[29:45] Speaker 3: every day, they coming to us with their worse situations,
[29:49] Speaker 3: right they're talking things to us that we have to
[29:52] Speaker 3: help them kind of decipher it through and pick and choose.
[29:56] Speaker 1: Is that important? That's why the shelving method is.
[29:58] Speaker 3: So important, because you know, when people say, well, how
[30:02] Speaker 3: do you go home?
[30:03] Speaker 1: How do you rest? I get that. I mean, you
[30:05] Speaker 1: know who's the person that you throw to, right who
[30:08] Speaker 1: we like to do.
[30:09] Speaker 3: So what I've learned to do, I know how to
[30:11] Speaker 3: separate what I do and who I am right, and
[30:15] Speaker 3: it helps me, you know, sustain out through the course
[30:19] Speaker 3: of my day, because if I'm preaching it, then I
[30:21] Speaker 3: have to believe it. Let's talk about relationship, doctor Kirch, okay,
[30:25] Speaker 3: because that's also a part of the process. You know,
[30:32] Speaker 3: you know, you're successful over here and sometimes you come
[30:36] Speaker 3: home and you solid tame. You know, don't communicate, don't
[30:41] Speaker 3: know how to communicate because you tie to communicate. How
[30:45] Speaker 3: do you balance that and how do you talk to
[30:48] Speaker 3: your clients or is that part of the communication that
[30:51] Speaker 3: you deal with with your clans their personal relationships. I
[30:54] Speaker 3: deal with all of that. And it's funny that you
[30:56] Speaker 3: mentioned that as you was asking me. You know, I
[30:59] Speaker 3: have sessions with not only a business professionals, but married couples.
[31:03] Speaker 3: I'm talking and I'm talking high class married couples, like
[31:06] Speaker 3: I have an orthopedic doctor and his wife who's also
[31:10] Speaker 3: a doctor as one of my clients, and so, uh,
[31:13] Speaker 3: they have a situation going on where it was just
[31:17] Speaker 3: you know, how do we balance the work, how do
[31:19] Speaker 3: we balance the home relationships? And we and we make
[31:23] Speaker 3: these things work at the house. So what I try
[31:26] Speaker 3: and understand, let people understand that you have to balance it.
[31:31] Speaker 3: It's like the fourth steps. Here's the thing that's force.
[31:35] Speaker 3: There's really four steps to life, right.
[31:38] Speaker 1: And you know this.
[31:38] Speaker 3: You know when you get fifty, they're like, oh you
[31:40] Speaker 3: half almost over. You're seventy five. You know you you
[31:43] Speaker 3: lucky to be this age. You get to one hundred,
[31:46] Speaker 3: you know you got less days of fun.
[31:48] Speaker 1: You you know how this go.
[31:50] Speaker 3: So so I tell people, you know that that balance
[31:52] Speaker 3: of life, like my four Shelvy methods, you got to
[31:55] Speaker 3: be able to leave work at work, come home and
[31:59] Speaker 3: focus on your your home life right. And then whatever
[32:02] Speaker 3: businesses that you gotta deal with outside of their home life.
[32:05] Speaker 3: You know you gotta you gotta, you know, balance these
[32:08] Speaker 3: things out. And a lot of times men and we
[32:11] Speaker 3: don't talk about men a little bit. Men we carry
[32:14] Speaker 3: a huge burden. We feel like we got so much
[32:17] Speaker 3: on our shoulders. We can't cry. We gotta be the
[32:19] Speaker 3: strength for everyone else, right, we got to just carry
[32:22] Speaker 3: the load. We got to pay the bills. And that's
[32:24] Speaker 3: a lot for some people. I get a lot of
[32:26] Speaker 3: my men, especially my professional men and high class athletes,
[32:30] Speaker 3: that say, man, this is a lot for me to carry, right,
[32:34] Speaker 3: But guess what it's walking in your purpose again, right, how.
[32:40] Speaker 1: Do you how do you carry this? Well?
[32:42] Speaker 3: You gotta balance it out and you got to understand it.
[32:45] Speaker 3: And once you understand it, then you you're better able
[32:48] Speaker 3: to deal with it. And that's why I'm good at
[32:49] Speaker 3: helping people try to understand why is this putting on
[32:53] Speaker 3: you your responsibilities, and how do we move forward as
[32:57] Speaker 3: we deal with these situations.
[32:58] Speaker 2: You know, the situations are when they are normal, you
[33:04] Speaker 2: accept it. In one of the situations, when they abnormal,
[33:07] Speaker 2: you kind of questioning. And like you mentioned athletes, you know,
[33:12] Speaker 2: they're supposed to be a certain way. That's why mental
[33:14] Speaker 2: health and athletes in the military, you don't want anybody
[33:17] Speaker 2: to say I'm stressing in their military leaders. You know,
[33:20] Speaker 2: you don't ever want the President of the United States
[33:23] Speaker 2: saying they go to a therapist.
[33:25] Speaker 1: You know, certain things you don't want to hear because.
[33:27] Speaker 2: And that's what stress comes in, because you can't be
[33:31] Speaker 2: normal in a way, you know, because in life can
[33:34] Speaker 2: force you in a position where you have to be
[33:37] Speaker 2: abnormal in a normal situation because you can't seek out help.
[33:43] Speaker 2: And so I always remember that in myself. You know,
[33:48] Speaker 2: you know, I'm under stress on the regular basis all
[33:50] Speaker 2: the time, all the time. And now I've learned to
[33:54] Speaker 2: balance it. Now that's not good. I've never had an ulcer.
[33:57] Speaker 1: You know.
[33:59] Speaker 2: I would tell this sir about my wife. She is
[34:01] Speaker 2: a what are you tired? And I tell her I'm
[34:03] Speaker 2: tired right down, you know. But I've learned to balance that.
[34:06] Speaker 2: I'm not telling anybody that's a good thing, you know.
[34:10] Speaker 2: But in life, in order to be successful, you're going
[34:14] Speaker 2: to have to set aside balance that You're going to
[34:19] Speaker 2: have to be uncomfortable to be comfortable.
[34:22] Speaker 1: That's right.
[34:23] Speaker 3: You gotta you, gotta you, you. You hit the neel
[34:26] Speaker 3: right on the head. And I tell people you can't
[34:29] Speaker 3: stay comfortable. And when you're when you're pursuing the gold
[34:32] Speaker 3: of dreaming and ambition, right, you have to get out
[34:34] Speaker 3: of your comfort zone. But you got to also know
[34:37] Speaker 3: how to pull yourself away from that discomfort and put
[34:41] Speaker 3: yourself in the comfort zone. A lot of people don't
[34:43] Speaker 3: know how to do that because it's like you say,
[34:45] Speaker 3: sometimes it's just work, work, Wake up?
[34:47] Speaker 1: What do I need to do? What I need to do?
[34:48] Speaker 1: What I need to do?
[34:49] Speaker 3: Well, when you realize that a lot of especially black men,
[34:54] Speaker 3: are are walking around with you know, heart murmurs and
[34:57] Speaker 3: and uh, you know high blood pressure. You know all
[35:01] Speaker 3: these things that's causing early death right because they carry
[35:05] Speaker 3: so much stress.
[35:06] Speaker 1: Right.
[35:07] Speaker 3: My first thing that I always would tell somebody when
[35:10] Speaker 3: it comes to your health and your wellness is to
[35:12] Speaker 3: go to your doctor. That's the first thing I always say.
[35:15] Speaker 3: Make sure that all your levels are good. Right, no
[35:18] Speaker 3: matter what capacity or work you're in, go to your
[35:21] Speaker 3: doctor and make sure that you know all your vital
[35:24] Speaker 3: signs are good. Because when I when I talk to
[35:27] Speaker 3: a lot of my players and I said, when the
[35:29] Speaker 3: last time you had a you know physical, they go
[35:32] Speaker 3: and you know a lot of athletes it's required for
[35:34] Speaker 3: them to have physicals. But like on a lot of
[35:36] Speaker 3: men be like, oh I'm good, No even women, go
[35:40] Speaker 3: see your doctor. And that's what we're going to start.
[35:43] Speaker 3: So like a person like yourself who's always on a goal,
[35:46] Speaker 3: who's you know, always working longer, if your vital signs
[35:50] Speaker 3: are good, then we start. Then then you know that
[35:52] Speaker 3: your body is good, and that's how you can kind
[35:54] Speaker 3: of start on this path of you know, ease men
[35:57] Speaker 3: and relaxation say to be able to continue, you but
[36:00] Speaker 3: then it has to be a goal for you also
[36:03] Speaker 3: like a hard working person that's used to working, like
[36:06] Speaker 3: yourself and Steve Harvey and all these athletes, what is
[36:09] Speaker 3: your ultimate goal, Like, what is it that you really
[36:12] Speaker 3: want to want to want to accomplish that you haven't accomplished, right,
[36:16] Speaker 3: so that you can kind of start easing out of
[36:19] Speaker 3: the tension of feeling like I'm always having to hustle.
[36:22] Speaker 3: And so once you feel like I found a you know,
[36:25] Speaker 3: I found a way to kind of, you know, push
[36:28] Speaker 3: away some of their stresses and I can now focus
[36:31] Speaker 3: on the merry life, right, the happy life, then I will,
[36:35] Speaker 3: I would say, focus on that. And then I often
[36:37] Speaker 3: tell my clients and my athletes to reward yourself. And
[36:42] Speaker 3: I'm gonna say to you, you probably don't give yourself
[36:46] Speaker 3: enough self reward. Self reward is great. See a lot
[36:49] Speaker 3: of people look for social media and all these people
[36:52] Speaker 3: to be out here giving them rewards. And you know, athletes,
[36:56] Speaker 3: you know and put it, but give it to yourself.
[36:59] Speaker 3: Give it to yourself because you've been able to put
[37:02] Speaker 3: yourself in a situation where you got trusted client tele
[37:07] Speaker 3: people with big names to say, brother Rassan, you are,
[37:11] Speaker 3: I believe in you, right, And that's a reward that
[37:13] Speaker 3: you have to give to yourself, and like I said,
[37:15] Speaker 3: a lot of us we don't reward ourselves.
[37:17] Speaker 2: As you close, doctor Kirk Jones, any platforms we missed
[37:21] Speaker 2: or any new books we need to bring out.
[37:23] Speaker 3: On Yes, actually I have a book. Well, I have
[37:26] Speaker 3: a book out now called Shitetown Blueprints that shown Yeah,
[37:30] Speaker 3: Shitetown Blueprints actually brought you a copy Shitetown Blueprints that
[37:36] Speaker 3: that's out now. You can you know, upload this in digital.
[37:39] Speaker 3: It's a hard soft back and it talks about my
[37:42] Speaker 3: story growing up in Chicago and how I became a
[37:45] Speaker 3: sports psychologist and the loss of my best friend Benji,
[37:49] Speaker 3: and how I'm helping out a lot of athletes and
[37:52] Speaker 3: other individuals. And I think it's a great story because
[37:54] Speaker 3: it talks about mental resilience and because we all got
[37:58] Speaker 3: a story that we want to tell and how do
[38:00] Speaker 3: we piece those stories together to make it work within
[38:03] Speaker 3: our purpose. And also I'm coming out with my workbook
[38:06] Speaker 3: it should be out soon about my shelving method that
[38:10] Speaker 3: you know, we're taking on the national stage with talking
[38:13] Speaker 3: to schools, colleges, university, HBCUs and doctors and lawyers to
[38:17] Speaker 3: help them kind of you know, stay focused and understand
[38:21] Speaker 3: what their purposes are.
[38:22] Speaker 1: Dorek Kirk one more time.
[38:23] Speaker 3: Your website it is P twenty one WA dot org,
[38:27] Speaker 3: and then it's play twenty one Wellness Academy dot dot com.
[38:31] Speaker 2: This has been Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashaun McDonald.
[38:36] Speaker 1: Thanks to I guess and our audience.
[38:38] Speaker 2: Visit Moneymaking Conversations dot com to listen and register to
[38:43] Speaker 2: be a guest.

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